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For the first time since 10pm on 8th June 2017, I beginning to think that Theresa May might stay the course as PM and party leader until the next general election in 2021 or 2022.0
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Yes, Tory members will not allow another coronation unless it is an emergency with someone who is obviously only a temp (eg DD).Big_G_NorthWales said:
Last time Leadsome stood down. This time there will be a clamour from lots to stand. It will be a real contestLordOfReason said:
Simple fact is, that isn’t what happened last time, how May got it.Big_G_NorthWales said:
You really do not know our system. I have explained it to youWulfrun_Phil said:
By waiting. Wait for a few more weeks for May's Chequers offer to completely unravel in the face of EU political intransigence. Then let the letters go in. And then wait a bit longer in the hope that another challenger throws their hat in the ring to challenge May first, before he does so himself.SeanT said:Boris is closer to being PM, right now, than at any point in his career. But how does he seize the crown?
If TM lost a vnoc she would stand down and a full leadership contest would take place with at least 6 -8 candidates, one of course would be Boris. Televised hustings would take place and then a vote is taken by all conservative mps to put two of the candidates to the members. At present Boris has annoyed so many of his fellow colleagues it is doubtful he would get in the final two. However, if he did it is more than likely he would win
The whole process would take 2 - 3 months and I would expect TM to be a caretaker pending the appointment of her successor.
I hope that you accept that as a membership I do know the process
I still maintain the idea that two Remainers can be put to the membership is fanciful - this is going to be a Remain vs Leave battle like everything else and each side will coalesce around one candidate which means the Leaver will win. To me the chances of Javid and Hunt etc rely on this contest taking place well after Brexit.
If Raab for example resigns over May’s deal, he might be a shoo in. If Boris really can’t win he will throw his support to someone else and that person will almost be certain to make the final two.
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Because the alternative candidates are jostling for position like ferrets in a sack, in the most unedifying way?Richard_Nabavi said:For the first time since 10pm on 8th June 2017, I beginning to think that Theresa May might stay the course as PM and party leader until the next general election in 2021 or 2022.
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If she gets booed at her own conference she might be gone tomorrow!Richard_Nabavi said:For the first time since 10pm on 8th June 2017, I beginning to think that Theresa May might stay the course as PM and party leader until the next general election in 2021 or 2022.
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It may take Scotland that long. It is 50 years since the rise of the PQ. The young pro-Indy SNP voters will be around for a good few years.HYUFD said:
Indeed but it has taken 38 years since Quebec's first independence referendum in 1980 for independence finally to be parked to one side and the PQ to no longer be in the two largest parties in the province, so Scotland has a while yet of independence/unionist bickering to godixiedean said:
It is somewhat more complex than that. But is a sea change for Quebec, and good for the long term future of Canadian Federalism. Politics there has long been pro-independence PQ vs anti-independence Liberals (which incidentally, encompasses Liberals, Conservative and NDP voters federally). The Liberals have 70% of the Anglophone vote.HYUFD said:kle4 said:
Pretty massive swings too.AndyJS said:This politician's party has just got walloped in Quebec:
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-45592997
First time ever the centre right Coalition Avenir Quebec has won a majority in the province gaining 53 seats, it is the equivalent of the Tories winning a majority in Scotland.
The governing Liberals lost 36 seats and the nationalist Parti Quebecois lost 19 seats and the small leftwing pro independence Quebec Solidaire gained 7
The PQ vote is gradually dying off. They have failed to attract the young, just banging on about independence all the time.
The CAQ and QS have emerged as genuine right and left alternatives to both major parties by parking the independence issue and focussing instead on actual competence and policy.
Which transforms the usual independence/federalist bickering which all too often became a proxy Francophone/Anglophone fight.0 -
I think the central projection is for about 2.3 billion, not 3 billion.Sunil_Prasannan said:
Africa's population will top 3 billion? Seriously?Foxy said:
Yes, and much of that growth is baked in already, even if fertility drops precipitously, due to drops in child mortality, and increases in adult life expectancy:Sunil_Prasannan said:
Africa will overtake India + China + rest of Asia? Seriously?Foxy said:
Africa over takes Asia as the most populated continent this century.HYUFD said:
India will have overtaken China as the world's largest population in a few decadesAndyJS said:Only 11 and a bit years to go before China's population peaks according to this. I think the UK population is expected to still be rising at that time.
https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/world/china/chinas-population-to-peak-to-1-45-billion-by-2030/articleshow/57603275.cms
https://www.businessinsider.com/africas-population-explosion-will-change-humanity-2015-80 -
Still possible candidates will withdrawal if MPs overwhelmingly endorse one of them, the whole thing very similar to end of Thatcher, crowning of Major in two weeks. The reason to believe this is because of the background, the unity required to quickly regroup in face of crisis. No deal with EU in October May falls much like Chamberlain. New leader goes to summit In November.Big_G_NorthWales said:
Last time Leadsome stood down. This time there will be a clamour from lots to stand. It will be a real contestLordOfReason said:
Simple fact is, that isn’t what happened last time, how May got it.Big_G_NorthWales said:
You really do not know our system. I have explained it to youWulfrun_Phil said:
By waiting. Wait for a few more weeks for May's Chequers offer to completely unravel in the face of EU political intransigence. Then let the letters go in. And then wait a bit longer in the hope that another challenger throws their hat in the ring to challenge May first, before he does so himself.SeanT said:Boris is closer to being PM, right now, than at any point in his career. But how does he seize the crown?
If TM lost a vnoc she would stand down and a full leadership contest would take place with at least 6 -8 candidates, one of course would be Boris. Televised hustings would take place and then a vote is taken by all conservative mps to put two of the candidates to the members. At present Boris has annoyed so many of his fellow colleagues it is doubtful he would get in the final two. However, if he did it is more than likely he would win
The whole process would take 2 - 3 months and I would expect TM to be a caretaker pending the appointment of her successor.
I hope that you accept that as a membership I do know the process
There is absolutely no way May goes to both those summits. Long election thingies as you described only for straight after election defeats, not furnace of national crisis.0 -
Partly that, partly because the more they jostle the better she looks in comparison, and partly because as Ian Birrell writes (although he's arguing she'll leave before the 2022 election):AndyJS said:
Because the alternative candidates are jostling for position like ferrets in a sack in the most unedifying way?Richard_Nabavi said:For the first time since 10pm on 8th June 2017, I beginning to think that Theresa May might stay the course as PM and party leader until the next general election in 2021 or 2022.
I am no fan of May, but if she does pull off a deal the Westminster mood will change. She is stubborn, and there is no reason to think she would quit or be forced out (even if is her fault that parliament is paralysed after a dismal election performance and premature triggering of article 50). She could bask in success if the economy does not crash, and focus on the domestic agenda before handing over to the next generation before the 2022 election. This would give the Tories time to unite and attempt to rebuild bridges with younger generations betrayed by the stupidity of Brexit. There remains everything to play for in this extraordinary game of highest-stakes political poker.
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2018/oct/02/theresa-may-brexit-prime-minister-deal-tory
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She'll get a good response, I expect.archer101au said:
If she gets booed at her own conference she might be gone tomorrow!Richard_Nabavi said:For the first time since 10pm on 8th June 2017, I beginning to think that Theresa May might stay the course as PM and party leader until the next general election in 2021 or 2022.
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Better still: Wet Lukewarm *unt!LordOfReason said:
Can Hunts new nickname be Lukewarm? P l e a s eJohn_M said:
Are you really a member? Hunt's problem isn't what he said, but that he's a tryhard. The next leader will have to be a true beleaver, not some watered down, lukewarm closet remainer.HYUFD said:
Hunt hardly had a great conference after half of Europe's Ambassadors slagged off his speechGIN1138 said:
Javid who virtually nobody turned up to listen to this morning?Stereotomy said:
Javid is the closest I can think ofJonathan said:Who is the stop Boris unity candidate?
At this point I'd say with the exceptions of Boris and JRM the only Cabinet members to have had a "good conference" are Hunt and Raab - But Raab is ahead because he was a Leaver and Con will be wary of going to another Remainer pretending to be a Leaver like they did with Theresa May.
That will be Hunt's problem. Javid also has the same problem in addition to being too much like Continuity May and Hammond.0 -
You are right but if someone had enough letters there is nothing to stop them ‘standing’ against May in the VONC. They can say that they are challenging her at that stage. So in theory Boris (or someone else) can get a group of letters, announce he is standing against May and trigger the vote. It would change the dynamic. I don’t expect it to happen like that but it could.Big_G_NorthWales said:
You really do not know our system. I have explained it to youWulfrun_Phil said:
By waiting. Wait for a few more weeks for May's Chequers offer to completely unravel in the face of EU political intransigence. Then let the letters go in. And then wait a bit longer in the hope that another challenger throws their hat in the ring to challenge May first, before he does so himself.SeanT said:Boris is closer to being PM, right now, than at any point in his career. But how does he seize the crown?
If TM lost a vnoc she would stand down and a full leadership contest would take place with at least 6 -8 candidates, one of course would be Boris. Televised hustings would take place and then a vote is taken by all conservative mps to put two of the candidates to the members. At present Boris has annoyed so many of his fellow colleagues it is doubtful he would get in the final two. However, if he did it is more than likely he would win
The whole process would take 2 - 3 months and I would expect TM to be a caretaker pending the appointment of her successor.
I hope that you accept that as a membership I do know the process0 -
Probably she will not mention Brexit or Chequers at all except in passing. If she talks about her vision of a deal she is toast. Says a lot when the PM cannot talk about the primary issue affecting the nation at her own conference.Richard_Nabavi said:
She'll get a good response, I expect.archer101au said:
If she gets booed at her own conference she might be gone tomorrow!Richard_Nabavi said:For the first time since 10pm on 8th June 2017, I beginning to think that Theresa May might stay the course as PM and party leader until the next general election in 2021 or 2022.
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I don’t understand all this talk coming out of the Tory conference about how well Corbyn and Labour did last week. Do Tories really believe that, or is it some unfathomable mind game? Labours conference last week was a disaster, as proven by polls showing not only the electorate stopped listening, but got spooked by the wild and half baked nature of the promised revolution. What Labour proposed would need an orchard of magic money trees to prevent real pain upon the hard working households and families of Britain, the Conservative under sixteens could demolish Corbyns labour all on their own.
And yet, the donkey of a chancellor is trying to answer the questions the Labour conference set? The Labour conference only asked one question: when the writings on the wall, and the winds of change do blow, and it comes to your turn to lead, how can a party be so utterly inept as to produce a manifesto like that, And completely forego the turn at government?0 -
Second referendum may come soon.
https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/second-referendum-may-come-sooner-than-we-think-l2cxnpfbv0 -
You're referring to the poll after the conference that put Labour 5 points ahead?LordOfReason said:I don’t understand all this talk coming out of the Tory conference about how well Corbyn and Labour did last week. Do Tories really believe that, or is it some unfathomable mind game? Labours conference last week was a disaster, as proven by polls showing not only the electorate stopped listening, but got spooked by the wild and half baked nature of the promised revolution. What Labour proposed would need an orchard of magic money trees to prevent real pain upon the hard working households and families of Britain, the Conservative under sixteens could demolish Corbyns labour all on their own.
And yet, the donkey of a chancellor is trying to answer the questions the Labour conference set? The Labour conference only asked one question: when the writings on the wall, and the winds of change do blow, and it comes to your turn to lead, how can a party be so utterly inept as to produce a manifesto like that, And completely forego the turn at government?
Personally I didn't think it was more than a workmanlike conference - it went a certain way to suggesting that we had an agenda for government, rather than being preoccupied with nationalisation or Brexit, but there was nothing very memorable. After the conference season I expect to see level pegging return, unless May is wonderful or terrible.0 -
The UN projections for 2100 are Asia 4.7 billion and Africa 4.2 billion. Asia still ahead of Africa.AndyJS said:
I think the central projection is for about 2.3 billion, not 3 billion.Sunil_Prasannan said:
Africa's population will top 3 billion? Seriously?Foxy said:
Yes, and much of that growth is baked in already, even if fertility drops precipitously, due to drops in child mortality, and increases in adult life expectancy:Sunil_Prasannan said:
Africa will overtake India + China + rest of Asia? Seriously?Foxy said:
Africa over takes Asia as the most populated continent this century.HYUFD said:
India will have overtaken China as the world's largest population in a few decadesAndyJS said:Only 11 and a bit years to go before China's population peaks according to this. I think the UK population is expected to still be rising at that time.
https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/world/china/chinas-population-to-peak-to-1-45-billion-by-2030/articleshow/57603275.cms
https://www.businessinsider.com/africas-population-explosion-will-change-humanity-2015-8
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_population0 -
Don't recall one, fortunately. I wouldn't have done well - I generally buy own-brand cheap stuff, but don't recall the exact prices.kle4 said:
Were you ever subject to such a quiz?NickPalmer said:
I don't like the pop quiz approach to politicians, tempting though it is for journalists. I shop in supermarkets 2-3 times a week, but I'm not sure I could give an instant answer to the amount needed to feed a family of 3, let alone the answer that happens to fit the basis for the question. And of course it'll only get publicised if you get it wrong.FrancisUrquhart said:
I don't live in Canada and even I know food is bloody expensive there...$75 for one maybe, but even then.AndyJS said:This politician's party has just got walloped in Quebec:
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I'm sure she will.Richard_Nabavi said:
She'll get a good response, I expect.archer101au said:
If she gets booed at her own conference she might be gone tomorrow!Richard_Nabavi said:For the first time since 10pm on 8th June 2017, I beginning to think that Theresa May might stay the course as PM and party leader until the next general election in 2021 or 2022.
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The response will be no doubt almost "Iain Duncan Smith mere weeks before he was summarily defenestrated" levels of ovation.NickPalmer said:
I'm sure she will.Richard_Nabavi said:
She'll get a good response, I expect.archer101au said:
If she gets booed at her own conference she might be gone tomorrow!Richard_Nabavi said:For the first time since 10pm on 8th June 2017, I beginning to think that Theresa May might stay the course as PM and party leader until the next general election in 2021 or 2022.
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You really don't know the party if you think she'll be booed at Conference.archer101au said:
If she gets booed at her own conference she might be gone tomorrow!Richard_Nabavi said:For the first time since 10pm on 8th June 2017, I beginning to think that Theresa May might stay the course as PM and party leader until the next general election in 2021 or 2022.
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I don’t want to bare my Tusks, but are you cherry picking polls to buttress your spin?NickPalmer said:
You're referring to the poll after the conference that put Labour 5 points ahead?LordOfReason said:I don’t understand all this talk coming out of the Tory conference about how well Corbyn and Labour did last week. Do Tories really believe that, or is it some unfathomable mind game? Labours conference last week was a disaster, as proven by polls showing not only the electorate stopped listening, but got spooked by the wild and half baked nature of the promised revolution. What Labour proposed would need an orchard of magic money trees to prevent real pain upon the hard working households and families of Britain, the Conservative under sixteens could demolish Corbyns labour all on their own.
And yet, the donkey of a chancellor is trying to answer the questions the Labour conference set? The Labour conference only asked one question: when the writings on the wall, and the winds of change do blow, and it comes to your turn to lead, how can a party be so utterly inept as to produce a manifesto like that, And completely forego the turn at government?
Personally I didn't think it was more than a workmanlike conference - it went a certain way to suggesting that we had an agenda for government, rather than being preoccupied with nationalisation or Brexit, but there was nothing very memorable. After the conference season I expect to see level pegging return, unless May is wonderful or terrible.
The polls. There needs to be polling bounce between the conferences, in the trend between the polls there honestly was not one. It points to a failed conference. One which oddness spooked voters.
The narrative, over the summer and autumn, is of Labour losing ground, losing listeners and switchers, not gaining.
The politics is a manifesto inspired by that conference will require an orchard of magic money trees, a group of bright fourteen year olds would be able to dismantle Labours economic policy in the first week of the next general election campaign.0 -
So we only have to wait until about 2052 then for normal service to be resumed in Scotland!dixiedean said:
It may take Scotland that long. It is 50 years since the rise of the PQ. The young pro-Indy SNP voters will be around for a good few years.HYUFD said:
Indeed but it has taken 38 years since Quebec's first independence referendum in 1980 for independence finally to be parked to one side and the PQ to no longer be in the two largest parties in the province, so Scotland has a while yet of independence/unionist bickering to godixiedean said:
It is somewhat more complex than that. But is a sea change for Quebec, and good for the long term future of Canadian Federalism. Politics there has long been pro-independence PQ vs anti-independence Liberals (which incidentally, encompasses Liberals, Conservative and NDP voters federally). The Liberals have 70% of the Anglophone vote.HYUFD said:kle4 said:
Pretty massive swings too.AndyJS said:This politician's party has just got walloped in Quebec:
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-45592997
First time ever the centre right Coalition Avenir Quebec has won a majority in the province gaining 53 seats, it is the equivalent of the Tories winning a majority in Scotland.
The governing Liberals lost 36 seats and the nationalist Parti Quebecois lost 19 seats and the small leftwing pro independence Quebec Solidaire gained 7
The PQ vote is gradually dying off. They have failed to attract the young, just banging on about independence all the time.
The CAQ and QS have emerged as genuine right and left alternatives to both major parties by parking the independence issue and focussing instead on actual competence and policy.
Which transforms the usual independence/federalist bickering which all too often became a proxy Francophone/Anglophone fight.0 -
I love the word defenestrate. Conjures images of pips being cut off shoulders as you have to stand there.grabcocque said:
The response will be no doubt almost "Iain Duncan Smith mere weeks before he was summarily defenestrated" levels of ovation.NickPalmer said:
I'm sure she will.Richard_Nabavi said:
She'll get a good response, I expect.archer101au said:
If she gets booed at her own conference she might be gone tomorrow!Richard_Nabavi said:For the first time since 10pm on 8th June 2017, I beginning to think that Theresa May might stay the course as PM and party leader until the next general election in 2021 or 2022.
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The biggest national crisis since 1940, and you’re ring fencing a few Thursday afternoons to design the T shirts in a long drawn out internal leadership campaign?archer101au said:
Yes, Tory members will not allow another coronation unless it is an emergency with someone who is obviously only a temp (eg DD).Big_G_NorthWales said:
Last time Leadsome stood down. This time there will be a clamour from lots to stand. It will be a real contestLordOfReason said:
Simple fact is, that isn’t what happened last time, how May got it.Big_G_NorthWales said:
You really do not know our system. I have explained it to youWulfrun_Phil said:
By waiting. Wait for a few more weeks for May's Chequers offer to completely unravel in the face of EU political intransigence. Then let the letters go in. And then wait a bit longer in the hope that another challenger throws their hat in the ring to challenge May first, before he does so himself.SeanT said:Boris is closer to being PM, right now, than at any point in his career. But how does he seize the crown?
If TM lost a vnoc she would stand down and a full leadership contest would take place with at least 6 -8 candidates, one of course would be Boris. Televised hustings would take place and then a vote is taken by all conservative mps to put two of the candidates to the members. At present Boris has annoyed so many of his fellow colleagues it is doubtful he would get in the final two. However, if he did it is more than likely he would win
The whole process would take 2 - 3 months and I would expect TM to be a caretaker pending the appointment of her successor.
I hope that you accept that as a membership I do know the process
I still maintain the idea that two Remainers can be put to the membership is fanciful - this is going to be a Remain vs Leave battle like everything else and each side will coalesce around one candidate which means the Leaver will win. To me the chances of Javid and Hunt etc rely on this contest taking place well after Brexit.
If Raab for example resigns over May’s deal, he might be a shoo in. If Boris really can’t win he will throw his support to someone else and that person will almost be certain to make the final two.0 -
I don't know... I've got a feeling the mood within the Tory membership is a lot more "mutinous" than most people realize...Philip_Thompson said:
You really don't know the party if you think she'll be booed at Conference.archer101au said:
If she gets booed at her own conference she might be gone tomorrow!Richard_Nabavi said:For the first time since 10pm on 8th June 2017, I beginning to think that Theresa May might stay the course as PM and party leader until the next general election in 2021 or 2022.
I doubt she'll be booed but... Anything could happen at the moment, IMO.0 -
Alright stop, collaborate and listen... Introducing Theresa May's No Deal Brexit
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If she don’t take this moment to chuck Chequers publically on that stage in front that auto queue, she’s toast.archer101au said:
Probably she will not mention Brexit or Chequers at all except in passing. If she talks about her vision of a deal she is toast. Says a lot when the PM cannot talk about the primary issue affecting the nation at her own conference.Richard_Nabavi said:
She'll get a good response, I expect.archer101au said:
If she gets booed at her own conference she might be gone tomorrow!Richard_Nabavi said:For the first time since 10pm on 8th June 2017, I beginning to think that Theresa May might stay the course as PM and party leader until the next general election in 2021 or 2022.
It’s not Boris line alone, chuck Chequers, Vince Cable said it, Farage said it, Labour Party conference said it, Salzburg said it. She cant stand by Chequers tommorow in the speech, and immediately afterwards in negotiation rooms row back on what she just said and received standing ovation for.
No. No she can’t. That’s precisely misbehaviour shredding her credibility with everyone.0 -
Question: is there a correlation between those who want a second referendum and those who supported Remain in the first one? If so, I don't know how much credence we can give to these predictions.williamglenn said:Second referendum may come soon.
https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/second-referendum-may-come-sooner-than-we-think-l2cxnpfbv0 -
FPT on Galileo... If you adopt the position, pour la vue de nez, that Williamson is misinformed or ignorant about everything except fireplaces you won't go far wrong.
The Falklands and Ascension Galileo facilities are "Sensor Stations". They download telemetry and relay it to the control centres. They provide NO uplink or control or localised position information. If Galileo lost access to these facilities it means there would be an area over the South Atlantic where data would not be available. As Galileo satellites have an orbital period of 14 hours and 'repeat cycle' of 10 days the black spot would only be a relatively small percentage of each satellite's cycle.
In reality, if Galileo where to be kicked out of the FI and ASI then they would probably build new Sensor Stations on the coast of Chile or Argentina (who would love to fuck us over on this matter) and Cape Verde.
Finally, while the satellite payloads are manufactured the UK they are not made by the UK government owned and directed Royal British Satellite Factory they are made by Airbus Space and Defense. So while the British government could certainly do a Putin/Mugabe style expropriation of the facility it could not stop Airbus using the intellectual property to make them elsewhere.
In conclusion, Willamson is, as usual, talking absolute shit fuelled by crass stupidity.
This theme of Galileo does reappear quite frequently in a squall of ill informed speculation. Maybe I'll write a header on it...0 -
I'll offer you good odds if you want to bet on that.archer101au said:
If she gets booed at her own conference she might be gone tomorrow!Richard_Nabavi said:For the first time since 10pm on 8th June 2017, I beginning to think that Theresa May might stay the course as PM and party leader until the next general election in 2021 or 2022.
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How many Brexit supporters are happy with the way things are going?AndyJS said:
Question: is there a correlation between those who want a second referendum and those who supported Remain in the first one? If so, I don't know how much credence we can give to these predictions.williamglenn said:Second referendum may come soon.
https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/second-referendum-may-come-sooner-than-we-think-l2cxnpfbv
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I was a Remain voter, although a less than enthusiastic one. The EU was always going to make things as difficult as possible for the UK following the Leave result.williamglenn said:
How many Brexit supporters are happy with the way things are going?AndyJS said:
Question: is there a correlation between those who want a second referendum and those who supported Remain in the first one? If so, I don't know how much credence we can give to these predictions.williamglenn said:Second referendum may come soon.
https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/second-referendum-may-come-sooner-than-we-think-l2cxnpfbv
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They could.archer101au said:
You are right but if someone had enough letters there is nothing to stop them ‘standing’ against May in the VONC. They can say that they are challenging her at that stage. So in theory Boris (or someone else) can get a group of letters, announce he is standing against May and trigger the vote. It would change the dynamic. I don’t expect it to happen like that but it could.Big_G_NorthWales said:
You really do not know our system. I have explained it to youWulfrun_Phil said:
By waiting. Wait for a few more weeks for May's Chequers offer to completely unravel in the face of EU political intransigence. Then let the letters go in. And then wait a bit longer in the hope that another challenger throws their hat in the ring to challenge May first, before he does so himself.SeanT said:Boris is closer to being PM, right now, than at any point in his career. But how does he seize the crown?
If TM lost a vnoc she would stand down and a full leadership contest would take place with at least 6 -8 candidates, one of course would be Boris. Televised hustings would take place and then a vote is taken by all conservative mps to put two of the candidates to the members. At present Boris has annoyed so many of his fellow colleagues it is doubtful he would get in the final two. However, if he did it is more than likely he would win
The whole process would take 2 - 3 months and I would expect TM to be a caretaker pending the appointment of her successor.
I hope that you accept that as a membership I do know the process
But the impact of doing so would be to make it a de facto choice between Theresa May and said challenger. So, if JRM or Johnson were to "challenge" Theresa May, then it would likely cause those on the pro-EU side of the party to back her.
One third of the parliamentary Conservative Party would like someone more Eurosceptic than TM. One third would like someone more conciliatory to the EU. And one third just wants to get Brexit behind us as soon as possible. (And also realises that Britain's relationship with the EU will evolve over the next decade in any case.)0 -
Another Brexit campaigner suffering from ennui.
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She will get a great reception unless she starts talking about her Brexit deal. If she does, all bets are off. Suspect she will only mention Brexit in passing and with generalities which is pretty pathetic.GIN1138 said:
I don't know... I've got a feeling the mood within the Tory membership is a lot more "mutinous" than most people realize...Philip_Thompson said:
You really don't know the party if you think she'll be booed at Conference.archer101au said:
If she gets booed at her own conference she might be gone tomorrow!Richard_Nabavi said:For the first time since 10pm on 8th June 2017, I beginning to think that Theresa May might stay the course as PM and party leader until the next general election in 2021 or 2022.
I doubt she'll be booed but... Anything could happen at the moment, IMO.
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I think it is now obvious that May was not upset at the EU for rejecting Chequers- she was upset that they embarrassed her then when she told them she was going to climb down later. The only reason for her to keep pushing Chequers is to pave the way for a bigger set of concessions and that is why she won’t talk about CETA. Customs Union and perpetual EU control is what she will offer. And the Commons will reject it.LordOfReason said:
If she don’t take this moment to chuck Chequers publically on that stage in front that auto queue, she’s toast.archer101au said:
Probably she will not mention Brexit or Chequers at all except in passing. If she talks about her vision of a deal she is toast. Says a lot when the PM cannot talk about the primary issue affecting the nation at her own conference.Richard_Nabavi said:
She'll get a good response, I expect.archer101au said:
If she gets booed at her own conference she might be gone tomorrow!Richard_Nabavi said:For the first time since 10pm on 8th June 2017, I beginning to think that Theresa May might stay the course as PM and party leader until the next general election in 2021 or 2022.
It’s not Boris line alone, chuck Chequers, Vince Cable said it, Farage said it, Labour Party conference said it, Salzburg said it. She cant stand by Chequers tommorow in the speech, and immediately afterwards in negotiation rooms row back on what she just said and received standing ovation for.
No. No she can’t. That’s precisely misbehaviour shredding her credibility with everyone.0 -
OT interesting take on Brett Kavanaugh in the Telegraph. ABP on an incident from the Starr investigation into Bill Clinton.
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/my-battle-brett-kavanaugh-over-truth-ambrose-evans-pritchard/
Current prices are:
3/10 Kavanaugh to be confirmed
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The secret barrister was scooped by pb's very own rpjs two threads ago.CarlottaVance said:0 -
Ambrose E-P doesn't write either clearly or concisely. His story is almost indecipherableDecrepitJohnL said:OT interesting take on Brett Kavanaugh in the Telegraph. ABP on an incident from the Starr investigation into Bill Clinton.
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/my-battle-brett-kavanaugh-over-truth-ambrose-evans-pritchard/
Current prices are:
3/10 Kavanaugh to be confirmed
21/10 not to be0 -
That Boris J is a complete piece of shit isn't in doubt but what was in the balance was the condition of the post Cameron Tory party. After the whooping and cheering we heard as he stabbed Mrs May repeatedly in the back answered it pretty definitively.0
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Not if you know,what it means, it doesn't.LordOfReason said:
I love the word defenestrate. Conjures images of pips being cut off shoulders as you have to stand there.grabcocque said:
The response will be no doubt almost "Iain Duncan Smith mere weeks before he was summarily defenestrated" levels of ovation.NickPalmer said:
I'm sure she will.Richard_Nabavi said:
She'll get a good response, I expect.archer101au said:
If she gets booed at her own conference she might be gone tomorrow!Richard_Nabavi said:For the first time since 10pm on 8th June 2017, I beginning to think that Theresa May might stay the course as PM and party leader until the next general election in 2021 or 2022.
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Both he and the Tories have quite some way to go before they measure down to Trump and his base:Roger said:That Boris J is a complete piece of shit isn't in doubt but what was in the balance was the condition of the post Cameron Tory party. After the whooping and cheering we heard as he stabbed Mrs May repeatedly in the back answered it pretty definitively.
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/donald-trump-mocks-christine-blasey-ford-testimony-make-america-great-again-rally-mississippi-landers-center-2018-10-02/
Imitating Ford, Mr. Trump added, "But I had one beer -- that's the only thing I remember." At that point the crowd erupted in cheers and applause. Mr. Trump said "a man's life is shattered," referencing Kavanaugh, and "these are really evil people."
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Summarising, Kavanaugh covered up the murder of Foster (presumably by the Clintons).Roger said:
Ambrose E-P doesn't write either clearly or concisely. His story is almost indecipherableDecrepitJohnL said:OT interesting take on Brett Kavanaugh in the Telegraph. ABP on an incident from the Starr investigation into Bill Clinton.
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/my-battle-brett-kavanaugh-over-truth-ambrose-evans-pritchard/
Current prices are:
3/10 Kavanaugh to be confirmed
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+1Ishmael_Z said:
Not if you know,what it means, it doesn't.LordOfReason said:
I love the word defenestrate. Conjures images of pips being cut off shoulders as you have to stand there.grabcocque said:
The response will be no doubt almost "Iain Duncan Smith mere weeks before he was summarily defenestrated" levels of ovation.NickPalmer said:
I'm sure she will.Richard_Nabavi said:
She'll get a good response, I expect.archer101au said:
If she gets booed at her own conference she might be gone tomorrow!Richard_Nabavi said:For the first time since 10pm on 8th June 2017, I beginning to think that Theresa May might stay the course as PM and party leader until the next general election in 2021 or 2022.
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The Shotts line will be electrified in its entirety from next year. Does that mean you have to do it again?Sunil_Prasannan said:OK, so I invaded Scotland again (second time within the last month!).
Yesterday did the Shotts line from Edinburgh to Glasgow, and today added the Gourock, Largs, and Ardrossan branches and the Troon to Kilmarnock line. Slumming it in Glasgow tonight before switching to Edinburgh tomorrow0 -
It's not always fatal.Ishmael_Z said:
Not if you know,what it means, it doesn't.LordOfReason said:
I love the word defenestrate. Conjures images of pips being cut off shoulders as you have to stand there.grabcocque said:
The response will be no doubt almost "Iain Duncan Smith mere weeks before he was summarily defenestrated" levels of ovation.NickPalmer said:
I'm sure she will.Richard_Nabavi said:
She'll get a good response, I expect.archer101au said:
If she gets booed at her own conference she might be gone tomorrow!Richard_Nabavi said:For the first time since 10pm on 8th June 2017, I beginning to think that Theresa May might stay the course as PM and party leader until the next general election in 2021 or 2022.
https://www.atlasobscura.com/places/defenestration-of-prague-window0 -
Just watched Guy Verhofstadt's speech - the one that was being looked down on on here yesterday. What he said was a lot more logical in context. It was pretty clear that he was specifically cheesed off with the Conservatives. Hard to say if he is typical of MEPS. But it isn't hard to see why it might be a common view.
Brexit was never a good idea but it didn't have to be implemented in such a ham fisted way.0 -
The lack of knowledge about modern technology in Parliament is actually rather sweet. Personally I read the comments on The Register website after the latest Government technology announcements, and have to stop myself laughing at the replies by actual experts. Having a PPE or a degree in Law or the Classics can't make a civil servant or cabinet minister an expert in something which is moving forward so fast.. Or the EU, manufacturing, house building, finance, banking and hedge funds, agriculture and fishing,....Dura_Ace said:FPT on Galileo... If you adopt the position, pour la vue de nez, that Williamson is misinformed or ignorant about everything except fireplaces you won't go far wrong.
The Falklands and Ascension Galileo facilities are "Sensor Stations". They download telemetry and relay it to the control centres. They provide NO uplink or control or localised position information. If Galileo lost access to these facilities it means there would be an area over the South Atlantic where data would not be available. As Galileo satellites have an orbital period of 14 hours and 'repeat cycle' of 10 days the black spot would only be a relatively small percentage of each satellite's cycle.
In reality, if Galileo where to be kicked out of the FI and ASI then they would probably build new Sensor Stations on the coast of Chile or Argentina (who would love to fuck us over on this matter) and Cape Verde.
Finally, while the satellite payloads are manufactured the UK they are not made by the UK government owned and directed Royal British Satellite Factory they are made by Airbus Space and Defense. So while the British government could certainly do a Putin/Mugabe style expropriation of the facility it could not stop Airbus using the intellectual property to make them elsewhere.
In conclusion, Willamson is, as usual, talking absolute shit fuelled by crass stupidity.
This theme of Galileo does reappear quite frequently in a squall of ill informed speculation. Maybe I'll write a header on it...0 -
Who cares?AndyJS said:
Question: is there a correlation between those who want a second referendum and those who supported Remain in the first one? If so, I don't know how much credence we can give to these predictions.williamglenn said:Second referendum may come soon.
https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/second-referendum-may-come-sooner-than-we-think-l2cxnpfbv
Here are some more difficult questions:
"Is there a majority in parliament for leaving the EU without a deal? No. Is there a majority for staying in the single market Norway-fashion for now? No. Is there a majority for Theresa May’s Chequers proposals? No. Is there a majority for a Canadian-style free trade agreement? No. Is there a majority for a second referendum? No. And is there a majority for calling a general election? No.
There isn’t a majority for anything."
The only answer is a People's Vote.0 -
But the isn't according to you, a majority in Parliament for a second referendum. That makes it hard to have one.logical_song said:
Who cares?AndyJS said:
Question: is there a correlation between those who want a second referendum and those who supported Remain in the first one? If so, I don't know how much credence we can give to these predictions.williamglenn said:Second referendum may come soon.
https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/second-referendum-may-come-sooner-than-we-think-l2cxnpfbv
Here are some more difficult questions:
"Is there a majority in parliament for leaving the EU without a deal? No. Is there a majority for staying in the single market Norway-fashion for now? No. Is there a majority for Theresa May’s Chequers proposals? No. Is there a majority for a Canadian-style free trade agreement? No. Is there a majority for a second referendum? No. And is there a majority for calling a general election? No.
There isn’t a majority for anything."
The only answer is a People's Vote.0 -
There is a recent book called Bluffocracy which blames the PPE degree in particular for producing politicians, civil servants and journalists adept at quickly mastering briefs well enough for debate (or last minute essays at Oxford) but with no understanding.OchEye said:
The lack of knowledge about modern technology in Parliament is actually rather sweet. Personally I read the comments on The Register website after the latest Government technology announcements, and have to stop myself laughing at the replies by actual experts. Having a PPE or a degree in Law or the Classics can't make a civil servant or cabinet minister an expert in something which is moving forward so fast.. Or the EU, manufacturing, house building, finance, banking and hedge funds, agriculture and fishing,....Dura_Ace said:FPT on Galileo... If you adopt the position, pour la vue de nez, that Williamson is misinformed or ignorant about everything except fireplaces you won't go far wrong.
The Falklands and Ascension Galileo facilities are "Sensor Stations". They download telemetry and relay it to the control centres. They provide NO uplink or control or localised position information. If Galileo lost access to these facilities it means there would be an area over the South Atlantic where data would not be available. As Galileo satellites have an orbital period of 14 hours and 'repeat cycle' of 10 days the black spot would only be a relatively small percentage of each satellite's cycle.
In reality, if Galileo where to be kicked out of the FI and ASI then they would probably build new Sensor Stations on the coast of Chile or Argentina (who would love to fuck us over on this matter) and Cape Verde.
Finally, while the satellite payloads are manufactured the UK they are not made by the UK government owned and directed Royal British Satellite Factory they are made by Airbus Space and Defense. So while the British government could certainly do a Putin/Mugabe style expropriation of the facility it could not stop Airbus using the intellectual property to make them elsewhere.
In conclusion, Willamson is, as usual, talking absolute shit fuelled by crass stupidity.
This theme of Galileo does reappear quite frequently in a squall of ill informed speculation. Maybe I'll write a header on it...
https://www.bitebackpublishing.com/books/bluffocracy0 -
Are you the guy that runs Donald’s instagram?LordOfReason said:
I don’t want to bare my Tusks, but are you cherry picking polls to buttress your spin?NickPalmer said:
You're referring to the poll after the conference that put Labour 5 points ahead?LordOfReason said:I don’t understand all this talk coming out of the Tory conference about how well Corbyn and Labour did last week. Do Tories really believe that, or is it some unfathomable mind game? Labours conference last week was a disaster, as proven by polls showing not only the electorate stopped listening, but got spooked by the wild and half baked nature of the promised revolution. What Labour proposed would need an orchard of magic money trees to prevent real pain upon the hard working households and families of Britain, the Conservative under sixteens could demolish Corbyns labour all on their own.
And yet, the donkey of a chancellor is trying to answer the questions the Labour conference set? The Labour conference only asked one question: when the writings on the wall, and the winds of change do blow, and it comes to your turn to lead, how can a party be so utterly inept as to produce a manifesto like that, And completely forego the turn at government?
Personally I didn't think it was more than a workmanlike conference - it went a certain way to suggesting that we had an agenda for government, rather than being preoccupied with nationalisation or Brexit, but there was nothing very memorable. After the conference season I expect to see level pegging return, unless May is wonderful or terrible.0 -
You need to get a sense of humour.williamglenn said:Another Brexit campaigner suffering from ennui.
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Are you a medium sized country let down by your leaders? Have you been misold PPE?DecrepitJohnL said:
There is a recent book called Bluffocracy which blames the PPE degree in particular for producing politicians, civil servants and journalists adept at quickly mastering briefs well enough for debate (or last minute essays at Oxford) but with no understanding.OchEye said:
The lack of knowledge about modern technology in Parliament is actually rather sweet. Personally I read the comments on The Register website after the latest Government technology announcements, and have to stop myself laughing at the replies by actual experts. Having a PPE or a degree in Law or the Classics can't make a civil servant or cabinet minister an expert in something which is moving forward so fast.. Or the EU, manufacturing, house building, finance, banking and hedge funds, agriculture and fishing,....Dura_Ace said:FPT on Galileo... If you adopt the position, pour la vue de nez, that Williamson is misinformed or ignorant about everything except fireplaces you won't go far wrong.
The Falklands and Ascension Galileo facilities are "Sensor Stations". They download telemetry and relay it to the control centres. They provide NO uplink or control or localised position information. If Galileo lost access to these facilities it means there would be an area over the South Atlantic where data would not be available. As Galileo satellites have an orbital period of 14 hours and 'repeat cycle' of 10 days the black spot would only be a relatively small percentage of each satellite's cycle.
In reality, if Galileo where to be kicked out of the FI and ASI then they would probably build new Sensor Stations on the coast of Chile or Argentina (who would love to fuck us over on this matter) and Cape Verde.
Finally, while the satellite payloads are manufactured the UK they are not made by the UK government owned and directed Royal British Satellite Factory they are made by Airbus Space and Defense. So while the British government could certainly do a Putin/Mugabe style expropriation of the facility it could not stop Airbus using the intellectual property to make them elsewhere.
In conclusion, Willamson is, as usual, talking absolute shit fuelled by crass stupidity.
This theme of Galileo does reappear quite frequently in a squall of ill informed speculation. Maybe I'll write a header on it...
https://www.bitebackpublishing.com/books/bluffocracy0 -
Andf her behaviour up to now leads you to think that's impossible because...?LordOfReason said:
If she don’t take this moment to chuck Chequers publically on that stage in front that auto queue, she’s toast.
It’s not Boris line alone, chuck Chequers, Vince Cable said it, Farage said it, Labour Party conference said it, Salzburg said it. She cant stand by Chequers tommorow in the speech, and immediately afterwards in negotiation rooms row back on what she just said and received standing ovation for.
No. No she can’t. That’s precisely misbehaviour shredding her credibility with everyone.0 -
Again, with weary patience, there does not have to be a majority in Parliament for leaving with no deal. It happens by default next March unless we sign a deal or agree with the EU that we can withdraw article 50.logical_song said:
Who cares?AndyJS said:
Question: is there a correlation between those who want a second referendum and those who supported Remain in the first one? If so, I don't know how much credence we can give to these predictions.williamglenn said:Second referendum may come soon.
https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/second-referendum-may-come-sooner-than-we-think-l2cxnpfbv
Here are some more difficult questions:
"Is there a majority in parliament for leaving the EU without a deal? No. Is there a majority for staying in the single market Norway-fashion for now? No. Is there a majority for Theresa May’s Chequers proposals? No. Is there a majority for a Canadian-style free trade agreement? No. Is there a majority for a second referendum? No. And is there a majority for calling a general election? No.
There isn’t a majority for anything."
The only answer is a People's Vote.
People who argue otherwise increasingly remind me of Cnut the Great.0 -
It was a quote from Daniel Finkelstein's article (hence the "quote" marks).philiph said:
But the isn't according to you, a majority in Parliament for a second referendum. That makes it hard to have one.logical_song said:
Who cares?AndyJS said:
Question: is there a correlation between those who want a second referendum and those who supported Remain in the first one? If so, I don't know how much credence we can give to these predictions.williamglenn said:Second referendum may come soon.
https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/second-referendum-may-come-sooner-than-we-think-l2cxnpfbv
Here are some more difficult questions:
"Is there a majority in parliament for leaving the EU without a deal? No. Is there a majority for staying in the single market Norway-fashion for now? No. Is there a majority for Theresa May’s Chequers proposals? No. Is there a majority for a Canadian-style free trade agreement? No. Is there a majority for a second referendum? No. And is there a majority for calling a general election? No.
There isn’t a majority for anything."
The only answer is a People's Vote.
It's generally recognised by all but the lunatic fringe that No Deal is simply unacceptable and yet is becoming the default if nothing else is agreed.
A People's Vote is a way out, maybe the only way out of this mess.0 -
Good morning, everyone.
Mr. Doethur, bit harsh on Canute, who was showing he knew the limits of his power.
A second referendum remains possible, but, as you suggest, it does require A Thing to occur. Without that, we leave by default.0 -
My takeaway from that is that the UK is a significant contributor to Galileo and if it were no longer part of the programme it would cause significant inconvenience to the EU.Dura_Ace said:FPT on Galileo... If you adopt the position, pour la vue de nez, that Williamson is misinformed or ignorant about everything except fireplaces you won't go far wrong.
The Falklands and Ascension Galileo facilities are "Sensor Stations". They download telemetry and relay it to the control centres. They provide NO uplink or control or localised position information. If Galileo lost access to these facilities it means there would be an area over the South Atlantic where data would not be available. As Galileo satellites have an orbital period of 14 hours and 'repeat cycle' of 10 days the black spot would only be a relatively small percentage of each satellite's cycle.
In reality, if Galileo where to be kicked out of the FI and ASI then they would probably build new Sensor Stations on the coast of Chile or Argentina (who would love to fuck us over on this matter) and Cape Verde.
Finally, while the satellite payloads are manufactured the UK they are not made by the UK government owned and directed Royal British Satellite Factory they are made by Airbus Space and Defense. So while the British government could certainly do a Putin/Mugabe style expropriation of the facility it could not stop Airbus using the intellectual property to make them elsewhere.
In conclusion, Willamson is, as usual, talking absolute shit fuelled by crass stupidity.
This theme of Galileo does reappear quite frequently in a squall of ill informed speculation. Maybe I'll write a header on it...
Meanwhile, we have the technology, resources and expertise to do it ourselves as well.0 -
Yes, but I thought the comparison would tide us over and be something even those least informed about the realities of the situation could grasp.Morris_Dancer said:Good morning, everyone.
Mr. Doethur, bit harsh on Canute, who was showing he knew the limits of his power.
A second referendum remains possible, but, as you suggest, it does require A Thing to occur. Without that, we leave by default.0 -
Anyone think the conference is going well for the tories? It seems like a car crash in slow motion.0
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We have no need of experts. The great English tradition of bumbling amateurism continues.DecrepitJohnL said:
There is a recent book called Bluffocracy which blames the PPE degree in particular for producing politicians, civil servants and journalists adept at quickly mastering briefs well enough for debate (or last minute essays at Oxford) but with no understanding.OchEye said:
The lack of knowledge about modern technology in Parliament is actually rather sweet. Personally I read the comments on The Register website after the latest Government technology announcements, and have to stop myself laughing at the replies by actual experts. Having a PPE or a degree in Law or the Classics can't make a civil servant or cabinet minister an expert in something which is moving forward so fast.. Or the EU, manufacturing, house building, finance, banking and hedge funds, agriculture and fishing,....Dura_Ace said:FPT on Galileo... If you adopt the position, pour la vue de nez, that Williamson is misinformed or ignorant about everything except fireplaces you won't go far wrong.
The Falklands and Ascension Galileo facilities are "Sensor Stations". They download telemetry and relay it to the control centres. They provide NO uplink or control or localised position information. If Galileo lost access to these facilities it means there would be an area over the South Atlantic where data would not be available. As Galileo satellites have an orbital period of 14 hours and 'repeat cycle' of 10 days the black spot would only be a relatively small percentage of each satellite's cycle.
In reality, if Galileo where to be kicked out of the FI and ASI then they would probably build new Sensor Stations on the coast of Chile or Argentina (who would love to fuck us over on this matter) and Cape Verde.
Finally, while the satellite payloads are manufactured the UK they are not made by the UK government owned and directed Royal British Satellite Factory they are made by Airbus Space and Defense. So while the British government could certainly do a Putin/Mugabe style expropriation of the facility it could not stop Airbus using the intellectual property to make them elsewhere.
In conclusion, Willamson is, as usual, talking absolute shit fuelled by crass stupidity.
This theme of Galileo does reappear quite frequently in a squall of ill informed speculation. Maybe I'll write a header on it...
https://www.bitebackpublishing.com/books/bluffocracy0 -
How will we get satellites into space? Will Boris fart them up there from our new outer hebredies space port.Casino_Royale said:
My takeaway from that is that the UK is a significant contributor to Galileo and if it were no longer part of the programme it would cause significant inconvenience to the EU.Dura_Ace said:FPT on Galileo... If you adopt the position, pour la vue de nez, that Williamson is misinformed or ignorant about everything except fireplaces you won't go far wrong.
The Falklands and Ascension Galileo facilities are "Sensor Stations". They download telemetry and relay it to the control centres. They provide NO uplink or control or localised position information. If Galileo lost access to these facilities it means there would be an area over the South Atlantic where data would not be available. As Galileo satellites have an orbital period of 14 hours and 'repeat cycle' of 10 days the black spot would only be a relatively small percentage of each satellite's cycle.
In reality, if Galileo where to be kicked out of the FI and ASI then they would probably build new Sensor Stations on the coast of Chile or Argentina (who would love to fuck us over on this matter) and Cape Verde.
Finally, while the satellite payloads are manufactured the UK they are not made by the UK government owned and directed Royal British Satellite Factory they are made by Airbus Space and Defense. So while the British government could certainly do a Putin/Mugabe style expropriation of the facility it could not stop Airbus using the intellectual property to make them elsewhere.
In conclusion, Willamson is, as usual, talking absolute shit fuelled by crass stupidity.
This theme of Galileo does reappear quite frequently in a squall of ill informed speculation. Maybe I'll write a header on it...
Meanwhile, we have the technology, resources and expertise to do it ourselves as well.
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Ah, you've met my GP?Foxy said:
We have no need of experts. The great English tradition of bumbling amateurism continues.DecrepitJohnL said:
There is a recent book called Bluffocracy which blames the PPE degree in particular for producing politicians, civil servants and journalists adept at quickly mastering briefs well enough for debate (or last minute essays at Oxford) but with no understanding.OchEye said:
The lack of knowledge about modern technology in Parliament is actually rather sweet. Personally I read the comments on The Register website after the latest Government technology announcements, and have to stop myself laughing at the replies by actual experts. Having a PPE or a degree in Law or the Classics can't make a civil servant or cabinet minister an expert in something which is moving forward so fast.. Or the EU, manufacturing, house building, finance, banking and hedge funds, agriculture and fishing,....Dura_Ace said:FPT on Galileo... If you adopt the position, pour la vue de nez, that Williamson is misinformed or ignorant about everything except fireplaces you won't go far wrong.
The Falklands and Ascension Galileo facilities are "Sensor Stations". They download telemetry and relay it to the control centres. They provide NO uplink or control or localised position information. If Galileo lost access to these facilities it means there would be an area over the South Atlantic where data would not be available. As Galileo satellites have an orbital period of 14 hours and 'repeat cycle' of 10 days the black spot would only be a relatively small percentage of each satellite's cycle.
In reality, if Galileo where to be kicked out of the FI and ASI then they would probably build new Sensor Stations on the coast of Chile or Argentina (who would love to fuck us over on this matter) and Cape Verde.
Finally, while the satellite payloads are manufactured the UK they are not made by the UK government owned and directed Royal British Satellite Factory they are made by Airbus Space and Defense. So while the British government could certainly do a Putin/Mugabe style expropriation of the facility it could not stop Airbus using the intellectual property to make them elsewhere.
In conclusion, Willamson is, as usual, talking absolute shit fuelled by crass stupidity.
This theme of Galileo does reappear quite frequently in a squall of ill informed speculation. Maybe I'll write a header on it...
https://www.bitebackpublishing.com/books/bluffocracy0 -
Surely, May's speech will be a step up from last year?hamiltonace said:Anyone think the conference is going well for the tories? It seems like a car crash in slow motion.
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This is why I said we shouldn't pay much attention to polls putting them ahead after Labour's epochal shambles.hamiltonace said:Anyone think the conference is going well for the tories? It seems like a car crash in slow motion.
Mind you, I don't think it's been quite as bad as that so far. Hunt has been maladroit and Boris Boris, but at least nobody has been threatening violence or the overthrow of the government by force.
That said, when the best I can come up with is that they're not as bad as a bunch of murderous racists, homophobes and cretins, things are pretty bad.0 -
Other launch facilities are available, in the US and Russia/Kazakhstan. I shouldn’t be too surprised if the Chinese and Indians get into the commercial launch game before to long, if they haven’t already.Jonathan said:
How will we get satellites into space? Will Boris fart them up there from our new outer hebredies space port.Casino_Royale said:
My takeaway from that is that the UK is a significant contributor to Galileo and if it were no longer part of the programme it would cause significant inconvenience to the EU.Dura_Ace said:FPT on Galileo... If you adopt the position, pour la vue de nez, that Williamson is misinformed or ignorant about everything except fireplaces you won't go far wrong.
The Falklands and Ascension Galileo facilities are "Sensor Stations". They download telemetry and relay it to the control centres. They provide NO uplink or control or localised position information. If Galileo lost access to these facilities it means there would be an area over the South Atlantic where data would not be available. As Galileo satellites have an orbital period of 14 hours and 'repeat cycle' of 10 days the black spot would only be a relatively small percentage of each satellite's cycle.
In reality, if Galileo where to be kicked out of the FI and ASI then they would probably build new Sensor Stations on the coast of Chile or Argentina (who would love to fuck us over on this matter) and Cape Verde.
Finally, while the satellite payloads are manufactured the UK they are not made by the UK government owned and directed Royal British Satellite Factory they are made by Airbus Space and Defense. So while the British government could certainly do a Putin/Mugabe style expropriation of the facility it could not stop Airbus using the intellectual property to make them elsewhere.
In conclusion, Willamson is, as usual, talking absolute shit fuelled by crass stupidity.
This theme of Galileo does reappear quite frequently in a squall of ill informed speculation. Maybe I'll write a header on it...
Meanwhile, we have the technology, resources and expertise to do it ourselves as well.0 -
Defenestration is a good word. I’ve been doing a “word of the week” segment with my registration form and that will be a good one to add to the list. I’ve also been to Prague and went on a side tip to see the window.logical_song said:
It's not always fatal.Ishmael_Z said:
Not if you know,what it means, it doesn't.LordOfReason said:
I love the word defenestrate. Conjures images of pips being cut off shoulders as you have to stand there.grabcocque said:
The response will be no doubt almost "Iain Duncan Smith mere weeks before he was summarily defenestrated" levels of ovation.NickPalmer said:
I'm sure she will.Richard_Nabavi said:
She'll get a good response, I expect.archer101au said:
If she gets booed at her own conference she might be gone tomorrow!Richard_Nabavi said:For the first time since 10pm on 8th June 2017, I beginning to think that Theresa May might stay the course as PM and party leader until the next general election in 2021 or 2022.
https://www.atlasobscura.com/places/defenestration-of-prague-window
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I am still not sure how you could implement a hard brexit in Scotland without sending the army in. In effect England would need to invade Scotland. I cannot see the SNP complying with orders to put up borders0
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With all its faults, the EU has at least some democratic remnants and some reason not to hate us. I'm not sure I would say both of those for any of the others...rpjs said:
Other launch facilities are available, in the US and Russia/Kazakhstan. I shouldn’t be too surprised if the Chinese and Indians get into the commercial launch game before to long, if they haven’t already.Jonathan said:
How will we get satellites into space? Will Boris fart them up there from our new outer hebredies space port.Casino_Royale said:
My takeaway from that is that the UK is a significant contributor to Galileo and if it were no longer part of the programme it would cause significant inconvenience to the EU.Dura_Ace said:FPT on Galileo... If you adopt the position, pour la vue de nez, that Williamson is misinformed or ignorant about everything except fireplaces you won't go far wrong.
The Falklands and Ascension Galileo facilities are "Sensor Stations". They download telemetry and relay it to the control centres. They provide NO uplink or control or localised position information. If Galileo lost access to these facilities it means there would be an area over the South Atlantic where data would not be available. As Galileo satellites have an orbital period of 14 hours and 'repeat cycle' of 10 days the black spot would only be a relatively small percentage of each satellite's cycle.
In reality, if Galileo where to be kicked out of the FI and ASI then they would probably build new Sensor Stations on the coast of Chile or Argentina (who would love to fuck us over on this matter) and Cape Verde.
Finally, while the satellite payloads are manufactured the UK they are not made by the UK government owned and directed Royal British Satellite Factory they are made by Airbus Space and Defense. So while the British government could certainly do a Putin/Mugabe style expropriation of the facility it could not stop Airbus using the intellectual property to make them elsewhere.
In conclusion, Willamson is, as usual, talking absolute shit fuelled by crass stupidity.
This theme of Galileo does reappear quite frequently in a squall of ill informed speculation. Maybe I'll write a header on it...
Meanwhile, we have the technology, resources and expertise to do it ourselves as well.0 -
It requires a delay/postponement as the first step. As indeed may well an orderly departure.Morris_Dancer said:Good morning, everyone.
Mr. Doethur, bit harsh on Canute, who was showing he knew the limits of his power.
A second referendum remains possible, but, as you suggest, it does require A Thing to occur. Without that, we leave by default.
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well you would say that wouldn't youhamiltonace said:Anyone think the conference is going well for the tories? It seems like a car crash in slow motion.
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Really? I can, very easily. As long as the border is between England and Scotland of course, but Scotland has no other borders so there are no other possible issues.hamiltonace said:I am still not sure how you could implement a hard brexit in Scotland without sending the army in. In effect England would need to invade Scotland. I cannot see the SNP complying with orders to put up borders
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Worth remembering that Trump is the man the buccaneering Brexiteers are putting all their faith in. Their hard right English nationalism is pretty much the same as the nationalism he stands for. What Trump is, Rees Mogg, Johnson, Davis and co are too.Nigelb said:
Both he and the Tories have quite some way to go before they measure down to Trump and his base:Roger said:That Boris J is a complete piece of shit isn't in doubt but what was in the balance was the condition of the post Cameron Tory party. After the whooping and cheering we heard as he stabbed Mrs May repeatedly in the back answered it pretty definitively.
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/donald-trump-mocks-christine-blasey-ford-testimony-make-america-great-again-rally-mississippi-landers-center-2018-10-02/
Imitating Ford, Mr. Trump added, "But I had one beer -- that's the only thing I remember." At that point the crowd erupted in cheers and applause. Mr. Trump said "a man's life is shattered," referencing Kavanaugh, and "these are really evil people."
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Belzebub has a devil put aside...
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And I thought my puns were bad. 'Side tip,' indeed!Fysics_Teacher said:
Defenestration is a good word. I’ve been doing a “word of the week” segment with my registration form and that will be a good one to add to the list. I’ve also been to Prague and went on a side tip to see the window.logical_song said:
It's not always fatal.Ishmael_Z said:
Not if you know,what it means, it doesn't.LordOfReason said:
I love the word defenestrate. Conjures images of pips being cut off shoulders as you have to stand there.grabcocque said:
The response will be no doubt almost "Iain Duncan Smith mere weeks before he was summarily defenestrated" levels of ovation.NickPalmer said:
I'm sure she will.Richard_Nabavi said:
She'll get a good response, I expect.archer101au said:
If she gets booed at her own conference she might be gone tomorrow!Richard_Nabavi said:For the first time since 10pm on 8th June 2017, I beginning to think that Theresa May might stay the course as PM and party leader until the next general election in 2021 or 2022.
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Going cap in hand to Trump or Putin doesn’t feel like taking back (ground) control.rpjs said:
Other launch facilities are available, in the US and Russia/Kazakhstan. I shouldn’t be too surprised if the Chinese and Indians get into the commercial launch game before to long, if they haven’t already.Jonathan said:
How will we get satellites into space? Will Boris fart them up there from our new outer hebredies space port.Casino_Royale said:
My takeaway from that is that the UK is a significant contributor to Galileo and if it were no longer part of the programme it would cause significant inconvenience to the EU.Dura_Ace said:FPT on Galileo... If you adopt the position, pour la vue de nez, that Williamson is misinformed or ignorant about everything except fireplaces you won't go far wrong.
The Falklands and Ascension Galileo facilities are "Sensor Stations". They download telemetry and relay it to the control centres. They provide NO uplink or control or localised position information. If Galileo lost access to these facilities it means there would be an area over the South Atlantic where data would not be available. As Galileo satellites have an orbital period of 14 hours and 'repeat cycle' of 10 days the black spot would only be a relatively small percentage of each satellite's cycle.
In reality, if Galileo where to be kicked out of the FI and ASI then they would probably build new Sensor Stations on the coast of Chile or Argentina (who would love to fuck us over on this matter) and Cape Verde.
Finally, while the satellite payloads are manufactured the UK they are not made by the UK government owned and directed Royal British Satellite Factory they are made by Airbus Space and Defense. So while the British government could certainly do a Putin/Mugabe style expropriation of the facility it could not stop Airbus using the intellectual property to make them elsewhere.
In conclusion, Willamson is, as usual, talking absolute shit fuelled by crass stupidity.
This theme of Galileo does reappear quite frequently in a squall of ill informed speculation. Maybe I'll write a header on it...
Meanwhile, we have the technology, resources and expertise to do it ourselves as well.
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That began with a referendum allowing people wanting all sorts of contradictory things to vote for the same proposition. After that there was no way out for the lucky politician who got to implement it.Recidivist said:Just watched Guy Verhofstadt's speech - the one that was being looked down on on here yesterday. What he said was a lot more logical in context. It was pretty clear that he was specifically cheesed off with the Conservatives. Hard to say if he is typical of MEPS. But it isn't hard to see why it might be a common view.
Brexit was never a good idea but it didn't have to be implemented in such a ham fisted way.0 -
It would have been even better as a trip of course...ydoethur said:
And I thought my puns were bad. 'Side tip,' indeed!Fysics_Teacher said:
Defenestration is a good word. I’ve been doing a “word of the week” segment with my registration form and that will be a good one to add to the list. I’ve also been to Prague and went on a side tip to see the window.logical_song said:
It's not always fatal.Ishmael_Z said:
Not if you know,what it means, it doesn't.LordOfReason said:
I love the word defenestrate. Conjures images of pips being cut off shoulders as you have to stand there.grabcocque said:
The response will be no doubt almost "Iain Duncan Smith mere weeks before he was summarily defenestrated" levels of ovation.NickPalmer said:
I'm sure she will.Richard_Nabavi said:
She'll get a good response, I expect.archer101au said:
If she gets booed at her own conference she might be gone tomorrow!Richard_Nabavi said:For the first time since 10pm on 8th June 2017, I beginning to think that Theresa May might stay the course as PM and party leader until the next general election in 2021 or 2022.
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They pretty much are a bunch of murderous racists, homophobes and cretins, too. The Tories provide succour to anti-Semites and stand shoulder to shoulder with oppressive, murderous regimes, just as the labour party does. It's just that they choose different bigots and xenophobes to hang out with. Our country's reputation and its long-term standing are being destroyed by both the left and right.ydoethur said:
This is why I said we shouldn't pay much attention to polls putting them ahead after Labour's epochal shambles.hamiltonace said:Anyone think the conference is going well for the tories? It seems like a car crash in slow motion.
Mind you, I don't think it's been quite as bad as that so far. Hunt has been maladroit and Boris Boris, but at least nobody has been threatening violence or the overthrow of the government by force.
That said, when the best I can come up with is that they're not as bad as a bunch of murderous racists, homophobes and cretins, things are pretty bad.
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I thought we were building a space port in Scotland?Jonathan said:
Going cap in hand to Trump or Putin doesn’t feel like taking back (ground) control.rpjs said:
Other launch facilities are available, in the US and Russia/Kazakhstan. I shouldn’t be too surprised if the Chinese and Indians get into the commercial launch game before to long, if they haven’t already.Jonathan said:
How will we get satellites into space? Will Boris fart them up there from our new outer hebredies space port.Casino_Royale said:
My takeaway from that is that the UK is a significant contributor to Galileo and if it were no longer part of the programme it would cause significant inconvenience to the EU.Dura_Ace said:FPT on Galileo... If you adopt the position, pour la vue de nez, that Williamson is misinformed or ignorant about everything except fireplaces you won't go far wrong.
The Falklands and Ascension Galileo facilities are "Sensor Stations". They download telemetry and relay it to the control centres. They provide NO uplink or control or localised position information. If Galileo lost access to these facilities it means there would be an area over the South Atlantic where data would not be available. As Galileo satellites have an orbital period of 14 hours and 'repeat cycle' of 10 days the black spot would only be a relatively small percentage of each satellite's cycle.
In reality, if Galileo where to be kicked out of the FI and ASI then they would probably build new Sensor Stations on the coast of Chile or Argentina (who would love to fuck us over on this matter) and Cape Verde.
Finally, while the satellite payloads are manufactured the UK they are not made by the UK government owned and directed Royal British Satellite Factory they are made by Airbus Space and Defense. So while the British government could certainly do a Putin/Mugabe style expropriation of the facility it could not stop Airbus using the intellectual property to make them elsewhere.
In conclusion, Willamson is, as usual, talking absolute shit fuelled by crass stupidity.
This theme of Galileo does reappear quite frequently in a squall of ill informed speculation. Maybe I'll write a header on it...
Meanwhile, we have the technology, resources and expertise to do it ourselves as well.0 -
At a push, I suppose...Fysics_Teacher said:
It would have been even better as a trip of course...ydoethur said:
And I thought my puns were bad. 'Side tip,' indeed!Fysics_Teacher said:
Defenestration is a good word. I’ve been doing a “word of the week” segment with my registration form and that will be a good one to add to the list. I’ve also been to Prague and went on a side tip to see the window.logical_song said:
It's not always fatal.Ishmael_Z said:
Not if you know,what it means, it doesn't.LordOfReason said:
I love the word defenestrate. Conjures images of pips being cut off shoulders as you have to stand there.grabcocque said:
The response will be no doubt almost "Iain Duncan Smith mere weeks before he was summarily defenestrated" levels of ovation.NickPalmer said:
I'm sure she will.Richard_Nabavi said:
She'll get a good response, I expect.archer101au said:
If she gets booed at her own conference she might be gone tomorrow!Richard_Nabavi said:For the first time since 10pm on 8th June 2017, I beginning to think that Theresa May might stay the course as PM and party leader until the next general election in 2021 or 2022.
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The Tories support such people, and are rightly condemned for it.SouthamObserver said:
They pretty much are a bunch of murderous racists, homophobes and cretins, too. The Tories provide succour to anti-Semites and stand shoulder to shoulder with oppressive, murderous regimes, just as the labour party does. It's just that they choose different bigots and xenophobes to hang out with. Our country's reputation and its long-term standing are being destroyed by both the left and right.ydoethur said:
This is why I said we shouldn't pay much attention to polls putting them ahead after Labour's epochal shambles.hamiltonace said:Anyone think the conference is going well for the tories? It seems like a car crash in slow motion.
Mind you, I don't think it's been quite as bad as that so far. Hunt has been maladroit and Boris Boris, but at least nobody has been threatening violence or the overthrow of the government by force.
That said, when the best I can come up with is that they're not as bad as a bunch of murderous racists, homophobes and cretins, things are pretty bad.
Labour are such people.
There is a difference. Admittedly it may seem like the difference between being thrown to a shark and thrown into a piranha tank.0 -
Defenestration could be a pane.ydoethur said:
At a push, I suppose...Fysics_Teacher said:
It would have been even better as a trip of course...ydoethur said:
And I thought my puns were bad. 'Side tip,' indeed!Fysics_Teacher said:
Defenestration is a good word. I’ve been doing a “word of the week” segment with my registration form and that will be a good one to add to the list. I’ve also been to Prague and went on a side tip to see the window.logical_song said:
It's not always fatal.Ishmael_Z said:
Not if you know,what it means, it doesn't.LordOfReason said:
I love the word defenestrate. Conjures images of pips being cut off shoulders as you have to stand there.grabcocque said:
The response will be no doubt almost "Iain Duncan Smith mere weeks before he was summarily defenestrated" levels of ovation.NickPalmer said:
I'm sure she will.Richard_Nabavi said:
She'll get a good response, I expect.archer101au said:
If she gets booed at her own conference she might be gone tomorrow!Richard_Nabavi said:For the first time since 10pm on 8th June 2017, I beginning to think that Theresa May might stay the course as PM and party leader until the next general election in 2021 or 2022.
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DecrepitJohnL said:
The secret barrister was scooped by pb's very own rpjs two threads ago.CarlottaVance said:
fx:bows. (I just looked it up on Wikipedia then verified with legislation.gov.uk - doesn’t Boris have people to do this sort of thing for him?)0 -
It's the membership's desperation to vote for Boris or JRM in the face of all logic or common sense that is Mrs May's best friend. That alone ensures that most of their fountain pens remain empty.rcs1000 said:
They could.archer101au said:
You are right but if someone had enough letters there is nothing to stop them ‘standing’ against May in the VONC. They can say that they are challenging her at that stage. So in theory Boris (or someone else) can get a group of letters, announce he is standing against May and trigger the vote. It would change the dynamic. I don’t expect it to happen like that but it could.Big_G_NorthWales said:
You really do not know our system. I have explained it to youWulfrun_Phil said:
By waiting. Wait for a few more weeks for May's Chequers offer to completely unravel in the face of EU political intransigence. Then let the letters go in. And then wait a bit longer in the hope that another challenger throws their hat in the ring to challenge May first, before he does so himself.SeanT said:Boris is closer to being PM, right now, than at any point in his career. But how does he seize the crown?
If TM lost a vnoc she would stand down and a full leadership contest would take place with at least 6 -8 candidates, one of course would be Boris. Televised hustings would take place and then a vote is taken by all conservative mps to put two of the candidates to the members. At present Boris has annoyed so many of his fellow colleagues it is doubtful he would get in the final two. However, if he did it is more than likely he would win
The whole process would take 2 - 3 months and I would expect TM to be a caretaker pending the appointment of her successor.
I hope that you accept that as a membership I do know the process
But the impact of doing so would be to make it a de facto choice between Theresa May and said challenger. So, if JRM or Johnson were to "challenge" Theresa May, then it would likely cause those on the pro-EU side of the party to back her.
One third of the parliamentary Conservative Party would like someone more Eurosceptic than TM. One third would like someone more conciliatory to the EU. And one third just wants to get Brexit behind us as soon as possible. (And also realises that Britain's relationship with the EU will evolve over the next decade in any case.)0 -
No cap in hand required, just cold, hard cash. Space launch is a commodity now.Jonathan said:
Going cap in hand to Trump or Putin doesn’t feel like taking back (ground) control.rpjs said:
Other launch facilities are available, in the US and Russia/Kazakhstan. I shouldn’t be too surprised if the Chinese and Indians get into the commercial launch game before to long, if they haven’t already.Jonathan said:
How will we get satellites into space? Will Boris fart them up there from our new outer hebredies space port.Casino_Royale said:
My takeaway from that is that the UK is a significant contributor to Galileo and if it were no longer part of the programme it would cause significant inconvenience to the EU.Dura_Ace said:FPT on Galileo... If you adopt the position, pour la vue de nez, that Williamson is misinformed or ignorant about everything except fireplaces you won't go far wrong.
The Falklands and Ascension Galileo facilities are "Sensor Stations". They download telemetry and relay it to the control centres. They provide NO uplink or control or localised position information. If Galileo lost access to these facilities it means there would be an area over the South Atlantic where data would not be available. As Galileo satellites have an orbital period of 14 hours and 'repeat cycle' of 10 days the black spot would only be a relatively small percentage of each satellite's cycle.
In reality, if Galileo where to be kicked out of the FI and ASI then they would probably build new Sensor Stations on the coast of Chile or Argentina (who would love to fuck us over on this matter) and Cape Verde.
Finally, while the satellite payloads are manufactured the UK they are not made by the UK government owned and directed Royal British Satellite Factory they are made by Airbus Space and Defense. So while the British government could certainly do a Putin/Mugabe style expropriation of the facility it could not stop Airbus using the intellectual property to make them elsewhere.
In conclusion, Willamson is, as usual, talking absolute shit fuelled by crass stupidity.
This theme of Galileo does reappear quite frequently in a squall of ill informed speculation. Maybe I'll write a header on it...
Meanwhile, we have the technology, resources and expertise to do it ourselves as well.0 -
All these puns. I'm in danger of being pushed out of the frame...Foxy said:
Defenestration could be a pane.ydoethur said:
At a push, I suppose...Fysics_Teacher said:
It would have been even better as a trip of course...ydoethur said:
And I thought my puns were bad. 'Side tip,' indeed!Fysics_Teacher said:
Defenestration is a good word. I’ve been doing a “word of the week” segment with my registration form and that will be a good one to add to the list. I’ve also been to Prague and went on a side tip to see the window.logical_song said:
It's not always fatal.Ishmael_Z said:
Not if you know,what it means, it doesn't.LordOfReason said:
I love the word defenestrate. Conjures images of pips being cut off shoulders as you have to stand there.grabcocque said:
The response will be no doubt almost "Iain Duncan Smith mere weeks before he was summarily defenestrated" levels of ovation.NickPalmer said:
I'm sure she will.Richard_Nabavi said:
She'll get a good response, I expect.archer101au said:
If she gets booed at her own conference she might be gone tomorrow!Richard_Nabavi said:For the first time since 10pm on 8th June 2017, I beginning to think that Theresa May might stay the course as PM and party leader until the next general election in 2021 or 2022.
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That's about right for variable values of 'significant'.Casino_Royale said:
My takeaway from that is that the UK is a significant contributor to Galileo and if it were no longer part of the programme it would cause significant inconvenience to the EU.0 -
It is why Blind Brexit looks most likely, with the Withdrawal Agreement getting parliamentary approval and nothing further being agreed or going to a parliamentary vote. We can then have another couple of years arguing what it all means.IanB2 said:
It requires a delay/postponement as the first step. As indeed may well an orderly departure.Morris_Dancer said:Good morning, everyone.
Mr. Doethur, bit harsh on Canute, who was showing he knew the limits of his power.
A second referendum remains possible, but, as you suggest, it does require A Thing to occur. Without that, we leave by default.
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I do use the occasional bad pun for teaching, but unless you need to know the difference between Fleming’s Left Hand Rule and his Right Hand Rule they are not much use.ydoethur said:
At a push, I suppose...Fysics_Teacher said:
It would have been even better as a trip of course...ydoethur said:
And I thought my puns were bad. 'Side tip,' indeed!Fysics_Teacher said:
Defenestration is a good word. I’ve been doing a “word of the week” segment with my registration form and that will be a good one to add to the list. I’ve also been to Prague and went on a side tip to see the window.logical_song said:
It's not always fatal.Ishmael_Z said:
Not if you know,what it means, it doesn't.LordOfReason said:
I love the word defenestrate. Conjures images of pips being cut off shoulders as you have to stand there.grabcocque said:
The response will be no doubt almost "Iain Duncan Smith mere weeks before he was summarily defenestrated" levels of ovation.NickPalmer said:
I'm sure she will.Richard_Nabavi said:
She'll get a good response, I expect.archer101au said:
If she gets booed at her own conference she might be gone tomorrow!Richard_Nabavi said:For the first time since 10pm on 8th June 2017, I beginning to think that Theresa May might stay the course as PM and party leader until the next general election in 2021 or 2022.
https://www.atlasobscura.com/places/defenestration-of-prague-window
On topic: if Boris gets to be leader of the Coservative party and almost anybody but Corbyn leads Labour, then I will not be voting Tory at the next election for the first time in my life.0 -
The theme of this conference was supposed to be opportunity. A pretty vacuous word at best but what has any minister said that is relevant to it?
Where are the announcements of the extension of homework clubs, pupil premiums and incentivisation of teachers to go to "difficult" schools, what has been said (other than by Boris) about the difficulties with housing, with the unfairness of student grants, with funding social care, etc etc? Where is this opportunity that they speak of?
I confess I have not been glued to the Conference, it is entirely possible that I have missed something but the 2 announcements I have picked up on are (a) waiters get to keep their tips and (b) EU citizens in the future will be treated the same as applicants from the rest of the world. (b) is obviously subject to the terms of deal with the EU so it doesn't exactly leave a program for government does it?
One of May's most serious failings as a leader (definitely top 3) is that she thinks the job of government is to keep buggering on through difficult circumstances without wasting too much time wondering where they are going and why. No doubt she will unveil a vision of a shining city on a hill at 10am today...0 -
Culture war fans might enjoy some of the batshit insane millennial PC tosh that three people managed to get published:
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Only good for polar orbits though, although I have a feeling GPS/Galileo/GLONASS satellites are in very highly-inclined orbits anyway. In any case, I expect the biggest obstacle to building a British Galileo (Newton?) system will be establishing the ground station network. Perhaps Pitcairn Island will prove useful at last.Fysics_Teacher said:
I thought we were building a space port in Scotland?Jonathan said:
Going cap in hand to Trump or Putin doesn’t feel like taking back (ground) control.rpjs said:
Other launch facilities are available, in the US and Russia/Kazakhstan. I shouldn’t be too surprised if the Chinese and Indians get into the commercial launch game before to long, if they haven’t already.Jonathan said:
How will we get satellites into space? Will Boris fart them up there from our new outer hebredies space port.Casino_Royale said:
My takeaway from that is that the UK is a significant contributor to Galileo and if it were no longer part of the programme it would cause significant inconvenience to the EU.Dura_Ace said:FPT on Galileo... If you adopt the position, pour la vue de nez, that Williamson is misinformed or ignorant about everything except fireplaces you won't go far wrong.
The Falklands and Ascension Galileo facilities are "Sensor Stations". They download telemetry and relay it to the control centres. They provide NO uplink or control or localised position information. If Galileo lost access to these facilities it means there would be an area over the South Atlantic where data would not be available. As Galileo satellites have an orbital period of 14 hours and 'repeat cycle' of 10 days the black spot would only be a relatively small percentage of each satellite's cycle.
In reality, if Galileo where to be kicked out of the FI and ASI then they would probably build new Sensor Stations on the coast of Chile or Argentina (who would love to fuck us over on this matter) and Cape Verde.
Finally, while the satellite payloads are manufactured the UK they are not made by the UK government owned and directed Royal British Satellite Factory they are made by Airbus Space and Defense. So while the British government could certainly do a Putin/Mugabe style expropriation of the facility it could not stop Airbus using the intellectual property to make them elsewhere.
In conclusion, Willamson is, as usual, talking absolute shit fuelled by crass stupidity.
This theme of Galileo does reappear quite frequently in a squall of ill informed speculation. Maybe I'll write a header on it...
Meanwhile, we have the technology, resources and expertise to do it ourselves as well.0 -
The Scots have an escape path from the hard right English nationalist right that will be controlling my country for the foreseeable future. I envy them greatly.hamiltonace said:I am still not sure how you could implement a hard brexit in Scotland without sending the army in. In effect England would need to invade Scotland. I cannot see the SNP complying with orders to put up borders
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