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  • CarlottaVanceCarlottaVance Posts: 60,422
    edited September 2018
  • glwglw Posts: 10,367
    Andrew said:

    They also were on cctv visiting the famous tourist suburb .... where coincidentally Skripal lived.
    Well that and the minor issue of traces of Novichok being found in their hotel room. What are the odds?
  • welshowlwelshowl Posts: 4,464

    EDM - English Democratic Movement
    I'm sure Kirsty Williams Assembly Member for Brecon and Radnor will thank you for your suggestion. Very helpful to her I'm sure.
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 56,022
    edited September 2018
    That photo is taken from the south west, across the meadow that really annoys the locals because it stops the completion of the ring road.

    The other view that stands out is from about 4 or 5 miles away as you come in down the A30 road (from London), you round a left hand bend and the spire is just there in the distance, the only visible part of the city. It’s when you know you’re nearly home.
  • glwglw Posts: 10,367
    Jonathan said:

    So what is Putin trying to achieve by this RT stunt and how can we (the West) not fall into that trap?

    I fear by making something so ridiculous, we will send it up he will be successful in trivialising the whole thing.

    The aim of disinformation is not to present some plausible alternative narrative, but to present so many contradictory explanations that people lose track of the facts. The "tourism" explanation is simply more Russian BS to add to the pile from earlier in the year.
  • Nigelb said:

    The New Romantics ?
    (An equally short-lived movement.)
    They could be some sort of People's Movement. I know - the Human League.
  • welshowlwelshowl Posts: 4,464
    Sandpit said:

    That photo is taken from the south west, across the meadow that really annoys the locals because it stops the completion of the ring road.

    The other view that stands out is from about 4 or 5 miles away as you come in down the A30 road (from London), you round a left hand bend and the spire is just there in the distance, the only visible part of the city. It’s when you know you’re nearly home.
    In fairness, I'm sure the top view from the GRU satellite must be quite a sight too.
  • tpfkartpfkar Posts: 1,569
    welshowl said:

    How about Free Radicals? (A short lived uncharged molecule, typically highly reactive)
    There was an internal newsletter / opinion collection called the Free Radical, not sure if there still is. So you're not the first with that idea.
  • glw said:

    Well that and the minor issue of traces of Novichok being found in their hotel room. What are the odds?
    Stag do's these days can get out of hand...and who hasn't got lost on one.
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 79,235
    edited September 2018
    Nigelb said:

    Interesting Guardian debate:
    https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2018/sep/13/guardian-cricket-writers-pick-greatest-england-cricketers-all-time

    I'd pick Grace, followed by Hobbs, and then Botham some way behind.

    Batsmen Hobbs, Bowler Trueman, All rounder Botham ?
  • RobDRobD Posts: 60,365
    Do the people who don't know him prefer him?
  • welshowlwelshowl Posts: 4,464
    glw said:

    The aim of disinformation is not to present some plausible alternative narrative, but to present so many contradictory explanations that people lose track of the facts. The "tourism" explanation is simply more Russian BS to add to the pile from earlier in the year.
    Really it's just a diplomatic version of Rene Artois out of Allo Allo being caught red handed with the barmaid by his Mrs and coming up with some wildly implausible explanation to distract her.

    The fact that there is any alternative at all no matter how wild is better than no alternative, as to what two burly Russian gentlemen in their 30's, on a weekend outing from Moscow, were doing coincidentally near chez Skripal (out of 20million plus homes in the UK), just before they caught a flight back to Russia and the Skripal's were then, amazingly found poisoned with a nerve agent apparently traceable to Russia.

    Of course the only person swallowing this and playing the part of the gullible Mrs Artois is an elderly gentleman from Islington. There's always one.
  • Sandpit said:

    That photo is taken from the south west, across the meadow that really annoys the locals because it stops the completion of the ring road.

    The other view that stands out is from about 4 or 5 miles away as you come in down the A30 road (from London), you round a left hand bend and the spire is just there in the distance, the only visible part of the city. It’s when you know you’re nearly home.
    Not precisely correct to say that when you see the spire "you're nearly home" more accurately you're near the end of the long queue of traffic waiting to get in to the city.
  • Pulpstar said:

    Batsmen Hobbs, Bowler Trueman, All rounder Botham ?
    I'd pick Anderson for bowler.

    Has to be Botham for all rounder.
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 51,292
    glw said:

    Well that and the minor issue of traces of Novichok being found in their hotel room. What are the odds?
    Yes, they must have been contaminated while lost in that suburb. Just as well they werent affected themselves.
  • welshowl said:

    Really it's just a diplomatic version of Rene Artois out of Allo Allo being caught red handed with the barmaid by his Mrs and coming up with some wildly implausible explanation to distract her.

    The fact that there is any alternative at all no matter how wild is better than no alternative, as to what two burly Russian gentlemen in their 30's, on a weekend outing from Moscow, were doing coincidentally near chez Skripal (out of 20million plus homes in the UK), just before they caught a flight back to Russia and the Skripal's were then, amazingly found poisoned with a nerve agent apparently traceable to Russia.

    Of course the only person swallowing this and playing the part of the gullible Mrs Artois is an elderly gentleman from Islington. There's always one.
    Craig Murray is doing his usual pro-Russia jig. The Corbyn outriders love him.
  • stodgestodge Posts: 14,485

    I let they were unimpressed with Stonehenge just like most people which visit it.

    I wasn't.

    We used to go to St Ives on family holidays which in the early 1970s meant a 4am start and a nine hour journey. Dad would drive us to Stonehenge and in the pre-dawn we'd get out and walk among the stones which you could back then.

    Even as a young Stodge, it was a wondrous thing to be among the stones in the early morning sunshine.
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 51,292
    I see the Board of Deputies is in action again, I am sure that PB's finest loathers of anti-semitism will want the perpetrators suspended and disciplined:

    https://twitter.com/joncstone/status/1040201726891044865?s=19
  • felixfelix Posts: 15,180

    You can't buy Thunderball lottery tickets in Moscow.
    There is though pussy galore I'm told.
  • Beverley_CBeverley_C Posts: 6,256
    tpfkar said:

    If I was doing a weekend's sightseeing from Moscow to Salisbury, is it plausible that I wouldn't visit Stonehenge? Famous world-wide and 10km out of Salisbury.

    I worked a few miles from Stonehenge for 3 years. I never went to see it.

    It is only a bunch of rocks....
  • welshowlwelshowl Posts: 4,464
    Foxy said:

    I see the Board of Deputies is in action again, I am sure that PB's finest loathers of anti-semitism will want the perpetrators suspended and disciplined:

    https://twitter.com/joncstone/status/1040201726891044865?s=19

    Well they are all being made redundant in about 6 months.......
  • TGOHFTGOHF Posts: 21,633
    Roaming charges in the EU after Brexit ?

    https://twitter.com/ThreeUK/status/1040008058922037249
  • RobDRobD Posts: 60,365
    TGOHF said:

    Roaming charges in the EU after Brexit ?

    https://twitter.com/ThreeUK/status/1040008058922037249

    Utterly moot as there will be no flights to the EU for anyone to go there.
  • felixfelix Posts: 15,180
    tpfkar said:

    There was an internal newsletter / opinion collection called the Free Radical, not sure if there still is. So you're not the first with that idea.
    I thought free radicals were good for the skin - because they're worth it?
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 56,022

    Not precisely correct to say that when you see the spire "you're nearly home" more accurately you're near the end of the long queue of traffic waiting to get in to the city.
    Ha ha, yes I’ll give you that, especially so at 6pm. Still easier to sit in that queue than the one past Stonehenge though, which is the alternative.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 83,554
    edited September 2018
    TGOHF said:

    Roaming charges in the EU after Brexit ?

    https://twitter.com/ThreeUK/status/1040008058922037249

    No-deal Brexit won't bring back mobile roaming charges - minister

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-45501007

    I am not sure who Sky's government sources are, but I think they need some new ones.
  • glwglw Posts: 10,367
    TGOHF said:

    Roaming charges in the EU after Brexit ?

    https://twitter.com/ThreeUK/status/1040008058922037249

    As Three quite rightly point out companies didn't have to impose ruinous roaming charges before, they chose to do so.
  • Cyclefree said:

    I told you so. Raab had a tin ear when he hit out at JL. What on earth has got into the Tories that makes them almost automatically criticise those who ought to be their natural supporters?
    A mate of mine does merchandise displays at JL branches. He remarked to me months ago how devoid of customers their stores were looking these days.
  • felixfelix Posts: 15,180
    RobD said:

    Utterly moot as there will be no flights to the EU for anyone to go there.
    The free roaming is a bit of a scam anyway - the phone companies found a way to charge us when we visited Italy in June. I suspect it will be kept anyway but not something I can get overly bothered about.
  • welshowlwelshowl Posts: 4,464
    RobD said:

    Utterly moot as there will be no flights to the EU for anyone to go there.
    Do we get to select which one of the four horsemen of the apocalypse gets us? Or is it just pot luck? It's a shame too Easter is quite late this year because I doubt any of us are going to make it that far.
  • stodge said:

    I wasn't.

    We used to go to St Ives on family holidays which in the early 1970s meant a 4am start and a nine hour journey. Dad would drive us to Stonehenge and in the pre-dawn we'd get out and walk among the stones which you could back then.

    Even as a young Stodge, it was a wondrous thing to be among the stones in the early morning sunshine.
    The most noticeable spectacle up there when I last passed was the fields of pigs and their accompanying shit. We are looking at building a tunnel at the cost of unknown millions to protect the world heritage site whilst the local farmer has peppered the surrounding countryside with pig huts in an apparent attempt to construct Wiltshire's own favela.
  • TGOHF said:

    Roaming charges in the EU after Brexit ?

    https://twitter.com/ThreeUK/status/1040008058922037249

    Guido links to a Sun story last night that the top 4 UK mobile companies (85% of the market) have agreed with the UK Government that they will not charge roaming fees in the EU after Brexit.
  • CyclefreeCyclefree Posts: 25,651
    Foxy said:

    I see the Board of Deputies is in action again, I am sure that PB's finest loathers of anti-semitism will want the perpetrators suspended and disciplined:

    https://twitter.com/joncstone/status/1040201726891044865?s=19

    Quite right. What on earth are the Tories doing siding with Orban? They have forgotten what they are supposed to stand for.

    Anyway, the sun is shining so have work to do and will do it in the garden while we still have it.

    Till later.
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 56,022

    No-deal Brexit won't bring back mobile roaming charges - minister

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-45501007

    I am not sure who Sky's government sources are, but I think they need some new ones.
    Sky will interview anyone and quote anyone who says Brexit is bad. See Faisal Islam having a row with the Civil Aviation Authority yesterday for yet another example.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 76,813
    Foxy said:

    I see the Board of Deputies is in action again, I am sure that PB's finest loathers of anti-semitism will want the perpetrators suspended and disciplined:

    https://twitter.com/joncstone/status/1040201726891044865?s=19

    That is pretty disgusting. However, it should be noted that there were a few honourable exceptions...
    the Tories were the only governing conservative party in western Europe to vote against the move.

    Of the Tory MEPs, only Nosheena Mobarik rebelled to vote for the motion, while two others, Charles Tannock and Sajjad Karim, abstained. Separately, Richard Ashworth and Julie Girling, who were elected as Conservatives but left their political group over Brexit and do not take the whip, also backed action....
  • welshowlwelshowl Posts: 4,464

    No-deal Brexit won't bring back mobile roaming charges - minister

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-45501007

    I am not sure who Sky's government sources are, but I think they need some new ones.
    To my view Sky really is becoming unhinged in its seemingly endless desire to find the downside in everything. Their right and all that, but really?
  • welshowl said:

    Do we get to select which one of the four horsemen of the apocalypse gets us? Or is it just pot luck? It's a shame too Easter is quite late this year because I doubt any of us are going to make it that far.
    I believe they'll be allocated out on a fair basis. I'm hoping that War gets me. Unless it's all an elaborate computer virus as in Red Dwarf
  • glwglw Posts: 10,367

    Guido links to a Sun story last night that the top 4 UK mobile companies (85% of the market) have agreed with the UK Government that they will not charge roaming fees in the EU after Brexit.
    I would expect the big 4 to act in lockstep. Nobody wants to be seen as the rip-off network. But at some point they might choose to let roaming charges lag behind UK charges, as UK networks have relatively poor ARPU (believe it or not our carriers are really quite cheap) and roaming has in the past been a nice little earner.
  • Has a bigger OLED screen, battery life, and half a terabyte storage for starters.
    Sorry, missed this reply.

    And next years will have an even bigger OLED screen, even more battery life, and a terabyte of storage. People should stop paying through the nose to be early adopters, ,and use last year's tech instead, so the big tech companies don't skim them, and the people who design modules for their chips don't earn as much ...

    Oh hang on, please buy two. ;)
  • Sandpit said:

    Ha ha, yes I’ll give you that, especially so at 6pm. Still easier to sit in that queue than the one past Stonehenge though, which is the alternative.
    I avoid both - only in Salisbury could the council planners grant planning permission for the construction of a supermarket in a location that means that traffic on the A36, one of the main trunk roads from west to east, have to give way to shoppers leaving Tesco.
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 54,577
    Cyclefree said:

    Quite right. What on earth are the Tories doing siding with Orban? They have forgotten what they are supposed to stand for.

    Anyway, the sun is shining so have work to do and will do it in the garden while we still have it.

    Till later.
    Who knows what they were thinking. Some high-ground issue about the EU imposing a silencing of all of Hungary's MEPs, I assume - but it was rotten politics regardless.

    The best thing we can do is to get rid of all Tory MEPs.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 83,554
    edited September 2018
    Those who stick up for Orban should rightly be criticized. I personally wouldn't patronize the place with my business because of it.

    However, the EU rebuke is as much about the fact along with Hungary a number of former Eastern block countries are increasingly causing trouble for the EU project as they have agreed privately to work together to leverage their positions. Orban is the one driving this.
  • Dura_AceDura_Ace Posts: 14,338
    Foxy said:

    I see the Board of Deputies is in action again, I am sure that PB's finest loathers of anti-semitism will want the perpetrators suspended and disciplined:

    The PB tories are only very recent converts to the cause of identity politics (anti semitism sub-genus). You'll have to give them a few minutes.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 76,813
    edited September 2018

    I'd pick Anderson for bowler.

    Has to be Botham for all rounder.
    Grace and Hobbs were, each in their own way, nonpareils, whereas other countries have had bowlers and all rounders whom I'd pick before either Truman or (possibly) Botham.

    We do have one test bowler who has no real equivalent:
    189 wickets at 16.43 in only 27 tests... SF Barnes - who declined an test place at the age of 47, as the administrators wouldn't pay for his family to accompany him on tour.
  • tlg86tlg86 Posts: 26,539

    Those who stick up for Orban should rightly be criticized. I personally wouldn't patronize the place with my business because of it.

    However, the EU rebuke is as much about the fact along with Hungary a number of former Eastern block countries are increasingly causing trouble for the EU project as they have agreed privately to work together to leverage their positions. Orban is the one driving this.

    It's virtue signalling. If they don't like them, kick 'em out.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 76,813
    So long as he doesn't try to run as an independent when he fails to secure the nomination...
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 83,554
    edited September 2018
    tlg86 said:

    It's virtue signalling. If they don't like them, kick 'em out.
    The EU were warned when they expanded that a number of countries were really unsuitable, in fact they ignored their own reports into things like crime, rampant corruption and poor governance, which is suppose to be a disqualifier for being given the option to join.

    Bulgaria is worse than ever and their president vetoed attempts to do anything to address it.
  • It seems the Salisbury Tourist Board's tie-up with little-known Russia ad agency GRU didn't go too well. It only attracted two tourists, but at least they visited twice.
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 54,577
    Anyone from Moscow explained how these "tourists" had traces of Novichok in their London hotel room?
  • Scott_P said:
    EU driving licence holders, visiting or living in the UK after exit
    After exit day on 29 March 2019, arrangements for EU licence holders who are visiting or living in the UK would not change.

    For visitors, with driving licences from EU or non-EU countries like the USA, Canada, Serbia, Japan and New Zealand will enjoy the same arrangements as today. The UK does not require visiting motorists, for example those coming to the UK on holiday or who wish to drive on business, to hold a separate IDP to guarantee the recognition of their driving licence.


    At least one of us is playing at grown ups....
  • GIN1138GIN1138 Posts: 22,867
    edited September 2018
    Has Jezza called on Theresa May to apologize to Alexander Petrov and Ruslan Boshirov yet?

    :D
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 76,813
    Is this a snide dig from Ted Cruz at Trump's obviously artificially coloured locks ?
    https://www.politico.com/story/2018/09/13/california-trump-gop-attacks-midterms-818418
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 56,022

    I avoid both - only in Salisbury could the council planners grant planning permission for the construction of a supermarket in a location that means that traffic on the A36, one of the main trunk roads from west to east, have to give way to shoppers leaving Tesco.
    Indeed. Salisbury’s not a place to live if you don’t like the traffic. When I lived there I either worked a mile from home, was on the train to London or out of the door by car at 6am, so I managed to avoid it most of the time!
  • glwglw Posts: 10,367

    Anyone from Moscow explained how these "tourists" had traces of Novichok in their London hotel room?

    Well clearly they visited the world famous front door of Sergei Skripal's home, and accidentally came in contact with the door handle. They probably only missed bumping into the real assassins by minutes.
  • Scott_P said:
    Below the breathless headline is the solution you may need to spend £5.50 on an IDP. As you already do travelling elsewhere.

    Forget no deal, more like big deal.
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 54,577
    tlg86 said:

    It's virtue signalling. If they don't like them, kick 'em out.
    Orban is just as likely to threaten to bung in an Article 50 notice - and put the EU on notice that he is going to set up a mid-European Singapore in their midst....
  • glw said:

    Well clearly they visited the world famous front door of Sergei Skripal's home, and accidentally came in contact with the door handle. They probably only missed bumping into the real assassins by minutes.
    And the reason they visited twice was because there was too much snow on the ground on the first day.......said the Russians, who have never had snow on their boots...
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 54,577
    glw said:

    Well clearly they visited the world famous front door of Sergei Skripal's home, and accidentally came in contact with the door handle. They probably only missed bumping into the real assassins by minutes.
    You mean, they were tailing the guys from Porton Down? They should offer to do a photofit then. Being such civic-minded citizens and that....
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 79,235
    Apple's batteries look puny from what I can see. Not even breaking 3 Ampere hours !
  • AlanbrookeAlanbrooke Posts: 25,789

    Below the breathless headline is the solution you may need to spend £5.50 on an IDP. As you already do travelling elsewhere.

    Forget no deal, more like big deal.
    Much ado about nothing looks like it will be playing country wide all the way to March next year
  • Orban is just as likely to threaten to bung in an Article 50 notice - and put the EU on notice that he is going to set up a mid-European Singapore in their midst....
    Would be fun if he did
  • Much ado about nothing looks like it will be playing country wide all the way to March next year
    Not for car manufacturing, if there's no deal:

    https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/vehicle-type-approval-if-theres-no-brexit-deal/vehicle-type-approval-if-theres-no-brexit-deal#before-29-march-2019
  • Below the breathless headline is the solution you may need to spend £5.50 on an IDP. As you already do travelling elsewhere.

    Forget no deal, more like big deal.
    That will cut both ways presumably?
  • Cyclefree said:

    Quite right. What on earth are the Tories doing siding with Orban? They have forgotten what they are supposed to stand for.

    Anyway, the sun is shining so have work to do and will do it in the garden while we still have it.

    Till later.
    The answer to almost all 'What on earth are the Tories doing' type questions is because they've shat the bed over Brexit.
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 54,577
    The GRU poisoner's modus operandi: Leave and Let Die.....
  • Nigelb said:

    Is this a snide dig from Ted Cruz at Trump's obviously artificially coloured locks ?
    https://www.politico.com/story/2018/09/13/california-trump-gop-attacks-midterms-818418

    Probably a bit too subtle against someone whose benchmarks are your dad assassinated JFK and your wife's a dog.
  • That will cut both ways presumably?
    No, the government has very sensibly said we'd recognise EU licences.

    If the EU want to shoot themselves in the foot by making it more difficult for UK tourists to visit them, more fool them.
  • AlanbrookeAlanbrooke Posts: 25,789

    Not for car manufacturing, if there's no deal:

    https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/vehicle-type-approval-if-theres-no-brexit-deal/vehicle-type-approval-if-theres-no-brexit-deal#before-29-march-2019
    its the same withaircraft IIRC as components fly back and forth. So the question is are the UK and EU going to close down two of their important industries ?

    Personally I dont think they will.
  • brendan16brendan16 Posts: 2,315

    EU driving licence holders, visiting or living in the UK after exit
    After exit day on 29 March 2019, arrangements for EU licence holders who are visiting or living in the UK would not change.

    For visitors, with driving licences from EU or non-EU countries like the USA, Canada, Serbia, Japan and New Zealand will enjoy the same arrangements as today. The UK does not require visiting motorists, for example those coming to the UK on holiday or who wish to drive on business, to hold a separate IDP to guarantee the recognition of their driving licence.


    At least one of us is playing at grown ups....
    The IDP is valid for a year, can be bought at post offices and costs less than a single one way allocated seat on Ryanair. You do wonder how some of the more hysterical snowflakes ever manage to travel anywhere at all or indeed drive abroad on the right side of the road assuming they are even capable of finding the car hire desk.
  • brendan16 said:

    The IDP is valid for a year, can be bought at post offices and costs less than a single one way allocated seat on Ryanair. You do wonder how some of the more hysterical snowflakes ever manage to travel anywhere at all or indeed drive abroad on the right side of the road assuming they are even capable of finding the car hire desk.
    I remember when Leavers said Brexit would reduce bureaucracy and cost.
  • its the same withaircraft IIRC as components fly back and forth. So the question is are the UK and EU going to close down two of their important industries ?

    Personally I dont think they will.
    Nor do I. I think a deal will be done.

    What these documents highlight is what utter chaos (to both sides) would ensue if there is literally no deal. It's frankly unthinkable, but there's a non-negligible risk that it could happen almost by accident.
  • NEW THREAD

  • AlanbrookeAlanbrooke Posts: 25,789

    Nor do I. I think a deal will be done.

    What these documents highlight is what utter chaos (to both sides) would ensue if there is literally no deal. It's frankly unthinkable, but there's a non-negligible risk that it could happen almost by accident.
    the HMG documents actually look fairly sensible.

    Here's the issue this is what you must do about it, And as you say it cuts both ways.
  • No, the government has very sensibly said we'd recognise EU licences.

    If the EU want to shoot themselves in the foot by making it more difficult for UK tourists to visit them, more fool them.
    On a road transport note. I used to work for a road repairing company where over half the truck drivers were Romanian. Will the UK still recognise foreign drivers CPC card? This is seperate to a HGV card.
    To be honest, the whole scheme is a bit rubbish as it's about showing continuous training and you can compete the same module 5 times to pass.
  • mattmatt Posts: 3,789

    A mate of mine does merchandise displays at JL branches. He remarked to me months ago how devoid of customers their stores were looking these days.
    The detail seems to be that the never knowingly undersold promise is pulling their margins down. The desperate attempts by HoF, Debenhams, M&S etc to generate footfall are having an indirect effect. It's not really a story of Brexit, it's a story of competitors supporting themselves by cramming down their creditors and JL not doing so. The rescue culture isn't always positive.
  • RobDRobD Posts: 60,365
    New thread.
  • notmenotme Posts: 3,293
    Dura_Ace said:

    The PB tories are only very recent converts to the cause of identity politics (anti semitism sub-genus). You'll have to give them a few minutes.
    The rules to Identity Politics are available for us all now. It gave us Brexit and Trump. Its amazing when some people work out how a much smaller group managed to impose their will on a majority of people, while scorning much of what they stand for.

    Brexit is worth it off it all it does is flush out those who used to successfully hide their prejudices and contempt for working people.
  • malcolmgmalcolmg Posts: 44,107
    Nigelb said:

    Scottish chav ?
    Well done Nigel
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 127,138
    edited September 2018
    And how many of those who prefer him vote Labour or LD not Tory? I have no great problem with Javid but it is Tory members he needs to convince after he backed the Chequers Deal
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