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Just because a lot of people say something only makes it popular, not right.Big_G_NorthWales said:
Even I dont, but we live in the now and she has grabbed the headlines and stood upto the EU
Quinton Letts just tweeted that a rock solid remainer has just said that is it, I want out.
Wonder how many more
24 hours of anti-EU hysteria in the media will have an impact but when people actually sit down and think about what has happened and what may well happen their euphoria may well crack round the edges.
Last week we were being told a "No Deal" exit would mean house price falls and you came on here after Carney's pronouncements and said the idea of a "No Deal" was finished.
A few days later and you seem to be clamouring for it.
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Relying on the States collering Trump at a later date is not a good plan given how much damage he can do in the meantime.0 -
The speech has been well received and made her party conference much easier.felix said:
I think you are getting carried away. I was unimpressed today - she came across as petulant and playing to the gallery - Her task is hard and I wish her every success - if such a word means anything in the context of Brexit. I'd have preferred her to rise above it and be more stateswoman like. I believe any bounce will be very limited.Big_G_NorthWales said:
Even I dont, but we live in the now and she has grabbed the headlines and stood upto the EUYorkcity said:
True , similar to the Cameron veto , a few years ago.Foxy said:
I expect that May will now get her own "flounce bounce" before reality strikes again.stodge said:kle4 said:
May cannot even contemplate compromising further for a deal unless the EU give us something in return - even an uneven exchange in their favour can possibly be sold, maybe, but if they don't give anything back then I don't think it matters how cliff edge things are, the numbers won't be there - Labour won't back it, and not enough Tories will as there are enough who support a cliff edge approach.
So the question is what can the EU budge on so that we can budge even more on something else? How it could occur I don't know, but the EU backing down a bit on Ireland could make it work? Yes May would still look bloody silly accepting full customs union or whatever the option would be, given she has trashed that idea too, but it seems easier to get people to accept than the EU's Irish option.
Looking and sounding angry with the EU goes down well with the Conservative vote (as I'm sure she knows) but there will come a point when the road will run out and, as you say, whatever ground the EU gives, the UK will have to go further than May might like and that will be when she has to take the risk - her interest against the country's interests ? It shouldn't be a question at all of course.
Which hardly anyone can remember now.
Quinton Letts just tweeted that a rock solid remainer has just said that is it, I want out.
Wonder how many more
If she pulls this off the bounce will be considerable, especially as there is no functioning labout party. Cnannel 4 tweeted that labour could not put up a spokesperson presumably as they have no idea how to react0 -
I don't think so.Big_G_NorthWales said:
Something has changed in the last 24 hours.williamglenn said:
She didn’t get much of a bounce from her hysterical speech accusing the EU of interfering in the election.Foxy said:
I expect that May will now get her own "flounce bounce" before reality strikes again.stodge said:
It shouldn't be a question at all of course.kle4 said:
So the question is what can the EU budge on so that we can budge even more on something else? How it could occur I don't know, but the EU backing down a bit on Ireland could make it work? Yes May would still look bloody silly accepting full customs union or whatever the option would be, given she has trashed that idea too, but it seems easier to get people to accept than the EU's Irish option.
The whole dynamic has shifted as the EU get a canning in the UK from the media and press.
The men in suits (apart from 3 women) really have provided a sorry spectacle to the Country and in trying to be clever and ever so childish will have recruited anti EU sentiment more than anything Farage could have done
It is an entirely self administered mistake by them
Chequers was strangled at birth due to the way Davis and Johnson walked and the way the PCP rejected it. Realistically why would the EU accept an offer that was built on sand? It is not logical for anybody to accept something that does not have the support at home to be implemented.
The problem for May and now the UK has been the way in recent weeks she has portrayed herself as a tough negotiator and the bloody difficult woman mantra. She has feet of clay politically, behind the rhetoric is bluster. If this were a game of poker she has been called and has nothing to show. Since she called that GE in 2017, with the tacit support of Brexiteers she has screwed up any chance of any positive deal. We are all going to suffer due to this stupid woman and I personally am unwilling to accept quietly the fall in my standard of living for something I never supported.
It is game over for PM May.0 -
Because the EU would never interfere in the affairs of a sovereign nation, right?williamglenn said:
She didn’t get much of a bounce from her hysterical speech accusing the EU of interfering in the election.Foxy said:
I expect that May will now get her own "flounce bounce" before reality strikes again.stodge said:
It takes two to tango and no one is suggesting May runs up the white flag but the attitude and tone adopted at Salzburg, while it may work well with the British public, clearly wasn't going to wash with the EU.kle4 said:
May cannot even contemplate compromising further for a deal unless the EU give us something in return - even an uneven exchange in their favour can possibly be sold, maybe, but if they don't give anything back then I don't think it matters how cliff edge things are, the numbers won't be there - Labour won't back it, and not enough Tories will as there are enough who support a cliff edge approach.
So the question is what can the EU budge on so that we can budge even more on something else? How it could occur I don't know, but the EU backing down a bit on Ireland could make it work? Yes May would still look bloody silly accepting full customs union or whatever the option would be, given she has trashed that idea too, but it seems easier to get people to accept than the EU's Irish option.
Sometimes politicians have to do things which while not in their best political interests are in the best interests of the country as a whole - that's leadership. This is where I part company with the adherents of May. She seems obsessed with her popularity and image - everything she has done since July 2016 has been around her popularity and the maintenance of her good self in office.
Looking and sounding angry with the EU goes down well with the Conservative vote (as I'm sure she knows) but there will come a point when the road will run out and, as you say, whatever ground the EU gives, the UK will have to go further than May might like and that will be when she has to take the risk - her interest against the country's interests ? It shouldn't be a question at all of course.
oh wait.... yes they did, more than once in fact.0 -
Felix, May absolutely did rise above it today. She gave guarantees to EU citizens already here and made it crystal cleat that she wants a deal with the EU, despite their humiliating her and their pathetic jokes. She also reiterated her red lines. What do you think she should have said today?0
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I have changed - yesterday infuriated both my wife and myself and we both agreed that we want out. Actually this has been mirrored in my whatts ap family and friends group.stodge said:
Just because a lot of people say something only makes it popular, not right.Big_G_NorthWales said:
Even I dont, but we live in the now and she has grabbed the headlines and stood upto the EU
Quinton Letts just tweeted that a rock solid remainer has just said that is it, I want out.
Wonder how many more
24 hours of anti-EU hysteria in the media will have an impact but when people actually sit down and think about what has happened and what may well happen their euphoria may well crack round the edges.
Last week we were being told a "No Deal" exit would mean house price falls and you came on here after Carney's pronouncements and said the idea of a "No Deal" was finished.
A few days later and you seem to be clamouring for it.
I still want TM to do a deal but if not out we go
And by the way I never referred to house price falls, they do not concern me as I own my home and do not intend leaving0 -
Depends what he says. Tactically he can seize the initiative if he wants to by pledging to vote for a referendum, but strategically he may still be better off playing it long and risk disappointing people at the conference. It's so much easier to oppose a concrete deal than oppose any deal in advance.steve_garner said:
Do you think the electorate will notice anything Corbyn has to say about Brexit this next week?0 -
Whilst you are about stodge please can you lecture me as to why the FTSE All Share is up 1.4% today? I assume it's all about the falling pound and foreign earnings, no?stodge said:
Just because a lot of people say something only makes it popular, not right.Big_G_NorthWales said:
Even I dont, but we live in the now and she has grabbed the headlines and stood upto the EU
Quinton Letts just tweeted that a rock solid remainer has just said that is it, I want out.
Wonder how many more
24 hours of anti-EU hysteria in the media will have an impact but when people actually sit down and think about what has happened and what may well happen their euphoria may well crack round the edges.
Last week we were being told a "No Deal" exit would mean house price falls and you came on here after Carney's pronouncements and said the idea of a "No Deal" was finished.
A few days later and you seem to be clamouring for it.0 -
In politics it is sometimes better to say nothing and let your opponents incompetence and ineffectiveness be exposed. Today was not a good day for PM May. A few words were said that will be forgotten within a few hours. The fundamental problem is as acute tomorrow as it was yesterday. May and her vacuous rhetoric don't cut the mustard. It is game over for May.Big_G_NorthWales said:
The speech has been well received and made her party conference much easier.felix said:
I think you are getting carried away. I was unimpressed today - she came across as petulant and playing to the gallery - Her task is hard and I wish her every success - if such a word means anything in the context of Brexit. I'd have preferred her to rise above it and be more stateswoman like. I believe any bounce will be very limited.Big_G_NorthWales said:
Even I dont, but we live in the now and she has grabbed the headlines and stood upto the EUYorkcity said:
True , similar to the Cameron veto , a few years ago.Foxy said:
I expect that May will now get her own "flounce bounce" before reality strikes again.stodge said:kle4 said:
May cannot even contemplate compromising further for a deal unless the EU give us something in return - even an uneven exchange in their favour can possibly be sold, maybe, but if they don't give anything back then I don't think it matters how cliff edge things are, the numbers won't be there - Labour won't back it, and not enough Tories will as there are enough who support a cliff edge approach.
So the question is what can the EU budge on so that we can budge even more on something else? How it could occur I don't know, but the EU backing down a bit on Ireland could make it work? Yes May would still look bloody silly accepting full customs union or whatever the option would be, given she has trashed that idea too, but it seems easier to get people to accept than the EU's Irish option.
Looking and sounding angry with the EU goes down well with the Conservative vote (as I'm sure she knows) but there will come a point when the road will run out and, as you say, whatever ground the EU gives, the UK will have to go further than May might like and that will be when she has to take the risk - her interest against the country's interests ? It shouldn't be a question at all of course.
Which hardly anyone can remember now.
Quinton Letts just tweeted that a rock solid remainer has just said that is it, I want out.
Wonder how many more
If she pulls this off the bounce will be considerable, especially as there is no functioning labout party. Cnannel 4 tweeted that labour could not put up a spokesperson presumably as they have no idea how to react0 -
To be fair , Keir Starker and Stephen Kinnock were on BBC news , this afternoon .Big_G_NorthWales said:
The speech has been well received and made her party conference much easier.felix said:
I think you are getting carried away. I was unimpressed today - she came across as petulant and playing to the gallery - Her task is hard and I wish her every success - if such a word means anything in the context of Brexit. I'd have preferred her to rise above it and be more stateswoman like. I believe any bounce will be very limited.Big_G_NorthWales said:
Even I dont, but we live in the now and she has grabbed the headlines and stood upto the EUYorkcity said:
True , similar to the Cameron veto , a few years ago.Foxy said:
I expect that May will now get her own "flounce bounce" before reality strikes again.stodge said:kle4 said:
May cannot even contemplate compromising further for a deal unless the EU give us something in return - even an uneven exchange in their favour can possibly be sold, maybe, but if they don't give anything back then I don't think it matters how cliff edge things are, the numbers won't be there - Labour won't back it, and not enough Tories will as there are enough who support a cliff edge approach.
So the question is what can the EU budge on so that we can budge even more on something else? How it could occur I don't know, but the EU backing down a bit on Ireland could make it work? Yes May would still look bloody silly accepting full customs union or whatever the option would be, given she has trashed that idea too, but it seems easier to get people to accept than the EU's Irish option.
Looking and sounding angry with the EU goes down well with the Conservative vote (as I'm sure she knows) but there will come a point when the road will run out and, as you say, whatever ground the EU gives, the UK will have to go further than May might like and that will be when she has to take the risk - her interest against the country's interests ? It shouldn't be a question at all of course.
Which hardly anyone can remember now.
Quinton Letts just tweeted that a rock solid remainer has just said that is it, I want out.
Wonder how many more
If she pulls this off the bounce will be considerable, especially as there is no functioning labout party. Cnannel 4 tweeted that labour could not put up a spokesperson presumably as they have no idea how to react
Both were reacting to the speech .0 -
What do you think he should do?NickPalmer said:
Depends what he says. Tactically he can seize the initiative if he wants to by pledging to vote for a referendum, but strategically he may still be better off playing it long and risk disappointing people at the conference. It's so much easier to oppose a concrete deal than oppose any deal in advance.steve_garner said:
Do you think the electorate will notice anything Corbyn has to say about Brexit this next week?0 -
Wishful thinking - maybe she upset you by standing up for the UK but she is as secure today as she has been in a long timeThe_Taxman said:
In politics it is sometimes better to say nothing and let your opponents incompetence and ineffectiveness be exposed. Today was not a good day for PM May. A few words were said that will be forgotten within a few hours. The fundamental problem is as acute tomorrow as it was yesterday. May and her vacuous rhetoric don't cut the mustard. It is game over for May.Big_G_NorthWales said:
The speech has been well received and made her party conference much easier.felix said:
I think you are getting carried away. I was unimpressed today - she came across as petulant and playing to the gallery - Her task is hard and I wish her every success - if such a word means anything in the context of Brexit. I'd have preferred her to rise above it and be more stateswoman like. I believe any bounce will be very limited.Big_G_NorthWales said:
Even I dont, but we live in the now and she has grabbed the headlines and stood upto the EUYorkcity said:
True , similar to the Cameron veto , a few years ago.Foxy said:
I expect that May will now get her own "flounce bounce" before reality strikes again.stodge said:kle4 said:
May cannot even contemplate compromising
So the question is what can the EU budge on so that we can budge even more on something else? How it could occur I don't know, but the EU backing down a bit on Ireland could make it work? Yes May would still look bloody silly accepting full customs union or whatever the option would be, given she has trashed that idea too, but it seems easier to get people to accept than the EU's Irish option.
Looking and sounding angry with the EU goes down well with the Conservative vote (as I'm sure she knows) but there will come a point when the road will run out and, as you say, whatever ground the EU gives, the UK will have to go further than May might like and that will be when she has to take the risk - her interest against the country's interests ? It shouldn't be a question at all of course.
Which hardly anyone can remember now.
Quinton Letts just tweeted that a rock solid remainer has just said that is it, I want out.
Wonder how many more
If she pulls this off the bounce will be considerable, especially as there is no functioning labout party. Cnannel 4 tweeted that labour could not put up a spokesperson presumably as they have no idea how to react0 -
I'm not sure how much it has been well received other than by the ultras in the Tory party and a few flag wavers here and there. Any bounce will only be sustained if palpable progress is made and there is little sign of that. The eventual fudge will please me but the nation and the Tory party - not so sure.Big_G_NorthWales said:
The speech has been well received and made her party conference much easier.felix said:
I think you are getting carried away. I was unimpressed today - she came across as petulant and playing to the gallery - Her task is hard and I wish her every success - if such a word means anything in the context of Brexit. I'd have preferred her to rise above it and be more stateswoman like. I believe any bounce will be very limited.Big_G_NorthWales said:
Even I dont, but we live in the now and she has grabbed the headlines and stood upto the EUYorkcity said:
True , similar to the Cameron veto , a few years ago.Foxy said:
I expect that May will now get her own "flounce bounce" before reality strikes again.stodge said:kle4 said:
May cannot even contemplate compromising further for a deal unless the EU give us something in return - even an uneven exchange in their favour can possibly be sold, maybe, but if they don't give anything back then I don't think it matters how cliff edge things are, the numbers won't be there - Labour won't back it, and not enough Tories will as there are enough who support a cliff edge approach.
So the question is what can the EU budge on so that we can budge even more on something else? How it could occur I don't know, but the EU backing down a bit on Ireland could make it work? Yes May would still look bloody silly accepting full customs union or whatever the option would be, given she has trashed that idea too, but it seems easier to get people to accept than the EU's Irish option.
Looking and sounding angry with the EU goes down well with the Conservative vote (as I'm sure she knows) but there will come a point when the road will run out and, as you say, whatever ground the EU gives, the UK will have to go further than May might like and that will be when she has to take the risk - her interest against the country's interests ? It shouldn't be a question at all of course.
Which hardly anyone can remember now.
Quinton Letts just tweeted that a rock solid remainer has just said that is it, I want out.
Wonder how many more
If she pulls this off the bounce will be considerable, especially as there is no functioning labout party. Cnannel 4 tweeted that labour could not put up a spokesperson presumably as they have no idea how to react0 -
Starmer maybe .Yorkcity said:
To be fair , Keir Starker and Stephen Kinnock were on BBC news , this afternoon .Big_G_NorthWales said:
The speech has been well received and made her party conference much easier.felix said:
I think you are getting carried away. I was unimpressed today - she came across as petulant and playing to the gallery - Her task is hard and I wish her every success - if such a word means anything in the context of Brexit. I'd have preferred her to rise above it and be more stateswoman like. I believe any bounce will be very limited.Big_G_NorthWales said:
Even I dont, but we live in the now and she has grabbed the headlines and stood upto the EUYorkcity said:
True , similar to the Cameron veto , a few years ago.Foxy said:
I expect that May will now get her own "flounce bounce" before reality strikes again.stodge said:kle4 said:
May cannot even contemplate compromising further for a deal unless the EU give us something in return - even an uneven exchange in their favour can possibly be sold, maybe, but if they don't give anything back then I don't think it matters how cliff edge things are, the numbers won't be there - Labour won't back it, and not enough Tories will as there are enough who support a cliff edge approach.
So the question is what can the EU budge on so that we can budge even more on something else? How it could occur I don't know, but the EU backing down a bit on Ireland could make it work? Yes May would still look bloody silly accepting full customs union or whatever the option would be, given she has trashed that idea too, but it seems easier to get people to accept than the EU's Irish option.
Looking and sounding angry with the EU goes down well with the Conservative vote (as I'm sure she knows) but there will come a point when the road will run out and, as you say, whatever ground the EU gives, the UK will have to go further than May might like and that will be when she has to take the risk - her interest against the country's interests ? It shouldn't be a question at all of course.
Which hardly anyone can remember now.
Quinton Letts just tweeted that a rock solid remainer has just said that is it, I want out.
Wonder how many more
If she pulls this off the bounce will be considerable, especially as there is no functioning labout party. Cnannel 4 tweeted that labour could not put up a spokesperson presumably as they have no idea how to react
Both were reacting to the speech .0 -
Her resignation might have been a start.steve_garner said:Felix, May absolutely did rise above it today. She gave guarantees to EU citizens already here and made it crystal cleat that she wants a deal with the EU, despite their humiliating her and their pathetic jokes. She also reiterated her red lines. What do you think she should have said today?
The EU have called her bluff. They don't take her seriously. She says she is a good negotiator but anyone can say that, they are hollow words. She buckles at every turn. Pathetic.
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I applaud the guarantee to EU citizens - although I'm unclear about how the 2/3 m of us living in the UK will benefit from that. For the rest I found her tone strident and combative - I'd have preferred calmer rhetoric all round. Yes she has been provoked but she should have risen above it. She didn't.steve_garner said:Felix, May absolutely did rise above it today. She gave guarantees to EU citizens already here and made it crystal cleat that she wants a deal with the EU, despite their humiliating her and their pathetic jokes. She also reiterated her red lines. What do you think she should have said today?
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Well, that's nice - I can go to bed safe in the knowledge Theresa May is secure and will have a nice Party Conference.Big_G_NorthWales said:Wishful thinking - maybe she upset you by standing up for the UK but she is as secure today as she has been in a long time
I can also be assured the country is apparently clamouring for a "No Deal" Brexit as we are all apparently fed up with those nasty Europeans picking on poor Theresa and her incredibly generous offering called Chequers (a cake with plenty of cherries on it).
This is the "No Deal" Brexit we were told was off the table last week when Mark carney told us what the consequences would be ut none of us care any more, apparently ?0 -
In a word the FTSE rise is totally down to the crashing £.steve_garner said:
Whilst you are about stodge please can you lecture me as to why the FTSE All Share is up 1.4% today? I assume it's all about the falling pound and foreign earnings, no?stodge said:
Just because a lot of people say something only makes it popular, not right.Big_G_NorthWales said:
Even I dont, but we live in the now and she has grabbed the headlines and stood upto the EU
Quinton Letts just tweeted that a rock solid remainer has just said that is it, I want out.
Wonder how many more
24 hours of anti-EU hysteria in the media will have an impact but when people actually sit down and think about what has happened and what may well happen their euphoria may well crack round the edges.
Last week we were being told a "No Deal" exit would mean house price falls and you came on here after Carney's pronouncements and said the idea of a "No Deal" was finished.
A few days later and you seem to be clamouring for it.0 -
Calmer rhetoric is all very well, but that's all tone. But what do you think she should have said that was different to what she did say?felix said:
I applaud the guarantee to EU citizens - although I'm unclear about how the 2/3 m of us living in the UK will benefit from that. For the rest I found her tone strident and combative - I'd have preferred calmer rhetoric all round. Yes she has been provoked but she should have risen above it. She didn't.steve_garner said:Felix, May absolutely did rise above it today. She gave guarantees to EU citizens already here and made it crystal cleat that she wants a deal with the EU, despite their humiliating her and their pathetic jokes. She also reiterated her red lines. What do you think she should have said today?
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I have answered your last sentence. I back TM for a deal but if not then no deal it isstodge said:
Well, that's nice - I can go to bed safe in the knowledge Theresa May is secure and will have a nice Party Conference.Big_G_NorthWales said:Wishful thinking - maybe she upset you by standing up for the UK but she is as secure today as she has been in a long time
I can also be assured the country is apparently clamouring for a "No Deal" Brexit as we are all apparently fed up with those nasty Europeans picking on poor Theresa and her incredibly generous offering called Chequers (a cake with plenty of cherries on it).
This is the "No Deal" Brexit we were told was off the table last week when Mark carney told us what the consequences would be ut none of us care any more, apparently ?0 -
Basically none of them could organise a piss up in a brewery! IF IT WAS NOT SO SERIOUS - IT WOULD MAKE A GREAT MUSIC HALL FARCE. It is completely beyond parody.stodge said:
Well, that's nice - I can go to bed safe in the knowledge Theresa May is secure and will have a nice Party Conference.Big_G_NorthWales said:Wishful thinking - maybe she upset you by standing up for the UK but she is as secure today as she has been in a long time
I can also be assured the country is apparently clamouring for a "No Deal" Brexit as we are all apparently fed up with those nasty Europeans picking on poor Theresa and her incredibly generous offering called Chequers (a cake with plenty of cherries on it).
This is the "No Deal" Brexit we were told was off the table last week when Mark carney told us what the consequences would be ut none of us care any more, apparently ?0 -
The All Share? Really? How many companies in the All Share Index have substantial foreign earnings?felix said:
In a word the FTSE rise is totally down to the crashing £.steve_garner said:
Whilst you are about stodge please can you lecture me as to why the FTSE All Share is up 1.4% today? I assume it's all about the falling pound and foreign earnings, no?stodge said:
Just because a lot of people say something only makes it popular, not right.Big_G_NorthWales said:
Even I dont, but we live in the now and she has grabbed the headlines and stood upto the EU
Quinton Letts just tweeted that a rock solid remainer has just said that is it, I want out.
Wonder how many more
24 hours of anti-EU hysteria in the media will have an impact but when people actually sit down and think about what has happened and what may well happen their euphoria may well crack round the edges.
Last week we were being told a "No Deal" exit would mean house price falls and you came on here after Carney's pronouncements and said the idea of a "No Deal" was finished.
A few days later and you seem to be clamouring for it.0 -
I think the tone is very important and she got it wrong. As for what she said - the bluffing about 'no deal' fools no-one and if she means it is dangerously reckless. May has a very difficult hand in the negotiations - it's a 'lose a lot or not so much' scenario at best. She was playing to the party today but it's the nation's future that should be at the forefront of everything.steve_garner said:
Calmer rhetoric is all very well, but that's all tone. But what do you think she should have said that was different to what she did say?felix said:
I applaud the guarantee to EU citizens - although I'm unclear about how the 2/3 m of us living in the UK will benefit from that. For the rest I found her tone strident and combative - I'd have preferred calmer rhetoric all round. Yes she has been provoked but she should have risen above it. She didn't.steve_garner said:Felix, May absolutely did rise above it today. She gave guarantees to EU citizens already here and made it crystal cleat that she wants a deal with the EU, despite their humiliating her and their pathetic jokes. She also reiterated her red lines. What do you think she should have said today?
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I'm referring to the FTSE 100.steve_garner said:
The All Share? Really? How many companies in the All Share Index have substantial foreign earnings?felix said:
In a word the FTSE rise is totally down to the crashing £.steve_garner said:
Whilst you are about stodge please can you lecture me as to why the FTSE All Share is up 1.4% today? I assume it's all about the falling pound and foreign earnings, no?stodge said:
Just because a lot of people say something only makes it popular, not right.Big_G_NorthWales said:
Even I dont, but we live in the now and she has grabbed the headlines and stood upto the EU
Quinton Letts just tweeted that a rock solid remainer has just said that is it, I want out.
Wonder how many more
24 hours of anti-EU hysteria in the media will have an impact but when people actually sit down and think about what has happened and what may well happen their euphoria may well crack round the edges.
Last week we were being told a "No Deal" exit would mean house price falls and you came on here after Carney's pronouncements and said the idea of a "No Deal" was finished.
A few days later and you seem to be clamouring for it.0 -
She was not standing up for the country as it was "her deal" she was standing up for. This is all about PM May. The deal can wait for new leadership. She is a busted flush. She could not negotiate her way out of a paper bag. I am sorry for the country that we are so poorly represented by May, she is diabolical.Big_G_NorthWales said:
Wishful thinking - maybe she upset you by standing up for the UK but she is as secure today as she has been in a long timeThe_Taxman said:
In politics it is sometimes better to say nothing and let your opponents incompetence and ineffectiveness be exposed. Today was not a good day for PM May. A few words were said that will be forgotten within a few hours. The fundamental problem is as acute tomorrow as it was yesterday. May and her vacuous rhetoric don't cut the mustard. It is game over for May.Big_G_NorthWales said:
The speech has been well received and made her party conference much easier.felix said:Big_G_NorthWales said:
Even I dont, but we live in the now and she has grabbed the headlines and stood upto the EUYorkcity said:
True , similar to the Cameron veto , a few years ago.Foxy said:
I expect that May will now get her own "flounce bounce" before reality strikes again.stodge said:kle4 said:
May cannot even contemplate compromising
So the question is what can the EU budge on so that we can budge even more on something else? How it could occur I don't know, but the EU backing down a bit on Ireland could make it work? Yes May would still look bloody silly accepting full customs union or whatever the option would be, given she has trashed that idea too, but it seems easier to get people to accept than the EU's Irish option.
Looking and sounding angry with the EU goes down well with the Conservative vote (as I'm sure she knows) but there will come a point when the road will run out and, as you say, whatever ground the EU gives, the UK will have to go further than May might like and that will be when she has to take the risk - her interest against the country's interests ? It shouldn't be a question at all of course.
Which hardly anyone can remember now.
Quinton Letts just tweeted that a rock solid remainer has just said that is it, I want out.
Wonder how many more
If she pulls this off the bounce will be considerable, especially as there is no functioning labout party. Cnannel 4 tweeted that labour could not put up a spokesperson presumably as they have no idea how to react0 -
The polls and her ratings are ahead of any of the alternativesThe_Taxman said:
She was not standing up for the country as it was "her deal" she was standing up for. This is all about PM May. The deal can wait for new leadership. She is a busted flush. She could not negotiate her way out of a paper bag. I am sorry for the country that we are so poorly represented by May, she is diabolical.Big_G_NorthWales said:
Wishful thinking - maybe she upset you by standing up for the UK but she is as secure today as she has been in a long timeThe_Taxman said:
In politics it is sometimes better to say nothing and let your opponents incompetence and ineffectiveness be exposed. Today was not a good day for PM May. A few words were said that will be forgotten within a few hours. The fundamental problem is as acute tomorrow as it was yesterday. May and her vacuous rhetoric don't cut the mustard. It is game over for May.Big_G_NorthWales said:
The speech has been well received and made her party conference much easier.felix said:Big_G_NorthWales said:
Even I dont, but we live in the now and she has grabbed the headlines and stood upto the EUYorkcity said:
True , similar to the Cameron veto , a few years ago.Foxy said:
I expect that May will now get her own "flounce bounce" before reality strikes again.stodge said:kle4 said:
May cannot even contemplate compromising
So the question is what can the EU budge on so that we can budge even more on something else? How it could occur I don't know, but the EU backing down a bit on Ireland could make it work? Yes May would still look bloody silly accepting full customs union or whatever the option would be, given she has trashed that idea too, but it seems easier to get people to accept than the EU's Irish option.
Looking and sounding angry with the EU goes down well with the Conservative vote (as I'm sure she knows) but there will come a point when the road will run out and, as you say, whatever ground the EU gives, the UK will have to go further than May might like and that will be when she has to take the risk - her interest against the country's interests ? It shouldn't be a question at all of course.
Which hardly anyone can remember now.
Quinton Letts just tweeted that a rock solid remainer has just said that is it, I want out.
Wonder how many more
If she pulls this off the bounce will be considerable, especially as there is no functioning labout party. Cnannel 4 tweeted that labour could not put up a spokesperson presumably as they have no idea how to react0 -
Then you replied to my post without reading it properly.felix said:
I'm referring to the FTSE 100.steve_garner said:
The All Share? Really? How many companies in the All Share Index have substantial foreign earnings?felix said:
In a word the FTSE rise is totally down to the crashing £.steve_garner said:
Whilst you are about stodge please can you lecture me as to why the FTSE All Share is up 1.4% today? I assume it's all about the falling pound and foreign earnings, no?stodge said:
Just because a lot of people say something only makes it popular, not right.Big_G_NorthWales said:
Even I dont, but we live in the now and she has grabbed the headlines and stood upto the EU
Quinton Letts just tweeted that a rock solid remainer has just said that is it, I want out.
Wonder how many more
24 hours of anti-EU hysteria in the media will have an impact but when people actually sit down and think about what has happened and what may well happen their euphoria may well crack round the edges.
Last week we were being told a "No Deal" exit would mean house price falls and you came on here after Carney's pronouncements and said the idea of a "No Deal" was finished.
A few days later and you seem to be clamouring for it.0 -
The story is complete kack, as it seems almost entirely based on anonymous sources who are reporting a conversation they didn’t even witness - so third hand anonymous sources.glw said:
This story looks like very bad news, primarily intended to give Trump and the GOP cause to fire Rosenstein (who has already rejected the article as misleading) and in turn fire/neuter the Special Counsel.nunuone said:
I have absolutely no doubt that Trump is personally up to his neck in it, the only thing that would convince me otherwise would be Mueller clearing Trump, but if he fires him I'm going to take it as red that essentially all the allegations against Trump are true, whether they originated with the FBI/CIA investigation, or the later Steele dossier.
https://www.emptywheel.net/2018/09/21/nyt-gives-trump-his-excuse-to-fire-rod-rosenstein/
The NYT’s reporting standards have been piss poor.0 -
The FTSE 100 is about 80% by market cap of the All Share, so it comes to the same thing.steve_garner said:
The All Share? Really? How many companies in the All Share Index have substantial foreign earnings?felix said:
In a word the FTSE rise is totally down to the crashing £.steve_garner said:
Whilst you are about stodge please can you lecture me as to why the FTSE All Share is up 1.4% today? I assume it's all about the falling pound and foreign earnings, no?stodge said:
Just because a lot of people say something only makes it popular, not right.Big_G_NorthWales said:
Even I dont, but we live in the now and she has grabbed the headlines and stood upto the EU
Quinton Letts just tweeted that a rock solid remainer has just said that is it, I want out.
Wonder how many more
24 hours of anti-EU hysteria in the media will have an impact but when people actually sit down and think about what has happened and what may well happen their euphoria may well crack round the edges.
Last week we were being told a "No Deal" exit would mean house price falls and you came on here after Carney's pronouncements and said the idea of a "No Deal" was finished.
A few days later and you seem to be clamouring for it.0 -
*Pedant mode ON*felix said:
In a word the FTSE rise is totally down to the crashing £.steve_garner said:
Whilst you are about stodge please can you lecture me as to why the FTSE All Share is up 1.4% today? I assume it's all about the falling pound and foreign earnings, no?stodge said:
Just because a lot of people say something only makes it popular, not right.Big_G_NorthWales said:
Even I dont, but we live in the now and she has grabbed the headlines and stood upto the EU
Quinton Letts just tweeted that a rock solid remainer has just said that is it, I want out.
Wonder how many more
24 hours of anti-EU hysteria in the media will have an impact but when people actually sit down and think about what has happened and what may well happen their euphoria may well crack round the edges.
Last week we were being told a "No Deal" exit would mean house price falls and you came on here after Carney's pronouncements and said the idea of a "No Deal" was finished.
A few days later and you seem to be clamouring for it.
That's nine words and one symbol.
*Pedant mode OFF*
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She's a tactician, and rarely seems to look more than a week ahead - perhaps she feels she can't afford to. Her next job is to get through the party conference, and belligerence will be helpful there. After the conference, I suspect we'll see her in ameliorative mode, because her next task will be to talk to the EU again. Big G and all the rest of us would be best advised not to take any of it at face value - let's see what the result is.felix said:
I think the tone is very important and she got it wrong. As for what she said - the bluffing about 'no deal' fools no-one and if she means it is dangerously reckless. May has a very difficult hand in the negotiations - it's a 'lose a lot or not so much' scenario at best. She was playing to the party today but it's the nation's future that should be at the forefront of everything.-1 -
Eight words, a symbol and an acronym, shirley?ydoethur said:
*Pedant mode ON*felix said:
In a word the FTSE rise is totally down to the crashing £.steve_garner said:
Whilst you are about stodge please can you lecture me as to why the FTSE All Share is up 1.4% today? I assume it's all about the falling pound and foreign earnings, no?stodge said:
Just because a lot of people say something only makes it popular, not right.Big_G_NorthWales said:
Even I dont, but we live in the now and she has grabbed the headlines and stood upto the EU
Quinton Letts just tweeted that a rock solid remainer has just said that is it, I want out.
Wonder how many more
24 hours of anti-EU hysteria in the media will have an impact but when people actually sit down and think about what has happened and what may well happen their euphoria may well crack round the edges.
Last week we were being told a "No Deal" exit would mean house price falls and you came on here after Carney's pronouncements and said the idea of a "No Deal" was finished.
A few days later and you seem to be clamouring for it.
That's nine words and one symbol.
*Pedant mode OFF*0 -
In a poll between her as PM and Corbyn as PM, May would get my support. That is just a poll and I have responded to a YouGov in this vain in the past week. Things have changed, her strategy is ineffective and her bluff has been called.Big_G_NorthWales said:
The polls and her ratings are ahead of any of the alternativesThe_Taxman said:
She was not standing up for the country as it was "her deal" she was standing up for. This is all about PM May. The deal can wait for new leadership. She is a busted flush. She could not negotiate her way out of a paper bag. I am sorry for the country that we are so poorly represented by May, she is diabolical.Big_G_NorthWales said:
Wishful thinking - maybe she upset you by standing up for the UK but she is as secure today as she has been in a long timeThe_Taxman said:
In politics it is sometimes better to say nothing and let your opponents incompetence and ineffectiveness be exposed. Today was not a good day for PM May. A few words were said that will be forgotten within a few hours. The fundamental problem is as acute tomorrow as it was yesterday. May and her vacuous rhetoric don't cut the mustard. It is game over for May.Big_G_NorthWales said:
The speech has been well received and made her party conference much easier.felix said:Big_G_NorthWales said:
Even I dont, but we live in the now and she has grabbed the headlines and stood upto the EUYorkcity said:
Quinton Letts just tweeted that a rock solid remainer has just said that is it, I want out.
Wonder how many more
If she pulls this off the bounce will be considerable, especially as there is no functioning labout party. Cnannel 4 tweeted that labour could not put up a spokesperson presumably as they have no idea how to react
Opinion polls will not keep Tory backbench MPs at bay. They are poised to pounce on her. Her negotiating hand is broken beyond repair. This is a terrible mess and still we have Brexiteers saying we should just walk away and the economic damage does not matter.0 -
Are you playing footsie with my pedant mode, Ishmael?Ishmael_Z said:
Eight words, a symbol and an acronym, shirley?ydoethur said:
*Pedant mode ON*felix said:
In a word the FTSE rise is totally down to the crashing £.steve_garner said:
Whilst you are about stodge please can you lecture me as to why the FTSE All Share is up 1.4% today? I assume it's all about the falling pound and foreign earnings, no?stodge said:
Just because a lot of people say something only makes it popular, not right.Big_G_NorthWales said:
Even I dont, but we live in the now and she has grabbed the headlines and stood upto the EU
Quinton Letts just tweeted that a rock solid remainer has just said that is it, I want out.
Wonder how many more
24 hours of anti-EU hysteria in the media will have an impact but when people actually sit down and think about what has happened and what may well happen their euphoria may well crack round the edges.
Last week we were being told a "No Deal" exit would mean house price falls and you came on here after Carney's pronouncements and said the idea of a "No Deal" was finished.
A few days later and you seem to be clamouring for it.
That's nine words and one symbol.
*Pedant mode OFF*0 -
The all share contains substantial numbers of companies which earn in dollars. But yes you are correct I didn't read it properly. Hope that cheers you up.steve_garner said:
Then you replied to my post without reading it properly.felix said:
I'm referring to the FTSE 100.steve_garner said:
The All Share? Really? How many companies in the All Share Index have substantial foreign earnings?felix said:
In a word the FTSE rise is totally down to the crashing £.steve_garner said:
Whilst you are about stodge please can you lecture me as to why the FTSE All Share is up 1.4% today? I assume it's all about the falling pound and foreign earnings, no?stodge said:
Just because a lot of people say something only makes it popular, not right.Big_G_NorthWales said:
Even I dont, but we live in the now and she has grabbed the headlines and stood upto the EU
Quinton Letts just tweeted that a rock solid remainer has just said that is it, I want out.
Wonder how many more
24 hours of anti-EU hysteria in the media will have an impact but when people actually sit down and think about what has happened and what may well happen their euphoria may well crack round the edges.
Last week we were being told a "No Deal" exit would mean house price falls and you came on here after Carney's pronouncements and said the idea of a "No Deal" was finished.
A few days later and you seem to be clamouring for it.0 -
While the media have been going big on Kavanaugh story, I hope nobody has money on Keith Ellison for any senior positions of power...the allegations against him appear to be have lots of legs.0
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Hold the front page...Spies do some spying....
https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2018/sep/21/british-spies-hacked-into-belgacom-on-ministers-orders-claims-report0 -
You forgot the full stop!ydoethur said:
*Pedant mode ON*felix said:
In a word the FTSE rise is totally down to the crashing £.steve_garner said:
Whilst you are about stodge please can you lecture me as to why the FTSE All Share is up 1.4% today? I assume it's all about the falling pound and foreign earnings, no?stodge said:
Just because a lot of people say something only makes it popular, not right.Big_G_NorthWales said:
Even I dont, but we live in the now and she has grabbed the headlines and stood upto the EU
Quinton Letts just tweeted that a rock solid remainer has just said that is it, I want out.
Wonder how many more
24 hours of anti-EU hysteria in the media will have an impact but when people actually sit down and think about what has happened and what may well happen their euphoria may well crack round the edges.
Last week we were being told a "No Deal" exit would mean house price falls and you came on here after Carney's pronouncements and said the idea of a "No Deal" was finished.
A few days later and you seem to be clamouring for it.
That's nine words and one symbol.
*Pedant mode OFF*0 -
Thanks. Actually I'm cheerful enough tonight. Happy with the PM's statement, a nice Rioja with dinner. the wife asleep on the sofa whilst I enjoy PB and a certain victory for Hull City away to Reading tomorrow. What more could a man want?felix said:
The all share contains substantial numbers of companies which earn in dollars. But yes you are correct I didn't read it properly. Hope that cheers you up.steve_garner said:
Then you replied to my post without reading it properly.felix said:
I'm referring to the FTSE 100.steve_garner said:
The All Share? Really? How many companies in the All Share Index have substantial foreign earnings?felix said:
In a word the FTSE rise is totally down to the crashing £.steve_garner said:
Whilst you are about stodge please can you lecture me as to why the FTSE All Share is up 1.4% today? I assume it's all about the falling pound and foreign earnings, no?stodge said:
Just because a lot of people say something only makes it popular, not right.Big_G_NorthWales said:
Even I dont, but we live in the now and she has grabbed the headlines and stood upto the EU
Quinton Letts just tweeted that a rock solid remainer has just said that is it, I want out.
Wonder how many more
24 hours of anti-EU hysteria in the media will have an impact but when people actually sit down and think about what has happened and what may well happen their euphoria may well crack round the edges.
Last week we were being told a "No Deal" exit would mean house price falls and you came on here after Carney's pronouncements and said the idea of a "No Deal" was finished.
A few days later and you seem to be clamouring for it.0 -
Completely off topic but an American women has broken the record for cycling quickly - she did 183.9 miles per hour! It involves being towed behind a dragster until they reach 100 mph - she then draughts behind the car until she reaches top speed which she keeps up for one mile. Awesome!0
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Eyeballing the risers in the All share does show mostly miners and other Forex earners, while the fallers include housebuilders, retailers and airlines.felix said:
The all share contains substantial numbers of companies which earn in dollars. But yes you are correct I didn't read it properly. Hope that cheers you up.steve_garner said:
Then you replied to my post without reading it properly.felix said:
I'm referring to the FTSE 100.steve_garner said:
The All Share? Really? How many companies in the All Share Index have substantial foreign earnings?felix said:
In a word the FTSE rise is totally down to the crashing £.steve_garner said:
Whilst you are about stodge please can you lecture me as to why the FTSE All Share is up 1.4% today? I assume it's all about the falling pound and foreign earnings, no?stodge said:
Just because a lot of people say something only makes it popular, not right.Big_G_NorthWales said:
Even I dont, but we live in the now and she has grabbed the headlines and stood upto the EU
Quinton Letts just tweeted that a rock solid remainer has just said that is it, I want out.
Wonder how many more
24 hours of anti-EU hysteria in the media will have an impact but when people actually sit down and think about what has happened and what may well happen their euphoria may well crack round the edges.
Last week we were being told a "No Deal" exit would mean house price falls and you came on here after Carney's pronouncements and said the idea of a "No Deal" was finished.
A few days later and you seem to be clamouring for it.
Looks like hedging in Sterling depreciation and lack of belief in the domestic market to me, my portfolio certainly moved that way. I have moved to that position myself over the summer, albeit a fair bit in cash for bargain hunting later.0 -
Looks like you will have to give up your idea that she has a secret plan for a second referendum to reverse Brexit as PMwilliamglenn said:Very interesting thread which is ominous for May.
https://twitter.com/timothy_stanley/status/1043205358372761601?s=210 -
Tory MPs poised to depose TMay? Haven't we heard that somewhere before... like just about every day since the GE? I'll believe it when I see it.The_Taxman said:
In a poll between her as PM and Corbyn as PM, May would get my support. That is just a poll and I have responded to a YouGov in this vain in the past week. Things have changed, her strategy is ineffective and her bluff has been called.Big_G_NorthWales said:
The polls and her ratings are ahead of any of the alternativesThe_Taxman said:
She was not standing up for the country as it was "her deal" she was standing up for. This is all about PM May. The deal can wait for new leadership. She is a busted flush. She could not negotiate her way out of a paper bag. I am sorry for the country that we are so poorly represented by May, she is diabolical.Big_G_NorthWales said:
Wishful thinking - maybe she upset you by standing up for the UK but she is as secure today as she has been in a long timeThe_Taxman said:
In politics it is sometimes better to say nothing and let your opponents incompetence and ineffectiveness be exposed. Today was not a good day for PM May. A few words were said that will be forgotten within a few hours. The fundamental problem is as acute tomorrow as it was yesterday. May and her vacuous rhetoric don't cut the mustard. It is game over for May.Big_G_NorthWales said:
The speech has been well received and made her party conference much easier.felix said:Big_G_NorthWales said:
Even I dont, but we live in the now and she has grabbed the headlines and stood upto the EUYorkcity said:
Quinton Letts just tweeted that a rock solid remainer has just said that is it, I want out.
Wonder how many more
If she pulls this off the bounce will be considerable, especially as there is no functioning labout party. Cnannel 4 tweeted that labour could not put up a spokesperson presumably as they have no idea how to react
Opinion polls will not keep Tory backbench MPs at bay. They are poised to pounce on her. Her negotiating hand is broken beyond repair. This is a terrible mess and still we have Brexiteers saying we should just walk away and the economic damage does not matter.0 -
You don't bother with those for stage actions surrounded by stars.felix said:
You forgot the full stop!ydoethur said:
*Pedant mode ON*felix said:
In a word the FTSE rise is totally down to the crashing £.steve_garner said:
Whilst you are about stodge please can you lecture me as to why the FTSE All Share is up 1.4% today? I assume it's all about the falling pound and foreign earnings, no?stodge said:
Just because a lot of people say something only makes it popular, not right.Big_G_NorthWales said:
Even I dont, but we live in the now and she has grabbed the headlines and stood upto the EU
Quinton Letts just tweeted that a rock solid remainer has just said that is it, I want out.
Wonder how many more
24 hours of anti-EU hysteria in the media will have an impact but when people actually sit down and think about what has happened and what may well happen their euphoria may well crack round the edges.
Last week we were being told a "No Deal" exit would mean house price falls and you came on here after Carney's pronouncements and said the idea of a "No Deal" was finished.
A few days later and you seem to be clamouring for it.
That's nine words and one symbol.
*Pedant mode OFF*
*Exit, pursued by a bear*0 -
Most likely it will be a stay in the single market and customs union transition deal and try and negotiate a FTA in the transition. She can save face by saying Chequers will be the basis of the FTA negotiations.NickPalmer said:
She's a tactician, and rarely seems to look more than a week ahead - perhaps she feels she can't afford to. Her next job is to get through the party conference, and belligerence will be helpful there. After the conference, I suspect we'll see her in ameliorative mode, because her next task will be to talk to the EU again. Big G and all the rest of us would be best advised not to take any of it at face value - let's see what the result is.felix said:
I think the tone is very important and she got it wrong. As for what she said - the bluffing about 'no deal' fools no-one and if she means it is dangerously reckless. May has a very difficult hand in the negotiations - it's a 'lose a lot or not so much' scenario at best. She was playing to the party today but it's the nation's future that should be at the forefront of everything.
If May does not accept the above and risks No Deal the Tory Party will likely do it for her and oust her and put David Davis in by coronation to get the Withdrawal Agreement and Transition Period and start negotiations on a Canada style FTA in the transition with Chequers firmly dumped in the bin.
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If we want to stay off topic, what the fuck does Keaton Jennings actually have to do to get dropped?slade said:Completely off topic but an American women has broken the record for cycling quickly - she did 183.9 miles per hour! It involves being towed behind a dragster until they reach 100 mph - she then draughts behind the car until she reaches top speed which she keeps up for one mile. Awesome!
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I would literally pick anybody else....he looks totally clueless against test level bowlers.ydoethur said:
If we want to stay off topic, what the fuck does Keaton Jennings actually have to do to get dropped?slade said:Completely off topic but an American women has broken the record for cycling quickly - she did 183.9 miles per hour! It involves being towed behind a dragster until they reach 100 mph - she then draughts behind the car until she reaches top speed which she keeps up for one mile. Awesome!
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Jennings is struggling. I think the selectors should have persevered with Adam Lyth a few years back.FrancisUrquhart said:
I would literally pick anybody else....he looks totally clueless against test level bowlers.ydoethur said:
If we want to stay off topic, what the fuck does Keaton Jennings actually have to do to get dropped?slade said:Completely off topic but an American women has broken the record for cycling quickly - she did 183.9 miles per hour! It involves being towed behind a dragster until they reach 100 mph - she then draughts behind the car until she reaches top speed which she keeps up for one mile. Awesome!
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Well Denly and Burns are reasonable picks. But surely it would be better to start completely afresh with them and see what happens?steve_garner said:
Jennings is struggling. I think the selectors should have persevered with Adam Lyth a few years back.FrancisUrquhart said:
I would literally pick anybody else....he looks totally clueless against test level bowlers.ydoethur said:
If we want to stay off topic, what the fuck does Keaton Jennings actually have to do to get dropped?slade said:Completely off topic but an American women has broken the record for cycling quickly - she did 183.9 miles per hour! It involves being towed behind a dragster until they reach 100 mph - she then draughts behind the car until she reaches top speed which she keeps up for one mile. Awesome!
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How does resurrecting the "Up Yours, Delors" mentality actually help in practical term? It might make some people feel better to beat their chests and sing Rule Britannia but we are still in a worse mess than we were even 2 two days ago.Big_G_NorthWales said:
I have changed - yesterday infuriated both my wife and myself and we both agreed that we want out. Actually this has been mirrored in my whatts ap family and friends group.stodge said:
Just because a lot of people say something only makes it popular, not right.Big_G_NorthWales said:
Even I dont, but we live in the now and she has grabbed the headlines and stood upto the EU
Quinton Letts just tweeted that a rock solid remainer has just said that is it, I want out.
Wonder how many more
24 hours of anti-EU hysteria in the media will have an impact but when people actually sit down and think about what has happened and what may well happen their euphoria may well crack round the edges.
Last week we were being told a "No Deal" exit would mean house price falls and you came on here after Carney's pronouncements and said the idea of a "No Deal" was finished.
A few days later and you seem to be clamouring for it.
I still want TM to do a deal but if not out we go
And by the way I never referred to house price falls, they do not concern me as I own my home and do not intend leaving0 -
He was technically flawed. The best technical opener that has been selected in recent years is Hameed, but man oh man his form since breaking his finger has gone downhill quicker than Jezza's standing in the Jewish community.steve_garner said:
Jennings is struggling. I think the selectors should have persevered with Adam Lyth a few years back.FrancisUrquhart said:
I would literally pick anybody else....he looks totally clueless against test level bowlers.ydoethur said:
If we want to stay off topic, what the fuck does Keaton Jennings actually have to do to get dropped?slade said:Completely off topic but an American women has broken the record for cycling quickly - she did 183.9 miles per hour! It involves being towed behind a dragster until they reach 100 mph - she then draughts behind the car until she reaches top speed which she keeps up for one mile. Awesome!
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I am not sure picking an untried 32 year old is a good pick. If you are going to pick a 30+ player you might as well just pick Bell as you know what you get.ydoethur said:
Well Denly and Burns are reasonable picks. But surely it would be better to start completely afresh with them and see what happens?steve_garner said:
Jennings is struggling. I think the selectors should have persevered with Adam Lyth a few years back.FrancisUrquhart said:
I would literally pick anybody else....he looks totally clueless against test level bowlers.ydoethur said:
If we want to stay off topic, what the fuck does Keaton Jennings actually have to do to get dropped?slade said:Completely off topic but an American women has broken the record for cycling quickly - she did 183.9 miles per hour! It involves being towed behind a dragster until they reach 100 mph - she then draughts behind the car until she reaches top speed which she keeps up for one mile. Awesome!
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He's an experienced cricketer with a good record this season. I don't expect him to be a latter day Gordon Greenidge or Len Hutton, but I don't think there's any reason to believe he will let England down.FrancisUrquhart said:
I am not sure picking an untried 32 year old is a good pick. If you are going to pick a 30+ player you might as well just pick Bell as you know what you get.ydoethur said:
Well Denly and Burns are reasonable picks. But surely it would be better to start completely afresh with them and see what happens?steve_garner said:
Jennings is struggling. I think the selectors should have persevered with Adam Lyth a few years back.FrancisUrquhart said:
I would literally pick anybody else....he looks totally clueless against test level bowlers.ydoethur said:
If we want to stay off topic, what the fuck does Keaton Jennings actually have to do to get dropped?slade said:Completely off topic but an American women has broken the record for cycling quickly - she did 183.9 miles per hour! It involves being towed behind a dragster until they reach 100 mph - she then draughts behind the car until she reaches top speed which she keeps up for one mile. Awesome!
And pretty well all other options have been tried and failed. Joe Clarke may be a prospect, but if as is rumoured he is off to Notts we can expect three dud seasons from him.0 -
The front pages tomorrow are good for TM but the Sun is a classic
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I wish they would have just picked talented youngster and put them in and see what happens. Curran brothers have shown that they might not be world beaters, but they certainly as good as what we already have.ydoethur said:
He's an experienced cricketer with a good record this season. I don't expect him to be a latter day Gordon Greenidge or Len Hutton, but I don't think there's any reason to believe he will let England down.FrancisUrquhart said:
I am not sure picking an untried 32 year old is a good pick. If you are going to pick a 30+ player you might as well just pick Bell as you know what you get.ydoethur said:
Well Denly and Burns are reasonable picks. But surely it would be better to start completely afresh with them and see what happens?steve_garner said:
Jennings is struggling. I think the selectors should have persevered with Adam Lyth a few years back.FrancisUrquhart said:
I would literally pick anybody else....he looks totally clueless against test level bowlers.ydoethur said:
If we want to stay off topic, what the fuck does Keaton Jennings actually have to do to get dropped?slade said:Completely off topic but an American women has broken the record for cycling quickly - she did 183.9 miles per hour! It involves being towed behind a dragster until they reach 100 mph - she then draughts behind the car until she reaches top speed which she keeps up for one mile. Awesome!
And pretty well all other options have been tried and failed. Joe Clarke may be a prospect, but if as is rumoured he is off to Notts we can expect three dud seasons from him.
England really need to look to the future quickly as Cook has gone and Anderson / Broad aren't going to last much longer.0 -
His place appears to be as firmly fixed as his feet are when batting.ydoethur said:
If we want to stay off topic, what the fuck does Keaton Jennings actually have to do to get dropped?slade said:Completely off topic but an American women has broken the record for cycling quickly - she did 183.9 miles per hour! It involves being towed behind a dragster until they reach 100 mph - she then draughts behind the car until she reaches top speed which she keeps up for one mile. Awesome!
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And that is as hard to understand as his hands are while fielding?Nigelb said:
His place appears to be as firmly fixed as his feet are when batting.ydoethur said:
If we want to stay off topic, what the fuck does Keaton Jennings actually have to do to get dropped?slade said:Completely off topic but an American women has broken the record for cycling quickly - she did 183.9 miles per hour! It involves being towed behind a dragster until they reach 100 mph - she then draughts behind the car until she reaches top speed which she keeps up for one mile. Awesome!
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Not sure Lyth was technically flawed. After a ton against New Zealand he batted against a good Aussie attack and seemed to attract a lot of very good deliveries. I've seen him a lot in the last few years and would back him against any of the openers England have tried since, including Hameed. War of the Roses and all that.
For Sri Lanka Burns has earned his place. I'd like to see Gubbins given a chance.
On early inspection the PM will probably be happy with the front pages I've seen this far.
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He had a technical fault that led to him to play at balls he could leave. That is why he was dropped.steve_garner said:Not sure Lyth was technically flawed. After a ton against New Zealand he batted against a good Aussie attack and seemed to attract a lot of very good deliveries. I've seen him a lot in the last few years and would back him against any of the openers England have tried since, including Hameed. War of the Roses and all that.
For Sri Lanka Burns has earned his place. I'd like to see Gubbins given a chance.
On early inspection the PM will probably be happy with the front pages I've seen this far.0 -
Nick Gubbins, averaging 31 with one hundred in the second division? Admittedly he plays for a Middlesex side that seem to be making a determined bid for minor county status. Denly has three and averaged 36. Or Miles Hammond, who scored two centuries and also averaged 36, if you want youth.steve_garner said:Not sure Lyth was technically flawed. After a ton against New Zealand he batted against a good Aussie attack and seemed to attract a lot of very good deliveries. I've seen him a lot in the last few years and would back him against any of the openers England have tried since, including Hameed. War of the Roses and all that.
For Sri Lanka Burns has earned his place. I'd like to see Gubbins given a chance.
On early inspection the PM will probably be happy with the front pages I've seen this far.
I think he other concern they have with Cook retiring is a lack of experience in the batting line up. Denly, Ali and Burns are all county captains de facto or de jure.0 -
I actually like Jennings - the kid is not without character - but test opener he is not.ydoethur said:
And that is as hard to understand as his hands are while fielding?Nigelb said:
His place appears to be as firmly fixed as his feet are when batting.ydoethur said:
If we want to stay off topic, what the fuck does Keaton Jennings actually have to do to get dropped?slade said:Completely off topic but an American women has broken the record for cycling quickly - she did 183.9 miles per hour! It involves being towed behind a dragster until they reach 100 mph - she then draughts behind the car until she reaches top speed which she keeps up for one mile. Awesome!
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To quote my Jeeves, 'I am saying nothing against his moral character, sir.'Nigelb said:
I actually like Jennings - the kid is not without character - but test opener he is not.ydoethur said:
And that is as hard to understand as his hands are while fielding?Nigelb said:
His place appears to be as firmly fixed as his feet are when batting.ydoethur said:
If we want to stay off topic, what the fuck does Keaton Jennings actually have to do to get dropped?slade said:Completely off topic but an American women has broken the record for cycling quickly - she did 183.9 miles per hour! It involves being towed behind a dragster until they reach 100 mph - she then draughts behind the car until she reaches top speed which she keeps up for one mile. Awesome!
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Think we'll have to agree to disagree on Lyth. You could say Cook also played at an awful lot of balls he could have left, especially in the last 2 or 3 years. Notwithstanding his great career, and his last test, he would have struggled to keep his place in the last 2 years had there been much competition for his place.FrancisUrquhart said:
He had a technical fault that led to him to play at balls he could leave. That is why he was dropped.steve_garner said:Not sure Lyth was technically flawed. After a ton against New Zealand he batted against a good Aussie attack and seemed to attract a lot of very good deliveries. I've seen him a lot in the last few years and would back him against any of the openers England have tried since, including Hameed. War of the Roses and all that.
For Sri Lanka Burns has earned his place. I'd like to see Gubbins given a chance.
On early inspection the PM will probably be happy with the front pages I've seen this far.0 -
Cook of the past 2 years is a sad reflection on the Cook of early career.steve_garner said:
Think we'll have to agree to disagree on Lyth. You could say Cook also played at an awful lot of balls he could have left, especially in the last 2 or 3 years. Notwithstanding his great career, and his last test, he would have struggled to keep his place in the last 2 years had there been much competition for his place.FrancisUrquhart said:
He had a technical fault that led to him to play at balls he could leave. That is why he was dropped.steve_garner said:Not sure Lyth was technically flawed. After a ton against New Zealand he batted against a good Aussie attack and seemed to attract a lot of very good deliveries. I've seen him a lot in the last few years and would back him against any of the openers England have tried since, including Hameed. War of the Roses and all that.
For Sri Lanka Burns has earned his place. I'd like to see Gubbins given a chance.
On early inspection the PM will probably be happy with the front pages I've seen this far.0 -
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2018/09/21/jeremy-corbyns-allies-drawing-emergency-plans-amid-fears-may/
Jezza not playing a straight bat? shocked I tell you.0 -
Its all a massive smear setup by MI5 / the deep state....Floater said:https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2018/09/21/jeremy-corbyns-allies-drawing-emergency-plans-amid-fears-may/
Jezza not playing a straight bat? shocked I tell you.0 -
Oh I agree Gubbins has not had a great season. However, whilst runs scored is the currency he looks to me to be a good player, and certainly better than Jennings. In fact, I'd rather select Stoneman again than Jennings and let him open with Burns. At least they bat together regularly.ydoethur said:
Nick Gubbins, averaging 31 with one hundred in the second division? Admittedly he plays for a Middlesex side that seem to be making a determined bid for minor county status. Denly has three and averaged 36. Or Miles Hammond, who scored two centuries and also averaged 36, if you want youth.steve_garner said:Not sure Lyth was technically flawed. After a ton against New Zealand he batted against a good Aussie attack and seemed to attract a lot of very good deliveries. I've seen him a lot in the last few years and would back him against any of the openers England have tried since, including Hameed. War of the Roses and all that.
For Sri Lanka Burns has earned his place. I'd like to see Gubbins given a chance.
On early inspection the PM will probably be happy with the front pages I've seen this far.
I think he other concern they have with Cook retiring is a lack of experience in the batting line up. Denly, Ali and Burns are all county captains de facto or de jure.0 -
I think we have our new England opener!Floater said:https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2018/09/21/jeremy-corbyns-allies-drawing-emergency-plans-amid-fears-may/
Jezza not playing a straight bat? shocked I tell you.0 -
Harsh, but fair.ydoethur said:
To quote my Jeeves, 'I am saying nothing against his moral character, sir.'Nigelb said:
I actually like Jennings - the kid is not without character - but test opener he is not.ydoethur said:
And that is as hard to understand as his hands are while fielding?Nigelb said:
His place appears to be as firmly fixed as his feet are when batting.ydoethur said:
If we want to stay off topic, what the fuck does Keaton Jennings actually have to do to get dropped?slade said:Completely off topic but an American women has broken the record for cycling quickly - she did 183.9 miles per hour! It involves being towed behind a dragster until they reach 100 mph - she then draughts behind the car until she reaches top speed which she keeps up for one mile. Awesome!
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It’s market cap weightedsteve_garner said:
The All Share? Really? How many companies in the All Share Index have substantial foreign earnings?felix said:
In a word the FTSE rise is totally down to the crashing £.steve_garner said:
Whilst you are about stodge please can you lecture me as to why the FTSE All Share is up 1.4% today? I assume it's all about the falling pound and foreign earnings, no?stodge said:
Just because a lot of people say something only makes it popular, not right.Big_G_NorthWales said:
Even I dont, but we live in the now and she has grabbed the headlines and stood upto the EU
Quinton Letts just tweeted that a rock solid remainer has just said that is it, I want out.
Wonder how many more
24 hours of anti-EU hysteria in the media will have an impact but when people actually sit down and think about what has happened and what may well happen their euphoria may well crack round the edges.
Last week we were being told a "No Deal" exit would mean house price falls and you came on here after Carney's pronouncements and said the idea of a "No Deal" was finished.
A few days later and you seem to be clamouring for it.0 -
Eighties nostalgia. The Sun are even recycling their headlines...williamglenn said:
https://www.supanet.com/britain-s-famous-front-pages-g492p7.html0 -
I think Mrs May will prefer tomorrow's front pages:
https://twitter.com/AllieHBNews/status/10432465404695347200 -
The dearth of good English/Welsh opening batsmen is worrying. I'm old enough to remember Alan Jones, Hugh Morris, Steve James, Alan Butcher, Richard Lumb, Ashley Metcalfe and doubtless others all of which would have been automatic selections nowadays. I doubt they got half a dozen caps between them. There were a few good players ahead of them mind.0
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Its ok - they have a plan for a peoples militia to take on the State .....FrancisUrquhart said:
Its all a massive smear setup by MI5 / the deep state....Floater said:https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2018/09/21/jeremy-corbyns-allies-drawing-emergency-plans-amid-fears-may/
Jezza not playing a straight bat? shocked I tell you.
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Yes I know. It's only 1 in 6 companies though.Charles said:
It’s market cap weightedsteve_garner said:
The All Share? Really? How many companies in the All Share Index have substantial foreign earnings?felix said:
In a word the FTSE rise is totally down to the crashing £.steve_garner said:
Whilst you are about stodge please can you lecture me as to why the FTSE All Share is up 1.4% today? I assume it's all about the falling pound and foreign earnings, no?stodge said:
Just because a lot of people say something only makes it popular, not right.Big_G_NorthWales said:
Even I dont, but we live in the now and she has grabbed the headlines and stood upto the EU
Quinton Letts just tweeted that a rock solid remainer has just said that is it, I want out.
Wonder how many more
24 hours of anti-EU hysteria in the media will have an impact but when people actually sit down and think about what has happened and what may well happen their euphoria may well crack round the edges.
Last week we were being told a "No Deal" exit would mean house price falls and you came on here after Carney's pronouncements and said the idea of a "No Deal" was finished.
A few days later and you seem to be clamouring for it.0 -
Gooch had a slow start. Took him about 10 years to become a great opening batsman. Maybe Jennings will be the same.steve_garner said:The dearth of good English/Welsh opening batsmen is worrying. I'm old enough to remember Alan Jones, Hugh Morris, Steve James, Alan Butcher, Richard Lumb, Ashley Metcalfe and doubtless others all of which would have been automatic selections nowadays. I doubt they got half a dozen caps between them. There were a few good players ahead of them mind.
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Well that means they are nailed on not to resign...because Peston is pretty much wrong about everything.williamglenn said:0 -
This got lost at the tail end of the last thread. Big G"s very sharp about turn was in the fore of my thinking, writing this.
On another note, it was great to see The Flying Scotsman pootle past my office window in Salford this afternoon.Pro_Rata said:Strange how we comment endlessly on every last bit of UK political intrigue and faction on here and then just see the EU as if it is some monolith.
My opinion is that the EU negotiators have been trying, in good faith, to see a way through Chequers, and that though they were liaising with their paymasters, the nation states, this did not get the amount of bandwidth with the heads of those states until this summit. The heads of state did not like what they saw. Tusk's tone at the press conference was not off the cuff, but reflected accurately the concensus of those sovereign nations to kill off Chequers.
It is not like UK ministers never send their advisors scurrying back to think again on crucial matters and the EUs institutional limitations do not bad faith make.
I expect Barnier's team to, in good faith, attempt to meet May's challenge of devising something of their own between FTA and SM - a kind of Chequeheures deal, if you like. But, in good faith, that cupboard may be bare.
Where the EU can take blame yesterday is in two respects - Tusk's Instagram post was poor but more egregiously, and this is where my case for good faith is stretched, what the hell is all this '10 minutes at the end of dinner' rubbish? Cameron had it, now May. Is that the general rule for any national special pleading, like supplication is supposed to be a small part at the end of prayer, or is it just for us?0 -
This. Specifically the political and media types in London and Brussels who want a second referendum and spend all day talking to each other, give the EU side of the negotiations the feeling that we can be talked out of Brexit somehow... Meanwhile the rest of the country reacts by saying f**k the EU and the horse they rode on, and No Deal happens by accident.Charles said:
The issue is that they have refused to engage constructively on the Irish border question. A technological solution might have been possible - it might not have been. But without a working party to examine it it isn’t going to happen.Fenman said:
For God's sake if anyone is humiliating anyone, it's us humiliating ourselves. The EU position is and always has been clear. We should stop the silly Oxbridge semantics and make up our minds to stay and accept the rules or just piss off. I'm afraid what Salzburg symbolises is that the rest of the EU is just bored with this.HYUFD said:
The last time a large European nation was humiliated in a Treaty 20 years later it did not end too well.CarlottaVance said:
I don’t think most of the EU leaders (with the possible exception of Macron - though it’s worth reading his full remarks) wanted to damage May-who herself may have misjudged things at the end of a dinner after a long tiring day - and will have been taken aback at how their cozy chat in Salzburg was presented in the U.K. They are not unaware of the risks of a hostile resentful U.K. on their western border with Putin’s kleptocracy on their eastern border - and apart from some idealogues in Brussels want things sorted out with as little fuss as possible and to remain on good terms afterwards. Salzburg hasn’t helped that.oxfordsimon said:
Duplicitous little shit (not you Carlotta!!)CarlottaVance said:
Instead I think they genuinely believed they could force the Brits into cancelling Brexit (encouraged by some politicians and media folk in the UK). I don’t believe that it’s going to happen
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We may disagree on Lyth, but we agree on Peston.FrancisUrquhart said:
Well that means they are nailed on not to resign...because Peston is pretty much wrong about everything.williamglenn said:0 -
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Well the oilys, pharma and miners all gave less than 5% of revenues in the U.K.steve_garner said:
Yes I know. It's only 1 in 6 companies though.Charles said:
It’s market cap weightedsteve_garner said:
The All Share? Really? How many companies in the All Share Index have substantial foreign earnings?felix said:
In a word the FTSE rise is totally down to the crashing £.steve_garner said:
Whilst you are about stodge please can you lecture me as to why the FTSE All Share is up 1.4% today? I assume it's all about the falling pound and foreign earnings, no?stodge said:
Just because a lot of people say something only makes it popular, not right.Big_G_NorthWales said:
Even I dont, but we live in the now and she has grabbed the headlines and stood upto the EU
Quinton Letts just tweeted that a rock solid remainer has just said that is it, I want out.
Wonder how many more
24 hours of anti-EU hysteria in the media will have an impact but when people actually sit down and think about what has happened and what may well happen their euphoria may well crack round the edges.
Last week we were being told a "No Deal" exit would mean house price falls and you came on here after Carney's pronouncements and said the idea of a "No Deal" was finished.
A few days later and you seem to be clamouring for it.0 -
Numerous people and bodies have called for a people’s vote. Scratch a little below the surface, and it becomes apparent that many of these are either uncertain, or perhaps deliberately vague, about the circumstances in which it should be held.
They are also uncertain – or again perhaps deliberately vague – about the nature of the question to be put, the timing, and indeed the consequences which should flow from such a vote. As the Leave campaign can testify, there are pros and cons for groups who take this sort of stance. A vague plan might elicit support from a wide range of people. But then, it might turn out not to be able to deliver what the people were hoping for.
http://blogs.lse.ac.uk/brexit/2018/09/18/the-peoples-vote-is-not-the-answer-to-the-brexit-riddle/0 -
Amen. Literally anything he speculares about bet on the opposite happening.FrancisUrquhart said:
Well that means they are nailed on not to resign...because Peston is pretty much wrong about everything.williamglenn said:0 -
How much easier would her life be if she hadn't called the snap election? She really has boxed herself in thanks the outcome of her decision to call it.williamglenn said:0 -
Another momentous day in politics and many more to come
It is getting past my bedtime so time to wish everyone a very relaxed nights rest
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As someone else said earlier, US politics is designed to make U.K. politics seem normal.FrancisUrquhart said:Google Workers Discussed Tweaking Search Function to Counter Travel Ban
Days after the Trump administration instituted a controversial travel ban in January 2017, Google employees discussed ways they might be able to tweak the company’s search-related functions to show users how to contribute to pro-immigration organizations and contact lawmakers and government agencies, according to internal company emails.
https://www.wsj.com/articles/google-workers-discussed-tweaking-search-function-to-counter-travel-ban-1537488472
I am sure Donald won't ever mention this....
Google and Facebook are staring down the barrel of some serious regulation if they can’t prove they’re being impartial over the US elections.0 -
Not that slow.AndyJS said:
Gooch had a slow start. Took him about 10 years to become a great opening batsman. Maybe Jennings will be the same.steve_garner said:The dearth of good English/Welsh opening batsmen is worrying. I'm old enough to remember Alan Jones, Hugh Morris, Steve James, Alan Butcher, Richard Lumb, Ashley Metcalfe and doubtless others all of which would have been automatic selections nowadays. I doubt they got half a dozen caps between them. There were a few good players ahead of them mind.
And that’s an argument which could have been deployed for any of the half dozen openers we’ve tried - than all of whom Jennings has already had a longer run at it.0 -
There is a serious problem with silicon valley where a particular world view has formed in the bubble. They are big on encouraging diversity, as long as as it isn't diversity of opinions.Sandpit said:
As someone else said earlier, US politics is designed to make U.K. politics seem normal.FrancisUrquhart said:Google Workers Discussed Tweaking Search Function to Counter Travel Ban
Days after the Trump administration instituted a controversial travel ban in January 2017, Google employees discussed ways they might be able to tweak the company’s search-related functions to show users how to contribute to pro-immigration organizations and contact lawmakers and government agencies, according to internal company emails.
https://www.wsj.com/articles/google-workers-discussed-tweaking-search-function-to-counter-travel-ban-1537488472
I am sure Donald won't ever mention this....
Google and Facebook are staring down the barrel of some serious regulation if they can’t prove they’re being impartial over the US elections.0 -
History turns on such moments.PoliticsSchmolitics said:
How much easier would her life be if she hadn't called the snap election? She really has boxed herself in thanks the outcome of her decision to call it.williamglenn said:0 -
So you're wishing we could just f##k over the Northern Irish? Sounds like it might be a good job that we got the result we did then?PoliticsSchmolitics said:
How much easier would her life be if she hadn't called the snap election? She really has boxed herself in thanks the outcome of her decision to call it.williamglenn said:0 -
I assume you saw this:FrancisUrquhart said:
There is a serious problem with silicon valley where a particular world view has formed in the bubble. They are big on encouraging diversity, as long as as it isn't diversity of opinions.Sandpit said:
As someone else said earlier, US politics is designed to make U.K. politics seem normal.FrancisUrquhart said:Google Workers Discussed Tweaking Search Function to Counter Travel Ban
Days after the Trump administration instituted a controversial travel ban in January 2017, Google employees discussed ways they might be able to tweak the company’s search-related functions to show users how to contribute to pro-immigration organizations and contact lawmakers and government agencies, according to internal company emails.
https://www.wsj.com/articles/google-workers-discussed-tweaking-search-function-to-counter-travel-ban-1537488472
I am sure Donald won't ever mention this....
Google and Facebook are staring down the barrel of some serious regulation if they can’t prove they’re being impartial over the US elections.
https://quillette.com/2018/09/21/the-preachers-of-the-great-awokening/0 -
Just as well she did and thank God for the DUP. She really should have known better than to ever think it would be acceptable to make permanent commitments on NI in the absence of an agreed outcome.PoliticsSchmolitics said:
How much easier would her life be if she hadn't called the snap election? She really has boxed herself in thanks the outcome of her decision to call it.williamglenn said:0
