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  • Dura_AceDura_Ace Posts: 14,816
    Good for them. Virtue without terror is impotent as Robespierre said.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 87,534
    edited December 2018
    No idea why the church is dying in the Western world.....it seems some think that being gay is like choosing to wear a pair of Yeeyzs.

    Gay people should not join Catholic clergy, Pope Francis says...No room for ‘fashionable’ homosexuality and gay priests should be ‘impeccably responsible’ or leave

    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2018/dec/02/gay-people-should-not-join-catholic-clergy-pope-francis-says
  • JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 47,043

    Labour has sparked a fresh anti-Semitism furore as a chilling move to silence victims from speaking out is exposed by The Mail on Sunday.

    Party bosses have warned any activist who publicly accuses another member of anti-Jewish prejudice risks being disciplined and any formal complaints they have made could be dropped.

    Anyone complaining is ordered by the party’s Complaints Team to ‘ensure you keep all information relating to your complaint private and do not share it with third parties or the media (including social media).’

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-6450885/Labour-spark-fresh-anti-Semitism-storm-amid-silence-victims-speaking-out.html

    Does this rule apply only to complaints of antisemitism or to all complaints, and the Mail is throwing a dead cat on the table to distract from Brexit?
    Whether it is to all complaints, or just those of anti-Semitism, is irrelevant since Labour's handling of the latter has been ludicrously poor.

    I am generally in favour of anonymity and public silence in such cases, particularly during the complaints process. However that can only be the case if the accuser can realistically have faith in the process: as we saw with the Lib Dems and Lord Rennard, if the system is stacked against the accuser, it can be right, and good, for them to speak out publicly.

    Labour's handling of anti-Semitism accusations has been appalling, and the accusers cannot have much confidence in the system. For that reason, if they feel the process is not being followed, or the process is intrinsically designed to be unfair, they should have the right to speak out about it.

    And sadly, that's where Labour find themselves today.

    (If you read the article, the reaction to John Shaw's comments on FB don't appear to have been taken seriously enough IMO.)
  • Disgraceful judging in the boxing...one judge had wilder 4 rounds ahead which is about as believable as jezza being a massive I’m a celeb fan.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 130,258
    Notch said:

    HYUFD said:

    daodao said:



    If there is a 3-way vote, Remain is likely to win whether its FPTP or AV. Remain is likely to be on 40-45%, and No Deal is likely to come second. If it's run on AV lines, redistribution of the "for the Deal" votes will push Remain over the 50% threshold.

    Any Brexit-supporting MP who doesn't back TM's Deal on 11/12/18 is in effect shooting themselves in the foot, because any 2nd referendum will abort Brexit.

    Not necessarily

    https://twitter.com/EuropeElects/status/1068203715050577921?s=20

    https://twitter.com/EuropeElects/status/1068243124076593152?s=20

    May will ensure it is a three way referendum held by AV if necessary, she could even had a No Deal v Deal first question, winner faces Remain in the second question
    I reckon any second referendum will be a win for Leave.

    @HYUFD - The second possibility you mention would be a strange choice indeed. Why ask the questions in that order, rather than ask 1) Remain or Leave? and 2), If Leave wins, do you favour Deal or No Deal? Doing it the way you describe would be even more game-showy than the whole "Deal or No Deal" frame already is.

    What kind of probability would you give to a 3-way referendum happening?

    As Leave is too generic. There is a big difference between leaving with the Deal and Leaving with no Deal and May would ensure that is clear and as long as she is PM there will not be any referendum without the Deal being a choice, either 3-way or 2-way
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