About 18 months too late. He was the brains behind the two massive defeats on the deal he brought to Parliament. Name any other organisation than the Civil Service where you would still be in a job after such an unholy failure to perform.
Further proof that Brexit is a disaster and national humiliation.
The French are laughing at us.
That brexit metaphor gif of the guy trying to cross a plastic traffic wall and knocking the whole thing over in a great 100m-long cascade then trying to pick it up again has been showing up among unpolitical people in my Japanese twitter stream, laughing at brexit seems to have quite a lot of international traction at this point.
Interesting . This looks like the last chance for the deal and the final push to get MPs to agree . I expect May to resign after getting the extension and say a new leader needs to reset the negotiations .
But the Commons will at that point take over anyway. So end of Brexit.
If the below posts prove correct then the only thing now saving Brexit is Jeremy Corbyn. If he tables a No Confidence motion it will unite the Tories behind a new leader.
Utterly delusional. "If Britain leaves the European Union as planned on 29 March" . . . do the maths, that if is not going to happen!
At least I say I'm OK with Remain or an extension over May's deal. These guys are just insane.
It is really staggering that people can be elected to parliament and yet be sooo incredibly stupid. There really ought to be IQ and aptitude tests. After all companies use them and so do the civil service as part of selection criteria. Maybe Corbyn will not want it done retrospectively tho!!
It's possible for someone to be highly intelligent and also to subordinate their intelligence to self-interest, passion, pique, and peer pressure.
Indeed. A minority of them on both sides of the house are just plain old thickos though. It isn't good enough.
Utterly delusional. "If Britain leaves the European Union as planned on 29 March" . . . do the maths, that if is not going to happen!
At least I say I'm OK with Remain or an extension over May's deal. These guys are just insane.
It is really staggering that people can be elected to parliament and yet be sooo incredibly stupid. There really ought to be IQ and aptitude tests. After all companies use them and so do the civil service as part of selection criteria. Maybe Corbyn will not want it done retrospectively tho!!
It's possible for someone to be highly intelligent and also to subordinate their intelligence to self-interest, passion, pique, and peer pressure.
Indeed. A minority of them on both sides of the house are just plain old thickos though. It isn't good enough.
Well, the House ought to be representative of the Nation. Or so we are told!
Yes indeed. There are at least half the voting electorate (or about 37% of the total) that think we have had enough of experts. However, if I need a hip operation I think I might want to be sure the surgeon knows what she/he is doing. I'd also prefer MPs to have a reasonable ability to pass a logic test!
I am going into hospital on Thursday for an operation on my spine, and I have been telling myself that the surgeon’s done thousands of op’s, probably 100’s like this one, and anyway he won’t be working alone. See also my comment on Peter Bone's education.
Quite. What's he done wrong? The deal he negotiated is the one that the government insists is optimal.
The deal he negotiated is the one we've got. Nothing more.
Both sides of the House blew it a very loud rapsberry. The loudest ever heard in the Chamber.
The only thing really wrong with the deal was May's red lines. Given those, it's hard to see anyone doing any better. Still, it wouldn't be the first time a subordinate took the fall for her.
we can now call in the GFA need for parity of esteem and make 12 July a national holiday too
I'm sure a holiday in the middle if July would be more popular than one in the middle of March!
Im still trying to follow the logic of making Paddys day a UK wide holiday but not for George, Andy or Taffy. Seems odd.
Its already a holiday in Northern Ireland and the Scots get St Andrews (end of November) but nothing for the English (late April) or Welsh (1 March).
I suspect holidays in warmer weather might be more popular.....could take a leaf out of the former Soviet Union's book and celebrate the end of WWII on May 9th - already a public holiday in the Channel Islands...
Scots do not get St Andrews day as a holiday, usual whining from southerners spouting lies as ever about how they are hard done by rather than coddled at the expense of the rest of us..
If the below posts prove correct then the only thing now saving Brexit is Jeremy Corbyn. If he tables a No Confidence motion it will unite the Tories behind a new leader.
Further proof that Brexit is a disaster and national humiliation.
The French are laughing at us.
That brexit metaphor gif of the guy trying to cross a plastic traffic wall and knocking the whole thing over in a great 100m-long cascade then trying to pick it up again has been showing up among unpolitical people in my Japanese twitter stream, laughing at brexit seems to have quite a lot of international traction at this point.
“Roy, what the f*ck is going on in your country?” was how a co-worker greeted me the other morning...
Quite. What's he done wrong? The deal he negotiated is the one that the government insists is optimal.
The deal he negotiated is the one we've got. Nothing more.
Both sides of the House blew it a very loud rapsberry. The loudest ever heard in the Chamber.
The only thing really wrong with the deal was May's red lines. Given those, it's hard to see anyone doing any better. Still, it wouldn't be the first time a subordinate took the fall for her.
The red lines were entirely reasonable. The backstop is not.
If the below posts prove correct then the only thing now saving Brexit is Jeremy Corbyn. If he tables a No Confidence motion it will unite the Tories behind a new leader.
Which might be what he wants.
TIG and Lib Dems will not support a vonc
I know. I said, it's the one thing which will unite the Tories.
Interesting . This looks like the last chance for the deal and the final push to get MPs to agree . I expect May to resign after getting the extension and say a new leader needs to reset the negotiations .
Is that "expect" a "think she will" expect or a "think she should"? If it's "think she will", I think that would be out of character.
Utterly delusional. "If Britain leaves the European Union as planned on 29 March" . . . do the maths, that if is not going to happen!
At least I say I'm OK with Remain or an extension over May's deal. These guys are just insane.
It is really staggering that people can be elected to parliament and yet be sooo incredibly stupid. There really ought to be IQ and aptitude tests. After all companies use them and so do the civil service as part of selection criteria. Maybe Corbyn will not want it done retrospectively tho!!
It's possible for someone to be highly intelligent and also to subordinate their intelligence to self-interest, passion, pique, and peer pressure.
Indeed. A minority of them on both sides of the house are just plain old thickos though. It isn't good enough.
Well, the House ought to be representative of the Nation. Or so we are told!
Yes indeed. There are at least half the voting electorate (or about 37% of the total) that think we have had enough of experts. However, if I need a hip operation I think I might want to be sure the surgeon knows what she/he is doing. I'd also prefer MPs to have a reasonable ability to pass a logic test!
I am going into hospital on Thursday for an operation on my spine, and I have been telling myself that the surgeon’s done thousands of op’s, probably 100’s like this one, and anyway he won’t be working alone. See also my comment on Peter Bone's education.
Quite. What's he done wrong? The deal he negotiated is the one that the government insists is optimal.
The deal he negotiated is the one we've got. Nothing more.
Both sides of the House blew it a very loud rapsberry. The loudest ever heard in the Chamber.
The only thing really wrong with the deal was May's red lines. Given those, it's hard to see anyone doing any better. Still, it wouldn't be the first time a subordinate took the fall for her.
The red lines were entirely reasonable. The backstop is not.
The backstop issue came about because of her red lines .
About 18 months too late. He was the brains behind the two massive defeats on the deal he brought to Parliament. Name any other organisation than the Civil Service where you would still be in a job after such an unholy failure to perform.
Theresa May brought it to Parliament. Twice.
The rest of the post I agree with, but the buck stops with May not her subordinate. She should go.
we can now call in the GFA need for parity of esteem and make 12 July a national holiday too
I'm sure a holiday in the middle if July would be more popular than one in the middle of March!
Im still trying to follow the logic of making Paddys day a UK wide holiday but not for George, Andy or Taffy. Seems odd.
Its already a holiday in Northern Ireland and the Scots get St Andrews (end of November) but nothing for the English (late April) or Welsh (1 March).
I suspect holidays in warmer weather might be more popular.....could take a leaf out of the former Soviet Union's book and celebrate the end of WWII on May 9th - already a public holiday in the Channel Islands...
Scots do not get St Andrews day as a holiday, usual whining from southerners spouting lies as ever about how they are hard done by rather than coddled at the expense of the rest of us..
Says here they do - 30 November (or 2 December if 30 November falls on a weekend). Are you actually Scottish?
Interesting . This looks like the last chance for the deal and the final push to get MPs to agree . I expect May to resign after getting the extension and say a new leader needs to reset the negotiations .
Good. Lets do that then. Full leadership contest going to the members to replace her.
Quite. What's he done wrong? The deal he negotiated is the one that the government insists is optimal.
The deal he negotiated is the one we've got. Nothing more.
Both sides of the House blew it a very loud rapsberry. The loudest ever heard in the Chamber.
The only thing really wrong with the deal was May's red lines. Given those, it's hard to see anyone doing any better. Still, it wouldn't be the first time a subordinate took the fall for her.
The red lines were entirely reasonable. The backstop is not.
The backstop issue came about because of her red lines .
No it did not. None of her red lines required the backstop. There are a plethora of nations which trade with the EU honouring her red lines.
I guess the EU will grant an extension of an unspecified length with review points, every 6 months say. There is no reasonable hope of this UK parliament being able to settle on any form of withdrawal deal.
Wow, the resort to Ad Hominem. If only you knew ... but I'll keep my powder dry.
I envisage a more informed debate and vote in which various options, perhaps with AV - STV - is in place.
So not a repeat. At all.
Mind you, not that this would be a bad thing anyway. Your argument is like saying that because Clem Attlee won a landslide in 1945 we should still have a massive Labour majority. Part of the art of democracy is enabling litmus tests of public mood. Clearly much has altered in the last three years.
To be frank, your intransigence about offering the deal back to the public demonstrates to me that you've lost the argument and, with it, the public.
Ad hominem in response to Ad hominem. So you have no cause to moan.
And no, again you show you idiocy. When we elect MPs they go into office. The result of the election is respected. We then have a system whereby after a period of time we re-elect them or not.
What you are saying is that if, for example, a few more people had voted for Labour MPs at the last election as a means of limiting May's majority (as lots of people seem to claim was the reason) and we had happened to get a Corbyn majority, we should have immediately had another election before he took office because we hadn't actually wanted Corbyn to win.
Of course that is not how the system does or should work. If the public are asked a question in a vote they have every right to expect that the result of that vote will be respected. Otherwise how are they to believe that democracy has any value at all?
Except the system for electing MPs does allow for recall votes in some circumstances...
If sufficient people feel that their leave vote was a result of being lied to, and they deeply regret it, then one might make a case that forcing them to 'respect' the result of that vote is equally toxic to their view of democracy.
Nope. There is no recall mechanism for an MP just because the electorate didn't like the result of the election or thought they had been lied to. And certainly none that would be enacted before the MP had taken their seat.
Utterly delusional. "If Britain leaves the European Union as planned on 29 March" . . . do the maths, that if is not going to happen!
At least I say I'm OK with Remain or an extension over May's deal. These guys are just insane.
It is really staggering that people can be elected to parliament and yet be sooo incredibly stupid. There really ought to be IQ and aptitude tests. After all companies use them and so do the civil service as part of selection criteria. Maybe Corbyn will not want it done retrospectively tho!!
It's possible for someone to be highly intelligent and also to subordinate their intelligence to self-interest, passion, pique, and peer pressure.
Indeed. A minority of them on both sides of the house are just plain old thickos though. It isn't good enough.
Well, the House ought to be representative of the Nation. Or so we are told!
Yes indeed. There are at least half the voting electorate (or about 37% of the total) that think we have had enough of experts. However, if I need a hip operation I think I might want to be sure the surgeon knows what she/he is doing. I'd also prefer MPs to have a reasonable ability to pass a logic test!
I am going into hospital on Thursday for an operation on my spine, and I have been telling myself that the surgeon’s done thousands of op’s, probably 100’s like this one, and anyway he won’t be working alone. See also my comment on Peter Bone's education.
I guess the EU will grant an extension of an unspecified length with review points, every 6 months say. There is no reasonable hope of this UK parliament being able to settle on any form of withdrawal deal.
And of course UK would be a full member requiring participation in EU elections next month and full EU involvement. Any restriction by the EU would lead to ECJ challenges
I guess the EU will grant an extension of an unspecified length with review points, every 6 months say. There is no reasonable hope of this UK parliament being able to settle on any form of withdrawal deal.
And of course UK would be a full member requiring participation in EU elections next month and full EU involvement. Any restriction by the EU would lead to ECJ challenges
If you find that something hinges on the DUP, that's our constitutions little way of telling you the something has gone badly wrong and you need to think again.
Can we please just cut the crap, get a decent extension, ditch May and try another approach.
If the below posts prove correct then the only thing now saving Brexit is Jeremy Corbyn. If he tables a No Confidence motion it will unite the Tories behind a new leader.
Which might be what he wants.
TIG and Lib Dems will not support a vonc
TIG- probably not. Lib Dems I'm not so sure, especially if Labour have voted in favour of a 2nd ref by that point
If you find that something hinges on the DUP, that's our constitutions little way of telling you the something has gone badly wrong and you need to think again.
Can we please just cut the crap, get a decent extension, ditch May and try another approach.
I think you'll find thats how the system works in parliament, in a no single party majority you depend on minor parties.
I guess the EU will grant an extension of an unspecified length with review points, every 6 months say. There is no reasonable hope of this UK parliament being able to settle on any form of withdrawal deal.
And of course UK would be a full member requiring participation in EU elections next month and full EU involvement. Any restriction by the EU would lead to ECJ challenges
The UK's participating in next month's EU elections would be quite a hoot. I wonder if the Leavers will urge some kind of boycott, so that the result can be easily discredited.
Utterly delusional. "If Britain leaves the European Union as planned on 29 March" . . . do the maths, that if is not going to happen!
At least I say I'm OK with Remain or an extension over May's deal. These guys are just insane.
It is really staggering that people can be elected to parliament and yet be sooo incredibly stupid. There really ought to be IQ and aptitude tests. After all companies use them and so do the civil service as part of selection criteria. Maybe Corbyn will not want it done retrospectively tho!!
It's possible for someone to be highly intelligent and also to subordinate their intelligence to self-interest, passion, pique, and peer pressure.
Indeed. A minority of them on both sides of the house are just plain old thickos though. It isn't good enough.
Well, the House ought to be representative of the Nation. Or so we are told!
Yes indeed. There are at least half the voting electorate (or about 37% of the total) that think we have had enough of experts. However, if I need a hip operation I think I might want to be sure the surgeon knows what she/he is doing. I'd also prefer MPs to have a reasonable ability to pass a logic test!
I am going into hospital on Thursday for an operation on my spine, and I have been telling myself that the surgeon’s done thousands of op’s, probably 100’s like this one, and anyway he won’t be working alone. See also my comment on Peter Bone's education.
He still hasn't worked out that Parliament does not have a majority in favour of No Deal.
Does it need a majority when No Deal on the 29th of March is the law?
It does, if the government requests, and is granted an extension?
Yes because TMay's (unilateral if need be) asking for an extension would be complying with Parliament's instruction not to have no deal.
Now, things become interesting if the EU says No. But, I don't think that's probable.
Yes, it means the PM would have to pull the revoke lever.
She'd probably try another MV. Which would be interesting because a lot of the ERG would swing back into the No column, and she'd be trying to pitch to Remainers/Soft Brexiters. But how to convince the Remainers that she wouldn't fall back to a 2nd ref or revoke as her next option?
we can now call in the GFA need for parity of esteem and make 12 July a national holiday too
I'm sure a holiday in the middle if July would be more popular than one in the middle of March!
Im still trying to follow the logic of making Paddys day a UK wide holiday but not for George, Andy or Taffy. Seems odd.
Its already a holiday in Northern Ireland and the Scots get St Andrews (end of November) but nothing for the English (late April) or Welsh (1 March).
I suspect holidays in warmer weather might be more popular.....could take a leaf out of the former Soviet Union's book and celebrate the end of WWII on May 9th - already a public holiday in the Channel Islands...
Scots do not get St Andrews day as a holiday, usual whining from southerners spouting lies as ever about how they are hard done by rather than coddled at the expense of the rest of us..
Says here they do - 30 November (or 2 December if 30 November falls on a weekend). Are you actually Scottish?
Yes you turnip and given I live in Scotland and do not know anyone who gets it as a holiday , I am a bit of an expert. May be a few coddled public service workers get it but not the majority of workers for certain. St Andrew's Day: 30 November
St Andrew's Day was declared a bank holiday by the Scottish Parliament in 2006, although banks are not required to close if they do not wish to. If 30 November occurs on a weekend, the bank holiday is moved to the following Monday.
Employers are not required by law to give employees a holiday on the St Andrew's Day bank holiday.
If you find that something hinges on the DUP, that's our constitutions little way of telling you the something has gone badly wrong and you need to think again.
Can we please just cut the crap, get a decent extension, ditch May and try another approach.
I think you'll find thats how the system works in parliament, in a no single party majority you depend on minor parties.
Yes nasty Tories bribing a bunch of nutters, great system.
we can now call in the GFA need for parity of esteem and make 12 July a national holiday too
I'm sure a holiday in the middle if July would be more popular than one in the middle of March!
Im still trying to follow the logic of making Paddys day a UK wide holiday but not for George, Andy or Taffy. Seems odd.
Its already a holiday in Northern Ireland and the Scots get St Andrews (end of November) but nothing for the English (late April) or Welsh (1 March).
I suspect holidays in warmer weather might be more popular.....could take a leaf out of the former Soviet Union's book and celebrate the end of WWII on May 9th - already a public holiday in the Channel Islands...
Scots do not get St Andrews day as a holiday, usual whining from southerners spouting lies as ever about how they are hard done by rather than coddled at the expense of the rest of us..
Says here they do - 30 November (or 2 December if 30 November falls on a weekend). Are you actually Scottish?
Yes you turnip and given I live in Scotland and do not know anyone who gets it as a holiday , I am a bit of an expert. May be a few coddled public service workers get it but not the majority of workers for certain.
YouGov, Survation and Opinium have all shown a swing back towards Labour in the last few days (though still significant leads for the Tories in all but Survation!). Wonder if that's a reaction to latest news events or the TIG effect wearing off. Would be interesting to get a few more polls where TIG are explicitly mentioned as an option.
If true, that is hugely unfair. He is a civil servant. She is the PM. She should take responsibility. Little wonder she can't create or keep a team if that is how she treats those who work for her.
If you find that something hinges on the DUP, that's our constitutions little way of telling you the something has gone badly wrong and you need to think again.
Can we please just cut the crap, get a decent extension, ditch May and try another approach.
I think you'll find thats how the system works in parliament, in a no single party majority you depend on minor parties.
Yes nasty Tories bribing a bunch of nutters, great system.
Wow. How long is long? We're surely talking about a year to eighteen months here.
Well, 8 months to get rid of May, then time for the new PM to start over.....
Extremely doubtful May survives 8 months. If there's a long extension she'll struggle in reality to stay hours past signing the extension into law.
Even if the MV passes I think May will face heavy pressure from the Cabinet and ERG to go immediately.
But I agree if there is a long extension we will be into an early Tory leadership contest and, depending on the outcome, a general election could follow.
Can we please just cut the crap, get a decent extension, ditch May and try another approach.
Honestly, what difference would it make? The hardcore ERG won't vote for anything short of a 100% break from the EU. Corbyn won't vote for anything the Tories propose, regardless of the damage caused.
That doesn't leave much of an overlap to get anything passed.
I guess the EU will grant an extension of an unspecified length with review points, every 6 months say. There is no reasonable hope of this UK parliament being able to settle on any form of withdrawal deal.
And of course UK would be a full member requiring participation in EU elections next month and full EU involvement. Any restriction by the EU would lead to ECJ challenges
The UK's participating in next month's EU elections would be quite a hoot. I wonder if the Leavers will urge some kind of boycott, so that the result can be easily discredited.
YouGov, Survation and Opinium have all shown a swing back towards Labour in the last few days (though still significant leads for the Tories in all but Survation!). Wonder if that's a reaction to latest news events or the TIG effect wearing off. Would be interesting to get a few more polls where TIG are explicitly mentioned as an option.
Actually, in all cases it's been reductions in Con numbers driving it, not increases in Lab. So probably not due to TIGgers switching back to Lab.
Could also just be random noise, but very similar swings in 3 polls.
For those that are interested, here are 37 Conservative MPs who I currently expect to vote against any revival of the meaningful vote (the first 31 are ERGonauts, the next six are from the Remain wing of the party):
Adam Afriyie (Windsor) Lucy Allan (Telford) Steve Baker (Wycombe) Crispin Blunt (Reigate) Peter Bone (Wellingborough) Andrew Bridgen (North West Leicestershire) Conor Burns (Bournemouth West) Christopher Chope (Christchurch) Richard Drax (South Dorset) James Duddridge (Rochford and Southend East) Mark Francois (Rayleigh and Wickford) Marcus Fysh (Yeovil) Chris Green (Bolton West) Philip Hollobone (Kettering) Adam Holloway (Gravesham) Ranil Jayawardena (North East Hampshire) Andrea Jenkyns (Morley and Outwood) Boris Johnson (Uxbridge and South Ruislip) David Jones (Clwyd West) Julian Lewis (New Forest East) Craig Mackinlay (South Thanet) Sheryll Murray (South East Cornwall) Priti Patel (Witham) Owen Paterson (North Shropshire) John Redwood (Wokingham) Andrew Rosindell (Romford) Henry Smith (Crawley) Royston Smith (Southampton Itchen) Ross Thomson (Aberdeen South) Michael Tomlinson (Mid Dorset and North Poole) Anne-Marie Trevelyan (Berwick-upon-Tweed)
Guto Bebb (Aberconwy) Justine Greening (Putney) Dominic Grieve (Beaconsfield) Sam Gyimah (East Surrey) Joseph Johnson (Orpington) Phillip Lee (Bracknell)
Notable omissions include Bill Cash, John Baron, Dominic Raab and Bernard Jenkin, all of whom have been quiet recently so far as I can tell.
That seems about right, save that I think Lucy Allan has switched.
If true, that is hugely unfair. He is a civil servant. She is the PM. She should take responsibility. Little wonder she can't create or keep a team if that is how she treats those who work for her.
The point is, he is overseen one negotiation, the outcome of which has been disastrously badly received. He can't be within a hundred miles of the REALLY important negotiations on the trade arrangements.
we can now call in the GFA need for parity of esteem and make 12 July a national holiday too
I'm sure a holiday in the middle if July would be more popular than one in the middle of March!
Im still trying to follow the logic of making Paddys day a UK wide holiday but not for George, Andy or Taffy. Seems odd.
Its already a holiday in Northern Ireland and the Scots get St Andrews (end of November) but nothing for the English (late April) or Welsh (1 March).
I suspect holidays in warmer weather might be more popular.....could take a leaf out of the former Soviet Union's book and celebrate the end of WWII on May 9th - already a public holiday in the Channel Islands...
Scots do not get St Andrews day as a holiday, usual whining from southerners spouting lies as ever about how they are hard done by rather than coddled at the expense of the rest of us..
Says here they do - 30 November (or 2 December if 30 November falls on a weekend). Are you actually Scottish?
Yes you turnip and given I live in Scotland and do not know anyone who gets it as a holiday , I am a bit of an expert. May be a few coddled public service workers get it but not the majority of workers for certain.
Fair enough.
It is just a con , as per my PS, it is voluntary for banks and employers so just symbolic rubbish. I doubt anyone other than some public sector workers , if at all get it.
If you find that something hinges on the DUP, that's our constitutions little way of telling you the something has gone badly wrong and you need to think again.
Can we please just cut the crap, get a decent extension, ditch May and try another approach.
I think you'll find thats how the system works in parliament, in a no single party majority you depend on minor parties.
Yes nasty Tories bribing a bunch of nutters, great system.
I haven't bribed anyone Malc
Of course not G, I am just in a ranting mood today.
If true, that is hugely unfair. He is a civil servant. She is the PM. She should take responsibility. Little wonder she can't create or keep a team if that is how she treats those who work for her.
Quite. What is distasteful to me is the "No 10 is telling MPs that .. " bit. She should not be doing this as a sacrificial offer in a bargaining game with her MPs.
Utterly delusional. "If Britain leaves the European Union as planned on 29 March" . . . do the maths, that if is not going to happen!
At least I say I'm OK with Remain or an extension over May's deal. These guys are just insane.
It is really staggering that people can be elected to parliament and yet be sooo incredibly stupid. There really ought to be IQ and aptitude tests. After all companies use them and so do the civil service as part of selection criteria. Maybe Corbyn will not want it done retrospectively tho!!
It's possible for someone to be highly intelligent and also to subordinate their intelligence to self-interest, passion, pique, and peer pressure.
Indeed. A minority of them on both sides of the house are just plain old thickos though. It isn't good enough.
Well, the House ought to be representative of the Nation. Or so we are told!
Yes indeed. There are at least half the voting electorate (or about 37% of the total) that think we have had enough of experts. However, if I need a hip operation I think I might want to be sure the surgeon knows what she/he is doing. I'd also prefer MPs to have a reasonable ability to pass a logic test!
I am going into hospital on Thursday for an operation on my spine,
we can now call in the GFA need for parity of esteem and make 12 July a national holiday too
I'm sure a holiday in the middle if July would be more popular than one in the middle of March!
Im still trying to follow the logic of making Paddys day a UK wide holiday but not for George, Andy or Taffy. Seems odd.
Its already a holiday in Northern Ireland and the Scots get St Andrews (end of November) but nothing for the English (late April) or Welsh (1 March).
I suspect holidays in warmer weather might be more popular.....could take a leaf out of the former Soviet Union's book and celebrate the end of WWII on May 9th - already a public holiday in the Channel Islands...
Scots do not get St Andrews day as a holiday, usual whining from southerners spouting lies as ever about how they are hard done by rather than coddled at the expense of the rest of us..
Says here they do - 30 November (or 2 December if 30 November falls on a weekend). Are you actually Scottish?
Yes you turnip and given I live in Scotland and do not know anyone who gets it as a holiday , I am a bit of an expert. May be a few coddled public service workers get it but not the majority of workers for certain.
If true, that is hugely unfair. He is a civil servant. She is the PM. She should take responsibility. Little wonder she can't create or keep a team if that is how she treats those who work for her.
Quite. What is distasteful to me is the "No 10 is telling MPs that .. " bit. She should not be doing this as a sacrificial offer in a bargaining game with her MPs.
She did the same with her advisors after the GE, did she not. What happened to Harry Truman's 'Buck stops Here" desk notice?
If true, that is hugely unfair. He is a civil servant. She is the PM. She should take responsibility. Little wonder she can't create or keep a team if that is how she treats those who work for her.
Quite. What is distasteful to me is the "No 10 is telling MPs that .. " bit. She should not be doing this as a sacrificial offer in a bargaining game with her MPs.
Fits her profile perfectly, no principles and out only for herself. She would throw her granny under a bus just as easily.
If true, that is hugely unfair. He is a civil servant. She is the PM. She should take responsibility. Little wonder she can't create or keep a team if that is how she treats those who work for her.
The point is, he is overseen one negotiation, the outcome of which has been disastrously badly received. He can't be within a hundred miles of the REALLY important negotiations on the trade arrangements.
The corollary of this is that neither can the PM.
It was the PM that oversaw the negotiation, Robins was merely the mouthpiece. If it is true that he is being sacked then that is outrageous and transparently unfair. A fact that will not go unnoticed by other civil servants on whom the government relies.
If true, that is hugely unfair. He is a civil servant. She is the PM. She should take responsibility. Little wonder she can't create or keep a team if that is how she treats those who work for her.
Quite. What is distasteful to me is the "No 10 is telling MPs that .. " bit. She should not be doing this as a sacrificial offer in a bargaining game with her MPs.
I know he isn't liked amongst leavers, but he got an agreement to his brief. I doubt he'll have employability issues going forward. Being used as a negotiating pawn like this also sounds like a cut/shut unfair/constructive dismissal case. So I think he'll be fine.
If true, that is hugely unfair. He is a civil servant. She is the PM. She should take responsibility. Little wonder she can't create or keep a team if that is how she treats those who work for her.
The point is, he is overseen one negotiation, the outcome of which has been disastrously badly received. He can't be within a hundred miles of the REALLY important negotiations on the trade arrangements.
The corollary of this is that neither can the PM.
It’s “disastrously badly received” because the lies, loud and repeated from leavers have been accepted as truth by enough gullible fools. There’s no easy solution but people like Johnson, like The Telegraph, like Mogg continue to express those lies without remorse. I hope they suffer in this life and rot in hell (or in the case of the Telegaph, wither and die). It would be deserved.
For those that are interested, here are 37 Conservative MPs who I currently expect to vote against any revival of the meaningful vote (the first 31 are ERGonauts, the next six are from the Remain wing of the party):
Adam Afriyie (Windsor) Lucy Allan (Telford) Steve Baker (Wycombe) Crispin Blunt (Reigate) Peter Bone (Wellingborough) Andrew Bridgen (North West Leicestershire) Conor Burns (Bournemouth West) Christopher Chope (Christchurch) Richard Drax (South Dorset) James Duddridge (Rochford and Southend East) Mark Francois (Rayleigh and Wickford) Marcus Fysh (Yeovil) Chris Green (Bolton West) Philip Hollobone (Kettering) Adam Holloway (Gravesham) Ranil Jayawardena (North East Hampshire) Andrea Jenkyns (Morley and Outwood) Boris Johnson (Uxbridge and South Ruislip) David Jones (Clwyd West) Julian Lewis (New Forest East) Craig Mackinlay (South Thanet) Sheryll Murray (South East Cornwall) Priti Patel (Witham) Owen Paterson (North Shropshire) John Redwood (Wokingham) Andrew Rosindell (Romford) Henry Smith (Crawley) Royston Smith (Southampton Itchen) Ross Thomson (Aberdeen South) Michael Tomlinson (Mid Dorset and North Poole) Anne-Marie Trevelyan (Berwick-upon-Tweed)
Guto Bebb (Aberconwy) Justine Greening (Putney) Dominic Grieve (Beaconsfield) Sam Gyimah (East Surrey) Joseph Johnson (Orpington) Phillip Lee (Bracknell)
Notable omissions include Bill Cash, John Baron, Dominic Raab and Bernard Jenkin, all of whom have been quiet recently so far as I can tell.
That seems about right, save that I think Lucy Allan has switched.
Possibly Chris Green too.
What happens to the real arithmetic if the Telegraph signatories all abstain?
we can now call in the GFA need for parity of esteem and make 12 July a national holiday too
I'm sure a holiday in the middle if July would be more popular than one in the middle of March!
Im still trying to follow the logic of making Paddys day a UK wide holiday but not for George, Andy or Taffy. Seems odd.
Its already a holiday in Northern Ireland and the Scots get St Andrews (end of November) but nothing for the English (late April) or Welsh (1 March).
I suspect holidays in warmer weather might be more popular.....could take a leaf out of the former Soviet Union's book and celebrate the end of WWII on May 9th - already a public holiday in the Channel Islands...
Scots do not get St Andrews day as a holiday, usual whining from southerners spouting lies as ever about how they are hard done by rather than coddled at the expense of the rest of us..
Says here they do - 30 November (or 2 December if 30 November falls on a weekend). Are you actually Scottish?
Yes you turnip and given I live in Scotland and do not know anyone who gets it as a holiday , I am a bit of an expert. May be a few coddled public service workers get it but not the majority of workers for certain.
Fair enough.
Apologies for being rude to you.
Not at all - if we can't have robust exchanges of opinion on here then where?
Hearing via a CCHQ insider that there will be a Euro Election announcement Friday after her trip to Brussels all things being equal and there is no movement. Expect the Tory list to be reinstated as before which will upset many many people.
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https://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/434482-orourke-raises-61m-on-campaigns-first-day-exceeding-all-rivals
Oh and drinks are on @williamglenn
Good riddance.
Both sides of the House blew it a very loud rapsberry. The loudest ever heard in the Chamber.
Which might be what he wants.
https://petition.parliament.uk/petitions/235138
See also my comment on Peter Bone's education.
So I agree with you about experts.
Still, it wouldn't be the first time a subordinate took the fall for her.
The rest of the post I agree with, but the buck stops with May not her subordinate. She should go.
https://www.gov.scot/publications/bank-holidays/
Tis the EU way.
Can we please just cut the crap, get a decent extension, ditch May and try another approach.
https://twitter.com/britainelects/status/1107617916755808256?s=19
https://twitter.com/britainelects/status/1107617974943399936?s=19
St Andrew's Day: 30 November
St Andrew's Day was declared a bank holiday by the Scottish Parliament in 2006, although banks are not required to close if they do not wish to. If 30 November occurs on a weekend, the bank holiday is moved to the following Monday.
Employers are not required by law to give employees a holiday on the St Andrew's Day bank holiday.
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But I agree if there is a long extension we will be into an early Tory leadership contest and, depending on the outcome, a general election could follow.
Honestly, what difference would it make? The hardcore ERG won't vote for anything short of a 100% break from the EU. Corbyn won't vote for anything the Tories propose, regardless of the damage caused.
That doesn't leave much of an overlap to get anything passed.
Could also just be random noise, but very similar swings in 3 polls.
The corollary of this is that neither can the PM.
Good luck!
https://www.peterboroughtoday.co.uk/news/politics/everything-you-need-to-know-about-the-recall-petition-to-remove-peterborough-mp-fiona-onasanya-from-dates-times-and-when-we-could-have-a-by-election-1-8853287
That balloon Robinson was among the worst of them.
https://www.thenational.scot/news/17507633.bbc-journalists-were-out-to-prove-yes-vote-was-foolish-during-indyref/
Expect the Tory list to be reinstated as before which will upset many many people.