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The alternatives are so shit, Jimmy could end up being in the team as long as her maj has been on the throne.kle4 said:
That's like asking what will happen when Her Majesty leaves us, you're not supposed to ask.FrancisUrquhart said:What will England do when jimmy Anderson’s body finally packs in?
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I get a similar warning on my MacBook.Stark_Dawning said:
Eeek! I clicked on that and got a Norton Security (which i don't have installed) '5 Virus' warning. Site must be infected with malware. Best avoided.williamglenn said:0 -
https://order-order.com/2019/01/22/oecd-chief-says-wto-brexit-will-seamless-low-cost/IanB2 said:Fears are growing internationally that a no-deal Brexit poses a threat to the stability of the global economy, the head of Britain’s leading business body has warned. Carolyn Fairbairn, director-general of the CBI, said the failure to sort out Britain’s departure from the European Union was damaging Britain’s brand abroad and had joined a list of systemic risks to the world economy.
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Delay, sure, but after decision. Not remain by the back door kicking into the long grass that parliament is seeking. We should remain, but they should not trick people into it.IanB2 said:
However we might leave, it is becoming increasingly clear that we aren't ready and cannot be made ready by the end of March. Postponement is inevitable. .Benpointer said:
The "As it stands" gives the game away that Esther knows the writing is on the wall.williamglenn said:0 -
I hadn't clicked on it but I get a warning too...Floater said:
Nice try - nothing wrong with the link according to my softwareStark_Dawning said:
Eeek! I clicked on that and got a Norton Security (which i don't have installed) '5 Virus' warning. Site must be infected with malware. Best avoided.williamglenn said:0 -
I don't blame them.Peter_the_Punter said:
Your Fellow Brits voted for it. F*ck 'em.TheScreamingEagles said:
I've been there for two years.williamglenn said:
I'm starting to think it would be worth a no deal crisis just to see these people get found out.Benpointer said:
The "As it stands" gives the game away that Esther knows the writing is on the wall.williamglenn said:
Only my concern for my fellow Brits wants me to stop it happening.
I blame the Leave politicians that promised them at Leaving would be easy, that we held all the aces, and there'd be nothing but sunlit uplands.
Who do you blame, the scam artist(s) or the ones who got scammed?0 -
Let them lash out in all directions if it makes them feel betterkle4 said:
Funny, we keep being told no one knew what they voted for.Peter_the_Punter said:
Your Fellow Brits voted for it. F*ck 'em.TheScreamingEagles said:
I've been there for two years.williamglenn said:
I'm starting to think it would be worth a no deal crisis just to see these people get found out.Benpointer said:
The "As it stands" gives the game away that Esther knows the writing is on the wall.williamglenn said:
Only my concern for my fellow Brits wants me to stop it happening.0 -
I’d be interested in exactly the same polling on national leaders0
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Jimmy strikes yet again...0
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If May whipped any of alternatives it would beat the deal.MarqueeMark said:
You just can't tell us what it is.....Jonathan said:
Closer than the biggest defeat in history? Yes.MarqueeMark said:
Are you arguing there is a closer alternative proposal in Parliament?Jonathan said:
Are you arguing that the result in parliament was close enough for there to be another vote?HYUFD said:
May has got the only compromise the EU will give and which keeps enough Brexiteers on board, it is People's Vote diehard Remainers and 'Leave means Leave' diehard Leavers refusing to compromiseJonathan said:
May is perpetually disappointing. Rather than trying to find a compromise she has spent the week spinning against others trying to undermine them to force her deal.HYUFD said:
Or No Dealers to ransom with threats of remainJonathan said:So the government and its supporters are still holding the nation to ransom with threats of no deal.
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Anderson currently 23-12-32-4.FrancisUrquhart said:
The alternatives are so shit, Jimmy could end up being in the team as long as her maj has been on the throne.kle4 said:
That's like asking what will happen when Her Majesty leaves us, you're not supposed to ask.FrancisUrquhart said:What will England do when jimmy Anderson’s body finally packs in?
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Apparently it’s now ok to vote twice. So don’t worry.TheScreamingEagles said:
I don't blame them.Peter_the_Punter said:
Your Fellow Brits voted for it. F*ck 'em.TheScreamingEagles said:
I've been there for two years.williamglenn said:
I'm starting to think it would be worth a no deal crisis just to see these people get found out.Benpointer said:
The "As it stands" gives the game away that Esther knows the writing is on the wall.williamglenn said:
Only my concern for my fellow Brits wants me to stop it happening.
I blame the Leave politicians that promised them at Leaving would be easy, that we held all the aces, and there'd be nothing but sunlit uplands.
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I’m sorry, Tissue, OGH. All lovers of WA and FA. Being extremely on topic here, unless that deal changes quite a lot in a short space of time, in a way appearing completely unlikely, the brexiteers are not voting for it. The parliamentary Labour Party will have to disintegrate with enough voting for it, and that’s not likely either.Tissue_Price said:Also (FPT): Here's the data split by 2016 vote. The deal is acceptable to an absolute majority of Leavers, and also a majority of Remainers (once you remove DKs). The No Deal / No Brexit options are predictably polarising.
To be fair, acceptability is not quite the same as approval, but the Deal looks like the only option for moving on.
https://twitter.com/NCPoliticsUK/status/1088097071863947264
The only definition of leave left in play now is the one between Bernard Jenkins ears, because that is the law of the land, and it should be clear to all of us nothing can stop it. a law created by executive and parliament working in harmony. On 29th of March UK voluntarily rips up its frictionless trade deal with the EU, and the only means of stopping it is the revoke button on the desk of the Prime Minister. Votes won on motions in parliament are meaningless because they don’t carry the power.
I See Theresa May as completely honest and completely right, it’s impossible to hit that button. The politics of revoke is that our country is tribally divided on this now, that revoke button can’t be hit in the next six months, in fact years or even decades till we come back together in agreement as a people (minus Scotland who with hard brexit will be gone by then) to the extent that button can be hit. The politics just doesn’t allow it. Opposition voices saying she can do it either disingenuous or live in La la land. Any voice saying parliament can stop it equally in la la land.
It is happening folks, the disorderly brexit with everyone blaming each other.0 -
I tell who is man of the match.FrancisUrquhart said:Jimmy strikes yet again...
That chap that's been dressed like Charlie Chaplin, replete with morning suit and waistcoat, all day.
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Explain why Labour let so many of those suspended back in on the quiet.bigjohnowls said:
Whereas those who judge him a Commie Spy a Putin Puppet a terrorist sympathiser and an Anti Semite judge him neither on his words or deeds. They just hope their pathetic smears work better than at GE 2017.ydoethur said:
Corbyn also said he didn't know Paul Eisen, didn't have a seat on a train, had a fully costed manifesto and condemned violence by all sides in Venezuela and Iran.HYUFD said:
Corbyn has now said No Deal must be ruled out and will consider EUref2 if he cannot get through his plans for a general election or permanent Customs Unionydoethur said:
That's a bit harsh, Alistair. I would have said Grieve was fairly solidly anchored in reality. Corbyn, of course, is a different matter but we all know he'll vote for No Deal anyway.AlastairMeeks said:Unicorn hunting remains as popular an activity as ever on pb. If only the EU will drop one of its constant demands since the outset on the offchance that a deal might just about be sellable to a bunch of wingnuts who are only lightly tethered to reality, it'll all be done and dusted.
I judge him by his deeds, not his words. I still say he is aiming for no deal.
IMO they would be better off developing some actual policies.
Except perhaps they are Intellectually Bankrupt and dont have an answer to Corbyns.
https://twitter.com/the_awakend/status/1029685536951345152
His own words and actions speak louder than anything you can offer to try and deflect the criticism
Oh - this is another lovely Labour member
https://order-order.com/2019/01/23/labour-candidate-tower-hamlets-fan-banned-bin-laden-hate-preacher/
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Theresa May will need to be our Gorbachev. If we do get a no deal Brexit, we may be looking at a top-down dissolution of the UK.dots said:It is happening folks, the disorderly brexit with everyone blaming each other.
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Yet the other night you said you would vote for a party led by someone who has uttered a well known anti-Semitic trope, someone who was condemned by many Jewish organisations.Floater said:
Explain why Labour let so many of those suspended back in on the quiet.bigjohnowls said:
Whereas those who judge him a Commie Spy a Putin Puppet a terrorist sympathiser and an Anti Semite judge him neither on his words or deeds. They just hope their pathetic smears work better than at GE 2017.ydoethur said:
Corbyn also said he didn't know Paul Eisen, didn't have a seat on a train, had a fully costed manifesto and condemned violence by all sides in Venezuela and Iran.HYUFD said:
Corbyn has now said No Deal must be ruled out and will consider EUref2 if he cannot get through his plans for a general election or permanent Customs Unionydoethur said:
That's a bit harsh, Alistair. I would have said Grieve was fairly solidly anchored in reality. Corbyn, of course, is a different matter but we all know he'll vote for No Deal anyway.AlastairMeeks said:Unicorn hunting remains as popular an activity as ever on pb. If only the EU will drop one of its constant demands since the outset on the offchance that a deal might just about be sellable to a bunch of wingnuts who are only lightly tethered to reality, it'll all be done and dusted.
I judge him by his deeds, not his words. I still say he is aiming for no deal.
IMO they would be better off developing some actual policies.
Except perhaps they are Intellectually Bankrupt and dont have an answer to Corbyns.
https://twitter.com/the_awakend/status/1029685536951345152
His own words and actions speak louder than anything you can offer to try and deflect the criticism
Oh - this is another lovely Labour member
https://order-order.com/2019/01/23/labour-candidate-tower-hamlets-fan-banned-bin-laden-hate-preacher/0 -
How does that compare to the £14.99 Aldi version (for which we made a one off trip to purchase a few bottles back in November).Benpointer said:
He obviously doesn't ever shop in Lidl. Bought some of this for Christmas and very delicious it was too.williamglenn said:
It was just the first example that came to mind. Here’s another one: he falsely claims Canadian ice wine is prohibited in the EU.AmpfieldAndy said:
Hardly conclusive or definitive.williamglenn said:
The deleted tweet claims we pay a 32% tariff on wine from Chile. Hannan has no passion for trade; it’s purely a prop for his 19th century revivalist act.AmpfieldAndy said:
Rubbish. Hannan is nothing of the kind. Trade is about the only thing Hannan is genuinely passionate about and he rightly sees the EU as increasingly protectionist.williamglenn said:
Hannan is a proven charlatan with no real interest in trade policy whatsoever.Philip_Thompson said:
Seems like evidence Hannan knows what he's talking about regarding potential trade opportunities and deals with nations like India.Mortimer said:
And you’re posting this to highlight that the EU have a weakness in this area? Because that’s what it shows.williamglenn said:
https://twitter.com/albertonardelli/status/785601063294476292?s=21
https://www.lidl.co.uk/en/Offers.htm?articleId=17771
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I knew he was knocking on a bit, but I thought he was more like 38.Drutt said:
Anderson currently 23-12-32-4.FrancisUrquhart said:
The alternatives are so shit, Jimmy could end up being in the team as long as her maj has been on the throne.kle4 said:
That's like asking what will happen when Her Majesty leaves us, you're not supposed to ask.FrancisUrquhart said:What will England do when jimmy Anderson’s body finally packs in?
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I fear you may be right. The only question now is when will we get the first Leaver blaming WTO rules for our suffering and saying we should have gone for an even 'cleaner' break.dots said:
I’m sorry, Tissue, OGH. All lovers of WA and FA. Being extremely on topic here, unless that deal changes quite a lot in a short space of time, in a way appearing completely unlikely, the brexiteers are not voting for it. The parliamentary Labour Party will have to disintegrate with enough voting for it, and that’s not likely either.Tissue_Price said:Also (FPT): Here's the data split by 2016 vote. The deal is acceptable to an absolute majority of Leavers, and also a majority of Remainers (once you remove DKs). The No Deal / No Brexit options are predictably polarising.
To be fair, acceptability is not quite the same as approval, but the Deal looks like the only option for moving on.
https://twitter.com/NCPoliticsUK/status/1088097071863947264
The only definition of leave left in play now is the one between Bernard Jenkins ears, because that is the law of the land, and it should be clear to all of us nothing can stop it. a law created by executive and parliament working in harmony. On 29th of March UK voluntarily rips up its frictionless trade deal with the EU, and the only means of stopping it is the revoke button on the desk of the Prime Minister. Votes won on motions in parliament are meaningless because they don’t carry the power.
I See Theresa May as completely honest and completely right, it’s impossible to hit that button. The politics of revoke is that our country is tribally divided on this now, that revoke button can’t be hit in the next six months, in fact years or even decades till we come back together in agreement as a people (minus Scotland who with hard brexit will be gone by then) to the extent that button can be hit. The politics just doesn’t allow it. Opposition voices saying she can do it either disingenuous or live in La la land. Any voice saying parliament can stop it equally in la la land.
It is happening folks, the disorderly brexit with everyone blaming each other.0 -
I got a box saying saying ‘warning. McVey Virus. Volunteer for No Deal contingency exercise now for unlock code’. 😐williamglenn said:
I hadn't clicked on it but I get a warning too...Floater said:
Nice try - nothing wrong with the link according to my softwareStark_Dawning said:
Eeek! I clicked on that and got a Norton Security (which i don't have installed) '5 Virus' warning. Site must be infected with malware. Best avoided.williamglenn said:0 -
That's a planet-sized if. Ain't happening.So you are no further forward....Jonathan said:
If May whipped any of alternatives it would beat the deal.MarqueeMark said:
You just can't tell us what it is.....Jonathan said:
Closer than the biggest defeat in history? Yes.MarqueeMark said:
Are you arguing there is a closer alternative proposal in Parliament?Jonathan said:
Are you arguing that the result in parliament was close enough for there to be another vote?HYUFD said:
May has got the only compromise the EU will give and which keeps enough Brexiteers on board, it is People's Vote diehard Remainers and 'Leave means Leave' diehard Leavers refusing to compromiseJonathan said:
May is perpetually disappointing. Rather than trying to find a compromise she has spent the week spinning against others trying to undermine them to force her deal.HYUFD said:
Or No Dealers to ransom with threats of remainJonathan said:So the government and its supporters are still holding the nation to ransom with threats of no deal.
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It seems to me there are now only two likely possibilities for the state of play on 29th March: either TMs deal (modified a bit?) will have passed and we shall have left, or we will be in the position where TMs deal (modified a bit?) is clearly in process but a delay has been permitted to get the practicalities done. Any takers?0
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This is the link to avoid.Floater said:
Nice try - nothing wrong with the link according to my softwareStark_Dawning said:
Eeek! I clicked on that and got a Norton Security (which i don't have installed) '5 Virus' warning. Site must be infected with malware. Best avoided.williamglenn said:
https://bitly.com/a/warning?hash=2S8iRvM&url=http://maielk.trade/?9642
Nothing to do with your installed software - the site is trying to dupe you into clicking on a button that will doubtless install all sorts of nasties.0 -
"The global tech war threatens the 'Westphalian order' and liberal democracy
Ambrose Evans-Pritchard in Davos"
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/business/2019/01/23/global-tech-war-threatens-westphalian-order-liberal-democracy/0 -
I just don’t see May’s deal passing. WTO terms are also unlikely to be workable as companies panic (note I don’t care I sell software in mainly dollars and euros so my income will remain consistent) so the question really is who blinks firstalgarkirk said:It seems to me there are now only two likely possibilities for the state of play on 29th March: either TMs deal (modified a bit?) will have passed and we shall have left, or we will be in the position where TMs deal (modified a bit?) is clearly in process but a delay has been permitted to get the practicalities done. Any takers?
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I started stockpiling the breathers, blood thinners and other drugs my family need last week, if any family is going to miss out it will be those who fail to realise we rip up the frictionless trade deal with EU on 29 March, it can’t be stopped, it’s the law, and a law the divided politics can’t stop.Floater said:
https://order-order.com/2019/01/22/oecd-chief-says-wto-brexit-will-seamless-low-cost/IanB2 said:Fears are growing internationally that a no-deal Brexit poses a threat to the stability of the global economy, the head of Britain’s leading business body has warned. Carolyn Fairbairn, director-general of the CBI, said the failure to sort out Britain’s departure from the European Union was damaging Britain’s brand abroad and had joined a list of systemic risks to the world economy.
I think the chaos will last more than six months, but I don’t think the chaos and pain of disorderly exit will define Brexit. there’s a lot of investment into UK not just European but further afield, and a lot of good paying jobs based on that investment. When we rip up frictionless trade with EU how much of that investment depended on being able to exploit the frictionless trade? What can be put in place to mitigate that? It is that equation in coming years that will define Brexit.0 -
And she should. I am astounded that no matter how many times the EU confirms that she was right to say they won't reopen the deal, she keeps acting like a few people softening on the deal sans a major part of it, is progress.Jonathan said:
If May whipped any of alternatives it would beat the deal.MarqueeMark said:
You just can't tell us what it is.....Jonathan said:
Closer than the biggest defeat in history? Yes.MarqueeMark said:
Are you arguing there is a closer alternative proposal in Parliament?Jonathan said:
Are you arguing that the result in parliament was close enough for there to be another vote?HYUFD said:
May has got the only compromise the EU will give and which keeps enough Brexiteers on board, it is People's Vote diehard Remainers and 'Leave means Leave' diehard Leavers refusing to compromiseJonathan said:
May is perpetually disappointing. Rather than trying to find a compromise she has spent the week spinning against others trying to undermine them to force her deal.HYUFD said:
Or No Dealers to ransom with threats of remainJonathan said:So the government and its supporters are still holding the nation to ransom with threats of no deal.
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Underlines that May is the problem.MarqueeMark said:
That's a planet-sized if. Ain't happening.So you are no further forward....Jonathan said:
If May whipped any of alternatives it would beat the deal.MarqueeMark said:
You just can't tell us what it is.....Jonathan said:
Closer than the biggest defeat in history? Yes.MarqueeMark said:
Are you arguing there is a closer alternative proposal in Parliament?Jonathan said:
Are you arguing that the result in parliament was close enough for there to be another vote?HYUFD said:
May has got the only compromise the EU will give and which keeps enough Brexiteers on board, it is People's Vote diehard Remainers and 'Leave means Leave' diehard Leavers refusing to compromiseJonathan said:
May is perpetually disappointing. Rather than trying to find a compromise she has spent the week spinning against others trying to undermine them to force her deal.HYUFD said:
Or No Dealers to ransom with threats of remainJonathan said:So the government and its supporters are still holding the nation to ransom with threats of no deal.
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Yep. 45% happy with no deal. That is the really interesting statistic.dots said:
I’m sorry, Tissue, OGH. All lovers of WA and FA. Being extremely on topic here, unless that deal changes quite a lot in a short space of time, in a way appearing completely unlikely, the brexiteers are not voting for it. The parliamentary Labour Party will have to disintegrate with enough voting for it, and that’s not likely either.Tissue_Price said:Also (FPT): Here's the data split by 2016 vote. The deal is acceptable to an absolute majority of Leavers, and also a majority of Remainers (once you remove DKs). The No Deal / No Brexit options are predictably polarising.
To be fair, acceptability is not quite the same as approval, but the Deal looks like the only option for moving on.
https://twitter.com/NCPoliticsUK/status/1088097071863947264
The only definition of leave left in play now is the one between Bernard Jenkins ears, because that is the law of the land, and it should be clear to all of us nothing can stop it. a law created by executive and parliament working in harmony. On 29th of March UK voluntarily rips up its frictionless trade deal with the EU, and the only means of stopping it is the revoke button on the desk of the Prime Minister. Votes won on motions in parliament are meaningless because they don’t carry the power.
I See Theresa May as completely honest and completely right, it’s impossible to hit that button. The politics of revoke is that our country is tribally divided on this now, that revoke button can’t be hit in the next six months, in fact years or even decades till we come back together in agreement as a people (minus Scotland who with hard brexit will be gone by then) to the extent that button can be hit. The politics just doesn’t allow it. Opposition voices saying she can do it either disingenuous or live in La la land. Any voice saying parliament can stop it equally in la la land.
It is happening folks, the disorderly brexit with everyone blaming each other.0 -
I ham slowly coming to the same conclusion. Not to worry though the leavers will have an excuse for every eventualitywilliamglenn said:
I'm starting to think it would be worth a no deal crisis just to see these people get found out.Benpointer said:
The "As it stands" gives the game away that Esther knows the writing is on the wall.williamglenn said:0 -
She’s too arrogant/stubborn/dumb . She wants everyone to move except her essentially blackmailing is to do what she wants despite it being defeated by the biggest parliamentary vote ever.kle4 said:
And she should. I am astounded that no matter how many times the EU confirms that she was right to say they won't reopen the deal, she keeps acting like a few people softening on the deal sans a major part of it, is progress.Jonathan said:
If May whipped any of alternatives it would beat the deal.MarqueeMark said:
You just can't tell us what it is.....Jonathan said:
Closer than the biggest defeat in history? Yes.MarqueeMark said:
Are you arguing there is a closer alternative proposal in Parliament?Jonathan said:
Are you arguing that the result in parliament was close enough for there to be another vote?HYUFD said:
May has got the only compromise the EU will give and which keeps enough Brexiteers on board, it is People's Vote diehard Remainers and 'Leave means Leave' diehard Leavers refusing to compromiseJonathan said:
May is perpetually disappointing. Rather than trying to find a compromise she has spent the week spinning against others trying to undermine them to force her deal.HYUFD said:
Or No Dealers to ransom with threats of remainJonathan said:So the government and its supporters are still holding the nation to ransom with threats of no deal.
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What you'd prove would be that people who do stupid nationalistic things blame the results on foreigners, not on doing stupid nationalistic things.williamglenn said:
I'm starting to think it would be worth a no deal crisis just to see these people get found out.Benpointer said:
The "As it stands" gives the game away that Esther knows the writing is on the wall.williamglenn said:
If someone knows about the First World War and still has this mindset you're not going to suddenly jolt them out of it by making their grandchildren unemployed or temporarily depriving them of cucumbers.0 -
How are you stockpiling prescription drugs?dots said:
I started stockpiling the breathers, blood thinners and other drugs my family need last week, if any family is going to miss out it will be those who fail to realise we rip up the frictionless trade deal with EU on 29 March, it can’t be stopped, it’s the law, and a law the divided politics can’t stop.Floater said:
https://order-order.com/2019/01/22/oecd-chief-says-wto-brexit-will-seamless-low-cost/IanB2 said:Fears are growing internationally that a no-deal Brexit poses a threat to the stability of the global economy, the head of Britain’s leading business body has warned. Carolyn Fairbairn, director-general of the CBI, said the failure to sort out Britain’s departure from the European Union was damaging Britain’s brand abroad and had joined a list of systemic risks to the world economy.
I think the chaos will last more than six months, but I don’t think the chaos and pain of disorderly exit will define Brexit. there’s a lot of investment into UK not just European but further afield, and a lot of good paying jobs based on that investment. When we rip up frictionless trade with EU how much of that investment depended on being able to exploit the frictionless trade? What can be put in place to mitigate that? It is that equation in coming years that will define Brexit.
Stopping taking them until brexit day?
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The issue has always been whether 'no deal' is so bad that it is worth the political consequences of not leaving.OllyT said:
I ham slowly coming to the same conclusion. Not to worry though the leavers will have an excuse for every eventualitywilliamglenn said:
I'm starting to think it would be worth a no deal crisis just to see these people get found out.Benpointer said:
The "As it stands" gives the game away that Esther knows the writing is on the wall.williamglenn said:0 -
Asking for repeat prescriptions a bit early works. I’m told.ralphmalph said:
How are you stockpiling prescription drugs?dots said:
I started stockpiling the breathers, blood thinners and other drugs my family need last week, if any family is going to miss out it will be those who fail to realise we rip up the frictionless trade deal with EU on 29 March, it can’t be stopped, it’s the law, and a law the divided politics can’t stop.Floater said:
https://order-order.com/2019/01/22/oecd-chief-says-wto-brexit-will-seamless-low-cost/IanB2 said:Fears are growing internationally that a no-deal Brexit poses a threat to the stability of the global economy, the head of Britain’s leading business body has warned. Carolyn Fairbairn, director-general of the CBI, said the failure to sort out Britain’s departure from the European Union was damaging Britain’s brand abroad and had joined a list of systemic risks to the world economy.
I think the chaos will last more than six months, but I don’t think the chaos and pain of disorderly exit will define Brexit. there’s a lot of investment into UK not just European but further afield, and a lot of good paying jobs based on that investment. When we rip up frictionless trade with EU how much of that investment depended on being able to exploit the frictionless trade? What can be put in place to mitigate that? It is that equation in coming years that will define Brexit.
Stopping taking them until brexit day?
Writing your own prescriptions?0 -
Antisemitism, by which I am especially referring to (anti) Jewish semites, has always for me been impossible to understand. That there are only a few million Jews makes it more unfathomable. I can only surmise that it's based on some kind of jealousy.Floater said:
Explain why Labour let so many of those suspended back in on the quiet.bigjohnowls said:
Whereas those who judge him a Commie Spy a Putin Puppet a terrorist sympathiser and an Anti Semite judge him neither on his words or deeds. They just hope their pathetic smears work better than at GE 2017.ydoethur said:
Corbyn also said he didn't know Paul Eisen, didn't have a seat on a train, had a fully costed manifesto and condemned violence by all sides in Venezuela and Iran.HYUFD said:
Corbyn has now said No Deal must be ruled out and will consider EUref2 if he cannot get through his plans for a general election or permanent Customs Unionydoethur said:
That's a bit harsh, Alistair. I would have said Grieve was fairly solidly anchored in reality. Corbyn, of course, is a different matter but we all know he'll vote for No Deal anyway.AlastairMeeks said:Unicorn hunting remains as popular an activity as ever on pb. If only the EU will drop one of its constant demands since the outset on the offchance that a deal might just about be sellable to a bunch of wingnuts who are only lightly tethered to reality, it'll all be done and dusted.
I judge him by his deeds, not his words. I still say he is aiming for no deal.
IMO they would be better off developing some actual policies.
Except perhaps they are Intellectually Bankrupt and dont have an answer to Corbyns.
https://twitter.com/the_awakend/status/1029685536951345152
His own words and actions speak louder than anything you can offer to try and deflect the criticism
Oh - this is another lovely Labour member
https://order-order.com/2019/01/23/labour-candidate-tower-hamlets-fan-banned-bin-laden-hate-preacher/
If any Labour member can be rigorously shown, usually by the printed word, to be antisemite, he or she should be summarily relieved of Labour party membership(. full stop) Although I am open to correction here, I think this is where Corbyn is inadequate.0 -
Being the son of a doctor also works.AlastairMeeks said:
Asking for repeat prescriptions a bit early works. I’m told.ralphmalph said:
How are you stockpiling prescription drugs?dots said:
I started stockpiling the breathers, blood thinners and other drugs my family need last week, if any family is going to miss out it will be those who fail to realise we rip up the frictionless trade deal with EU on 29 March, it can’t be stopped, it’s the law, and a law the divided politics can’t stop.Floater said:
https://order-order.com/2019/01/22/oecd-chief-says-wto-brexit-will-seamless-low-cost/IanB2 said:Fears are growing internationally that a no-deal Brexit poses a threat to the stability of the global economy, the head of Britain’s leading business body has warned. Carolyn Fairbairn, director-general of the CBI, said the failure to sort out Britain’s departure from the European Union was damaging Britain’s brand abroad and had joined a list of systemic risks to the world economy.
I think the chaos will last more than six months, but I don’t think the chaos and pain of disorderly exit will define Brexit. there’s a lot of investment into UK not just European but further afield, and a lot of good paying jobs based on that investment. When we rip up frictionless trade with EU how much of that investment depended on being able to exploit the frictionless trade? What can be put in place to mitigate that? It is that equation in coming years that will define Brexit.
Stopping taking them until brexit day?
Writing your own prescriptions?0 -
I don't get the impression that many of the hard leavers are worried about the political consequences. Or indeed any of the consequences.nielh said:
The issue has always been whether 'no deal' is so bad that it is worth the political consequences of not leaving.OllyT said:
I ham slowly coming to the same conclusion. Not to worry though the leavers will have an excuse for every eventualitywilliamglenn said:
I'm starting to think it would be worth a no deal crisis just to see these people get found out.Benpointer said:
The "As it stands" gives the game away that Esther knows the writing is on the wall.williamglenn said:0 -
It is against GMC guidance to precribe for family members, so be careful.TheScreamingEagles said:
Being the son of a doctor also works.AlastairMeeks said:
Asking for repeat prescriptions a bit early works. I’m told.ralphmalph said:
How are you stockpiling prescription drugs?dots said:
I started stockpiling the breathers, blood thinners and other drugs my family need last week, if any family is going to miss out it will be those who fail to realise we rip up the frictionless trade deal with EU on 29 March, it can’t be stopped, it’s the law, and a law the divided politics can’t stop.Floater said:
https://order-order.com/2019/01/22/oecd-chief-says-wto-brexit-will-seamless-low-cost/IanB2 said:Fears are growing internationally that a no-deal Brexit poses a threat to the stability of the global economy, the head of Britain’s leading business body has warned. Carolyn Fairbairn, director-general of the CBI, said the failure to sort out Britain’s departure from the European Union was damaging Britain’s brand abroad and had joined a list of systemic risks to the world economy.
I think the chaos will last more than six months, but I don’t think the chaos and pain of disorderly exit will define Brexit. there’s a lot of investment into UK not just European but further afield, and a lot of good paying jobs based on that investment. When we rip up frictionless trade with EU how much of that investment depended on being able to exploit the frictionless trade? What can be put in place to mitigate that? It is that equation in coming years that will define Brexit.
Stopping taking them until brexit day?
Writing your own prescriptions?
Creeping forward with repeat prescriptions is quite straightforward to stock up a few extra weeks
I cannot see this really being a problem myself.0 -
Either McVey's account has been hacked; or she's redirecting to a site that's been hacked; or she typed the wrong URL into her tweet, and some enterprising scammer snapped up the mistyped URL to put malware on. (My betting's on the latter FWIW.)Stark_Dawning said:
This is the link to avoid.Floater said:
Nice try - nothing wrong with the link according to my softwareStark_Dawning said:
Eeek! I clicked on that and got a Norton Security (which i don't have installed) '5 Virus' warning. Site must be infected with malware. Best avoided.williamglenn said:
https://bitly.com/a/warning?hash=2S8iRvM&url=http://maielk.trade/?9642
Nothing to do with your installed software - the site is trying to dupe you into clicking on a button that will doubtless install all sorts of nasties.
But it doesn't exactly augur well for those "technological solutions" that Brexiters like her claim will make the backstop unnecessary...0 -
I know, but he knows quite a lot of doctors at our local surgery, some are in fact in neighbours.Foxy said:
It is against GMC guidance to precribe for family members, so be careful.TheScreamingEagles said:
Being the son of a doctor also works.AlastairMeeks said:
Asking for repeat prescriptions a bit early works. I’m told.ralphmalph said:
How are you stockpiling prescription drugs?dots said:
I started stockpiling the breathers, blood thinners and other drugs my family need last week, if any family is going to miss out it will be those who fail to realise we rip up the frictionless trade deal with EU on 29 March, it can’t be stopped, it’s the law, and a law the divided politics can’t stop.Floater said:
https://order-order.com/2019/01/22/oecd-chief-says-wto-brexit-will-seamless-low-cost/IanB2 said:Fears are growing internationally that a no-deal Brexit poses a threat to the stability of the global economy, the head of Britain’s leading business body has warned. Carolyn Fairbairn, director-general of the CBI, said the failure to sort out Britain’s departure from the European Union was damaging Britain’s brand abroad and had joined a list of systemic risks to the world economy.
I think the chaos will last more than six months, but I don’t think the chaos and pain of disorderly exit will define Brexit. there’s a lot of investment into UK not just European but further afield, and a lot of good paying jobs based on that investment. When we rip up frictionless trade with EU how much of that investment depended on being able to exploit the frictionless trade? What can be put in place to mitigate that? It is that equation in coming years that will define Brexit.
Stopping taking them until brexit day?
Writing your own prescriptions?
Creeping forward with repeat prescriptions is quite straightforward to stock up a few extra weeks
I cannot see this really being a problem myself.
Am on about seven meds at the moment, but I'd struggle without my gabapentin 300.0 -
I am not clear on this but if no deal is off the table and the deal is off the table and there are 4 weeks remaining ( ie 26th Feb to 29th March ) to legislate I assume we automatically no deal exit
I am happy to be wrong0 -
Checking my prescription I get two months at a time and I can order a repeat prescription 1 month after the previous has been fulfilled. It states the earliest date for a repeat prescription on the prescription. If that makes sense.AlastairMeeks said:
Asking for repeat prescriptions a bit early works. I’m told.ralphmalph said:
How are you stockpiling prescription drugs?dots said:
I started stockpiling the breathers, blood thinners and other drugs my family need last week, if any family is going to miss out it will be those who fail to realise we rip up the frictionless trade deal with EU on 29 March, it can’t be stopped, it’s the law, and a law the divided politics can’t stop.Floater said:
https://order-order.com/2019/01/22/oecd-chief-says-wto-brexit-will-seamless-low-cost/IanB2 said:Fears are growing internationally that a no-deal Brexit poses a threat to the stability of the global economy, the head of Britain’s leading business body has warned. Carolyn Fairbairn, director-general of the CBI, said the failure to sort out Britain’s departure from the European Union was damaging Britain’s brand abroad and had joined a list of systemic risks to the world economy.
I think the chaos will last more than six months, but I don’t think the chaos and pain of disorderly exit will define Brexit. there’s a lot of investment into UK not just European but further afield, and a lot of good paying jobs based on that investment. When we rip up frictionless trade with EU how much of that investment depended on being able to exploit the frictionless trade? What can be put in place to mitigate that? It is that equation in coming years that will define Brexit.
Stopping taking them until brexit day?
Writing your own prescriptions?0 -
Move to what? If permanent customs union, permanent single market and EUref2 are all voted down in the Commons over the next few weeks then the Deal must be reconsidered as the only alternative to No DealJonathan said:
She’s too arrogant/stubborn/dumb . She wants everyone to move except her essentially blackmailing is to do what she wants despite it being defeated by the biggest parliamentary vote ever.kle4 said:
And she should. I am astounded that no matter how many times the EU confirms that she was right to say they won't reopen the deal, she keeps acting like a few people softening on the deal sans a major part of it, is progress.Jonathan said:
If May whipped any of alternatives it would beat the deal.MarqueeMark said:
You just can't tell us what it is.....Jonathan said:
Closer than the biggest defeat in history? Yes.MarqueeMark said:
Are you arguing there is a closer alternative proposal in Parliament?Jonathan said:
Are you arguing that the result in parliament was close enough for there to be another vote?HYUFD said:
May has got the only compromise the EU will give and which keeps enough Brexiteers on board, it is People's Vote diehard Remainers and 'Leave means Leave' diehard Leavers refusing to compromiseJonathan said:
May is perpetually disappointing. Rather than trying to find a compromise she has spent the week spinning against others trying to undermine them to force her deal.HYUFD said:
Or No Dealers to ransom with threats of remainJonathan said:So the government and its supporters are still holding the nation to ransom with threats of no deal.
Nothing
Has
Changed.0 -
You are highly selective about what can be reconsidered. Why should only the deal be conveniently revived? Why not another less heavily defeated option.HYUFD said:
Move to what? If permanent customs union, permanent single market and EUref2 are all voted down in the Commons over the next few weeks then the Deal must be reconsidered as the only alternative to No DealJonathan said:
She’s too arrogant/stubborn/dumb . She wants everyone to move except her essentially blackmailing is to do what she wants despite it being defeated by the biggest parliamentary vote ever.kle4 said:
And she should. I am astounded that no matter how many times the EU confirms that she was right to say they won't reopen the deal, she keeps acting like a few people softening on the deal sans a major part of it, is progress.Jonathan said:
If May whipped any of alternatives it would beat the deal.MarqueeMark said:
You just can't tell us what it is.....Jonathan said:
Closer than the biggest defeat in history? Yes.MarqueeMark said:
Are you arguing there is a closer alternative proposal in Parliament?Jonathan said:
Are you arguing that the result in parliament was close enough for there to be another vote?HYUFD said:
May has got the only compromise the EU will give and which keeps enough Brexiteers on board, it is People's Vote diehard Remainers and 'Leave means Leave' diehard Leavers refusing to compromiseJonathan said:
May is perpetually disappointing. Rather than trying to find a compromise she has spent the week spinning against others trying to undermine them to force her deal.HYUFD said:
Or No Dealers to ransom with threats of remainJonathan said:So the government and its supporters are still holding the nation to ransom with threats of no deal.
Nothing
Has
Changed.0 -
Which is the less heavily defeated option. We have only had one voted on so farJonathan said:
You are highly selective about what can be reconsidered. Why should only the deal be conveniently revived? Why not another less heavily defeated option.HYUFD said:
Move to what? If permanent customs union, permanent single market and EUref2 are all voted down in the Commons over the next few weeks then the Deal must be reconsidered as the only alternative to No DealJonathan said:
She’s too arrogant/stubborn/dumb . She wants everyone to move except her essentially blackmailing is to do what she wants despite it being defeated by the biggest parliamentary vote ever.kle4 said:
And she should. I am astounded that no matter how many times the EU confirms that she was right to say they won't reopen the deal, she keeps acting like a few people softening on the deal sans a major part of it, is progress.Jonathan said:
If May whipped any of alternatives it would beat the deal.MarqueeMark said:
You just can't tell us what it is.....Jonathan said:
Closer than the biggest defeat in history? Yes.MarqueeMark said:
Are you arguing there is a closer alternative proposal in Parliament?Jonathan said:
Are you arguing that the result in parliament was close enough for there to be another vote?HYUFD said:
May has got the only compromise the EU will give and which keeps enough Brexiteers on board, it is People's Vote diehard Remainers and 'Leave means Leave' diehard Leavers refusing to compromiseJonathan said:
May is perpetually disappointing. Rather than trying to find a compromise she has spent the week spinning against others trying to undermine them to force her deal.HYUFD said:
Or No Dealers to ransom with threats of remainJonathan said:So the government and its supporters are still holding the nation to ransom with threats of no deal.
Nothing
Has
Changed.0 -
The political consequences of "no deal" would fall on such as Soubry, Grieve and the bulk of the Labour Party who voted to trigger A50 in the first place.IanB2 said:
I don't get the impression that many of the hard leavers are worried about the political consequences. Or indeed any of the consequences.nielh said:
The issue has always been whether 'no deal' is so bad that it is worth the political consequences of not leaving.OllyT said:
I ham slowly coming to the same conclusion. Not to worry though the leavers will have an excuse for every eventualitywilliamglenn said:
I'm starting to think it would be worth a no deal crisis just to see these people get found out.Benpointer said:
The "As it stands" gives the game away that Esther knows the writing is on the wall.williamglenn said:0 -
Luke Johnson, the multimillionaire chairman of collapsed cafe chain Patisserie Valerie, has extracted more than £40m from the business since the cafe group floated on the stock market less than five years ago.
https://www.theguardian.com/business/2019/jan/23/patisserie-valerie-cafes-shut-old-compton-street-london
What a disgraceful headline / first paragraph. They make it sound like he was up to no good “extracting” money out of the company, when he was just selling some shares and in fact has just lost £13 million of it back and all because it appears a large scale accounting fraud occurred which was nothing to do with him.0 -
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48:52Big_G_NorthWales said:
Which is the less heavily defeated option. We have only had one voted on so farJonathan said:
You are highly selective about what can be reconsidered. Why should only the deal be conveniently revived? Why not another less heavily defeated option.HYUFD said:
Move to what? If permanent customs union, permanent single market and EUref2 are all voted down in the Commons over the next few weeks then the Deal must be reconsidered as the only alternative to No DealJonathan said:
She’s too arrogant/stubborn/dumb . She wants everyone to move except her essentially blackmailing is to do what she wants despite it being defeated by the biggest parliamentary vote ever.kle4 said:
And she should. I am astounded that no matter how many times the EU confirms that she was right to say they won't reopen the deal, she keeps acting like a few people softening on the deal sans a major part of it, is progress.Jonathan said:
If May whipped any of alternatives it would beat the deal.MarqueeMark said:
You just can't tell us what it is.....Jonathan said:
Closer than the biggest defeat in history? Yes.MarqueeMark said:
Are you arguing there is a closer alternative proposal in Parliament?Jonathan said:
Are you arguing that the result in parliament was close enough for there to be another vote?HYUFD said:
May has got the only compromise the EU will give and which keeps enough Brexiteers on board, it is People's Vote diehard Remainers and 'Leave means Leave' diehard Leavers refusing to compromiseJonathan said:
May is perpetually disappointing. Rather than trying to find a compromise she has spent the week spinning against others trying to undermine them to force her deal.HYUFD said:
Or No Dealers to ransom with threats of remainJonathan said:So the government and its supporters are still holding the nation to ransom with threats of no deal.
Nothing
Has
Changed.0 -
Well.. it is the Gruainiad.FrancisUrquhart said:Luke Johnson, the multimillionaire chairman of collapsed cafe chain Patisserie Valerie, has extracted more than £40m from the business since the cafe group floated on the stock market less than five years ago.
https://www.theguardian.com/business/2019/jan/23/patisserie-valerie-cafes-shut-old-compton-street-london
What a disgraceful headline / first paragraph. They make it sound like he was up to no good “extracting” money out of the company, when he was just selling some shares and in fact has just lost £13 million of it back and all because it appears a large scale accounting fraud occurred which was nothing to do with him.0 -
Rubbish.No_Offence_Alan said:
The political consequences of "no deal" would fall on such as Soubry, Grieve and the bulk of the Labour Party who voted to trigger A50 in the first place.IanB2 said:
I don't get the impression that many of the hard leavers are worried about the political consequences. Or indeed any of the consequences.nielh said:
The issue has always been whether 'no deal' is so bad that it is worth the political consequences of not leaving.OllyT said:
I ham slowly coming to the same conclusion. Not to worry though the leavers will have an excuse for every eventualitywilliamglenn said:
I'm starting to think it would be worth a no deal crisis just to see these people get found out.Benpointer said:
The "As it stands" gives the game away that Esther knows the writing is on the wall.williamglenn said:0 -
nielh said:
The issue has always been whether 'no deal' is so bad that it is worth the political consequences of not leaving.OllyT said:
I ham slowly coming to the same conclusion. Not to worry though the leavers will have an excuse for every eventualitywilliamglenn said:
I'm starting to think it would be worth a no deal crisis just to see these people get found out.Benpointer said:
The "As it stands" gives the game away that Esther knows the writing is on the wall.williamglenn said:
The hardliners have used the fact that most people would wish to honour the referendum result to manoeuvre us into a type of Brexit that would almost certainly have seen them lose the referendum if they had been honest and upfront about their intentions during the campaign.nielh said:
The issue has always been whether 'no deal' is so bad that it is worth the political consequences of not leaving.OllyT said:
I ham slowly coming to the same conclusion. Not to worry though the leavers will have an excuse for every eventualitywilliamglenn said:
I'm starting to think it would be worth a no deal crisis just to see these people get found out.Benpointer said:
The "As it stands" gives the game away that Esther knows the writing is on the wall.williamglenn said:
Clever but duplicitous. So if the country wants to leave on WTO terms then so be it. There won't be much sympathy in this household if the warnings are accurate. Sadly those that suffer the financial consequences won't be the Moggs and Johnsons of this world.0 -
Every step that has been undertaken, leave and remain, has been heavily trailed in the media, even one on one Cabinet discussions are, what counts as secret in this context?TheScreamingEagles said:-1 -
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It would fall on the whole political establishment. No one gets a pass on thisGallowgate said:
Rubbish.No_Offence_Alan said:
The political consequences of "no deal" would fall on such as Soubry, Grieve and the bulk of the Labour Party who voted to trigger A50 in the first place.IanB2 said:
I don't get the impression that many of the hard leavers are worried about the political consequences. Or indeed any of the consequences.nielh said:
The issue has always been whether 'no deal' is so bad that it is worth the political consequences of not leaving.OllyT said:
I ham slowly coming to the same conclusion. Not to worry though the leavers will have an excuse for every eventualitywilliamglenn said:
I'm starting to think it would be worth a no deal crisis just to see these people get found out.Benpointer said:
The "As it stands" gives the game away that Esther knows the writing is on the wall.williamglenn said:0 -
Big_G_NorthWales said:
It would fall on the whole political establishment. No one gets a pass on thisGallowgate said:
Rubbish.No_Offence_Alan said:
The political consequences of "no deal" would fall on such as Soubry, Grieve and the bulk of the Labour Party who voted to trigger A50 in the first place.IanB2 said:
I don't get the impression that many of the hard leavers are worried about the political consequences. Or indeed any of the consequences.nielh said:
The issue has always been whether 'no deal' is so bad that it is worth the political consequences of not leaving.OllyT said:
I ham slowly coming to the same conclusion. Not to worry though the leavers will have an excuse for every eventualitywilliamglenn said:
I'm starting to think it would be worth a no deal crisis just to see these people get found out.Benpointer said:
The "As it stands" gives the game away that Esther knows the writing is on the wall.williamglenn said:
The SNP will certainly get a pass. The whole debacle makes their point for them. Westminster/Whitehall is broken.Big_G_NorthWales said:
It would fall on the whole political establishmentz. No one gets a pass on thisGallowgate said:
Rubbish.No_Offence_Alan said:
The political consequences of "no deal" would fall on such as Soubry, Grieve and the bulk of the Labour Party who voted to trigger A50 in the first place.IanB2 said:
I don't get the impression that many of the hard leavers are worried about the political consequences. Or indeed any of the consequences.nielh said:
The issue has always been whether 'no deal' is so bad that it is worth the political consequences of not leaving.OllyT said:
I ham slowly coming to the same conclusion. Not to worry though the leavers will have an excuse for every eventualitywilliamglenn said:
I'm starting to think it would be worth a no deal crisis just to see these people get found out.Benpointer said:
The "As it stands" gives the game away that Esther knows the writing is on the wall.williamglenn said:0 -
The timing of the EU and its various establishments and institutions, can at times be exceptional indeed, as the ECJ case on A50 shows.Scott_P said:0 -
Some more than others. People are not about to start voting for entirely new parties en masse, so they'll have to make the same judgement of least worst.Big_G_NorthWales said:
It would fall on the whole political establishment. No one gets a pass on thisGallowgate said:
Rubbish.No_Offence_Alan said:
The political consequences of "no deal" would fall on such as Soubry, Grieve and the bulk of the Labour Party who voted to trigger A50 in the first place.IanB2 said:
I don't get the impression that many of the hard leavers are worried about the political consequences. Or indeed any of the consequences.nielh said:
The issue has always been whether 'no deal' is so bad that it is worth the political consequences of not leaving.OllyT said:
I ham slowly coming to the same conclusion. Not to worry though the leavers will have an excuse for every eventualitywilliamglenn said:
I'm starting to think it would be worth a no deal crisis just to see these people get found out.Benpointer said:
The "As it stands" gives the game away that Esther knows the writing is on the wall.williamglenn said:0 -
It depends on the numbers, the Deal could even have got more votes than the alternatives.Jonathan said:
You are highly selective about what can be reconsidered. Why should only the deal be conveniently revived? Why not another less heavily defeated option.HYUFD said:
Move to what? If permanent customs union, permanent single market and EUref2 are all voted down in the Commons over the next few weeks then the Deal must be reconsidered as the only alternative to No DealJonathan said:
She’s too arrogant/stubborn/dumb . She wants everyone to move except her essentially blackmailing is to do what she wants despite it being defeated by the biggest parliamentary vote ever.kle4 said:
And she should. I am astounded that no matter how many times the EU confirms that she was right to say they won't reopen the deal, she keeps acting like a few people softening on the deal sans a major part of it, is progress.Jonathan said:
If May whipped any of alternatives it would beat the deal.MarqueeMark said:
You just can't tell us what it is.....Jonathan said:
Closer than the biggest defeat in history? Yes.MarqueeMark said:
Are you arguing there is a closer alternative proposal in Parliament?Jonathan said:
Are you arguing that the result in parliament was close enough for there to be another vote?HYUFD said:
May has got the only compromise the EU will give and which keeps enough Brexiteers on board, it is People's Vote diehard Remainers and 'Leave means Leave' diehard Leavers refusing to compromiseJonathan said:
If not, most No Dealers may switch to the Deal to give the Deal a narrow majority rather than risk allowing permanent Customs Union/Single Market or Remain v Deal EUref2 getting a narrow majority on a second vote
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The SNP will certainly get a pass. The whole debacle makes their point for them. Westminster/Whitehall is broken.Big_G_NorthWales said:
It would fall on the whole political establishmentz. No one gets a pass on thisGallowgate said:
Rubbish.No_Offence_Alan said:
The political consequences of "no deal" would fall on such as Soubry, Grieve and the bulk of the Labour Party who voted to trigger A50 in the first place.IanB2 said:
I don't get the impression that many of the hard leavers are worried about the political consequences. Or indeed any of the consequences.nielh said:
The issue has always been whether 'no deal' is so bad that it is worth the political consequences of not leaving.OllyT said:
I ham slowly coming to the same conclusion. Not to worry though the leavers will have an excuse for every eventualitywilliamglenn said:
I'm starting to think it would be worth a no deal crisis just to see these people get found out.Benpointer said:
The "As it stands" gives the game away that Esther knows the writing the wall.williamglenn said:
Not really. They are doing everything to stop a UK wide referendum being carried out0 -
This is the same stuff we had all Autumn and over Xmas. Nothing has changed.HYUFD said:
It depends on the numbers, the Deal could even get more votes than the alternatives.Jonathan said:
You are highly selective about what can be reconsidered. Why should only the deal be conveniently revived? Why not another less heavily defeated option.HYUFD said:
Move to what? If permanent customs union, permanent single market and EUref2 are all voted down in the Commons over the next few weeks then the Deal must be reconsidered as the only alternative to No DealJonathan said:
She’s too arrogant/stubborn/dumb . She wants everyone to move except her essentially blackmailing is to do what she wants despite it being defeated by the biggest parliamentary vote ever.kle4 said:
And she should. I am astounded that no matter how many times the EU confirms that she was right to say they won't reopen the deal, she keeps acting like a few people softening on the deal sans a major part of it, is progress.Jonathan said:
If May whipped any of alternatives it would beat the deal.MarqueeMark said:
You just can't tell us what it is.....Jonathan said:
Closer than the biggest defeat in history? Yes.MarqueeMark said:
Are you arguing there is a closer alternative proposal in Parliament?Jonathan said:
Are you arguing that the result in parliament was close enough for there to be another vote?HYUFD said:
May has got the only compromise the EU will give and which keeps enough Brexiteers on board, it is People's Vote diehard Remainers and 'Leave means Leave' diehard Leavers refusing to compromiseJonathan said:
May is perpetually disappointing. Rather than trying to find a compromise she has spent the week spinning against others trying to undermine them to force her deal.HYUFD said:
Or No Dealers to ransom with threats of remainJonathan said:So the government and its supporters are still holding the nation to ransom with threats of no deal.
Nothing
Has
Changed.
If not, No Dealers may switch to the Deal to give the Deal a narrow majority rather than risk allowing permanent Customs Union/Single Market or Remain v EUref2 getting a narrow majority on a second vote0 -
Ah, but now it will be different because...because it will, ok? They had no pressure then, and so much time, and it's not like parliamentarians are getting ready to give themselves more time and less pressure now.Jonathan said:This is the same stuff we had all Autumn and over Xmas. Nothing has changed.
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Everything will have changed once the SM/CU and EUref2 votes have been held, then if they have been defeated too the Deal comes back into play, while if they are only narrowly defeated No Dealers will start to switch to the Deal to avoid BINO or Remain v Deal EUref2 on a second voteJonathan said:
This is the same stuff we had all Autumn and over Xmas. Nothing has changed.HYUFD said:
It depends on the numbers, the Deal could even get more votes than the alternatives.Jonathan said:
You are highly selective about what cer less heavily defeated option.HYUFD said:
Move to what? If permanent customs union, permanent single market and EUref2 are all voted down in the Commons over the next few weeks then the Deal must be reconsidered as the only alternative to No DealJonathan said:
She’s too arrogant/stubborn/dumb . She wants everyone to move except her essentially blackmailing is to do what she wants despite it being defeated by the biggest parliamentary vote ever.kle4 said:
And she should. I am astoundprogress.Jonathan said:
If May whipped any of alternatives it would beat the deal.MarqueeMark said:
You just can't tell us what it is.....Jonathan said:
Closer than the biggest defeat in history? Yes.MarqueeMark said:
Are you arguing there is a closer alternative proposal in Parliament?Jonathan said:
Are you arguing that the result in parliament was close enough for there to be another vote?HYUFD said:
May has got the only compromise the EU will give and which keeps enough Brexiteers on board, it is People's Vote diehard Remainers and 'Leave means Leave' diehard Leavers refusing to compromiseJonathan said:
May is perpetually disappointing. Rather than trying to find a compromise she has spent the week spinning against others trying to undermine them to force her deal.HYUFD said:
Or No Dealers to ransom with threats of remainJonathan said:So the government and its supporters are still holding the nation to ransom with threats of no deal.
Nothing
Has
Changed.
If not, No Dealers may s0 -
Bohemian Rhapsody director Bryan Singer has reportedly been accused of sexually assaulting and sleeping with a string of under-age boys.
The allegations come from an article in The Atlantic, which quotes four men who it says haven't spoken publicly before.0 -
Ahh - I just looked at the video - well done for pointing out anything else which would impact peoples systemsStark_Dawning said:
This is the link to avoid.Floater said:
Nice try - nothing wrong with the link according to my softwareStark_Dawning said:
Eeek! I clicked on that and got a Norton Security (which i don't have installed) '5 Virus' warning. Site must be infected with malware. Best avoided.williamglenn said:
https://bitly.com/a/warning?hash=2S8iRvM&url=http://maielk.trade/?9642
Nothing to do with your installed software - the site is trying to dupe you into clicking on a button that will doubtless install all sorts of nasties.0 -
Not the first time with such accusations. Wasn't he kicked off working on the movie part way through or something?FrancisUrquhart said:Bohemian Rhapsody director Bryan Singer has reportedly been accused of sexually assaulting and sleeping with a string of under-age boys.
The allegations come from an article in The Atlantic, which quotes four men who it says haven't spoken publicly before.0 -
The point of not making any preparation for two years was to make it so bad, by default. The real worry should for those complicit in this, if we still somehow No Deal Brexit with hardly any planning. Any other sphere of public life, they'd probably be facing criminal charges.nielh said:
The issue has always been whether 'no deal' is so bad that it is worth the political consequences of not leaving.OllyT said:
I ham slowly coming to the same conclusion. Not to worry though the leavers will have an excuse for every eventualitywilliamglenn said:
I'm starting to think it would be worth a no deal crisis just to see these people get found out.Benpointer said:
The "As it stands" gives the game away that Esther knows the writing is on the wall.williamglenn said:0 -
If labour are perceived to be trying to block brexit they will pay a heavy price in leave voting areas0
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Get to Know WTO?Floater said:
Ahh - I just looked at the video - well done for pointing out anything else which would impact peoples systemsStark_Dawning said:
This is the link to avoid.Floater said:
Nice try - nothing wrong with the link according to my softwareStark_Dawning said:
Eeek! I clicked on that and got a Norton Security (which i don't have installed) '5 Virus' warning. Site must be infected with malware. Best avoided.williamglenn said:
https://bitly.com/a/warning?hash=2S8iRvM&url=http://maielk.trade/?9642
Nothing to do with your installed software - the site is trying to dupe you into clicking on a button that will doubtless install all sorts of nasties.
These people are insane.
Bring back Thatcher.0 -
Good of the Telegraph to explain that 19 is nearly 20, though.kle4 said:
Every step that has been undertaken, leave and remain, has been heavily trailed in the media, even one on one Cabinet discussions are, what counts as secret in this context?TheScreamingEagles said:0 -
He was but I believe that was to do with the way he was treating the actors and crew and also because he went absent for a few days which held up shooting.kle4 said:
Not the first time with such accusations. Wasn't he kicked off working on the movie part way through or something?FrancisUrquhart said:Bohemian Rhapsody director Bryan Singer has reportedly been accused of sexually assaulting and sleeping with a string of under-age boys.
The allegations come from an article in The Atlantic, which quotes four men who it says haven't spoken publicly before.
On the sex accusations apparently the courts threw out the most high profile case as being completely groundless. One of the claims was that Singer had assaulted sexually someone in Hawaii and Singer could show he wasn't even on the Islands at the time.0 -
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Not. First law of politics: the government is to blame.No_Offence_Alan said:
The political consequences of "no deal" would fall on such as Soubry, Grieve and the bulk of the Labour Party who voted to trigger A50 in the first place.IanB2 said:
I don't get the impression that many of the hard leavers are worried about the political consequences. Or indeed any of the consequences.nielh said:
The issue has always been whether 'no deal' is so bad that it is worth the political consequences of not leaving.OllyT said:
I ham slowly coming to the same conclusion. Not to worry though the leavers will have an excuse for every eventualitywilliamglenn said:
I'm starting to think it would be worth a no deal crisis just to see these people get found out.Benpointer said:
The "As it stands" gives the game away that Esther knows the writing is on the wall.williamglenn said:0 -
And if they refuse to back EUref2 with a Remain option they will pay a heavy price in urban voting Remain areasBig_G_NorthWales said:If labour are perceived to be trying to block brexit they will pay a heavy price in leave voting areas
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Bet the ERG tweeps are feeling pretty sick tonight. In their endless search for the purist unicorn known to man they have probably thrown their precious away.TheScreamingEagles said:0 -
Ironically Cooper's amendment may facilitate Brexit, by making Brexiteers settle for May's deal.Big_G_NorthWales said:If labour are perceived to be trying to block brexit they will pay a heavy price in leave voting areas
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To be honest just pass the deal and lets move onNickPalmer said:
Ironically Cooper's amendment may facilitate Brexit, by making Brexiteers settle for May's deal.Big_G_NorthWales said:If labour are perceived to be trying to block brexit they will pay a heavy price in leave voting areas
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Amber Rudd must know now she is toast at the next GE. A tiny majority and a constituency that voted Leave. Maybe she is hoping if we stay in she can get some sort of position in Brussels.kle4 said:
Every step that has been undertaken, leave and remain, has been heavily trailed in the media, even one on one Cabinet discussions are, what counts as secret in this context?TheScreamingEagles said:0 -
Her constituency is majority Remain now, not that in makes much difference to FPTP politics.Richard_Tyndall said:
Amber Rudd must know now she is toast at the next GE. A tiny majority and a constituency that voted Leave. Maybe she is hoping if we stay in she can get some sort of position in Brussels.kle4 said:
Every step that has been undertaken, leave and remain, has been heavily trailed in the media, even one on one Cabinet discussions are, what counts as secret in this context?TheScreamingEagles said:0 -
Presumably those people who are classifying the Mail as an unreliable source will be all over this.FrancisUrquhart said:Luke Johnson, the multimillionaire chairman of collapsed cafe chain Patisserie Valerie, has extracted more than £40m from the business since the cafe group floated on the stock market less than five years ago.
https://www.theguardian.com/business/2019/jan/23/patisserie-valerie-cafes-shut-old-compton-street-london
What a disgraceful headline / first paragraph. They make it sound like he was up to no good “extracting” money out of the company, when he was just selling some shares and in fact has just lost £13 million of it back and all because it appears a large scale accounting fraud occurred which was nothing to do with him.0 -
I have been refused meds in the past on the basis that I had been given some only a week or two previously and should have enough for a month.ralphmalph said:
Checking my prescription I get two months at a time and I can order a repeat prescription 1 month after the previous has been fulfilled. It states the earliest date for a repeat prescription on the prescription. If that makes sense.AlastairMeeks said:
Asking for repeat prescriptions a bit early works. I’m told.ralphmalph said:
How are you stockpiling prescription drugs?dots said:
I started stockpiling the breathers, blood thinners and other drugs my family need last week, if any family is going to miss out it will be those who fail to realise we rip up the frictionless trade deal with EU on 29 March, it can’t be stopped, it’s the law, and a law the divided politics can’t stop.Floater said:
https://order-order.com/2019/01/22/oecd-chief-says-wto-brexit-will-seamless-low-cost/IanB2 said:Fears are growing internationally that a no-deal Brexit poses a threat to the stability of the global economy, the head of Britain’s leading business body has warned. Carolyn Fairbairn, director-general of the CBI, said the failure to sort out Britain’s departure from the European Union was damaging Britain’s brand abroad and had joined a list of systemic risks to the world economy.
I think the chaos will last more than six months, but I don’t think the chaos and pain of disorderly exit will define Brexit. there’s a lot of investment into UK not just European but further afield, and a lot of good paying jobs based on that investment. When we rip up frictionless trade with EU how much of that investment depended on being able to exploit the frictionless trade? What can be put in place to mitigate that? It is that equation in coming years that will define Brexit.
Stopping taking them until brexit day?
Writing your own prescriptions?
Like all things NHS, this is probably entirely dependent on your GP, Clinic Commissing Group etc etc.0 -
But will it put pressure on Labour MPs in Leave constituencies to support May's Deal? That's the issue.NickPalmer said:
Ironically Cooper's amendment may facilitate Brexit, by making Brexiteers settle for May's deal.Big_G_NorthWales said:If labour are perceived to be trying to block brexit they will pay a heavy price in leave voting areas
They'll get both Brexit and their wished-for election, when the DUP pulls the plug in a subsequent VONC....0 -
Believing those opinion polls again William. I would have thought you would have learnt your lesson by now.williamglenn said:
Her constituency is majority Remain now, not that in makes much difference to FPTP politics.Richard_Tyndall said:
Amber Rudd must know now she is toast at the next GE. A tiny majority and a constituency that voted Leave. Maybe she is hoping if we stay in she can get some sort of position in Brussels.kle4 said:
Every step that has been undertaken, leave and remain, has been heavily trailed in the media, even one on one Cabinet discussions are, what counts as secret in this context?TheScreamingEagles said:0 -
It's a personal worry for me too - one of my prescriptions is only made in Germany right now. Like many others I am ordering ahead to build up a stock.TheScreamingEagles said:
I know, but he knows quite a lot of doctors at our local surgery, some are in fact in neighbours.Foxy said:
It is against GMC guidance to precribe for family members, so be careful.TheScreamingEagles said:
Being the son of a doctor also works.AlastairMeeks said:
Asking for repeat prescriptions a bit early works. I’m told.ralphmalph said:
How are you stockpiling prescription drugs?dots said:
I started stockpiling the breathers, blood thinners and other drugs my family need last week, if any family is going to miss out it will be those who fail to realise we rip up the frictionless trade deal with EU on 29 March, it can’t be stopped, it’s the law, and a law the divided politics can’t stop.Floater said:
https://order-order.com/2019/01/22/oecd-chief-says-wto-brexit-will-seamless-low-cost/IanB2 said:Fears are growing internationally that a no-deal Brexit poses a threat to the stability of the global economy, the head of Britain’s leading business body has warned. Carolyn Fairbairn, director-general of the CBI, said the failure to sort out Britain’s departure from the European Union was damaging Britain’s brand abroad and had joined a list of systemic risks to the world economy.
I think the chaos will last more than six months, but I don’t think the chaos and pain of disorderly exit will define Brexit. there’s a lot of investment into UK not just European but further afield, and a lot of good paying jobs based on that investment. When we rip up frictionless trade with EU how much of that investment depended on being able to exploit the frictionless trade? What can be put in place to mitigate that? It is that equation in coming years that will define Brexit.
Stopping taking them until brexit day?
Writing your own prescriptions?
Creeping forward with repeat prescriptions is quite straightforward to stock up a few extra weeks
I cannot see this really being a problem myself.
Am on about seven meds at the moment, but I'd struggle without my gabapentin 300.
Still I'm greatly reassured by all those Brexiteers telling us that all will be fine even if we crash-out with no deal.0 -
May's Deal doesn't pass unless she gets the DUP on the ship. Somehow.MarqueeMark said:
But will it put pressure on Labour MPs in Leave constituencies to support May's Deal? That's the issue.NickPalmer said:
Ironically Cooper's amendment may facilitate Brexit, by making Brexiteers settle for May's deal.Big_G_NorthWales said:If labour are perceived to be trying to block brexit they will pay a heavy price in leave voting areas
They'll get both Brexit and their wished-for election, when the DUP pulls the plug in a subsequent VONC....0 -
When does the panic buying start?
Can't be too many days now.0 -
She's doing exactly what you say you want MPs to do: using her own, well-informed judgement as to what is best for the country, even if it's not party policy.Richard_Tyndall said:Amber Rudd must know now she is toast at the next GE. A tiny majority and a constituency that voted Leave. Maybe she is hoping if we stay in she can get some sort of position in Brussels.
As for whether she's toast at the next GE or not, who knows? Ladbrokes doesn't seem to think so. I shall certainly be doing my best to help ensure she's re-elected, as will many other Conservative supporters.0 -
Persuade Sinn Fein to take their seats and back the deal.rottenborough said:
May's Deal doesn't pass unless she gets the DUP on the ship. Somehow.MarqueeMark said:
But will it put pressure on Labour MPs in Leave constituencies to support May's Deal? That's the issue.NickPalmer said:
Ironically Cooper's amendment may facilitate Brexit, by making Brexiteers settle for May's deal.Big_G_NorthWales said:If labour are perceived to be trying to block brexit they will pay a heavy price in leave voting areas
They'll get both Brexit and their wished-for election, when the DUP pulls the plug in a subsequent VONC....0 -
Why, do you think the article conatins any lies?Richard_Nabavi said:
Presumably those people who are classifying the Mail as an unreliable source will be all over this.FrancisUrquhart said:Luke Johnson, the multimillionaire chairman of collapsed cafe chain Patisserie Valerie, has extracted more than £40m from the business since the cafe group floated on the stock market less than five years ago.
https://www.theguardian.com/business/2019/jan/23/patisserie-valerie-cafes-shut-old-compton-street-london
What a disgraceful headline / first paragraph. They make it sound like he was up to no good “extracting” money out of the company, when he was just selling some shares and in fact has just lost £13 million of it back and all because it appears a large scale accounting fraud occurred which was nothing to do with him.0 -
I imagine a whole bunch of her activists from 2017 will now melt away....not to mention the Leave voters. I won't be voting Wollaston in Totnes and I sure as hell wouldn't be voting for Rudd if I lived in Hastings, even if it means Labour wins the seat. And I can't see a raft of 2017 Labour voters switching Tory to express their gratitude to her.williamglenn said:
Her constituency is majority Remain now, not that in makes much difference to FPTP politics.Richard_Tyndall said:
Amber Rudd must know now she is toast at the next GE. A tiny majority and a constituency that voted Leave. Maybe she is hoping if we stay in she can get some sort of position in Brussels.kle4 said:
Every step that has been undertaken, leave and remain, has been heavily trailed in the media, even one on one Cabinet discussions are, what counts as secret in this context?TheScreamingEagles said:0 -
No, just deliberately misleading language designed to stir up hatred. Which is exactly what the Mail does.Benpointer said:
Why, do you think the article conatins any lies?Richard_Nabavi said:
Presumably those people who are classifying the Mail as an unreliable source will be all over this.FrancisUrquhart said:Luke Johnson, the multimillionaire chairman of collapsed cafe chain Patisserie Valerie, has extracted more than £40m from the business since the cafe group floated on the stock market less than five years ago.
https://www.theguardian.com/business/2019/jan/23/patisserie-valerie-cafes-shut-old-compton-street-london
What a disgraceful headline / first paragraph. They make it sound like he was up to no good “extracting” money out of the company, when he was just selling some shares and in fact has just lost £13 million of it back and all because it appears a large scale accounting fraud occurred which was nothing to do with him.0 -
I would if I could. She voted for the deal and will so againRichard_Nabavi said:
She's doing exactly what you say you want MPs to do: using her own, well-informed judgement as to what is best for the country, even if it's not party policy.Richard_Tyndall said:Amber Rudd must know now she is toast at the next GE. A tiny majority and a constituency that voted Leave. Maybe she is hoping if we stay in she can get some sort of position in Brussels.
As for whether she's toast at the next GE or not, who knows? Ladbrokes doesn't seem to think so. I shall certainly be doing my best to help ensure she's re-elected, as will many other Conservative supporters.0 -
Hastings is moving away from the Tories for demographic reasons, similar to Hove and Brighton Pavilion. Even if the Tories win a majority next time they could lose the seat.MarqueeMark said:
I imagine a whole bunch of her activists from 2017 will now melt away....not to mention the Leave voters. I won't be voting Wollaston in Totnes and I sure as hell wouldn't be voting for Rudd if I lived in Hastings, even if it means Labour wins the seat. And I can't see a raft of 2017 Labour voters switching Tory to express their gratitude to her.williamglenn said:
Her constituency is majority Remain now, not that in makes much difference to FPTP politics.Richard_Tyndall said:
Amber Rudd must know now she is toast at the next GE. A tiny majority and a constituency that voted Leave. Maybe she is hoping if we stay in she can get some sort of position in Brussels.kle4 said:
Every step that has been undertaken, leave and remain, has been heavily trailed in the media, even one on one Cabinet discussions are, what counts as secret in this context?TheScreamingEagles said:0 -
rottenborough said:
Have we done this one?
https://twitter.com/oflynnmep/status/1088173200532561927
I confess I didn't appreciate the SDP was still a thing.0 -
Seems like the whole of Northern Ireland backs the deal but for the 10 DUP mpsTheScreamingEagles said:
Persuade Sinn Fein to take their seats and back the deal.rottenborough said:
May's Deal doesn't pass unless she gets the DUP on the ship. Somehow.MarqueeMark said:
But will it put pressure on Labour MPs in Leave constituencies to support May's Deal? That's the issue.NickPalmer said:
Ironically Cooper's amendment may facilitate Brexit, by making Brexiteers settle for May's deal.Big_G_NorthWales said:If labour are perceived to be trying to block brexit they will pay a heavy price in leave voting areas
They'll get both Brexit and their wished-for election, when the DUP pulls the plug in a subsequent VONC....0 -
Be careful what you wish for...MarqueeMark said:
I imagine a whole bunch of her activists from 2017 will now melt away....not to mention the Leave voters. I won't be voting Wollaston in Totnes and I sure as hell wouldn't be voting for Rudd if I lived in Hastings, even if it means Labour wins the seat. And I can't see a raft of 2017 Labour voters switching Tory to express their gratitude to her.williamglenn said:
Her constituency is majority Remain now, not that in makes much difference to FPTP politics.Richard_Tyndall said:
Amber Rudd must know now she is toast at the next GE. A tiny majority and a constituency that voted Leave. Maybe she is hoping if we stay in she can get some sort of position in Brussels.kle4 said:
Every step that has been undertaken, leave and remain, has been heavily trailed in the media, even one on one Cabinet discussions are, what counts as secret in this context?TheScreamingEagles said:0 -
Hmm, not sure about that. It certainly didn't move away from the Tories between 2010 and 2015. A huge amount depends on getting the vote out in the substantial part of the constituency which isn't Hastings town.AndyJS said:
Hastings is moving away from the Tories for demographic reasons, similar to Hove and Brighton Pavilion. Even if the Tories win a majority next time they could lose the seat.MarqueeMark said:
I imagine a whole bunch of her activists from 2017 will now melt away....not to mention the Leave voters. I won't be voting Wollaston in Totnes and I sure as hell wouldn't be voting for Rudd if I lived in Hastings, even if it means Labour wins the seat. And I can't see a raft of 2017 Labour voters switching Tory to express their gratitude to her.williamglenn said:
Her constituency is majority Remain now, not that in makes much difference to FPTP politics.Richard_Tyndall said:
Amber Rudd must know now she is toast at the next GE. A tiny majority and a constituency that voted Leave. Maybe she is hoping if we stay in she can get some sort of position in Brussels.kle4 said:
Every step that has been undertaken, leave and remain, has been heavily trailed in the media, even one on one Cabinet discussions are, what counts as secret in this context?TheScreamingEagles said:0
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