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Unlike the Tories, who charge thousands of pounds to go pheasant shooting with their ministers, a Labour government will never be bought off by the rich and powerful.https://t.co/mFBYHGTSK2
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Oh, it's the annual pretend outrage that the Tories hold a fancy fundraiser time is it? Cool, always good for a laugh at the formulaic, manufactured nature of it. Then we can get onto the Tories' turn to get pretend outraged about something.
Has Crick interviewed May though, I cannot recall.0 -
Plenty that is muck is great. Though coke is best with the pizza left over from the night before.Cyclefree said:
Is he or she Neapolitan? If not, ignore the rubbish they are telling you. A beer is OK. Coca Cola is muck, fit only to get the rust off metal garden chairs.AlastairMeeks said:Pizza requires beer, my very dogmatic Italian source insists.
Or Coca Cola.
You'd have to be mad to want to pour it inside you.0 -
If you've seen what it does to rust.... I certainly wouldn't want it doing the same thing to my intestines.kle4 said:
Plenty that is muck is great. Though coke is best with the pizza left over from the night before.Cyclefree said:
Is he or she Neapolitan? If not, ignore the rubbish they are telling you. A beer is OK. Coca Cola is muck, fit only to get the rust off metal garden chairs.AlastairMeeks said:Pizza requires beer, my very dogmatic Italian source insists.
Or Coca Cola.
You'd have to be mad to want to pour it inside you.
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Eh, there's a lot of crap in there already.Cyclefree said:
If you've seen what it does to rust.... I certainly wouldn't want it doing the same thing to my intestines.kle4 said:
Plenty that is muck is great. Though coke is best with the pizza left over from the night before.Cyclefree said:
Is he or she Neapolitan? If not, ignore the rubbish they are telling you. A beer is OK. Coca Cola is muck, fit only to get the rust off metal garden chairs.AlastairMeeks said:Pizza requires beer, my very dogmatic Italian source insists.
Or Coca Cola.
You'd have to be mad to want to pour it inside you.0 -
Does the money from the unions not count then?
Or is Labour saying that unions aren't powerful or aren't rich?0 -
Shouldn’t those Labour tweets talk about shekels?0
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Wrong bit of the anatomy. There's food in my stomach and intestines. The crap is elsewhere.kle4 said:
Eh, there's a lot of crap in there already.Cyclefree said:
If you've seen what it does to rust.... I certainly wouldn't want it doing the same thing to my intestines.kle4 said:
Plenty that is muck is great. Though coke is best with the pizza left over from the night before.Cyclefree said:
Is he or she Neapolitan? If not, ignore the rubbish they are telling you. A beer is OK. Coca Cola is muck, fit only to get the rust off metal garden chairs.AlastairMeeks said:Pizza requires beer, my very dogmatic Italian source insists.
Or Coca Cola.
You'd have to be mad to want to pour it inside you.
(I feel this discussion has now reached a cul de sac. Or un cul, certainly.)0 -
Why not? It's money. And it gets the unions access and a voice in Labour Party policy making.kle4 said:
While I do think the union funding is worthy of note, in fairness it is not quite the same thing.Cyclefree said:Does the money from the unions not count then?
Or is Labour saying that unions aren't powerful or aren't rich?0 -
Oh god....
England have dropped wicketkeeper Ben Foakes and recalled Keaton Jennings for the final Test against West Indies, which begins on Saturday.0 -
Corbyn is such a normal bloke, down to Earth, grounded and balanced. Not an ideological lifelong politico who sees causes not people.0
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I'm not sure why the England selectors persist in selecting Keaton Jennings.FrancisUrquhart said:Oh god....
England have dropped wicketkeeper Ben Foakes and recalled Keaton Jennings for the final Test against West Indies, which begins on Saturday.0 -
I don't know why political parties cannot do the transparent thing of selling honours in an auction.
It would be amusing to see who would bid for instance to be duke of Upper Ramsbottom in Lancashire for instance!
The whole honours system is a complete joke anyway. Very few of the honours at higher levels are given for actual contributions to society, quite often an individual is awarded some honour for doing a job many others could do to the same ability.
Peerages and the like seem to be awarded not on merit but which PC correctness or political goal they address. Personally, I think the House of Lords should be abolished, some peers have their place in the Lords simply due to the hereditary principle still being active for F -sake! Others, have simply bought their way in because they have been lucky in life. It has no natural justice!0 -
Well to be fair to Corbyn he is pretty down to earth - he's about as close as you can get. Otherwise yes, you're completely wrong.Jonathan said:Corbyn is such a normal bloke, down to Earth, grounded and balanced. Not an ideological lifelong politico who sees causes not people.
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Unlike past Labour governments then?0
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Holding politicians to account is so last millennium. In this respect Jeremy Corbyn is very mainstream.0
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Godsdammit it's another new thread! Aaargh! Threads should have a minimum lifespan or change at set times. I am vexed again.0
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And mobile PB is back to normal. Yay!0
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" a Labour government will never be bought off by the rich and powerful"
*cough* Bernie Ecclestone *cough*
*cough* million quid *cough*0 -
And still not a thread on best biscuit...viewcode said:Godsdammit it's another new thread! Aaargh! Threads should have a minimum lifespan or change at set times. I am vexed again.
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That was a 'New Labour' government...MarqueeMark said:" a Labour government will never be bought off by the rich and powerful"
*cough* Bernie Ecclestone *cough*
*cough* million quid *cough*0 -
I don't know whether to be worried that my bet on a prompt exit will lose, or worried that it will win. This shower couldn't find their arse with both hands and a map.williamglenn said:0 -
Don’t inflame the situationCyclefree said:
Wrong bit of the anatomy. There's food in my stomach and intestines. The crap is elsewhere.kle4 said:
Eh, there's a lot of crap in there already.Cyclefree said:
If you've seen what it does to rust.... I certainly wouldn't want it doing the same thing to my intestines.kle4 said:
Plenty that is muck is great. Though coke is best with the pizza left over from the night before.Cyclefree said:
Is he or she Neapolitan? If not, ignore the rubbish they are telling you. A beer is OK. Coca Cola is muck, fit only to get the rust off metal garden chairs.AlastairMeeks said:Pizza requires beer, my very dogmatic Italian source insists.
Or Coca Cola.
You'd have to be mad to want to pour it inside you.
(I feel this discussion has now reached a cul de sac. Or un cul, certainly.)0 -
Google Maundy GregoryThe_Taxman said:I don't know why political parties cannot do the transparent thing of selling honours in an auction.
It would be amusing to see who would bid for instance to be duke of Upper Ramsbottom in Lancashire for instance!
The whole honours system is a complete joke anyway. Very few of the honours at higher levels are given for actual contributions to society, quite often an individual is awarded some honour for doing a job many others could do to the same ability.
Peerages and the like seem to be awarded not on merit but which PC correctness or political goal they address. Personally, I think the House of Lords should be abolished, some peers have their place in the Lords simply due to the hereditary principle still being active for F -sake! Others, have simply bought their way in because they have been lucky in life. It has no natural justice!0 -
What a shitshow Brexit has become, to think some idiots like Hannan say we're worried about Brexit becoming a success.
No-deal Brexit risks rise as UK-Japan trade talks stall.
Tokyo confident it can secure better terms from the UK than it did in discussions with EU.
Britain and Japan have made little progress on a new trade deal in the past 18 months, according to officials involved in the talks, with tariffs set to revert to World Trade Organization levels at the end of March unless the UK ratifies a Brexit deal.
Japan has agreed to extend existing trade terms for the duration of Britain’s planned transition period with the EU — but this will not apply if the UK fails to strike a deal with Brussels.
It is now too late for the Japanese Diet to ratify any agreement before Brexit is scheduled to take place on March 29. There is also a wide gap in expectations about a trade accord, which would apply either in the case of no-deal Brexit or at the end of Britain’s planned transition period, which is due to end in December 2020.
Tokyo is confident that it can secure better terms from the UK than it did in negotiations with the much larger EU, and is not willing to duplicate the existing treaty precisely in either a bilateral deal or in talks for the UK to join the Trans-Pacific Partnership group.
“The new agreement is not just a copy-and-paste of the existing treaty,” said one Japanese official briefed on the talks. “The tariffs, rules and quotas need to be negotiated separately.”
The lack of progress on a future bilateral deal — a goal set out by prime minister Theresa May on a visit to Japan in August 2017 — highlights the UK’s broader struggle to roll over existing EU trade deals, let alone secure anything better.
This week, Britain’s Department for International Trade briefed 30 business groups on its failure to replicate “most” of the EU’s trade deals with other countries around the world. Participants complained that they would be seriously affected by the failure to conclude agreements with partners as significant as Canada, Turkey and Japan.
https://www.ft.com/content/5ce60af2-2b90-11e9-a5ab-ff8ef2b976c7
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New Labour - Tory.SandyRentool said:
That was a 'New Labour' government...MarqueeMark said:" a Labour government will never be bought off by the rich and powerful"
*cough* Bernie Ecclestone *cough*
*cough* million quid *cough*0 -
I won that thread. I laid down HobNobs at the very beginning, which is the toppest of all tops in Biscuit Top Trumps. Discussion then devolved into the presence or absence of chocolate on said HobNobs, but that's peripheral.FrancisUrquhart said:
And still not a thread on best biscuit...viewcode said:Godsdammit it's another new thread! Aaargh! Threads should have a minimum lifespan or change at set times. I am vexed again.
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Truly astounding just how stupid are these people . I think many Brits aren’t even aware as May drones on about stopping Freedom of Movement that it applies to them aswell .williamglenn said:
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The Jaffa cake absolutists are worse than hard core remainers and brexiteers....viewcode said:
I won that thread. I laid down HobNobs at the very beginning, which is the toppest of all tops in Biscuit Top Trumps. Discussion then devolved into the presence or absence of chocolate on said HobNobs, but that's peripheral.FrancisUrquhart said:
And still not a thread on best biscuit...viewcode said:Godsdammit it's another new thread! Aaargh! Threads should have a minimum lifespan or change at set times. I am vexed again.
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I don't know what the England selectors are smoking, but I'm fairly sure the Liberal Democrats are in favour of legalising it.FrancisUrquhart said:Oh god....
England have dropped wicketkeeper Ben Foakes and recalled Keaton Jennings for the final Test against West Indies, which begins on Saturday.0 -
It was unified (well, dissenters were quashed), pro-business, maintained a strong pound, financed the armed forces, didn't bang on about Europe, and won enormous Parliamentary majorities.MaxPB said:
New Labour - Tory.SandyRentool said:
That was a 'New Labour' government...MarqueeMark said:" a Labour government will never be bought off by the rich and powerful"
*cough* Bernie Ecclestone *cough*
*cough* million quid *cough*
Pause
So not that Tory, then...
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This thread is about nobs hobnobbing with other nobs.viewcode said:
I won that thread. I laid down HobNobs at the very beginning, which is the toppest of all tops in Biscuit Top Trumps. Discussion then devolved into the presence or absence of chocolate on said HobNobs, but that's peripheral.FrancisUrquhart said:
And still not a thread on best biscuit...viewcode said:Godsdammit it's another new thread! Aaargh! Threads should have a minimum lifespan or change at set times. I am vexed again.
And then we will be back to Corbyn and McCluskey and it will be about knobs hobnobbing with other knobs.0 -
No chocolate on my Hobnobs for the rest of the month #Dechoxviewcode said:
I won that thread. I laid down HobNobs at the very beginning, which is the toppest of all tops in Biscuit Top Trumps. Discussion then devolved into the presence or absence of chocolate on said HobNobs, but that's peripheral.FrancisUrquhart said:
And still not a thread on best biscuit...viewcode said:Godsdammit it's another new thread! Aaargh! Threads should have a minimum lifespan or change at set times. I am vexed again.
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Jaffa cakes are the best biscuit.FrancisUrquhart said:
The Jaffa cake absolutists are worse than hard core remainers and brexiteers....viewcode said:
I won that thread. I laid down HobNobs at the very beginning, which is the toppest of all tops in Biscuit Top Trumps. Discussion then devolved into the presence or absence of chocolate on said HobNobs, but that's peripheral.FrancisUrquhart said:
And still not a thread on best biscuit...viewcode said:Godsdammit it's another new thread! Aaargh! Threads should have a minimum lifespan or change at set times. I am vexed again.
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I think even uncle vince might be a better pick to open the batting.ydoethur said:
I don't know what the England selectors are smoking, but I'm fairly sure the Liberal Democrats are in favour of legalising it.FrancisUrquhart said:Oh god....
England have dropped wicketkeeper Ben Foakes and recalled Keaton Jennings for the final Test against West Indies, which begins on Saturday.0 -
FrancisUrquhart said:
The Jaffa cake absolutists are worse than hard core remainers and brexiteers....viewcode said:
I won that thread. I laid down HobNobs at the very beginning, which is the toppest of all tops in Biscuit Top Trumps. Discussion then devolved into the presence or absence of chocolate on said HobNobs, but that's peripheral.FrancisUrquhart said:
And still not a thread on best biscuit...viewcode said:Godsdammit it's another new thread! Aaargh! Threads should have a minimum lifespan or change at set times. I am vexed again.
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I still can't believe England are picking an opener who averages one against balls aimed at the stumps.FrancisUrquhart said:
I think even uncle vince might be a better pick to open the batting.ydoethur said:
I don't know what the England selectors are smoking, but I'm fairly sure the Liberal Democrats are in favour of legalising it.FrancisUrquhart said:Oh god....
England have dropped wicketkeeper Ben Foakes and recalled Keaton Jennings for the final Test against West Indies, which begins on Saturday.
Even Chris Martin was a batter batsman than that.0 -
Calm down, this is the last test before the Ashes.ydoethur said:
I don't know what the England selectors are smoking, but I'm fairly sure the Liberal Democrats are in favour of legalising it.FrancisUrquhart said:Oh god....
England have dropped wicketkeeper Ben Foakes and recalled Keaton Jennings for the final Test against West Indies, which begins on Saturday.
Basically Stokes isn't likely to play, so they need to bring in a bowler and a batter, so dropping Foakes brings in Wood.0 -
They should make a cake with an orangey filling and biscuit crumbs. They could call it "Jaffa Biscuit" and sell it in the cake aisle...TheScreamingEagles said:
Jaffa cakes are the best biscuit.FrancisUrquhart said:
The Jaffa cake absolutists are worse than hard core remainers and brexiteers....viewcode said:
I won that thread. I laid down HobNobs at the very beginning, which is the toppest of all tops in Biscuit Top Trumps. Discussion then devolved into the presence or absence of chocolate on said HobNobs, but that's peripheral.FrancisUrquhart said:
And still not a thread on best biscuit...viewcode said:Godsdammit it's another new thread! Aaargh! Threads should have a minimum lifespan or change at set times. I am vexed again.
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That is a truly epic contradiction.TheScreamingEagles said:
Calm down, this is the last test before the Ashes.ydoethur said:
I don't know what the England selectors are smoking, but I'm fairly sure the Liberal Democrats are in favour of legalising it.FrancisUrquhart said:Oh god....
England have dropped wicketkeeper Ben Foakes and recalled Keaton Jennings for the final Test against West Indies, which begins on Saturday.0 -
I am oddly sad about that.SandyRentool said:
No chocolate on my Hobnobs for the rest of the month #Dechoxviewcode said:
I won that thread. I laid down HobNobs at the very beginning, which is the toppest of all tops in Biscuit Top Trumps. Discussion then devolved into the presence or absence of chocolate on said HobNobs, but that's peripheral.FrancisUrquhart said:
And still not a thread on best biscuit...viewcode said:Godsdammit it's another new thread! Aaargh! Threads should have a minimum lifespan or change at set times. I am vexed again.
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It self identifies as a biscuit and you should respect its choices.viewcode said:
They should make a cake with an orangey filling and biscuit crumbs. They could call it "Jaffa Biscuit" and sell it in the cake aisle...TheScreamingEagles said:
Jaffa cakes are the best biscuit.FrancisUrquhart said:
The Jaffa cake absolutists are worse than hard core remainers and brexiteers....viewcode said:
I won that thread. I laid down HobNobs at the very beginning, which is the toppest of all tops in Biscuit Top Trumps. Discussion then devolved into the presence or absence of chocolate on said HobNobs, but that's peripheral.FrancisUrquhart said:
And still not a thread on best biscuit...viewcode said:Godsdammit it's another new thread! Aaargh! Threads should have a minimum lifespan or change at set times. I am vexed again.
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I hope nobody has day 4 tickets for any ashes matches...cos you ain’t going to be seeing much cricket.TheScreamingEagles said:
Calm down, this is the last test before the Ashes.ydoethur said:
I don't know what the England selectors are smoking, but I'm fairly sure the Liberal Democrats are in favour of legalising it.FrancisUrquhart said:Oh god....
England have dropped wicketkeeper Ben Foakes and recalled Keaton Jennings for the final Test against West Indies, which begins on Saturday.
Basically Stokes isn't likely to play, so they need to bring in a bowler and a batter, so dropping Foakes brings in Wood.0 -
Have we seen any actual cricket from England in this series?FrancisUrquhart said:
I hope nobody has day 4 tickets for any ashes matches...cos you ain’t going to be seeing much cricket.TheScreamingEagles said:
Calm down, this is the last test before the Ashes.ydoethur said:
I don't know what the England selectors are smoking, but I'm fairly sure the Liberal Democrats are in favour of legalising it.FrancisUrquhart said:Oh god....
England have dropped wicketkeeper Ben Foakes and recalled Keaton Jennings for the final Test against West Indies, which begins on Saturday.
Basically Stokes isn't likely to play, so they need to bring in a bowler and a batter, so dropping Foakes brings in Wood.0 -
I have day 4 tickets for three Ashes tests.FrancisUrquhart said:
I hope nobody has day 4 tickets for any ashes matches...cos you ain’t going to be seeing much cricket.TheScreamingEagles said:
Calm down, this is the last test before the Ashes.ydoethur said:
I don't know what the England selectors are smoking, but I'm fairly sure the Liberal Democrats are in favour of legalising it.FrancisUrquhart said:Oh god....
England have dropped wicketkeeper Ben Foakes and recalled Keaton Jennings for the final Test against West Indies, which begins on Saturday.
Basically Stokes isn't likely to play, so they need to bring in a bowler and a batter, so dropping Foakes brings in Wood.
That said, the Aussies are awful as well.
We've got our outfits sorted for the Headingley test, we're all going dressed as sandpaper, which might be the only joy during the Ashes, oh that and chating, get your shit stars off our flag.0 -
Yes. But some of the nobs are knobs, some of the knobs are nobs, and some of them are knobbi[That's enough - Ed]ydoethur said:
This thread is about nobs hobnobbing with other nobs.viewcode said:
I won that thread. I laid down HobNobs at the very beginning, which is the toppest of all tops in Biscuit Top Trumps. Discussion then devolved into the presence or absence of chocolate on said HobNobs, but that's peripheral.FrancisUrquhart said:
And still not a thread on best biscuit...viewcode said:Godsdammit it's another new thread! Aaargh! Threads should have a minimum lifespan or change at set times. I am vexed again.
And then we will be back to Corbyn and McCluskey and it will be about knobs hobnobbing with other knobs.0 -
Good point...but England bat deep....ydoethur said:
Have we seen any actual cricket from England in this series?FrancisUrquhart said:
I hope nobody has day 4 tickets for any ashes matches...cos you ain’t going to be seeing much cricket.TheScreamingEagles said:
Calm down, this is the last test before the Ashes.ydoethur said:
I don't know what the England selectors are smoking, but I'm fairly sure the Liberal Democrats are in favour of legalising it.FrancisUrquhart said:Oh god....
England have dropped wicketkeeper Ben Foakes and recalled Keaton Jennings for the final Test against West Indies, which begins on Saturday.
Basically Stokes isn't likely to play, so they need to bring in a bowler and a batter, so dropping Foakes brings in Wood.0 -
She hasn't forgotten it, what they want she cannot deliver so not delivering it is not a sign of forgetting anything. If it is such an issue then parliament should known the Brady amendment plan was bollocks.williamglenn said:0 -
Not as deep as they've sunk.FrancisUrquhart said:
Good point...but England bat deep....ydoethur said:
Have we seen any actual cricket from England in this series?FrancisUrquhart said:
I hope nobody has day 4 tickets for any ashes matches...cos you ain’t going to be seeing much cricket.TheScreamingEagles said:
Calm down, this is the last test before the Ashes.ydoethur said:
I don't know what the England selectors are smoking, but I'm fairly sure the Liberal Democrats are in favour of legalising it.FrancisUrquhart said:Oh god....
England have dropped wicketkeeper Ben Foakes and recalled Keaton Jennings for the final Test against West Indies, which begins on Saturday.
Basically Stokes isn't likely to play, so they need to bring in a bowler and a batter, so dropping Foakes brings in Wood.0 -
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Mike Ashley's Sports Direct has made a bid for cafe chain Patisserie Valerie, which collapsed into administration last month.
Is there any high street chain mike doesn’t want to buy?0 -
How's that a betting post? It's like saying 'lay England to win the world cup' or 'lay Jennings to score a century' or 'lay Chris Williamson to say something that isn't overtly Nazi.'TheScreamingEagles said:Betting post
Lay the UK for Eurovision.
https://twitter.com/bbceurovision/status/1093976941592498176
Nobody was going to bet on those anyway.0 -
He wants to have his cake and gobble it up too?FrancisUrquhart said:Mike Ashley's Sports Direct has made a bid for cafe chain Patisserie Valerie, which collapsed into administration last month.
Is there any high street chain mike doesn’t want to buy?
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Still I've had worst first dates.
A female Sumatran tiger at London Zoo has been killed by a potential mate as the pair were being introduced.
Melati, 10, died on Friday during her first meeting with seven-year-old Asim - whose name means "protector" in Arabic.
They had been housed in adjoining enclosures for the last 10 days so they could see and smell each other, and it was hoped they would breed as part of a Europe-wide conservation programme for the species.
But the zoo said their first encounter "quickly escalated into a more aggressive interaction"
https://news.sky.com/story/sumatran-tiger-melati-killed-at-london-zoo-by-new-mate-116318530 -
He didn't like her as soon as he spider.TheScreamingEagles said:Still I've had worst first dates.
A female Sumatran tiger at London Zoo has been killed by a potential mate as the pair were being introduced.
Melati, 10, died on Friday during her first meeting with seven-year-old Asim - whose name means "protector" in Arabic.
They had been housed in adjoining enclosures for the last 10 days so they could see and smell each other, and it was hoped they would breed as part of a Europe-wide conservation programme for the species.
But the zoo said their first encounter "quickly escalated into a more aggressive interaction"
https://news.sky.com/story/sumatran-tiger-melati-killed-at-london-zoo-by-new-mate-116318530 -
I have virtually stopped listening to the news today with increasing despair at the trashing of our Country by our mps. I am willing it to go away but I know we have darker days ahead.TheScreamingEagles said:What a shitshow Brexit has become, to think some idiots like Hannan say we're worried about Brexit becoming a success.
No-deal Brexit risks rise as UK-Japan trade talks stall.
Tokyo is confident that it can secure better terms from the UK than it did in negotiations with the much larger EU, and is not willing to duplicate the existing treaty precisely in either a bilateral deal or in talks for the UK to join the Trans-Pacific Partnership group.
“The new agreement is not just a copy-and-paste of the existing treaty,” said one Japanese official briefed on the talks. “The tariffs, rules and quotas need to be negotiated separately.”
The lack of progress on a future bilateral deal — a goal set out by prime minister Theresa May on a visit to Japan in August 2017 — highlights the UK’s broader struggle to roll over existing EU trade deals, let alone secure anything better.
This week, Britain’s Department for International Trade briefed 30 business groups on its failure to replicate “most” of the EU’s trade deals with other countries around the world. Participants complained that they would be seriously affected by the failure to conclude agreements with partners as significant as Canada, Turkey and Japan.
https://www.ft.com/content/5ce60af2-2b90-11e9-a5ab-ff8ef2b976c7
Corbyn adds to the misery as he is quite the most hopeless opposition leader since Foot, and at least Foot was intelligent. We see blockades of vehicles put by Maduro to stop the basic medical and food supplies coming in to help the sick children and elderly and yet we have a labour leadership that refuses to condemn him. The hounding of Luciana Berger is an ever present reminder of just how far labour has gone from its values, and many labour mps want out but cannot organise themselves to leave thereby adding to Corbyn's legitimacy
TM pointless EU travels adds to the gloom and we have the ERG, ready to crash our economy onto the rocks
I can never recall such a depressing time and if it was not for the triumphant and smug looks on the EU unelected bureaucrats I would support stopping it all now and revoking A50
I am ashamed of the ERG as must so many labour mps be with Corbyn. I will not remain in the conservative party if they drive us to a no deal
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I suggested this as a piss-take weeks ago. Based purely on Ashley looking like someone who enjoys the occasional slice of cake or four.FrancisUrquhart said:Mike Ashley's Sports Direct has made a bid for cafe chain Patisserie Valerie, which collapsed into administration last month.
Is there any high street chain mike doesn’t want to buy?0 -
Again, what does mr chav sports wear see in an upmarket cake shop?0
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I think his plan is to open them in House of Fraser and Debenhams (if he acquires that).FrancisUrquhart said:Again, what does mr chav sports wear see in an upmarket cake shop?
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Now hang on Big G, that's most unfair. Foot wasn't the best leader but he was intelligent, a strong parliamentary performer and a man of integrity and dignity. We can't say any of those about Corbyn.Big_G_NorthWales said:Corbyn adds to the misery as he is quite the most hopeless opposition leader since Foot, and at least Foot was intelligent.
I was mulling over leaders of the opposition who were less effective than Corbyn. I think he's worse than Lansbury, although the parallels are obvious. I think we have to go back to the Marquis of Granby in February 1848 (that being the one month he served) to find someone more extraordinarily useless.
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Don’t they already have a deal with Sainsbury’s?TheScreamingEagles said:
I think his plan is to open them in House of Fraser and Debenhams (if he acquires that).FrancisUrquhart said:Again, what does mr chav sports wear see in an upmarket cake shop?
I honestly don’t see Ashley’s plan here with house of Fraser, Debenhams and he tried to get game.
The sports direct play he pulled off I got.0 -
He's turned part of our local House of Fraser into a sports shop. Maybe they'll start selling trainers in the cake shops.FrancisUrquhart said:Again, what does mr chav sports wear see in an upmarket cake shop?
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Do they carry Jaffa cakes?SandyRentool said:
He's turned part of our local House of Fraser into a sports shop. Maybe they'll start selling trainers in the cake shops.FrancisUrquhart said:Again, what does mr chav sports wear see in an upmarket cake shop?
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He did that to the Meadowhall House of Fraser.SandyRentool said:
He's turned part of our local House of Fraser into a sports shop. Maybe they'll start selling trainers in the cake shops.FrancisUrquhart said:Again, what does mr chav sports wear see in an upmarket cake shop?
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IDS wasn't very good, although I've developed a grudging respect recently.ydoethur said:
Now hang on Big G, that's most unfair. Foot wasn't the best leader but he was intelligent, a strong parliamentary performer and a man of integrity and dignity. We can't say any of those about Corbyn.Big_G_NorthWales said:Corbyn adds to the misery as he is quite the most hopeless opposition leader since Foot, and at least Foot was intelligent.
I was mulling over leaders of the opposition who were less effective than Corbyn. I think he's worse than Lansbury, although the parallels are obvious. I think we have to go back to the Marquis of Granby in February 1848 (that being the one month he served) to find someone more extraordinarily useless.
And he at least had the self awareness to resign!0 -
If it's any consoloation,Big G, I share your pain.Big_G_NorthWales said:
I have virtually stopped listening to the news today with increasing despair at the trashing of our Country by our mps. I am willing it to go away but I know we have darker days ahead.TheScreamingEagles said:What a shitshow Brexit has become, to think some idiots like Hannan say we're worried about Brexit becoming a success.
No-deal Brexit risks rise as UK-Japan trade talks stall.
Tokyo is confident that it can secure better terms from the UK than it did in negotiations with the much larger EU, and is not willing to duplicate the existing treaty precisely in either a bilateral deal or in talks for the UK to join the Trans-Pacific Partnership group.
“The new agreement is not just a copy-and-paste of the existing treaty,” said one Japanese official briefed on the talks. “The tariffs, rules and quotas need to be negotiated separately.”
The lack of progress on a future bilateral deal — a goal set out by prime minister Theresa May on a visit to Japan in August 2017 — highlights the UK’s broader struggle to roll over existing EU trade deals, let alone secure anything better.
This week, Britain’s Department for International Trade briefed 30 business groups on its failure to replicate “most” of the EU’s trade deals with other countries around the world. Participants complained that they would be seriously affected by the failure to conclude agreements with partners as significant as Canada, Turkey and Japan.
https://www.ft.com/content/5ce60af2-2b90-11e9-a5ab-ff8ef2b976c7
Corbyn adds to the misery as he is quite the most hopeless opposition leader since Foot, and at least Foot was intelligent. We see blockades of vehicles put by Maduro to stop the basic medical and food supplies coming in to help the sick children and elderly and yet we have a labour leadership that refuses to condemn him. The hounding of Luciana Berger is an ever present reminder of just how far labour has gone from its values, and many labour mps want out but cannot organise themselves to leave thereby adding to Corbyn's legitimacy
TM pointless EU travels adds to the gloom and we have the ERG, ready to crash our economy onto the rocks
I can never recall such a depressing time and if it was not for the triumphant and smug looks on the EU unelected bureaucrats I would support stopping it all now and revoking A50
I am ashamed of the ERG as must so many labour mps be with Corbyn. I will not remain in the conservative party if they drive us to a no deal
I condemn each and every mp and the media who have failed us. I do not know how this ends but I am ashamed of our politicians0 -
Em - I did say Foot was intelligent !!ydoethur said:
Now hang on Big G, that's most unfair. Foot wasn't the best leader but he was intelligent, a strong parliamentary performer and a man of integrity and dignity. We can't say any of those about Corbyn.Big_G_NorthWales said:Corbyn adds to the misery as he is quite the most hopeless opposition leader since Foot, and at least Foot was intelligent.
I was mulling over leaders of the opposition who were less effective than Corbyn. I think he's worse than Lansbury, although the parallels are obvious. I think we have to go back to the Marquis of Granby in February 1848 (that being the one month he served) to find someone more extraordinarily useless.
And he at least had the self awareness to resign!0 -
I am sure the vast majority do as wellPeter_the_Punter said:
If it's any consoloation,Big G, I share your pain.Big_G_NorthWales said:
I have virtually stopped listening to the news today with increasing despair at the trashing of our Country by our mps. I am willing it to go away but I know we have darker days ahead.TheScreamingEagles said:What a shitshow Brexit has become, to think some idiots like Hannan say we're worried about Brexit becoming a success.
No-deal Brexit risks rise as UK-Japan trade talks stall.
Tokyo is confident that it can secure better terms from the UK than it did in negotiations with the much larger EU, and is not willing to duplicate the existing treaty precisely in either a bilateral deal or in talks for the UK to join the Trans-Pacific Partnership group.
“The new agreement is not just a copy-and-paste of the existing treaty,” said one Japanese official briefed on the talks. “The tariffs, rules and quotas need to be negotiated separately.”
The lack of progress on a future bilateral deal — a goal set out by prime minister Theresa May on a visit to Japan in August 2017 — highlights the UK’s broader struggle to roll over existing EU trade deals, let alone secure anything better.
This week, Britain’s Department for International Trade briefed 30 business groups on its failure to replicate “most” of the EU’s trade deals with other countries around the world. Participants complained that they would be seriously affected by the failure to conclude agreements with partners as significant as Canada, Turkey and Japan.
https://www.ft.com/content/5ce60af2-2b90-11e9-a5ab-ff8ef2b976c7
Corbyn adds to the misery as he is quite the most hopeless opposition leader since Foot, and at least Foot was intelligent. We see blockades of vehicles put by Maduro to stop the basic medical and food supplies coming in to help the sick children and elderly and yet we have a labour leadership that refuses to condemn him. The hounding of Luciana Berger is an ever present reminder of just how far labour has gone from its values, and many labour mps want out but cannot organise themselves to leave thereby adding to Corbyn's legitimacy
TM pointless EU travels adds to the gloom and we have the ERG, ready to crash our economy onto the rocks
I can never recall such a depressing time and if it was not for the triumphant and smug looks on the EU unelected bureaucrats I would support stopping it all now and revoking A50
I am ashamed of the ERG as must so many labour mps be with Corbyn. I will not remain in the conservative party if they drive us to a no deal
I condemn each and every mp and the media who have failed us. I do not know how this ends but I am ashamed of our politicians0 -
Well some fish are self-aware, it seems, according to the Max Planck Institute for Ornithology as reported in today's Telegraph.ydoethur said:
Now hang on Big G, that's most unfair. Foot wasn't the best leader but he was intelligent, a strong parliamentary performer and a man of integrity and dignity. We can't say any of those about Corbyn.Big_G_NorthWales said:Corbyn adds to the misery as he is quite the most hopeless opposition leader since Foot, and at least Foot was intelligent.
I was mulling over leaders of the opposition who were less effective than Corbyn. I think he's worse than Lansbury, although the parallels are obvious. I think we have to go back to the Marquis of Granby in February 1848 (that being the one month he served) to find someone more extraordinarily useless.
And he at least had the self awareness to resign!
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William Hague was rubbish as well - one net gain in 2001 from the worse result (1997) the Tories had for over a century. IDS was really shit though, even worse than Hague as leader. I remember the Quite Man turning up the volume speech!Peter_the_Punter said:
IDS wasn't very good, although I've developed a grudging respect recently.ydoethur said:
Now hang on Big G, that's most unfair. Foot wasn't the best leader but he was intelligent, a strong parliamentary performer and a man of integrity and dignity. We can't say any of those about Corbyn.Big_G_NorthWales said:Corbyn adds to the misery as he is quite the most hopeless opposition leader since Foot, and at least Foot was intelligent.
I was mulling over leaders of the opposition who were less effective than Corbyn. I think he's worse than Lansbury, although the parallels are obvious. I think we have to go back to the Marquis of Granby in February 1848 (that being the one month he served) to find someone more extraordinarily useless.
And he at least had the self awareness to resign!0 -
He was still better than Corbyn.Peter_the_Punter said:
IDS wasn't very good, although I've developed a grudging respect recently.ydoethur said:
Now hang on Big G, that's most unfair. Foot wasn't the best leader but he was intelligent, a strong parliamentary performer and a man of integrity and dignity. We can't say any of those about Corbyn.Big_G_NorthWales said:Corbyn adds to the misery as he is quite the most hopeless opposition leader since Foot, and at least Foot was intelligent.
I was mulling over leaders of the opposition who were less effective than Corbyn. I think he's worse than Lansbury, although the parallels are obvious. I think we have to go back to the Marquis of Granby in February 1848 (that being the one month he served) to find someone more extraordinarily useless.
And he at least had the self awareness to resign!
Admittedly that's like saying somebody is more democratically elected than Maduro.0 -
You implied he was a worse leader of the opposition than Corbyn. I just can't agree.Big_G_NorthWales said:
Em - I did say Foot was intelligent !!ydoethur said:
Now hang on Big G, that's most unfair. Foot wasn't the best leader but he was intelligent, a strong parliamentary performer and a man of integrity and dignity. We can't say any of those about Corbyn.Big_G_NorthWales said:Corbyn adds to the misery as he is quite the most hopeless opposition leader since Foot, and at least Foot was intelligent.
I was mulling over leaders of the opposition who were less effective than Corbyn. I think he's worse than Lansbury, although the parallels are obvious. I think we have to go back to the Marquis of Granby in February 1848 (that being the one month he served) to find someone more extraordinarily useless.
And he at least had the self awareness to resign!0 -
About the kindest comment I can come up with on that is that it reminds me of Churchill's remark that an MP's belief in democracy was unlikely to survive five minutes of conversation with a constituent.nico67 said:
Truly astounding just how stupid are these people . I think many Brits aren’t even aware as May drones on about stopping Freedom of Movement that it applies to them aswell .williamglenn said:0 -
Many people feel the same about the news. I have heard by-passers in the street saying they have stopped watching the news it is so depressing!Big_G_NorthWales said:
I have virtually stopped listening to the news today with increasing despair at the trashing of our Country by our mps. I am willing it to go away but I know we have darker days ahead.TheScreamingEagles said:What a shitshow Brexit has become, to think some idiots like Hannan say we're worried about Brexit becoming a success.
No-deal Brexit risks rise as UK-Japan trade talks stall.
Tokyo is confident that it can secure better terms from the UK than it did in negotiations with the much larger EU, and is not willing to duplicate the existing treaty precisely in either a bilateral deal or in talks for the UK to join the Trans-Pacific Partnership group.
“The new agreement is not just a copy-and-paste of the existing treaty,” said one Japanese official briefed on the talks. “The tariffs, rules and quotas need to be negotiated separately.”
The lack of progress on a future bilateral deal — a goal set out by prime minister Theresa May on a visit to Japan in August 2017 — highlights the UK’s broader struggle to roll over existing EU trade deals, let alone secure anything better.
This week, Britain’s Department for International Trade briefed 30 business groups on its failure to replicate “most” of the EU’s trade deals with other countries around the world. Participants complained that they would be seriously affected by the failure to conclude agreements with partners as significant as Canada, Turkey and Japan.
https://www.ft.com/content/5ce60af2-2b90-11e9-a5ab-ff8ef2b976c7
Corbyn adds to the misery as he is quite the most hopeless opposition leader since Foot, and at least Foot was intelligent. We see blockades of vehicles put by Maduro to stop the basic medical and food supplies coming in to help the sick children and elderly and yet we have a labour leadership that refuses to condemn him. The hounding of Luciana Berger is an ever present reminder of just how far labour has gone from its values, and many labour mps want out but cannot organise themselves to leave thereby adding to Corbyn's legitimacy
TM pointless EU travels adds to the gloom and we have the ERG, ready to crash our economy onto the rocks
I can never recall such a depressing time and if it was not for the triumphant and smug looks on the EU unelected bureaucrats I would support stopping it all now and revoking A50
I am ashamed of the ERG as must so many labour mps be with Corbyn. I will not remain in the conservative party if they drive us to a no deal
I condemn each and every mp and the media who have failed us. I do not know how this ends but I am ashamed of our politicians0 -
That was not my intetion. Corbyn is a lot worse than Footydoethur said:
You implied he was a worse leader of the opposition than Corbyn. I just can't agree.Big_G_NorthWales said:
Em - I did say Foot was intelligent !!ydoethur said:
Now hang on Big G, that's most unfair. Foot wasn't the best leader but he was intelligent, a strong parliamentary performer and a man of integrity and dignity. We can't say any of those about Corbyn.Big_G_NorthWales said:Corbyn adds to the misery as he is quite the most hopeless opposition leader since Foot, and at least Foot was intelligent.
I was mulling over leaders of the opposition who were less effective than Corbyn. I think he's worse than Lansbury, although the parallels are obvious. I think we have to go back to the Marquis of Granby in February 1848 (that being the one month he served) to find someone more extraordinarily useless.
And he at least had the self awareness to resign!0 -
This discussion about leaders of the opposition, and Jeremy Corbyn’s “dissatisfied” numbers are by far the worst ever. When you consider the competition, that’s quite something.0
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'I would have no doubt the miners' leaders are the stupidest men in England, had I not frequent occasion to meet the owners.'Peter_the_Punter said:
About the kindest comment I can come up with on that is that it reminds me of Churchill's remark that an MP's belief in democracy was unlikely to survive five minutes of conversation with a constituent.nico67 said:
Truly astounding just how stupid are these people . I think many Brits aren’t even aware as May drones on about stopping Freedom of Movement that it applies to them aswell .williamglenn said:
Lord Birkenhead.0 -
Perhaps we are a "failed State" obviously not in the sense of a Venezuela or a Somalia - a different kind of failure, a failure not just of a political class but of the very definition of governance in terms of setting the terms of reference for the direction of the country.Big_G_NorthWales said:
I have virtually stopped listening to the news today with increasing despair at the trashing of our Country by our mps. I am willing it to go away but I know we have darker days ahead.
Corbyn adds to the misery as he is quite the most hopeless opposition leader since Foot, and at least Foot was intelligent. We see blockades of vehicles put by Maduro to stop the basic medical and food supplies coming in to help the sick children and elderly and yet we have a labour leadership that refuses to condemn him. The hounding of Luciana Berger is an ever present reminder of just how far labour has gone from its values, and many labour mps want out but cannot organise themselves to leave thereby adding to Corbyn's legitimacy
TM pointless EU travels adds to the gloom and we have the ERG, ready to crash our economy onto the rocks
I can never recall such a depressing time and if it was not for the triumphant and smug looks on the EU unelected bureaucrats I would support stopping it all now and revoking A50
I am ashamed of the ERG as must so many labour mps be with Corbyn. I will not remain in the conservative party if they drive us to a no deal
I condemn each and every mp and the media who have failed us. I do not know how this ends but I am ashamed of our politicians
It's not the fault of a political class or even a political system - to paraphrase "the fault lies not in our politicians but in ourselves". We are a complex post-industrial advanced society - technology is offering not just evolution or devolution but revolution in how it can re-order the very concepts which provided the stability and order of the 20th Century.
Such things challenge us fundamentally and they can seem overwhelming and it's easy to retreat back to the comfortable solutions of the past but the future won't allow such luxury.0 -
OK, I'll forgive you, as you're an intelligent poster and it was probably an honest mistake (unlike that examiner who thought Harold won at Hastings).Big_G_NorthWales said:
That was not my intetion. Corbyn is a lot worse than Footydoethur said:
You implied he was a worse leader of the opposition than Corbyn. I just can't agree.Big_G_NorthWales said:
Em - I did say Foot was intelligent !!ydoethur said:
Now hang on Big G, that's most unfair. Foot wasn't the best leader but he was intelligent, a strong parliamentary performer and a man of integrity and dignity. We can't say any of those about Corbyn.Big_G_NorthWales said:Corbyn adds to the misery as he is quite the most hopeless opposition leader since Foot, and at least Foot was intelligent.
I was mulling over leaders of the opposition who were less effective than Corbyn. I think he's worse than Lansbury, although the parallels are obvious. I think we have to go back to the Marquis of Granby in February 1848 (that being the one month he served) to find someone more extraordinarily useless.
And he at least had the self awareness to resign!0 -
Theresa May would be the worst imaginable candidate for PM - were it not for Jeremy Corbyn.AlastairMeeks said:This discussion about leaders of the opposition, and Jeremy Corbyn’s “dissatisfied” numbers are by far the worst ever. When you consider the competition, that’s quite something.
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I dislike Corbyn but he gained seats compared to Foot who lost many!Big_G_NorthWales said:
That was not my intetion. Corbyn is a lot worse than Footydoethur said:
You implied he was a worse leader of the opposition than Corbyn. I just can't agree.Big_G_NorthWales said:
Em - I did say Foot was intelligent !!ydoethur said:
Now hang on Big G, that's most unfair. Foot wasn't the best leader but he was intelligent, a strong parliamentary performer and a man of integrity and dignity. We can't say any of those about Corbyn.Big_G_NorthWales said:Corbyn adds to the misery as he is quite the most hopeless opposition leader since Foot, and at least Foot was intelligent.
I was mulling over leaders of the opposition who were less effective than Corbyn. I think he's worse than Lansbury, although the parallels are obvious. I think we have to go back to the Marquis of Granby in February 1848 (that being the one month he served) to find someone more extraordinarily useless.
And he at least had the self awareness to resign!0 -
Hmmm, let me see now.....Corbyn/IDS....IDS/Corbyn.....Can I get back to you on that one?ydoethur said:
He was still better than Corbyn.Peter_the_Punter said:
IDS wasn't very good, although I've developed a grudging respect recently.ydoethur said:
Now hang on Big G, that's most unfair. Foot wasn't the best leader but he was intelligent, a strong parliamentary performer and a man of integrity and dignity. We can't say any of those about Corbyn.Big_G_NorthWales said:Corbyn adds to the misery as he is quite the most hopeless opposition leader since Foot, and at least Foot was intelligent.
I was mulling over leaders of the opposition who were less effective than Corbyn. I think he's worse than Lansbury, although the parallels are obvious. I think we have to go back to the Marquis of Granby in February 1848 (that being the one month he served) to find someone more extraordinarily useless.
And he at least had the self awareness to resign!
Admittedly that's like saying somebody is more democratically elected than Maduro.
It grieves one to think that IDS was the Stop Ken Clarke candidate. What were you guys in blue thinking of?0 -
I was a member of the Labour Party when Foot was Leader, and campaigned for his election. I remember thinking he was poor, but the shower he was leading was the problem rather than him.The_Taxman said:
I dislike Corbyn but he gained seats compared to Foot who lost many!Big_G_NorthWales said:
That was not my intetion. Corbyn is a lot worse than Footydoethur said:
You implied he was a worse leader of the opposition than Corbyn. I just can't agree.Big_G_NorthWales said:
Em - I did say Foot was intelligent !!ydoethur said:
Now hang on Big G, that's most unfair. Foot wasn't the best leader but he was intelligent, a strong parliamentary performer and a man of integrity and dignity. We can't say any of those about Corbyn.Big_G_NorthWales said:Corbyn adds to the misery as he is quite the most hopeless opposition leader since Foot, and at least Foot was intelligent.
I was mulling over leaders of the opposition who were less effective than Corbyn. I think he's worse than Lansbury, although the parallels are obvious. I think we have to go back to the Marquis of Granby in February 1848 (that being the one month he served) to find someone more extraordinarily useless.
And he at least had the self awareness to resign!0 -
Lol! Never heard that before. Wonderful. Thank you, Ydoethur.ydoethur said:
'I would have no doubt the miners' leaders are the stupidest men in England, had I not frequent occasion to meet the owners.'Peter_the_Punter said:
About the kindest comment I can come up with on that is that it reminds me of Churchill's remark that an MP's belief in democracy was unlikely to survive five minutes of conversation with a constituent.nico67 said:
Truly astounding just how stupid are these people . I think many Brits aren’t even aware as May drones on about stopping Freedom of Movement that it applies to them aswell .williamglenn said:
Lord Birkenhead.0 -
I voted for Ken Clarke as I was a member at the time!Peter_the_Punter said:
Hmmm, let me see now.....Corbyn/IDS....IDS/Corbyn.....Can I get back to you on that one?ydoethur said:
He was still better than Corbyn.Peter_the_Punter said:
IDS wasn't very good, although I've developed a grudging respect recently.ydoethur said:
Now hang on Big G, that's most unfair. Foot wasn't the best leader but he was intelligent, a strong parliamentary performer and a man of integrity and dignity. We can't say any of those about Corbyn.Big_G_NorthWales said:Corbyn adds to the misery as he is quite the most hopeless opposition leader since Foot, and at least Foot was intelligent.
I was mulling over leaders of the opposition who were less effective than Corbyn. I think he's worse than Lansbury, although the parallels are obvious. I think we have to go back to the Marquis of Granby in February 1848 (that being the one month he served) to find someone more extraordinarily useless.
And he at least had the self awareness to resign!
Admittedly that's like saying somebody is more democratically elected than Maduro.
It grieves one to think that IDS was the Stop Ken Clarke candidate. What were you guys in blue thinking of?
IDS was shit on a stick. I saw him give a floundering speech at a hustings and wondered why people were voting for him. Clarke on the other hand gave a speech without notes to an audience that he tailored his message toward. I have a very high regard for KC, shame he is not in his forties now as he has the qualities to lead the UK out of this malaise.0 -
It was indeed - Corbyn is the worst labour leader in all my 75 years bar nonydoethur said:
OK, I'll forgive you, as you're an intelligent poster and it was probably an honest mistake (unlike that examiner who thought Harold won at Hastings).Big_G_NorthWales said:
That was not my intetion. Corbyn is a lot worse than Footydoethur said:
You implied he was a worse leader of the opposition than Corbyn. I just can't agree.Big_G_NorthWales said:
Em - I did say Foot was intelligent !!ydoethur said:
Now hang on Big G, that's most unfair. Foot wasn't the best leader but he was intelligent, a strong parliamentary performer and a man of integrity and dignity. We can't say any of those about Corbyn.Big_G_NorthWales said:Corbyn adds to the misery as he is quite the most hopeless opposition leader since Foot, and at least Foot was intelligent.
I was mulling over leaders of the opposition who were less effective than Corbyn. I think he's worse than Lansbury, although the parallels are obvious. I think we have to go back to the Marquis of Granby in February 1848 (that being the one month he served) to find someone more extraordinarily useless.
And he at least had the self awareness to resign!0 -
No idea, not being a Tory.Peter_the_Punter said:
Hmmm, let me see now.....Corbyn/IDS....IDS/Corbyn.....Can I get back to you on that one?ydoethur said:
He was still better than Corbyn.Peter_the_Punter said:
IDS wasn't very good, although I've developed a grudging respect recently.ydoethur said:
Now hang on Big G, that's most unfair. Foot wasn't the best leader but he was intelligent, a strong parliamentary performer and a man of integrity and dignity. We can't say any of those about Corbyn.Big_G_NorthWales said:Corbyn adds to the misery as he is quite the most hopeless opposition leader since Foot, and at least Foot was intelligent.
I was mulling over leaders of the opposition who were less effective than Corbyn. I think he's worse than Lansbury, although the parallels are obvious. I think we have to go back to the Marquis of Granby in February 1848 (that being the one month he served) to find someone more extraordinarily useless.
And he at least had the self awareness to resign!
Admittedly that's like saying somebody is more democratically elected than Maduro.
It grieves one to think that IDS was the Stop Ken Clarke candidate. What were you guys in blue thinking of?
But with all his faults nobody to my knowledge accused Duncan Smith of racism, covering up child sex abuse or of taking money to promote anti-British propaganda.0 -
There is a particularly memorable car-crash interview with John Humphries on the Today Programme. IDS had obviously been told to affect laughter at any awkward question. The result was painfully embarrassing. I think he lost the job soon after.The_Taxman said:
William Hague was rubbish as well - one net gain in 2001 from the worse result (1997) the Tories had for over a century. IDS was really shit though, even worse than Hague as leader. I remember the Quite Man turning up the volume speech!Peter_the_Punter said:
IDS wasn't very good, although I've developed a grudging respect recently.ydoethur said:
Now hang on Big G, that's most unfair. Foot wasn't the best leader but he was intelligent, a strong parliamentary performer and a man of integrity and dignity. We can't say any of those about Corbyn.Big_G_NorthWales said:Corbyn adds to the misery as he is quite the most hopeless opposition leader since Foot, and at least Foot was intelligent.
I was mulling over leaders of the opposition who were less effective than Corbyn. I think he's worse than Lansbury, although the parallels are obvious. I think we have to go back to the Marquis of Granby in February 1848 (that being the one month he served) to find someone more extraordinarily useless.
And he at least had the self awareness to resign!0 -
I shuddered when I discovered she was candidate for PM. Then she got it to my despair! I had similar bad vibes about Gordon Brown. The sad thing about todays situation is the complete lack of decent or even viable alternative.ydoethur said:
Theresa May would be the worst imaginable candidate for PM - were it not for Jeremy Corbyn.AlastairMeeks said:This discussion about leaders of the opposition, and Jeremy Corbyn’s “dissatisfied” numbers are by far the worst ever. When you consider the competition, that’s quite something.
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You can take our freedom, but you’ll never take our SHORTBREAD!!!TheScreamingEagles said:
Jaffa cakes are the best biscuit.FrancisUrquhart said:
The Jaffa cake absolutists are worse than hard core remainers and brexiteers....viewcode said:
I won that thread. I laid down HobNobs at the very beginning, which is the toppest of all tops in Biscuit Top Trumps. Discussion then devolved into the presence or absence of chocolate on said HobNobs, but that's peripheral.FrancisUrquhart said:
And still not a thread on best biscuit...viewcode said:Godsdammit it's another new thread! Aaargh! Threads should have a minimum lifespan or change at set times. I am vexed again.
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He was an outstanding minister and a great public servant, even if he was also dogmatic and not good at connecting with ordinary people instead of talking down to them.The_Taxman said:
I voted for Ken Clarke as I was a member at the time!Peter_the_Punter said:
Hmmm, let me see now.....Corbyn/IDS....IDS/Corbyn.....Can I get back to you on that one?ydoethur said:
He was still better than Corbyn.Peter_the_Punter said:
IDS wasn't very good, although I've developed a grudging respect recently.ydoethur said:
Now hang on Big G, that's most unfair. Foot wasn't the best leader but he was intelligent, a strong parliamentary performer and a man of integrity and dignity. We can't say any of those about Corbyn.Big_G_NorthWales said:Corbyn adds to the misery as he is quite the most hopeless opposition leader since Foot, and at least Foot was intelligent.
I was mulling over leaders of the opposition who were less effective than Corbyn. I think he's worse than Lansbury, although the parallels are obvious. I think we have to go back to the Marquis of Granby in February 1848 (that being the one month he served) to find someone more extraordinarily useless.
And he at least had the self awareness to resign!
Admittedly that's like saying somebody is more democratically elected than Maduro.
It grieves one to think that IDS was the Stop Ken Clarke candidate. What were you guys in blue thinking of?
IDS was shit on a stick. I saw him give a floundering speech at a hustings and wondered why people were voting for him. Clarke on the other hand gave a speech without notes to an audience that he tailored his message toward. I have a very high regard for KC, shame he is not in his forties now as he has the qualities to lead the UK out of this malaise.
But it's not hard to imagine given the shambles the Tories were at the time that his career as leader in 1997 or 2001 would indeed have been comparable to Foot's.
And with that cheerful thought, good night.0 -
And your last sentence captures the whole problemThe_Taxman said:
I shuddered when I discovered she was candidate for PM. Then she got it to my despair! I had similar bad vibes about Gordon Brown. The sad thing about todays situation is the complete lack of decent or even viable alternative.ydoethur said:
Theresa May would be the worst imaginable candidate for PM - were it not for Jeremy Corbyn.AlastairMeeks said:This discussion about leaders of the opposition, and Jeremy Corbyn’s “dissatisfied” numbers are by far the worst ever. When you consider the competition, that’s quite something.
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I always liked from the same man:Peter_the_Punter said:
Lol! Never heard that before. Wonderful. Thank you, Ydoethur.ydoethur said:
'I would have no doubt the miners' leaders are the stupidest men in England, had I not frequent occasion to meet the owners.'Peter_the_Punter said:
About the kindest comment I can come up with on that is that it reminds me of Churchill's remark that an MP's belief in democracy was unlikely to survive five minutes of conversation with a constituent.nico67 said:
Truly astounding just how stupid are these people . I think many Brits aren’t even aware as May drones on about stopping Freedom of Movement that it applies to them aswell .williamglenn said:
Lord Birkenhead.
Judge: I've listened to you for an hour and I'm none wiser.
FE Smith: None the wiser, perhaps, my lord but certainly better informed.
Nothing to do with my case today of course.
Also: "Churchill has spent the best years of his life preparing impromptu remarks."0 -
Big_G_NorthWales said:
I have virtually stopped listening to the news today with increasing despair at the trashing of our Country by our mps. I am willing it to go away but I know we have darker days ahead.TheScreamingEagles said:What a shitshow Brexit has become, to think some idiots like Hannan say we're worried about Brexit becoming a success.
I can never recall such a depressing time and if it was not for the triumphant and smug looks on the EU unelected bureaucrats I would support stopping it all now and revoking A50
I am ashamed of the ERG as must so many labour mps be with Corbyn. I will not remain in the conservative party if they drive us to a no deal
I condemn each and every mp and the media who have failed us. I do not know how this ends but I am ashamed of our politicians
I may be wrong, but I seem to remember a quote from Tony Benn describing the Falklands War as "the last twitch of Britain's colonial past". But actually, I see Brexit in these terms. All the talk of 'Empire 2.0', the constant digging up of WWII tropes and propaganda. For a small but significant number of powerful individuals in this country, it's a last desperate grasp for the past in the face of a complex and transformed world. All of us kick and rail against 'the new' to some extent, but I guess if you have vast wealth and power you get to try to turn the clock back.
I have kids Big G, so I must be optimistic: we will get through this. A poorer, more humble nation certainly. But perhaps one that can finally shake off its colonial baggage and undergo a long, dark teatime of the soul - and consider the kind of country and culture we want. I'm still proud to be British, but that pride comes from British values of tolerance, liberty and democracy. I see the coming 'Battle of Britain' after Brexit more a Jihad for this country's soul, and we need everyone to bring their best selves to the fight.0 -
The sad truth is that Clarke could never have led the Tory Party because of his views on Europe. Equally sad was the parallel with Healey and the Labour Party, which is often remarked upon.The_Taxman said:
I voted for Ken Clarke as I was a member at the time!Peter_the_Punter said:
Hmmm, let me see now.....Corbyn/IDS....IDS/Corbyn.....Can I get back to you on that one?ydoethur said:
He was still better than Corbyn.Peter_the_Punter said:
IDS wasn't very good, although I've developed a grudging respect recently.ydoethur said:
Now hang on Big G, that's most unfair. Foot wasn't the best leader but he was intelligent, a strong parliamentary performer and a man of integrity and dignity. We can't say any of those about Corbyn.Big_G_NorthWales said:Corbyn adds to the misery as he is quite the most hopeless opposition leader since Foot, and at least Foot was intelligent.
I was mulling over leaders of the opposition who were less effective than Corbyn. I think he's worse than Lansbury, although the parallels are obvious. I think we have to go back to the Marquis of Granby in February 1848 (that being the one month he served) to find someone more extraordinarily useless.
And he at least had the self awareness to resign!
Admittedly that's like saying somebody is more democratically elected than Maduro.
It grieves one to think that IDS was the Stop Ken Clarke candidate. What were you guys in blue thinking of?
IDS was shit on a stick. I saw him give a floundering speech at a hustings and wondered why people were voting for him. Clarke on the other hand gave a speech without notes to an audience that he tailored his message toward. I have a very high regard for KC, shame he is not in his forties now as he has the qualities to lead the UK out of this malaise.0 -
I wonder if IDS was getting the advice from Mike Penning? I had to laugh in the last year when Penning tried to claim he was a moderate middle of the road Tory. Penning was the media spokesman for the whipless Maastricht rebels in the 1990s and IDS's right hand man as deputy head of media at Tory HQ in his short tenure as leader. No doubt he advised on the Quite man speech as well!Peter_the_Punter said:
There is a particularly memorable car-crash interview with John Humphries on the Today Programme. IDS had obviously been told to affect laughter at any awkward question. The result was painfully embarrassing. I think he lost the job soon after.The_Taxman said:
William Hague was rubbish as well - one net gain in 2001 from the worse result (1997) the Tories had for over a century. IDS was really shit though, even worse than Hague as leader. I remember the Quite Man turning up the volume speech!Peter_the_Punter said:
IDS wasn't very good, although I've developed a grudging respect recently.ydoethur said:
Now hang on Big G, that's most unfair. Foot wasn't the best leader but he was intelligent, a strong parliamentary performer and a man of integrity and dignity. We can't say any of those about Corbyn.Big_G_NorthWales said:Corbyn adds to the misery as he is quite the most hopeless opposition leader since Foot, and at least Foot was intelligent.
I was mulling over leaders of the opposition who were less effective than Corbyn. I think he's worse than Lansbury, although the parallels are obvious. I think we have to go back to the Marquis of Granby in February 1848 (that being the one month he served) to find someone more extraordinarily useless.
And he at least had the self awareness to resign!0
