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PB /Opinium: Based on your knowledge, do you have a positive or negative view of the following political ideologies or systems? (net positive)
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If you ask the average man on the street what liberal democracy is he will probably tell you it's the party that used to be run by that Charlie Kennedy lad, but hasn't heard much of them in recent years.0
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Not liking capitalism is the equivalent of not liking your job. It might piss you off and treat you unfairly at times but it's brought you a nice old life.0
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Surely because of the Ireland Act it would have to be a separate line for British and Irish passports?Foxy said:
Either the plan is to be beastly to foreign visitors, or perhaps the British queue has free tea and jammie dodgers to welcome Brits back from forign parts.williamglenn said:0 -
As a Labour party person, I despise Blair and , in fact, I think he should go on a visit to the Hague. Ironically, I have nothing against Cameron. I know he is a Tory and as Tories go, he is quite acceptable.SeanT said:BOOZY ANECDOTE ALERT
Had drinks with a smart, committed old lefty friend tonight. I despair of the Brexit-torn Tories and their Aspergery leader, he despairs of the revolting Corbynites and the now-officially-racist Labour party.
We both agreed we'd be happier if we, as a nation, were led by either Blair or Cameron (with the other as Opposition). And these are men we previously despised.
Strange days.
Of course, the fake news is that SeanT has a "lefty" friend.0 -
I am truly surprised Sajid Javid did not propose that in the first place. He has been saying anything and everything to the Tory membership. How did this opportunity slip by ?williamglenn said:0 -
Politics is broken. As another Labour person, Blair is still the best PM of my lifetime. Cameron is the worst.surby said:
As a Labour party person, I despise Blair and , in fact, I think he should go on a visit to the Hague. Ironically, I have nothing against Cameron. I know he is a Tory and as Tories go, he is quite acceptable.SeanT said:BOOZY ANECDOTE ALERT
Had drinks with a smart, committed old lefty friend tonight. I despair of the Brexit-torn Tories and their Aspergery leader, he despairs of the revolting Corbynites and the now-officially-racist Labour party.
We both agreed we'd be happier if we, as a nation, were led by either Blair or Cameron (with the other as Opposition). And these are men we previously despised.
Strange days.
Of course, the fake news is that SeanT has a "lefty" friend.
Glad we’re in the same party. Just.0 -
Cameron could not possibly be worse than this one , and certainly not worse than the witch !Jonathan said:
Politics is broken. As another Labour person, Blair is still the best PM of my lifetime. Cameron is the worst.surby said:
As a Labour party person, I despise Blair and , in fact, I think he should go on a visit to the Hague. Ironically, I have nothing against Cameron. I know he is a Tory and as Tories go, he is quite acceptable.SeanT said:BOOZY ANECDOTE ALERT
Had drinks with a smart, committed old lefty friend tonight. I despair of the Brexit-torn Tories and their Aspergery leader, he despairs of the revolting Corbynites and the now-officially-racist Labour party.
We both agreed we'd be happier if we, as a nation, were led by either Blair or Cameron (with the other as Opposition). And these are men we previously despised.
Strange days.
Of course, the fake news is that SeanT has a "lefty" friend.
Glad we’re in the same party. Just.0 -
Facial recognition doesn’t work. The e-gates at Heathrow actually have a human monitoring six at a time and checking the person at the gate matches their passport photo.SeanT said:FPT the passport thing, TMay is such an idiot, she has no common touch, she entirely lacks a sense of the popular battles to fight. No one with an IQ over 40 cares if they have to go in passport queues with other people, they care that they don't have to wait over 5 minutes - and with modern face-recognition technology, that is all it should, and will, take.
I'm quite liking Javid. I see no better choice. I like his cullions in confronting Pakistani/Muslim grooming for what it is: racist.
Get rid of TMay once she has sold us her shit Brexit, then install Javid so he can win the next GE and negotiate a better deal over time.0 -
Let's call it human-powered facial recognition.rpjs said:
Facial recognition doesn’t work. The e-gates at Heathrow actually have a human monitoring six at a time and checking the person at the gate matches their passport photo.SeanT said:FPT the passport thing, TMay is such an idiot, she has no common touch, she entirely lacks a sense of the popular battles to fight. No one with an IQ over 40 cares if they have to go in passport queues with other people, they care that they don't have to wait over 5 minutes - and with modern face-recognition technology, that is all it should, and will, take.
I'm quite liking Javid. I see no better choice. I like his cullions in confronting Pakistani/Muslim grooming for what it is: racist.
Get rid of TMay once she has sold us her shit Brexit, then install Javid so he can win the next GE and negotiate a better deal over time.0 -
Polling heaven for PBers:
https://pollofpolls.eu/
Editorial summary: centre-right doing well in most places, far right off the boil, centre-left doing badly (there are exceptions to all of these). Looks like increased EPP (Christian Democrat) dominance in the European Parliament next year.0 -
It should be British + commonwealth realms (although that might not be a popular idea amongst Britons on flights from Sydney!)rpjs said:FPT:
Surely because of the Ireland Act it would have to be a separate line for British and Irish passports?Foxy said:
Either the plan is to be beastly to foreign visitors, or perhaps the British queue has free tea and jammie dodgers to welcome Brits back from forign parts.williamglenn said:0 -
He caused this and ran away. May is shovelling his shit. I would take Maggie over either in a heartbeat.surby said:
Cameron could not possibly be worse than this one , and certainly not worse than the witch !Jonathan said:
Politics is broken. As another Labour person, Blair is still the best PM of my lifetime. Cameron is the worst.surby said:
As a Labour party person, I despise Blair and , in fact, I think he should go on a visit to the Hague. Ironically, I have nothing against Cameron. I know he is a Tory and as Tories go, he is quite acceptable.SeanT said:BOOZY ANECDOTE ALERT
Had drinks with a smart, committed old lefty friend tonight. I despair of the Brexit-torn Tories and their Aspergery leader, he despairs of the revolting Corbynites and the now-officially-racist Labour party.
We both agreed we'd be happier if we, as a nation, were led by either Blair or Cameron (with the other as Opposition). And these are men we previously despised.
Strange days.
Of course, the fake news is that SeanT has a "lefty" friend.
Glad we’re in the same party. Just.0 -
https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2018/jul/31/jersey-finance-paid-iea-to-trash-hotbeds-of-tax-evasion-claims
Jersey is a hotbed of tax dodgers and the IEA is not independent.0 -
Jose seems to be losing the plot.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-6003361/amp/Jose-Mourinho-delivers-damning-verdict-Manchester-Uniteds-tour.html?ico=amp_articleRelated
Not certain to be first in the sack race, but may be worth laying ManU win on the 10th. Except it is Puel's Leicester.0 -
I see jezza hosted and hung out with some more people who he,... Cough. . totally disagreed with.... Is front page news in the Times...0
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Shame we gave up freedom of movement to the Commonwealth in 1973 - but that is hardly practical now as we require visas for some Commonwealth tourists.RobD said:
It should be British + commonwealth realms (although that might not be a popular idea amongst Britons on flights from Sydney!)rpjs said:FPT:
Surely because of the Ireland Act it would have to be a separate line for British and Irish passports?Foxy said:
Either the plan is to be beastly to foreign visitors, or perhaps the British queue has free tea and jammie dodgers to welcome Brits back from forign parts.williamglenn said:
I think the May lanes would be British and perhaps Irish passports only given the CTA
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"First you gave the Leavers their referendum and then you let them go and win it!"Jonathan said:
He caused this and ran away. May is shovelling his shit. I would take Maggie over either in a heartbeat.surby said:
Cameron could not possibly be worse than this one , and certainly not worse than the witch !Jonathan said:
Politics is broken. As another Labour person, Blair is still the best PM of my lifetime. Cameron is the worst.surby said:
As a Labour party person, I despise Blair and , in fact, I think he should go on a visit to the Hague. Ironically, I have nothing against Cameron. I know he is a Tory and as Tories go, he is quite acceptable.SeanT said:BOOZY ANECDOTE ALERT
Had drinks with a smart, committed old lefty friend tonight. I despair of the Brexit-torn Tories and their Aspergery leader, he despairs of the revolting Corbynites and the now-officially-racist Labour party.
We both agreed we'd be happier if we, as a nation, were led by either Blair or Cameron (with the other as Opposition). And these are men we previously despised.
Strange days.
Of course, the fake news is that SeanT has a "lefty" friend.
Glad we’re in the same party. Just.0 -
No surprise to see Social Democracy top. Most people don't have much idea what these terms mean.
But to be social is good, yes? As is democratic. So, of course people approve of it.
All the others are terms of abuse, apart from Lib Dem, which doesn't even earn that distinction.
Would be interesting if the pejorative term were Social Democrat, rather than Blairite.0 -
One comment on the last thread
'Do they really want a return to the killings?'
There will no return to the killings, because we have not stopped, its just a total change of pace as regards political or sectarian violence. its a bullshit question.
Those remainers who knock on as if somehow leaving the EU is going to plunge this place back to the 70s and early 80s. Seriously, go wise up.
On something actually more sensible. Well over a year ago I mentioned three names as regards the category of Who's in it for Russia with Trump. Paul Manafort, Carter Page & Felix Sater.
Manafort: Some within the US intelligence community think Manafort may have been working for Russian intelligence agencies whilst part of the Trump campaign.
Page: an FOI request about the Feds request to monitor him has resulted in it being on redacted record that there was suspicion that he was an asset working for Russian intelligence.
Sater: Linked to the Russian mob and dodgy cash. The overlap between the Russian state, its intelligence agencies and Russian organised crime is considerable so that you barely see the join.
Picture emerging. Not just mere contacts and doing some deals, we are now at suspected as working for Russian intelligence.
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Labour moderates like Cameron because he wasn't really a Tory, he was a social and economic liberal. Blair was more conservative than he was, if only marginally.surby said:
As a Labour party person, I despise Blair and , in fact, I think he should go on a visit to the Hague. Ironically, I have nothing against Cameron. I know he is a Tory and as Tories go, he is quite acceptable.SeanT said:BOOZY ANECDOTE ALERT
Had drinks with a smart, committed old lefty friend tonight. I despair of the Brexit-torn Tories and their Aspergery leader, he despairs of the revolting Corbynites and the now-officially-racist Labour party.
We both agreed we'd be happier if we, as a nation, were led by either Blair or Cameron (with the other as Opposition). And these are men we previously despised.
Strange days.
Of course, the fake news is that SeanT has a "lefty" friend.0 -
Not that strange. We never know what we've got til it's gone and it's human nature to bank the dull good stuff and get overly angered about faults we only really have the chance to moan about because we're used to things functioning. Then, too late we realise things can get really ugly, very fast when we're led by the malign, the stupid or those who are both.SeanT said:BOOZY ANECDOTE ALERT
Had drinks with a smart, committed old lefty friend tonight. I despair of the Brexit-torn Tories and their Aspergery leader, he despairs of the revolting Corbynites and the now-officially-racist Labour party.
We both agreed we'd be happier if we, as a nation, were led by either Blair or Cameron (with the other as Opposition). And these are men we previously despised.
Strange days.0 -
If being the Tory PM of a majority Tory government is not enough to be considered a true Tory, rather than consider that what being a Tory is changes a bit, then what hope do most people have?AndyJS said:
Labour moderates like Cameron because he wasn't really a Tory.surby said:
As a Labour party person, I despise Blair and , in fact, I think he should go on a visit to the Hague. Ironically, I have nothing against Cameron. I know he is a Tory and as Tories go, he is quite acceptable.SeanT said:BOOZY ANECDOTE ALERT
Had drinks with a smart, committed old lefty friend tonight. I despair of the Brexit-torn Tories and their Aspergery leader, he despairs of the revolting Corbynites and the now-officially-racist Labour party.
We both agreed we'd be happier if we, as a nation, were led by either Blair or Cameron (with the other as Opposition). And these are men we previously despised.
Strange days.
Of course, the fake news is that SeanT has a "lefty" friend.0 -
Socially, yes.AndyJS said:
Labour moderates like Cameron because he wasn't really a Tory, he was a social and economic liberal. Blair was more conservative than he was, if only marginally.surby said:
As a Labour party person, I despise Blair and , in fact, I think he should go on a visit to the Hague. Ironically, I have nothing against Cameron. I know he is a Tory and as Tories go, he is quite acceptable.SeanT said:BOOZY ANECDOTE ALERT
Had drinks with a smart, committed old lefty friend tonight. I despair of the Brexit-torn Tories and their Aspergery leader, he despairs of the revolting Corbynites and the now-officially-racist Labour party.
We both agreed we'd be happier if we, as a nation, were led by either Blair or Cameron (with the other as Opposition). And these are men we previously despised.
Strange days.
Of course, the fake news is that SeanT has a "lefty" friend.0 -
He might be peaking a bit soon, although he has done a passable job of making his mark quite quickly given he could need to step up at any moment, should the situation arise.SeanT said:
Get rid of TMay once she has sold us her shit Brexit, then install Javid so he can win the next GE and negotiate a better deal over time.
Would he be trusted by harder leavers to negotiate a better deal over time though? Some outright state former remainers cannot understand the leaver mindset, even if they try presumably, so how much would he need to be beholden to them in order to win the contest in the first place? Which would restrict his ability to be flexible enough on other matters as needed to win the GE.
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I am actually interested that communism is indeed rated so badly, as with the stereotype of the youngster who has just discovered communism at Uni, the impression is sometimes had that as it has been decades since the Soviet Union fell ordinary people might not have the same level of antipathy for communism as those who grew up with it.
Bit seriously, as people have noted, including Keiran, the terms mean little to a lot of people. I'd struggle to concisely define many of the, (of course concisely doing anything for me is a challenge).0 -
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"Middle-class cocaine users helping drug gangs destroy society, says Met chief"
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2018/07/31/middle-class-cocaine-users-care-planet-ignore-drugs-destroy/0 -
Well yes. At one point everyone hated Dave because of what he did to the taxation upon on cornish pasties.MJW said:
Not that strange. We never know what we've got til it's gone and it's human nature to bank the dull good stuff and get overly angered about faults we only really have the chance to moan about because we're used to things functioning. Then, too late we realise things can get really ugly, very fast when we're led by the malign, the stupid or those who are both.SeanT said:BOOZY ANECDOTE ALERT
Had drinks with a smart, committed old lefty friend tonight. I despair of the Brexit-torn Tories and their Aspergery leader, he despairs of the revolting Corbynites and the now-officially-racist Labour party.
We both agreed we'd be happier if we, as a nation, were led by either Blair or Cameron (with the other as Opposition). And these are men we previously despised.
Strange days.0 -
You are absolutely right that things have simply wound down of late, the 2009 pizza killings aside, but quite how you can be so sure that there will not be a return to something resembling the Troubles if we start to erect sangars up and down the BCPs is, frankly, not enhancing any reputation for security matters-related insigt.Y0kel said:One comment on the last thread
'Do they really want a return to the killings?'
There will no return to the killings, because we have not stopped, its just a total change of pace as regards political or sectarian violence. its a bullshit question.
Those remainers who knock on as if somehow leaving the EU is going to plunge this place back to the 70s and early 80s. Seriously, go wise up.
On something actually more sensible. Well over a year ago I mentioned three names as regards the category of Who's in it for Russia with Trump. Paul Manafort, Carter Page & Felix Sater.
Manafort: Some within the US intelligence community think Manafort may have been working for Russian intelligence agencies whilst part of the Trump campaign.
Page: an FOI request about the Feds request to monitor him has resulted in it being on redacted record that there was suspicion that he was an asset working for Russian intelligence.
Sater: Linked to the Russian mob and dodgy cash. The overlap between the Russian state, its intelligence agencies and Russian organised crime is considerable so that you barely see the join.
Picture emerging. Not just mere contacts and doing some deals, we are now at suspected as working for Russian intelligence.0 -
Erm, no.AndyJS said:
Labour moderates like Cameron because he wasn't really a Tory, he was a social and economic liberal. Blair was more conservative than he was, if only marginally.surby said:
As a Labour party person, I despise Blair and , in fact, I think he should go on a visit to the Hague. Ironically, I have nothing against Cameron. I know he is a Tory and as Tories go, he is quite acceptable.SeanT said:BOOZY ANECDOTE ALERT
Had drinks with a smart, committed old lefty friend tonight. I despair of the Brexit-torn Tories and their Aspergery leader, he despairs of the revolting Corbynites and the now-officially-racist Labour party.
We both agreed we'd be happier if we, as a nation, were led by either Blair or Cameron (with the other as Opposition). And these are men we previously despised.
Strange days.
Of course, the fake news is that SeanT has a "lefty" friend.
I never understand why people STILL say Cameron was a "moderate" or "progressive". When examples are asked for, all people ever come up with is gay marriage. On economic issues, there's still a good argument that his policies were the most right-wing of any PM since the war.
Theresa May is not the full shilling, but I'd rather have her over Cameron any day of the week.0 -
And I can't think of a single domestic policy area where Blair was more conservative than Cameron was (I'll grant you there's an argument for foreign policy, depending on how one defines a conservative foreign policy).0
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"Politicians grandstanding by doubling down on failed prohibition policies helping drugs gangs destroy society, says bloke on the Internet."AndyJS said:O/T
"Middle-class cocaine users helping drug gangs destroy society, says Met chief"
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2018/07/31/middle-class-cocaine-users-care-planet-ignore-drugs-destroy/0 -
I hated Cameron at the time because he was very much a Tory, and a smug, patronising one at that. I still believe the decisions he made on coming to power in needlessly fetishising the deficit and cutting when and what was in his political interests rather than what was in our long term economic interests are partly why we're in this mess.kle4 said:
If being the Tory PM of a majority Tory government is not enough to be considered a true Tory, rather than consider that what being a Tory is changes a bit, then what hope do most people have?AndyJS said:
Labour moderates like Cameron because he wasn't really a Tory.surby said:
As a Labour party person, I despise Blair and , in fact, I think he should go on a visit to the Hague. Ironically, I have nothing against Cameron. I know he is a Tory and as Tories go, he is quite acceptable.SeanT said:BOOZY ANECDOTE ALERT
Had drinks with a smart, committed old lefty friend tonight. I despair of the Brexit-torn Tories and their Aspergery leader, he despairs of the revolting Corbynites and the now-officially-racist Labour party.
We both agreed we'd be happier if we, as a nation, were led by either Blair or Cameron (with the other as Opposition). And these are men we previously despised.
Strange days.
Of course, the fake news is that SeanT has a "lefty" friend.
I would however take him over a woman trying to defy economic gravity by waging an inept culture war, and a man who's so stupid, stubborn and vain that he'd rather distress people by subjecting them to racism than examine his own beliefs.0 -
“Passports” begins with “p” and it takes a while to work through the alphabet?surby said:
I am truly surprised Sajid Javid did not propose that in the first place. He has been saying anything and everything to the Tory membership. How did this opportunity slip by ?williamglenn said:0 -
1. Because there wont be a military or military-like presence on the border in the first place with Brexit.TOPPING said:
You are absolutely right that things have simply wound down of late, the 2009 pizza killings aside, but quite how you can be so sure that there will not be a return to something resembling the Troubles if we start to erect sangars up and down the BCPs is, frankly, not enhancing any reputation for security matters-related insigt.Y0kel said:One comment on the last thread
'Do they really want a return to the killings?'
There will no return to the killings, because we have not stopped, its just a total change of pace as regards political or sectarian violence. its a bullshit question.
Those remainers who knock on as if somehow leaving the EU is going to plunge this place back to the 70s and early 80s. Seriously, go wise up.
On something actually more sensible. Well over a year ago I mentioned three names as regards the category of Who's in it for Russia with Trump. Paul Manafort, Carter Page & Felix Sater.
Manafort: Some within the US intelligence community think Manafort may have been working for Russian intelligence agencies whilst part of the Trump campaign.
Page: an FOI request about the Feds request to monitor him has resulted in it being on redacted record that there was suspicion that he was an asset working for Russian intelligence.
Sater: Linked to the Russian mob and dodgy cash. The overlap between the Russian state, its intelligence agencies and Russian organised crime is considerable so that you barely see the join.
Picture emerging. Not just mere contacts and doing some deals, we are now at suspected as working for Russian intelligence.
2. Most of the plans call for the customs efforts upstream not on the border itself
3. The Provos have no desire to start up again. Anybody who has been interested defected years ago to the splinter groups or has been doing a bit of work on the side for them
4. The overall terror group position has not changed and is not likely to, they exist but are reasonably well kept in a pen
The pizza killings? Since 2009, terror related incidents
40+ gun and bomb attacks on police and prison officers, a number of which have left dead or injured.
Attempted rocket attacks on police stations have occurred.
Plenty of killings by terror groups within their own communities
It still exists
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Blair introduced tuition fees. Cameron merely increased them.Danny565 said:And I can't think of a single domestic policy area where Blair was more conservative than Cameron was (I'll grant you there's an argument for foreign policy, depending on how one defines a conservative foreign policy).
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I am agreeing with you that it still exists. I am not agreeing with you that any kind of border infrastructure will not invite and galvanise any of those disparate groups to recommence more intense activities.Y0kel said:
1. Because there wont be a military or military-like presence on the border in the first place with Brexit.TOPPING said:
You are absolutely right that things have simply wound down of late, the 2009 pizza killings aside, but quite how you can be so sure that there will not be a return to something resembling the Troubles if we start to erect sangars up and down the BCPs is, frankly, not enhancing any reputation for security matters-related insigt.Y0kel said:One comment on the last thread
'Do they really want a
Manafort: Some within the US intelligence community think Manafort may have been working for Russian intelligence agencies whilst part of the Trump campaign.
Page: an FOI request about the Feds request to monitor him has resulted in it being on redacted record that there was suspicion that he was an asset working for Russian intelligence.
Sater: Linked to the Russian mob and dodgy cash. The overlap between the Russian state, its intelligence agencies and Russian organised crime is considerable so that you barely see the join.
Picture emerging. Not just mere contacts and doing some deals, we are now at suspected as working for Russian intelligence.
2. Most of the plans call for the customs efforts upstream not on the border itself
3. The Provos have no desire to start up again. Anybody who has been interested defected years ago to the splinter groups or has been doing a bit of work on the side for them
4. The overall terror group position has not changed and is not likely to, they exist but are reasonably well kept in a pen
The pizza killings? Since 2009, terror related incidents
40+ gun and bomb attacks on police and prison officers, a number of which have left dead or injured.
Attempted rocket attacks on police stations have occurred.
Plenty of killings by terror groups within their own communities
It still exists
You say there will be no military or military-like presence and it will all be done via technology. Well I hope so - but if not, if there is any inspection hut or customs infrastructure, you will need (twenty?) three battalions on roulement to protect them.
As I have said on many posts on NI, if there really is an all-tech solution, then there is a chance that it scrapes through. If not, we are in a very bad place. Again.0 -
Isn’t that what everyone was saying about the Officials fifty-odd years ago?Y0kel said:
3. The Provos have no desire to start up again.TOPPING said:
You are absolutely right that things have simply wound down of late, the 2009 pizza killings aside, but quite how you can be so sure that there will not be a return to something resembling the Troubles if we start to erect sangars up and down the BCPs is, frankly, not enhancing any reputation for security matters-related insigt.Y0kel said:One comment on the last thread
'Do they really want a return to the killings?'
There will no return to the killings, because we have not stopped, its just a total change of pace as regards political or sectarian violence. its a bullshit question.
Those remainers who knock on as if somehow leaving the EU is going to plunge this place back to the 70s and early 80s. Seriously, go wise up.
On something actually more sensible. Well over a year ago I mentioned three names as regards the category of Who's in it for Russia with Trump. Paul Manafort, Carter Page & Felix Sater.
Manafort: Some within the US intelligence community think Manafort may have been working for Russian intelligence agencies whilst part of the Trump campaign.
Page: an FOI request about the Feds request to monitor him has resulted in it being on redacted record that there was suspicion that he was an asset working for Russian intelligence.
Sater: Linked to the Russian mob and dodgy cash. The overlap between the Russian state, its intelligence agencies and Russian organised crime is considerable so that you barely see the join.
Picture emerging. Not just mere contacts and doing some deals, we are now at suspected as working for Russian intelligence.
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On the one hand he is agreeing that the groups still exist and on the other that they will ignore what would be their greatest recruiting sergeantrpjs said:
Isn’t that what everyone was saying about the Officials fifty-odd years ago?Y0kel said:
3. The Provos have no desire to start up again.TOPPING said:
You are absolutely right that things have simply wound down of late, the 2009 pizza killings aside, but quite how you can be so sure that there will not be a return to something resembling the Troubles if we start to erect sangars up and down the BCPs is, frankly, not enhancing any reputation for security matters-related insigt.Y0kel said:One comment on the last thread
'Do they really want a return to the killings?'
There will no return to the killings, because we have not stopped, its just a total change of pace as regards political or sectarian violence. its a bullshit question.
Those remainers who knock on as if somehow leaving the EU is going to plunge this place back to the 70s and early 80s. Seriously, go wise up.
On something actually more sensible. Well over a year ago I mentioned three names as regards the category of Who's in it for Russia with Trump. Paul Manafort, Carter Page & Felix Sater.
Manafort: Some within the US intelligence community think Manafort may have been working for Russian intelligence agencies whilst part of the Trump campaign.
Page: an FOI request about the Feds request to monitor him has resulted in it being on redacted record that there was suspicion that he was an asset working for Russian intelligence.
Sater: Linked to the Russian mob and dodgy cash. The overlap between the Russian state, its intelligence agencies and Russian organised crime is considerable so that you barely see the join.
Picture emerging. Not just mere contacts and doing some deals, we are now at suspected as working for Russian intelligence.0 -
TOPPING said:Y0kel said:
There is no large appetite to return to conflict, those who are wedded to doing things by the gun, or supporting such methodology actively or passively, are already there. They won't suddenly expand by hundreds or thousands. The status of NI in the EU doesn't change the in your blood allegiances for most, and it doesn't to turn them from peace loving hippies to armed activists whatever those allegiances.TOPPING said:
I am agreeing with you that it still exists. I am not agreeing with you that any kind of border infrastructure will not invite and galvanise any of those disparate groups to recommence more intense activities.Y0kel said:One comment on the last thread
It still exists
You say there will be no military or military-like presence and it will all be done via technology. Well I hope so - but if not, if there is any inspection hut or customs infrastructure, you will need (twenty?) three battalions on roulement to protect them.
As I have said on many posts on NI, if there really is an all-tech solution, then there is a chance that it scrapes through. If not, we are in a very bad place. Again.
I did not say it will be all done by technology.
What it will be done by is civilians and as much as viable will be done away from the most symbolic points, i.e. right on the border, which still has large tracts of territory hostile to anyone seen as working for the sate. Its be estimated by people in the haulage trade that there will be around 5 to 6 main transit routes for commercial cross border traffic and you just take that route. Legit traders will work with it because its trade.
Doing checks say 10 miles North of the Newry/Dundalk border or indeed up at he port of Belfast which is a major GB transit point for Irish/UK trade is no different. Belfast Port Authorities are already happy they can accommodate and manage. Of course they would, where people see hassle or loaded with political symbolism, they see it both as a hurdle that just has to be dealt for their continued profitability and they also know someone has to help pay for it.0 -
The Officials have been on ceasefire since 1972. Except for the faction that formed the INLA, of course.rpjs said:
Isn’t that what everyone was saying about the Officials fifty-odd years ago?Y0kel said:
3. The Provos have no desire to start up again.TOPPING said:
You are absolutely right that things have simply wound down of late, the 2009 pizza killings aside, but quite how you can be so sure that there will not be a return to something resembling the Troubles if we start to erect sangars up and down the BCPs is, frankly, not enhancing any reputation for security matters-related insigt.Y0kel said:One comment on the last thread
'Do they really want a return to the killings?'
There will no return to the killings, because we have not stopped, its just a total change of pace as regards political or sectarian violence. its a bullshit question.
Those remainers who knock on as if somehow leaving the EU is going to plunge this place back to the 70s and early 80s. Seriously, go wise up.
On something actually more sensible. Well over a year ago I mentioned three names as regards the category of Who's in it for Russia with Trump. Paul Manafort, Carter Page & Felix Sater.
Manafort: Some within the US intelligence community think Manafort may have been working for Russian intelligence agencies whilst part of the Trump campaign.
Page: an FOI request about the Feds request to monitor him has resulted in it being on redacted record that there was suspicion that he was an asset working for Russian intelligence.
Sater: Linked to the Russian mob and dodgy cash. The overlap between the Russian state, its intelligence agencies and Russian organised crime is considerable so that you barely see the join.
Picture emerging. Not just mere contacts and doing some deals, we are now at suspected as working for Russian intelligence.0 -
@Y0kel - Do you expect a border poll in the next few years?0
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And what massive part did the Officials as an organisation play in the near 30 years of shit between 69 and 98?rpjs said:
Isn’t that what everyone was saying about the Officials fifty-odd years ago?Y0kel said:
3. The Provos have no desire to start up again.TOPPING said:
You are absolutely right that things have simply wound down of late, the 2009 pizza killings aside, but quite how you can be so sure that there will not be a return to something resembling the Troubles if we start to erect sangars up and down the BCPs is, frankly, not enhancing any reputation for security matters-related insigt.Y0kel said:One comment on the last thread
'Do they really want a return to the killings?'
There will no return to the killings, because we have not stopped, its just a total change of pace as regards political or sectarian violence. its a bullshit question.
Those remainers who knock on as if somehow leaving the EU is going to plunge this place back to the 70s and early 80s. Seriously, go wise up.
On something actually more sensible. Well over a year ago I mentioned three names as regards the category of Who's in it for Russia with Trump. Paul Manafort, Carter Page & Felix Sater.
Manafort: Some within the US intelligence community think Manafort may have been working for Russian intelligence agencies whilst part of the Trump campaign.
Page: an FOI request about the Feds request to monitor him has resulted in it being on redacted record that there was suspicion that he was an asset working for Russian intelligence.
Sater: Linked to the Russian mob and dodgy cash. The overlap between the Russian state, its intelligence agencies and Russian organised crime is considerable so that you barely see the join.
Picture emerging. Not just mere contacts and doing some deals, we are now at suspected as working for Russian intelligence.
If you have no desire to go back to conflict what are you recruiting for?0 -
That comment is patently misreading what I have said. The groups who still exist and are out trying to do political violence will try whatever, that doesn't mean they will suddenly get a large influx of support or activists.TOPPING said:
On the one hand he is agreeing that the groups still exist and on the other that they will ignore what would be their greatest recruiting sergeantrpjs said:
Isn’t that what everyone was saying about the Officials fifty-odd years ago?Y0kel said:
3. The Provos have no desire to start up again.TOPPING said:
You are absolutely right that things have simply wound down of late, the 2009 pizza killings aside, but quite how you can be so sure that there will not be a return to something resembling the Troubles if we start to erect sangars up and down the BCPs is, frankly, not enhancing any reputation for security matters-related insigt.Y0kel said:One comment on the last thread
'Do they really want a return to the killings?'
There will no return to the killings, because we have not stopped, its just a total change of pace as regards political or sectarian violence. its a bullshit question.
Those remainers who knock on as if somehow leaving the EU is going to plunge this place back to the 70s and early 80s. Seriously, go wise up.
On something actually more sensible. Well over a year ago I mentioned three names as regards the category of Who's in it for Russia with Trump. Paul Manafort, Carter Page & Felix Sater.
Manafort: Some within the US intelligence community think Manafort may have been working for Russian intelligence agencies whilst part of the Trump campaign.
Page: an FOI request about the Feds request to monitor him has resulted in it being on redacted record that there was suspicion that he was an asset working for Russian intelligence.
Sater: Linked to the Russian mob and dodgy cash. The overlap between the Russian state, its intelligence agencies and Russian organised crime is considerable so that you barely see the join.
Picture emerging. Not just mere contacts and doing some deals, we are now at suspected as working for Russian intelligence.
The 'mainstream' republican movement as represented by Sinn Fein have made no suggestion of a return to political violence, none. No intelligence or security assessment has suggested a major uplift is likely.0 -
Public spending as a percentage of GDP was higher under Cameron than Blair.Danny565 said:And I can't think of a single domestic policy area where Blair was more conservative than Cameron was (I'll grant you there's an argument for foreign policy, depending on how one defines a conservative foreign policy).
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That’s an unfair comparison. You need to look at the starting point and the trendPhilip_Thompson said:
Public spending as a percentage of GDP was higher under Cameron than Blair.Danny565 said:And I can't think of a single domestic policy area where Blair was more conservative than Cameron was (I'll grant you there's an argument for foreign policy, depending on how one defines a conservative foreign policy).
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The debate already seems to be shifting towards the "how".
http://www.irishnews.com/news/politicalnews/2018/07/31/news/arlene-foster-claims-sinn-fe-in-can-t-answer-basic-questions-about-a-united-ireland-1396037/
Mrs Foster has accused Sinn Féin of not being able to answers practical questions about a united Ireland.
"Whilst there have been plenty of republican sound-bites about a border poll, one interview exposed that Sinn Fein has no answers to basic questions about a united Ireland such as what happens (to) our free-at-point-of-need health system," she said.0 -
Ending up with a united Ireland would be the only thing that would make me think Brexit was worth it.TOPPING said:
As I have said on many posts on NI, if there really is an all-tech solution, then there is a chance that it scrapes through. If not, we are in a very bad place. Again.0 -
Sinn Fein today or yesterday said they wouldn't want one short term and no one else of substantial support seems to be chasing it. Once Brexit is done and bedding in Sinn Fein will probably move to call for one as they may not succeed in an actual vote but may peel off enough people are Unionist but dislike Brexit, and therefore disinclined to vote, to make it close run thing.williamglenn said:@Y0kel - Do you expect a border poll in the next few years?
In that they'll probably be disappointed. Support for a United Ireland, even with Brexit looming varies between 30 and 40% depending on the poll. Thats a big gap to close. What many don't realise is the concept of 'Northern Irish' which is just as common a self designation as those who consider themselves Irish. Thats the people that those pitching for a United Ireland will have to persuade because well over 40% the population self designates as British first so they probably aren't going to be persuaded.
Pro-Union blocs needs maybe 40% or even less of those who self designate as Northern Irish to pull a comfortable majority. Not, I suspect, a huge task.
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You're in the ODC territory.Y0kel said:
That comment is patently misreading what I have said. The groups who still exist and are out trying to do political violence will try whatever, that doesn't mean they will suddenly get a large influx of support or activists.TOPPING said:
On the one hand he is agreeing that the groups still exist and on the other that they will ignore what would be their greatest recruiting sergeantrpjs said:
Isn’t that what everyone was saying about the Officials fifty-odd years ago?Y0kel said:
3. The Provos have no desire to start up again.TOPPING said:
You are absolutely right that things have simply wound down of late, the 2009 pizza killings aside, but quite how you can be so sure that there will not be a return to something resembling the Troubles if we start to erect sangars up and down the BCPs is, frankly, not enhancing any reputation for security matters-related insigt.Y0kel said:One comment on the last thread
'Do they really want a return to the killings?'
There will no return to the killings, because we have not stopped, its just a total change of pace as regards political or sectarian violence. its a bullshit question.
Those remainers who knock on as if somehow leaving the EU is going to plunge this place back to the 70s and early 80s. Seriously, go wise up.
On something actually more sensible. Well over a year ago I mentioned three names as regards the category of Who's in it for Russia with Trump. Paul Manafort, Carter Page & Felix Sater.
Manafort: Some within the US intelligence community think Manafort may have been working for Russian intelligence agencies whilst part of the Trump campaign.
Page: an FOI request about the Feds request to monitor him has resulted in it being on redacted record that there was suspicion that he was an asset working for Russian intelligence.
Sater: Linked to the Russian mob and dodgy cash. The overlap between the Russian state, its intelligence agencies and Russian organised crime is considerable so that you barely see the join.
Picture emerging. Not just mere contacts and doing some deals, we are now at suspected as working for Russian intelligence.
The 'mainstream' republican movement as represented by Sinn Fein have made no suggestion of a return to political violence, none. No intelligence or security assessment has suggested a major uplift is likely.
The 'Mainstream" republican movement can do whatever the hell it likes. It's the others you need to worry about. As Gerry Adams showed the other day.0 -
If we are playing harking back to the good old days, please can we have Maggie back? Even dead, she'd be better than MaySeanT said:BOOZY ANECDOTE ALERT
Had drinks with a smart, committed old lefty friend tonight. I despair of the Brexit-torn Tories and their Aspergery leader, he despairs of the revolting Corbynites and the now-officially-racist Labour party.
We both agreed we'd be happier if we, as a nation, were led by either Blair or Cameron (with the other as Opposition). And these are men we previously despised.
Strange days.0 -
Would be vaguely irritating for the green army (and perhaps the other lot) although no one I'm sure wants to interrupt the march of history.Dura_Ace said:
Ending up with a united Ireland would be the only thing that would make me think Brexit was worth it.TOPPING said:
As I have said on many posts on NI, if there really is an all-tech solution, then there is a chance that it scrapes through. If not, we are in a very bad place. Again.0 -
The Calexit campaign leader, who is based in Russia, is now proposing that half the territory of California be turned into an autonomous Native American nation that would act as a buffer zone between the USA and the independent California Republic.
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2018/07/31/calexit-supporters-revamp-campaign-with-plan-to-convert-half-california-into-autonomous-native-american-nation.html0 -
One of my favourite takes of today's Labour/Corbyn are anti-Semites are the shocking revelations he went to a meeting where a Jewish Holocaust survivor was allowed to speak freely.
Edit: Also, yay new podcast.0 -
Phew.TheJezziah said:One of my favourite takes of today's Labour/Corbyn are anti-Semites are the shocking revelations he went to a meeting where a Jewish Holocaust survivor was allowed to speak freely.
Edit: Also, yay new podcast.
We were wondering when the 24-hr Jew guy would be back on.0 -
If it isn't my favourite Islamophobe...TOPPING said:
Phew.TheJezziah said:One of my favourite takes of today's Labour/Corbyn are anti-Semites are the shocking revelations he went to a meeting where a Jewish Holocaust survivor was allowed to speak freely.
Edit: Also, yay new podcast.
We were wondering when the 24-hr Jew guy would be back on.
Also, boo no new podcast until tomorrow.0 -
75 euro a night to stay in hospital, 50 euro to see a GP and 100 euro to go to A&E unless your household income is below 17000 euro (yes that low for a couple with two kids) and you qualify for a medical card. And yes those charges even apply to kids over 8 (unless they have cancer so are exempt from these charges) and pensioners.williamglenn said:The debate already seems to be shifting towards the "how".
http://www.irishnews.com/news/politicalnews/2018/07/31/news/arlene-foster-claims-sinn-fe-in-can-t-answer-basic-questions-about-a-united-ireland-1396037/
Mrs Foster has accused Sinn Féin of not being able to answers practical questions about a united Ireland.
"Whilst there have been plenty of republican sound-bites about a border poll, one interview exposed that Sinn Fein has no answers to basic questions about a united Ireland such as what happens (to) our free-at-point-of-need health system," she said.
Hello Dublin bye bye NHS?0 -
They are a bit more complex than that. The humans are helping train a background AI.rpjs said:
Facial recognition doesn’t work. The e-gates at Heathrow actually have a human monitoring six at a time and checking the person at the gate matches their passport photo.SeanT said:FPT the passport thing, TMay is such an idiot, she has no common touch, she entirely lacks a sense of the popular battles to fight. No one with an IQ over 40 cares if they have to go in passport queues with other people, they care that they don't have to wait over 5 minutes - and with modern face-recognition technology, that is all it should, and will, take.
I'm quite liking Javid. I see no better choice. I like his cullions in confronting Pakistani/Muslim grooming for what it is: racist.
Get rid of TMay once she has sold us her shit Brexit, then install Javid so he can win the next GE and negotiate a better deal over time.0 -
I thought middle class cocaine uses bought from the dark web these days and stayed well away from gangs of any sortAndyJS said:O/T
"Middle-class cocaine users helping drug gangs destroy society, says Met chief"
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2018/07/31/middle-class-cocaine-users-care-planet-ignore-drugs-destroy/0 -
From a practical perspective, I can't think of any better way to drive business out of London than to require French bankers to spend 45 minutes in a queuebrendan16 said:
Shame we gave up freedom of movement to the Commonwealth in 1973 - but that is hardly practical now as we require visas for some Commonwealth tourists.RobD said:
It should be British + commonwealth realms (although that might not be a popular idea amongst Britons on flights from Sydney!)rpjs said:FPT:
Surely because of the Ireland Act it would have to be a separate line for British and Irish passports?Foxy said:
Either the plan is to be beastly to foreign visitors, or perhaps the British queue has free tea and jammie dodgers to welcome Brits back from forign parts.williamglenn said:
I think the May lanes would be British and perhaps Irish passports only given the CTA0 -
Do you know plenty of islamophobes for me to be your favourite?TheJezziah said:
If it isn't my favourite Islamophobe...TOPPING said:
Phew.TheJezziah said:One of my favourite takes of today's Labour/Corbyn are anti-Semites are the shocking revelations he went to a meeting where a Jewish Holocaust survivor was allowed to speak freely.
Edit: Also, yay new podcast.
We were wondering when the 24-hr Jew guy would be back on.
Also, boo no new podcast until tomorrow.0 -
Don’t most Irish people carry supplementary insurance for those costs? Given that Ireland is now wealthier per capita than the UK, I’m sure Dublin could nationalize that supplementary insurance to sweeten the deal for the North.brendan16 said:
75 euro a night to stay in hospital, 50 euro to see a GP and 100 euro to go to A&E unless your household income is below 17000 euro (yes that low for a couple with two kids) and you qualify for a medical card. And yes those charges even apply to kids over 8 (unless they have cancer so are exempt from these charges) and pensioners.williamglenn said:The debate already seems to be shifting towards the "how".
http://www.irishnews.com/news/politicalnews/2018/07/31/news/arlene-foster-claims-sinn-fe-in-can-t-answer-basic-questions-about-a-united-ireland-1396037/
Mrs Foster has accused Sinn Féin of not being able to answers practical questions about a united Ireland.
"Whilst there have been plenty of republican sound-bites about a border poll, one interview exposed that Sinn Fein has no answers to basic questions about a united Ireland such as what happens (to) our free-at-point-of-need health system," she said.
Hello Dublin bye bye NHS?0 -
Unless they were planning on dealing out big amounts themselves I don't imagine they'd have to meet anyone that they might think of as a gang member anyway but someone quite low on the food chain who may buy from the kind of people they would stay well away from or from the darkweb.rcs1000 said:
I thought middle class cocaine uses bought from the dark web these days and stayed well away from gangs of any sortAndyJS said:O/T
"Middle-class cocaine users helping drug gangs destroy society, says Met chief"
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2018/07/31/middle-class-cocaine-users-care-planet-ignore-drugs-destroy/
It is one of the advantages of legalising say marijuana and maybe other lesser drugs that people retain that fear factor of going to meet someone to buy drugs rather than it becoming normalised for a significant percentage.
Edit: Although I would imagine the dark web must be cutting into profits.0 -
I already gave you 1st place, don't let your insecurities wreck the moment for you.TOPPING said:
Do you know plenty of islamophobes for me to be your favourite?TheJezziah said:
If it isn't my favourite Islamophobe...TOPPING said:
Phew.TheJezziah said:One of my favourite takes of today's Labour/Corbyn are anti-Semites are the shocking revelations he went to a meeting where a Jewish Holocaust survivor was allowed to speak freely.
Edit: Also, yay new podcast.
We were wondering when the 24-hr Jew guy would be back on.
Also, boo no new podcast until tomorrow.0 -
So you surround yourself with islamophobes so as to judge one of them your favourite.TheJezziah said:
I already gave you 1st place, don't let your insecurities wreck the moment for you.TOPPING said:
Do you know plenty of islamophobes for me to be your favourite?TheJezziah said:
If it isn't my favourite Islamophobe...TOPPING said:
Phew.TheJezziah said:One of my favourite takes of today's Labour/Corbyn are anti-Semites are the shocking revelations he went to a meeting where a Jewish Holocaust survivor was allowed to speak freely.
Edit: Also, yay new podcast.
We were wondering when the 24-hr Jew guy would be back on.
Also, boo no new podcast until tomorrow.
What an interesting and complex character you are.0 -
If telling yourself you are first among many gives you a little kick then I really don't want to get in the way of that...TOPPING said:
So you surround yourself with islamophobes so as to judge one of them your favourite.TheJezziah said:
I already gave you 1st place, don't let your insecurities wreck the moment for you.TOPPING said:
Do you know plenty of islamophobes for me to be your favourite?TheJezziah said:
If it isn't my favourite Islamophobe...TOPPING said:
Phew.TheJezziah said:One of my favourite takes of today's Labour/Corbyn are anti-Semites are the shocking revelations he went to a meeting where a Jewish Holocaust survivor was allowed to speak freely.
Edit: Also, yay new podcast.
We were wondering when the 24-hr Jew guy would be back on.
Also, boo no new podcast until tomorrow.
What an interesting and complex character you are.0 -
It's like he's playing Islamophobe Pokemon.TOPPING said:
So you surround yourself with islamophobes so as to judge one of them your favourite.TheJezziah said:
I already gave you 1st place, don't let your insecurities wreck the moment for you.TOPPING said:
Do you know plenty of islamophobes for me to be your favourite?TheJezziah said:
If it isn't my favourite Islamophobe...TOPPING said:
Phew.TheJezziah said:One of my favourite takes of today's Labour/Corbyn are anti-Semites are the shocking revelations he went to a meeting where a Jewish Holocaust survivor was allowed to speak freely.
Edit: Also, yay new podcast.
We were wondering when the 24-hr Jew guy would be back on.
Also, boo no new podcast until tomorrow.
What an interesting and complex character you are.0 -
Hey, everyone has got to have a hobbyTOPPING said:
So you surround yourself with islamophobes so as to judge one of them your favourite.TheJezziah said:
I already gave you 1st place, don't let your insecurities wreck the moment for you.TOPPING said:
Do you know plenty of islamophobes for me to be your favourite?TheJezziah said:
If it isn't my favourite Islamophobe...TOPPING said:
Phew.TheJezziah said:One of my favourite takes of today's Labour/Corbyn are anti-Semites are the shocking revelations he went to a meeting where a Jewish Holocaust survivor was allowed to speak freely.
Edit: Also, yay new podcast.
We were wondering when the 24-hr Jew guy would be back on.
Also, boo no new podcast until tomorrow.
What an interesting and complex character you are.0 -
Gotta catch em all...Dura_Ace said:
It's like he's playing Islamophobe Pokemon.TOPPING said:
So you surround yourself with islamophobes so as to judge one of them your favourite.TheJezziah said:
I already gave you 1st place, don't let your insecurities wreck the moment for you.TOPPING said:
Do you know plenty of islamophobes for me to be your favourite?TheJezziah said:
If it isn't my favourite Islamophobe...TOPPING said:
Phew.TheJezziah said:One of my favourite takes of today's Labour/Corbyn are anti-Semites are the shocking revelations he went to a meeting where a Jewish Holocaust survivor was allowed to speak freely.
Edit: Also, yay new podcast.
We were wondering when the 24-hr Jew guy would be back on.
Also, boo no new podcast until tomorrow.
What an interesting and complex character you are.0 -
At Gare du Nord? It doesn't drive them away from Singapore or New York. Since UK will be a 'Third country' does anyone expect the EU to have passport lanes for 'EU and UK Citizens'?rcs1000 said:
From a practical perspective, I can't think of any better way to drive business out of London than to require French bankers to spend 45 minutes in a queuebrendan16 said:
Shame we gave up freedom of movement to the Commonwealth in 1973 - but that is hardly practical now as we require visas for some Commonwealth tourists.RobD said:
It should be British + commonwealth realms (although that might not be a popular idea amongst Britons on flights from Sydney!)rpjs said:FPT:
Surely because of the Ireland Act it would have to be a separate line for British and Irish passports?Foxy said:
Either the plan is to be beastly to foreign visitors, or perhaps the British queue has free tea and jammie dodgers to welcome Brits back from forign parts.williamglenn said:
I think the May lanes would be British and perhaps Irish passports only given the CTA0 -
"Remainers have to hope there is a crisis" in order to try to reverse Brexit, Grant pointed out.
He said that this was a "high-risk strategy", because many perceive it as "scaremongering."
Pressure for a second vote "will come with renewed force after summer," predicted Menon, because it will be the last chance for 'Remain' supporters, before the EU and the UK try to reach a deal and the UK parliament votes to ratify it.
According to the Sky TV poll, 78 percent of Britons think that the government is doing a bad job on Brexit, and 42 percent - against 31 percent - think that Brexit will be bad for them.
Grant insisted however that public opinion's "shift towards regret [was] very small."
He noted that Remain led by a few percentage points in recent polls, the trend was similar ahead of the June 2016. And while some Leave voters may turn to Remain, the opposite was also true, especially due to a perception that the EU is "bullying the British".
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I've never waited more than five minutes in Singapore. And New York doesn't have Boston offering five minute immigration queues in competition.CarlottaVance said:
At Gare du Nord? It doesn't drive them away from Singapore or New York. Since UK will be a 'Third country' does anyone expect the EU to have passport lanes for 'EU and UK Citizens'?rcs1000 said:
From a practical perspective, I can't think of any better way to drive business out of London than to require French bankers to spend 45 minutes in a queuebrendan16 said:
Shame we gave up freedom of movement to the Commonwealth in 1973 - but that is hardly practical now as we require visas for some Commonwealth tourists.RobD said:
It should be British + commonwealth realms (although that might not be a popular idea amongst Britons on flights from Sydney!)rpjs said:FPT:
Surely because of the Ireland Act it would have to be a separate line for British and Irish passports?Foxy said:
Either the plan is to be beastly to foreign visitors, or perhaps the British queue has free tea and jammie dodgers to welcome Brits back from forign parts.williamglenn said:
I think the May lanes would be British and perhaps Irish passports only given the CTA0 -
Lucky you! In my experience Singapore is worse than Jakarta. The queuing system is very inefficient - lots of individual lines for single booths - not one long line breaking into short queues near the end. So if you get stuck with a slow officer or a problematic entrant you're snookered.rcs1000 said:
I've never waited more than five minutes in Singapore. And New York doesn't have Boston offering five minute immigration queues in competition.CarlottaVance said:
At Gare du Nord? It doesn't drive them away from Singapore or New York. Since UK will be a 'Third country' does anyone expect the EU to have passport lanes for 'EU and UK Citizens'?rcs1000 said:
From a practical perspective, I can't think of any better way to drive business out of London than to require French bankers to spend 45 minutes in a queuebrendan16 said:
Shame we gave up freedom of movement to the Commonwealth in 1973 - but that is hardly practical now as we require visas for some Commonwealth tourists.RobD said:
It should be British + commonwealth realms (although that might not be a popular idea amongst Britons on flights from Sydney!)rpjs said:FPT:
Surely because of the Ireland Act it would have to be a separate line for British and Irish passports?Foxy said:
Either the plan is to be beastly to foreign visitors, or perhaps the British queue has free tea and jammie dodgers to welcome Brits back from forign parts.williamglenn said:
I think the May lanes would be British and perhaps Irish passports only given the CTA
Why would the UK offer EU citizens something the EU won't offer UK Citizens?0 -
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