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She's Prime Minister. The buck stops with her. She is 100% responsible for it.Richard_Nabavi said:
She's not my mate, and she's most certainly not responsible for it. For all her many faults, it's hardly her fault that Corbyn torpedoed the Labour remain campaign, nor that the EU are intransigent, nor that Corbyn is playing cynical party-political games, and especially not that the ERG have decided they don't want the Brexit they campaigned for after all. And it's only partly her fault that the voters didn't give her the mandate she needed to get through all this.bigjohnowls said:
Your mate MAY is 100% responsible for this, even you know it.Richard_Nabavi said:
In the hands of your mate Corbyn. He just needs to vote for the deal and we're out.bigjohnowls said:If there turns out to be no BREXIT at all.
All that is left is to get our yellow jackets out.
ALL POLITICIANS have failed us and it is not acceptable
History will not be kind to her or her arse crawlers
If she'd bothered to turn up to the debates you might have a point on the mandate but even then she hasn't even tried to carry Parliament along with her during these negotiations.0 -
Has anyone compared how much Corbyn and May each campaigned during the referendum?Richard_Nabavi said:
She's not my mate, and she's most certainly not responsible for it. For all her many faults, it's hardly her fault that Corbyn torpedoed the Labour remain campaign, nor that the EU are intransigent, nor that Corbyn is playing cynical party-political games, and especially not that the ERG have decided they don't want the Brexit they campaigned for after all. And it's only partly her fault that the voters didn't give her the mandate she needed to get through all this.bigjohnowls said:
Your mate MAY is 100% responsible for this, even you know it.Richard_Nabavi said:
In the hands of your mate Corbyn. He just needs to vote for the deal and we're out.bigjohnowls said:If there turns out to be no BREXIT at all.
All that is left is to get our yellow jackets out.
ALL POLITICIANS have failed us and it is not acceptable
History will not be kind to her or her arse crawlers0 -
You still think its TM's deal including backstop that's the best option?Big_G_NorthWales said:Graham Brady saying no one wants the back stop and it is illegal and is pleased TM has paused the vote
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Is it illegal ?Big_G_NorthWales said:Graham Brady saying no one wants the back stop and it is illegal and is pleased TM has paused the vote
Patterson was going on about the act of Union 1801 and so forth.0 -
No, not all Leave voters are racist, but a lot certainly are, and having spoken to quite a few I doubt they would come through a polygraph test on racism very easily. Not all are completely stupid, but not many I have met will be qualifying for MENSA.KentRising said:
One in three BAME voters who voted voted for Leave. Leave wouldn't have won without their votes. My Cambodian-Canadian girlfriend voted to Leave. Your smearing of Leave voters as racist is unpleasant and you need to grow up.tpfkar said:
Yes quite sure - the polling was overwhelmingly clear and the age divide remains. For example YouGov the week after the referendumFloater said:
Really - are you so very sure of that?tpfkar said:
Possibly an age thing? The Will of the Pensioners is a more accurate description of those who voted for Brexit - the workers never wanted it.MarqueeMark said:
Remainer maths: 52% = "no-one".kle4 said:Anecdote alert - acquaintance of mine opines that brexit is a terrible idea which no one even wanted in the first place so it should be cancelled tomorrow. Good to see the debate is not still boiled down to simple answers.
Now, if he meant "no-one in my immediate circle of Facebook friends. All five of them." he might not have appeared such a pillock.
Let me save you time, no you are not sure because plenty of workers did and do still want it.
Even some very young workers in my place voted to leave.
https://yougov.co.uk/topics/politics/articles-reports/2016/06/27/how-britain-voted
Of course there were plenty of workers and young people who supported Brexit and senior citizens who did not; but they were not in the majority.
I'm really just trolling the 'Will of the People' phrase - clearly hit a nerve!0 -
Ugh. I can't believe that we've allowed ourselves to get bullied by these irrelevant turds.Philip_Thompson said:
He was very vocally in favour of Scottish Independence so maybe the latter.Xenon said:
Bullied into it by the EU or just hates us?Philip_Thompson said:
Indeed. He is public enemy number 1 as to why this is such a nightmare. Prior to that twerp taking office there was a mutually respectful alternative plan being created by both nations - after him its been like Brexit has been ran by Sinn Fein.Xenon said:
If we do end up with no deal then it will give some satisfaction to see the smug expression wiped off that twerp's face.grabcocque said:Leo Varadkar pissing on May's chips on the BBC
https://twitter.com/BBCNews/status/1072134790634074112
Will any of our politicians actually stick up for this country?
Priti Patel got shouted down with howls of outrage when she said we should point out what no deal would do to Ireland. And yet this bloke can smugly slag us off without any comeback.0 -
She has negotiated an agreement that will lead to an indefinite delay trapped in the backstop.grabcocque said:Apparently May is seeking a "legally-binding assurance" that we won't be trapped in the backstop indefinitely.
Let's rename indefinitely delayed Crossrail the "Theresa Line".0 -
I have no problem with itPhilip_Thompson said:
You still think its TM's deal including backstop that's the best option?Big_G_NorthWales said:Graham Brady saying no one wants the back stop and it is illegal and is pleased TM has paused the vote
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Yes.Philip_Thompson said:
You still think its TM's deal including backstop that's the best option?Big_G_NorthWales said:Graham Brady saying no one wants the back stop and it is illegal and is pleased TM has paused the vote
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But that's a ridiculous statement. How many Remainers would qualify for MENSA? You are resorting to insults because you can't be bothered to engage with the arguments. That's lazy.Nigel_Foremain said:
No, not all Leave voters are racist, but a lot certainly are, and having spoken to quite a few I doubt they would come through a polygraph test on racism very easily. Not all are completely stupid, but not many I have met will be qualifying for MENSA.KentRising said:
One in three BAME voters who voted voted for Leave. Leave wouldn't have won without their votes. My Cambodian-Canadian girlfriend voted to Leave. Your smearing of Leave voters as racist is unpleasant and you need to grow up.tpfkar said:
Yes quite sure - the polling was overwhelmingly clear and the age divide remains. For example YouGov the week after the referendumFloater said:
Really - are you so very sure of that?tpfkar said:
Possibly an age thing? The Will of the Pensioners is a more accurate description of those who voted for Brexit - the workers never wanted it.MarqueeMark said:
Remainer maths: 52% = "no-one".kle4 said:Anecdote alert - acquaintance of mine opines that brexit is a terrible idea which no one even wanted in the first place so it should be cancelled tomorrow. Good to see the debate is not still boiled down to simple answers.
Now, if he meant "no-one in my immediate circle of Facebook friends. All five of them." he might not have appeared such a pillock.
Let me save you time, no you are not sure because plenty of workers did and do still want it.
Even some very young workers in my place voted to leave.
https://yougov.co.uk/topics/politics/articles-reports/2016/06/27/how-britain-voted
Of course there were plenty of workers and young people who supported Brexit and senior citizens who did not; but they were not in the majority.
I'm really just trolling the 'Will of the People' phrase - clearly hit a nerve!0 -
Explain please? your witty repartee is confounding usReggieCide said:
Who's your chum?grabcocque said:ReggieCide said:
prickNigel_Foremain said:Surely the best compromise is to let all the old folk who voted for Brexit to pay a little extra for their passports so they can have a black one if they want it, and move as many of them as possible to the Falkland Islands, or New Zealand where they won't see many people with different skin colour/or speaking with funny accents.
When they are there we can simulate cliff edge Brexit specifically for them so they can see the effects on their cost of living, and allow them to pay for healthcare to simulate the NHS buckling through staff shortages . It will make great reality TV. It could be called, "I'm a Brexiteer get me out of here"
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TM should put it to the ECJ - that would be funPulpstar said:
Is it illegal ?Big_G_NorthWales said:Graham Brady saying no one wants the back stop and it is illegal and is pleased TM has paused the vote
Patterson was going on about the act of Union 1801 and so forth.0 -
You must be one hell of a bloke, all that knowledgeNigel_Foremain said:
No, not all Leave voters are racist, but a lot certainly are, and having spoken to quite a few I doubt they would come through a polygraph test on racism very easily. Not all are completely stupid, but not many I have met will be qualifying for MENSA.KentRising said:
One in three BAME voters who voted voted for Leave. Leave wouldn't have won without their votes. My Cambodian-Canadian girlfriend voted to Leave. Your smearing of Leave voters as racist is unpleasant and you need to grow up.tpfkar said:
Yes quite sure - the polling was overwhelmingly clear and the age divide remains. For example YouGov the week after the referendumFloater said:
Really - are you so very sure of that?tpfkar said:
Possibly an age thing? The Will of the Pensioners is a more accurate description of those who voted for Brexit - the workers never wanted it.MarqueeMark said:
Remainer maths: 52% = "no-one".kle4 said:Anecdote alert - acquaintance of mine opines that brexit is a terrible idea which no one even wanted in the first place so it should be cancelled tomorrow. Good to see the debate is not still boiled down to simple answers.
Now, if he meant "no-one in my immediate circle of Facebook friends. All five of them." he might not have appeared such a pillock.
Let me save you time, no you are not sure because plenty of workers did and do still want it.
Even some very young workers in my place voted to leave.
https://yougov.co.uk/topics/politics/articles-reports/2016/06/27/how-britain-voted
Of course there were plenty of workers and young people who supported Brexit and senior citizens who did not; but they were not in the majority.
I'm really just trolling the 'Will of the People' phrase - clearly hit a nerve!0 -
I doubt it, but that isn't the point. Corbyn (or, to be more precise, Seumas Milne) actively sabotaged the Labour side of the Remain campaign. It's documented in fascinating detail in Tim Shipman's book.DecrepitJohnL said:
Has anyone compared how much Corbyn and May each campaigned during the referendum?Richard_Nabavi said:
She's not my mate, and she's most certainly not responsible for it. For all her many faults, it's hardly her fault that Corbyn torpedoed the Labour remain campaign, nor that the EU are intransigent, nor that Corbyn is playing cynical party-political games, and especially not that the ERG have decided they don't want the Brexit they campaigned for after all. And it's only partly her fault that the voters didn't give her the mandate she needed to get through all this.bigjohnowls said:
Your mate MAY is 100% responsible for this, even you know it.Richard_Nabavi said:
In the hands of your mate Corbyn. He just needs to vote for the deal and we're out.bigjohnowls said:If there turns out to be no BREXIT at all.
All that is left is to get our yellow jackets out.
ALL POLITICIANS have failed us and it is not acceptable
History will not be kind to her or her arse crawlers0 -
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"us"? Royalty are we?Nigel_Foremain said:
Explain please? your witty repartee is confounding usReggieCide said:
Who's your chum?grabcocque said:ReggieCide said:
prickNigel_Foremain said:Surely the best compromise is to let all the old folk who voted for Brexit to pay a little extra for their passports so they can have a black one if they want it, and move as many of them as possible to the Falkland Islands, or New Zealand where they won't see many people with different skin colour/or speaking with funny accents.
When they are there we can simulate cliff edge Brexit specifically for them so they can see the effects on their cost of living, and allow them to pay for healthcare to simulate the NHS buckling through staff shortages . It will make great reality TV. It could be called, "I'm a Brexiteer get me out of here"0 -
Link please.Philip_Thompson said:
He was very vocally in favour of Scottish Independence so maybe the latter.Xenon said:
Bullied into it by the EU or just hates us?Philip_Thompson said:
Indeed. He is public enemy number 1 as to why this is such a nightmare. Prior to that twerp taking office there was a mutually respectful alternative plan being created by both nations - after him its been like Brexit has been ran by Sinn Fein.Xenon said:
If we do end up with no deal then it will give some satisfaction to see the smug expression wiped off that twerp's face.grabcocque said:Leo Varadkar pissing on May's chips on the BBC
https://twitter.com/BBCNews/status/10721347906340741120 -
Good. That would give us almost the entire benefit of the Single Market and Customs Union without the CAP, CFP, Freedom of Movement, or having to pay a single penny to the EU budget. It's a brilliant deal to get stuck in (which is why we won't be stuck in it).Wulfrun_Phil said:
She has negotiated an agreement that will lead to an indefinite delay trapped in the backstopgrabcocque said:Apparently May is seeking a "legally-binding assurance" that we won't be trapped in the backstop indefinitely.
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Is it a threat to say that the sun will rise tomorrow?grabcocque said:
If I had a pound every time a leaver made unspecific but ominous threats of violence I could buy a fetching new hat.bigjohnowls said:
This is just the start
Riots are inevitable if we do not Leave IMO
WE ARE NOT AFRAID OF YOU, YOU DIMWITS.0 -
You just know Nigel Foremain is some bitter old man who lives with his mother and lashes out as those more successful than him. Thankfully we have moved on from his prejudiced worldview.
It's an interesting take from Mr Smithson that today's ruling will help May. I would certainly think it appeals to both People's Vote and ERG as it suggests May's deal can be torn up.0 -
I concur. We will see violence.SeanT said:
It's not a threat, it's a statement of fact. Britain is not magically immune to political violence (though we are more stable than most). We have had riots aplenty, MPs have been assassinated.grabcocque said:
If I had a pound every time a leaver made unspecific but ominous threats of violence I could buy a fetching new hat.bigjohnowls said:
This is just the start
Riots are inevitable if we do not Leave IMO
WE ARE NOT AFRAID OF YOU, YOU DIMWITS.
IF Brexit was simply cancelled - A50 revoked - then there would be almost certainly be a violent response from the hard right (and maybe hard left). Tommy Robinson has a lot of supporters.
A 2nd referendum, however, would be a sad day for our democracy, but maybe not so inflammatory.
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I remember reading it from Tom Harris who is normally very reliable but his article is behind a paywall now.TheScreamingEagles said:
Link please.Philip_Thompson said:
He was very vocally in favour of Scottish Independence so maybe the latter.Xenon said:
Bullied into it by the EU or just hates us?Philip_Thompson said:
Indeed. He is public enemy number 1 as to why this is such a nightmare. Prior to that twerp taking office there was a mutually respectful alternative plan being created by both nations - after him its been like Brexit has been ran by Sinn Fein.Xenon said:
If we do end up with no deal then it will give some satisfaction to see the smug expression wiped off that twerp's face.grabcocque said:Leo Varadkar pissing on May's chips on the BBC
https://twitter.com/BBCNews/status/1072134790634074112
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2018/07/20/leo-varadkar-arrogant-childish-not-task-negotiating-brexit/0 -
Utopia? No.Nigel_Foremain said:
Fair point, but many Brexiteers see it as 1950s utopia and dream that we should be the sameBig_G_NorthWales said:
That is a nasty post.Nigel_Foremain said:Surely the best compromise is to let all the old folk who voted for Brexit to pay a little extra for their passports so they can have a black one if they want it, and move as many of them as possible to the Falkland Islands, or New Zealand where they won't see many people with different skin colour/or speaking with funny accents.
When they are there we can simulate cliff edge Brexit specifically for them so they can see the effects on their cost of living, and allow them to pay for healthcare to simulate the NHS buckling through staff shortages . It will make great reality TV. It could be called, "I'm a Brexiteer get me out of here"
I have been to New Zealand several times and it has an excellent racial mix, especially from Asia
Less foreign than Romania or Bulgaria? Yes.0 -
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Does he really though?SeanT said:IF Brexit was simply cancelled - A50 revoked - then there would be almost certainly be a violent response from the hard right (and maybe hard left). Tommy Robinson has a lot of supporters.
The recent marches did not seem particularly well attended.
UKIP held a rally outside Downing Street. 4 people turned up and 3 of them have now quit the party.0 -
This sounds remarkably positive compared with what the DUP have been saying. I wonder if there is some real movement?
https://twitter.com/DUPleader/status/1072142368973963264
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Hope so. Not from the DUP who have called this right all along (never thought I'd utter those words a decade ago).Richard_Nabavi said:This sounds remarkably positive compared with what the DUP have been saying. I wonder if there is some real movement?
https://twitter.com/DUPleader/status/10721423689739632640 -
It's hard to say. As things stand the vast majority expect Brexit to go ahead. If that changed then I suspect many of his supporters would take to the streets. The biggest problem would either be a huge backlash at the ballots or low turnout and disengagement at the ballot boxes. Hard to know which way it would go.Scott_P said:
Does he really though?SeanT said:IF Brexit was simply cancelled - A50 revoked - then there would be almost certainly be a violent response from the hard right (and maybe hard left). Tommy Robinson has a lot of supporters.
The recent marches did not seem particularly well attended.
UKIP held a rally outside Downing Street. 4 people turned up and 3 of them have now quit the party.0 -
"Six pints of bitter and quickly please. The world’s about to end."Scott_P said:
"Oh yes sir nice weather for it. Going to watch the meaningful vote this afternoon?"
"No, no point."
"Foregone conclusion you reckon sir. Mrs May without a chance?
"No it’s just that the world’s going to end."
"Ah yes you said. Lucky escape for Mrs May if it did."0 -
It's an opinion or a prediction.SeanT said:
It's not a threat, it's a statement of fact. Britain is not magically immune to political violence (though we are more stable than most). We have had riots aplenty, MPs have been assassinated.grabcocque said:
If I had a pound every time a leaver made unspecific but ominous threats of violence I could buy a fetching new hat.bigjohnowls said:
This is just the start
Riots are inevitable if we do not Leave IMO
WE ARE NOT AFRAID OF YOU, YOU DIMWITS.
IF Brexit was simply cancelled - A50 revoked - then there would be almost certainly be a violent response from the hard right (and maybe hard left). Tommy Robinson has a lot of supporters.
A 2nd referendum, however, would be a sad day for our democracy, but maybe not so inflammatory.
Statement of fact it is not - unless he has some special knowledge, of course. Which would make it a threat.0 -
It's a very incoherent article. He seems to be complaining simultaneously that we'd be cooperating too much and not cooperating enough, and most of his arguments apply (if they apply at all) even more strongly to remaining in the EU.SeanT said:
Read the article by the ex head of MI6 which I linked below, describing how disastrous it is for our military, security and intelligence independence, and capabilities, then tell me you are happy with the deal.Big_G_NorthWales said:
I have no problem with itPhilip_Thompson said:
You still think its TM's deal including backstop that's the best option?Big_G_NorthWales said:Graham Brady saying no one wants the back stop and it is illegal and is pleased TM has paused the vote
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I don't see the violence thing. After the moment of national humiliation I think much more likely we all decide to basically not discuss it in polite society- like your Granny farting at Christmas dinner. There will be a few rabble rousers but UKIP have made that unpalatable by heading to the far right. If Trump goes down under the Russian connection thing we will all be able to say the pesky Ruskies made us do it anyway.SeanT said:
It's not a threat, it's a statement of fact. Britain is not magically immune to political violence (though we are more stable than most). We have had riots aplenty, MPs have been assassinated.grabcocque said:
If I had a pound every time a leaver made unspecific but ominous threats of violence I could buy a fetching new hat.bigjohnowls said:
This is just the start
Riots are inevitable if we do not Leave IMO
WE ARE NOT AFRAID OF YOU, YOU DIMWITS.
IF Brexit was simply cancelled - A50 revoked - then there would be almost certainly be a violent response from the hard right (and maybe hard left). Tommy Robinson has a lot of supporters.
A 2nd referendum, however, would be a sad day for our democracy, but maybe not so inflammatory.0 -
Britain, where once standing up to Nazis was once considered a matter of national pride, now reduced to cowering in fear of the gammon under the bed.SeanT said:
IF Brexit was simply cancelled - A50 revoked - then there would be almost certainly be a violent response from the hard right (and maybe hard left). Tommy Robinson has a lot of supporters.0 -
"Everything before the But..."Nigel_Foremain said:
No, not all Leave voters are racist, but a lot certainly are, and having spoken to quite a few I doubt they would come through a polygraph test on racism very easily. Not all are completely stupid, but not many I have met will be qualifying for MENSA.KentRising said:
One in three BAME voters who voted voted for Leave. Leave wouldn't have won without their votes. My Cambodian-Canadian girlfriend voted to Leave. Your smearing of Leave voters as racist is unpleasant and you need to grow up.tpfkar said:
Yes quite sure - the polling was overwhelmingly clear and the age divide remains. For example YouGov the week after the referendumFloater said:
Really - are you so very sure of that?tpfkar said:
Possibly an age thing? The Will of the Pensioners is a more accurate description of those who voted for Brexit - the workers never wanted it.MarqueeMark said:
Remainer maths: 52% = "no-one".kle4 said:Anecdote alert - acquaintance of mine opines that brexit is a terrible idea which no one even wanted in the first place so it should be cancelled tomorrow. Good to see the debate is not still boiled down to simple answers.
Now, if he meant "no-one in my immediate circle of Facebook friends. All five of them." he might not have appeared such a pillock.
Let me save you time, no you are not sure because plenty of workers did and do still want it.
Even some very young workers in my place voted to leave.
https://yougov.co.uk/topics/politics/articles-reports/2016/06/27/how-britain-voted
Of course there were plenty of workers and young people who supported Brexit and senior citizens who did not; but they were not in the majority.
I'm really just trolling the 'Will of the People' phrase - clearly hit a nerve!0 -
The backstop must "go". Sounds to me like DUP are drawing an impossible red line.Richard_Nabavi said:This sounds remarkably positive compared with what the DUP have been saying. I wonder if there is some real movement?
https://twitter.com/DUPleader/status/10721423689739632640 -
My sense is that outside of the diehards, most leavers just want to leave. They’re not engaged enough to really care about he form that takes. The protests are about a type of Brexit.Scott_P said:
Does he really though?SeanT said:IF Brexit was simply cancelled - A50 revoked - then there would be almost certainly be a violent response from the hard right (and maybe hard left). Tommy Robinson has a lot of supporters.
The recent marches did not seem particularly well attended.
UKIP held a rally outside Downing Street. 4 people turned up and 3 of them have now quit the party.
The people who,voted leave generally aren’t the direct protesting type. They don’t go on marches, picket strikes or loudly tell everyone their views. But they do expect the referendum to be honoured.
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It says an ovation was given by the Dail to a speech by Nicola Sturgeon.Philip_Thompson said:
I remember reading it from Tom Harris who is normally very reliable but his article is behind a paywall now.TheScreamingEagles said:
Link please.Philip_Thompson said:
He was very vocally in favour of Scottish Independence so maybe the latter.Xenon said:
Bullied into it by the EU or just hates us?Philip_Thompson said:
Indeed. He is public enemy number 1 as to why this is such a nightmare. Prior to that twerp taking office there was a mutually respectful alternative plan being created by both nations - after him its been like Brexit has been ran by Sinn Fein.Xenon said:
If we do end up with no deal then it will give some satisfaction to see the smug expression wiped off that twerp's face.grabcocque said:Leo Varadkar pissing on May's chips on the BBC
https://twitter.com/BBCNews/status/1072134790634074112
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2018/07/20/leo-varadkar-arrogant-childish-not-task-negotiating-brexit/
That’s very different from your fake news allegations that he was vocally in favour of it.
If it was so vocal the likes of the Express and Mail would have picked up on it instead of the perception in your head.0 -
If that's positive I'd hate to see what negative looks like. Theresa's Brexit policy is in tatters; the EU don't look like budging and a calamitous No Deal crash-out is looming before our eyes. And, of course, even if Theresa does scrape together some alternative, it won't satisfy Corbyn or the ERG. We're sunk.Richard_Nabavi said:This sounds remarkably positive compared with what the DUP have been saying. I wonder if there is some real movement?
https://twitter.com/DUPleader/status/10721423689739632640 -
If we don't leave, then essentially you'll have a massive section feeling disenfranchised. I think it's unlikely there'll be short term effects (Well there may be a bit).
The long term corrosive effect will be greater than people think, it could mean the Tories being electorally finished or else radically moved to the right.
It probably means at least a decade of Corbynism...
The Tory GOTV could become more challenging than 1997.0 -
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Haha that is really funny. I've really wound up the gammons on here today. They seem very techy for some reason. Could it be that reality is dawning on these poor gullible souls that their pathetic obsession is just a pile of nonsense, and they have been conned by the likes of Boris and Gove into following a vacuous philosophy that is supported by Donald Trump and bankrolled by Vladimir Putin? As the Donald would say: Sad.Brom said:You just know Nigel Foremain is some bitter old man who lives with his mother and lashes out as those more successful than him. Thankfully we have moved on from his prejudiced worldview.
It's an interesting take from Mr Smithson that today's ruling will help May. I would certainly think it appeals to both People's Vote and ERG as it suggests May's deal can be torn up.0 -
Is it likely that quite a few MPs will be away from Westminster today; expecting an uneventful day?0
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It is far better not to have the Nazis there in the first place. But clearly you are too dumb to understand that.grabcocque said:
Britain, where once standing up to Nazis was once considered a matter of national pride, now reduced to cowering in fear of the gammon under the bed.SeanT said:
IF Brexit was simply cancelled - A50 revoked - then there would be almost certainly be a violent response from the hard right (and maybe hard left). Tommy Robinson has a lot of supporters.
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Everything you say in the first paragraph is true (apart from the 'ludicrous statement' bit!) That doesn't alter the fact that what I said is also true. The backstop completely trashes the EU's red line on the indivisibility of the 'four freedoms', and most spectacularly it trashes the principle that we'd have to pay into the budget for full access to the Single Market. So anyone with half a brain cell can see that the probability that the EU will want us to be trapped in the backstop indefinitely is zero. It's worse for them than it is for us, even though we'd have to accept rules over which we have no say. Anyway, the Brexiteers claim that as members we have no say in the rules, so that's hardly an issue by their reasoning.SeanT said:
For a smart guy that is a ludicrous statement. Trapped in the backstop, we will be a perpetual ruletaker (but with no rights), we will be unable to make new trade deals for ourselves, and we will have no say in trade deals made by the EU which will nonetheless apply to us. We will endure all the rigidities of EU law, with no say in making them. This will be insufferable for a country like Britain so we will be desperate to get out.Richard_Nabavi said:
Good. That would give us almost the entire benefit of the Single Market and Customs Union without the CAP, CFP, Freedom of Movement, or having to pay a single penny to the EU budget. It's a brilliant deal to get stuck in (which is why we won't be stuck in it).Wulfrun_Phil said:
She has negotiated an agreement that will lead to an indefinite delay trapped in the backstopgrabcocque said:Apparently May is seeking a "legally-binding assurance" that we won't be trapped in the backstop indefinitely.
What will be the price of getting out? Access to fisheries, co-sovereignty of Gibraltar, extra contributions, plus military and defence subjugation already agreed (see below). On and on and on.0 -
This I see as 100% right.notme said:
My sense is that outside of the diehards, most leavers just want to leave. They’re not engaged enough to really care about he form that takes. The protests are about a type of Brexit.Scott_P said:
Does he really though?SeanT said:IF Brexit was simply cancelled - A50 revoked - then there would be almost certainly be a violent response from the hard right (and maybe hard left). Tommy Robinson has a lot of supporters.
The recent marches did not seem particularly well attended.
UKIP held a rally outside Downing Street. 4 people turned up and 3 of them have now quit the party.
The people who,voted leave generally aren’t the direct protesting type. They don’t go on marches, picket strikes or loudly tell everyone their views. But they do expect the referendum to be honoured.
You'll find that a lot of people who voted Leave were and are massively jaded regarding politicians. After the referendum, they said to themselves or others "Brexit will never happen, the politicians will ensure it doesn't".
And sure enough....
So rather than anger and surprise, it'll be a weary acceptance of the truth they already knew: that they do not have a voice. No Paris-style demonstations except by a few extemists.0 -
It's your own fault that you're lashing out and embarrassing yourself, don't try and blame other posters. For a middle aged bloke it's pretty tragic in fairness.Nigel_Foremain said:
Haha that is really funny. I've really wound up the gammons on here today. They seem very techy for some reason. Could it be that reality is dawning on these poor gullible souls that their pathetic obsession is just a pile of nonsense, and they have been conned by the likes of Boris and Gove into following a vacuous philosophy that is supported by Donald Trump and bankrolled by Vladimir Putin? As the Donald would say: Sad.Brom said:You just know Nigel Foremain is some bitter old man who lives with his mother and lashes out as those more successful than him. Thankfully we have moved on from his prejudiced worldview.
It's an interesting take from Mr Smithson that today's ruling will help May. I would certainly think it appeals to both People's Vote and ERG as it suggests May's deal can be torn up.0 -
I imagine that few people would qualify for MENSA, and don't think it signifies anything.Nigel_Foremain said:
No, not all Leave voters are racist, but a lot certainly are, and having spoken to quite a few I doubt they would come through a polygraph test on racism very easily. Not all are completely stupid, but not many I have met will be qualifying for MENSA.KentRising said:
One in three BAME voters who voted voted for Leave. Leave wouldn't have won without their votes. My Cambodian-Canadian girlfriend voted to Leave. Your smearing of Leave voters as racist is unpleasant and you need to grow up.tpfkar said:
Yes quite sure - the polling was overwhelmingly clear and the age divide remains. For example YouGov the week after the referendumFloater said:
Really - are you so very sure of that?tpfkar said:
Possibly an age thing? The Will of the Pensioners is a more accurate description of those who voted for Brexit - the workers never wanted it.MarqueeMark said:
Remainer maths: 52% = "no-one".kle4 said:Anecdote alert - acquaintance of mine opines that brexit is a terrible idea which no one even wanted in the first place so it should be cancelled tomorrow. Good to see the debate is not still boiled down to simple answers.
Now, if he meant "no-one in my immediate circle of Facebook friends. All five of them." he might not have appeared such a pillock.
Let me save you time, no you are not sure because plenty of workers did and do still want it.
Even some very young workers in my place voted to leave.
https://yougov.co.uk/topics/politics/articles-reports/2016/06/27/how-britain-voted
Of course there were plenty of workers and young people who supported Brexit and senior citizens who did not; but they were not in the majority.
I'm really just trolling the 'Will of the People' phrase - clearly hit a nerve!
Some Leave voters are indeed racist, but so are some Remain voters. There has always been a strand of fascism that is strongly pro a United Europe (eg Sir Oswald Mosley).0 -
It's the face saving that would be difficultRichard_Nabavi said:This sounds remarkably positive compared with what the DUP have been saying. I wonder if there is some real movement?
https://twitter.com/DUPleader/status/10721423689739632640 -
Interesting news on the extent of the deep subsurface biosphere:
https://www.theguardian.com/science/2018/dec/10/tread-softly-because-you-tread-on-23bn-tonnes-of-micro-organisms0 -
Just spotted this YouGov questions and answer in the results page. Exercise for the reader to add the categories up as they see fit
1. The European Court of Justice has ruled the UK can cancel Brexit without the permission of the other member states. Imagine that the government did cancel Brexit, and Britain remained a member of the EU. How would you mostly feel?
Delighted 23%
Pleased 7%
Relieved 13%
Wouldn't mind either way 8%
Disappointed 8%
Angry 6%
Betrayed 24%
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No, but the tone of that is markedly more positive than the DUP's other recent tweets and statements.SeanT said:
No. There isn't.Richard_Nabavi said:This sounds remarkably positive compared with what the DUP have been saying. I wonder if there is some real movement?
https://twitter.com/DUPleader/status/1072142368973963264
Want a small wager?0 -
Well there is roughly 10% missing who presumably don't know how they would feel. Of the remainder, the positive emotions of pleasure and relief account for almost half. Add in some of those who don't care and you have a majority.Alistair said:Just spotted this YouGov questions and answer in the results page. Exercise for the reader to add the categories up as they see fit
1. The European Court of Justice has ruled the UK can cancel Brexit without the permission of the other member states. Imagine that the government did cancel Brexit, and Britain remained a member of the EU. How would you mostly feel?
Delighted 23%
Pleased 7%
Relieved 13%
Wouldn't mind either way 8%
Disappointed 8%
Angry 6%
Betrayed 24%0 -
Very true, after all - if voting changed anything, they'd abolish it.KentRising said:
This I see as 100% right.notme said:
My sense is that outside of the diehards, most leavers just want to leave. They’re not engaged enough to really care about he form that takes. The protests are about a type of Brexit.Scott_P said:
Does he really though?SeanT said:IF Brexit was simply cancelled - A50 revoked - then there would be almost certainly be a violent response from the hard right (and maybe hard left). Tommy Robinson has a lot of supporters.
The recent marches did not seem particularly well attended.
UKIP held a rally outside Downing Street. 4 people turned up and 3 of them have now quit the party.
The people who,voted leave generally aren’t the direct protesting type. They don’t go on marches, picket strikes or loudly tell everyone their views. But they do expect the referendum to be honoured.
You'll find that a lot of people who voted Leave were and are massively jaded regarding politicians. After the referendum, they said to themselves or others "Brexit will never happen, the politicians will ensure it doesn't".
And sure enough....
So rather than anger and surprise, it'll be a weary acceptance of the truth they already knew: that they do not have a voice. No Paris-style demonstations except by a few extemists.0 -
In fact Richard it's a hardening of their attitude. " The Backstop must go " is an impossible Red Line as she knows.Richard_Nabavi said:This sounds remarkably positive compared with what the DUP have been saying. I wonder if there is some real movement?
https://twitter.com/DUPleader/status/10721423689739632640 -
The 'movement' is that No 10 have binned their own deal and have explicitly linked a new deal to the backstop. I'm not surprised that the DUP are markedly more positive.Richard_Nabavi said:
No, but the tone of that is markedly more positive than the DUP's other recent tweets and statements.SeanT said:
No. There isn't.Richard_Nabavi said:This sounds remarkably positive compared with what the DUP have been saying. I wonder if there is some real movement?
https://twitter.com/DUPleader/status/1072142368973963264
Want a small wager?0 -
Cancelling a vote because you're going to lose it is a shade King Charles.0
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Yeah sorry missed those outIanB2 said:
Well there is roughly 10% missing who presumably don't know how they would feel. Of the remainder, the positive emotions of pleasure and relief account for almost half. Add in some of those who don't care and you have a majority.Alistair said:Just spotted this YouGov questions and answer in the results page. Exercise for the reader to add the categories up as they see fit
1. The European Court of Justice has ruled the UK can cancel Brexit without the permission of the other member states. Imagine that the government did cancel Brexit, and Britain remained a member of the EU. How would you mostly feel?
Delighted 23%
Pleased 7%
Relieved 13%
Wouldn't mind either way 8%
Disappointed 8%
Angry 6%
Betrayed 24%
2% None of these
9% Don't know0 -
Don't feed....Brom said:
It's your own fault that you're lashing out and embarrassing yourself, don't try and blame other posters. For a middle aged bloke it's pretty tragic in fairness.Nigel_Foremain said:
Haha that is really funny. I've really wound up the gammons on here today. They seem very techy for some reason. Could it be that reality is dawning on these poor gullible souls that their pathetic obsession is just a pile of nonsense, and they have been conned by the likes of Boris and Gove into following a vacuous philosophy that is supported by Donald Trump and bankrolled by Vladimir Putin? As the Donald would say: Sad.Brom said:You just know Nigel Foremain is some bitter old man who lives with his mother and lashes out as those more successful than him. Thankfully we have moved on from his prejudiced worldview.
It's an interesting take from Mr Smithson that today's ruling will help May. I would certainly think it appeals to both People's Vote and ERG as it suggests May's deal can be torn up.0 -
30% being betrayed or angry doesn't make for a stable society.IanB2 said:
Well there is roughly 10% missing who presumably don't know how they would feel. Of the remainder, the positive emotions of pleasure and relief account for almost half. Add in some of those who don't care and you have a majority.Alistair said:Just spotted this YouGov questions and answer in the results page. Exercise for the reader to add the categories up as they see fit
1. The European Court of Justice has ruled the UK can cancel Brexit without the permission of the other member states. Imagine that the government did cancel Brexit, and Britain remained a member of the EU. How would you mostly feel?
Delighted 23%
Pleased 7%
Relieved 13%
Wouldn't mind either way 8%
Disappointed 8%
Angry 6%
Betrayed 24%0 -
So you think it would be a good thing if a quarter of the population felt betrayed?IanB2 said:
Well there is roughly 10% missing who presumably don't know how they would feel. Of the remainder, the positive emotions of pleasure and relief account for almost half. Add in some of those who don't care and you have a majority.Alistair said:Just spotted this YouGov questions and answer in the results page. Exercise for the reader to add the categories up as they see fit
1. The European Court of Justice has ruled the UK can cancel Brexit without the permission of the other member states. Imagine that the government did cancel Brexit, and Britain remained a member of the EU. How would you mostly feel?
Delighted 23%
Pleased 7%
Relieved 13%
Wouldn't mind either way 8%
Disappointed 8%
Angry 6%
Betrayed 24%0 -
I would love for the Queen to enter the House right now and step in. But in which direction?!Morris_Dancer said:Cancelling a vote because you're going to lose it is a shade King Charles.
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3:30.... who is low on popcorn?0
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The Sword of Arlene is now laying down an *impossible* red line:
The backstop must go.0 -
The twats are interrupting the outside broadcasts again. Haven't they got jobs to go to, kids to pick up from school etc etc etc?0
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If a second referendum shows that a majority of people want a no deal Brexit then so be it. At least we would know. As it is, if that is where we end up and it's a disaster half of you will turn round and say that's not we voted for.bigjohnowls said:
GE2017Richard_Nabavi said:
She's not my mate, and she's most certainly not responsible for it. For all her many faults, it's hardly her fault that Corbyn torpedoed the Labour remain campaign, nor that the EU are intransigent, nor that Corbyn is playing cynical party-political games, and especially not that the ERG have decided they don't want the Brexit they campaigned for after all. And it's only partly her fault that the voters didn't give her the mandate she needed to get through all this.bigjohnowls said:
Your mate MAY is 100% responsible for this, even you know it.Richard_Nabavi said:
In the hands of your mate Corbyn. He just needs to vote for the deal and we're out.bigjohnowls said:If there turns out to be no BREXIT at all.
All that is left is to get our yellow jackets out.
ALL POLITICIANS have failed us and it is not acceptable
History will not be kind to her or her arse crawlers
It seems increasingly likely to me that whichever option we now take it will have to be ratified by a second vote to have any real credibility.0 -
I live in deepest Leaverstan. I'm sure the Deep State that saw off the Soviets and IRA will cope with some angry pensioners on mobility scooters.Pulpstar said:If we don't leave, then essentially you'll have a massive section feeling disenfranchised. I think it's unlikely there'll be short term effects (Well there may be a bit).
The long term corrosive effect will be greater than people think, it could mean the Tories being electorally finished or else radically moved to the right.
It probably means at least a decade of Corbynism...
The Tory GOTV could become more challenging than 1997.0 -
The government is being generally useless and weak. But that’s what minority governments are for the most part. That they are both a minority government and hopelessly divided on Brexit means even more nuttiness.0
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It has not aged well.SeanT said:
Yes, it makes no mention of Varadkar supporting Sindy. It also hasn't aged well for Tom Harris, in its claim that the Irish problem is a mirage which the EU will ignore. That didn't quite happen, did it?TheScreamingEagles said:
It says an ovation was given by the Dail to a speech by Nicola Sturgeon.Philip_Thompson said:
I remember reading it from Tom Harris who is normally very reliable but his article is behind a paywall now.TheScreamingEagles said:
Link please.Philip_Thompson said:
He was very vocally in favour of Scottish Independence so maybe the latter.Xenon said:
Bullied into it by the EU or just hates us?Philip_Thompson said:
Indeed. He is public enemy number 1 as to why this is such a nightmare. Prior to that twerp taking office there was a mutually respectful alternative plan being created by both nations - after him its been like Brexit has been ran by Sinn Fein.Xenon said:
If we do end up with no deal then it will give some satisfaction to see the smug expression wiped off that twerp's face.grabcocque said:Leo Varadkar pissing on May's chips on the BBC
https://twitter.com/BBCNews/status/1072134790634074112
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2018/07/20/leo-varadkar-arrogant-childish-not-task-negotiating-brexit/
That’s very different from your fake news allegations that he was vocally in favour of it.
If it was so vocal the likes of the Express and Mail would have picked up on it instead of the perception in your head.
Is one thing that has surprised me the most, the EU being so united, I’d have thought Hungary or Italy may have played silly buggers.
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They've been saying that for some time. What's new is the bit about the PM listening. Maybe it doesn't mean much, but we shall see.YellowSubmarine said:
In fact Richard it's a hardening of their attitude. " The Backstop must go " is an impossible Red Line as she knows.Richard_Nabavi said:This sounds remarkably positive compared with what the DUP have been saying. I wonder if there is some real movement?
https://twitter.com/DUPleader/status/1072142368973963264
What I would say is that if I were Mrs May I'd be putting all of my effort into getting the DUP back on board. Not only would that give her a useful chunk of votes in a single block, it would also bring with it some Tory votes. Hard to see the EU playing ball, of course, but who knows?0 -
Spain tried, but got slapped down. Hopefully they now know who is in charge.TheScreamingEagles said:
It has not aged well.SeanT said:
Yes, it makes no mention of Varadkar supporting Sindy. It also hasn't aged well for Tom Harris, in its claim that the Irish problem is a mirage which the EU will ignore. That didn't quite happen, did it?TheScreamingEagles said:
It says an ovation was given by the Dail to a speech by Nicola Sturgeon.Philip_Thompson said:
I remember reading it from Tom Harris who is normally very reliable but his article is behind a paywall now.TheScreamingEagles said:
Link please.Philip_Thompson said:
He was very vocally in favour of Scottish Independence so maybe the latter.Xenon said:
Bullied into it by the EU or just hates us?Philip_Thompson said:
Indeed. He is public enemy number 1 as to why this is such a nightmare. Prior to that twerp taking office there was a mutually respectful alternative plan being created by both nations - after him its been like Brexit has been ran by Sinn Fein.Xenon said:
If we do end up with no deal then it will give some satisfaction to see the smug expression wiped off that twerp's face.grabcocque said:Leo Varadkar pissing on May's chips on the BBC
https://twitter.com/BBCNews/status/1072134790634074112
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2018/07/20/leo-varadkar-arrogant-childish-not-task-negotiating-brexit/
That’s very different from your fake news allegations that he was vocally in favour of it.
If it was so vocal the likes of the Express and Mail would have picked up on it instead of the perception in your head.
Is one thing that has surprised me the most, the EU being so united, I’d have thought Hungary or Italy may have played silly buggers.0 -
Disappointed, not very surprised, willing to vote for the looniest of the loons in the next Euro election would be my response.Alistair said:Just spotted this YouGov questions and answer in the results page. Exercise for the reader to add the categories up as they see fit
1. The European Court of Justice has ruled the UK can cancel Brexit without the permission of the other member states. Imagine that the government did cancel Brexit, and Britain remained a member of the EU. How would you mostly feel?
Delighted 23%
Pleased 7%
Relieved 13%
Wouldn't mind either way 8%
Disappointed 8%
Angry 6%
Betrayed 24%
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It can only be a Revoke / Some Deal option if there is a deal on the table. As of now, there isn't. The government's just binned the one there was and is now apparently off on a unicorn hunt of its own in Brussels, having promised to deliver one back.Richard_Nabavi said:
If they did that, it would get amended to a Revoke/Some Deal referendum, surely.david_herdson said:What I do concede is just about possible is for the government to switch to accepting a referendum on a No Deal / Remain choice, given that the government has just trashed its own deal and there's no other one available.
I don't see how the govt can succeed in getting the backstop amended and I do see how they can now sign (or resubmit) something with the backstop in it.
In theory, the Commons could reinsert the government's deal but it'd be a bit of an odd thing to do given that the whole reason we're here is that there's no majority for it in the House. As for Norway Plus, Canada Plus, or any other Plus, they're just concepts and not deals (and even as such, are unlikely to gain majority support in the Commons as a sole alternative to Remain).0 -
Where we were heading and what we are risking became obvious to them a lot quicker than it did to us.TheScreamingEagles said:
It has not aged well.SeanT said:
Yes, it makes no mention of Varadkar supporting Sindy. It also hasn't aged well for Tom Harris, in its claim that the Irish problem is a mirage which the EU will ignore. That didn't quite happen, did it?TheScreamingEagles said:
It says an ovation was given by the Dail to a speech by Nicola Sturgeon.Philip_Thompson said:
I remember reading it from Tom Harris who is normally very reliable but his article is behind a paywall now.TheScreamingEagles said:
Link please.Philip_Thompson said:
He was very vocally in favour of Scottish Independence so maybe the latter.Xenon said:
Bullied into it by the EU or just hates us?Philip_Thompson said:
Indeed. He is public enemy number 1 as to why this is such a nightmare. Prior to that twerp taking office there was a mutually respectful alternative plan being created by both nations - after him its been like Brexit has been ran by Sinn Fein.Xenon said:
If we do end up with no deal then it will give some satisfaction to see the smug expression wiped off that twerp's face.grabcocque said:Leo Varadkar pissing on May's chips on the BBC
https://twitter.com/BBCNews/status/1072134790634074112
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2018/07/20/leo-varadkar-arrogant-childish-not-task-negotiating-brexit/
That’s very different from your fake news allegations that he was vocally in favour of it.
If it was so vocal the likes of the Express and Mail would have picked up on it instead of the perception in your head.
Is one thing that has surprised me the most, the EU being so united, I’d have thought Hungary or Italy may have played silly buggers.0 -
"Nothing has changed"0
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Maybot up...backstop ain't going anywhere.0
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Oh dear, oh dear, oh dear
I am delaying the vote because I would have lost
Yada Yada Yada0 -
A list of inane statements of the obvious.0
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God May is having to spell out to the morons exactly why the backstop is necessary.
How very depressing that she should have to do this.0 -
Intellectually, Enoch Powell was probably the most brilliant mind to sit in the Commons in the 20th century. Didn't stop him being a racist.Sean_F said:
I imagine that few people would qualify for MENSA, and don't think it signifies anything.Nigel_Foremain said:
No, not all Leave voters are racist, but a lot certainly are, and having spoken to quite a few I doubt they would come through a polygraph test on racism very easily. Not all are completely stupid, but not many I have met will be qualifying for MENSA.KentRising said:
One in three BAME voters who voted voted for Leave. Leave wouldn't have won without their votes. My Cambodian-Canadian girlfriend voted to Leave. Your smearing of Leave voters as racist is unpleasant and you need to grow up.tpfkar said:
Yes quite sure - the polling was overwhelmingly clear and the age divide remains. For example YouGov the week after the referendumFloater said:
Really - are you so very sure of that?tpfkar said:
Possibly an age thing? The Will of the Pensioners is a more accurate description of those who voted for Brexit - the workers never wanted it.MarqueeMark said:
Remainer maths: 52% = "no-one".kle4 said:Anecdote alert - acquaintance of mine opines that brexit is a terrible idea which no one even wanted in the first place so it should be cancelled tomorrow. Good to see the debate is not still boiled down to simple answers.
Now, if he meant "no-one in my immediate circle of Facebook friends. All five of them." he might not have appeared such a pillock.
Let me save you time, no you are not sure because plenty of workers did and do still want it.
Even some very young workers in my place voted to leave.
https://yougov.co.uk/topics/politics/articles-reports/2016/06/27/how-britain-voted
Of course there were plenty of workers and young people who supported Brexit and senior citizens who did not; but they were not in the majority.
I'm really just trolling the 'Will of the People' phrase - clearly hit a nerve!
Some Leave voters are indeed racist, but so are some Remain voters. There has always been a strand of fascism that is strongly pro a United Europe (eg Sir Oswald Mosley).0 -
SHE'S ACTUALLY DOING A NOTHING HAS CHANGED
OH MY SWEET LORD0 -
Anybody with any political nous would have known they would be right here, right now if they presented May's deal to the House. Why she has persisted for so long will be a fascinating part of the diaries no doubt being assiduously written up nightly.0
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I hear T May has a card up her sleeve.....
It says "before serious competitions, discard jokers"0 -
There are people talking all the way through Mrs May's statement. Pipe down you toerags.0
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Poundshop John Oliver alert!grabcocque said:SHE'S ACTUALLY DOING A NOTHING HAS CHANGED
OH MY SWEET LORD0 -
Well it served her well last time to be fair. She’s still here.grabcocque said:SHE'S ACTUALLY DOING A NOTHING HAS CHANGED
OH MY SWEET LORD0 -
PM is going to be traipsing around EU capitals. She should take her I-Spy books to see how many points Big Chief I-Spy will give her for "Bugger off!" in various European languages.0
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Indeed. Everything she sets out is perfectly reasonable.TOPPING said:God May is having to spell out to the morons exactly why the backstop is necessary.
How very depressing that she should have to do this.0 -
Just because some nut jobs want something doesn’t mean we are standing up to Nazis. They probably want people to pay their taxes but disbanding the HMRC isn’t standing up to them.grabcocque said:
Britain, where once standing up to Nazis was once considered a matter of national pride, now reduced to cowering in fear of the gammon under the bed.SeanT said:
IF Brexit was simply cancelled - A50 revoked - then there would be almost certainly be a violent response from the hard right (and maybe hard left). Tommy Robinson has a lot of supporters.
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From what she's saying to the House, you'd think the Brexit negotiations are just starting.....
Theresa, what the hell have you been doing for two years???0 -
No, Richard. The listening but just means she's caved in to their impossible red line. Which makes the situation worse not better.Richard_Nabavi said:
They've been saying that for some time. What's new is the bit about the PM listening. Maybe it doesn't mean much, but we shall see.YellowSubmarine said:
In fact Richard it's a hardening of their attitude. " The Backstop must go " is an impossible Red Line as she knows.Richard_Nabavi said:This sounds remarkably positive compared with what the DUP have been saying. I wonder if there is some real movement?
https://twitter.com/DUPleader/status/1072142368973963264
What I would say is that if I were Mrs May I'd be putting all of my effort into getting the DUP back on board. Not only would that give her a useful chunk of votes in a single block, it would also bring with it some Tory votes. Hard to see the EU playing ball, of course, but who knows?0 -
Ref #2 has now progressed to "if"0
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What's the point of a delay then?grabcocque said:SHE'S ACTUALLY DOING A NOTHING HAS CHANGED
OH MY SWEET LORD0 -
Seeking further "assurances".....0
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"Nothing has changed"
(EDIT: with apologies for being late on parade after grabcoque)0 -
She's pushing on in the faith compromise will win through in the end.SeanT said:TMay is actually handling this total humiliation quite well.
She's ploughing on into 2019.0
