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I just hope that Corbyn didn’t mutter ‘stupid jewman’ on receiving the letter.0
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Bad Guy Stansted airportAlastairMeeks said:
Don't let them in on the secret.OldKingCole said:
Southend Airport is a very pleasant place, for an airport. Considerably, by a considerable stretch, better than Stansted.matt said:
I’d be glad to fly out of Southend too. Drive or walk as well.AlastairMeeks said:Glad I flew out of Southend this morning.
Calls itself "London" Stansted
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That’s interesting. I might PM you in the new year if that’s okay, I’ve done some drone flying in other countries and was looking at getting a U.K. CAA approval.Richard_Tyndall said:
Yep I am aware of the requirements having done the school. I use a drone for photographing archaeological sites as part of my consultancy work.Sandpit said:
The CAA requirements for a commercial drone operation are not dissimilar to those for manned aircraft operations, include ground school and a flying test for pilots and production of operating procedures by the company.Richard_Tyndall said:
Not sure what contingency plans you can have. Planes and drones simply don't mix and there is a big enough exclusion zone around airports than no one can do it 'by accident'.AndyJS said:This was four years ago. There should have had a contingency plan for the Gatwick situation.
https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-30369701
The Government is introducing tougher rules for drones and anyone who wants to fly one for commercial reasons already needs a CAA licence. But if someone actually wants to cause disruption or worse an accident there is not that much more the airport can do proactively to prevent it. All their actions are likely to be reactive.
What’s going on at Gatwick appears to be the quite deliberate misuse of the sort of drones used commercially, some organised group must be behind it and it’s surprising we haven’t heard from them yet. Many other groups are going to see what’s going on and see the amount of disruption that can be caused by only a few people.
What’s almost certain from today’s story is that life will become harder for hobbyist and commercial drone pilots, while having no impact at all on the idiots who want to fly them near airports.0 -
On Brexit, he's a Norway Plus supporter.JohnO said:Ivan Lewis, Labour MP for Bury South, has resigned from the party citing its failure to address anti semitism.
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She is called Jade. There really isn't any ambiguity.grabcocque said:
When trans/intersex/genderqueer people give out their preferred pronouns as they do their name as a matter of course, it strips transphobes of plausible deniability when misgendering and deadnaming people maliciously. And for everyone else, it forestalls potential awkwardness and should be viewed as an act of politeness.Donny43 said:
I actually got an email at work today from someone whose signature includes the line My pronouns are she, her and hers.0 -
No, not like. Clearly he himself believes it would be wrong to say it or he would admit it, or say he didn't say it but that it was true.OldKingCole said:
LIKE!!!!!malcolmg said:
G , a blind man could see he was saying that, fact is he was right and should have been shouting it out.Big_G_NorthWales said:
Looks like the Sky Data Poll nails your man 60% he did call TM stupid woman - 12% he did notChris said:Just out of interest, which did people find more repellent - whatever Corbyn said, or May's pantomime turn at the despatch box?
If a party would hit the roof in outrage if their opponents did it no matter how true, then it is not genuinely defendable in my view. Yes that means Tories will make a bigger deal than if one of them did it, but if the alleged perpetrator won't defend using the phrase and instead claims they didn't do it, I see no reason to defend it either.0 -
Nice early Xmas gift for Tories - ironic given the gifterwilliamglenn said:
On Brexit, he's a Norway Plus supporter.JohnO said:Ivan Lewis, Labour MP for Bury South, has resigned from the party citing its failure to address anti semitism.
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Yes, but the Mail's readers, by and large, are not. Which made it seems like an interesting pivot.Anazina said:
Interesting background – I can see that that might be true. Also, Geordie Grieg (the new editor) is a world away from the odious Paul Dacre's politics. Greig is a sort of europhile, metropolitan liberal Tory. It's a completely different newspaper these days.grabcocque said:Oh, btw, I was talking to an acquaintance recently, who is married to a Daily Mail journalist, about the Mail's dramatic and suddenly shift in editorial line.
I was reliably told, and this is not something I'd heard here, that the shift in editorial tone was largely necessitated by the Stop Funding Hate campaign.
Apparently SFH managed to convince so many advertisers to pull their contracts with the Mail that Rothermere was convinced that it was an existential threat to the paper unless they shifted to an editorial line that advertisers were comfortable with.
As a business decision, it makes sense now. Keeping advertisers on board is much more important for the long term health of the Mail's brand.0 -
G , there is some right old rubbish spoken nowadays, oh for the days when men were men and women were women and there were no other stupid made up silly options.Big_G_NorthWales said:
I am 75 and not au fait with these ideasDonny43 said:
Did you forget you aren't allowed to assume gender?Big_G_NorthWales said:
Last time I looked Corbyn was a manChris said:
He's not _my_ man. And perhaps you'd be wise to avoid using such sexist language in the present climate. ;-)Big_G_NorthWales said:
Looks like the Sky Data Poll nails your man 60% he did call TM stupid woman - 12% he did notChris said:Just out of interest, which did people find more repellent - whatever Corbyn said, or May's pantomime turn at the despatch box?
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WE could train geese to knock out drones.RobD said:
But a drone could be used maliciously. I don't think we have developed the technology to pilot geese.rural_voter said:
This was last week in MexicoTheWhiteRabbit said:
The contingency plans will be around how to manage disruption.Richard_Tyndall said:
Not sure what contingency plans you can have. Planes and drones simply don't mix and there is a big enough exclusion zone around airports than no one can do it 'by accident'.AndyJS said:This was four years ago. There should have had a contingency plan for the Gatwick situation.
https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-30369701
The Government is introducing tougher rules for drones and anyone who wants to fly one for commercial reasons already needs a CAA licence. But if someone actually wants to cause disruption or worse an accident there is not that much more the airport can do proactively to prevent it. All their actions are likely to be reactive.
https://metro.co.uk/2018/12/14/passenger-plane-left-gaping-hole-crashing-drone-8249661/
It resembles the damage caused by a large bird
https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/4543186/bird-strike-boeing-737-sudan/
We don't close airports because of flocks of geese. Just carry on flying.0 -
A handbagging for the stupid Mr. Corbyn no less!Carolus_Rex said:
to lose one MP in a week may be accounted a misfortune...Scott_P said:0 -
I am OK with that, it makes Rejoin far more likely if the Brexit outcome is forced on a public that has changed its mind.rottenborough said:
Brexiteers who want it to stick should support a #peoplesvote.0 -
Moreover, most Labour leave voters who take sides back a people’s vote, by 56-44%. Again, the evidence suggests little downside to Labour backing a people’s vote. Indeed, among Labour supporters generally, such a vote is massively popular, with 77% in favour and just 23% against. A further challenge for Jeremy Corbyn is to persuade voters that he could get a better Brexit deal if he were prime minister. This claim is rejected by 68%-11% of voters generally, by 47%-30% of Labour voters, and – perhaps most ominously – by 52-23% of Labour leave voters.Anazina said:
A seriously good end-of-term piece by Kellner. Good to see somebody is working this week.Scott_P said:0 -
On that we agreemalcolmg said:
G , there is some right old rubbish spoken nowadays, oh for the days when men were men and women were women and there were no other stupid made up silly options.Big_G_NorthWales said:
I am 75 and not au fait with these ideasDonny43 said:
Did you forget you aren't allowed to assume gender?Big_G_NorthWales said:
Last time I looked Corbyn was a manChris said:
He's not _my_ man. And perhaps you'd be wise to avoid using such sexist language in the present climate. ;-)Big_G_NorthWales said:
Looks like the Sky Data Poll nails your man 60% he did call TM stupid woman - 12% he did notChris said:Just out of interest, which did people find more repellent - whatever Corbyn said, or May's pantomime turn at the despatch box?
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I think her gags were lame but PMQs is full of lame jokes and posturing from both government and opposition, it's the nature of the spectacle. Corbyn clearly thinks the alleged words would be worse than her lame jokes since he's not defending on the basis they would be true anyway and he didn't say it, he's just making clear he did not.Chris said:Just out of interest, which did people find more repellent - whatever Corbyn said, or May's pantomime turn at the despatch box?
He would never let a Tory get away with saying it. Which is the only reason whether he said it matters.
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The word of Brexit was revealed to Theresa May and to Theresa May alone. And she has a direct line to the views of the vast mority of the "British People'!Foxy said:
A new Labour leader, or even Tom Watson as interim leader would be a very interesting development.kinabalu said:He was only muttering what most people were thinking as she launched into that cruel and bullying pantomime routine. She was mocking him. Mocking him in front of his own MPs and inviting her own MPs to laugh along. Hardly surprising that Jeremy felt the need to retaliate. I bet what he really wanted to do was get up and slap her round the chops. Yet he did not do that. No violence whatsoever. Mark of the man.
Still, to be serious, has he not stood up and lied to the House of Commons? Yes, he undeniably has. Therefore could this not, trivial as it seems to many, lead to a scandal which grows and grows until the only way to end it is for him to stand down as Labour leader? Unlikely. Very unlikely indeed. But not impossible.
If so, what a time for that to happen, right slap bang in the middle of the biggest political crisis that this country has seen for many a year!
Though I think the real significance of the row is to make some sort of negotiated Labour support for the Deal even less likely. An olive branch would have been better from TM, but she is too partisan.
She just isn't interested in what anyone else, who hasn't had the benefit of that revelation, hs to say.0 -
Perhaps it is time for a fixed parliament act that actually works.Scott_P said:0 -
Have you not heard of London Oxford Airport?grabcocque said:
Bad Guy Stansted airportAlastairMeeks said:
Don't let them in on the secret.OldKingCole said:
Southend Airport is a very pleasant place, for an airport. Considerably, by a considerable stretch, better than Stansted.matt said:
I’d be glad to fly out of Southend too. Drive or walk as well.AlastairMeeks said:Glad I flew out of Southend this morning.
Calls itself "London" Stansted
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That is kind of what I always assumed, just not so many so unhappy.rottenborough said:
But actually half or more will be ecstatic at this rate as we remain.
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My view. It's rude, but not sexist. It's amazing how controlled we expect politicians to be, when a muttered expression like that hits the news. Although presumably it was audible to the target person.Paristonda said:https://twitter.com/skynewsbreak/status/1075756159531999232?s=21
Seems like a majority of people think he did say stupid woman but that it’s not actually sexist.
I think I would agree with that. The woman part of stupid woman is simply for lack of a different term. I could just as easily see May calling Corbyn a stupid man, but stupid person doesn’t really sound natural, I think most people would use woman/man in this context. He clearly shouldn’t have said it but I don’t see this story lasting much longer, it was just a nice distraction from Brexit.0 -
I do support the People's Vote. It was close but decisive.Foxy said:
I am OK with that, it makes Rejoin far more likely if the Brexit outcome is forced on a public that has changed its mind.rottenborough said:
Brexiteers who want it to stick should support a #peoplesvote.0 -
Afternoon all
Off work and on shopping detail - I think I'd rather be at work in all honesty. Went through Westfield at Stratford - didn't seem that busy to me and I do think for all the last minute push at the weekend it's going to be a disastrous season for much of High Street retail.
Corbyn clearly said what many people think he said. Does it matter? Not really except to re-enforce a view he's not fit to be Prime Minister and I suppose ultimately one of the two things holding the Conservatives together is terror of a Corbyn Government (the other is I think the Conservatives quite like being in Government, it's their role while Opposition doesn't suit them anywhere near as well).0 -
https://twitter.com/IvanLewis_MP/status/1075791687547580416 Haven't yet read his letter in full.0
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No-one is going to feel sorry for the readers who spend all day upticking angry comments underneath their website articles, for sure.grabcocque said:
Yes, but the Mail's readers, by and large, are not. Which made it seems like an interesting pivot.Anazina said:
Interesting background – I can see that that might be true. Also, Geordie Grieg (the new editor) is a world away from the odious Paul Dacre's politics. Greig is a sort of europhile, metropolitan liberal Tory. It's a completely different newspaper these days.grabcocque said:Oh, btw, I was talking to an acquaintance recently, who is married to a Daily Mail journalist, about the Mail's dramatic and suddenly shift in editorial line.
I was reliably told, and this is not something I'd heard here, that the shift in editorial tone was largely necessitated by the Stop Funding Hate campaign.
Apparently SFH managed to convince so many advertisers to pull their contracts with the Mail that Rothermere was convinced that it was an existential threat to the paper unless they shifted to an editorial line that advertisers were comfortable with.
As a business decision, it makes sense now. Keeping advertisers on board is much more important for the long term health of the Mail's brand.0 -
Lewis going after Corbyn and Milne over their views about Israel.0
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He doesn't mince his words, especially in the two bottom paragraphs on the first page.dr_spyn said:https://twitter.com/IvanLewis_MP/status/1075791687547580416 Haven't yet read his letter in full.
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I believe TM knew the two extremes of no deal and no brexit were not possible so she set herself on a course that delivers a business friendly brexit which is leaving but also is not remainOldKingCole said:
The word of Brexit was revealed to Theresa May and to Theresa May alone. And she has a direct line to the views of the vast mority of the "British People'!Foxy said:
A new Labour leader, or even Tom Watson as interim leader would be a very interesting development.kinabalu said:He was only muttering what most people were thinking as she launched into that cruel and bullying pantomime routine. She was mocking him. Mocking him in front of his own MPs and inviting her own MPs to laugh along. Hardly surprising that Jeremy felt the need to retaliate. I bet what he really wanted to do was get up and slap her round the chops. Yet he did not do that. No violence whatsoever. Mark of the man.
Still, to be serious, has he not stood up and lied to the House of Commons? Yes, he undeniably has. Therefore could this not, trivial as it seems to many, lead to a scandal which grows and grows until the only way to end it is for him to stand down as Labour leader? Unlikely. Very unlikely indeed. But not impossible.
If so, what a time for that to happen, right slap bang in the middle of the biggest political crisis that this country has seen for many a year!
Though I think the real significance of the row is to make some sort of negotiated Labour support for the Deal even less likely. An olive branch would have been better from TM, but she is too partisan.
She just isn't interested in what anyone else, who hasn't had the benefit of that revelation, hs to say.
It is a brave course and she may not succeed but she will always go down as the British PM who obtained a legal brexit treaty with the EU0 -
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Ivan Lewis had already been suspended from the party following allegations of sexual harassment!0
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Yes, the personal is often underestimated as a driver of big political decisions. If Corbyn hates May's guts, if he really cannot stand the woman, it must make it that little bit less likely that he does anything, anything at all, to make her life easier, regardless of other considerations.Foxy said:A new Labour leader, or even Tom Watson as interim leader would be a very interesting development.
Though I think the real significance of the row is to make some sort of negotiated Labour support for the Deal even less likely. An olive branch would have been better from TM, but she is too partisan.
The most extreme example of this, of being driven exclusively by petty likes and dislikes, is of course the current US president. He would start World War III if he knew it would irritate Barack Obama.0 -
Its not that bad - 50 minutes from Liverpool Street (which is faster than the tube to Heathrow) - what makes it "interesting" is its an (almost) exclusively short haul airport - so quite a different passenger mix from Heathrow or Gatwick. And LOTS more carry on.....grabcocque said:
Bad Guy Stansted airportAlastairMeeks said:
Don't let them in on the secret.OldKingCole said:
Southend Airport is a very pleasant place, for an airport. Considerably, by a considerable stretch, better than Stansted.matt said:
I’d be glad to fly out of Southend too. Drive or walk as well.AlastairMeeks said:Glad I flew out of Southend this morning.
Calls itself "London" Stansted
Is actually nearly in Norfolk0 -
It may or may not be "business friendly" - some bits of business like it (because they are terrified of No Deal) and other parts of business are less enthusiastic. Don't assume the CBI is either a) united or b) speaks for all business.Big_G_NorthWales said:I believe TM knew the two extremes of no deal and no brexit were not possible so she set herself on a course that delivers a business friendly brexit which is leaving but also is not remain
It is a brave course and she may not succeed but she will always go down as the British PM who obtained a legal brexit treaty with the EU
To be picky, it won't be a legal treaty unless we approve it. If the Commons fails to back her next month, she could go down in history as another Conservative PM wrecked on the rocks of Europe.0 -
Yes, it's a bit of a coincidence that these Labour MPs only discover that their consciences don't allow them to stay in the party only when they're about to be found guilty of misbehaviour (Woodcock, Lewis), or are about to be deselected (Field).justin124 said:Ivan Lewis had already been suspended from the party following allegations of sexual harassment!
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It's also a way for cisgendered people to show solidarity and to make transgendered people's need to state their pronouns be unexceptional.Donny43 said:
She is called Jade. There really isn't any ambiguity.grabcocque said:
When trans/intersex/genderqueer people give out their preferred pronouns as they do their name as a matter of course, it strips transphobes of plausible deniability when misgendering and deadnaming people maliciously. And for everyone else, it forestalls potential awkwardness and should be viewed as an act of politeness.Donny43 said:
I actually got an email at work today from someone whose signature includes the line My pronouns are she, her and hers.0 -
"Nearly in Norfolk ...?'grabcocque said:
Bad Guy Stansted airportAlastairMeeks said:
Don't let them in on the secret.OldKingCole said:
Southend Airport is a very pleasant place, for an airport. Considerably, by a considerable stretch, better than Stansted.matt said:
I’d be glad to fly out of Southend too. Drive or walk as well.AlastairMeeks said:Glad I flew out of Southend this morning.
Calls itself "London" Stansted
Is actually nearly in Norfolk
LOL. Your knowledge of geography is as poor as your knowledge of the EU !0 -
So, no-dealers of PB, how sanguine do you feel about the UK's ability to cope with a crash-out Brexit now?0
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I was exaggerating for comic effect. I grew up in Essex.JosiasJessop said:
"Nearly in Norfolk ...?'grabcocque said:
Bad Guy Stansted airportAlastairMeeks said:
Don't let them in on the secret.OldKingCole said:
Southend Airport is a very pleasant place, for an airport. Considerably, by a considerable stretch, better than Stansted.matt said:
I’d be glad to fly out of Southend too. Drive or walk as well.AlastairMeeks said:Glad I flew out of Southend this morning.
Calls itself "London" Stansted
Is actually nearly in Norfolk
LOL. Your knowledge of geography is as poor as your knowledge of the EU !0 -
Sorry, Mr G; as you know I have a high opinion of you, so, in the words of Oliver Cromwell, I beseech you, in the bowels of Christ, think it possible you may be mistaken.Big_G_NorthWales said:
I believe TM knew the two extremes of no deal and no brexit were not possible so she set herself on a course that delivers a business friendly brexit which is leaving but also is not remainOldKingCole said:
The word of Brexit was revealed to Theresa May and to Theresa May alone. And she has a direct line to the views of the vast mority of the "British People'!Foxy said:
A new Labour leader, or even Tom Watson as interim leader would be a very interesting development.kinabalu said:He was only muttering what most people were thinking as she launched into that cruel and bullying pantomime routine. She was mocking him. Mocking him in front of his own MPs and inviting her own MPs to laugh along. Hardly surprising that Jeremy felt the need to retaliate. I bet what he really wanted to do was get up and slap her round the chops. Yet he did not do that. No violence whatsoever. Mark of the man.
Still, to be serious, has he not stood up and lied to the House of Commons? Yes, he undeniably has. Therefore could this not, trivial as it seems to many, lead to a scandal which grows and grows until the only way to end it is for him to stand down as Labour leader? Unlikely. Very unlikely indeed. But not impossible.
If so, what a time for that to happen, right slap bang in the middle of the biggest political crisis that this country has seen for many a year!
Though I think the real significance of the row is to make some sort of negotiated Labour support for the Deal even less likely. An olive branch would have been better from TM, but she is too partisan.
She just isn't interested in what anyone else, who hasn't had the benefit of that revelation, hs to say.
It is a brave course and she may not succeed but she will always go down as the British PM who obtained a legal brexit treaty with the EU0 -
That first paragraph, tho'kinabalu said:He was only muttering what most people were thinking as she launched into that cruel and bullying pantomime routine. She was mocking him. Mocking him in front of his own MPs and inviting her own MPs to laugh along. Hardly surprising that Jeremy felt the need to retaliate. I bet what he really wanted to do was get up and slap her round the chops. Yet he did not do that. No violence whatsoever. Mark of the man.
Still, to be serious, has he not stood up and lied to the House of Commons? Yes, he undeniably has. Therefore could this not, trivial as it seems to many, lead to a scandal which grows and grows until the only way to end it is for him to stand down as Labour leader? Unlikely. Very unlikely indeed. But not impossible.
If so, what a time for that to happen, right slap bang in the middle of the biggest political crisis that this country has seen for many a year!0 -
A teeny bit woke, perhaps, but unless you're an alt-reich snowflake looking for something to be triggered by, completely harmless.rpjs said:
It's also a way for cisgendered people to show solidarity and to make transgendered people's need to state their pronouns be unexceptional.Donny43 said:
She is called Jade. There really isn't any ambiguity.grabcocque said:
When trans/intersex/genderqueer people give out their preferred pronouns as they do their name as a matter of course, it strips transphobes of plausible deniability when misgendering and deadnaming people maliciously. And for everyone else, it forestalls potential awkwardness and should be viewed as an act of politeness.Donny43 said:
I actually got an email at work today from someone whose signature includes the line My pronouns are she, her and hers.0 -
Ah, that explains a lot.grabcocque said:
I was exaggerating for comic effect. I grew up in Essex.JosiasJessop said:
"Nearly in Norfolk ...?'grabcocque said:
Bad Guy Stansted airportAlastairMeeks said:
Don't let them in on the secret.OldKingCole said:
Southend Airport is a very pleasant place, for an airport. Considerably, by a considerable stretch, better than Stansted.matt said:
I’d be glad to fly out of Southend too. Drive or walk as well.AlastairMeeks said:Glad I flew out of Southend this morning.
Calls itself "London" Stansted
Is actually nearly in Norfolk
LOL. Your knowledge of geography is as poor as your knowledge of the EU !
You've done well to learn to type. Have you progressed past the randomly-bashing-at-the-keys stage
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At least STN is in a county that borders Greater London. Gatters isn't.grabcocque said:
I was exaggerating for comic effect. I grew up in Essex.JosiasJessop said:
"Nearly in Norfolk ...?'grabcocque said:
Bad Guy Stansted airportAlastairMeeks said:
Don't let them in on the secret.OldKingCole said:
Southend Airport is a very pleasant place, for an airport. Considerably, by a considerable stretch, better than Stansted.matt said:
I’d be glad to fly out of Southend too. Drive or walk as well.AlastairMeeks said:Glad I flew out of Southend this morning.
Calls itself "London" Stansted
Is actually nearly in Norfolk
LOL. Your knowledge of geography is as poor as your knowledge of the EU !0 -
In written communication there's only any need if the name is ambiguous (Chris is an example that springs to mind) or if the name is used by the less common gender (I was at school with a Georgina who was always George). None of this requires transgenderism to be relevant.rpjs said:
It's also a way for cisgendered people to show solidarity and to make transgendered people's need to state their pronouns be unexceptional.Donny43 said:
She is called Jade. There really isn't any ambiguity.grabcocque said:
When trans/intersex/genderqueer people give out their preferred pronouns as they do their name as a matter of course, it strips transphobes of plausible deniability when misgendering and deadnaming people maliciously. And for everyone else, it forestalls potential awkwardness and should be viewed as an act of politeness.Donny43 said:
I actually got an email at work today from someone whose signature includes the line My pronouns are she, her and hers.
It might be intended to "show solidarity" - it just looks stupid.0 -
I wasn't triggered - I laughed heartily. It was amusing not offensive.grabcocque said:
A teeny bit woke, perhaps, but unless you're an alt-reich snowflake looking for something to be triggered by, completely harmless.rpjs said:
It's also a way for cisgendered people to show solidarity and to make transgendered people's need to state their pronouns be unexceptional.Donny43 said:
She is called Jade. There really isn't any ambiguity.grabcocque said:
When trans/intersex/genderqueer people give out their preferred pronouns as they do their name as a matter of course, it strips transphobes of plausible deniability when misgendering and deadnaming people maliciously. And for everyone else, it forestalls potential awkwardness and should be viewed as an act of politeness.Donny43 said:
I actually got an email at work today from someone whose signature includes the line My pronouns are she, her and hers.0 -
Highcross in Leicester was busy, but not bursting last night. Neither John Lewis nor Jessops still had stock of what I wanted, so have either had a great Christmas and sold out, or cocked up stock levels and sent another willing customer to t'internet.stodge said:Afternoon all
Off work and on shopping detail - I think I'd rather be at work in all honesty. Went through Westfield at Stratford - didn't seem that busy to me and I do think for all the last minute push at the weekend it's going to be a disastrous season for much of High Street retail.
Corbyn clearly said what many people think he said. Does it matter? Not really except to re-enforce a view he's not fit to be Prime Minister and I suppose ultimately one of the two things holding the Conservatives together is terror of a Corbyn Government (the other is I think the Conservatives quite like being in Government, it's their role while Opposition doesn't suit them anywhere near as well).0 -
I went to Oxford, so as TSE will no doubt confirm, I did progress -- just barely.JosiasJessop said:
You've done well to learn to type. Have you progressed past the randomly-bashing-at-the-keys stage0 -
I'm curious as to why this, of all things, is something you're choosing to be cross about.Donny43 said:
It might be intended to "show solidarity" - it just looks stupid.
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16:49: Gatwick closed until at least 9pm
17:00: Gatwick closed until at least 10pm
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I thought that the preceding paragraph was pretty damning as well.Richard_Nabavi said:
He doesn't mince his words, especially in the two bottom paragraphs on the first page.dr_spyn said:https://twitter.com/IvanLewis_MP/status/1075791687547580416 Haven't yet read his letter in full.
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Indeed it is. Personal relationships are very important. If May had spent more time cultivating backbench MPs of all parties she might well be close to getting her deal through. But her high handed remoteness and personal diffidence antagonises people and makes them less likely to be supportive. Her attempts to get Labour MPs on board consisted solely of briefing the media about how at least 30 Labour MPs favoured a deal. If she had actually spoken privately to any MPs she would have realised that this was wishful thinking.kinabalu said:
Yes, the personal is often underestimated as a driver of big political decisions.Foxy said:A new Labour leader, or even Tom Watson as interim leader would be a very interesting development.
Though I think the real significance of the row is to make some sort of negotiated Labour support for the Deal even less likely. An olive branch would have ubeen better from TM, but she is too partisan.0 -
Yep.dr_spyn said:
I thought that the preceding paragraph was pretty damning as well.Richard_Nabavi said:
He doesn't mince his words, especially in the two bottom paragraphs on the first page.dr_spyn said:https://twitter.com/IvanLewis_MP/status/1075791687547580416 Haven't yet read his letter in full.
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JosiasJessop said:
Ah, that explains a lot.grabcocque said:
I was exaggerating for comic effect. I grew up in Essex.JosiasJessop said:
"Nearly in Norfolk ...?'grabcocque said:
Bad Guy Stansted airportAlastairMeeks said:
Don't let them in on the secret.OldKingCole said:
Southend Airport is a very pleasant place, for an airport. Considerably, by a considerable stretch, better than Stansted.matt said:
I’d be glad to fly out of Southend too. Drive or walk as well.AlastairMeeks said:Glad I flew out of Southend this morning.
Calls itself "London" Stansted
Is actually nearly in Norfolk
LOL. Your knowledge of geography is as poor as your knowledge of the EU !
You've done well to learn to type. Have you progressed past the randomly-bashing-at-the-keys stage
It's attitudes like that that encourage Brexit. Even as if, as I assume intended, 'humorous'!JosiasJessop said:
Ah, that explains a lot.grabcocque said:
I was exaggerating for comic effect. I grew up in Essex.JosiasJessop said:
"Nearly in Norfolk ...?'grabcocque said:
Bad Guy Stansted airportAlastairMeeks said:
Don't let them in on the secret.OldKingCole said:
Southend Airport is a very pleasant place, for an airport. Considerably, by a considerable stretch, better than Stansted.matt said:
I’d be glad to fly out of Southend too. Drive or walk as well.AlastairMeeks said:Glad I flew out of Southend this morning.
Calls itself "London" Stansted
Is actually nearly in Norfolk
LOL. Your knowledge of geography is as poor as your knowledge of the EU !
You've done well to learn to type. Have you progressed past the randomly-bashing-at-the-keys stage
My eldest granddaughter, when at Uni in the N of England, always described herself as a 'girl from Essex', NOT as Essex Girl.
Incidentally, she now works in Yorkshire.0 -
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London Luton Airport is in Bedfordshire.rpjs said:
At least STN is in a county that borders Greater London. Gatters isn't.grabcocque said:
I was exaggerating for comic effect. I grew up in Essex.JosiasJessop said:
"Nearly in Norfolk ...?'grabcocque said:
Bad Guy Stansted airportAlastairMeeks said:
Don't let them in on the secret.OldKingCole said:
Southend Airport is a very pleasant place, for an airport. Considerably, by a considerable stretch, better than Stansted.matt said:
I’d be glad to fly out of Southend too. Drive or walk as well.AlastairMeeks said:Glad I flew out of Southend this morning.
Calls itself "London" Stansted
Is actually nearly in Norfolk
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Oh I see, I apologise then. Far too often you see obnoxious alt-reich USians on Twitter who have decided that queers are too hard a target now, and have decided to shift their abuse and victimisation onto trans- people as the next phase of the insufferable culture war.Donny43 said:
I wasn't triggered - I laughed heartily. It was amusing not offensive.grabcocque said:
A teeny bit woke, perhaps, but unless you're an alt-reich snowflake looking for something to be triggered by, completely harmless.rpjs said:
It's also a way for cisgendered people to show solidarity and to make transgendered people's need to state their pronouns be unexceptional.Donny43 said:
She is called Jade. There really isn't any ambiguity.grabcocque said:
When trans/intersex/genderqueer people give out their preferred pronouns as they do their name as a matter of course, it strips transphobes of plausible deniability when misgendering and deadnaming people maliciously. And for everyone else, it forestalls potential awkwardness and should be viewed as an act of politeness.Donny43 said:
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Unfortunately so. That said the Government measures to date have been balanced and I can't really complain. I know there have been masses of incidents of people using drones for peeping tom activities and also flying them in built up areas where if they fall they could do some serious harm to people. The CAA stuff is a bit costly (about £1000 when I did it though it has come down somewhat now) but actually very useful over and above just getting apiece of paper. Also the requirements as published for hobbyists do not seem to onerous to be honest. Basically obey the law and register your drone.Sandpit said:
That’s interesting. I might PM you in the new year if that’s okay, I’ve done some drone flying in other countries and was looking at getting a U.K. CAA approval.Richard_Tyndall said:
Yep I am aware of the requirements having done the school. I use a drone for photographing archaeological sites as part of my consultancy work.Sandpit said:
The CAA requirements for a commercial drone operation are not dissimilar to those for manned aircraft operations, include ground school and a flying test for pilots and production of operating procedures by the company.Richard_Tyndall said:
Not sure what contingency plans you can have. Planes and drones simply don't mix and there is a big enough exclusion zone around airports than no one can do it 'by accident'.AndyJS said:This was four years ago. There should have had a contingency plan for the Gatwick situation.
https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-30369701
The Government is introducing tougher rules for drones and anyone who wants to fly one for commercial reasons already needs a CAA licence. But if someone actually wants to cause disruption or worse an accident there is not that much more the airport can do proactively to prevent it. All their actions are likely to be reactive.
What’s going on at Gatwick appears to be the quite deliberate misuse of the sort of drones used commercially, some organised group must be behind it and it’s surprising we haven’t heard from them yet. Many other groups are going to see what’s going on and see the amount of disruption that can be caused by only a few people.
What’s almost certain from today’s story is that life will become harder for hobbyist and commercial drone pilots, while having no impact at all on the idiots who want to fly them near airports.
I only use a small drone (less than 2Kg) but it has the various limiters in it (not flying above 400ft and it will not work if it is inside an airfield red zone.) It gives me peace of mind that I don't inadvertently do something wrong. My view is that to actually fly over an airport/approach lane by accident is bloody difficult which why I think this is intentional.0 -
Which the party has failed to investigate despite them being a year old.justin124 said:Ivan Lewis had already been suspended from the party following allegations of sexual harassment!
Read his letter.0 -
I think you need to check out the two options 1) mail on line (quite UKIP) 2) daily mail as the newspaper and downloaded as mail plusIanB2 said:
No-one is going to feel sorry for the readers who spend all day upticking angry comments underneath their website articles, for sure.grabcocque said:
Yes, but the Mail's readers, by and large, are not. Which made it seems like an interesting pivot.Anazina said:
Interesting background – I can see that that might be true. Also, Geordie Grieg (the new editor) is a world away from the odious Paul Dacre's politics. Greig is a sort of europhile, metropolitan liberal Tory. It's a completely different newspaper these days.grabcocque said:Oh, btw, I was talking to an acquaintance recently, who is married to a Daily Mail journalist, about the Mail's dramatic and suddenly shift in editorial line.
I was reliably told, and this is not something I'd heard here, that the shift in editorial tone was largely necessitated by the Stop Funding Hate campaign.
Apparently SFH managed to convince so many advertisers to pull their contracts with the Mail that Rothermere was convinced that it was an existential threat to the paper unless they shifted to an editorial line that advertisers were comfortable with.
As a business decision, it makes sense now. Keeping advertisers on board is much more important for the long term health of the Mail's brand.
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Mr Lewis - I salute you.
In other news
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-6515365/Only-lip-reader-Jeremy-Corbyns-stupid-people-claim-dropped-CPS.html
Probably up for a knighthood ;-)0 -
Maybe but she has an EU approved treaty and is likely to be unique in history if we fail to leavestodge said:
It may or may not be "business friendly" - some bits of business like it (because they are terrified of No Deal) and other parts of business are less enthusiastic. Don't assume the CBI is either a) united or b) speaks for all business.Big_G_NorthWales said:I believe TM knew the two extremes of no deal and no brexit were not possible so she set herself on a course that delivers a business friendly brexit which is leaving but also is not remain
It is a brave course and she may not succeed but she will always go down as the British PM who obtained a legal brexit treaty with the EU
To be picky, it won't be a legal treaty unless we approve it. If the Commons fails to back her next month, she could go down in history as another Conservative PM wrecked on the rocks of Europe.0 -
Same advertisers though. If Mail Online's editorial line drives away an advertiser, that's revenue lost to both Mail Online and the newspaper.Big_G_NorthWales said:
I think you need to check out the two options 1) mail on line (quite UKIP) 2) daily mail as the newspaper and downloaded as mail plus
They are very different - I never read mail on line
Of course, I always like to point out that the single most successful online news source in the world, Buzzfeed, has no banner ads and never has.
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Your close but decisive support for the people's vote is welcome! When the vote comes let's hope it is decisive and not close.Donny43 said:
I do support the People's Vote. It was close but decisive.Foxy said:
I am OK with that, it makes Rejoin far more likely if the Brexit outcome is forced on a public that has changed its mind.rottenborough said:
Brexiteers who want it to stick should support a #peoplesvote.0 -
The Dutch are already using Eagles to take out drones.malcolmg said:
WE could train geese to knock out drones.RobD said:
But a drone could be used maliciously. I don't think we have developed the technology to pilot geese.rural_voter said:
This was last week in MexicoTheWhiteRabbit said:
The contingency plans will be around how to manage disruption.Richard_Tyndall said:
Not sure what contingency plans you can have. Planes and drones simply don't mix and there is a big enough exclusion zone around airports than no one can do it 'by accident'.AndyJS said:This was four years ago. There should have had a contingency plan for the Gatwick situation.
https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-30369701
The Government is introducing tougher rules for drones and anyone who wants to fly one for commercial reasons already needs a CAA licence. But if someone actually wants to cause disruption or worse an accident there is not that much more the airport can do proactively to prevent it. All their actions are likely to be reactive.
https://metro.co.uk/2018/12/14/passenger-plane-left-gaping-hole-crashing-drone-8249661/
It resembles the damage caused by a large bird
https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/4543186/bird-strike-boeing-737-sudan/
We don't close airports because of flocks of geese. Just carry on flying.
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'Alleged' might be sensibleDanny565 said:
Yes, it's a bit of a coincidence that these Labour MPs only discover that their consciences don't allow them to stay in the party only when they're about to be found guilty of misbehaviour (Woodcock, Lewis), or are about to be deselected (Field).justin124 said:Ivan Lewis had already been suspended from the party following allegations of sexual harassment!
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T'was indeed meant to be a joke. Although it's interesting to see that Brexiteers are so utterly lacking in humour that such a comment could be seen as 'encouraging' Brexit!OldKingCole said:
It's attitudes like that that encourage Brexit. Even as if, as I assume intended, 'humorous'!
My eldest granddaughter, when at Uni in the N of England, always described herself as a 'girl from Essex', NOT as Essex Girl.
Incidentally, she now works in Yorkshire.
I mean, FFS!
I'm from Derbyshire, and as I often say: "Deryshire born, Derbyshire bred. Strong in t'arm, think in t'head."0 -
1709hrs: Gatwick closed until 11pm???Richard_Nabavi said:16:49: Gatwick closed until at least 9pm
17:00: Gatwick closed until at least 10pm
Just extraordinary,
Nowt wrong with Essex. It's a beautiful county, in parts. Dedham Vale is stunning, Epping Forest 12 miles of blissful solitude on the edge of London, and has the longest coastline of any county in England (and the most islands).OldKingCole said:JosiasJessop said:
Ah, that explains a lot.grabcocque said:
I was exaggerating for comic effect. I grew up in Essex.JosiasJessop said:
"Nearly in Norfolk ...?'grabcocque said:
Bad Guy Stansted airportAlastairMeeks said:
Don't let them in on the secret.OldKingCole said:
Southend Airport is a very pleasant place, for an airport. Considerably, by a considerable stretch, better than Stansted.matt said:
I’d be glad to fly out of Southend too. Drive or walk as well.AlastairMeeks said:Glad I flew out of Southend this morning.
Calls itself "London" Stansted
Is actually nearly in Norfolk
LOL. Your knowledge of geography is as poor as your knowledge of the EU !
You've done well to learn to type. Have you progressed past the randomly-bashing-at-the-keys stage
It's attitudes like that that encourage Brexit. Even as if, as I assume intended, 'humorous'!JosiasJessop said:
Ah, that explains a lot.grabcocque said:
I was exaggerating for comic effect. I grew up in Essex.JosiasJessop said:
"Nearly in Norfolk ...?'grabcocque said:
Bad Guy Stansted airportAlastairMeeks said:
Don't let them in on the secret.OldKingCole said:
Southend Airport is a very pleasant place, for an airport. Considerably, by a considerable stretch, better than Stansted.matt said:
I’d be glad to fly out of Southend too. Drive or walk as well.AlastairMeeks said:Glad I flew out of Southend this morning.
Calls itself "London" Stansted
Is actually nearly in Norfolk
LOL. Your knowledge of geography is as poor as your knowledge of the EU !
You've done well to learn to type. Have you progressed past the randomly-bashing-at-the-keys stage
My eldest granddaughter, when at Uni in the N of England, always described herself as a 'girl from Essex', NOT as Essex Girl.
Incidentally, she now works in Yorkshire.0 -
It's not EU approved yet. It's been approved by the EUCO, but it has not yet been approved by the European Parliament, the Parliament of the UK or the Parliaments of the EU27.Big_G_NorthWales said:
Maybe but she has an EU approved treaty and is likely to be unique in history if we fail to leavestodge said:
It may or may not be "business friendly" - some bits of business like it (because they are terrified of No Deal) and other parts of business are less enthusiastic. Don't assume the CBI is either a) united or b) speaks for all business.Big_G_NorthWales said:I believe TM knew the two extremes of no deal and no brexit were not possible so she set herself on a course that delivers a business friendly brexit which is leaving but also is not remain
It is a brave course and she may not succeed but she will always go down as the British PM who obtained a legal brexit treaty with the EU
To be picky, it won't be a legal treaty unless we approve it. If the Commons fails to back her next month, she could go down in history as another Conservative PM wrecked on the rocks of Europe.0 -
"about to be found guilty"Danny565 said:
Yes, it's a bit of a coincidence that these Labour MPs only discover that their consciences don't allow them to stay in the party only when they're about to be found guilty of misbehaviour (Woodcock, Lewis), or are about to be deselected (Field).justin124 said:Ivan Lewis had already been suspended from the party following allegations of sexual harassment!
Might help if they talked to him about the charges first no?
So much for presumed innocent.
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Then we can only default to your greater experience of exaggeration.grabcocque said:
I was exaggerating for comic effect. I grew up in Essex.JosiasJessop said:
"Nearly in Norfolk ...?'grabcocque said:
Bad Guy Stansted airportAlastairMeeks said:
Don't let them in on the secret.OldKingCole said:
Southend Airport is a very pleasant place, for an airport. Considerably, by a considerable stretch, better than Stansted.matt said:
I’d be glad to fly out of Southend too. Drive or walk as well.AlastairMeeks said:Glad I flew out of Southend this morning.
Calls itself "London" Stansted
Is actually nearly in Norfolk
LOL. Your knowledge of geography is as poor as your knowledge of the EU !0 -
It doesn't have to be approved by the parliaments of the EU27. At least not all of them.grabcocque said:
It's not EU approved yet. It's been approved by the EUCO, but it has not yet been approved by the European Parliament, the Parliament of the UK or the Parliaments of the EU27.Big_G_NorthWales said:
Maybe but she has an EU approved treaty and is likely to be unique in history if we fail to leavestodge said:
It may or may not be "business friendly" - some bits of business like it (because they are terrified of No Deal) and other parts of business are less enthusiastic. Don't assume the CBI is either a) united or b) speaks for all business.Big_G_NorthWales said:I believe TM knew the two extremes of no deal and no brexit were not possible so she set herself on a course that delivers a business friendly brexit which is leaving but also is not remain
It is a brave course and she may not succeed but she will always go down as the British PM who obtained a legal brexit treaty with the EU
To be picky, it won't be a legal treaty unless we approve it. If the Commons fails to back her next month, she could go down in history as another Conservative PM wrecked on the rocks of Europe.0 -
Not sure you've got cause and effect the right way round.Danny565 said:
Yes, it's a bit of a coincidence that these Labour MPs only discover that their consciences don't allow them to stay in the party only when they're about to be found guilty of misbehaviour (Woodcock, Lewis), or are about to be deselected (Field).justin124 said:Ivan Lewis had already been suspended from the party following allegations of sexual harassment!
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I don't think that's true. Ruling from the Chair?Richard_Tyndall said:
It doesn't have to be approved by the parliaments of the EU27. At least not all of them.grabcocque said:
It's not EU approved yet. It's been approved by the EUCO, but it has not yet been approved by the European Parliament, the Parliament of the UK or the Parliaments of the EU27.Big_G_NorthWales said:
Maybe but she has an EU approved treaty and is likely to be unique in history if we fail to leavestodge said:
It may or may not be "business friendly" - some bits of business like it (because they are terrified of No Deal) and other parts of business are less enthusiastic. Don't assume the CBI is either a) united or b) speaks for all business.Big_G_NorthWales said:I believe TM knew the two extremes of no deal and no brexit were not possible so she set herself on a course that delivers a business friendly brexit which is leaving but also is not remain
It is a brave course and she may not succeed but she will always go down as the British PM who obtained a legal brexit treaty with the EU
To be picky, it won't be a legal treaty unless we approve it. If the Commons fails to back her next month, she could go down in history as another Conservative PM wrecked on the rocks of Europe.0 -
Not sure what I have expressed wrongly to be honest, especially to involve Oliver Cromwell and the Good LordOldKingCole said:
Sorry, Mr G; as you know I have a high opinion of you, so, in the words of Oliver Cromwell, I beseech you, in the bowels of Christ, think it possible you may be mistaken.Big_G_NorthWales said:
I believe TM knew the two extremes of no deal and no brexit were not possible so she set herself on a course that delivers a business friendly brexit which is leaving but also is not remainOldKingCole said:
The word of Brexit was revealed to Theresa May and to Theresa May alone. And she has a direct line to the views of the vast mority of the "British People'!Foxy said:
A new Labour leader, or even Tom Watson as interim leader would be a very interesting development.kinabalu said:He was only muttering what most people were thinking as she launched into that cruel and bullying pantomime routine. She was mocking him. Mocking him in front of his own MPs and inviting her own MPs to laugh along. Hardly surprising that Jeremy felt the need to retaliate. I bet what he really wanted to do was get up and slap her round the chops. Yet he did not do that. No violence whatsoever. Mark of the man.
Still, to be serious, has he not stood up and lied to the House of Commons? Yes, he undeniably has. Therefore could this not, trivial as it seems to many, lead to a scandal which grows and grows until the only way to end it is for him to stand down as Labour leader? Unlikely. Very unlikely indeed. But not impossible.
If so, what a time for that to happen, right slap bang in the middle of the biggest political crisis that this country has seen for many a year!
Though I think the real significance of the row is to make some sort of negotiated Labour support for the Deal even less likely. An olive branch would have been better from TM, but she is too partisan.
She just isn't interested in what anyone else, who hasn't had the benefit of that revelation, hs to say.
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I'll give you a time machine to go back to a point where the People's Vote was still in the future.IanB2 said:
Your close but decisive support for the people's vote is welcome! When the vote comes let's hope it is decisive and not close.Donny43 said:
I do support the People's Vote. It was close but decisive.Foxy said:
I am OK with that, it makes Rejoin far more likely if the Brexit outcome is forced on a public that has changed its mind.rottenborough said:
Brexiteers who want it to stick should support a #peoplesvote.0 -
Has the Labour MP in the speedingticketgate case been sentenced yet?
Does anyone know what the parameters are?0 -
Dismal on the part of the police and the armed forces.Richard_Nabavi said:16:49: Gatwick closed until at least 9pm
17:00: Gatwick closed until at least 10pm
Just extraordinary,
Then again, why are we surprised? It took several nights of criminal rampage in 2011 before the police realised that perhaps it would be best to try to stop the rioters.
Thanks to New Labour, the leadership of the police is now the same ineffectual caste that infests the civil service. Now that we have Crapita organising recruitment for the armed forces, I’m sure they’ll be next.0 -
I trust you had good weather for your visit?grabcocque said:
I went to Oxford, so as TSE will no doubt confirm, I did progress -- just barely.JosiasJessop said:
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Doubt it can be much worse than periods of the 70's such as the 3 day week or winter of discontent. Of course you have to be of a certain vintage to remember the 70's.rpjs said:So, no-dealers of PB, how sanguine do you feel about the UK's ability to cope with a crash-out Brexit now?
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Apparently the army has "unique capabilities" to resolve the drone situation but we can't be told what they are.
I presumes its that they'll start executing every civilian in Crawley until somebody owns up.0 -
I thought that desciption applied to Yorkshire!JosiasJessop said:
T'was indeed meant to be a joke. Although it's interesting to see that Brexiteers are so utterly lacking in humour that such a comment could be seen as 'encouraging' Brexit!OldKingCole said:
It's attitudes like that that encourage Brexit. Even as if, as I assume intended, 'humorous'!
My eldest granddaughter, when at Uni in the N of England, always described herself as a 'girl from Essex', NOT as Essex Girl.
Incidentally, she now works in Yorkshire.
I mean, FFS!
I'm from Derbyshire, and as I often say: "Deryshire born, Derbyshire bred. Strong in t'arm, think in t'head."
If I can explain my concern, it's that Brexit was voted for by people who were disenchanted by what they saw as the attitudes of a 'metropolitan elite'
And, for the avoidance of doubt I voted FOR British involvement in the EU as I did in 1975. And this time, as again I did in '75 I'll do my best to encourage my neighbours to do the same thing. I didn't do enough, I fear and regret, in 2016.
Edited for date. I'm sure we'll have sorted this within 100 years!
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grabcocque said:
Apparently the army has "unique capabilities" to resolve the drone situation but we can't be told what they are.
I presumes its that they'll start executing every civilian in Crawley until somebody owns up.
Surely only those on the white working class estates are likely to be involved. Leave out the nicer areas of Crawley.. some it is very leafy.
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It better not do that with one with metal blades, it will be the eagle falling to the ground, not the drone.Richard_Tyndall said:
The Dutch are already using Eagles to take out drones.malcolmg said:
WE could train geese to knock out drones.RobD said:
But a drone could be used maliciously. I don't think we have developed the technology to pilot geese.rural_voter said:
This was last week in MexicoTheWhiteRabbit said:
The contingency plans will be around how to manage disruption.Richard_Tyndall said:
Not sure what contingency plans you can have. Planes and drones simply don't mix and there is a big enough exclusion zone around airports than no one can do it 'by accident'.AndyJS said:This was four years ago. There should have had a contingency plan for the Gatwick situation.
https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-30369701
The Government is introducing tougher rules for drones and anyone who wants to fly one for commercial reasons already needs a CAA licence. But if someone actually wants to cause disruption or worse an accident there is not that much more the airport can do proactively to prevent it. All their actions are likely to be reactive.
https://metro.co.uk/2018/12/14/passenger-plane-left-gaping-hole-crashing-drone-8249661/
It resembles the damage caused by a large bird
https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/4543186/bird-strike-boeing-737-sudan/
We don't close airports because of flocks of geese. Just carry on flying.
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Very useful, thanks. I did a lot of the ground school stuff a decade ago as part of my private pilot’s licence, and most of it is just common sense and knowing the law.Richard_Tyndall said:
Unfortunately so. That said the Government measures to date have been balanced and I can't really complain. I know there have been masses of incidents of people using drones for peeping tom activities and also flying them in built up areas where if they fall they could do some serious harm to people. The CAA stuff is a bit costly (about £1000 when I did it though it has come down somewhat now) but actually very useful over and above just getting apiece of paper. Also the requirements as published for hobbyists do not seem to onerous to be honest. Basically obey the law and register your drone.Sandpit said:
That’s interesting. I might PM you in the new year if that’s okay, I’ve done some drone flying in other countries and was looking at getting a U.K. CAA approval.Richard_Tyndall said:
Yep I am aware of the requirements having done the school. I use a drone for photographing archaeological sites as part of my consultancy work.Sandpit said:Richard_Tyndall said:
.AndyJS said:This was four years ago. There should have had a contingency plan for the Gatwick situation.
https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-30369701
What’s almost certain from today’s story is that life will become harder for hobbyist and commercial drone pilots, while having no impact at all on the idiots who want to fly them near airports.
I only use a small drone (less than 2Kg) but it has the various limiters in it (not flying above 400ft and it will not work if it is inside an airfield red zone.) It gives me peace of mind that I don't inadvertently do something wrong. My view is that to actually fly over an airport/approach lane by accident is bloody difficult which why I think this is intentional.
As you say, most of the mid-range drones have a geofencing database built in, so you can’t fly in controlled airspace.
The Gatwick incident is almost certainly intentional, I’m sure we’ll find out soon enough which group is behind it. There’s a bloody big piece of restricted airspace around LGW, no chance it’s an accident that someone’s flying there. I’m guessing from the response that we are dealing with something big enough to seriously damage a plane, rather than a toy drone - probably one or more of the six-rotor drones that can carry a 3kg SLR camera - or 3kg of batteries that give it an hour or more of endurance.0 -
A lot of people nowadays have had a sense of humour bypass. Or at least effect to have had one when it suits their purpose.JosiasJessop said:
T'was indeed meant to be a joke. Although it's interesting to see that Brexiteers are so utterly lacking in humour that such a comment could be seen as 'encouraging' Brexit!OldKingCole said:
It's attitudes like that that encourage Brexit. Even as if, as I assume intended, 'humorous'!
My eldest granddaughter, when at Uni in the N of England, always described herself as a 'girl from Essex', NOT as Essex Girl.
Incidentally, she now works in Yorkshire.
Anti-social media is absolutely saturated with professional offence takers expressing outrage, faux or genuine, about everyone and against everything.0 -
The post to which I replied. That Mrs May knows what she is doing, and it is her 'best'!Big_G_NorthWales said:
Not sure what I have expressed wrongly to be honest, especially to involve Oliver Cromwell and the Good LordOldKingCole said:
Sorry, Mr G; as you know I have a high opinion of you, so, in the words of Oliver Cromwell, I beseech you, in the bowels of Christ, think it possible you may be mistaken.Big_G_NorthWales said:
I believe TM knew the two extremes of no deal and no brexit were not possible so she set herself on a course that delivers a business friendly brexit which is leaving but also is not remainOldKingCole said:
The word of Brexit was revealed to Theresa May and to Theresa May alone. And she has a direct line to the views of the vast mority of the "British People'!Foxy said:
A new Labour leader, or even Tom Watson as interim leader would be a very interesting development.kinabalu said:He was only muttering what most people were thinking as she launched into that cruel and bullying pantomime routine. She was mocking him. Mocking him in front of his own MPs and inviting her own MPs to laugh along. Hardly surprising that Jeremy felt the need to retaliate. I bet what he really wanted to do was get up and slap her round the chops. Yet he did not do that. No violence whatsoever. Mark of the man.
Still, to be serious, has he not stood up and lied to the House of Commons? Yes, he undeniably has. Therefore could this not, trivial as it seems to many, lead to a scandal which grows and grows until the only way to end it is for him to stand down as Labour leader? Unlikely. Very unlikely indeed. But not impossible.
If so, what a time for that to happen, right slap bang in the middle of the biggest political crisis that this country has seen for many a year!
Though I think the real significance of the row is to make some sort of negotiated Labour support for the Deal even less likely. An olive branch would have been better from TM, but she is too partisan.
She just isn't interested in what anyone else, who hasn't had the benefit of that revelation, hs to say.
It is a brave course and she may not succeed but she will always go down as the British PM who obtained a legal brexit treaty with the EU0 -
Believe sentencing is in JanuarySquareRoot said:Has the Labour MP in the speedingticketgate case been sentenced yet?
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Didn't work out, sadly:Richard_Tyndall said:
The Dutch are already using Eagles to take out drones.malcolmg said:
WE could train geese to knock out drones.RobD said:
But a drone could be used maliciously. I don't think we have developed the technology to pilot geese.rural_voter said:
This was last week in MexicoTheWhiteRabbit said:
The contingency plans will be around how to manage disruption.Richard_Tyndall said:
Not sure what contingency plans you can have. Planes and drones simply don't mix and there is a big enough exclusion zone around airports than no one can do it 'by accident'.AndyJS said:This was four years ago. There should have had a contingency plan for the Gatwick situation.
https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-30369701
The Government is introducing tougher rules for drones and anyone who wants to fly one for commercial reasons already needs a CAA licence. But if someone actually wants to cause disruption or worse an accident there is not that much more the airport can do proactively to prevent it. All their actions are likely to be reactive.
https://metro.co.uk/2018/12/14/passenger-plane-left-gaping-hole-crashing-drone-8249661/
It resembles the damage caused by a large bird
https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/4543186/bird-strike-boeing-737-sudan/
We don't close airports because of flocks of geese. Just carry on flying.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tKNN49idCUo
https://www.theverge.com/2017/12/12/16767000/police-netherlands-eagles-rogue-drones0 -
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No. I asked this am, and someone posted it was not until the New Year.SquareRoot said:Has the Labour MP in the speedingticketgate case been sentenced yet?
Does anyone know what the parameters are?0
