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IanB2 said:
Lots of countryside around Gatwick to do the recovery and recharging without being spotted. This has got to be a deliberate protest; whoever it was ran it throughout the night and today is the busiest travelling day for the Xmas getawaytlg86 said:So why Gatwick? Why not Heathrow, or both?
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Leaving aside the relevance of the comparison, I'm unclear which court she believes Moses was found guilty by.Tissue_Price said:0 -
This is clearly going to happen again now its been so succesful isn’t it?David_Evershed said:IanB2 said:
Lots of countryside around Gatwick to do the recovery and recharging without being spotted. This has got to be a deliberate protest; whoever it was ran it throughout the night and today is the busiest travelling day for the Xmas getawaytlg86 said:So why Gatwick? Why not Heathrow, or both?
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Depending on the weather I think shooting a drone down is actually quite hard. Birdshot is only good out to about 35-40m so you probably want something like a .22LR.0
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One can't deny it's been extremely effective, seem to have been no contingency plans for it whatsoever.Gallowgate said:
This is clearly going to happen again now its been so succesful isn’t it?David_Evershed said:IanB2 said:
Lots of countryside around Gatwick to do the recovery and recharging without being spotted. This has got to be a deliberate protest; whoever it was ran it throughout the night and today is the busiest travelling day for the Xmas getawaytlg86 said:So why Gatwick? Why not Heathrow, or both?
It will be environmentalists stopping emissions.0 -
I hope it becomes a nationwide craze like Pokemon Go.Gallowgate said:
This is clearly going to happen again now its been so succesful isn’t it?David_Evershed said:IanB2 said:
Lots of countryside around Gatwick to do the recovery and recharging without being spotted. This has got to be a deliberate protest; whoever it was ran it throughout the night and today is the busiest travelling day for the Xmas getawaytlg86 said:So why Gatwick? Why not Heathrow, or both?
It will be environmentalists stopping emissions.0 -
Or it could be a trial run for something more sinister. Airplanes grounded. The police diverted looking for the drone operator. Meanwhile, hundreds, thousands of people are trapped inside an airport and anyone can just turn up and ..... well, use your imagination.David_Evershed said:IanB2 said:
Lots of countryside around Gatwick to do the recovery and recharging without being spotted. This has got to be a deliberate protest; whoever it was ran it throughout the night and today is the busiest travelling day for the Xmas getawaytlg86 said:So why Gatwick? Why not Heathrow, or both?
It will be environmentalists stopping emissions.0 -
When's the sentencing?Tissue_Price said:
Quite so - at the very least she won't want to resign today. Labour must be furious (see leak source!), though I note that Nick Brown gave evidence for her as a character witness.Pulpstar said:
Every day she doesn't resign is another £150 odd in the bank..Tissue_Price said:
But in a message sent to other Labour MPs on various WhatsApp groups this morning and leaked to The Times, Ms Onasanya hinted she would not quit, saying “this was not his end but rather the beginning of the next chapter” of her “story”, as it was with Jesus.0 -
What on earth has it got to do with him?williamglenn said:
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Daniel might be able to explain to Ms Onasanya that the writing is on the wall.
Mene, Mene, Tekel, Upharsin.0 -
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Err...why would you need a trial run? I hope you are not the only one with such a thought.Cyclefree said:
Or it could be a trial run for something more sinister. Airplanes grounded. The police diverted looking for the drone operator. Meanwhile, hundreds, thousands of people are trapped inside an airport and anyone can just turn up and ..... well, use your imagination.David_Evershed said:IanB2 said:
Lots of countryside around Gatwick to do the recovery and recharging without being spotted. This has got to be a deliberate protest; whoever it was ran it throughout the night and today is the busiest travelling day for the Xmas getawaytlg86 said:So why Gatwick? Why not Heathrow, or both?
It will be environmentalists stopping emissions.0 -
It was his idea in the first place. Dugin's Osnovy geopolitiki is his fucking koran.Cyclefree said:0 -
I would be very surprised if the police aren't keeping a very close eye on Extinction Rebellion.Gallowgate said:
This is clearly going to happen again now its been so succesful isn’t it?David_Evershed said:IanB2 said:
Lots of countryside around Gatwick to do the recovery and recharging without being spotted. This has got to be a deliberate protest; whoever it was ran it throughout the night and today is the busiest travelling day for the Xmas getawaytlg86 said:So why Gatwick? Why not Heathrow, or both?
It will be environmentalists stopping emissions.0 -
I suppose this thing at Gatwick it's a bit like Die Hard 2 (without the fake snow) - is that a Christmas movie?0
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There's been no date set yet. Perhaps we could have an Onasanya advent calendar when the judge obliges us.rottenborough said:
When's the sentencing?Tissue_Price said:
Quite so - at the very least she won't want to resign today. Labour must be furious (see leak source!), though I note that Nick Brown gave evidence for her as a character witness.Pulpstar said:
Every day she doesn't resign is another £150 odd in the bank..Tissue_Price said:
But in a message sent to other Labour MPs on various WhatsApp groups this morning and leaked to The Times, Ms Onasanya hinted she would not quit, saying “this was not his end but rather the beginning of the next chapter” of her “story”, as it was with Jesus.0 -
If it doesn't happen he'll be wanting a refund?Cyclefree said:0 -
If the judge has a sense of humour they'll give her an 11 month stretch.Tissue_Price said:
There's been no date set yet. Perhaps we could have an Onasanya advent calendar when the judge obliges us.rottenborough said:
When's the sentencing?Tissue_Price said:
Quite so - at the very least she won't want to resign today. Labour must be furious (see leak source!), though I note that Nick Brown gave evidence for her as a character witness.Pulpstar said:
Every day she doesn't resign is another £150 odd in the bank..Tissue_Price said:
But in a message sent to other Labour MPs on various WhatsApp groups this morning and leaked to The Times, Ms Onasanya hinted she would not quit, saying “this was not his end but rather the beginning of the next chapter” of her “story”, as it was with Jesus.0 -
I suppose there is the answer to my question if she would own up now the trial is doneTissue_Price said:
Quite so - at the very least she won't want to resign today. Labour must be furious (see leak source!), though I note that Nick Brown gave evidence for her as a character witness.Pulpstar said:
Every day she doesn't resign is another £150 odd in the bank..Tissue_Price said:
But in a message sent to other Labour MPs on various WhatsApp groups this morning and leaked to The Times, Ms Onasanya hinted she would not quit, saying “this was not his end but rather the beginning of the next chapter” of her “story”, as it was with Jesus.0 -
20 calibre rounds at 50/second and a 2.2 mile range, if fired at low trajectory say in the direction of the M4/M25, could make rush hour interesting!RobD said:
A gatling cannon - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phalanx_CIWSDavid_Evershed said:
What is Phalanx CIWS ?Dura_Ace said:
Phalanx CIWS on the M23 exit for the airport.TheWhiteRabbit said:
I can assure you it's not that simple.Pulpstar said:
Yes, they are not that sturdy - the police could just send their own drones in the air to knock it out the sky. Or use a trained bird of prey. This stuff really isn't tough.Gallowgate said:Kinda amazing that 1 drone can shut down Gatwick for what, 12 hours?
Drone technology has come on a long way. They are bigger, strong, can fly further and higher, and faster. They are now capable of disrupting flights before it is possible to intervene.
I don't know the specifics at Gatwick but all UK airports are now spending millions of pounds to try and keep up.
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So do I. But I am assuming those with sinister intentions do some form of reconnaissance and planning.IanB2 said:
Err...why would you need a trial run? I hope you are not the only one with such a thought.Cyclefree said:
Or it could be a trial run for something more sinister. Airplanes grounded. The police diverted looking for the drone operator. Meanwhile, hundreds, thousands of people are trapped inside an airport and anyone can just turn up and ..... well, use your imagination.David_Evershed said:IanB2 said:
Lots of countryside around Gatwick to do the recovery and recharging without being spotted. This has got to be a deliberate protest; whoever it was ran it throughout the night and today is the busiest travelling day for the Xmas getawaytlg86 said:So why Gatwick? Why not Heathrow, or both?
It will be environmentalists stopping emissions.
Anyway it doesn’t bear thinking about.
In more joyful news I have just been given as a Xmas surprise tickets to the Olympia Horse Show this evening so I shall be quaffing champagne and watching horse dancing and jumping and there is some stuff going on with dogs too. Sounds wonderful! I am a sucker for horse shows and agricultural shows and stuff like that.0 -
He loves to have fun is all.Cyclefree said:
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Seems like he's entitled to his opinion, he paid for the campaign...Cyclefree said:0 -
Of course, the space cannon could've easily taken out the drone by now.0
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She clearly hasn’t got the message. It’s Jeremy who’s the Messiah not her.kle4 said:
I suppose there is the answer to my question if she would own up now the trial is doneTissue_Price said:
Quite so - at the very least she won't want to resign today. Labour must be furious (see leak source!), though I note that Nick Brown gave evidence for her as a character witness.Pulpstar said:
Every day she doesn't resign is another £150 odd in the bank..Tissue_Price said:
But in a message sent to other Labour MPs on various WhatsApp groups this morning and leaked to The Times, Ms Onasanya hinted she would not quit, saying “this was not his end but rather the beginning of the next chapter” of her “story”, as it was with Jesus.0 -
Latest from the BoE:
These uncertainties are weighing on UK financial markets. UK bank funding costs and non-financial high-yield corporate bond spreads have risen sharply and by more than in other advanced economies. UK-focused equity prices have fallen materially. Sterling has depreciated further, and its volatility has risen substantially. Market-based indicators of inflation expectations in the United Kingdom have risen, including at longer horizons.
The further intensification of Brexit uncertainties, coupled with the slowing global economy, has also weighed on the near-term outlook for UK growth. Business investment has fallen for each of the past three quarters and is likely to remain weak in the near term. The housing market has remained subdued. Indicators of household consumption have generally been more resilient, although retail spending may be slowing.0 -
Gatwick now closed unti 4pm earliest0
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Day release to vote with St Jeremy.tlg86 said:
If the judge has a sense of humour they'll give her an 11 month stretch.Tissue_Price said:
There's been no date set yet. Perhaps we could have an Onasanya advent calendar when the judge obliges us.rottenborough said:
When's the sentencing?Tissue_Price said:
Quite so - at the very least she won't want to resign today. Labour must be furious (see leak source!), though I note that Nick Brown gave evidence for her as a character witness.Pulpstar said:
Every day she doesn't resign is another £150 odd in the bank..Tissue_Price said:
But in a message sent to other Labour MPs on various WhatsApp groups this morning and leaked to The Times, Ms Onasanya hinted she would not quit, saying “this was not his end but rather the beginning of the next chapter” of her “story”, as it was with Jesus.0 -
An interesting Skydata poll in relation to the Welsh Assembly_
National Assembly Regional Ballot
Lab 39
Con 23
PC 22
AA 7
UKIP 4
LD 2
Others 3
7-14 Dec, 1,014 people online
AA is the Abolish the Assembly group. On those figures they will gain representation next time. Were I still a resident , I would certainly support them.0 -
I saw one of Putin's MPs on Russian TV the other week saying that Russia was the only country holding out against a unipolar world controlled by America. I'm not sure their worldview is ready for China becoming a superpower.Dura_Ace said:
It was his idea in the first place. Dugin's Osnovy geopolitiki is his fucking koran.Cyclefree said:0 -
We have to deal with reality, not counterfactual speculation.IanB2 said:
I am not convinced the PM would have a deal that right now still stands some chance of being the resolution if that person had instead been Leadsom, or Boris, or Davis....AmpfieldAndy said:
May got a deal because she meekly conceded every point the EU demanded. 42% is pretty meaningless when you lose a 20% lead in the polls and your majority in a snap election you call and are saved from losing office by a Scottishrevival you have nothing to do with. Still, facts are not your strong suit are they.HYUFD said:
BigG speaks sense on this unlike your fanaticism.AmpfieldAndy said:
You don’t speak for the Tory Party either. Like me, you don’t speak for anyone but yourself but that is what the comments are for isn’t it - expressing individual opinions. As such, your high and mighty tone is both misplaced and risible frankly.Big_G_NorthWales said:
You do not talk for the conservative party as a whole. Indeed are you even a voting memberAmpfieldAndy said:Once May’s deal is defeated, she can’t possibly stay and no one in the Tory Party would want her to. She would face a proper VNOC from Labour then, which she’d probably win but she would then be the news rather than policy which would be a massive distraction.
With Labour currently on the back foot after Corbyn’s mad moment yesterday, and idiotic attempt at a VNOC which made the Keystone Cops look competent, she’d after to make way. She won’t be missed.
As for Brexit, it might not happen at all. The chances of no deal or no Brexit must be about neck and neck.
Furthermore, if the deal fails the DUP will not support a vnoc
As far as the future outcome we cannot look past the meaningful vote and the order the amendments are taken and whether any will have majority support
TM will stand down in due course but right now she is an asset to the party and has a great amount of support in the country, compared to any of the alternatives
The meaningful vote is meaningless. May’s deal won’t pass with the backstop and the backstop isn’t going to change. She pulled the vote for a reason.
Once her deal is defeated, thoughts will turn to the inevitable leadership contest and the next general election. Whatever is left of her shattered authority and and power will ebb away and she’ll be gone. She’s been a total disaster and a worse Tory PM than either Eden or Heath which is really plumbing the depths.
May has got a Deal which is more than most would have and got 42% in 20170 -
Despite Brexit obviously
https://order-order.com/2018/12/20/britain-still-best-country-world-business/0 -
Well, he quite likely paid for it...Cyclefree said:0 -
The reality is that she has done better than anyone else would have, imo. Which is not to say she has handled it brilliantly; a more colleagiate approach from the outset might have increased her chances of getting the deal through. But the challenge was near impossible to start with.AmpfieldAndy said:
We have to deal with reality, not counterfactual speculation.IanB2 said:
I am not convinced the PM would have a deal that right now still stands some chance of being the resolution if that person had instead been Leadsom, or Boris, or Davis....AmpfieldAndy said:
May got a deal because she meekly conceded every point the EU demanded. 42% is pretty meaningless when you lose a 20% lead in the polls and your majority in a snap election you call and are saved from losing office by a Scottishrevival you have nothing to do with. Still, facts are not your strong suit are they.HYUFD said:
BigG speaks sense on thisAmpfieldAndy said:
You don’t speak for the Tory Party either. Like me, you don’t speak for anyone but yourself but that is what the comments are for isn’t it - expressing individual opinions. As such, your high and mighty tone is both misplaced and risible frankly.Big_G_NorthWales said:
You do not talk for the conservative party as a whole. Indeed are you even a voting memberAmpfieldAndy said:Once May’s deal is defeated, she can’t possibly stay and no one in the Tory Party would want her to. She would .
With Labour currently on the back foot after Corbyn’s mad moment yesterday, and idiotic attempt at a VNOC which made the Keystone Cops look competent, she’d after to make way. She won’t be missed.
As for Brexit, it might not happen at all. The chances of no deal or no Brexit must be about neck and neck.
Furthermore, if the deal fails the DUP will not support a vnoc
As far as the future outcome we cannot look past the meaningful vote and the order the amendments are taken and whether any will have majority support
TM will stand down in due course but right now she is an asset to the party and has a great amount of support in the country, compared to any of the alternatives
The meaningful vote is meaningless. May’s deal won’t pass with the backstop and the backstop isn’t going to change. She pulled the vote for a reason.
Once her deal is defeated, thoughts will turn to the inevitable leadership contest and the next general election. Whatever is left of her shattered authority and and power will ebb away and she’ll be gone. She’s been a total disaster and a worse Tory PM than either Eden or Heath which is really plumbing the depths.
May has got a Deal which is more than most would have and got 42% in 2017
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As far as I know, none of them perverted the course of justice.Endillion said:
Leaving aside the relevance of the comparison, I'm unclear which court she believes Moses was found guilty by.Tissue_Price said:0 -
With all those lovely natural resources in Russian far east you would have thought they would realise where the greater strategic threat comes from.williamglenn said:
I saw one of Putin's MPs on Russian TV the other week saying that Russia was the only country holding out against a unipolar world controlled by America. I'm not sure their worldview is ready for China becoming a superpower.Dura_Ace said:
It was his idea in the first place. Dugin's Osnovy geopolitiki is his fucking koran.Cyclefree said:
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She is just a silly woman.....Cyclefree said:
She clearly hasn’t got the message. It’s Jeremy who’s the Messiah not her.kle4 said:
I suppose there is the answer to my question if she would own up now the trial is doneTissue_Price said:
Quite so - at the very least she won't want to resign today. Labour must be furious (see leak source!), though I note that Nick Brown gave evidence for her as a character witness.Pulpstar said:
Every day she doesn't resign is another £150 odd in the bank..Tissue_Price said:
But in a message sent to other Labour MPs on various WhatsApp groups this morning and leaked to The Times, Ms Onasanya hinted she would not quit, saying “this was not his end but rather the beginning of the next chapter” of her “story”, as it was with Jesus.
Tm Jezbollah0 -
I wouldn't want to be her counsel trying mitigate after that. Is she raving mad?kle4 said:
I suppose there is the answer to my question if she would own up now the trial is doneTissue_Price said:
Quite so - at the very least she won't want to resign today. Labour must be furious (see leak source!), though I note that Nick Brown gave evidence for her as a character witness.Pulpstar said:
Every day she doesn't resign is another £150 odd in the bank..Tissue_Price said:
But in a message sent to other Labour MPs on various WhatsApp groups this morning and leaked to The Times, Ms Onasanya hinted she would not quit, saying “this was not his end but rather the beginning of the next chapter” of her “story”, as it was with Jesus.-1 -
That’s your opinion. Nothing to do with reality.IanB2 said:
The reality is that she has done better than anyone else would have, imo.AmpfieldAndy said:
We have to deal with reality, not counterfactual speculation.IanB2 said:
I am not convinced the PM would have a deal that right now still stands some chance of being the resolution if that person had instead been Leadsom, or Boris, or Davis....AmpfieldAndy said:
May got a deal because she meekly conceded every point the EU demanded. 42% is pretty meaningless when you lose a 20% lead in the polls and your majority in a snap election you call and are saved from losing office by a Scottishrevival you have nothing to do with. Still, facts are not your strong suit are they.HYUFD said:
May has got a Deal which is more than most would have and got 42% in 2017AmpfieldAndy said:
You don’t speak for the Tory Party either. Like me, you don’t speak for anyone but yourself but that is what the comments are for isn’t it - expressing individual opinions. As such, your high and mighty tone is both misplaced and risible frankly.Big_G_NorthWales said:
You do not talk for the conservative party as a whole. Indeed are you even a voting memberAmpfieldAndy said:Once May’s deal is defeated, she can’t possibly stay and no one in the Tory Party would want her to. She would face a proper VNOC from Labour then, which she’d probably win but she would then be the news rather than policy which would be a massive distraction.
With Labour currently on the back foot after Corbyn’s mad moment yesterday, and idiotic attempt at a VNOC which made the Keystone Cops look competent, she’d after to make way. She won’t be missed.
As for Brexit, it might not happen at all. The chances of no deal or no Brexit must be about neck and neck.
Furthermore, if the deal fails the DUP will not support a vnoc
As far as the future outcome we cannot look past the meaningful vote and the order the amendments are taken and whether any will have majority support
TM will stand down in due course but right now she is an asset to the party and has a great amount of support in the country, compared to any of the alternatives
The meaningful vote is meaningless. May’s deal won’t pass with the backstop and the backstop isn’t going to change. She pulled the vote for a reason.
Once her deal is defeated, thoughts will turn to the inevitable leadership contest and the next general election. Whatever is left of her shattered authority and and power will ebb away and she’ll be gone. She’s been a total disaster and a worse Tory PM than either Eden or Heath which is really plumbing the depths.0 -
What is there to say, when your client has revealed herself to be an unrepentant serial liar?Carolus_Rex said:
I wouldn't want to be her counsel trying mitigate after that. Is she raving mad?kle4 said:
I suppose there is the answer to my question if she would own up now the trial is doneTissue_Price said:
Quite so - at the very least she won't want to resign today. Labour must be furious (see leak source!), though I note that Nick Brown gave evidence for her as a character witness.Pulpstar said:
Every day she doesn't resign is another £150 odd in the bank..Tissue_Price said:
But in a message sent to other Labour MPs on various WhatsApp groups this morning and leaked to The Times, Ms Onasanya hinted she would not quit, saying “this was not his end but rather the beginning of the next chapter” of her “story”, as it was with Jesus.0 -
Does your second sentence not give some indication on direction of travel for the first?Carolus_Rex said:
I wouldn't want to be her counsel trying mitigate after that. Is she raving mad?kle4 said:
I suppose there is the answer to my question if she would own up now the trial is doneTissue_Price said:
Quite so - at the very least she won't want to resign today. Labour must be furious (see leak source!), though I note that Nick Brown gave evidence for her as a character witness.Pulpstar said:
Every day she doesn't resign is another £150 odd in the bank..Tissue_Price said:
But in a message sent to other Labour MPs on various WhatsApp groups this morning and leaked to The Times, Ms Onasanya hinted she would not quit, saying “this was not his end but rather the beginning of the next chapter” of her “story”, as it was with Jesus.0 -
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And half of Crawley. Whether that is a bonus or a cost I leave to the reader.Morris_Dancer said:Of course, the space cannon could've easily taken out the drone by now.
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What does this mean?AlastairMeeks said:0 -
Time for a remake. The Brexit Britain drone version.tlg86 said:I suppose this thing at Gatwick it's a bit like Die Hard 2 (without the fake snow) - is that a Christmas movie?
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That bondholders aren't very confident about the company's future and have been heavily sellingGallowgate said:
What does this mean?AlastairMeeks said:
Edit/ and that if you are confident about Debenhams then their bonds are an early new year bargain0 -
Or a couple of bored Sussex stoners getting off on leading the news for 18 hours while they do nothing more than lurk by a lock-up with a remote controller.David_Evershed said:IanB2 said:
Lots of countryside around Gatwick to do the recovery and recharging without being spotted. This has got to be a deliberate protest; whoever it was ran it throughout the night and today is the busiest travelling day for the Xmas getawaytlg86 said:So why Gatwick? Why not Heathrow, or both?
It will be environmentalists stopping emissions.0 -
In her defence she can cite that the first jury didn’t find her guilty*.
She’s fully justified in exhausting the appellate procedures.
*To an appropriate standard.
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"Punks stealing luggage."Harris_Tweed said:
Or a couple of bored Sussex stoners getting off on leading the news for 18 hours while they do nothing more than lurk by a lock-up with a remote controller.David_Evershed said:IanB2 said:
Lots of countryside around Gatwick to do the recovery and recharging without being spotted. This has got to be a deliberate protest; whoever it was ran it throughout the night and today is the busiest travelling day for the Xmas getawaytlg86 said:So why Gatwick? Why not Heathrow, or both?
It will be environmentalists stopping emissions.0 -
TBC, this a resumption of the programmed business from a few weeks ago. Five days of business were programmed, only three were ordered. So there's two days of debate remaining, including disposing of whatever amendments Mr Speaker selects.
Since this a continuation of the previous business, the Grieve Amendment remains in effect. Which is to say, when MPs reject the Meaningful Vote is when Parliament gets to take control of the process.0 -
Exodus 2:11-15 - I'll give her that one, allowing for the judicial standards of the time.Endillion said:
Leaving aside the relevance of the comparison, I'm unclear which court she believes Moses was found guilty by.Tissue_Price said:
NB he was guilty.0 -
Bonds are redeemable at 100.Gallowgate said:
What does this mean?AlastairMeeks said:
Therefore if you buy them at <100, that is one part of your return.
Lower prices = higher return = implies higher risk.
They will also pay interest, but the assumption of the tweet is that in the interest is the same.
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In English? The markets believe that Debenhams is only weeks away from collapse.Gallowgate said:
What does this mean?AlastairMeeks said:0 -
"Why the hell did we let this go to trial?"Sean_F said:
What is there to say, when your client has revealed herself to be an unrepentant serial liar?0 -
Would the fact that the first jury did not convict her be likely to have an impact on sentencing?0
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Doesn't want all that social media effort put to waste.Cyclefree said:0 -
I’m flexible and open to new positions.
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Hmm. Maybe if she'd said "by the judicial processes of their day", but "by the courts" is stretching it a bit...AlastairMeeks said:
Exodus 2:11-15 - I'll give her that one, allowing for the judicial standards of the time.Endillion said:
Leaving aside the relevance of the comparison, I'm unclear which court she believes Moses was found guilty by.Tissue_Price said:
NB he was guilty.0 -
Were they flying Yorkshire Airlines?williamglenn said:0 -
Depends how close it was.justin124 said:Would the fact that the first jury did not convict her be likely to have an impact on sentencing?
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A mistrial is neither a conviction nor acquittal, so doesn't tell you much. Especially as they won't have been party to the Jury's deliberations.justin124 said:Would the fact that the first jury did not convict her be likely to have an impact on sentencing?
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As much as anything the case does highlight the arbitrary 'luck of the draw' nature of justice. A third jury might have acquitted her.TheScreamingEagles said:
Depends how close it was.justin124 said:Would the fact that the first jury did not convict her be likely to have an impact on sentencing?
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Nah. If I recall correctly an overwhelming majority of the first jury voted to convict.justin124 said:
As much as anything the case does highlight the arbitrary 'luck of the draw' nature of justice. A third jury might have acquitted her.TheScreamingEagles said:
Depends how close it was.justin124 said:Would the fact that the first jury did not convict her be likely to have an impact on sentencing?
She got lucky that one juror fell ill and the threshold to convict effectively increased.0 -
Why?TheScreamingEagles said:
Depends how close it was.justin124 said:Would the fact that the first jury did not convict her be likely to have an impact on sentencing?
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An interesting comparison.
Though the Don is more of an overweight, lumbering kind of dinosaur.
https://www.politico.com/story/2018/12/20/oh-no-the-day-trump-learned-to-tweet-1070789
"The moment I found out Trump could tweet himself was comparable to the moment in ‘Jurassic Park’ when Dr. Grant realized that velociraptors could open doors,” recalled McConney, who was the Trump Organization’s director of social media from 2011 to 2017. “I was like, ‘Oh no.”"...0 -
Was it a hung jury? You only need three of the twelve jurors to not go with the majority decision.justin124 said:
As much as anything the case does highlight the arbitrary 'luck of the draw' nature of justice. A third jury might have acquitted her.TheScreamingEagles said:
Depends how close it was.justin124 said:Would the fact that the first jury did not convict her be likely to have an impact on sentencing?
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I wasn't aware that such information was divulged.TheScreamingEagles said:
Nah. If I recall correctly an overwhelming majority of the first jury voted to convict.justin124 said:
As much as anything the case does highlight the arbitrary 'luck of the draw' nature of justice. A third jury might have acquitted her.TheScreamingEagles said:
Depends how close it was.justin124 said:Would the fact that the first jury did not convict her be likely to have an impact on sentencing?
She got lucky that one juror fell ill and the threshold to convict effectively increased.0 -
I'm not saying Brexit is making everyone lose their minds, but:
https://twitter.com/labourwhips/status/10757402302238474240 -
See my post at 1.12pmTheWhiteRabbit said:
Why?TheScreamingEagles said:
Depends how close it was.justin124 said:Would the fact that the first jury did not convict her be likely to have an impact on sentencing?
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I mean, why would there be a difference in sentence (except for time served, although I doubt she was on remand) between this conviction and if the first jury had convicted?TheScreamingEagles said:
See my post at 1.12pmTheWhiteRabbit said:
Why?TheScreamingEagles said:
Depends how close it was.justin124 said:Would the fact that the first jury did not convict her be likely to have an impact on sentencing?
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Surely that information is known only to the jury?TheScreamingEagles said:
Nah. If I recall correctly an overwhelming majority of the first jury voted to convict.justin124 said:
As much as anything the case does highlight the arbitrary 'luck of the draw' nature of justice. A third jury might have acquitted her.TheScreamingEagles said:
Depends how close it was.justin124 said:Would the fact that the first jury did not convict her be likely to have an impact on sentencing?
She got lucky that one juror fell ill and the threshold to convict effectively increased.0 -
Surely jury deliberations are meant to remain secret and anyone revealing details would be liable to prosecution?0
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Because she didn’t plead guilty at the earliest opportunity which resulted in two costly trials.TheWhiteRabbit said:
I mean, why would there be a difference in sentence (except for time served, although I doubt she was on remand) between this conviction and if the first jury had convicted?TheScreamingEagles said:
See my post at 1.12pmTheWhiteRabbit said:
Why?TheScreamingEagles said:
Depends how close it was.justin124 said:Would the fact that the first jury did not convict her be likely to have an impact on sentencing?
She ain’t getting a discount for that.0 -
Kuenssberg was saying last night that May has got Olly Robbins working another magic unicorn to get the DUP onside which shows us several things.
1) Olly Robbins is a wonderful beneficiary of white male privilege. Every time he's fucked up, May has rewarded him with failing upwards.
2) Theresa May is incapable of learning from past experience.
3) The Cabinet is still holding out for a Unicorn hero to save them from their grand no-deal bluff.
4) The Cabinet do not believe the DUP or the Tory remainers are bluffing about a VONC.0 -
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Presumably that only affects remote controlled drones, not autonomous ones.CarlottaVance said:0 -
I work well on my own and in teams.TheScreamingEagles said:I’m flexible and open to new positions.
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I prefer to work alone.Dura_Ace said:
I work well on my own and in teams.TheScreamingEagles said:I’m flexible and open to new positions.
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I am adaptable and willing to take on any role if asked.Dura_Ace said:
I work well on my own and in teams.TheScreamingEagles said:I’m flexible and open to new positions.
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Does anyone know if Hizzoner is sentencing her and her brother concurrently?0
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The judge can work it out if the jury ask for a direction or if the judge changes from accepting a unanimous verdict to lower threshold.tlg86 said:
Surely that information is known only to the jury?TheScreamingEagles said:
Nah. If I recall correctly an overwhelming majority of the first jury voted to convict.justin124 said:
As much as anything the case does highlight the arbitrary 'luck of the draw' nature of justice. A third jury might have acquitted her.TheScreamingEagles said:
Depends how close it was.justin124 said:Would the fact that the first jury did not convict her be likely to have an impact on sentencing?
She got lucky that one juror fell ill and the threshold to convict effectively increased.0 -
Would it be the same judge for the second trial?TheScreamingEagles said:
The judge can work it out if the jury ask for a direction or if the judge changes from accepting a unanimous verdict to lower threshold.tlg86 said:
Surely that information is known only to the jury?TheScreamingEagles said:
Nah. If I recall correctly an overwhelming majority of the first jury voted to convict.justin124 said:
As much as anything the case does highlight the arbitrary 'luck of the draw' nature of justice. A third jury might have acquitted her.TheScreamingEagles said:
Depends how close it was.justin124 said:Would the fact that the first jury did not convict her be likely to have an impact on sentencing?
She got lucky that one juror fell ill and the threshold to convict effectively increased.0 -
I like to keep it in the family.dixiedean said:
I am adaptable and willing to take on any role if asked.Dura_Ace said:
I work well on my own and in teams.TheScreamingEagles said:I’m flexible and open to new positions.
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Does anyone understand Andrea Leadsom's plan for a managed No Deal?
Apparently it still involves negotiating a deal with a transition period, but presumably no backstop? Is she suggesting we should give up anything in return for the EU giving up the backstop? If not, why should the EU agree to her "No Deal Deal"?0 -
Edit: Fake account lol0
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Privelidge?Pulpstar said:https://twitter.com/FionaOnasanya/status/1075422858971701251
She's appealing; how the flying f*ck did she pass her LPC ?0 -
I think that's a parody account. She's not an ex MP... yet....Pulpstar said:https://twitter.com/FionaOnasanya/status/1075422858971701251
She's appealing; how the flying f*ck did she pass her LPC ?0 -
FAKE NEWS alert !0
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Gauke’s judgement was shown to be fundamentally flawed on the Worboys case. Why would anyone expect it to be different on Brexit or anything else.Scott_P said:0 -
Well he did pay for it.Cyclefree said:0 -
I doubt it, the evidence was overwhelming.justin124 said:
As much as anything the case does highlight the arbitrary 'luck of the draw' nature of justice. A third jury might have acquitted her.TheScreamingEagles said:
Depends how close it was.justin124 said:Would the fact that the first jury did not convict her be likely to have an impact on sentencing?
In the two trials, 21 out of 23 jurors believed her to be guilty.0
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