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Mr. F, saw something about that on Twitter. It's deeply disturbing but will likely get relatively little coverage.
Mr. Sandpit, actually, I did that already. Surprised he was 4.33 for the win. Still is.0 -
I clicked on an old thread and it was on there.Morris_Dancer said:Mr. Eagles, if I didn't know someone online who has a perfect memory (literally, he remembers everything you ever say), I might be disturbed that you remember my voting record.
Surprised my voting Conservative at the last couple of General Elections didn't earn me good karma, though.
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Exactly!John_M said:
In fairness, many remainers would like us to vote and vote again until the answer comes out right. Can't get more democratic than that, surely?felix said:
Yup - let's not bother with this democracy thing - so inconvenient and just a bunch of oldies who don't count for nothing.Beverley_C said:0 -
Even venerable old me was born 5 years after rationing ended. No Empire either. Remainers are just bizarre.Fenman said:0 -
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Mr Eagles,
"Is Mark Reckless about to re-defect back to UKIP?"
My man of the year? Nay, my man of the century! You can't blame him for having no mental agility. The very antithesis of Jezza.0 -
Did he rejoin the Conservatives?Tissue_Price said:0 -
Fake news from BevCBeverley_C said:
And she appointed prominent Leavers to departments to do with Leaving and they did nothing.CD13 said:Ms C,
"Really? So far, the Leavers in charge seem to have managed nothing except to complain."
The last time I looked the PM was in charge of the government and civil service.
Ask other Eurosceptics and all we get are promises and platitudes. No concrete plans, just cherry picks and fantasies.
DExEU came up with a white paper on a CETA++ model, which was overruled by May.
So Leavers tried, and Olly Robbin’s department and Remainers cut them up. Quelle surprise.
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Treat it with a pinch of salt for the moment - there's a track record of such announcements only for further research to throw doubt on them. We went through the same thing with something called Recurring Slope Lineae, yet further research showed it is probably dirt moving rather than water.Pulpstar said:Lake found on Mars - https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-44952710
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Seasonal_flows_on_warm_Martian_slopes#Recurrent_slope_lineae_near_equator0 -
Well, at least they know where to land orbiters with some Reverse Osmosis kit aboard. The only annoying thing is, that in terms of orbital mechanics, polar areas are not preferred because they lack angular momentum for the returning launch as well as the extra velocity that has to be bled off for landing.Sunil_Prasannan said:
Mars? Has it been trademarked like Toblerone?Pulpstar said:Lake found on Mars - https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-44952710
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Did she ban David Davis from meeting other European leaders and trying to sell his ideas to them?Mortimer said:
Fake news from BevCBeverley_C said:
And she appointed prominent Leavers to departments to do with Leaving and they did nothing.CD13 said:Ms C,
"Really? So far, the Leavers in charge seem to have managed nothing except to complain."
The last time I looked the PM was in charge of the government and civil service.
Ask other Eurosceptics and all we get are promises and platitudes. No concrete plans, just cherry picks and fantasies.
DExEU came up with a white paper on CETA++, which was overruled by May.
So Leavers tried, and Olly Robbin’s department and Remainers cut them up. Quelle surprise.0 -
With you mentioning that, I wondered at the scale of the impact of 4% of GDP on tax take/spending as against the claimed Brexit Dividend (looking at either £350m/wk as claimed, £240m/wk with rebate and ignoring any EU spending in the UK).TOPPING said:
I think that is perfectly fair. You voted to make the country poorer and deemed that foregone 4% was a price worth paying. If only all Leavers were so honest.Sean_F said:
I for one have never assumed that the EU would be caving into every demand we made. If they did, we wouldn't be leaving.DavidL said:
And remainers had nothing to offer because being in the EU is sub optimal and destined to get worse, especially for countries not in the Euro. We decided. We do not want to be a small part of a European superstate. For 90% + the rest is details.grabcocque said:
It was going to be so easy. We held all the cards. The EU27 would be climbing over each other to offer us favourable trade deals. We'd have several trade deals done and dusted. Other countries would be following us out the door.DavidL said:
I don’t think anyone or either side thought that the EU would be so ridiculous about NI but did anyone seriously think that leaving the CU and the SM would have no effect on administrative arrangements ?
Brexiteer delusions came so fast and loose in those days before Reality happened.
I looked at the worst case scenario, (output being 4% lower by 2030 than would otherwise be the case) and concluded that was an acceptable level of risk.
Slightly puts to bed the whole "Brexit Dividend" thing but at least there is no arguing with your position.
As I have long said, the likely outcome is a diminution of wealth that people, especially people who have a great amount of it, are unlikely to notice and hence are happy to forego.
Our economy is pretty much £2 trillion per annum. Tax take is 33.2% of that, so £664bn per year, or £12.8bn per week. Four percent of that is £510 million per week.
So, if the impact is 4% of GDP, there is a Brexit Dividend. Sadly, it's negative.
Amount sent to Brussels = £240 m/wk, minus £510 m/wk = -£270 million/wk.
If the impact is greater than 1.88% of GDP, the Brexit Dividend is negative. If it's less than that, it's positive. Amusingly, if the impact is as large as 4.6% of GDP, it would mean Brexit has cost us £350m/wk.
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Mark Reckless deserves a red hot poker up his arse*Tissue_Price said:
I said that in 2014 and it still applies in 2018.
*I used stronger language than that.0 -
He tried to but Mrs May wouldn’t allow it.Sean_F said:
Did he rejoin the Conservatives?Tissue_Price said:
So he sat with the Tory grouping.0 -
To be fair, CETA++ was never on the table. The EU have been very clear that we could be Norway or Canada (I suppose, at a pinch, Switzerland, even though the EU doesn't particularly like that arrangment). They don't have the flexibility for exotica like CETA++ or Norway-.Mortimer said:
Fake news from BevCBeverley_C said:
And she appointed prominent Leavers to departments to do with Leaving and they did nothing.CD13 said:Ms C,
"Really? So far, the Leavers in charge seem to have managed nothing except to complain."
The last time I looked the PM was in charge of the government and civil service.
Ask other Eurosceptics and all we get are promises and platitudes. No concrete plans, just cherry picks and fantasies.
DExEU came up with a white paper on a CETA++ model, which was overruled by May.
So Leavers tried, and Olly Robbin’s department and Remainers cut them up. Quelle surprise.0 -
He wasn't allowed to, but he has been caucusing with them.Sean_F said:
Did he rejoin the Conservatives?Tissue_Price said:
He must be getting dizzy from the oscillations.0 -
Why did David Cameron allow David "Treason" Campbell Bannerman to rejoin the Conservatives?TheScreamingEagles said:
He tried to but Mrs May wouldn’t allow it.Sean_F said:
Did he rejoin the Conservatives?Tissue_Price said:
So he sat with the Tory grouping.0 -
You can only pack so much into 3.5 hours.....williamglenn said:
Did she ban David Davis from meeting other European leaders and trying to sell his ideas to them?Mortimer said:
Fake news from BevCBeverley_C said:
And she appointed prominent Leavers to departments to do with Leaving and they did nothing.CD13 said:Ms C,
"Really? So far, the Leavers in charge seem to have managed nothing except to complain."
The last time I looked the PM was in charge of the government and civil service.
Ask other Eurosceptics and all we get are promises and platitudes. No concrete plans, just cherry picks and fantasies.
DExEU came up with a white paper on CETA++, which was overruled by May.
So Leavers tried, and Olly Robbin’s department and Remainers cut them up. Quelle surprise.0 -
Do we take it you don’t think much of him?TheScreamingEagles said:
Mark Reckless deserves a red hot poker up his arse*Tissue_Price said:
I said that in 2014 and it still applies in 2018.
*I used stronger language than that.0 -
Ironically, even if he'd been found guilty in Sweden, he'd likely have been released by now, and life in a Swedish prison can hardly be worse than being cooped up in a one room flat for six years.Scott_P said:
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Also, they'd need to get down to it. There are drilling systems that might be able to do it (several by a brilliant US company called Honeybee, and ESA will have a drill on their ExoMars lander, albeit only down to a couple of metres).Beverley_C said:
Well, at least they know where to land orbiters with some Reverse Osmosis kit aboard. The only annoying thing is, that in terms of orbital mechanics, polar areas are not preferred because they lack angular momentum for the returning launch as well as the extra velocity that has to be bled off for landing.Sunil_Prasannan said:
Mars? Has it been trademarked like Toblerone?Pulpstar said:Lake found on Mars - https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-44952710
More interesting is the fact that such a lake would be an absolute hive for life. If confirmed, I'm preparing for this to have a negative effect on plans for manned Mars landings.
https://www.honeybeerobotics.com/technology/drilling/0 -
From 2014, I have no idea how this Tory MP picked up this line.
https://twitter.com/jimwaterson/status/516375124027899904?s=210 -
What did this say? It's been deleted.williamglenn said:From a Conservative MEP.
https://twitter.com/dcbmep/status/1022031122165915648?s=210 -
It is the "in" thing, but I am not as good at it as Donald or LeaversMortimer said:Fake news from BevC
Because it would not work (Norn Iron borders)Mortimer said:DExEU came up with a white paper on a CETA++ model, which was overruled by May.
No french please, we're BritishMortimer said:So Leavers tried, and Olly Robbin’s department and Remainers cut them up. Quelle surprise.
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From the above quote, Mr Eagles appears to have rather softened on him. I'm sure it used to be: "red hot poker up the arse followed by ritual disembowelling with his Tory membership card" ...OldKingCole said:
Do we take it you don’t think much of him?TheScreamingEagles said:
Mark Reckless deserves a red hot poker up his arse*Tissue_Price said:
I said that in 2014 and it still applies in 2018.
*I used stronger language than that.0 -
To add to the irony, before he went into self-imposed captivity, most people thought it was a bit far-fetched that the US would want to extradite him. Now it looks like there is prima facie case against him based purely on what he got up whilst holed up.Sean_F said:Ironically, even if he'd been found guilty in Sweden, he'd likely have been released by now, and life in a Swedish prison can hardly be worse than being cooped up in a one room flat for six years.
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It took me longer to get from to London with Ryanair from Italy than it does from Singapore with SQ....Sean_F said:
Flying once with Ryanair was once too often for me.Casino_Royale said:
Flying is expensive. Most people are willing to begrudgingly accept a couple of hours of discomfort to get to where they need to go.not_on_fire said:
And the point of Ryanair is that for most people the decrease in fares outweighs the reduced qualityCasino_Royale said:
It’s certainly shaken up the industry but I wouldn’t call it outstanding.matt said:
It's an outstanding airline which has revolutionised passenger air travel in Europe. There are a (relatively) small number of whinging passengers who don't understand the product and seem to think that air travel makes one special.Casino_Royale said:
It’s an amazing airline. Both the staff and passengers seem to hate it but keep coming back to it too.MarqueeMark said:
Whenever the boss of Ryanair makes another pronouncement about Brexit, look behind the curtain to see what he is trying to distract you from seeing.....CarlottaVance said:Perhaps Mr Varadkar should be worrying about planes nearer to home....
https://twitter.com/FinancialTimes/status/1022079453244022784
I think the quality of experience of flying has deteriorated over the last 20 years and I avoid flying wherever possible, Ryanair being near the bottom of my list.
It doesn’t mean the airline is loved.0 -
It said this:AndyJS said:
What did this say? It's been deleted.williamglenn said:From a Conservative MEP.
https://twitter.com/dcbmep/status/1022031122165915648?s=21
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https://twitter.com/barristersecret/status/1022090774106853377?s=21AndyJS said:
What did this say? It's been deleted.williamglenn said:From a Conservative MEP.
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Would UKIP accept him back? Surely even they have standards?Tissue_Price said:0 -
You and your economist-like ramblings. We don't do that kind of analysis round these parts. We just feel it will be so.Andy_Cooke said:
With you mentioning that, I wondered at the scale of the impact of 4% of GDP on tax take/spending as against the claimed Brexit Dividend (looking at either £350m/wk as claimed, £240m/wk with rebate and ignoring any EU spending in the UK).TOPPING said:
I think that is perfectly fair. You voted to make the country poorer and deemed that foregone 4% was a price worth paying. If only all Leavers were so honest.Sean_F said:
I for one have never assumed that the EU would be caving into every demand we made. If they did, we wouldn't be leaving.DavidL said:
And remainers had nothing to offer because being in the EU is sub optimal and destined to get worse, especially for countries not in the Euro. We decided. We do not want to be a small part of a European superstate. For 90% + the rest is details.grabcocque said:
It was going to be so easy. We held all the cards. The EU27 would be climbing over each other to offer us favourable trade deals. We'd have several trade deals done and dusted. Other countries would be following us out the door.DavidL said:
I don’t think anyone or either side thought that the EU would be so ridiculous about NI but did anyone seriously think that leaving the CU and the SM would have no effect on administrative arrangements ?
Brexiteer delusions came so fast and loose in those days before Reality happened.
I looked at the worst case scenario, (output being 4% lower by 2030 than would otherwise be the case) and concluded that was an acceptable level of risk.
Slightly puts to bed the whole "Brexit Dividend" thing but at least there is no arguing with your position.
As I have long said, the likely outcome is a diminution of wealth that people, especially people who have a great amount of it, are unlikely to notice and hence are happy to forego.
Our economy is pretty much £2 trillion per annum. Tax take is 33.2% of that, so £664bn per year, or £12.8bn per week. Four percent of that is £510 million per week.
So, if the impact is 4% of GDP, there is a Brexit Dividend. Sadly, it's negative.
Amount sent to Brussels = £240 m/wk, minus £510 m/wk = -£270 million/wk.
If the impact is greater than 1.88% of GDP, the Brexit Dividend is negative. If it's less than that, it's positive. Amusingly, if the impact is as large as 4.6% of GDP, it would mean Brexit has cost us £350m/wk.0 -
If I said what I really thought of Mark Reckless I’d get a permanent ban from PB.JosiasJessop said:
From the above quote, Mr Eagles appears to have rather softened on him. I'm sure it used to be: "red hot poker up the arse followed by ritual disembowelling with his Tory membership card" ...OldKingCole said:
Do we take it you don’t think much of him?TheScreamingEagles said:
Mark Reckless deserves a red hot poker up his arse*Tissue_Price said:
I said that in 2014 and it still applies in 2018.
*I used stronger language than that.
Ditto about his fellow shithead Carswell.0 -
"Would not be accepted by the luddite EU" more accurately.Beverley_C said:
Because it would not work (Norn Iron borders)
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To be fair to Mr Edmonds, a number of staff at the bank went to prison for defrauding customers.TheScreamingEagles said:ttps://twitter.com/SamCoatesTimes/status/1022116345209659392
ttps://twitter.com/SamCoatesTimes/status/1022122416171044864
ttps://twitter.com/samcoatestimes/status/1022122460542631936?s=21
https://www.bbc.com/news/business-398773920 -
The Ryanair staff plainly hated the passengers that were flying with them.CarlottaVance said:
It took me longer to get from to London with Ryanair from Italy than it does from Singapore with SQ....Sean_F said:
Flying once with Ryanair was once too often for me.Casino_Royale said:
Flying is expensive. Most people are willing to begrudgingly accept a couple of hours of discomfort to get to where they need to go.not_on_fire said:
And the point of Ryanair is that for most people the decrease in fares outweighs the reduced qualityCasino_Royale said:
It’s certainly shaken up the industry but I wouldn’t call it outstanding.matt said:
It's an outstanding airline which has revolutionised passenger air travel in Europe. There are a (relatively) small number of whinging passengers who don't understand the product and seem to think that air travel makes one special.Casino_Royale said:
It’s an amazing airline. Both the staff and passengers seem to hate it but keep coming back to it too.MarqueeMark said:
Whenever the boss of Ryanair makes another pronouncement about Brexit, look behind the curtain to see what he is trying to distract you from seeing.....CarlottaVance said:Perhaps Mr Varadkar should be worrying about planes nearer to home....
https://twitter.com/FinancialTimes/status/1022079453244022784
I think the quality of experience of flying has deteriorated over the last 20 years and I avoid flying wherever possible, Ryanair being near the bottom of my list.
It doesn’t mean the airline is loved.
Easyjet is no frills, but (with one exception) I've found the staff pleasant and helpful.
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I think it’s part of the reason so many were so reluctant to speak out in Rotherham for so long.Sean_F said:O/T there's a really disturbing report in the Times about the amount of abuse that Sarah Champion is getting from apologists for child rape in Rotherham. Apparently, she now needs police protection.
It also shows how brave she is. I have a lot of respect for her.0 -
From what I have read, the brine content needed to keep it liquid would probably make it sterile.JosiasJessop said:
Also, they'd need to get down to it. There are drilling systems that might be able to do it (several by a brilliant US company called Honeybee, and ESA will have a drill on their ExoMars lander, albeit only down to a couple of metres).Beverley_C said:
Well, at least they know where to land orbiters with some Reverse Osmosis kit aboard. The only annoying thing is, that in terms of orbital mechanics, polar areas are not preferred because they lack angular momentum for the returning launch as well as the extra velocity that has to be bled off for landing.Sunil_Prasannan said:
Mars? Has it been trademarked like Toblerone?Pulpstar said:Lake found on Mars - https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-44952710
More interesting is the fact that such a lake would be an absolute hive for life. If confirmed, I'm preparing for this to have a negative effect on plans for manned Mars landings.
https://www.honeybeerobotics.com/technology/drilling/
A bit of digging shows it to be 1500 metres below the surface 0 -
I can only imagine he feels even worse was in store for him, and felt extradition and lifelong detention in the US was a serious danger.Sean_F said:
Ironically, even if he'd been found guilty in Sweden, he'd likely have been released by now, and life in a Swedish prison can hardly be worse than being cooped up in a one room flat for six years.Scott_P said:0 -
Perhaps he meant the 1351 Act which has a number of definitions of treason including giving adherence, comfort or aid to the King or (Queen's) enemies in his (or her) realm or elsewhereTheScreamingEagles said:
https://twitter.com/barristersecret/status/1022090774106853377?s=21AndyJS said:
What did this say? It's been deleted.williamglenn said:From a Conservative MEP.
https://twitter.com/dcbmep/status/1022031122165915648?s=21
http://www.legislation.gov.uk/aep/Edw3Stat5/25/2/contents
It's no longer in force though!0 -
Campbell Bannerman also seems to think the death penalty ought to apply to Remainers.
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"Europe Elects
@EuropeElects
2h2 hours ago
UK, ICM poll:
LAB-S&D: 41% (+2)
CON-ECR: 40% (-1)
LDEM-ALDE: 8% (-1)
UKIP-EFDD: 5% (+1)
Greens-G/EFA: 3%
Field work: 20/07/18 – 22/07/18
Sample size: 2,010"0 -
I guess he posted that after a particularly strong gin and tonic.TheScreamingEagles said:
https://twitter.com/barristersecret/status/1022090774106853377?s=21AndyJS said:
What did this say? It's been deleted.williamglenn said:From a Conservative MEP.
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It’s the seats on Ryanair that I find unpleasant. Not the staff, most of whom were courteous and helpful.Sean_F said:
The Ryanair staff plainly hated the passengers that were flying with them.CarlottaVance said:
It took me longer to get from to London with Ryanair from Italy than it does from Singapore with SQ....Sean_F said:
Flying once with Ryanair was once too often for me.Casino_Royale said:
Flying is expensive. Most people are willing to begrudgingly accept a couple of hours of discomfort to get to where they need to go.not_on_fire said:
And the point of Ryanair is that for most people the decrease in fares outweighs the reduced qualityCasino_Royale said:
It’s certainly shaken up the industry but I wouldn’t call it outstanding.matt said:
It's an outstanding airline which has revolutionised passenger air travel in Europe. There are a (relatively) small number of whinging passengers who don't understand the product and seem to think that air travel makes one special.Casino_Royale said:
It’s an amazing airline. Both the staff and passengers seem to hate it but keep coming back to it too.MarqueeMark said:
Whenever the boss of Ryanair makes another pronouncement about Brexit, look behind the curtain to see what he is trying to distract you from seeing.....CarlottaVance said:Perhaps Mr Varadkar should be worrying about planes nearer to home....
https://twitter.com/FinancialTimes/status/1022079453244022784
I think the quality of experience of flying has deteriorated over the last 20 years and I avoid flying wherever possible, Ryanair being near the bottom of my list.
It doesn’t mean the airline is loved.
Easyjet is no frills, but (with one exception) I've found the staff pleasant and helpful.
And anyway, it’s not so much Ryanair I object to as Stansted.0 -
I use Ryanair regularly and I have no great problem with them. Treat them like a bus rather than expecting Emirates First Class and they're fine.0
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I’d sooner eat a pizza laden with pineapple than be in the same party as Mark Reckless.OldKingCole said:
Do we take it you don’t think much of him?TheScreamingEagles said:
Mark Reckless deserves a red hot poker up his arse*Tissue_Price said:
I said that in 2014 and it still applies in 2018.
*I used stronger language than that.0 -
No and I usually love all things Benedict Cumberbatch.Mortimer said:0 -
Stansted is a hellhole.OldKingCole said:
It’s the seats on Ryanair that I find unpleasant. Not the staff, most of whom were courteous and helpful.Sean_F said:
The Ryanair staff plainly hated the passengers that were flying with them.CarlottaVance said:
It took me longer to get from to London with Ryanair from Italy than it does from Singapore with SQ....Sean_F said:
Flying once with Ryanair was once too often for me.Casino_Royale said:
Flying is expensive. Most people are willing to begrudgingly accept a couple of hours of discomfort to get to where they need to go.not_on_fire said:
And the point of Ryanair is that for most people the decrease in fares outweighs the reduced qualityCasino_Royale said:
It’s certainly shaken up the industry but I wouldn’t call it outstanding.matt said:
It's an outstanding airline which has revolutionised passenger air travel in Europe. There are a (relatively) small number of whinging passengers who don't understand the product and seem to think that air travel makes one special.Casino_Royale said:
It’s an amazing airline. Both the staff and passengers seem to hate it but keep coming back to it too.MarqueeMark said:
Whenever the boss of Ryanair makes another pronouncement about Brexit, look behind the curtain to see what he is trying to distract you from seeing.....CarlottaVance said:Perhaps Mr Varadkar should be worrying about planes nearer to home....
https://twitter.com/FinancialTimes/status/1022079453244022784
I think the quality of experience of flying has deteriorated over the last 20 years and I avoid flying wherever possible, Ryanair being near the bottom of my list.
It doesn’t mean the airline is loved.
Easyjet is no frills, but (with one exception) I've found the staff pleasant and helpful.
And anyway, it’s not so much Ryanair I object to as Stansted.0 -
Well he posted it just after 9am today.AndyJS said:
I guess he posted that after a particularly strong gin and tonic.TheScreamingEagles said:
https://twitter.com/barristersecret/status/1022090774106853377?s=21AndyJS said:
What did this say? It's been deleted.williamglenn said:From a Conservative MEP.
https://twitter.com/dcbmep/status/1022031122165915648?s=210 -
Some proposed designs could get that deep. See the following (and elsewhere):Beverley_C said:
From what I have read, the brine content needed to keep it liquid would probably make it sterile.JosiasJessop said:
Also, they'd need to get down to it. There are drilling systems that might be able to do it (several by a brilliant US company called Honeybee, and ESA will have a drill on their ExoMars lander, albeit only down to a couple of metres).Beverley_C said:
Well, at least they know where to land orbiters with some Reverse Osmosis kit aboard. The only annoying thing is, that in terms of orbital mechanics, polar areas are not preferred because they lack angular momentum for the returning launch as well as the extra velocity that has to be bled off for landing.Sunil_Prasannan said:
Mars? Has it been trademarked like Toblerone?Pulpstar said:Lake found on Mars - https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-44952710
More interesting is the fact that such a lake would be an absolute hive for life. If confirmed, I'm preparing for this to have a negative effect on plans for manned Mars landings.
https://www.honeybeerobotics.com/technology/drilling/
A bit of digging shows it to be 1500 metres below the surface
https://www.lpi.usra.edu/meetings/lpsc2013/pdf/2817.pdf
https://www.popsci.com/drill-tunnel-mars-alien-life0 -
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On the other hand, Heathrow has come on leaps and bounds in the last 10 years. Gatwick is a bit better too.Sean_F said:
Stansted is a hellhole.OldKingCole said:
It’s the seats on Ryanair that I find unpleasant. Not the staff, most of whom were courteous and helpful.Sean_F said:
The Ryanair staff plainly hated the passengers that were flying with them.CarlottaVance said:
It took me longer to get from to London with Ryanair from Italy than it does from Singapore with SQ....Sean_F said:
Flying once with Ryanair was once too often for me.Casino_Royale said:
Flying is expensive. Most people are willing to begrudgingly accept a couple of hours of discomfort to get to where they need to go.not_on_fire said:
And the point of Ryanair is that for most people the decrease in fares outweighs the reduced qualityCasino_Royale said:
It’s certainly shaken up the industry but I wouldn’t call it outstanding.matt said:
It's an outstanding airline which has revolutionised passenger air travel in Europe. There are a (relatively) small number of whinging passengers who don't understand the product and seem to think that air travel makes one special.Casino_Royale said:
It’s an amazing airline. Both the staff and passengers seem to hate it but keep coming back to it too.MarqueeMark said:
Whenever the boss of Ryanair makes another pronouncement about Brexit, look behind the curtain to see what he is trying to distract you from seeing.....CarlottaVance said:Perhaps Mr Varadkar should be worrying about planes nearer to home....
https://twitter.com/FinancialTimes/status/1022079453244022784
I think the quality of experience of flying has deteriorated over the last 20 years and I avoid flying wherever possible, Ryanair being near the bottom of my list.
It doesn’t mean the airline is loved.
Easyjet is no frills, but (with one exception) I've found the staff pleasant and helpful.
And anyway, it’s not so much Ryanair I object to as Stansted.
Stansted is a dealbreaker for me. It takes ages to get to from central London and is a horrible airport to use.0 -
Ta. I feared as much.TheScreamingEagles said:
No and I usually love all things Benedict Cumberbatch.Mortimer said:
OTOH Patrick Melrose is fantastic.0 -
He has form for this kind of thing. Surely the party should take action against him?TheScreamingEagles said:
Well he posted it just after 9am today.AndyJS said:
I guess he posted that after a particularly strong gin and tonic.TheScreamingEagles said:
https://twitter.com/barristersecret/status/1022090774106853377?s=21AndyJS said:
What did this say? It's been deleted.williamglenn said:From a Conservative MEP.
https://twitter.com/dcbmep/status/1022031122165915648?s=21
https://twitter.com/faisalislam/status/9779355779192135680 -
Run for the benefit of the retailers and possibly the airlines. Not the passengers.Sean_F said:
Stansted is a hellhole.OldKingCole said:
It’s the seats on Ryanair that I find unpleasant. Not the staff, most of whom were courteous and helpful.Sean_F said:
The Ryanair staff plainly hated the passengers that were flying with them.CarlottaVance said:
It took me longer to get from to London with Ryanair from Italy than it does from Singapore with SQ....Sean_F said:
Flying once with Ryanair was once too often for me.Casino_Royale said:
Flying is expensive. Most people are willing to begrudgingly accept a couple of hours of discomfort to get to where they need to go.not_on_fire said:
And the point of Ryanair is that for most people the decrease in fares outweighs the reduced qualityCasino_Royale said:
It’s certainly shaken up the industry but I wouldn’t call it outstanding.matt said:
It's an outstanding airline which has revolutionised passenger air travel in Europe. There are a (relatively) small number of whinging passengers who don't understand the product and seem to think that air travel makes one special.Casino_Royale said:
It’s an amazing airline. Both the staff and passengers seem to hate it but keep coming back to it too.MarqueeMark said:
Whenever the boss of Ryanair makes another pronouncement about Brexit, look behind the curtain to see what he is trying to distract you from seeing.....CarlottaVance said:Perhaps Mr Varadkar should be worrying about planes nearer to home....
https://twitter.com/FinancialTimes/status/1022079453244022784
I think the quality of experience of flying has deteriorated over the last 20 years and I avoid flying wherever possible, Ryanair being near the bottom of my list.
It doesn’t mean the airline is loved.
Easyjet is no frills, but (with one exception) I've found the staff pleasant and helpful.
And anyway, it’s not so much Ryanair I object to as Stansted.0 -
To be fair, some of the passengers aren’t pleasant. The few Ryanair flights I’ve taken have been packed with obnoxious stag dos.Sean_F said:
The Ryanair staff plainly hated the passengers that were flying with them.CarlottaVance said:
It took me longer to get from to London with Ryanair from Italy than it does from Singapore with SQ....Sean_F said:
Flying once with Ryanair was once too often for me.Casino_Royale said:
Flying is expensive. Most people are willing to begrudgingly accept a couple of hours of discomfort to get to where they need to go.not_on_fire said:
And the point of Ryanair is that for most people the decrease in fares outweighs the reduced qualityCasino_Royale said:
It’s certainly shaken up the industry but I wouldn’t call it outstanding.matt said:
It's an outstanding airline which has revolutionised passenger air travel in Europe. There are a (relatively) small number of whinging passengers who don't understand the product and seem to think that air travel makes one special.Casino_Royale said:
It’s an amazing airline. Both the staff and passengers seem to hate it but keep coming back to it too.MarqueeMark said:
Whenever the boss of Ryanair makes another pronouncement about Brexit, look behind the curtain to see what he is trying to distract you from seeing.....CarlottaVance said:Perhaps Mr Varadkar should be worrying about planes nearer to home....
https://twitter.com/FinancialTimes/status/1022079453244022784
I think the quality of experience of flying has deteriorated over the last 20 years and I avoid flying wherever possible, Ryanair being near the bottom of my list.
It doesn’t mean the airline is loved.
Easyjet is no frills, but (with one exception) I've found the staff pleasant and helpful.0 -
Accrington Stanley UKIP? Who are they?david_herdson said:
Would UKIP accept him back? Surely even they have standards?Tissue_Price said:0 -
It's 5 o'clock somewhere.TheScreamingEagles said:
Well he posted it just after 9am today.AndyJS said:
I guess he posted that after a particularly strong gin and tonic.TheScreamingEagles said:
https://twitter.com/barristersecret/status/1022090774106853377?s=21AndyJS said:
What did this say? It's been deleted.williamglenn said:From a Conservative MEP.
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I shall put in a complaint to CCHQ.williamglenn said:
He has form for this kind of thing. Surely the party should take action against him?TheScreamingEagles said:
Well he posted it just after 9am today.AndyJS said:
I guess he posted that after a particularly strong gin and tonic.TheScreamingEagles said:
https://twitter.com/barristersecret/status/1022090774106853377?s=21AndyJS said:
What did this say? It's been deleted.williamglenn said:From a Conservative MEP.
https://twitter.com/dcbmep/status/1022031122165915648?s=21
https://twitter.com/faisalislam/status/977935577919213568
Hopefully snitches don’t get stitches.0 -
Maybe he could join Anne Marie Waters' new party?david_herdson said:
Would UKIP accept him back? Surely even they have standards?Tissue_Price said:0 -
That’s a little unfair on Hell.Sean_F said:
Stansted is a hellhole.OldKingCole said:
It’s the seats on Ryanair that I find unpleasant. Not the staff, most of whom were courteous and helpful.Sean_F said:
The Ryanair staff plainly hated the passengers that were flying with them.CarlottaVance said:
It took me longer to get from to London with Ryanair from Italy than it does from Singapore with SQ....Sean_F said:
Flying once with Ryanair was once too often for me.Casino_Royale said:
Flying is expensive. Most people are willing to begrudgingly accept a couple of hours of discomfort to get to where they need to go.not_on_fire said:
And the point of Ryanair is that for most people the decrease in fares outweighs the reduced qualityCasino_Royale said:
It’s certainly shaken up the industry but I wouldn’t call it outstanding.matt said:
It's an outstanding airline which has revolutionised passenger air travel in Europe. There are a (relatively) small number of whinging passengers who don't understand the product and seem to think that air travel makes one special.Casino_Royale said:
It’s an amazing airline. Both the staff and passengers seem to hate it but keep coming back to it too.MarqueeMark said:
Whenever the boss of Ryanair makes another pronouncement about Brexit, look behind the curtain to see what he is trying to distract you from seeing.....CarlottaVance said:Perhaps Mr Varadkar should be worrying about planes nearer to home....
https://twitter.com/FinancialTimes/status/1022079453244022784
I think the quality of experience of flying has deteriorated over the last 20 years and I avoid flying wherever possible, Ryanair being near the bottom of my list.
It doesn’t mean the airline is loved.
Easyjet is no frills, but (with one exception) I've found the staff pleasant and helpful.
And anyway, it’s not so much Ryanair I object to as Stansted.0 -
Accrington Stanley got promoted again this year. Much to David Lloyd’s public delight. (In cricket reference)Sunil_Prasannan said:
Accrington Stanley UKIP? Who are they?david_herdson said:
Would UKIP accept him back? Surely even they have standards?Tissue_Price said:
Not sure UKIP are going up anywhere, except possibly in smoke!0 -
Well with his views on repatriation of foreigners he’d fit right in.Sean_F said:
Maybe he could join Anne Marie Waters' new party?david_herdson said:
Would UKIP accept him back? Surely even they have standards?Tissue_Price said:
https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/amp.theguardian.com/uk-news/2014/nov/19/mark-reckless-immigration-row-rochester-byelection0 -
Finally, my plan to have all remainers locked up for treason is gaining traction! 0
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Andy_Cooke said:
The 4% figure (if from the IMF) is that the economy will be 4% smaller than if we had stayed in the EU after 12 years. This means we would lose basically 0.3% of growth from trend annually to end up after 12 years at the 4% figure.TOPPING said:
With you mentioning that, I wondered at the scale of the impact of 4% of GDP on tax take/spending as against the claimed Brexit Dividend (looking at either £350m/wk as claimed, £240m/wk with rebate and ignoring any EU spending in the UK).Sean_F said:
I think that is perfectly fair. You voted to make the country poorer and deemed that foregone 4% was a price worth paying. If only all Leavers were so honest.DavidL said:
I for one have never assumed that the EU would be caving into every demand we made. If they did, we wouldn't be leaving.grabcocque said:
And remainers had nothing to offer because being in the EU is sub optimal and destined to get worse, especially for countries not in the Euro. We decided. We do not want to be a small part of a European superstate. For 90% + the rest is details.DavidL said:
Brexiteer delusions came so fast and loose in those days before Reality happened.
I looked at the worst case scenario, (output being 4% lower by 2030 than would otherwise be the case) and concluded that was an acceptable level of risk.
Slightly puts to bed the whole "Brexit Dividend" thing but at least there is no arguing with your position.
As I have long said, the likely outcome is a diminution of wealth that people, especially people who have a great amount of it, are unlikely to notice and hence are happy to forego.
Our economy is pretty much £2 trillion per annum. Tax take is 33.2% of that, so £664bn per year, or £12.8bn per week. Four percent of that is £510 million per week.
So, if the impact is 4% of GDP, there is a Brexit Dividend. Sadly, it's negative.
Amount sent to Brussels = £240 m/wk, minus £510 m/wk = -£270 million/wk.
If the impact is greater than 1.88% of GDP, the Brexit Dividend is negative. If it's less than that, it's positive. Amusingly, if the impact is as large as 4.6% of GDP, it would mean Brexit has cost us £350m/wk.
So using your figures of a £2tril economy losing 0.3% means losing £6 billion so at a tax take of 33.2% is £1.992bill in lost taxes or 38.3 million per week.
Brexit bonus of 240 - 38.3 = £201.7 more per week.0 -
Peterborough MP has had a day in court.
https://www.peterboroughtoday.co.uk/news/crime/peterborough-labour-mp-fiona-onasanya-charged-with-perverting-the-course-of-justice-1-85797070 -
Froome's cracked. G looking superstrong0
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That sounds extremely serious. Does anyone know what it's about?dr_spyn said:Peterborough MP has had a day in court.
https://www.peterboroughtoday.co.uk/news/crime/peterborough-labour-mp-fiona-onasanya-charged-with-perverting-the-course-of-justice-1-85797070 -
Flew to Treviso a couple of years ago. There were some very burly young men, in tracksuits in the queue, all looked quite tough, yet familiar. Once on board there was a loud cheer and chant, wondered if things were about to kick off, but nothing more was heard from them. Guess that Ryanair would make it hard for Treviso RFC players to get to matches by other means in Wales, or West of England if they misbehaved.Casino_Royale said:
To be fair, some of the passengers aren’t pleasant. The few Ryanair flights I’ve taken have been packed with obnoxious stag dos.Sean_F said:
The Ryanair staff plainly hated the passengers that were flying with them.CarlottaVance said:
It took me longer to get from to London with Ryanair from Italy than it does from Singapore with SQ....Sean_F said:
Flying once with Ryanair was once too often for me.Casino_Royale said:
Flying is expensive. Most people are willing to begrudgingly accept a couple of hours of discomfort to get to where they need to go.not_on_fire said:
And the point of Ryanair is that for most people the decrease in fares outweighs the reduced qualityCasino_Royale said:
It’s certainly shaken up the industry but I wouldn’t call it outstanding.matt said:
It's an outstanding airline which has revolutionised passenger air travel in Europe. There are a (relatively) small number of whinging passengers who don't understand the product and seem to think that air travel makes one special.Casino_Royale said:
It’s an amazing airline. Both the staff and passengers seem to hate it but keep coming back to it too.MarqueeMark said:
Whenever the boss of Ryanair makes another pronouncement about Brexit, look behind the curtain to see what he is trying to distract you from seeing.....CarlottaVance said:Perhaps Mr Varadkar should be worrying about planes nearer to home....
https://twitter.com/FinancialTimes/status/1022079453244022784
I think the quality of experience of flying has deteriorated over the last 20 years and I avoid flying wherever possible, Ryanair being near the bottom of my list.
It doesn’t mean the airline is loved.
Easyjet is no frills, but (with one exception) I've found the staff pleasant and helpful.0 -
Was in court on July 12, according to Peterborough's local rag.0
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It looks as though she's been very busy on Twitter today, and no obvious mention of this ...dr_spyn said:Peterborough MP has had a day in court.
https://www.peterboroughtoday.co.uk/news/crime/peterborough-labour-mp-fiona-onasanya-charged-with-perverting-the-course-of-justice-1-85797070 -
Chris Huhne knows the consequences of guilt.Sean_F said:
That sounds extremely serious. Does anyone know what it's about?dr_spyn said:Peterborough MP has had a day in court.
https://www.peterboroughtoday.co.uk/news/crime/peterborough-labour-mp-fiona-onasanya-charged-with-perverting-the-course-of-justice-1-85797070 -
Reporting restrictions? Or simply no reporters? It was in Westminster Magistrates' Court, which is curious, but the alleged offence was in Cambridgeshire.dr_spyn said:Was in court on July 12, according to Peterborough's local rag.
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What has Peterborough done to deserve MPs like Helen Clark, Stewart Jackson and now Fiona Onasanya?0
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Don’t worry Fiona [Surname is a nightmare with auto-correct] is a solicitor0 -
ralphmalph said:
Don't forget people / businesses have to pay duties on imports from the EU which they did not have to before. Plus some loss of exports because duties will have to be paid by EU importers.Andy_Cooke said:
The 4% figure (if from the IMF) is that the economy will be 4% smaller than if we had stayed in the EU after 12 years. This means we would lose basically 0.3% of growth from trend annually to end up after 12 years at the 4% figure.TOPPING said:
With you mentioning that, I wondered at the scale of the impact of 4% of GDP on tax take/spending as against the claimed Brexit Dividend (looking at either £350m/wk as claimed, £240m/wk with rebate and ignoring any EU spending in the UK).Sean_F said:
I think that is perfectly fair. You voted to make the country poorer and deemed that foregone 4% was a price worth paying. If only all Leavers were so honest.DavidL said:
I for one have never assumed that the EU would be caving into every demand we made. If they did, we wouldn't be leaving.grabcocque said:
And remainers had nothing to offer because being in the EU is sub optimal and destined to get worse, especially for countries not in the Euro. We decided. We do not want to be a small part of a European superstate. For 90% + the rest is details.DavidL said:
Brexiteer delusions came so fast and loose in those days before Reality happened.
I looked at the worst case scenario, (output being 4% lower by 2030 than would otherwise be the case) and concluded that was an acceptable level of risk.
Slightly puts to bed the whole "Brexit Dividend" thing but at least there is no arguing with your position.
As I have long said, the likely outcome is a diminution of wealth that people, especially people who have a great amount of it, are unlikely to notice and hence are happy to forego.
Our economy is pretty much £2 trillion per annum. Tax take is 33.2% of that, so £664bn per year, or £12.8bn per week. Four percent of that is £510 million per week.
So, if the impact is 4% of GDP, there is a Brexit Dividend. Sadly, it's negative.
Amount sent to Brussels = £240 m/wk, minus £510 m/wk = -£270 million/wk.
If the impact is greater than 1.88% of GDP, the Brexit Dividend is negative. If it's less than that, it's positive. Amusingly, if the impact is as large as 4.6% of GDP, it would mean Brexit has cost us £350m/wk.
So using your figures of a £2tril economy losing 0.3% means losing £6 billion so at a tax take of 33.2% is £1.992bill in lost taxes or 38.3 million per week.
Brexit bonus of 240 - 38.3 = £201.7 more per week.0 -
Same thing.TGOHF said:
"Would not be accepted by the luddite EU" more accurately.Beverley_C said:
Because it would not work (Norn Iron borders)0 -
I can remember many enjoyable discussions here about the Peterborough Gorgon.williamglenn said:What has Peterborough done to deserve MPs like Helen Clark, Stewart Jackson and now Fiona Onasanya?
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Another case like Huhne's, I wonder?TheScreamingEagles said:0 -
It was much better back in the days when they dealt with just one airplane at a time.Sean_F said:
Stansted is a hellhole.OldKingCole said:
It’s the seats on Ryanair that I find unpleasant. Not the staff, most of whom were courteous and helpful.Sean_F said:
The Ryanair staff plainly hated the passengers that were flying with them.CarlottaVance said:
It took me longer to get from to London with Ryanair from Italy than it does from Singapore with SQ....Sean_F said:
Flying once with Ryanair was once too often for me.Casino_Royale said:
Flying is expensive. Most people are willing to begrudgingly accept a couple of hours of discomfort to get to where they need to go.not_on_fire said:
And the point of Ryanair is that for most people the decrease in fares outweighs the reduced qualityCasino_Royale said:
It’s certainly shaken up the industry but I wouldn’t call it outstanding.matt said:
It's an outstanding airline which has revolutionised passenger air travel in Europe. There are a (relatively) small number of whinging passengers who don't understand the product and seem to think that air travel makes one special.Casino_Royale said:
It’s an amazing airline. Both the staff and passengers seem to hate it but keep coming back to it too.MarqueeMark said:
Whenever the boss of Ryanair makes another pronouncement about Brexit, look behind the curtain to see what he is trying to distract you from seeing.....CarlottaVance said:Perhaps Mr Varadkar should be worrying about planes nearer to home....
https://twitter.com/FinancialTimes/status/1022079453244022784
I think the quality of experience of flying has deteriorated over the last 20 years and I avoid flying wherever possible, Ryanair being near the bottom of my list.
It doesn’t mean the airline is loved.
Easyjet is no frills, but (with one exception) I've found the staff pleasant and helpful.
And anyway, it’s not so much Ryanair I object to as Stansted.0 -
Will the Peterborough and Thanet by-elections be held on the same day ?0
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Airports are always lovely on the first day they open.IanB2 said:
It was much better back in the days when they dealt with just one airplane at a time.Sean_F said:
Stansted is a hellhole.OldKingCole said:
It’s the seats on Ryanair that I find unpleasant. Not the staff, most of whom were courteous and helpful.Sean_F said:
The Ryanair staff plainly hated the passengers that were flying with them.CarlottaVance said:
It took me longer to get from to London with Ryanair from Italy than it does from Singapore with SQ....Sean_F said:
Flying once with Ryanair was once too often for me.Casino_Royale said:
Flying is expensive. Most people are willing to begrudgingly accept a couple of hours of discomfort to get to where they need to go.not_on_fire said:
And the point of Ryanair is that for most people the decrease in fares outweighs the reduced qualityCasino_Royale said:
It’s certainly shaken up the industry but I wouldn’t call it outstanding.matt said:
It's an outstanding airline which has revolutionised passenger air travel in Europe. There are a (relatively) small number of whinging passengers who don't understand the product and seem to think that air travel makes one special.Casino_Royale said:
It’s an amazing airline. Both the staff and passengers seem to hate it but keep coming back to it too.MarqueeMark said:
Whenever the boss of Ryanair makes another pronouncement about Brexit, look behind the curtain to see what he is trying to distract you from seeing.....CarlottaVance said:Perhaps Mr Varadkar should be worrying about planes nearer to home....
https://twitter.com/FinancialTimes/status/1022079453244022784
I think the quality of experience of flying has deteriorated over the last 20 years and I avoid flying wherever possible, Ryanair being near the bottom of my list.
It doesn’t mean the airline is loved.
Easyjet is no frills, but (with one exception) I've found the staff pleasant and helpful.
And anyway, it’s not so much Ryanair I object to as Stansted.0 -
He seems to be a decent politician, unlike some colleagues. Which is not the same thing as being reasonable of course, but as you note it is closer to sounding reasonable.grabcocque said:
Smart move, wasn't it? Keir Starmer was well aware of the fact Labour would need intellectual cover for voting against the government's deal, so he drew up the tests in such a way as to sound reasonable whilst actually being impossible.ydoethur said:
We'll be calling him Gordon Starmer before long (especially since 2 is literally undeliverable).grabcocque said:Keir Starmer has set a number of "tests" for Labour to support any deal.
1. Does it ensure a strong and collaborative future relationship with the EU?
2. Does it deliver the “exact same benefits” as we currently have as members of the Single Market and Customs Union?
3. Does it ensure the fair management of migration in the interests of the economy and communities?
4. Does it defend rights and protections and prevent a race to the bottom?
5. Does it protect national security and our capacity to tackle cross-border crime?
6. Does it deliver for all regions and nations of the UK?
As currently proposed, Chequers meets (arguably) 0/6 of those tests.
In truth they wouldn't support anything. They need to be able to claim they could have done better, even as Corbyn's 'masterly inactivity' strategy makes that a lie .0
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