Corbyn makes big attack on Tories forcing heavily pregnant Tulipp to come to vote yesterday..... Soubry raises point of order to ask if a pair was offered.... Bercow confirms it was ....
She wanted to vote in person, so that all could view her martyrdom.
Well she might also have wanted to be involved in something so historic. And remember that the Tories have been breaking pairing arrangements lately.
Having a baby on the floor of the House of Commons, or in the No lobby, would certainly be historic
My brother was very nearly born in the House of Lords
Can we just have customs union and workers rights alignment written into the WA and be done with it now?
Yes. If only to give those morons in the ERG their just desserts.
Just desserts? What does that mean? Endless Eccles cakes? Semolina ad infinitum? Unlimited rice pudding?
Semolina ad infinitum sounds like my idea of hell, or possibly, a very bad piece of choral music, either of which I would happily wish on Jacob Rees Mogg and his merry band of swivel-eyed thickos
The reasons the same question are being asked and same responses are given shows how polarised the mps are.
TM is not going to suddenly move to a CU or anything else until she is able to consider how to move forward. It is clear that she is seeking to retain ERG and DUP support but hopefully to find a compromise on her deal, but it is clear she is anti a second referendum.
Yes, and if anything last night's vote made the polarisation worse. The fact that both the ERG and the ultra-remainers/people's-voters were jubilant at the result means that both extremes think they are winning - so why would either side compromise?
They're both as bad as each other.
The trick is to cut off both wings and coalesce around a Powell-Halfon Common Market 2.0 solution – a Tyndallite solution you might call it!
The reasons the same question are being asked and same responses are given shows how polarised the mps are.
TM is not going to suddenly move to a CU or anything else until she is able to consider how to move forward. It is clear that she is seeking to retain ERG and DUP support but hopefully to find a compromise on her deal, but it is clear she is anti a second referendum.
Yes, and if anything last night's vote made the polarisation worse. The fact that both the ERG and the ultra-remainers/people's-voters were jubilant at the result means that both extremes think they are winning - so why would either side compromise?
They're both as bad as each other.
The trick is to cut off both wings and coalesce around a Powell-Halfon Common Market 2.0 solution – a Tyndallite solution you might call it!
Let us hope so. it is not as good as we currently have, but not as bad as the nutters would wish, therefore a good compromise
Interesting suggestion that May might actually be more flexible on plan B than suggested, and just doesn't want to piss anyone off until after the vote
In meetings all day today so can someone fill me in on the big story - did the ground level letterboxes bill get a second reading?
They are the bane of any deliverers life...
There's a simple answer, stop pushing lies and propaganda through innocent householders' letterboxes, which gets filed straight in the recycling, thus wasting energy and resources.
This is not a party political point – everything goes in the recycling regardless of who it is from. The Tories' doorstep donkeys are no worse – and no better – than any of the other rabble.
Do something worthwhile with your evenings instead.
Nothing I've seen indicates that the undoubted huge frustration with the Brexit process will turn into a groundswell of support for a Corbyn government.
I think defeat for him tonight will be a blessing in disguise for Labour. On two counts: there will be a massive "what the hell are you playing at this close to Brexit?" narrative, and he needs to let TMay own Brexit (/lack thereof) until at least March 29th.
I suspect a GE now would probably leave us more or less where we are now. But him picking up the pieces a fortnight before D-Day would mean Brexit gets added to the large pile of stuff which is his fault very soon after.
At some point, and I don't think it will occur soon with Corbyn in charge, voters will have been exposed to so much division amongst the Conservatives, that the Labour Party could support the deal and not be punished for it at a subsequent general election. The impression would be that the Labour Party had saved the day.
With the FTPA however, the wait is too long to contemplate such a move now, IMO (Nick?).
I don't think The Deal is anywhere near as toxic to voters on either side as it apparently is to MPs. Very little negative electoral impact to either party supporting it (at least in the short term).
The upside for Corbyn in opposing, though, is that the govt of the day will own a non-deal outcome. Most people expect the governing party's MPs to support it; and an opposition opposing is already burnt in.
TM destroying Corbyn in an amazing personal attack
So the reaching out to other parties didn't last long then.
You can't reach out to Corbyn, unless you are tin-pot South American socialist dictator, a terrorist or an anti-Semite. I don't think Theresa May, for all her faults, is any of these things. She will need to go round the idiot
In meetings all day today so can someone fill me in on the big story - did the ground level letterboxes bill get a second reading?
They are the bane of any deliverers life...
There's a simple answer, stop pushing lies and propaganda through innocent householders' letterboxes, which gets filed straight in the recycling, thus wasting energy and resources.
This is not a party political point – everything goes in the recycling regardless of who it is from. The Tories' doorstep donkeys are no worse – and no better – than any of the other rabble.
Do something worthwhile with your evenings instead.
Mrs May is a Remainer who accepted the result of the referendum and tried her hardest to negotiate a Leave that was as soft as she dared. The EU were happy to go along because it suited them too.
You can blame the more extremist Breixteers, but the root cause of the failure is down to the Labour Party playing silly buggers in favour of party advantage. The SNP are the original stroppy teenagers and the LDs only want Remain.
That's why Mrs May is getting sympathy. She may not be very good (and she isn't) but she comes out as one of the few adults around.
Thats a good summing up of the position. Especially with May being a remainer, but trying to interpet the referendum to the best of her ability.
I agree. I also think many voters are not fools and Corbyn could suddenly experience a big slide in popularity.
North of Stoke! Mrs May will be all over you like an octopus....
The first part was what I was floating this morning. From my experience in industrial relations, things always seem the worst in the moments before a way through is found and agreed. The problem, I think, is that our PM (despite her underestimated skills in progressing determinedly down a single path, on which I have commented before) doesn't have the skill set to deliver a majority in Parliament for any proposal of her own.
She seems to lack political skills, which is not great for a politician.
Yet I am far from convinced that anybody else who the Tories could have picked post DC would have done substantially better.
I think the problem with Brexit is, fundamentally, Brexit.
In retrospect, Osborne. I wouldn't have said that at the time though.
Can we just have customs union and workers rights alignment written into the WA and be done with it now?
Yes. If only to give those morons in the ERG their just desserts.
Just desserts? What does that mean? Endless Eccles cakes? Semolina ad infinitum? Unlimited rice pudding?
Eton Mess most likely but it will be less appetising after they are force fed the 7th bowl.
I'd like to see them eating humble pie, but there is very little humility going at the moment in the HoC. I expect we might see a surfeit of it in the years to come
May should get the self-awareness to realise that she is part of the problem and go.
We should all think what a calamitous mess of the constitution Cameron's FTPA has made.
Indeed May really needs to wake up and take responsibility for the mess. The cul-de-sac we are now in is largely (but not exclusively) of her own making.
The mess has many authors.
I think she should step down, but the mess will remain.
The thread that has run through this is a lack of leadership. She created a vacuum that gave others the space to grow. No-one really is following her lead these days. The free for all we saw yesterday is the ultimate symptom of that.
The push and pull forces that come from a strong PM really are not there. No-one is convinced by her. No-one is afraid of her. She has tin ear and leaden feet. Its' a hard thing to say about someone clearly doing their best, but she really is the problem.
From the public reaction on the media today it is the politicians who are the problem and TM is receiving surprisingly strong support
Pity is a powerful thing. Britains like a plucky loser. Doesn't mean she should not go and hasn't caused this mess.
The comments were not pity but surprisingly supportive
Supporting what ? A record losing PM, or her Brexit deal. If that is the case no problem with a new referendum then.
As a legacy of my days in business I always listen to 5 live business re is 100% in favour of TM deal and not at all impressed with the DUP
G, it is hard to convince people that anybody thinks May is trustworthy and should remain. She has been an abject failure, lied through her teeth and obfuscated to get her own way. If she had any morals or principles she would have stood down immediately after that humiliation last night. Sadly we see how low the country has fallen by the disreputable actions of our leaders.
its appalling malc, its so bad my son is emigrating
he starts work in Edinburgh end of the month :-)
Alan, you will get entry after independence due to his residence and bonus is he will be an EU citizen.
Can we just have customs union and workers rights alignment written into the WA and be done with it now?
Yes. If only to give those morons in the ERG their just desserts.
Just desserts? What does that mean? Endless Eccles cakes? Semolina ad infinitum? Unlimited rice pudding?
Eton Mess most likely but it will be less appetising after they are force fed the 7th bowl.
I'd like to see them eating humble pie, but there is very little humility going at the moment in the HoC. I expect we might see a surfeit of it in the years to come
I think JRM and his hangers on went for champagne instead. Arseholes.
I expect that minister not to be reselected by his constituency association...
Read and learn, young loyalist.
"The first duty of a member of Parliament is to do what he thinks in his faithful and disinterested judgement is right and necessary for the honour and safety of Great Britain. His second duty is to his constituents, of whom he is the representative but not the delegate. Burke's famous declaration on this subject is well known. It is only in the third place that his duty to party organization or programme takes rank. All these three loyalties should be observed, but there in no doubt of the order in which they stand under any healthy manifestation of democracy."
TM destroying Corbyn in an amazing personal attack
So the reaching out to other parties didn't last long then.
You can't reach out to Corbyn, unless you are tin-pot South American socialist dictator, a terrorist or an anti-Semite. I don't think Theresa May, for all her faults, is any of these things. She will need to go round the idiot
There's a prog about Hugo Chavez 9pm bbc2 tonight.
TM destroying Corbyn in an amazing personal attack
So the reaching out to other parties didn't last long then.
You can't reach out to Corbyn, unless you are tin-pot South American socialist dictator, a terrorist or an anti-Semite. I don't think Theresa May, for all her faults, is any of these things. She will need to go round the idiot
I think last night's "reaching out" words were chosen very carefully. "Senior parliamentarians on all sides of the house" means "coffee with Yvette and Chuka", not inviting JC into the tent. Not least because there is not a cat in hell's chance that he will play.
In short.. I reckon she sees herself having a go at building the sort of coalition which the GONU fans fantasise about (probably with a side order of "of course Jacob.. you could end all this by backing Plan A).
In meetings all day today so can someone fill me in on the big story - did the ground level letterboxes bill get a second reading?
They are the bane of any deliverers life...
There's a simple answer, stop pushing lies and propaganda through innocent householders' letterboxes, which gets filed straight in the recycling, thus wasting energy and resources.
This is not a party political point – everything goes in the recycling regardless of who it is from. The Tories' doorstep donkeys are no worse – and no better – than any of the other rabble.
Do something worthwhile with your evenings instead.
As for the more provisional wing of the People’s Vote, we no longer need to computer-model the answer to the question: what would happen if you gave everyone on Henman Hill crystal meth?
and
The same could not be said of Theresa May, who rose to the occasion like a replicant Anglepoise lamp.
May should get the self-awareness to realise that she is part of the problem and go.
We should all think what a calamitous mess of the constitution Cameron's FTPA has made.
Indeed May really needs to wake up and take responsibility for the mess. The cul-de-sac we are now in is largely (but not exclusively) of her own making.
The mess has many authors.
I think she should step down, but the mess will remain.
The thread that has run through this is a lack of leadership. She created a vacuum that gave others the space to grow. No-one really is following her lead these days. The free for all we saw yesterday is the ultimate symptom of that.
The push and pull forces that come from a strong PM really are not there. No-one is convinced by her. No-one is afraid of her. She has tin ear and leaden feet. Its' a hard thing to say about someone clearly doing their best, but she really is the problem.
From the public reaction on the media today it is the politicians who are the problem and TM is receiving surprisingly strong support
Pity is a powerful thing. Britains like a plucky loser. Doesn't mean she should not go and hasn't caused this mess.
The comments were not pity but surprisingly supportive
Supporting what ? A record losing PM, or her Brexit deal. If that is the case no problem with a new referendum then.
As a legacy of my days in business I always listen to 5 live business re is 100% in favour of TM deal and not at all impressed with the DUP
G, it is hard to convince people that anybody thinks May is trustworthy and should remain. She has been an abject failure, lied through her teeth and obfuscated to get her own way. If she had any morals or principles she would have stood down immediately after that humiliation last night. Sadly we see how low the country has fallen by the disreputable actions of our leaders.
its appalling malc, its so bad my son is emigrating
he starts work in Edinburgh end of the month :-)
Alan, you will get entry after independence due to his residence and bonus is he will be an EU citizen.
malc we all have our Irish passports already :-)
Im hoping I get a Scottish one to complete the set as my grandfather was born in Dunfiesshire
One particular thing struck me with some force about the events of yesterday.
There were large numbers of nutcases hanging around Westminster, a mix of euro-zealots hell bent on overturning the EU referendum result, and unsavoury primitives from racists-on-sea who think 'real brexit' means what the country would look like if the BNP had just won a GE landslide - and all of these characters, every single one of them, was absolutely delighted with how the vote in parliament went.
Now if they are delighted, I would respectfully suggest that nobody else should be. Or if they are, they should at the very least examine their reasons for being so, and make sure that they stand up.
Can we just have customs union and workers rights alignment written into the WA and be done with it now?
Yes. If only to give those morons in the ERG their just desserts.
Just desserts? What does that mean? Endless Eccles cakes? Semolina ad infinitum? Unlimited rice pudding?
Semolina ad infinitum sounds like my idea of hell, or possibly, a very bad piece of choral music, either of which I would happily wish on Jacob Rees Mogg and his merry band of swivel-eyed thickos
"Semolina ad infinitum" can very nearly be sung to the tune of Carl Orff's O Fortuna.
Apologies for mentioning a German composer at this sensitive moment in our history. I do realise it should be Henry VIII, Purcell, Arne, Elgar, Vaughan Williams and above all Britten at this juncture. (Maybe Delius too, but in the cicumstances I'm not sure we should take the chance.)
TM destroying Corbyn in an amazing personal attack
So the reaching out to other parties didn't last long then.
You can't reach out to Corbyn, unless you are tin-pot South American socialist dictator, a terrorist or an anti-Semite. I don't think Theresa May, for all her faults, is any of these things. She will need to go round the idiot
I think last night's "reaching out" words were chosen very carefully. "Senior parliamentarians on all sides of the house" means "coffee with Yvette and Chuka", not inviting JC into the tent. Not least because there is not a cat in hell's chance that he will play.
In short.. I reckon she sees herself having a go at building the sort of coalition which the GONU fans fantasise about (probably with a side order of "of course Jacob.. you could end all this by backing Plan A).
When I suggested riding the gnu yesterday several PBers considered it a moment of comedy!
I expect that minister not to be reselected by his constituency association...
Read and learn, young loyalist.
"The first duty of a member of Parliament is to do what he thinks in his faithful and disinterested judgement is right and necessary for the honour and safety of Great Britain. His second duty is to his constituents, of whom he is the representative but not the delegate. Burke's famous declaration on this subject is well known. It is only in the third place that his duty to party organization or programme takes rank. All these three loyalties should be observed, but there in no doubt of the order in which they stand under any healthy manifestation of democracy."
Sir Winston Churchill.
Oh for the days when our elected politicians knew the difference between uninterested and disinterested.
TM destroying Corbyn in an amazing personal attack
So the reaching out to other parties didn't last long then.
Corbyn is never going to assist and of course, remember, this is a vonc in TM and he is seeking a GE.
Today TM shows just how Corbyn is going to come under attack like he did not last time
Because negative campaigning worked so well in the EU referendum?
TM attack today was the first coherent well crafted attack on Corbyn I have heard from any politician, all of it was true, and would resound with the public
I expect that minister not to be reselected by his constituency association...
Read and learn, young loyalist.
"The first duty of a member of Parliament is to do what he thinks in his faithful and disinterested judgement is right and necessary for the honour and safety of Great Britain. His second duty is to his constituents, of whom he is the representative but not the delegate. Burke's famous declaration on this subject is well known. It is only in the third place that his duty to party organization or programme takes rank. All these three loyalties should be observed, but there in no doubt of the order in which they stand under any healthy manifestation of democracy."
Sir Winston Churchill.
Oh for the days when our elected politicians knew the difference between uninterested and disinterested.
Corbyn makes big attack on Tories forcing heavily pregnant Tulipp to come to vote yesterday..... Soubry raises point of order to ask if a pair was offered.... Bercow confirms it was ....
Doesn't matter. That it was 'forced' will already be fact to some, with the not unreasonable backup of previous Tory duplicity.
I expect that minister not to be reselected by his constituency association...
Read and learn, young loyalist.
"The first duty of a member of Parliament is to do what he thinks in his faithful and disinterested judgement is right and necessary for the honour and safety of Great Britain. His second duty is to his constituents, of whom he is the representative but not the delegate. Burke's famous declaration on this subject is well known. It is only in the third place that his duty to party organization or programme takes rank. All these three loyalties should be observed, but there in no doubt of the order in which they stand under any healthy manifestation of democracy."
Sir Winston Churchill.
In reality the priorities are:-
1. What is best for my career prospects ? 2. How can I best punish my enemies? 3. How can I outwit my rivals? 4. How can I evade my responsibilities? 5. How do I win the blame game?
One particular thing struck me with some force about the events of yesterday.
There were large numbers of nutcases hanging around Westminster, a mix of euro-zealots hell bent on overturning the EU referendum result, and unsavoury primitives from racists-on-sea who think 'real brexit' means what the country would look like if the BNP had just won a GE landslide - and all of these characters, every single one of them, was absolutely delighted with how the vote in parliament went.
Now if they are delighted, I would respectfully suggest that nobody else should be. Or if they are, they should at the very least examine their reasons for being so, and make sure that they stand up.
TM destroying Corbyn in an amazing personal attack
So the reaching out to other parties didn't last long then.
You can't reach out to Corbyn, unless you are tin-pot South American socialist dictator, a terrorist or an anti-Semite. I don't think Theresa May, for all her faults, is any of these things. She will need to go round the idiot
I think last night's "reaching out" words were chosen very carefully. "Senior parliamentarians on all sides of the house" means "coffee with Yvette and Chuka", not inviting JC into the tent. Not least because there is not a cat in hell's chance that he will play.
In short.. I reckon she sees herself having a go at building the sort of coalition which the GONU fans fantasise about (probably with a side order of "of course Jacob.. you could end all this by backing Plan A).
When I suggested riding the gnu yesterday several PBers considered it a moment of comedy!
Well that is because you seemed to be suggesting that the solution was a long haired antelope. As if Parliament was not a low grade zoo already.
In other words 'Atame'. Rough translation....tie a naked David Cameron to an incontinent donkey and send it through the City of London before sitting him in a ducking stool and lowering it into the Thames. That'll cheer everyone up
In meetings all day today so can someone fill me in on the big story - did the ground level letterboxes bill get a second reading?
They are the bane of any deliverers life...
There's a simple answer, stop pushing lies and propaganda through innocent householders' letterboxes, which gets filed straight in the recycling, thus wasting energy and resources.
This is not a party political point – everything goes in the recycling regardless of who it is from. The Tories' doorstep donkeys are no worse – and no better – than any of the other rabble.
Do something worthwhile with your evenings instead.
s'called democracy.
Nope. It's called waste.
Not at all. It is the form that democracy takes in this country.
One particular thing struck me with some force about the events of yesterday.
There were large numbers osf nutcases hanging around Westminster, a mix of euro-zealots hell bent on overturning the EU referendum result, and unsavoury primitives from racists-on-sea who think 'real brexit' means what the country would look like if the BNP had just won a GE landslide - and all of these characters, every single one of them, was absolutely delighted with how the vote in parliament went.
Now if they are delighted, I would respectfully suggest that nobody else should be. Or if they are, they should at the very least examine their reasons for being so, and make sure that they stand up.
In other words 'Atame'. Rough translation....tie a naked David Cameron to an incontinent donkey and send it through the City of London before sitting him in a ducking stool and lowering it into the Thames. That'll cheer everyone up
May needs to make a statement to the house on Monday, and then commend it to the house via an amendable motion.
So she has until Monday to find a form of words that a majority of MPs will support. And apparently she's planning to do that without talking to the opposition.
Whew boi, talking about making things harder than they need be.
May should get the self-awareness to realise that she is part of the problem and go.
We should all think what a calamitous mess of the constitution Cameron's FTPA has made.
Indeed May really needs to wake up and take responsibility for the mess. The cul-de-sac we are now in is largely (but not exclusively) of her own making.
SNIP
The thread that has run through this is a lack of leadership. She created a vacuum that gave others the space to grow. No-one really is following her lead these days. The free for all we saw yesterday is the ultimate symptom of that.
The push and pull forces that come from a strong PM really are not there. No-one is convinced by her. No-one is afraid of her. She has tin ear and leaden feet. Its' a hard thing to say about someone clearly doing their best, but she really is the problem.
From the public reaction on the media today it is the politicians who are the problem and TM is receiving surprisingly strong support
Pity is a powerful thing. Britains like a plucky loser. Doesn't mean she should not go and hasn't caused this mess.
The comments were not pity but surprisingly supportive
Supporting what ? A record losing PM, or her Brexit deal. If that is the case no problem with a new referendum then.
As a legacy of my days in business I always listen to 5 live business re is 100% in favour of TM deal and not at all impressed with the DUP
G, it is hard to convince people that anybody thinks May is trustworthy and should remain. She has been an abject failure, lied through her teeth and obfuscated to get her own way. If she had any morals or principles she would have stood down immediately after that humiliation last night. Sadly we see how low the country has fallen by the disreputable actions of our leaders.
its appalling malc, its so bad my son is emigrating
he starts work in Edinburgh end of the month :-)
Alan, you will get entry after independence due to his residence and bonus is he will be an EU citizen.
malc we all have our Irish passports already :-)
Im hoping I get a Scottish one to complete the set as my grandfather was born in Dunfiesshire
They were engaged by the government of the day to provide forecasts of possible Brexit scenarios. So sort of, yes.
so let me see MrT, when you employ advisors in your day job, do you do everything they say or do you listen to what they say and then take a view ?
The buck stopped with HMG not its advisors.
You said they hadn't done any no deal planning. I have shown you that they did. That was our discussion.
I think we have fundamentally different views of what planning means.
As plenty on here have asked previously, what exactly would you like them to have done between 7th May 2015 and 23rd June 2016?
they could have started off a la John Howard and framed a sensible set of referendum questions before the vote. That alone would have saved about a year of pointless farting about.
They could also have tried to give a balanced view of leaving instead of the nonsense from Osborne. Cameron should have sat the whole thing out.
The reasons the same question are being asked and same responses are given shows how polarised the mps are.
TM is not going to suddenly move to a CU or anything else until she is able to consider how to move forward. It is clear that she is seeking to retain ERG and DUP support but hopefully to find a compromise on her deal, but it is clear she is anti a second referendum.
Yes, and if anything last night's vote made the polarisation worse. The fact that both the ERG and the ultra-remainers/people's-voters were jubilant at the result means that both extremes think they are winning - so why would either side compromise?
Very good comment. It's incredibly frustrating as something has to give but so long as the most extreme are like this May cannot even give in to one and see it through.
He wants a no deal brexit, and a distraction, he can safely be ignored.
The worrying thing for the UK is that the EU as a whole seems to be warming to the idea that a no-deal Brexit is better than allowing this farce to be renewed for another season.
He wants a no deal brexit, and a distraction, he can safely be ignored.
The worrying thing for the UK is that the EU as a whole seems to be warming to the idea that a no-deal Brexit is better than allowing this farce to be renewed for another season.
Nearly at the end of a sci-fi war story called Repulse. Some people advocating an invasion have lost an argument after they were unable to put forward any concrete proposals. Did raise a wry smile.
Nothing I've seen indicates that the undoubted huge frustration with the Brexit process will turn into a groundswell of support for a Corbyn government.
I think defeat for him tonight will be a blessing in disguise for Labour. On two counts: there will be a massive "what the hell are you playing at this close to Brexit?" narrative, and he needs to let TMay own Brexit (/lack thereof) until at least March 29th.
I suspect a GE now would probably leave us more or less where we are now. But him picking up the pieces a fortnight before D-Day would mean Brexit gets added to the large pile of stuff which is his fault very soon after.
At some point, and I don't think it will occur soon with Corbyn in charge, voters will have been exposed to so much division amongst the Conservatives, that the Labour Party could support the deal and not be punished for it at a subsequent general election. The impression would be that the Labour Party had saved the day.
With the FTPA however, the wait is too long to contemplate such a move now, IMO (Nick?).
I don't think The Deal is anywhere near as toxic to voters on either side as it apparently is to MPs. Very little negative electoral impact to either party supporting it (at least in the short term).
The upside for Corbyn in opposing, though, is that the govt of the day will own a non-deal outcome. Most people expect the governing party's MPs to support it; and an opposition opposing is already burnt in.
It will be toxic now. Having been so rejected no one will keep backing a loser.
How many is too many? More than 1 or more like more than 2?
Think that's quite sensible. Indeed, today's vonc has simply served to waste yet another day, because May can't say anything of substance in case the PUDGERers blow their top and aye the vonc.
That is super-scary. Right in the middle of Cheltenham.
TBH May's much more likely to lose the second or third VONC when the ERG abstain en masse at her decision to support a permanent customs union.
As I said earlier today, the view is that it will be a customs union which may pick up some Lab votes. Of course again, the idiocy of it all is that this is the withdrawal agreement, not the final trade agreement.
IMO 94.382% of the problems stem from the often wilful misunderstanding of the difference between the two.
None of it means I won't be cheering on Kalashnikov in the Arkle.
In other words 'Atame'. Rough translation....tie a naked David Cameron to an incontinent donkey and send it through the City of London before sitting him in a ducking stool and lowering it into the Thames. That'll cheer everyone up
If we are talking about horrible punishments used in the past I think Cameron deserves something particularly painful and nasty but since this a family programme I will refrain from giving further details.
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The whole point is the four Speakers are always split 2-2 so they cancel out so it doesn't matter which Party supplies the (Main) Speaker.
Which is why the BBC count Bercow as Con on election night - because he effectively is Con - because Lab must supply two of the three Deputy Speakers.
https://twitter.com/DPJHodges/status/1085534713677299713
This is not a party political point – everything goes in the recycling regardless of who it is from. The Tories' doorstep donkeys are no worse – and no better – than any of the other rabble.
Do something worthwhile with your evenings instead.
The upside for Corbyn in opposing, though, is that the govt of the day will own a non-deal outcome. Most people expect the governing party's MPs to support it; and an opposition opposing is already burnt in.
The buck stopped with HMG not its advisors.
I think such a WA would pass.
Today TM shows just how Corbyn is going to come under attack like he did not last time
Bring it on.
"The first duty of a member of Parliament is to do what he thinks in his faithful and disinterested judgement is right and necessary for the honour and safety of Great Britain. His second duty is to his constituents, of whom he is the representative but not the delegate. Burke's famous declaration on this subject is well known. It is only in the third place that his duty to party organization or programme takes rank. All these three loyalties should be observed, but there in no doubt of the order in which they stand under any healthy manifestation of democracy."
Sir Winston Churchill.
In short.. I reckon she sees herself having a go at building the sort of coalition which the GONU fans fantasise about (probably with a side order of "of course Jacob.. you could end all this by backing Plan A).
As for the more provisional wing of the People’s Vote, we no longer need to computer-model the answer to the question: what would happen if you gave everyone on Henman Hill crystal meth?
and
The same could not be said of Theresa May, who rose to the occasion like a replicant Anglepoise lamp.
Im hoping I get a Scottish one to complete the set as my grandfather was born in Dunfiesshire
Apologies for mentioning a German composer at this sensitive moment in our history. I do realise it should be Henry VIII, Purcell, Arne, Elgar, Vaughan Williams and above all Britten at this juncture. (Maybe Delius too, but in the cicumstances I'm not sure we should take the chance.)
Unions have been campaigning on this since the 1950s!!
Bad for postmen - causes back problems.
Ireland banned them in 2001. Somewhat surprised it hasn't happened in Britain bearing mind the CWU, HSE and Royal Mail have asked for it.
1. What is best for my career prospects ?
2. How can I best punish my enemies?
3. How can I outwit my rivals?
4. How can I evade my responsibilities?
5. How do I win the blame game?
https://interactive.guim.co.uk/uploader/embed/2019/01/lose-scenarios-zip/giv-39021luowWcuqshN/
So she has until Monday to find a form of words that a majority of MPs will support. And apparently she's planning to do that without talking to the opposition.
Whew boi, talking about making things harder than they need be.
They could also have tried to give a balanced view of leaving instead of the nonsense from Osborne. Cameron should have sat the whole thing out.
(It might be old but it does show that leopards don't change their spots....)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dqlm-g82ulo
They are trying to back him into a corner.
Than she is with Chuka and chums..
Nearly at the end of a sci-fi war story called Repulse. Some people advocating an invasion have lost an argument after they were unable to put forward any concrete proposals. Did raise a wry smile.
Brexiteers want frictionless trade with the single market and the ability to set our own independent trade policy.
In the CU and out of Single Market, as is currently being talked about, is the ABSOLUTE OPPOSITE of what most Brexiteers want.
IMO 94.382% of the problems stem from the often wilful misunderstanding of the difference between the two.
None of it means I won't be cheering on Kalashnikov in the Arkle.