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Missed that. Of course one state is much bigger than the other.RobD said:
How's that any worse than the Democrat example in Maryland I posted earlier?logical_song said:
Republicans recently at least are the worst offenders. For example see the court case they lost here:RobD said:
Based on past experience, I think that is very unlikely. And are the Democrats the ultimate arbiter of balance these days?logical_song said:
They should redress the balance bringing the court back to where it was. They should put in high quality judges who have more integrity than, for example, Kavanaugh.RobD said:
They are going to stuff the supreme court? And they are supposed to be the good guys...SouthamObserver said:
That's precisely my point. I would expect the next Democrat controlled House and Senate to increase the number of justices on the Supreme Court for starters - and to look at what can be done about voter suppression, at least, at a federal level. Then there's impeachment ...RobD said:
As if the Democrats don’t gerrymander. Seriously.SouthamObserver said:I was in Boston earlier this week. The expectation among most of those I spoke to was that Trump would lose the popular vote once more but win the election. I imagine they are right. America does not feel like a country that is even close to healing yet. The interesting bit will be what happens in the House and Senate votes that year. For the House the Republicans still have two more years to gerrymander and suppress. What a fine bunch they are. At some point, though, they will lose the levers of power - and when they do they may find they never get them back again.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.washingtonpost.com/amphtml/news/wonk/wp/2018/03/28/how-maryland-democrats-pulled-off-their-aggressive-gerrymander/
They should un-gerrymander districts and take them out of the control of politicians (as in the UK with a boundary commission).
Whether they do that or follow Trumps lead of win at any cost is another matter.
http://www2.philly.com/philly/news/politics/state/pennsylvania-gerrymandering-case-congressional-redistricting-map-coverage-guide-20180615.html0 -
Well yes I take your point. But both sides are treating the terms of the December declaration, costs, transition period etc as though they are final and so it seems reasonable of the EU to treat the clauses on the Irish border as final as well. No cherry picking, as they say.RobD said:
You must have forgotten. Nothing is agreed until everything is agreed.anothernick said:
May has already signed up to an open-ended backstop. It is in the December declaration. And neither Foreign Secretary Johnson nor Brexit Secretary Davis demurred.RobD said:
Perhaps she misheard?williamglenn said:
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I think it may be hard for the Republicans to lose the Senate for a long time (although, they've done their best by choosing some real horrors as candidates).SouthamObserver said:I was in Boston earlier this week. The expectation among most of those I spoke to was that Trump would lose the popular vote once more but win the election. I imagine they are right. America does not feel like a country that is even close to healing yet. The interesting bit will be what happens in the House and Senate votes that year. For the House the Republicans still have two more years to gerrymander and suppress. What a fine bunch they are. At some point, though, they will lose the levers of power - and when they do they may find they never get them back again.
The basic problem for the Democrats is how many rural or Appalachian States have moved against them, even as the biggest cities (which count for little in Senate terms) have moved towards them.0 -
I can't entirely agree with your last statement. They don't even generally speak English. However they have very deep roots here, at least as deep as my own, and are one of the most British things about Britain, in a loveable, eccentric kind of way.daodao said:
Correction: The black-hatted Jews in Stamford Hill (and also north Manchester) are Chasidim from the shtetlach of the former Polish-Lithuanian commonwealth, they are not Sephardi. Their antecedents nearly all arrived in the UK before 1905, are UK citizens and are as integrated into the UK as they can be while still adhering to the laws concerning Kosher food and Sabbath observance.
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Indeed. Good to have progressed your problem but it will require patience.Sean_F said:
Good news. I've just about recovered from a bad fall while hillwalking in Borrowdale.Cyclefree said:Anyway, in some good-ish news for me, I do not need a shoulder operation, which is big relief. I have apparently badly inflamed the long head of my biceps tendon and the area around it. God knows how. Probably excessive gardening.
So rest is prescribed. And painkillers. And intensive physio to strengthen all my other arm muscles to give my poor biceps a rest. It will take time which is a bore. But at least in time it should get better.
The only trouble is I have just received a big box from JParkers today of several hundred bulbs which need planting - and the weather is just right for this. So. What to do? Dig with my left hand, I suppose - or try and bribe some nice fit young man to do this for me.
And thank you to all who sent me your good wishes yesterday. Very much appreciated.
I have had real problems with my knees including referral to an orthopaedic surgeon and subseqently a physio directly reporting to him. It appears my cartilage and meniscus are not in good shape and I need a long period of physio and gentle exercise0 -
They clearly aren't, as it didn't mention an NI-only backstop. In any case, the document itself starts with the caveat that nothing is agreed until everything is agreed.anothernick said:
Well yes I take your point. But both sides are treating the terms of the December declaration, costs, transition period etc as though they are final and so it seems reasonable of the EU to treat the clauses on the Irish border as final as well. No cherry picking, as they say.RobD said:
You must have forgotten. Nothing is agreed until everything is agreed.anothernick said:
May has already signed up to an open-ended backstop. It is in the December declaration. And neither Foreign Secretary Johnson nor Brexit Secretary Davis demurred.RobD said:
Perhaps she misheard?williamglenn said:0 -
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Get well soon!Sean_F said:
Good news. I've just about recovered from a bad fall while hillwalking in Borrowdale.Cyclefree said:Anyway, in some good-ish news for me, I do not need a shoulder operation, which is big relief. I have apparently badly inflamed the long head of my biceps tendon and the area around it. God knows how. Probably excessive gardening.
So rest is prescribed. And painkillers. And intensive physio to strengthen all my other arm muscles to give my poor biceps a rest. It will take time which is a bore. But at least in time it should get better.
The only trouble is I have just received a big box from JParkers today of several hundred bulbs which need planting - and the weather is just right for this. So. What to do? Dig with my left hand, I suppose - or try and bribe some nice fit young man to do this for me.
And thank you to all who sent me your good wishes yesterday. Very much appreciated.0 -
As a result of housing pressures in N London a community of Hasidic Jews has recently moved to Canvey Island. There were a couple of articles in the local Press about attempts by the locals to welcome them that didn’t go as well as hoped.edb said:
I can't entirely agree with your last statement. They don't even generally speak English. However they have very deep roots here, at least as deep as my own, and are one of the most British things about Britain, in a loveable, eccentric kind of way.daodao said:
Correction: The black-hatted Jews in Stamford Hill (and also north Manchester) are Chasidim from the shtetlach of the former Polish-Lithuanian commonwealth, they are not Sephardi. Their antecedents nearly all arrived in the UK before 1905, are UK citizens and are as integrated into the UK as they can be while still adhering to the laws concerning Kosher food and Sabbath observance.0 -
There are currently many more states with Republican overall control than Democrat overall control. That may have something to do with it.RobD said:
How's that any worse than the Democrat example in Maryland I posted earlier?logical_song said:
Republicans recently at least are the worst offenders. For example see the court case they lost here:RobD said:
Based on past experience, I think that is very unlikely. And are the Democrats the ultimate arbiter of balance these days?logical_song said:
They should redress the balance bringing the court back to where it was. They should put in high quality judges who have more integrity than, for example, Kavanaugh.RobD said:
They are going to stuff the supreme court? And they are supposed to be the good guys...SouthamObserver said:
That's precisely my point. I would expect the next Democrat controlled House and Senate to increase the number of justices on the Supreme Court for starters - and to look at what can be done about voter suppression, at least, at a federal level. Then there's impeachment ...RobD said:
As if the Democrats don’t gerrymander. Seriously.SouthamObserver said:I was in Boston earlier this week. The expectation among most of those I spoke to was that Trump would lose the popular vote once more but win the election. I imagine they are right. America does not feel like a country that is even close to healing yet. The interesting bit will be what happens in the House and Senate votes that year. For the House the Republicans still have two more years to gerrymander and suppress. What a fine bunch they are. At some point, though, they will lose the levers of power - and when they do they may find they never get them back again.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.washingtonpost.com/amphtml/news/wonk/wp/2018/03/28/how-maryland-democrats-pulled-off-their-aggressive-gerrymander/
They should un-gerrymander districts and take them out of the control of politicians (as in the UK with a boundary commission).
Whether they do that or follow Trumps lead of win at any cost is another matter.
http://www2.philly.com/philly/news/politics/state/pennsylvania-gerrymandering-case-congressional-redistricting-map-coverage-guide-20180615.html0 -
Someone else, perhaps. Understand some American ladies are called Brandy!RobD said:0 -
I'm Welsh, not British.SouthamObserver said:
No, the Catalans are Spanish. Just as the Scots and Welsh are British. Some Catalans do not regard themselves as Spanish, but that is different. In any case, Catalans are not subjected to indiscriminate police brutality.
I think many of our Scottish contributors would describe themselves emphatically as Scottish, not British.
It's not up to you to tell the Scottish and Welsh people what they are and what they are not. They can decide for themselves,
The Catalan have an independent history, culture, language. They are a distinct people. They have a right to self-deternination. They are not Spanish. It is not up to you to tell them what they are.
A state that carries out systematic brutality against a distinct minority is not a welcoming, tolerant state.0 -
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Harrison?grabcocque said:
There you have it: Time was invented by the British.rkrkrk said:
She certainly has a way with words. From a recent speech she gave:grabcocque said:Miss Mordaunt misthought she misheard what she missaid, but she definitely did not. OKAY?
"Our economy is innately international because it was based on ancient routes of international trade. Our modern infrastructures have continued this tradition in shipping, airlines, roads, British law and even time itself."
https://www.gov.uk/government/speeches/the-future-of-uk-aid-post-brexit
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Harrison
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marine_chronometer0 -
I am merely repeating what was stated.
You are spinning.
He is gerrymandering
We are performing a fair redistrict.
They are to blame.
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Isn’t, or at least wasn’t Catalan spoken in Eastern Pyrenean France. And wasn’t there an historic Duchy or something which at some point was split between France and Spain?YBarddCwsc said:
I'm Welsh, not British.SouthamObserver said:
No, the Catalans are Spanish. Just as the Scots and Welsh are British. Some Catalans do not regard themselves as Spanish, but that is different. In any case, Catalans are not subjected to indiscriminate police brutality.
I think many of our Scottish contributors would describe themselves emphatically as Scottish, not British.
It's not up to you to tell the Scottish and Welsh people what they are and what they are not. They can decide for themselves,
The Catalan have an independent history, culture, language. They are a distinct people. They have a right to self-deternination. They are not Spanish. It is not up to you to tell them what they are.
A state that carries out systematic brutality against a distinct minority is not a welcoming, tolerant state.
There’s a French Rugby League side called the Catalan Dragons.0 -
Maybot speaking now0
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If a noun ends in "-y" the plural should be "-ies"?RobD said:0 -
Oh dear! But good that you're on the mend.Sean_F said:
Good news. I've just about recovered from a bad fall while hillwalking in Borrowdale.Cyclefree said:Anyway, in some good-ish news for me, I do not need a shoulder operation, which is big relief. I have apparently badly inflamed the long head of my biceps tendon and the area around it. God knows how. Probably excessive gardening.
So rest is prescribed. And painkillers. And intensive physio to strengthen all my other arm muscles to give my poor biceps a rest. It will take time which is a bore. But at least in time it should get better.
The only trouble is I have just received a big box from JParkers today of several hundred bulbs which need planting - and the weather is just right for this. So. What to do? Dig with my left hand, I suppose - or try and bribe some nice fit young man to do this for me.
And thank you to all who sent me your good wishes yesterday. Very much appreciated.0 -
Did they put on a Hog Roast?OldKingCole said:
As a result of housing pressures in N London a community of Hasidic Jews has recently moved to Canvey Island. There were a couple of articles in the local Press about attempts by the locals to welcome them that didn’t go as well as hoped.edb said:
I can't entirely agree with your last statement. They don't even generally speak English. However they have very deep roots here, at least as deep as my own, and are one of the most British things about Britain, in a loveable, eccentric kind of way.daodao said:
Correction: The black-hatted Jews in Stamford Hill (and also north Manchester) are Chasidim from the shtetlach of the former Polish-Lithuanian commonwealth, they are not Sephardi. Their antecedents nearly all arrived in the UK before 1905, are UK citizens and are as integrated into the UK as they can be while still adhering to the laws concerning Kosher food and Sabbath observance.0 -
Not that I care about these titles myself, but I don't think you can say you are not British cos you are! What do you do when you get a drop down box that offers you British and not Welsh?YBarddCwsc said:
I'm Welsh, not British.SouthamObserver said:
No, the Catalans are Spanish. Just as the Scots and Welsh are British. Some Catalans do not regard themselves as Spanish, but that is different. In any case, Catalans are not subjected to indiscriminate police brutality.
I think many of our Scottish contributors would describe themselves emphatically as Scottish, not British.
It's not up to you to tell the Scottish and Welsh people what they are and what they are not. They can decide for themselves,
The Catalan have an independent history, culture, language. They are a distinct people. They have a right to self-deternination. They are not Spanish. It is not up to you to tell them what they are.
A state that carries out systematic brutality against a distinct minority is not a welcoming, tolerant state.
You are British, you just are. You can't just decide you are Spanish for instance cos you are not.0 -
I blame the lack of coffee....Sunil_Prasannan said:
If a noun ends in "-y" the plural should be "-ies"?RobD said:0 -
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Northern_CataloniaOldKingCole said:
Isn’t, or at least wasn’t Catalan spoken in Eastern Pyrenean France. And wasn’t there an historic Duchy or something which at some point was split between France and Spain?YBarddCwsc said:
I'm Welsh, not British.SouthamObserver said:
No, the Catalans are Spanish. Just as the Scots and Welsh are British. Some Catalans do not regard themselves as Spanish, but that is different. In any case, Catalans are not subjected to indiscriminate police brutality.
I think many of our Scottish contributors would describe themselves emphatically as Scottish, not British.
It's not up to you to tell the Scottish and Welsh people what they are and what they are not. They can decide for themselves,
The Catalan have an independent history, culture, language. They are a distinct people. They have a right to self-deternination. They are not Spanish. It is not up to you to tell them what they are.
A state that carries out systematic brutality against a distinct minority is not a welcoming, tolerant state.
There’s a French Rugby League side called the Catalan Dragons.
French Catalonia or Roussillon refers to the Catalan-speaking and Catalan-culture territory ceded to France by Spain through the signing of the Treaty of the Pyrenees in 1659 in exchange of France's effective renunciation on the formal protection given to the recent founded Catalan Republic. The area corresponds exactly to the modern French département of the Pyrénées-Orientales which were historically part of Catalonia since the old County of Barcelona, and lasted during the times of the Crown of Aragon and the Principality of Catalonia until they were given to France by Spain.
The equivalent term in French, Catalogne Nord, is used nowadays, although less often than the more politically neutral Roussillon (the French word for Catalan: Rosselló). Sometimes the term French Catalonia can also be used.0 -
Do you think there might be more to the idea of nationhood than a drop down box?kjh said:
Not that I care about these titles myself, but I don't think you can say you are not British cos you are! What do you do when you get a drop down box that offers you British and not Welsh?YBarddCwsc said:
I'm Welsh, not British.SouthamObserver said:
No, the Catalans are Spanish. Just as the Scots and Welsh are British. Some Catalans do not regard themselves as Spanish, but that is different. In any case, Catalans are not subjected to indiscriminate police brutality.
I think many of our Scottish contributors would describe themselves emphatically as Scottish, not British.
It's not up to you to tell the Scottish and Welsh people what they are and what they are not. They can decide for themselves,
The Catalan have an independent history, culture, language. They are a distinct people. They have a right to self-deternination. They are not Spanish. It is not up to you to tell them what they are.
A state that carries out systematic brutality against a distinct minority is not a welcoming, tolerant state.
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Perpignan had Catalan flags everywhere when I visited about 10 years ago.0
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Biden/Warren might have been the ideal ticket, but I think it more likely to be Warren.SouthamObserver said:
It is a fair point that a lot of the minorities who turned out to vote for Obama in 08 and 12 did not turn out for Hillary. In several swing states that was probably significant. The Democrats need a candidate to get out their vote where it really matters - without scaring independents. That surely means Biden. Trump's biggest challenge, though, is probably women voters. He clearly has very serious issues around women - and these are not just sexual.Nigelb said:
I think you perhaps overestimate his chances.DavidL said:I think of all his nicknames Pocahontas has been my favourite. It's a career ending monkier for Warren making her look like a fantasist, trivial and entirely unserious, all at the same time.
Trump is an appalling individual: venal, immoral, dishonest and more than a bit of a fantasist himself but he's got this politics stuff nailed. His speech about Blasey Ford's "one can of beer" and "I don't remember" was an absolutely devastating use of rhetoric, just brutal. He is always capable of self destruction but failing that he is going to be very, very hard to beat.
He will hold his base, but that is not sufficient.0 -
There are many in Scotland and Wales that would reject your comment.kjh said:
Not that I care about these titles myself, but I don't think you can say you are not British cos you are! What do you do when you get a drop down box that offers you British and not Welsh?YBarddCwsc said:
I'm Welsh, not British.SouthamObserver said:
No, the Catalans are Spanish. Just as the Scots and Welsh are British. Some Catalans do not regard themselves as Spanish, but that is different. In any case, Catalans are not subjected to indiscriminate police brutality.
I think many of our Scottish contributors would describe themselves emphatically as Scottish, not British.
It's not up to you to tell the Scottish and Welsh people what they are and what they are not. They can decide for themselves,
The Catalan have an independent history, culture, language. They are a distinct people. They have a right to self-deternination. They are not Spanish. It is not up to you to tell them what they are.
A state that carries out systematic brutality against a distinct minority is not a welcoming, tolerant state.
You are British, you just are. You can't just decide you are Spanish for instance cos you are not.
However, I am English/Welshman, my wife is a Scot, and my three children and four grandchildren have all been born in Wales.
My wife and I generally consider we are British but my children and my older grandchildren consider they are Welsh0 -
don't you mean coffies? :-)RobD said:
I blame the lack of coffee....Sunil_Prasannan said:
If a noun ends in "-y" the plural should be "-ies"?RobD said:0 -
Re Trump's bullying. If they don't already know so, it is to be hoped (and expected?) that once Trump loses the next election, politicians will know better than to resort to disparaging nicknames.0
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Big_G, you are free to choose. I respect your choice.Big_G_NorthWales said:
There are many in Scotland and Wales that would reject your comment.kjh said:
Not that I care about these titles myself, but I don't think you can say you are not British cos you are! What do you do when you get a drop down box that offers you British and not Welsh?YBarddCwsc said:
I'm Welsh, not British.SouthamObserver said:
No, the Catalans are Spanish. Just as the Scots and Welsh are British. Some Catalans do not regard themselves as Spanish, but that is different. In any case, Catalans are not subjected to indiscriminate police brutality.
I think many of our Scottish contributors would describe themselves emphatically as Scottish, not British.
It's not up to you to tell the Scottish and Welsh people what they are and what they are not. They can decide for themselves,
The Catalan have an independent history, culture, language. They are a distinct people. They have a right to self-deternination. They are not Spanish. It is not up to you to tell them what they are.
A state that carries out systematic brutality against a distinct minority is not a welcoming, tolerant state.
You are British, you just are. You can't just decide you are Spanish for instance cos you are not.
However, I am English/Welshman, my wife is a Scot, and my three children and four grandchildren have all been born in Wales.
My wife and I generally consider we are British but my children and my older grandchildren consider they are Welsh
To be clear, some members of my family consider themselves British, but most do not.
Notice that this courtesy was removed by Southam.
He told me that the Scots and Welsh are all British and the Catalans are all Spanish.0 -
covfefe!Tim_B said:
don't you mean coffies? :-)RobD said:
I blame the lack of coffee....Sunil_Prasannan said:
If a noun ends in "-y" the plural should be "-ies"?RobD said:0 -
Yes I agree. Maybe it is because it isn't important to me, but this is hurting my head. Wales is within Britain and therefore you are British by definition. Do you want Wales not to be in Britain? Is that the reason? Even if Wales was independent I'm not sure it still wouldn't be part of Britain. I'm not sure how that is defined? I'm a European but I don't live in a country called Europe. I'm very confused by this.Although it is not important to me I understand how you can be proud of being Welsh. My wife for instance is Scottish and proud of it, but she is still British. I'm very confused.YBarddCwsc said:
Do you think there might be more to the idea of nationhood than a drop down box?kjh said:
Not that I care about these titles myself, but I don't think you can say you are not British cos you are! What do you do when you get a drop down box that offers you British and not Welsh?YBarddCwsc said:
I'm Welsh, not British.SouthamObserver said:
No, the Catalans are Spanish. Just as the Scots and Welsh are British. Some Catalans do not regard themselves as Spanish, but that is different. In any case, Catalans are not subjected to indiscriminate police brutality.
I think many of our Scottish contributors would describe themselves emphatically as Scottish, not British.
It's not up to you to tell the Scottish and Welsh people what they are and what they are not. They can decide for themselves,
The Catalan have an independent history, culture, language. They are a distinct people. They have a right to self-deternination. They are not Spanish. It is not up to you to tell them what they are.
A state that carries out systematic brutality against a distinct minority is not a welcoming, tolerant state.
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Not if it ends in -ay, -ey, -oy or -uy. Or if it's a proper noun. Mr and Mrs Daly are the Dalys, not the Dalies.Sunil_Prasannan said:
If a noun ends in "-y" the plural should be "-ies"?RobD said:0 -
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I can understand that what is primarily important to them is that they are Welsh, but do they really say they are not British? And if they do they are wrong because they are. This is just weird. I'm starting to care too much about this!Big_G_NorthWales said:
There are many in Scotland and Wales that would reject your comment.kjh said:
Not that I care about these titles myself, but I don't think you can say you are not British cos you are! What do you do when you get a drop down box that offers you British and not Welsh?YBarddCwsc said:
I'm Welsh, not British.SouthamObserver said:
No, the Catalans are Spanish. Just as the Scots and Welsh are British. Some Catalans do not regard themselves as Spanish, but that is different. In any case, Catalans are not subjected to indiscriminate police brutality.
I think many of our Scottish contributors would describe themselves emphatically as Scottish, not British.
It's not up to you to tell the Scottish and Welsh people what they are and what they are not. They can decide for themselves,
The Catalan have an independent history, culture, language. They are a distinct people. They have a right to self-deternination. They are not Spanish. It is not up to you to tell them what they are.
A state that carries out systematic brutality against a distinct minority is not a welcoming, tolerant state.
You are British, you just are. You can't just decide you are Spanish for instance cos you are not.
However, I am English/Welshman, my wife is a Scot, and my three children and four grandchildren have all been born in Wales.
My wife and I generally consider we are British but my children and my older grandchildren consider they are Welsh0 -
What's the plural of Mandy ?Sunil_Prasannan said:
If a noun ends in "-y" the plural should be "-ies"?RobD said:0 -
Well, he can. What does that mean?williamglenn said:0 -
I think he means that the UK agreed to a solution (the backstop arrangement in the absence of other solutions) and the challenge now is that the UK government can't get a deal implementing that solution through parliament.Gallowgate said:
Well, he can. What does that mean?williamglenn said:0 -
If he's being clear, then 'a matter of internal UK politics' means he doesn't care what the solution is. I bet that's not what he means though.Gallowgate said:
Well, he can. What does that mean?williamglenn said:0 -
MandelsonsNigelb said:
What's the plural of Mandy ?Sunil_Prasannan said:
If a noun ends in "-y" the plural should be "-ies"?RobD said:0 -
I'm intrigued by this national identity issue. I am English, British, European just because of where I was born/live. Nothing more. These are a matter of fact. I don't feel any strong identity. I will support England, Britain, Europe in sport in that order, but I'm likely to flip if they are playing an underdog for instance and using gamesmanship, so I'm not that loyal if it is not deserved. My wife is similar, although from a Scottish view point. Any team playing England become honorary Scots, but her enthusiasm for anti England can wane and she has been known to support England if they look to really deserve it.0
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Ah, I see your trick. You are creating a false scenario to ensure that you can convince yourself that this is a problem.TOPPING said:
No of course it is not. We don't need, nor does WTO rules mandate any borders anywhere (taking back control notwithstanding). It is another WTO member that would bring the action that, under WTO rules, would require us to have one.archer101au said:
It is not about predictions on outcome. It is about whether the ERG plan on the NI border would be in violation of WTO rules. It is not.TOPPING said:
You addressed no such thing. You stated your fantasy outcome. Or perhaps one that will be in place in a few years (let's hope). What you most certainly didn't address is where we are today, why no one has described, or provided the plans for, or submitted the technical drawings of, or published a white paper on the technological/remote solution.archer101au said:
I addressed this yesterday. It is clearly not true. WTO rules do not require a 'hard' border - they just require that checks are done. The checks would be done, via declaration and via audit away from the border. Problem solved.
I think a goodly proportion of the western world is eagerly awaiting just such a disclosure and yet detail, other than mad Brexiters waving their hands in ignorance, has there been none.
Read this article. It is short, sharp, and to the point.
The ERG plan does not envisage 'no checks' on goods crossing the NI border. It envisages declarations on customs and regulations, plus checks that take place on a risk weighted basis away from the border.
The WTO does not specify how or where checks are carried out. It is up to the UK how it decides to conduct these checks. There is no problem.
Of course, if the WTO did have a problem with the ERG plan how come No 10 has not wheeled them out to say so in public?0 -
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Well, to be fair to May, she did not agree a NI only backstop in December so he is lying.Polruan said:
I think he means that the UK agreed to a solution (the backstop arrangement in the absence of other solutions) and the challenge now is that the UK government can't get a deal implementing that solution through parliament.Gallowgate said:
Well, he can. What does that mean?williamglenn said:0 -
SO WHAT IS THE PLAN FOR IT!!??archer101au said:
Ah, I see your trick. You are creating a false scenario to ensure that you can convince yourself that this is a problem.TOPPING said:
No of course it is not. We don't need, nor does WTO rules mandate any borders anywhere (taking back control notwithstanding). It is another WTO member that would bring the action that, under WTO rules, would require us to have one.archer101au said:
It is not about predictions on outcome. It is about whether the ERG plan on the NI border would be in violation of WTO rules. It is not.TOPPING said:
You addressed no such thing. You stated your fantasy outcome. Or perhaps one that will be in place in a few years (let's hope). What you most certainly didn't address is where we are today, why no one has described, or provided the plans for, or submitted the technical drawings of, or published a white paper on the technological/remote solution.archer101au said:
I addressed this yesterday. It is clearly not true. WTO rules do not require a 'hard' border - they just require that checks are done. The checks would be done, via declaration and via audit away from the border. Problem solved.
I think a goodly proportion of the western world is eagerly awaiting just such a disclosure and yet detail, other than mad Brexiters waving their hands in ignorance, has there been none.
Read this article. It is short, sharp, and to the point.
The ERG plan does not envisage 'no checks' on goods crossing the NI border. It envisages declarations on customs and regulations, plus checks that take place on a risk weighted basis away from the border.
The WTO does not specify how or where checks are carried out. It is up to the UK how it decides to conduct these checks. There is no problem.
Of course, if the WTO did have a problem with the ERG plan how come No 10 has not wheeled them out to say so in public?
You keep saying this away from the border thing but I have seen no detail about it. The ERG hasn't presented it, the Government hasn't presented it, you haven't presented it, and nor has anyone else for that matter presented it. Please can you post the link to it.
In theory it sounds great but how does it work in practice. Have you not read The Republic?0 -
Well, at least you didn't say that you all consider yourself EuropeanBig_G_NorthWales said:
There are many in Scotland and Wales that would reject your comment.kjh said:
Not that I care about these titles myself, but I don't think you can say you are not British cos you are! What do you do when you get a drop down box that offers you British and not Welsh?YBarddCwsc said:
I'm Welsh, not British.SouthamObserver said:
No, the Catalans are Spanish. Just as the Scots and Welsh are British. Some Catalans do not regard themselves as Spanish, but that is different. In any case, Catalans are not subjected to indiscriminate police brutality.
I think many of our Scottish contributors would describe themselves emphatically as Scottish, not British.
It's not up to you to tell the Scottish and Welsh people what they are and what they are not. They can decide for themselves,
The Catalan have an independent history, culture, language. They are a distinct people. They have a right to self-deternination. They are not Spanish. It is not up to you to tell them what they are.
A state that carries out systematic brutality against a distinct minority is not a welcoming, tolerant state.
You are British, you just are. You can't just decide you are Spanish for instance cos you are not.
However, I am English/Welshman, my wife is a Scot, and my three children and four grandchildren have all been born in Wales.
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Not necessarily. Parliament could pass legislation compressing the election timetable - before FTPA an election could be held in as little as three weeks from announcement to polling day.CarlottaVance said:
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I think the translation into French must have said something different...RobD said:
It even says that on page 1 of the December agreement.RobD said:
You must have forgotten. Nothing is agreed until everything is agreed.anothernick said:
May has already signed up to an open-ended backstop. It is in the December declaration. And neither Foreign Secretary Johnson nor Brexit Secretary Davis demurred.RobD said:
Perhaps she misheard?williamglenn said:
Looking further at the text, where is the NI-only backstop mentioned? I only see a passage stating that the whole UK would remain in alignment, and that there would be no additional regulatory border between GB and NI.0 -
He can rule on the economic decisions of a sovereign Country. That is what the treaties allow him to do.Big_G_NorthWales said:Listening to Junckers and Tusk you just despair. They are incompetent beyond belief and how they hold any office is unbelievable
Junckers interferring in Italy saying Italy is Italy. If he thinks he can rule on the economic decisions of a sovereign Country he is inviting insurrection
Good job we are leaving.0 -
Did I really write that ?!?Nigelb said:
Biden/Warren might have been the ideal ticket, but I think it more likely to be Warren.SouthamObserver said:
It is a fair point that a lot of the minorities who turned out to vote for Obama in 08 and 12 did not turn out for Hillary. In several swing states that was probably significant. The Democrats need a candidate to get out their vote where it really matters - without scaring independents. That surely means Biden. Trump's biggest challenge, though, is probably women voters. He clearly has very serious issues around women - and these are not just sexual.Nigelb said:
I think you perhaps overestimate his chances.DavidL said:I think of all his nicknames Pocahontas has been my favourite. It's a career ending monkier for Warren making her look like a fantasist, trivial and entirely unserious, all at the same time.
Trump is an appalling individual: venal, immoral, dishonest and more than a bit of a fantasist himself but he's got this politics stuff nailed. His speech about Blasey Ford's "one can of beer" and "I don't remember" was an absolutely devastating use of rhetoric, just brutal. He is always capable of self destruction but failing that he is going to be very, very hard to beat.
He will hold his base, but that is not sufficient.
I meant Harris, not Warren.
(Asleep at the keyboard today.)
Harris has been reading up on working family tax credit...
https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2018/10/lefts-trump-sized-tax-plans/573328/0 -
https://www.documentcloud.org/documents/4872550-The-Border-Between-Northern-Ireland-and-the.html#document/p1TOPPING said:
SO WHAT IS THE PLAN FOR IT!!??archer101au said:
Ah, I see your trick. You are creating a false scenario to ensure that you can convince yourself that this is a problem.TOPPING said:
No of course it is not. We don't need, nor does WTO rules mandate any borders anywhere (taking back control notwithstanding). It is another WTO member that would bring the action that, under WTO rules, would require us to have one.archer101au said:
It is not about predictions on outcome. It is about whether the ERG plan on the NI border would be in violation of WTO rules. It is not.TOPPING said:
You addressed no such thing. You stated your fantasy outcome. Or perhaps one that will be in place in a few years (let's hope). What you most certainly didn't address is where we are today, why no one has described, or provided the plans for, or submitted the technical drawings of, or published a white paper on the technological/remote solution.archer101au said:
I addressed this yesterday. It is clearly not true. WTO rules do not require a 'hard' border - they just require that checks are done. The checks would be done, via declaration and via audit away from the border. Problem solved.
I think a goodly proportion of the western world is eagerly awaiting just such a disclosure and yet detail, other than mad Brexiters waving their hands in ignorance, has there been none.
Read this article. It is short, sharp, and to the point.
The ERG plan does not envisage 'no checks' on goods crossing the NI border. It envisages declarations on customs and regulations, plus checks that take place on a risk weighted basis away from the border.
The WTO does not specify how or where checks are carried out. It is up to the UK how it decides to conduct these checks. There is no problem.
Of course, if the WTO did have a problem with the ERG plan how come No 10 has not wheeled them out to say so in public?
You keep saying this away from the border thing but I have seen no detail about it. The ERG hasn't presented it, the Government hasn't presented it, you haven't presented it, and nor has anyone else for that matter presented it. Please can you post the link to it.
In theory it sounds great but how does it work in practice. Have you not read The Republic?
It is all in the above doc. Including checks away from the border area.0 -
A quick read of the comments suggests there are a lot of EU zealots about on the Guardian website. Those unwilling to accept compromise on Brexit will be those who end up with nothing to smile about.CarlottaVance said:0 -
She agreed to maintain full regulatory alignment in the absence of agreed solutions. She doesn't want to accept the NI concession offered by the EU - fair enough, it has impacts on the UK she doesn't like - but she can still meet the condition by delivering unilateral alignment.archer101au said:
Well, to be fair to May, she did not agree a NI only backstop in December so he is lying.Polruan said:
I think he means that the UK agreed to a solution (the backstop arrangement in the absence of other solutions) and the challenge now is that the UK government can't get a deal implementing that solution through parliament.Gallowgate said:
Well, he can. What does that mean?williamglenn said:0 -
She might be a ‘Daily’, though. Or, depending on income, have one.Dadge said:
Not if it ends in -ay, -ey, -oy or -uy. Or if it's a proper noun. Mr and Mrs Daly are the Dalys, not the Dalies.Sunil_Prasannan said:
If a noun ends in "-y" the plural should be "-ies"?RobD said:0 -
The Lars Karlsson solution seems to involve a lot of computer systems that are conveniently available from Lars Karlsson's company. Who's paying for them?ralphmalph said:https://www.documentcloud.org/documents/4872550-The-Border-Between-Northern-Ireland-and-the.html#document/p1
It is all in the above doc. Including checks away from the border area.0 -
"Mandies"? "Mandys" just doesn't look right.Nigelb said:
What's the plural of Mandy ?Sunil_Prasannan said:
If a noun ends in "-y" the plural should be "-ies"?RobD said:0 -
And, just to complete the discussion on this particular red herring, from the WTO (GATT 1994):ralphmalph said:
https://www.documentcloud.org/documents/4872550-The-Border-Between-Northern-Ireland-and-the.html#document/p1TOPPING said:
SO WHAT IS THE PLAN FOR IT!!??archer101au said:
Ah, I see your trick. You are creating a false scenario to ensure that you can convince yourself that this is a problem.TOPPING said:
No of course it is not. We don't need, nor does WTO rules mandate any borders anywhere (taking back control notwithstanding). It is another WTO member that would bring the action that, under WTO rules, would require us to have one.archer101au said:
It is not about predictions on outcome. It is about whether the ERG plan on the NI border would be in violation of WTO rules. It is not.
Read this article. It is short, sharp, and to the point.
The ERG plan does not envisage 'no checks' on goods crossing the NI border. It envisages declarations on customs and regulations, plus checks that take place on a risk weighted basis away from the border.
The WTO does not specify how or where checks are carried out. It is up to the UK how it decides to conduct these checks. There is no problem.
Of course, if the WTO did have a problem with the ERG plan how come No 10 has not wheeled them out to say so in public?
You keep saying this away from the border thing but I have seen no detail about it. The ERG hasn't presented it, the Government hasn't presented it, you haven't presented it, and nor has anyone else for that matter presented it. Please can you post the link to it.
In theory it sounds great but how does it work in practice. Have you not read The Republic?
It is all in the above doc. Including checks away from the border area.
"A WTO Member is allowed to take any action which is considers necessary for the protection of its essential security interests or in pursuance of its obligations under the United Nations Charter for the maintenance of international peace and security."
I think we cam safely say that checks away from the border in NI are going to be just fine.0 -
You should see the comments on David Allan Green's FT article arguing that the EU may have been mistaken on stuffing the 'backstop' into the WA........'Wickerman' springs to mind....Brom said:
A quick read of the comments suggests there are a lot of EU zealots about on the Guardian website. Those unwilling to accept compromise on Brexit will be those who end up with nothing to smile about.CarlottaVance said:0 -
"Dalys"? Just doesn't look right!Dadge said:
Not if it ends in -ay, -ey, -oy or -uy. Or if it's a proper noun. Mr and Mrs Daly are the Dalys, not the Dalies.Sunil_Prasannan said:
If a noun ends in "-y" the plural should be "-ies"?RobD said:0 -
The taxpayer of course. We are paying for the new super duper customs system that is being implemented now. I believe IBM are prime contractor so Trump should be happy.williamglenn said:
The Lars Karlsson solution seems to involve a lot of computer systems that are conveniently available from Lars Karlsson's company. Who's paying for them?ralphmalph said:https://www.documentcloud.org/documents/4872550-The-Border-Between-Northern-Ireland-and-the.html#document/p1
It is all in the above doc. Including checks away from the border area.
But the the part that does the analysis on what loads to check are from UK software companies.0 -
I agree she is unlikely to get the nomination (and said as much yesterday).Richard_Nabavi said:Elizabeth Warren is toast, surely. Lord only knows what she was trying to achieve with that DNA test, but whatever it was, it has backfired big-time. It has just served to make Trump look right, and make her look petulant, silly, defensive and probably dishonest.
In any case she's the wrong candidate to appeal to the key voters the Dems need to win back, in places like Ohio, Wisconsin, and Michigan. The Dems need to focus entirely on electability in the key states. They are going to lose again if they indulge themselves with a candidate whose appeal lies mostly in California and the north-east.
Not so much because she's dishonest - I think that is unfair, as this article suggests:
https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2018/10/18/just-about-everything-youve-read-warren-dna-test-is-wrong/
- but because she can't even win a news cycle she instigated.
Against a brazen liar, likely fraudster, and shill for mass murderers.
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Mendies?Tim_B said:
MandelsonsNigelb said:
What's the plural of Mandy ?Sunil_Prasannan said:
If a noun ends in "-y" the plural should be "-ies"?RobD said:0 -
She can. But let's be clear - the EU are not offering that; in fact they expressly refuse to allow it.Polruan said:
She agreed to maintain full regulatory alignment in the absence of agreed solutions. She doesn't want to accept the NI concession offered by the EU - fair enough, it has impacts on the UK she doesn't like - but she can still meet the condition by delivering unilateral alignment.archer101au said:
Well, to be fair to May, she did not agree a NI only backstop in December so he is lying.Polruan said:
I think he means that the UK agreed to a solution (the backstop arrangement in the absence of other solutions) and the challenge now is that the UK government can't get a deal implementing that solution through parliament.Gallowgate said:
Well, he can. What does that mean?williamglenn said:
The EU are saying that even if there was (later) a UK wide Customs Union, there would have to be a regulatory barrier in the Irish Sea because the EU will not accept the UK remaining in 'full alignment' since they consider this cherry picking.
Which is ruling out exactly what was agreed.
But this is still May's fault for agreeing the concept of a backstop in the first place.0 -
Only resolution to this crisis seems to be to oust May, say the backstop is dead and do they want to talk or not. If they don't we have a few months to prepare for no deal. If they do we can get a deal.
May has failed.0 -
So, nobody seems to know exactly what May has asked for. Including herself.
Presumably she forgot to tell herself what she asked for.0 -
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O/T - a bit long and dramatic!
Had an interesting incident on my way to work this morning. Those of you who travel on the Waterloo and City line at Waterloo will know how the queues snake around during busy periods. This guy, fully booted and suited casually jumped the really long queue and refused to adhere to the requests of the TfL staff to get tot he back of the queue. The sheer arrogance of the guy astounded me - I went up to him suggesting what he had done was wrong and yes I did call him a "tall tw*t".
For my troubles I got a size 12 boot up my spine which made me collapse to the floor, bruises and all. A big shout-out to the couple of lovely ladies who helped me up. The guy nonchalantly carried on and boarded the train. I was going to leave the matter but the two ladies told me to report this to the Police (they had photos on their phone etc.). I got off at Bank and sneakily followed him to his workplace - with that knowledge I returned to Bank station and reported the incident to BTP. Luckily the ladies had also called in as witnesses to the event. Let's see what happens but definitely an interesting commute into work today!!
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Indeed. She now appears to be utterly clueless about how to proceed.Philip_Thompson said:Only resolution to this crisis seems to be to oust May, say the backstop is dead and do they want to talk or not. If they don't we have a few months to prepare for no deal. If they do we can get a deal.
May has failed.0 -
I keep seeing this asserted but have struggled to find any statement to that effect (there have been a lot of statements. I might have missed one). The EU will allow the UK to remain in full alignment because that's a UK matter. The UK can commit to aligning to whatever rules it likes. It gets no benefit, it just becomes a rule taker. It has to make the commitment to not diverge until agreed solutions are found.archer101au said:
She can. But let's be clear - the EU are not offering that; in fact they expressly refuse to allow it.Polruan said:
She agreed to maintain full regulatory alignment in the absence of agreed solutions. She doesn't want to accept the NI concession offered by the EU - fair enough, it has impacts on the UK she doesn't like - but she can still meet the condition by delivering unilateral alignment.archer101au said:
Well, to be fair to May, she did not agree a NI only backstop in December so he is lying.Polruan said:
I think he means that the UK agreed to a solution (the backstop arrangement in the absence of other solutions) and the challenge now is that the UK government can't get a deal implementing that solution through parliament.Gallowgate said:
Well, he can. What does that mean?williamglenn said:
The EU are saying that even if there was (later) a UK wide Customs Union, there would have to be a regulatory barrier in the Irish Sea because the EU will not accept the UK remaining in 'full alignment' since they consider this cherry picking.
Which is ruling out exactly what was agreed.
But this is still May's fault for agreeing the concept of a backstop in the first place.
The problem with Chequers in this respect was reserving the right to diverge in due course.
What the EU offered was to allow this requirement to be met by NI remaining in SM and CU without having all the normal obligations of a member. It has refused to extend this concessionary offer to the whole UK.
Have I got this right, or has the EU said that the UK voluntarily and unilaterally maintaining full alignment doesn't constitute a backstop?0 -
I'm in france at the moment and I'm sure you'll be amazed to know that no one here seems to think our lot are the brightest cards in the packBig_G_NorthWales said:Listening to Junckers and Tusk you just despair. They are incompetent beyond belief and how they hold any office is unbelievable
Junckers interferring in Italy saying Italy is Italy. If he thinks he can rule on the economic decisions of a sovereign Country he is inviting insurrection0 -
I honestly think they'd be overjoyed. If the Tories send her to the farm to be put down, a caretaker leader (say David Davis) could do a deal with Corbyn, transition quickly to EEA+CU, and then have all the time in the world to negotiate Canada Plus Infinity.Philip_Thompson said:Only resolution to this crisis seems to be to oust May, say the backstop is dead and do they want to talk or not. If they don't we have a few months to prepare for no deal. If they do we can get a deal.
May has failed.
It really isn't THAT hard. But it can't happen until somebody shoots May.0 -
Hope you're not hurt & there's no lasting damage - and you press charges - sounds like a pretty straightforward common assault. The publicity will do him much more damage than any Magistrates fine. There will very likely be CCTV too.murali_s said:O/T - a bit long and dramatic!
Had an interesting incident on my way to work this morning. Those of you who travel on the Waterloo and City line at Waterloo will know how the queues snake around during busy periods. This guy, fully booted and suited casually jumped the really long queue and refused to adhere to the requests of the TfL staff to get tot he back of the queue. The sheer arrogance of the guy astounded me - I went up to him suggesting what he had done was wrong and yes I did call him a "tall tw*t".
For my troubles I got a size 12 boot up my spine which made me collapse to the floor, bruises and all. A big shout-out to the couple of lovely ladies who helped me up. The guy nonchalantly carried on and boarded the train. I was going to leave the matter but the two ladies told me to report this to the Police (they had photos on their phone etc.). I got off at Bank and sneakily followed him to his workplace - with that knowledge I returned to Bank station and reported the incident to BTP. Luckily the ladies had also called in as witnesses to the event. Let's see what happens but definitely an interesting commute into work today!!0 -
Good on you. I wouldn't have done that and would have been annoyed at myself for being a coward.murali_s said:O/T - a bit long and dramatic!
Had an interesting incident on my way to work this morning. Those of you who travel on the Waterloo and City line at Waterloo will know how the queues snake around during busy periods. This guy, fully booted and suited casually jumped the really long queue and refused to adhere to the requests of the TfL staff to get tot he back of the queue. The sheer arrogance of the guy astounded me - I went up to him suggesting what he had done was wrong and yes I did call him a "tall tw*t".
For my troubles I got a size 12 boot up my spine which made me collapse to the floor, bruises and all. A big shout-out to the couple of lovely ladies who helped me up. The guy nonchalantly carried on and boarded the train. I was going to leave the matter but the two ladies told me to report this to the Police (they had photos on their phone etc.). I got off at Bank and sneakily followed him to his workplace - with that knowledge I returned to Bank station and reported the incident to BTP. Luckily the ladies had also called in as witnesses to the event. Let's see what happens but definitely an interesting commute into work today!!0 -
Been there done that. I ended up having to take a day off work and when the defendant admitted the offence got £280 in damages.murali_s said:O/T - a bit long and dramatic!
Had an interesting incident on my way to work this morning. Those of you who travel on the Waterloo and City line at Waterloo will know how the queues snake around during busy periods. This guy, fully booted and suited casually jumped the really long queue and refused to adhere to the requests of the TfL staff to get tot he back of the queue. The sheer arrogance of the guy astounded me - I went up to him suggesting what he had done was wrong and yes I did call him a "tall tw*t".
For my troubles I got a size 12 boot up my spine which made me collapse to the floor, bruises and all. A big shout-out to the couple of lovely ladies who helped me up. The guy nonchalantly carried on and boarded the train. I was going to leave the matter but the two ladies told me to report this to the Police (they had photos on their phone etc.). I got off at Bank and sneakily followed him to his workplace - with that knowledge I returned to Bank station and reported the incident to BTP. Luckily the ladies had also called in as witnesses to the event. Let's see what happens but definitely an interesting commute into work today!!
Given that I earn slightly more than £280 a day it really wasn't worth the stress and hassle..0 -
Good for you.murali_s said:O/T - a bit long and dramatic!
Had an interesting incident on my way to work this morning. Those of you who travel on the Waterloo and City line at Waterloo will know how the queues snake around during busy periods. This guy, fully booted and suited casually jumped the really long queue and refused to adhere to the requests of the TfL staff to get tot he back of the queue. The sheer arrogance of the guy astounded me - I went up to him suggesting what he had done was wrong and yes I did call him a "tall tw*t".
For my troubles I got a size 12 boot up my spine which made me collapse to the floor, bruises and all. A big shout-out to the couple of lovely ladies who helped me up. The guy nonchalantly carried on and boarded the train. I was going to leave the matter but the two ladies told me to report this to the Police (they had photos on their phone etc.). I got off at Bank and sneakily followed him to his workplace - with that knowledge I returned to Bank station and reported the incident to BTP. Luckily the ladies had also called in as witnesses to the event. Let's see what happens but definitely an interesting commute into work today!!0 -
Can it if there's been a vote of no confidence?anothernick said:
Not necessarily. Parliament could pass legislation compressing the election timetable - before FTPA an election could be held in as little as three weeks from announcement to polling day.CarlottaVance said:0 -
Because compressing the timeline to minimise the discussion on a post-Brexit negotiations fuck-up election is going to play so well with the voters....anothernick said:
Not necessarily. Parliament could pass legislation compressing the election timetable - before FTPA an election could be held in as little as three weeks from announcement to polling day.CarlottaVance said:0 -
She is a fraud - she has claimed for years that her mother and father had to elope to get married because her mother was part Cherokee and part Delaware. The DNA result questions - to put it mildly - that assertion. She has also used this minority claim for years to move her career forward. So Trump calling her Pocahontas struck a chord.Nigelb said:
I agree she is unlikely to get the nomination (and said as much yesterday).Richard_Nabavi said:Elizabeth Warren is toast, surely. Lord only knows what she was trying to achieve with that DNA test, but whatever it was, it has backfired big-time. It has just served to make Trump look right, and make her look petulant, silly, defensive and probably dishonest.
In any case she's the wrong candidate to appeal to the key voters the Dems need to win back, in places like Ohio, Wisconsin, and Michigan. The Dems need to focus entirely on electability in the key states. They are going to lose again if they indulge themselves with a candidate whose appeal lies mostly in California and the north-east.
Not so much because she's dishonest - I think that is unfair, as this article suggests:
https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2018/10/18/just-about-everything-youve-read-warren-dna-test-is-wrong/
- but because she can't even win a news cycle she instigated.
Against a brazen liar, likely fraudster, and shill for mass murderers.0 -
Thanks Carlotta - just some light bruising (though the Police did say I should take some photos later on in the evening when the bruises darken!). The Mrs was a little bit less sympathetic, telling me off for calling him the T word. Notes for next time I guess!CarlottaVance said:
Hope you're not hurt & there's no lasting damage - and you press charges - sounds like a pretty straightforward common assault. The publicity will do him much more damage than any Magistrates fine.murali_s said:O/T - a bit long and dramatic!
Had an interesting incident on my way to work this morning. Those of you who travel on the Waterloo and City line at Waterloo will know how the queues snake around during busy periods. This guy, fully booted and suited casually jumped the really long queue and refused to adhere to the requests of the TfL staff to get tot he back of the queue. The sheer arrogance of the guy astounded me - I went up to him suggesting what he had done was wrong and yes I did call him a "tall tw*t".
For my troubles I got a size 12 boot up my spine which made me collapse to the floor, bruises and all. A big shout-out to the couple of lovely ladies who helped me up. The guy nonchalantly carried on and boarded the train. I was going to leave the matter but the two ladies told me to report this to the Police (they had photos on their phone etc.). I got off at Bank and sneakily followed him to his workplace - with that knowledge I returned to Bank station and reported the incident to BTP. Luckily the ladies had also called in as witnesses to the event. Let's see what happens but definitely an interesting commute into work today!!0 -
As one whose surname ends in a y. Believe me, the ies ending looks utterly ridiculous. And disturbing. Not my surname at all.Sunil_Prasannan said:
"Dalys"? Just doesn't look right!Dadge said:
Not if it ends in -ay, -ey, -oy or -uy. Or if it's a proper noun. Mr and Mrs Daly are the Dalys, not the Dalies.Sunil_Prasannan said:
If a noun ends in "-y" the plural should be "-ies"?RobD said:0 -
So David Davies, who thinks we need to totally get out of EEA and CU and attacking May for keeping us in the CU would....keep up in the CU?grabcocque said:
I honestly think they'd be overjoyed. If the Tories send her to the farm to be put down, a caretaker leader (say David Davis) could do a deal with Corbyn, transition quickly to EEA+CU, and then have all the time in the world to negotiate Canada Plus Infinity.Philip_Thompson said:Only resolution to this crisis seems to be to oust May, say the backstop is dead and do they want to talk or not. If they don't we have a few months to prepare for no deal. If they do we can get a deal.
May has failed.
It really isn't THAT hard. But it can't happen until somebody shoots May.
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Would have to check to be sure, but there's a 14-day period in which a VONC can be rescinded - presumably there is no bar on the House undertaking other business, including passing legislation in that time (in fact I guess it's used for the normal wash-up of outstanding bills before dissolution, so must be possible).Philip_Thompson said:
Can it if there's been a vote of no confidence?anothernick said:
Not necessarily. Parliament could pass legislation compressing the election timetable - before FTPA an election could be held in as little as three weeks from announcement to polling day.CarlottaVance said:0 -
There is no systematic brutality in Catalonia, where around half the population consider themselves Spanish and half do not. All travel on Spanish passports and have Spanish citizenship.YBarddCwsc said:
I'm Welsh, not British.SouthamObserver said:
No, the Catalans are Spanish. Just as the Scots and Welsh are British. Some Catalans do not regard themselves as Spanish, but that is different. In any case, Catalans are not subjected to indiscriminate police brutality.
I think many of our Scottish contributors would describe themselves emphatically as Scottish, not British.
It's not up to you to tell the Scottish and Welsh people what they are and what they are not. They can decide for themselves,
The Catalan have an independent history, culture, language. They are a distinct people. They have a right to self-deternination. They are not Spanish. It is not up to you to tell them what they are.
A state that carries out systematic brutality against a distinct minority is not a welcoming, tolerant state.
Catalonia does not have an independent history. It has never been an independent country. It certainly has a distinct language - one it shares with Valencia, the Balearic Islands, parts of Murcia, Andorra and Rousillon in France. Catalonia is also home to many cultures. I lived there for five years and go back frequently. How long did you live there?
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Seems plain daft counter intuitive.....Slackbladder said:
So David Davies, who thinks we need to totally get out of EEA and CU and attacking May for keeping us in the CU would....keep up in the CU?grabcocque said:
I honestly think they'd be overjoyed. If the Tories send her to the farm to be put down, a caretaker leader (say David Davis) could do a deal with Corbyn, transition quickly to EEA+CU, and then have all the time in the world to negotiate Canada Plus Infinity.Philip_Thompson said:Only resolution to this crisis seems to be to oust May, say the backstop is dead and do they want to talk or not. If they don't we have a few months to prepare for no deal. If they do we can get a deal.
May has failed.
It really isn't THAT hard. But it can't happen until somebody shoots May.
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Yes, we have to clear the air. The Tories need to give Barnier Theresa's head on a pike. Thereafter, get someone with transparent intentions who isn't always desperate to ride two horses. Someone from either side of the Brexit divide will do - A Boris or a Ken Clarke. Nothing succeeds like clarity itself.Philip_Thompson said:Only resolution to this crisis seems to be to oust May, say the backstop is dead and do they want to talk or not. If they don't we have a few months to prepare for no deal. If they do we can get a deal.
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Isn't there a risk that Boris (all on his own) is from 'either side' given the 2-letter strategy? Might not provide the hoped-for clarity.Stark_Dawning said:
Yes, we have to clear the air. The Tories need to give Barnier Theresa's head on a pike. Thereafter, get someone with transparent intentions who isn't always desperate to ride two horses. Someone from either side of the Brexit divide will do - A Boris or a Ken Clarke. Nothing succeeds like clarity itself.Philip_Thompson said:Only resolution to this crisis seems to be to oust May, say the backstop is dead and do they want to talk or not. If they don't we have a few months to prepare for no deal. If they do we can get a deal.
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It would have to be somebody like him. He'd be one of the few people who'd have the appropriate trust from the ERG wing of the party to pull it off. And you could get Corbyn on board by promising him an early (though not immediate) election and some vague wording about workers rights.Slackbladder said:
So David Davies, who thinks we need to totally get out of EEA and CU and attacking May for keeping us in the CU would....keep up in the CU?grabcocque said:
I honestly think they'd be overjoyed. If the Tories send her to the farm to be put down, a caretaker leader (say David Davis) could do a deal with Corbyn, transition quickly to EEA+CU, and then have all the time in the world to negotiate Canada Plus Infinity.Philip_Thompson said:Only resolution to this crisis seems to be to oust May, say the backstop is dead and do they want to talk or not. If they don't we have a few months to prepare for no deal. If they do we can get a deal.
May has failed.
It really isn't THAT hard. But it can't happen until somebody shoots May.
Errr ok??
If May said "we're moving to EEA+CU so we can negotiate Canada+ at our leisure" then JRM would be like "tinkle the other one it doth have teeny little bells 'pon it", but if Davis said it, I think the ERG would *believe* him.0 -
It's time for the Buccaneering Brexiteers to deliver on that promised easiest trade deal in the world with all the upsides of being in the EU and none of the downsides. Clearly, given how simple it is going to be it will be all done by Christmas.Stark_Dawning said:
Yes, we have to clear the air. The Tories need to give Barnier Theresa's head on a pike. Thereafter, get someone with transparent intentions who isn't always desperate to ride two horses. Someone from either side of the Brexit divide will do - A Boris or a Ken Clarke. Nothing succeeds like clarity itself.Philip_Thompson said:Only resolution to this crisis seems to be to oust May, say the backstop is dead and do they want to talk or not. If they don't we have a few months to prepare for no deal. If they do we can get a deal.
May has failed.
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Hickenlooper is too centrist for current Democratic primary voters, Warren, Sanders or Harris look the most likely nominee at the moment. Biden would be the best general election candidate but he will find it a challenge to win once the field narrows down after the first few primaries and caucuses and his main opponent is a left liberal populist0
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EEA+CU indefinitely is exactly what May is heading towards now anywaygrabcocque said:
I honestly think they'd be overjoyed. If the Tories send her to the farm to be put down, a caretaker leader (say David Davis) could do a deal with Corbyn, transition quickly to EEA+CU, and then have all the time in the world to negotiate Canada Plus Infinity.Philip_Thompson said:Only resolution to this crisis seems to be to oust May, say the backstop is dead and do they want to talk or not. If they don't we have a few months to prepare for no deal. If they do we can get a deal.
May has failed.
It really isn't THAT hard. But it can't happen until somebody shoots May.0 -
Totally. It is enjoyable watching the entire fraud that is identity politics and how people who have power in every other way manage to acquire some kind of victimhood that gives them a preference/grievance. In the case of the person in question she used her 'heritage' to get her promoted at her work place.Tim_B said:
She is a fraud - she has claimed for years that her mother and father had to elope to get married because her mother was part Cherokee and part Delaware. The DNA result questions - to put it mildly - that assertion. She has also used this minority claim for years to move her career forward. So Trump calling her Pocahontas struck a chord.Nigelb said:
I agree she is unlikely to get the nomination (and said as much yesterday).Richard_Nabavi said:Elizabeth Warren is toast, surely. Lord only knows what she was trying to achieve with that DNA test, but whatever it was, it has backfired big-time. It has just served to make Trump look right, and make her look petulant, silly, defensive and probably dishonest.
In any case she's the wrong candidate to appeal to the key voters the Dems need to win back, in places like Ohio, Wisconsin, and Michigan. The Dems need to focus entirely on electability in the key states. They are going to lose again if they indulge themselves with a candidate whose appeal lies mostly in California and the north-east.
Not so much because she's dishonest - I think that is unfair, as this article suggests:
https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2018/10/18/just-about-everything-youve-read-warren-dna-test-is-wrong/
- but because she can't even win a news cycle she instigated.
Against a brazen liar, likely fraudster, and shill for mass murderers.
We see this total demolition happening across the Atlantic while we are the busy process of implementing it here. We keep going and a Trump will emerge here as well.0 -
Yes, but Theresa was held in similar esteem early on. She was going to go to war with Spain over Gibraltar remember. I'm sure DD would suffer a similar fate - from Churchill to collaborator in the blink of an eye. The ERG types give you no wriggle room whatsoever.grabcocque said:
It would have to be somebody like him. He'd be one of the few people who'd have the appropriate trust from the ERG wing of the party to pull it off. And you could get Corbyn on board by promising him an early (though not immediate) election and some vague wording about workers rights.Slackbladder said:
So David Davies, who thinks we need to totally get out of EEA and CU and attacking May for keeping us in the CU would....keep up in the CU?grabcocque said:
I honestly think they'd be overjoyed. If the Tories send her to the farm to be put down, a caretaker leader (say David Davis) could do a deal with Corbyn, transition quickly to EEA+CU, and then have all the time in the world to negotiate Canada Plus Infinity.Philip_Thompson said:Only resolution to this crisis seems to be to oust May, say the backstop is dead and do they want to talk or not. If they don't we have a few months to prepare for no deal. If they do we can get a deal.
May has failed.
It really isn't THAT hard. But it can't happen until somebody shoots May.
Errr ok??
If May said "we're moving to EEA+CU so we can negotiate Canada+ at our leisure" then JRM would be like "tinkle the other one it doth have teeny little bells 'pon it", but if Davis said it, I think the ERG would *believe* him.0 -
Why should May accept that? She would put a SM and CU backstop for NI to the Commons well before the ERG could muster the numbers to oust her and it would likely pass rendering a No confidence vote pointlessPhilip_Thompson said:Only resolution to this crisis seems to be to oust May, say the backstop is dead and do they want to talk or not. If they don't we have a few months to prepare for no deal. If they do we can get a deal.
May has failed.0 -
Pretty sure we've moved on past that. We are where we are.SouthamObserver said:
It's time for the Buccaneering Brexiteers to deliver on that promised easiest trade deal in the world with all the upsides of being in the EU and none of the downsides. Clearly, given how simple it is going to be it will be all done by Christmas.Stark_Dawning said:
Yes, we have to clear the air. The Tories need to give Barnier Theresa's head on a pike. Thereafter, get someone with transparent intentions who isn't always desperate to ride two horses. Someone from either side of the Brexit divide will do - A Boris or a Ken Clarke. Nothing succeeds like clarity itself.Philip_Thompson said:Only resolution to this crisis seems to be to oust May, say the backstop is dead and do they want to talk or not. If they don't we have a few months to prepare for no deal. If they do we can get a deal.
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A point I've made a couple of times on here is illustrated by this article from the Guardian.
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2018/oct/18/young-people-brexit-peoples-vote-future
It is worth remembering that the remainers on here like myself are generally coming at this debate with the point of view that the EU is a genuine point of political debate. So if we can make a good enough case we can win over leavers, or at least reduce their enthusiasm. The leavers likewise advance arguments to try and make it clear that their way is the better one. There's enough common ground for the discussion to continue for some considerable time.
I have similar exchanges with my friends and older members of my family. But when I talk to my children, it isn't like that at all. They don't regard the EU as something that you choose to leave. It is simply the way it is and the way it must be. They don't understand why anyone would want to leave, and are deeply suspicious of anyone who does. It is so far removed from their worldview you might as well be talking about sending small boys back up chimneys or re-establishing the empire.
It is worth remembering this. It isn't just a possibility that we will be rejoining. It is an absolute inevitability.0
