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The Far Left have been riding the same hobby horses for decades. Why anyone would expect them to suddenly transform into pragmatists and master politicians the second they had a sniff of real power is beyond me.rottenborough said:https://twitter.com/stephenkb/status/1024765777486983169
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Now that's how to troll on twitter.rottenborough said:
I'm just going to have a laugh at the indignant responses. I wonder how long before someone mentions "Bliar" or Iraq?
EDIT: First response mentioned illegal wars. Fish/barrel/gun.0 -
Is Corbyn in trouble?0
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Ok, let's get back to betting.
Jezza falls this weekend (can you imagine what the Sunday papers are working on as we speak/type?).
Thornberry or McD as emergency leader replacement?0 -
More than any time so far. Even Momentum are wavering by the sound of things.Jonathan said:Is Corbyn in trouble?
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Neither. It would be Tom Watson.rottenborough said:Ok, let's get back to betting.
Jezza falls this weekend (can you imagine what the Sunday papers are working on as we speak/type?).
Thornberry or McD as emergency leader replacement?0 -
Nah. Worst that'll happen to him is he might be forced to mumble one or two more reluctant apologies that the media manage to drag from his mouth like so many pulled teeth. The party membership is four-square behind him and haven't been put off by any of this sort of thing before. A lot of them still think he's a victim of conspiracy.Jonathan said:Is Corbyn in trouble?
Hacks will get bored of this and the bandwagon will roll on to some other subject in the next few days. He'll be fine.0 -
They also split at the drop of a hat. So the forthcoming massive split/bust up over the Holocaust will be explosive.Acorn_Antiques said:
The Far Left have been riding the same hobby horses for decades. Why anyone would expect them to suddenly transform into pragmatists and master politicians the second they had a sniff of real power is beyond me.rottenborough said:https://twitter.com/stephenkb/status/1024765777486983169
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Newsnight going on Vaz bullying.....
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Presumably Tom Watson gets the gig by default.rottenborough said:Ok, let's get back to betting.
Jezza falls this weekend (can you imagine what the Sunday papers are working on as we speak/type?).
Thornberry or McD as emergency leader replacement?
But Corbyn won't be doing anywhere. Besides anything else, don't the leadership rules under which he was elected still apply? If he goes, does his tendency have enough votes to get a continuity candidate over the threshold?0 -
You forgot the way Jewish Bankers control the whole economic system.SeanT said:
Quite.rottenborough said:https://twitter.com/stephenkb/status/1024765777486983169
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After some chat witll well informed lefty friends, I have come to the inevitable conclusion that Corbyn is a full-fat, guaranteed, copper-bottomed, chateau-bottled, quality controlled A1 Anti-Semite. A proper Hater of Jews.
He really really genuinely dislikes Jews, as Jews. He thinks Jews are at very best rich capitalists and Tories, and more usually they are bloodsucking Zionist Israeli-defenders and little better than Nazis. Possibly worse.
He would be the first truly anti-Semitic prime minister of the UK, I think?0 -
I'm not so convinced.Acorn_Antiques said:
Nah. Worst that'll happen to him is he might be forced to mumble one or two more reluctant apologies that the media manage to drag from his mouth like so many pulled teeth. The party membership is four-square behind him and haven't been put off by any of this sort of thing before. A lot of them still think he's a victim of conspiracy.Jonathan said:Is Corbyn in trouble?
Hacks will get bored of this and the bandwagon will roll on to some other subject in the next few days. He'll be fine.0 -
Surely he's fuckedFrancisUrquhart said:0 -
Please let him be fuckedRochdalePioneers said:
Surely he's fuckedFrancisUrquhart said:0 -
You keep saying this but this is not going away much as you may wish.Acorn_Antiques said:
Nah. Worst that'll happen to him is he might be forced to mumble one or two more reluctant apologies that the media manage to drag from his mouth like so many pulled teeth. The party membership is four-square behind him and haven't been put off by any of this sort of thing before. A lot of them still think he's a victim of conspiracy.Jonathan said:Is Corbyn in trouble?
Hacks will get bored of this and the bandwagon will roll on to some other subject in the next few days. He'll be fine.
It is engulfing the labour party0 -
Because unless he's fucked we're fucked.RochdalePioneers said:
Please let him be fuckedRochdalePioneers said:
Surely he's fuckedFrancisUrquhart said:0 -
The Cult plan to fight back. On Twitter of course:
https://twitter.com/TheProleStar/status/10247639847785512990 -
Diane has already tried that ...RochdalePioneers said:
Please let him be fuckedRochdalePioneers said:
Surely he's fuckedFrancisUrquhart said:0 -
I mean WeAreCorbyn? This is pure cultism of the highest order.
No you are not, you are individual people/voters/members who should have their own thoughts and opinions. Not a mad smartmob.
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David Lloyd George and Arthur Balfour both say hello:SeanT said:
Quite.rottenborough said:https://twitter.com/stephenkb/status/1024765777486983169
Answers on a postcard.
After some chat witll well informed lefty friends, I have come to the inevitable conclusion that Corbyn is a full-fat, guaranteed, copper-bottomed, chateau-bottled, quality controlled A1 Anti-Semite. A proper Hater of Jews.
He really really genuinely dislikes Jews, as Jews. He thinks Jews are at very best rich capitalists and Tories, and more usually they are bloodsucking Zionist Israeli-defenders and little better than Nazis. Possibly worse.
He would be the first truly anti-Semitic prime minister of the UK, I think?
https://foreignpolicy.com/2010/09/08/how-anti-semitism-helped-create-israel-2/
And if we include Heads of Government from before the time of Prime Minsters, I think King Edward I might feel a little surprised at being told Corbyn is more antisemitic than him:
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Damn, you beat me to it!oxfordsimon said:
Diane has already tried that ...RochdalePioneers said:
Please let him be fuckedRochdalePioneers said:
Surely he's fuckedFrancisUrquhart said:0 -
https://twitter.com/JVoiceLabour/status/1024768807141863424
Splitters. The Peoples' front of Judea v Popular front of Judea or something similar.0 -
Sky paper review dreadful for Corbyn. Speculation just how much longer he can survive0
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I think it will smoulder on, but it is not fatal. None of this is surprising and most was talked about in his first election campaign.Acorn_Antiques said:
Nah. Worst that'll happen to him is he might be forced to mumble one or two more reluctant apologies that the media manage to drag from his mouth like so many pulled teeth. The party membership is four-square behind him and haven't been put off by any of this sort of thing before. A lot of them still think he's a victim of conspiracy.Jonathan said:Is Corbyn in trouble?
Hacks will get bored of this and the bandwagon will roll on to some other subject in the next few days. He'll be fine.
It is particularly fractious at the moment because of the NEC elections, and the policy mKing role of this.0 -
The lack of clarity making his joke about eastern Europeans not funny any more was excellent.SeanT said:
He's seriously funny, despite being a raving lefty. I love his Brexit skit.williamglenn said:
Talking of which, Stewart Lee has some good Brexit jokes:ydoethur said:
You remember the famous time Jim Naughtie got a bit tongue twisted over our esteemed Foreign Secretary's surname?Charles said:
Why was he banned?ydoethur said:
No but with Sunil having disgraced himself I thought somebody should make the effort!Benpointer said:
Very good! Have you stared writing for the Daily Mash?ydoethur said:
It was announced today that world popcorn prices have risen 55% in just 12 hours.TheScreamingEagles said:
'It was bad enough with Brexit, trade wars and a crappy new Star Wars film every five minutes,' said Mr B N D Grain, wholesaler, 'but with Corbyn having to prove every five minutes he's not a rabid anti-Semite, Macron sucking up to every world leader and now Trump being interviewed by the fuzz, we just can't cope.'
It is not thought popcorn supplies will be vitally affected by Brexit, as most of them are imported from random places. However, Mr Jeremy Hunt, Foreign Secretary, says 'I understand all supplies come from Japan, er, China. I would advise everyone to stock up as much as possible in case I've seriously pissed off all the Chinese by calling them Japs and they close the boarders.'
President Trump said, 'Popcorn and banged grainy porn stars will Make America Great Again, and I have not obstructed justice by threatening to have all lawyers shot even though it's all over my Twitter feed.'
That's why.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/b0bdcnwq/stewart-lee-content-provider
Incidentally the bit he says "not all Brexit voters are racists... some are.... c*nts" has provoked lively debate on Twitter.
Some hardcore Remainers just love it (obv). Some are troubled by it but claim he is actually satirising the snobbish attitudes of Remainers. I am unsure.
He is a very clever comic so maybe it is the latter. But he surely hopes to win the applause of the former, even more. He is a mirror image of Ricky Gervais and Sacha Cohen, who are both - I suspect - really quite right wing, and who manage to make non-PC, even racist jokes, under the guise of "irony" and "post modern self satire".0 -
Short term, no. Longer term, maybe, since his baggage seems at least partly to blame as to why Labour are not pulling ahead. If he can anoint a successor I'd think he might go in a year or so, but I don't think it's a given, he could still win a GE and there's no reason to believe the general membership have turned on him, and unless they do his critics won't do more than grumble.Jonathan said:Is Corbyn in trouble?
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Keith Vaz coming across as a complete and utter c***0
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You think I want this to go away? You fundamentally misread my motives, sir. My concern is that it will go away, because I am both a cynic and a pessimist. If the Labour Party went down in flames then I would be delighted - although the overriding priority is that the Corbyn tendency should fall from power, and the country thus be saved from them. Even a soft Left Labour Government (in fact, depending on exactly what it set out to do, there could be some important benefits to such an outcome,) would be infinitely preferable to the continuation of Far Left control, even if confined to Opposition.Big_G_NorthWales said:
You keep saying this but this is not going away much as you may wish.Acorn_Antiques said:
Nah. Worst that'll happen to him is he might be forced to mumble one or two more reluctant apologies that the media manage to drag from his mouth like so many pulled teeth. The party membership is four-square behind him and haven't been put off by any of this sort of thing before. A lot of them still think he's a victim of conspiracy.Jonathan said:Is Corbyn in trouble?
Hacks will get bored of this and the bandwagon will roll on to some other subject in the next few days. He'll be fine.
It is engulfing the labour party
Labour is morphing into a hideous chimera - one part SWP, one part BNP - and the thought of it actually ruling the country is almost too horrible to contemplate. If it were either to collapse or to pull itself back from the brink, and we were thus to be saved from such a distasteful prospect, it would be a cause for relief and for much celebration.0 -
The collapse of Momentum is what kills him.0
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Not to say more, ahem, recent royals. Certainly in the company they kept.ydoethur said:
David Lloyd George and Arthur Balfour both say hello:SeanT said:
Quite.rottenborough said:https://twitter.com/stephenkb/status/1024765777486983169
Answers on a postcard.
After some chat witll well informed lefty friends, I have come to the inevitable conclusion that Corbyn is a full-fat, guaranteed, copper-bottomed, chateau-bottled, quality controlled A1 Anti-Semite. A proper Hater of Jews.
He really really genuinely dislikes Jews, as Jews. He thinks Jews are at very best rich capitalists and Tories, and more usually they are bloodsucking Zionist Israeli-defenders and little better than Nazis. Possibly worse.
He would be the first truly anti-Semitic prime minister of the UK, I think?
https://foreignpolicy.com/2010/09/08/how-anti-semitism-helped-create-israel-2/
And if we include Heads of Government from before the time of Prime Minsters, I think King Edward I might feel a little surprised at being told Corbyn is more antisemitic than him:
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Edict_of_Expulsion0 -
The Left are tearing themselves apart tonight, as they always were likely to do.
Better this happens outside of Government.
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Excellent repost - completely agreeAcorn_Antiques said:
You think I want this to go away? You fundamentally misread my motives, sir. My concern is that it will go away, because I am both a cynic and a pessimist. If the Labour Party went down in flames then I would be delighted - although the overriding priority is that the Corbyn tendency should fall from power, and the country thus be saved from them. Even a soft Left Labour Government (in fact, depending on exactly what it set out to do, there could be some important benefits to such an outcome,) would be infinitely preferable to the continuation of Far Left control, even if confined to Opposition.Big_G_NorthWales said:
You keep saying this but this is not going away much as you may wish.Acorn_Antiques said:
Nah. Worst that'll happen to him is he might be forced to mumble one or two more reluctant apologies that the media manage to drag from his mouth like so many pulled teeth. The party membership is four-square behind him and haven't been put off by any of this sort of thing before. A lot of them still think he's a victim of conspiracy.Jonathan said:Is Corbyn in trouble?
Hacks will get bored of this and the bandwagon will roll on to some other subject in the next few days. He'll be fine.
It is engulfing the labour party
Labour is morphing into a hideous chimera - one part SWP, one part BNP - and the thought of it actually ruling the country is almost too horrible to contemplate. If it were either to collapse or to pull itself back from the brink, and we were thus to be saved from such a distasteful prospect, it would be a cause for relief and for much celebration.0 -
About as surprising as finding out Jezza calls terrorists friends.MarqueeMark said:Keith Vaz coming across as a complete and utter c***
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We. Are. Legion.rottenborough said:The Cult plan to fight back. On Twitter of course:
https://twitter.com/TheProleStar/status/10247639847785512990 -
I think McDonnell is in trouble on this too, supporting some pretty nasty "antizionist" groups. He's already been tainted by the "remove the word Holocaust from Holocaust memorial day" campaign he signed up to, and there's more to come.SeanT said:
I think yes, he is, this time. He refuses to believe he can make a moral error. And he is a genuine anti-Semite. The combo is explosive, and others around him can see it, hence the distancing by the (much more cunning) John McDonnellJonathan said:Is Corbyn in trouble?
He may well survive (summer helps). But this story will run.0 -
There may be a reason for that of course.MarqueeMark said:Keith Vaz coming across as a complete and utter c***
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Even in the extremely unlikely event that Jezza is in trouble, McIRA is standing in the wings to take over and unlike Jezza he isn't a total moron and far more cunning / willing to tell any amount of lies required.0
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Corbyn is safe for as long as he wants (which might be less long than people expect).
But, when he goes, the full hard-lefty-on-hard-lefty civil war is going to be a sight to behold.0 -
Speaking of the NEC, lefties, and so forth, what does Edward of Izzard have to say about it all?0
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Well that happened sooner than I thought.Anorak said:
I think McDonnell is in trouble on this too, supporting some pretty nasty "antizionist" groups. He's already been tainted by the "remove the word Holocaust from Holocaust memorial day" campaign he signed up to, and there's more to come.SeanT said:
I think yes, he is, this time. He refuses to believe he can make a moral error. And he is a genuine anti-Semite. The combo is explosive, and others around him can see it, hence the distancing by the (much more cunning) John McDonnellJonathan said:Is Corbyn in trouble?
He may well survive (summer helps). But this story will run.
https://twitter.com/TheRedRoar/status/10247742334471782410 -
It's not a case of wishing that to happen. Although there are a few more people now saying Corbyn himself is an anti semite, if passively, I don't see that much has changed since the last time this story made headlines. Indeed, i have to think if these reported events he hosted or spoke at are ones we already heard about.Big_G_NorthWales said:
You keep saying this but this is not going away much as you may wish.Acorn_Antiques said:
Nah. Worst that'll happen to him is he might be forced to mumble one or two more reluctant apologies that the media manage to drag from his mouth like so many pulled teeth. The party membership is four-square behind him and haven't been put off by any of this sort of thing before. A lot of them still think he's a victim of conspiracy.Jonathan said:Is Corbyn in trouble?
Hacks will get bored of this and the bandwagon will roll on to some other subject in the next few days. He'll be fine.
It is engulfing the labour party
Sure, some are grimbling that Corbyn is not abLe to stop this story completely, but it doesn't seem much different to before.
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Looks as if McDonnell might be about to be stitched up.
https://www.theguardian.com/news/2018/aug/01/john-mcdonnell-praised-anti-zionist-network-ijan-accused-antisemitism
An early day motion from October 2008 has been found.0 -
Entertainingly, his is the voice of reason:TOPPING said:Speaking of the NEC, lefties, and so forth, what does Edward of Izzard have to say about it all?
https://www.theguardian.com/news/2018/jul/21/labour-antisemitism-losing-war-eddie-izzard-jeremy-corbyn
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Oh, those chickens are heading home...Anorak said:
Well that happened sooner than I thought.Anorak said:
I think McDonnell is in trouble on this too, supporting some pretty nasty "antizionist" groups. He's already been tainted by the "remove the word Holocaust from Holocaust memorial day" campaign he signed up to, and there's more to come.SeanT said:
I think yes, he is, this time. He refuses to believe he can make a moral error. And he is a genuine anti-Semite. The combo is explosive, and others around him can see it, hence the distancing by the (much more cunning) John McDonnellJonathan said:Is Corbyn in trouble?
He may well survive (summer helps). But this story will run.
https://twitter.com/TheRedRoar/status/10247742334471782410 -
Such lovely people in charge of the Labour party....0
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Regular reminder: the vast majority of the populace isn't on Twitter. Most voters are barely aware of this issue. Most of those who are probably don't care all that much, or think this is a storm in a teacup whipped up by Labour's opponents. And a lot of people who do take these things in will just engage in a bit of mental whataboutery and conclude that the Tories are just as bad.rottenborough said:
This whole farrago might bring Corbyn down, but let's just say I'll believe it when I see it. Certainly I've not even made the trip to the wine shop yet, let alone bought the Champagne and put it on ice.0 -
I do miss Ed Miliband. I thought he would be PM and I was ok with that, even though I preferred a continuation of the Coalition.0
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Oh, hush. Let us all enjoy it without your unnecessary party-pooping.Acorn_Antiques said:
Regular reminder: the vast majority of the populace isn't on Twitter. Most voters are barely aware of this issue. Most of those who are probably don't care all that much, or think this is a storm in a teacup whipped up by Labour's opponents. And a lot of people who do take these things in will just engage in a bit of mental whataboutery and conclude that the Tories are just as bad.rottenborough said:
This whole farrago might bring Corbyn down, but let's just say I'll believe it when I see it. Certainly I've not even made the trip to the wine shop yet, let alone bought the Champagne and put it on ice.0 -
Aren't EDMs pretry meaningless. Corbyn, and I presume McDonnell, have already been taken to task for various other ones before. Not meaning to be glum, but is it a smoking gun?dr_spyn said:Looks as if McDonnell might be about to be stitched up.
https://www.theguardian.com/news/2018/aug/01/john-mcdonnell-praised-anti-zionist-network-ijan-accused-antisemitism
An early day motion from October 2008 has been found.0 -
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Ah yes. Thanks.Richard_Nabavi said:
Entertainingly, his is the voice of reason:TOPPING said:Speaking of the NEC, lefties, and so forth, what does Edward of Izzard have to say about it all?
https://www.theguardian.com/news/2018/jul/21/labour-antisemitism-losing-war-eddie-izzard-jeremy-corbyn
I have a very great deal of time for him. Not only because in times gone by when going to see him (from tiny places above strip joints in Soho to huge theatres) he has made me laugh so much I couldn't breathe, but also, for me he is a proper lefty - idealistic, perhaps naive, but heart 100% in the right place, with no nobbuts or exceptions.
Very happy to see that he is on the right side of this one.
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I prefer John Loony's expression here: "The lemmings are coming home to roost....."rottenborough said:
Oh, those chickens are heading home...Anorak said:
Well that happened sooner than I thought.Anorak said:
I think McDonnell is in trouble on this too, supporting some pretty nasty "antizionist" groups. He's already been tainted by the "remove the word Holocaust from Holocaust memorial day" campaign he signed up to, and there's more to come.SeanT said:
I think yes, he is, this time. He refuses to believe he can make a moral error. And he is a genuine anti-Semite. The combo is explosive, and others around him can see it, hence the distancing by the (much more cunning) John McDonnellJonathan said:Is Corbyn in trouble?
He may well survive (summer helps). But this story will run.
https://twitter.com/TheRedRoar/status/10247742334471782410 -
True. Most of the population are on holiday, or desperately waiting to go this weekend. Still we should enjoy our popcorn, even if nobody else is.Anorak said:
Oh, hush. Let us all enjoy it without your unnecessary party-pooping.Acorn_Antiques said:
Regular reminder: the vast majority of the populace isn't on Twitter. Most voters are barely aware of this issue. Most of those who are probably don't care all that much, or think this is a storm in a teacup whipped up by Labour's opponents. And a lot of people who do take these things in will just engage in a bit of mental whataboutery and conclude that the Tories are just as bad.rottenborough said:
This whole farrago might bring Corbyn down, but let's just say I'll believe it when I see it. Certainly I've not even made the trip to the wine shop yet, let alone bought the Champagne and put it on ice.0 -
When will the results of the Zimbabwe Labour elections be known. Would be funny if Willsman got more votes than Lansman lol0
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I get the impression that although most people over 55 use this internet to look up information, read the news, etc, they don't actually post comments or create "content" themselves very often. And people over 55 make up about 50% of those who actually bother to vote in elections. There's probably a big difference in outlook between those who just "read" the internet, and those who both "read" and "write" on it, to use slightly old-fashioned terminology.Acorn_Antiques said:
Regular reminder: the vast majority of the populace isn't on Twitter. Most voters are barely aware of this issue. Most of those who are probably don't care all that much, or think this is a storm in a teacup whipped up by Labour's opponents. And a lot of people who do take these things in will just engage in a bit of mental whataboutery and conclude that the Tories are just as bad.rottenborough said:
This whole farrago might bring Corbyn down, but let's just say I'll believe it when I see it. Certainly I've not even made the trip to the wine shop yet, let alone bought the Champagne and put it on ice.0 -
Edward I probably less popular than Corbyn in Wales and Scotland too.SeanT said:
I find it hard to believe either Balfour or Lloyd George were as clearly anti-Semitic as Corbyn. I mean, Corbyn actively allies with and supports people who want to wipe out all of Israel and regard all Jews as evil.ydoethur said:
David Lloyd George and Arthur Balfour both say hello:SeanT said:
Quite.rottenborough said:https://twitter.com/stephenkb/status/1024765777486983169
Answers on a postcard.
After some chat witll well informed lefty friends, I have come to the inevitable conclusion that Corbyn is a full-fat, guaranteed, copper-bottomed, chateau-bottled, quality controlled A1 Anti-Semite. A proper Hater of Jews.
He really really genuinely dislikes Jews, as Jews. He thinks Jews are at very best rich capitalists and Tories, and more usually they are bloodsucking Zionist Israeli-defenders and little better than Nazis. Possibly worse.
He would be the first truly anti-Semitic prime minister of the UK, I think?
https://foreignpolicy.com/2010/09/08/how-anti-semitism-helped-create-israel-2/
And if we include Heads of Government from before the time of Prime Minsters, I think King Edward I might feel a little surprised at being told Corbyn is more antisemitic than him:
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Edict_of_Expulsion
Now, Edward 1, there you have a point.
Maybe the Labour Party could use it on a poster in Hendon or Hampstead Garden Suburb.
"Vote Corbyn, possibly less of a Jew Hater than Edward the First!"0 -
Oh my, the responses to that are special even for twitter. Anger at besmirching:rottenborough said:https://twitter.com/Fabulous1FF/status/1024706343360520192
What a court case that would be.
https://twitter.com/Fabulous1FF/status/1024722508652728321
But definitely not worried about losing:
https://twitter.com/HerrChop/status/1024731389613301760
First against the wall:
https://twitter.com/Fabulous1FF/status/1024707461574545408
Etc, etc.0 -
It makes his posturing in front of the cameras today feel rather hypocritical. Which was always the case. They have always shared similar beliefs and friends - so it was inevitable that the attack would spread.kle4 said:
Aren't EDMs pretry meaningless. Corbyn, and I presume McDonnell, have already been taken to task for various other ones before. Not meaning to be glum, but is it a smoking gun?dr_spyn said:Looks as if McDonnell might be about to be stitched up.
https://www.theguardian.com/news/2018/aug/01/john-mcdonnell-praised-anti-zionist-network-ijan-accused-antisemitism
An early day motion from October 2008 has been found.0 -
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FAKE NEWS!!!!ydoethur said:
No but with Sunil having disgraced himself I thought somebody should make the effort!Benpointer said:
Very good! Have you stared writing for the Daily Mash?ydoethur said:
It was announced today that world popcorn prices have risen 55% in just 12 hours.TheScreamingEagles said:
'It was bad enough with Brexit, trade wars and a crappy new Star Wars film every five minutes,' said Mr B N D Grain, wholesaler, 'but with Corbyn having to prove every five minutes he's not a rabid anti-Semite, Macron sucking up to every world leader and now Trump being interviewed by the fuzz, we just can't cope.'
It is not thought popcorn supplies will be vitally affected by Brexit, as most of them are imported from random places. However, Mr Jeremy Hunt, Foreign Secretary, says 'I understand all supplies come from Japan, er, China. I would advise everyone to stock up as much as possible in case I've seriously pissed off all the Chinese by calling them Japs and they close the boarders.'
President Trump said, 'Popcorn and banged grainy porn stars will Make America Great Again, and I have not obstructed justice by threatening to have all lawyers shot even though it's all over my Twitter feed.' 0 -
I agree, but I think the Cult wont stand for it. They are in love with JC, not some other guy who talks about Marxism a lot.SeanT said:
Disagree. The Hard Left wants power. Desperately. Taking over Labour and becoming the government has been a wet dream, until very recently. Now the incredible prize is tantalizingly close. Still unlikely, but possible.Richard_Nabavi said:Corbyn is safe for as long as he wants (which might be less long than people expect).
But, when he goes, the full hard-lefty-on-hard-lefty civil war is going to be a sight to behold.
Corbyn until this summer has served their purposes. He has brought them to this position, where a virtually Marxist Labour Party might actually run the country.
As soon as they think his mulish, racist obstinacy might actually be an obstacle to victory, the Hard
Left will knife him. They are, after all, not well known for their sweetly fraternal solidarity.0 -
Likewise, I have seen Eddie many times - I remember watching him at an Amnesty bash just a few days after Gulf War 1 started. Everyone else was utterly glum, but he gave a blisteringly funny take on the War and how it was reported.TOPPING said:
Ah yes. Thanks.Richard_Nabavi said:
Entertainingly, his is the voice of reason:TOPPING said:Speaking of the NEC, lefties, and so forth, what does Edward of Izzard have to say about it all?
https://www.theguardian.com/news/2018/jul/21/labour-antisemitism-losing-war-eddie-izzard-jeremy-corbyn
I have a very great deal of time for him. Not only because in times gone by when going to see him (from tiny places above strip joints in Soho to huge theatres) he has made me laugh so much I couldn't breathe, but also, for me he is a proper lefty - idealistic, perhaps naive, but heart 100% in the right place, with no nobbuts or exceptions.
Very happy to see that he is on the right side of this one.
Go Eddie!
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It’s not a case of thinking the story will go away (it won’t). It’s more of a case of knowing that Labour members are likely to back Corbyn, and that the Corbynsceptics don’t really have an outstanding candidate which is likely to draw enough support to win a leadership election. We’ve been here before with Corbyn, where chaos and internal division wreck havoc within Labour. We’ve even been in a place where ‘true believers’ start to waver (at one point both Owen Jones and Abi Wilkinson had doubts about Corbyn). Headlines that associate Corbyn with controversial groups, statements, people et al have been a thing since 2015.Big_G_NorthWales said:
You keep saying this but this is not going away much as you may wish.Acorn_Antiques said:
Nah. Worst that'll happen to him is he might be forced to mumble one or two more reluctant apologies that the media manage to drag from his mouth like so many pulled teeth. The party membership is four-square behind him and haven't been put off by any of this sort of thing before. A lot of them still think he's a victim of conspiracy.Jonathan said:Is Corbyn in trouble?
Hacks will get bored of this and the bandwagon will roll on to some other subject in the next few days. He'll be fine.
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Forgive my ignorance of the way these things work. But can a 3rd party take a party to court on a libel case on behalf of a 2nd party (if you see what I mean).Anorak said:
Oh my, the responses to that are special even for twitter. Anger at besmirching:rottenborough said:https://twitter.com/Fabulous1FF/status/1024706343360520192
What a court case that would be.
https://twitter.com/Fabulous1FF/status/1024722508652728321
But definitely not worried about losing:
https://twitter.com/HerrChop/status/1024731389613301760
First against the wall:
https://twitter.com/Fabulous1FF/status/1024707461574545408
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A masterly double whammy which segues seamlessly from patronising everybody who doesn't read PB, to patronising everybody who does.Acorn_Antiques said:
Regular reminder: the vast majority of the populace isn't on Twitter. Most voters are barely aware of this issue. Most of those who are probably don't care all that much, or think this is a storm in a teacup whipped up by Labour's opponents. And a lot of people who do take these things in will just engage in a bit of mental whataboutery and conclude that the Tories are just as bad.rottenborough said:
This whole farrago might bring Corbyn down, but let's just say I'll believe it when I see it. Certainly I've not even made the trip to the wine shop yet, let alone bought the Champagne and put it on ice.0 -
,,Es lebe, das heilige Deutschland!"rottenborough said:Meanwhile, we think we have problems:
https://twitter.com/marceldirsus/status/10247403491625287680 -
No idea. IANAL.rottenborough said:Forgive my ignorance of the way these things work. But can a 3rd party take a party to court on a libel case on behalf of a 2nd party (if you see what I mean).
But it's increasingly difficult to tell these morons from the parody accounts.0 -
Corbyn does have some appeal which others may not be able to mimic exactly - he is reasonably authoritative in voice, he does, in general, have a manner which exudes reasonableness even when he is not, in fact, being reasonable, he is patient and determined - but I don't doubt they could find someone else to rally behind quickly if needs be. Getting the mass membership was the hardest part, mobilising it, even if not to quite the same degree, should be easierif espousing the same issues without the personal baggage. And as we've seen with the over the top praise May used to get to what she gets now, if events go against Corbyn, unequivocally, there will be a mass shift at some point without anyone losing a step.rottenborough said:
I agree, but I think the Cult wont stand for it. They are in love with JC, not some other guy who talks about Marxism a lot.SeanT said:
Disagree. The Hard Left wants power. Desperately. Taking over Labour and becoming the government has been a wet dream, until very recently. Now the incredible prize is tantalizingly close. Still unlikely, but possible.Richard_Nabavi said:Corbyn is safe for as long as he wants (which might be less long than people expect).
But, when he goes, the full hard-lefty-on-hard-lefty civil war is going to be a sight to behold.
Corbyn until this summer has served their purposes. He has brought them to this position, where a virtually Marxist Labour Party might actually run the country.
As soon as they think his mulish, racist obstinacy might actually be an obstacle to victory, the Hard
Left will knife him. They are, after all, not well known for their sweetly fraternal solidarity.0 -
Le singe est dans l'arbre. Magic.SeanT said:
On this we agree. Eddie Izzard at his peak - about 20 years ago - was literally the funniest stand-up comedian I have ever seen. True genius. I remember almost throwing up from laughing so much.TOPPING said:
Ah yes. Thanks.Richard_Nabavi said:
Entertainingly, his is the voice of reason:TOPPING said:Speaking of the NEC, lefties, and so forth, what does Edward of Izzard have to say about it all?
https://www.theguardian.com/news/2018/jul/21/labour-antisemitism-losing-war-eddie-izzard-jeremy-corbyn
I have a very great deal of time for him. Not only because in times gone by when going to see him (from tiny places above strip joints in Soho to huge theatres) he has made me laugh so much I couldn't breathe, but also, for me he is a proper lefty - idealistic, perhaps naive, but heart 100% in the right place, with no nobbuts or exceptions.
Very happy to see that he is on the right side of this one.
Go Eddie!
He's a lot less funny now, and the trans thing is a wearying distraction (even if I feel lots of sympathy for him personally)
But yes, at his best, when he turned pro, and then spent a couple of years honing that professional craft. Wow. Seeing him live, then, was a bit like seeing Led Zep, live, in about 1972.0 -
Izzard doesn't identify as trans BTW. He identifies as a heterosexual cisman.0
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La plume de ma tante est dans le sac de ma tante.
as well you know...0 -
Yeah, I remember Carlotta posted that 83% of the electorate aren’t on twitter.Acorn_Antiques said:
Regular reminder: the vast majority of the populace isn't on Twitter. Most voters are barely aware of this issue. Most of those who are probably don't care all that much, or think this is a storm in a teacup whipped up by Labour's opponents. And a lot of people who do take these things in will just engage in a bit of mental whataboutery and conclude that the Tories are just as bad.rottenborough said:
This whole farrago might bring Corbyn down, but let's just say I'll believe it when I see it. Certainly I've not even made the trip to the wine shop yet, let alone bought the Champagne and put it on ice.
I remember last year when this site thought that video of Corbyn on Facebook (I think it was about the IRA) that got a million + views was going to destroy Corbyn in the GE. Social media is a bit more relevant as far as the under 40s go as millennials/late Gen x are more likely to use it. There’s little evidence that my Generation + late Gen x are moving away from Corbyn as a result of the antisemitism scandal, though.0 -
Lesbian trapped in a man's body.grabcocque said:Izzard doesn't identify as trans BTW. He identifies as a heterosexual cisman.
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Not without consent and cooperation, unless the 2nd party is a child, or mad.rottenborough said:
Forgive my ignorance of the way these things work. But can a 3rd party take a party to court on a libel case on behalf of a 2nd party (if you see what I mean).Anorak said:
Oh my, the responses to that are special even for twitter. Anger at besmirching:rottenborough said:https://twitter.com/Fabulous1FF/status/1024706343360520192
What a court case that would be.
https://twitter.com/Fabulous1FF/status/1024722508652728321
But definitely not worried about losing:
https://twitter.com/HerrChop/status/1024731389613301760
First against the wall:
https://twitter.com/Fabulous1FF/status/1024707461574545408
Etc, etc.0 -
I was there when he was brought up by wolves.....Anorak said:
Le singe est dans l'arbre. Magic.SeanT said:
On this we agree. Eddie Izzard at his peak - about 20 years ago - was literally the funniest stand-up comedian I have ever seen. True genius. I remember almost throwing up from laughing so much.TOPPING said:
Ah yes. Thanks.Richard_Nabavi said:
Entertainingly, his is the voice of reason:TOPPING said:Speaking of the NEC, lefties, and so forth, what does Edward of Izzard have to say about it all?
https://www.theguardian.com/news/2018/jul/21/labour-antisemitism-losing-war-eddie-izzard-jeremy-corbyn
I have a very great deal of time for him. Not only because in times gone by when going to see him (from tiny places above strip joints in Soho to huge theatres) he has made me laugh so much I couldn't breathe, but also, for me he is a proper lefty - idealistic, perhaps naive, but heart 100% in the right place, with no nobbuts or exceptions.
Very happy to see that he is on the right side of this one.
Go Eddie!
He's a lot less funny now, and the trans thing is a wearying distraction (even if I feel lots of sympathy for him personally)
But yes, at his best, when he turned pro, and then spent a couple of years honing that professional craft. Wow. Seeing him live, then, was a bit like seeing Led Zep, live, in about 1972.0 -
He does. But whatever.grabcocque said:Izzard doesn't identify as trans BTW. He identifies as a heterosexual cisman.
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What's the peak year for authors? Seems to be a wider range on that profession.SeanT said:
I don't care, and I don't want to care, which is part of his problem. His confusing sexual ID has obscured the very funny man/woman behind.grabcocque said:Izzard doesn't identify as trans BTW. He identifies as a heterosexual cisman.
That said, maybe most comics peak in their late 20s, early 30s, and then inevitably decline (with rare exceptions like Tommy Cooper or Eric Morecambe, or indeed Steward Lee).
All professions have their peak years. Pity the mathematicians who peak at about 22. Envy the architects who can peak in their 70s or 80s.0 -
Oh wow, I genuinely didn't know.Anorak said:
He does.grabcocque said:Izzard doesn't identify as trans BTW. He identifies as a heterosexual cisman.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ARKUJIoeZpw
Though since Izzard's gender identity doesn't get far beyond nail polish and a beret I doubt he's too hardline about being misgendered.0 -
I like Eddie Izzard, btw. If I was a Labour member, he’d be who I would vote for the NEC.0
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Six million + views and it wasn't "this site" as a whole, it was mainly me. I was wrong for the right reason, though. It was an incredibly powerful video, just not in the way I thought - it made Corbyn look like a rock star.The_Apocalypse said:
Yeah, I remember Carlotta posted that 83% of the electorate aren’t on twitter.Acorn_Antiques said:
Regular reminder: the vast majority of the populace isn't on Twitter. Most voters are barely aware of this issue. Most of those who are probably don't care all that much, or think this is a storm in a teacup whipped up by Labour's opponents. And a lot of people who do take these things in will just engage in a bit of mental whataboutery and conclude that the Tories are just as bad.rottenborough said:
This whole farrago might bring Corbyn down, but let's just say I'll believe it when I see it. Certainly I've not even made the trip to the wine shop yet, let alone bought the Champagne and put it on ice.
I remember last year when this site thought that video of Corbyn on Facebook (I think it was about the IRA) that got a million + views was going to destroy Corbyn in the GE. Social media is a bit more relevant as far as the under 40s go as millennials/late Gen x are more likely to use it. There’s little evidence that my Generation + late Gen x are moving away from Corbyn as a result of the antisemitism scandal, though.0 -
I like him, but his tendency to cling limpet-like to political lost causes is legendary.The_Apocalypse said:I like Eddie Izzard, btw. If I was a Labour member, he’d be who I would vote for the NEC.
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I said a million + because I couldn’t remember just how many views it got, I just recalled that it went over a million. My memory is hazy but I definitely remember quite a few Tories on here talking about the video, but I will take your word for it that it was mainly you.Ishmael_Z said:
Six million + views and it wasn't "this site" as a whole, it was mainly me. I was wrong for the right reason, though. It was an incredibly powerful video, just not in the way I thought - it made Corbyn look like a rock star.The_Apocalypse said:
Yeah, I remember Carlotta posted that 83% of the electorate aren’t on twitter.Acorn_Antiques said:
Regular reminder: the vast majority of the populace isn't on Twitter. Most voters are barely aware of this issue. Most of those who are probably don't care all that much, or think this is a storm in a teacup whipped up by Labour's opponents. And a lot of people who do take these things in will just engage in a bit of mental whataboutery and conclude that the Tories are just as bad.rottenborough said:
This whole farrago might bring Corbyn down, but let's just say I'll believe it when I see it. Certainly I've not even made the trip to the wine shop yet, let alone bought the Champagne and put it on ice.
I remember last year when this site thought that video of Corbyn on Facebook (I think it was about the IRA) that got a million + views was going to destroy Corbyn in the GE. Social media is a bit more relevant as far as the under 40s go as millennials/late Gen x are more likely to use it. There’s little evidence that my Generation + late Gen x are moving away from Corbyn as a result of the antisemitism scandal, though.
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Indeed - although to be fair to Izzard he isn't really trying to be funny any more. He does his marathons, his activism and the odd TV show.I think it's true of a lot of comics that they get bored after a while as it's very hard being funny. Most seem to gravitate towards travel documentaries or middlebrow drama after 10 or 15 years or so at the top. Only those who genuinely love entertaining or maintain the fire and anger seem to keep going.SeanT said:
I don't care, and I don't want to care, which is part of his problem. His confusing sexual ID has obscured the very funny man/woman behind.grabcocque said:Izzard doesn't identify as trans BTW. He identifies as a heterosexual cisman.
That said, maybe most comics peak in their late 20s, early 30s, and then inevitably decline (with rare exceptions like Tommy Cooper or Eric Morecambe, or indeed Steward Lee).
All professions have their peak years. Pity the mathematicians who peak at about 22. Envy the architects who can peak in their 70s or 80s.0 -
Yes, sadly. I think he’s on the Stop Brexit cause now as well.grabcocque said:
I like him, but his tendency to cling limpet-like to political lost causes is legendary.The_Apocalypse said:I like Eddie Izzard, btw. If I was a Labour member, he’d be who I would vote for the NEC.
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This stuff is now a daily item in both print media and on the telly. It's being seen by a lot more than the 17% on Twitter.Ishmael_Z said:
Six million + views and it wasn't "this site" as a whole, it was mainly me. I was wrong for the right reason, though. It was an incredibly powerful video, just not in the way I thought - it made Corbyn look like a rock star.The_Apocalypse said:
Yeah, I remember Carlotta posted that 83% of the electorate aren’t on twitter.Acorn_Antiques said:
Regular reminder: the vast majority of the populace isn't on Twitter. Most voters are barely aware of this issue. Most of those who are probably don't care all that much, or think this is a storm in a teacup whipped up by Labour's opponents. And a lot of people who do take these things in will just engage in a bit of mental whataboutery and conclude that the Tories are just as bad.rottenborough said:
This whole farrago might bring Corbyn down, but let's just say I'll believe it when I see it. Certainly I've not even made the trip to the wine shop yet, let alone bought the Champagne and put it on ice.
I remember last year when this site thought that video of Corbyn on Facebook (I think it was about the IRA) that got a million + views was going to destroy Corbyn in the GE. Social media is a bit more relevant as far as the under 40s go as millennials/late Gen x are more likely to use it. There’s little evidence that my Generation + late Gen x are moving away from Corbyn as a result of the antisemitism scandal, though.
Still don't think he's going anywhere.0 -
Stewart Lee seems to have had a rare "double peak" in his career.
The reason middle age cynicism isn't robbing him of any of his power is because he feeds off it, polishes it into a weapon and then brutally attacks his own audience with it.
The ruder and more aggressive he is to his audience, the more they love him.0 -
Speaking of Eddie Izzard, Twitter really does reveal who is totally batshit nuts:
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Interesting quote from the FT article I linked to earlier:
https://www.ft.com/content/0c454858-9408-11e8-b67b-b8205561c3fe
"Naturally, there are counterexamples to my view. One is the government of David Cameron. If Britain is a nation of stubborn subversives, how on Earth did it come to be ruled by that clique of Eton/Oxbridge PPE graduates? In America, when we decide to be ruled by members of the hereditary elite, we at least demand a soothing layer of bullshit to alleviate our painful feelings of democratic hypocrisy. Thus George W Bush, of Andover, Yale and Harvard, grandson of a senator and son of a president, had to posture, absurdly, at being a good old boy from Texas, a man who “cleared brush” in his spare time.
But to my astonishment, when I moved to London, the Cameron gang didn’t even bother to pretend to be anything other than what they were. Perhaps, at least until the financial crisis, a decades-long rising economic tide had left the nation uncharacteristically complacent about its leaders. Cameron was educated to look and sound like a leader, and that may have been enough for the electorate, given a weak competitive field. But leadership by the entitled was always likely to irritate the British immune system, and when the rejection did come, it took the form of something bigger than a change of government."0 -
That wasn't a boast!The_Apocalypse said:
I said a million + because I couldn’t remember just how many views it got, I just recalled that it went over a million. My memory is hazy but I definitely remember quite a few Tories on here talking about the video, but I will take your word for it that it was mainly you.Ishmael_Z said:
Six million + views and it wasn't "this site" as a whole, it was mainly me. I was wrong for the right reason, though. It was an incredibly powerful video, just not in the way I thought - it made Corbyn look like a rock star.The_Apocalypse said:
Yeah, I remember Carlotta posted that 83% of the electorate aren’t on twitter.Acorn_Antiques said:
Regular reminder: the vast majority of the populace isn't on Twitter. Most voters are barely aware of this issue. Most of those who are probably don't care all that much, or think this is a storm in a teacup whipped up by Labour's opponents. And a lot of people who do take these things in will just engage in a bit of mental whataboutery and conclude that the Tories are just as bad.rottenborough said:
This whole farrago might bring Corbyn down, but let's just say I'll believe it when I see it. Certainly I've not even made the trip to the wine shop yet, let alone bought the Champagne and put it on ice.
I remember last year when this site thought that video of Corbyn on Facebook (I think it was about the IRA) that got a million + views was going to destroy Corbyn in the GE. Social media is a bit more relevant as far as the under 40s go as millennials/late Gen x are more likely to use it. There’s little evidence that my Generation + late Gen x are moving away from Corbyn as a result of the antisemitism scandal, though.0 -
https://twitter.com/MattWrack/status/1024764301511417871
Momentum eating itself this evening (see the follow-ups)0 -
I'm more astounded that said person considered this the 'first' sign of trouble.rottenborough said:https://twitter.com/MattWrack/status/1024764301511417871
Momentum eating itself this evening (see the follow-ups)0 -
I want to hear more about this Corbynista idea that Eddie Izzard is a Trump spy.
Let's hear them out.0 -
Look on the bright side - you might be near your creative end, if that estimate is right, but the money making end does not need to follow at the same time!SeanT said:
It varies massively. Poets probably 20s, early 30s? Novelists 30-55, or 60ish (yes I am near my end). Journalists can get better (including travel writers) into their 60s I think, because accrued wisdom and cynical cunning is more important than lyrical creativity (the speciality of youth)kle4 said:
What's the peak year for authors? Seems to be a wider range on that profession.SeanT said:
I don't care, and I don't want to care, which is part of his problem. His confusing sexual ID has obscured the very funny man/woman behind.grabcocque said:Izzard doesn't identify as trans BTW. He identifies as a heterosexual cisman.
That said, maybe most comics peak in their late 20s, early 30s, and then inevitably decline (with rare exceptions like Tommy Cooper or Eric Morecambe, or indeed Steward Lee).
All professions have their peak years. Pity the mathematicians who peak at about 22. Envy the architects who can peak in their 70s or 80s.0 -
Doesn't that mean he's on the same side i.e. Putin loversgrabcocque said:I want to hear more about this Corbynista idea that Eddie Izzard is a Trump spy.
Let's hear them out.0 -
I feel all this talk of crazy lefties is unfairly taking attention away from crazy right wingers on twitter as well, who put just as much effort into their craziness damn it! We need something to really get them going, surely Tommy Robinson's successful appeal unleashed some?0
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I literally avoided that whole hashtag today on twitter for that reason.kle4 said:I feel all this talk of crazy lefties is unfairly taking attention away from crazy right wingers on twitter as well, who put just as much effort into their craziness damn it! We need something to really get them going, surely Tommy Robinson's successful appeal unleashed some?
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