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If we do stumble across the Brexit finish line, the immediate question will be "now what ?".
Very little thought seems to have been given to the answer, let alone how to make it appealing.
I don't suppose Dominic Cummings will be helping out.
It definitely won't be sufficient (heck I expect it will make things far worse) and once it comes into effect the lack of improvement (that the Leaders of Leave promised) will result in some interesting long term consequences...
https://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2019/01/24/kamala-harris-2020-history-224126
As Stearns tells it, Harris rose from her seat at the front of the sanctuary and stepped behind Terence Hallinan, the incumbent who billed himself as “America’s most progressive district attorney.” She told the audience, “You know Terence Hallinan has attacked Bill Fazio for being caught in a massage parlor,” a reference to a 1998 raid. Fazio, a former prosecutor who had run two close races against Hallinan and was now taking a third shot at the office, maintained he was there to conduct interviews for a legal case he was working on. He was never charged with any crime.
Then, Harris walked behind Fazio, Stearns said, and recounted the times her opponent had criticized Hallinan “for people having sex in his office,” referring to an incident in which two of Hallinan’s prosecutors were found in flagrante delicto inside the building.
“And then she walked back to the middle and said, ‘I want to make a commitment to you that my campaign is not going to be about negative attacks,’” said Stearns, who is still a Democratic strategist in the city. “’I believe we need to talk about the issues and the policies and the way we’re going to move our criminal justice system forward.”
The response was immediate. “People just jumped on their feet and gave her a standing ovation,” Stearns said. “And I was at the back of the church, and the look on the face of Terence Hallinan and Bill Fazio was, ‘Oh, shit.’’”
As he was when he was at DoE..
Regretfully I'm not sure we'll be putting out as many copies of this one.
Effectively allowing free movement of goods between the UK and Ireland but stopping this spreading to other EU countries with checks of imports from Ireland and the Uk at Calais, Rotterdam etc
So a hard border in the English Channel rather than in the Irish Sea.
There is talk in Ireland that this is the EUs answer to not having the power to force Ireland and the UK to put a hard border in place between Ireland and NI in the event of No Deal.
But can I mention that there is one Tory MP who is at least trying to think about the challenges of the future.
http://johnpenrose.org/wp/2018/10/01/a-shining-city/
The fact that he is totally unknown probably tells you all you need to know about the lack of thought within the higher reaches or indeed any of the reaches of the Tory party.
Who, exactly?
Correct - none of the parties offering anything at the moment.
I love how you trample over Irish sovereignty.
Are you related Oliver Cromwell or Pope Adrian?
To go through all of this principally in order to do trade deals with the back of beyond, stop Romanians coming to pick fruit, and be able to boss around our own fish, does not pass the cost/benefit test.
Brexit, for it to make any sense whatsoever, has to lead to a big change in our domestic politics, and the change has to be one that membership of the EU would have prohibited - otherwise we did not need Brexit to make the change.
Therefore we need a general election, asap after Brexit, where the ERG vision of a small state, low tax, light regulation UK is pitched against the Corbyn/McDonnell plan to secure for the workers by hand or by brain the full fruits of their industry and the most equitable distribution thereof that may be possible upon the basis of the common ownership of the means of production, distribution and exchange.
It's a stark choice that cannot be fudged. If we are not up for either of those paths, if we want to just keep on keeping on, then we might as well stop Brexit right now.
iirc Sean Fear stuck carbon emissions up there. I think another needs adding - antibiotic use.
Christ these people are intellectually Bankrupt
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This is just dishonesty. Even if Labour backed a referendum, a third of the Shadow Cabinet would resign and up to a quarter of Labour MPs would vote against. Less than 10% of Tory MPs would back it: that’s why it’s doomed. So why isn’t Sarah Wollaston blaming her colleagues?
Shocking.
It's not the most enticing offer in history...
Then I saw Grieve on Newsnight last week and they were trying to get him to say that a second referendum was on the way and all he came up was a load of waffle...
But it may well be that there's no majority in parliament for a second people's vote. If so, it would be good to establish that, so that it can be taken off the table.
The rest of your argument is more than a little flawed. A narrow vote for Brexit has already been used to argue for a whole host of things not on the original leave prospectus. To further use it to leverage a retreat to either political extreme is absurd.
"Here we have a German CEO putting EU interests first before his own employees. A disgrace. As with Galileo UK should make plans to take over these plants and sell into the global marketplace with our own planes."
I have heard of Trotskyists who think like this - "Seize the plants! Launch our own projects!" Haven't heard it from the Conservative Party up to now.
Again. Not losing is akin to winning it seems to our politicans.
Corbyn is more a Brexiteer than ERG
Today a second referendum died
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2019/jan/22/labour-frontbenchers-warn-of-opposition-to-second-brexit-referendum
Femis tweet about Ireland was one of the most crass things i have ever read on Twitter.
We'll get a test case next week anyway, because if not enough MPs even have the guts to postpone Brexit by a few months (by voting for the Yvette Cooper bill), we can be 100% sure that they'll never vote for something that could overturn Brexit altogether.
Peoples voter MPs repeating the lie that if Jeremy Corbyn backed it It could pass.
Christ these people are intellectually Bankrupt
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This is just dishonesty. Even if Labour backed a referendum, a third of the Shadow Cabinet would resign and up to a quarter of Labour MPs would vote against. Less than 10% of Tory MPs would back it: that’s why it’s doomed. So why isn’t Sarah Wollaston blaming her colleagues?
But strategically, Corbyn doesn't care what happens, as long as whatever mess does happen is fully labelled as 'Tory'.
Only two companies build the largest planes. There's a reason.
What an idiot.
If Ireland wants to either come up with a technical solution or put up an Irish border it wouldn't be necessary but they've deliberately since Varadkar took over refused to engage on technical solutions. Put the ball in their court.
Related to this is a question: Until the EU and IR are of one consistent voice as to what they will do about the border, and who has power and authority to do it, if there is no deal (maybe Mr Trump could offer advice) then there is a very important missing fact. As long as it is a missing fact you can't blame Hard Brexiteers (of whom I am not one) taking advantage of it.
And we probably wouldn’t sell very many planes.
And we probably wouldn’t sell very many planes.
Mike (I hate Corbyn so much i repeat the IRA Hamas Hezbollah slur most weeks) Gapes
Chukka( I see an opportunity for me here) Ummana
Have royally fooked this up
Lets blame Corbyn!
With no deal and referendum virtually off the table it has to be this deal or then what
This by definition must be a radical path since if it were not we can do it as an EU member and thus would not need Brexit.
Ergo a Brexit that does not lead to radical change is, quite literally, pointless.
Why is that argument absurd?
Agree. It sounds improbable, but it is much less improbable than the alternatives. There is at least a thinkable route to TM's deal; there is a thinkable route to no deal, but a huge majority intend to ensure it does not happen. There is no coherent route to any other outcome. Therefore it will happen. If we reach the middle/late March like this it will concentrate minds wonderfully, like being hanged in a fortnight.
The UK-wide backstop was actually a triumph of British diplomacy, and regarded by some in the EU as a major climbdown on their part. It's a funny old world indeed!
The current system we were locked in is great for the wealthy and the poor in eastern europe.
It's not good for the lower skilled members of our community. We have an obligation to look to their interests.
Brexit will allow our politicians the ability to address these deep seated problems. I doubt they will take it, but they should. And if they don't we can sack them and replace them with others who will.
But if the idea is a closer relationship than is envisaged in the political declaration, that would possible. To get there we first need to ratify the Withdrawal Agreement (i.e. sign 'the deal').
X accused Y of doing A
Y accused X of doing B
But I am definitely not going to remind you of either A or B.
Everyone's opinions are shifting.
First ERG started to move at the end of last week. DUP started to move at the start of this week.
Now "People's Vote" lobby are moving...
Logically they will all have to agree on a deal in the end as their preferred outcomes (No Deal and People's Vote/AKA Brexit cancelled) are not viable.