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This week’s PB / Polling Matters podcast is split into two parts.
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First.0
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Second!0
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Turd.0
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Establishing the PB no-fly zone.0
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Varadkar is embarrasing himself now: what a ridiculous comment to make.0
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Following on FPT
Wikipedia suggests;
"The Irish Air Corps lacks a dedicated air intercept capability, and previous air incursions have seen the Royal Air Force respond to and escort unwelcome aircraft out of Irish controlled airspace."
I suspect these ideas won't make it to the Taoiseach's top ideas list.0 -
Not sure Varadkar realises how fraught Ireland's position could be. Anyway, on British cakeism he'd be best advised to salvage what crumbs he can when we eat it.0
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FPT
At the cost of £39bn...MaxPB said:
They are asking for favours that can't be delivered. I don't see any scenario where flights from the UK to the EU would ever be cut off, especially not on an indefinite basis. I could see a week or two of disruption and then an emergency ratification of a treaty which gives the CAA recognition under the single European sky.Omnium said:
Something like that.Sandpit said:
And Irish commercial flights obviously only ever go west from Dublin or Shannon.Omnium said:
Irish Air Force doesn't own any fighters anyway it seems.rural_voter said:
A national nervous breakdown should at least provide some value bets between now and March 2019 ...AlastairMeeks said:Meanwhile, posted without comment:
https://twitter.com/gavreilly/status/1019636060001918980?s=21
And no Irishmen operate airlines with bases in the UK either.
If they don’t have any fighters does that mean that we do their QRA when the Russkies get too close? For the next nine months anyway.
I really think that the Irish government is doing their nation a massive disservice in the Brexit negotiations. They should be seeking to get the benefits which the UK gets and keep the benefits of the EU, but instead they're trying to isolate themselves from a wounded UK, and use up all their favours in the EU. Baffling.0 -
FPT
Today we have seen Cliff Richard receive justice and the BBC publically shamed, the young Thai footballers enthralling everyone in their first public appearance, a confident TM demonstrating Corbyn hasn't a clue, the 1922 committee endorsing her and a Brexiteer withdrawing his letter, a mediocre Boris moment, but best of all a collective breakdown by Sky presenters, including Adam Boulton, who eagerly looked forward to May's terrible day that did not happen0 -
Sorry to go off-topic so quickly, but today's court judgement brought back my thoughts when I watched the BBC reporting on a police operation. Who told the BBC, I wondered, how come they had a helicopter on standby?.
I assumed money had changed hands. When I watch real-life police programmes, they blur out the faces even when we can see clear evidence of wrong-doing taking place. To see a well-known person's house was a bit of a shock. I assumed the evidence was damning.
The BBC will cough up, the tax-payer will foot the bill, and the guilty parties, those who authorised this imbecilic waste of money, will take a fat bonus. Why aren't they being named?0 -
Are you suggesting that airlines would routinely violate a sovereign nation’s airspace?Omnium said:Following on FPT
Wikipedia suggests;
"The Irish Air Corps lacks a dedicated air intercept capability, and previous air incursions have seen the Royal Air Force respond to and escort unwelcome aircraft out of Irish controlled airspace."
I suspect these ideas won't make it to the Taoiseach's top ideas list.0 -
I doubt it. In a no deal scenario the UK withdraws from everything, as Carney pointed out it hurts them a lot more than it hurts us.williamglenn said:FPT
At the cost of £39bn...MaxPB said:
They are asking for favours that can't be delivered. I don't see any scenario where flights from the UK to the EU would ever be cut off, especially not on an indefinite basis. I could see a week or two of disruption and then an emergency ratification of a treaty which gives the CAA recognition under the single European sky.Omnium said:
Something like that.Sandpit said:
And Irish commercial flights obviously only ever go west from Dublin or Shannon.Omnium said:
Irish Air Force doesn't own any fighters anyway it seems.rural_voter said:
A national nervous breakdown should at least provide some value bets between now and March 2019 ...AlastairMeeks said:Meanwhile, posted without comment:
https://twitter.com/gavreilly/status/1019636060001918980?s=21
And no Irishmen operate airlines with bases in the UK either.
If they don’t have any fighters does that mean that we do their QRA when the Russkies get too close? For the next nine months anyway.
I really think that the Irish government is doing their nation a massive disservice in the Brexit negotiations. They should be seeking to get the benefits which the UK gets and keep the benefits of the EU, but instead they're trying to isolate themselves from a wounded UK, and use up all their favours in the EU. Baffling.0 -
Mr Sandpit,
"Turd."
I think that's a bit harsh on Mr Varadkar. Ill-advised and silly, perhaps.0 -
No of course not. If the Irish government didn't wish UK flagged aircraft to overfly their airspace then I'm sure we'd make sure that all such airlines complied. I'd be aghast if in such circumstances we even reciprocated.AlastairMeeks said:
Are you suggesting that airlines would routinely violate a sovereign nation’s airspace?Omnium said:Following on FPT
Wikipedia suggests;
"The Irish Air Corps lacks a dedicated air intercept capability, and previous air incursions have seen the Royal Air Force respond to and escort unwelcome aircraft out of Irish controlled airspace."
I suspect these ideas won't make it to the Taoiseach's top ideas list.
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Named and sacked with loss of pensionCD13 said:Sorry to go off-topic so quickly, but today's court judgement brought back my thoughts when I watched the BBC reporting on a police operation. Who told the BBC, I wondered, how come they had a helicopter on standby?.
I assumed money had changed hands. When I watch real-life police programmes, they blur out the faces even when we can see clear evidence of wrong-doing taking place. To see a well-known person's house was a bit of a shock. I assumed the evidence was damning.
The BBC will cough up, the tax-payer will foot the bill, and the guilty parties, those who authorised this imbecilic waste of money, will take a fat bonus. Why aren't they being named?0 -
I think a lot of the support for No Deal is based on the idea that we won't have to pay the divorce bill if we walk away. These warnings should put paid to the fantasy that we would be negotiating from strength in a No Deal scenario.0
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Time he grew up. He as bad as the restAlastairMeeks said:
Are you suggesting that airlines would routinely violate a sovereign nation’s airspace?Omnium said:Following on FPT
Wikipedia suggests;
"The Irish Air Corps lacks a dedicated air intercept capability, and previous air incursions have seen the Royal Air Force respond to and escort unwelcome aircraft out of Irish controlled airspace."
I suspect these ideas won't make it to the Taoiseach's top ideas list.0 -
Just checking. Some of the more excitable Leavers seem ready to invade to defend Brexit.Omnium said:
No of course not. If the Irish government didn't wish UK flagged aircraft to overfly their airspace then I'm sure we'd make sure that all such airlines complied. I'd be aghast if in such circumstances we even reciprocated.AlastairMeeks said:
Are you suggesting that airlines would routinely violate a sovereign nation’s airspace?Omnium said:Following on FPT
Wikipedia suggests;
"The Irish Air Corps lacks a dedicated air intercept capability, and previous air incursions have seen the Royal Air Force respond to and escort unwelcome aircraft out of Irish controlled airspace."
I suspect these ideas won't make it to the Taoiseach's top ideas list.0 -
What warnings? Varadkar’s apparently crazed ramblings about banning flights from U.K. airspace?williamglenn said:I think a lot of the support for No Deal is based on the idea that we won't have to pay the divorce bill if we walk away. These warnings should put paid to the fantasy that we would be negotiating from strength in a No Deal scenario.
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Without a method of enforcing it, I’d suggest they aren’t sovereign.AlastairMeeks said:
Are you suggesting that airlines would routinely violate a sovereign nation’s airspace?Omnium said:Following on FPT
Wikipedia suggests;
"The Irish Air Corps lacks a dedicated air intercept capability, and previous air incursions have seen the Royal Air Force respond to and escort unwelcome aircraft out of Irish controlled airspace."
I suspect these ideas won't make it to the Taoiseach's top ideas list.0 -
Well since you think the EU can be compared to Nazi Germany, your judgement isn’t worth paying too much attention to.Mortimer said:
Without a method of enforcing it, I’d suggest they aren’t sovereign.AlastairMeeks said:
Are you suggesting that airlines would routinely violate a sovereign nation’s airspace?Omnium said:Following on FPT
Wikipedia suggests;
"The Irish Air Corps lacks a dedicated air intercept capability, and previous air incursions have seen the Royal Air Force respond to and escort unwelcome aircraft out of Irish controlled airspace."
I suspect these ideas won't make it to the Taoiseach's top ideas list.0 -
What is he going to do. Shoot them down. He has caught the Brexit illness, drives some madwelshowl said:
What warnings? Varadkar’s apparently crazed ramblings about banning flights from U.K. airspace?williamglenn said:I think a lot of the support for No Deal is based on the idea that we won't have to pay the divorce bill if we walk away. These warnings should put paid to the fantasy that we would be negotiating from strength in a No Deal scenario.
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My personal suspicion is that when opinion polls show Leavers preferring No Deal to Deal, what most of them really mean is "no sellout". But a dangerous business indeed to try inferring what people "really want" so this is really nothing more than a suspicion.williamglenn said:I think a lot of the support for No Deal is based on the idea that we won't have to pay the divorce bill if we walk away. These warnings should put paid to the fantasy that we would be negotiating from strength in a No Deal scenario.
I imagine if those voters were fully aware of the possible implications of No Deal ("Why can't we just trade with Europe like we trade with other countries?") they wouldn't be so up for it in practice - but then again, there is a big difference between "Orderly No Deal" and "Chaotic No Deal" and while I wouldn't want to put too much faith in this administration's contingency planning to ensure the former, it may be that others have more trust for the civil service and government than I do.0 -
If delusional rantings can be used as a way to gauge how the negotiations are going, then perhaps we are doing OK.
The next soft signal to look for is either Junks or Tusk flying to Ireland, putting an arm round Varadkers shoulder and saying "do not worry we have got your back." Then looking away and sniggering.0 -
Mr G,
Be careful, those laser pens can do a bit of damage.
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Has he said anything beyond the notice to stakeholders that went out in January?welshowl said:
What warnings? Varadkar’s apparently crazed ramblings about banning flights from U.K. airspace?williamglenn said:I think a lot of the support for No Deal is based on the idea that we won't have to pay the divorce bill if we walk away. These warnings should put paid to the fantasy that we would be negotiating from strength in a No Deal scenario.
https://ec.europa.eu/transport/sites/transport/files/legislation/brexit-notice-to-stakeholders-air-transport.pdf
Air carriers of the United Kingdom will no longer enjoy traffic rights under any air transport agreement to which the Union is a party, be it to or from the territory of the United Kingdom, be it to or from the territory of any of the EU Member States0 -
I’d love to know what a certain gobby Irish airline boss (who has over a hundred Irish-registered planes based out of 14 UK airports) is going to say to Varakdar.0
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So we do QRA for Ireland when the Russkis get too close. For the next nine months anyway.Omnium said:Following on FPT
Wikipedia suggests;
"The Irish Air Corps lacks a dedicated air intercept capability, and previous air incursions have seen the Royal Air Force respond to and escort unwelcome aircraft out of Irish controlled airspace."
I suspect these ideas won't make it to the Taoiseach's top ideas list.0 -
Mr Sandpit,
Ryanair would be no loss anyway. I'm warming to the loon already.0 -
Yes. I’ll believe it when people actually get fired. Not promoted sideways, made redundant with a years notice or quietly retired early on full final salary pension. Actually fired.Big_G_NorthWales said:
Named and sacked with loss of pensionCD13 said:Sorry to go off-topic so quickly, but today's court judgement brought back my thoughts when I watched the BBC reporting on a police operation. Who told the BBC, I wondered, how come they had a helicopter on standby?.
I assumed money had changed hands. When I watch real-life police programmes, they blur out the faces even when we can see clear evidence of wrong-doing taking place. To see a well-known person's house was a bit of a shock. I assumed the evidence was damning.
The BBC will cough up, the tax-payer will foot the bill, and the guilty parties, those who authorised this imbecilic waste of money, will take a fat bonus. Why aren't they being named?0 -
How tiresome.AlastairMeeks said:
Well since you think the EU can be compared to Nazi Germany, your judgement isn’t worth paying too much attention to.Mortimer said:
Without a method of enforcing it, I’d suggest they aren’t sovereign.AlastairMeeks said:
Are you suggesting that airlines would routinely violate a sovereign nation’s airspace?Omnium said:Following on FPT
Wikipedia suggests;
"The Irish Air Corps lacks a dedicated air intercept capability, and previous air incursions have seen the Royal Air Force respond to and escort unwelcome aircraft out of Irish controlled airspace."
I suspect these ideas won't make it to the Taoiseach's top ideas list.
No such comparison was made by me.
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So BA can look forward to Leavers arming their planes. I’m not sure what bombs in the hold will do for luggage allowances, mind.0
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Yes, and excitable can be on both sides - I woke up to hear Ms Soubry on the radio this morning suggesting a government of national unity, and in the next breath ruling out the Labour front bench.AlastairMeeks said:
Just checking. Some of the more excitable Leavers seem ready to invade to defend Brexit.Omnium said:
No of course not. If the Irish government didn't wish UK flagged aircraft to overfly their airspace then I'm sure we'd make sure that all such airlines complied. I'd be aghast if in such circumstances we even reciprocated.AlastairMeeks said:
Are you suggesting that airlines would routinely violate a sovereign nation’s airspace?Omnium said:Following on FPT
Wikipedia suggests;
"The Irish Air Corps lacks a dedicated air intercept capability, and previous air incursions have seen the Royal Air Force respond to and escort unwelcome aircraft out of Irish controlled airspace."
I suspect these ideas won't make it to the Taoiseach's top ideas list.
A small step back, and observing the odder moments in all this is quite amusing. The odd flight of fancy too. In fact I hadn't previously known how little Ireland spend on defence until I checked wikipedia about the Irish air force - so these things can be educational too.
I've long thought (always really) that for Brexit we'll finish up with a mess delivered by the politicians, but time and experience will deliver something clearer and better over time.
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It was. At least you have the decency to be embarrassed enough to lie about it now.Mortimer said:
How tiresome.AlastairMeeks said:
Well since you think the EU can be compared to Nazi Germany, your judgement isn’t worth paying too much attention to.Mortimer said:
Without a method of enforcing it, I’d suggest they aren’t sovereign.AlastairMeeks said:
Are you suggesting that airlines would routinely violate a sovereign nation’s airspace?Omnium said:Following on FPT
Wikipedia suggests;
"The Irish Air Corps lacks a dedicated air intercept capability, and previous air incursions have seen the Royal Air Force respond to and escort unwelcome aircraft out of Irish controlled airspace."
I suspect these ideas won't make it to the Taoiseach's top ideas list.
No such comparison was made by me.0 -
Last time I spoke to my brother-in-law, an avid Fine Gael supporter, I asked him about his new leader. "You'll not be taking him too seriously," he said. "He likes a bit of publicity."0
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Nope, it wasn’tAlastairMeeks said:
It was. At least you have the decency to be embarrassed enough to lie about it now.Mortimer said:
How tiresome.AlastairMeeks said:
Well since you think the EU can be compared to Nazi Germany, your judgement isn’t worth paying too much attention to.Mortimer said:
Without a method of enforcing it, I’d suggest they aren’t sovereign.AlastairMeeks said:
Are you suggesting that airlines would routinely violate a sovereign nation’s airspace?Omnium said:Following on FPT
Wikipedia suggests;
"The Irish Air Corps lacks a dedicated air intercept capability, and previous air incursions have seen the Royal Air Force respond to and escort unwelcome aircraft out of Irish controlled airspace."
I suspect these ideas won't make it to the Taoiseach's top ideas list.
No such comparison was made by me.
Only in the imagination of Uber-Remainers would a celebration of British patriotism that didn’t mention Nazi Germany or the EU be a comment on either.0 -
You drew a link between Dunkirk and Brexit. There was only one parallel you were drawing. Only nutjob Leavers would see any resemblance between the perceived opponents.Mortimer said:
Nope, it wasn’tAlastairMeeks said:
It was. At least you have the decency to be embarrassed enough to lie about it now.Mortimer said:
How tiresome.AlastairMeeks said:
Well since you think the EU can be compared to Nazi Germany, your judgement isn’t worth paying too much attention to.Mortimer said:
Without a method of enforcing it, I’d suggest they aren’t sovereign.AlastairMeeks said:
Are you suggesting that airlines would routinely violate a sovereign nation’s airspace?Omnium said:Following on FPT
Wikipedia suggests;
"The Irish Air Corps lacks a dedicated air intercept capability, and previous air incursions have seen the Royal Air Force respond to and escort unwelcome aircraft out of Irish controlled airspace."
I suspect these ideas won't make it to the Taoiseach's top ideas list.
No such comparison was made by me.
Only in the imagination of Uber-Remainers would a celebration of British patriotism that didn’t mention Nazi Germany or the EU be a comment on either.0 -
https://twitter.com/gavreilly/status/1019636060001918980RobD said:
What did he say?Mortimer said:Varadkar is embarrasing himself now: what a ridiculous comment to make.
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Not a huge deal to fly around Ireland, I suppose.Mortimer said:
https://twitter.com/gavreilly/status/1019636060001918980RobD said:
What did he say?Mortimer said:Varadkar is embarrasing himself now: what a ridiculous comment to make.
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So American Airlines want to fly to London, and BA vice versa. And Varadkar and his mates are going to phone the Donald ( who’s such an EU fan) and tell him and the U.K. they jolly well can’t, and we and the Americans are going to listen? The Irish going to shoot them down with a couple of Air Sea Rescue helicopters are they? Or is it a trade blockade now too? And that’s helps Ireland how?williamglenn said:
Has he said anything beyond the notice to stakeholders that went out in January?welshowl said:
What warnings? Varadkar’s apparently crazed ramblings about banning flights from U.K. airspace?williamglenn said:I think a lot of the support for No Deal is based on the idea that we won't have to pay the divorce bill if we walk away. These warnings should put paid to the fantasy that we would be negotiating from strength in a No Deal scenario.
https://ec.europa.eu/transport/sites/transport/files/legislation/brexit-notice-to-stakeholders-air-transport.pdf
Air carriers of the United Kingdom will no longer enjoy traffic rights under any air transport agreement to which the Union is a party, be it to or from the territory of the United Kingdom, be it to or from the territory of any of the EU Member States
How does this help your cause? Are you trying to frighten us into loving the EU? Because it’s not going to work.
It’s this kind of utter crap that undermines some of the better points Remainers make.0 -
I presume all Ryanair flights from the UK will be routed to Belfast or Derry with an onward coach to Dublin or Knock where you connect to your flight to the EU. You probably won't take off much further away then than the airport where you land when you arrive in Europe is from the supposed city it is named after.Sandpit said:
Oh I agree they wouldn’t be much loss, but I’m looking forward to the fireworks display from O’Leary.CD13 said:Mr Sandpit,
Ryanair would be no loss anyway. I'm warming to the loon already.
More generally it is a good idea to fly to the US from Ireland as you preclear US customs and immigration in Dublin and Shannon which smooths your arrival greatly stateside especially if you have a connecting flight.0 -
justin124 said:
I have no time for Anti-Semitism at all and seriously doubt that the issue would have arisen in our own politics were we still looking at the Israel of David BenGurion - Golda Meier - Levi Eschcoll or indeed Simon Peres. The shift to the extreme Right as evidenced by the oppressive policies of Netanyahu's Likud and its adoption of quasi-Apartheid policies has inevitably stirred humanitarian concerns for the plight of the Palestinian minority and created a breeding ground for Hamas and other groups.To be strongly opposed to the present Israeli Government should not be construed as Anti-Semitism - yet many appear to fail to see the difference.
Justin's argument is pretty nonsensical and divorced from fact. Netanyahu's policies are dreadful and have added fuel to the fire, but he didn't create a 'breeding ground' for Hamas. They were elected in 2006 shortly after Sharon's national government withdrew from Gaza and kicked out a bunch of settlers. Israel then refused to negotiate with Hamas who were and are still a group that failed to renounce their call for Israel to be wiped out or violent attacks, and we've then seen ever more intransigent right-wing governments since, as more Israelis have come to see a negotiated peace as implausible and focused on security. That's largely why you've got all these oppressively stringent security measures and blockades - because it's the only way the Israeli government thinks it can stop Hamas carrying out attacks at will, given their history and expertise in suicide attacks.
So, if anything, it's been the other way round - Israeli politics has shifted right in response to greater militancy from the Palestinians (or more to the point, from the state that funds and directs Hamas and doesn't want peace).0 -
Indeed not.RobD said:
Not a huge deal to fly around Ireland, I suppose.Mortimer said:
https://twitter.com/gavreilly/status/1019636060001918980RobD said:
What did he say?Mortimer said:Varadkar is embarrasing himself now: what a ridiculous comment to make.
Quite a massive deal to drive trucks to the EU from Ireland, without going through the UK, though...
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Mr Omnium,
"I woke up to hear Ms Soubry on the radio."
What's the old phrase ... "You can almost hear the flapping of white coats"? I suppose the current phrase is 'mental health issues."
Or is it being the MP for Broxstowe? Yet Dr P seems safe enough to be allowed to walk around in public.
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How is it utter crap to point out that the immediate consequence of dropping out of a legal framework with nothing to replace it is that you also lose the benefits? It seems pretty self-evident and not at all an emotive point to me.welshowl said:
So American Airlines want to fly to London, and BA vice versa. And Varadkar and his mates are going to phone the Donald ( who’s such an EU fan) and tell him and the U.K. they jolly well can’t, and we and the Americans are going to listen? The Irish going to shoot them down with a couple of Air Sea Rescue helicopters are they? Or is it a trade blockade now too? And that’s helps Ireland how?williamglenn said:
Has he said anything beyond the notice to stakeholders that went out in January?welshowl said:
What warnings? Varadkar’s apparently crazed ramblings about banning flights from U.K. airspace?williamglenn said:I think a lot of the support for No Deal is based on the idea that we won't have to pay the divorce bill if we walk away. These warnings should put paid to the fantasy that we would be negotiating from strength in a No Deal scenario.
https://ec.europa.eu/transport/sites/transport/files/legislation/brexit-notice-to-stakeholders-air-transport.pdf
Air carriers of the United Kingdom will no longer enjoy traffic rights under any air transport agreement to which the Union is a party, be it to or from the territory of the United Kingdom, be it to or from the territory of any of the EU Member States
How does this help your cause? Are you trying to frighten us into loving the EU? Because it’s not going to work.
It’s this kind of utter crap that undermines some of the better points Remainers make.0 -
Because something will replace it pdq or the EU are proposing to Cuba blockade us. It’s crap. We both know it.williamglenn said:
How is it utter crap to point out that the immediate consequence of dropping out of a legal framework with nothing to replace it is that you also lose the benefits? It seems pretty self-evident and not at all an emotive point to me.welshowl said:
So American Airlines want to fly to London, and BA vice versa. And Varadkar and his mates are going to phone the Donald ( who’s such an EU fan) and tell him and the U.K. they jolly well can’t, and we and the Americans are going to listen? The Irish going to shoot them down with a couple of Air Sea Rescue helicopters are they? Or is it a trade blockade now too? And that’s helps Ireland how?williamglenn said:
Has he said anything beyond the notice to stakeholders that went out in January?welshowl said:
What warnings? Varadkar’s apparently crazed ramblings about banning flights from U.K. airspace?williamglenn said:I think a lot of the support for No Deal is based on the idea that we won't have to pay the divorce bill if we walk away. These warnings should put paid to the fantasy that we would be negotiating from strength in a No Deal scenario.
https://ec.europa.eu/transport/sites/transport/files/legislation/brexit-notice-to-stakeholders-air-transport.pdf
Air carriers of the United Kingdom will no longer enjoy traffic rights under any air transport agreement to which the Union is a party, be it to or from the territory of the United Kingdom, be it to or from the territory of any of the EU Member States
How does this help your cause? Are you trying to frighten us into loving the EU? Because it’s not going to work.
It’s this kind of utter crap that undermines some of the better points Remainers make.
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Shush, the Leavers are fantasising about putting on goggles and getting into Spitfires. Don’t spoil their fantasy.williamglenn said:
How is it utter crap to point out that the immediate consequence of dropping out of a legal framework with nothing to replace it is that you also lose the benefits? It seems pretty self-evident and not at all an emotive point to me.welshowl said:
So American Airlines want to fly to London, and BA vice versa. And Varadkar and his mates are going to phone the Donald ( who’s such an EU fan) and tell him and the U.K. they jolly well can’t, and we and the Americans are going to listen? The Irish going to shoot them down with a couple of Air Sea Rescue helicopters are they? Or is it a trade blockade now too? And that’s helps Ireland how?williamglenn said:
Has he said anything beyond the notice to stakeholders that went out in January?welshowl said:
What warnings? Varadkar’s apparently crazed ramblings about banning flights from U.K. airspace?williamglenn said:I think a lot of the support for No Deal is based on the idea that we won't have to pay the divorce bill if we walk away. These warnings should put paid to the fantasy that we would be negotiating from strength in a No Deal scenario.
https://ec.europa.eu/transport/sites/transport/files/legislation/brexit-notice-to-stakeholders-air-transport.pdf
Air carriers of the United Kingdom will no longer enjoy traffic rights under any air transport agreement to which the Union is a party, be it to or from the territory of the United Kingdom, be it to or from the territory of any of the EU Member States
How does this help your cause? Are you trying to frighten us into loving the EU? Because it’s not going to work.
It’s this kind of utter crap that undermines some of the better points Remainers make.0 -
I think in future Irish parlance this will be known as doing a Varadkar
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-44642303
I will not prepare for hard border the EU have got our back.
https://www.irishtimes.com/news/politics/brexit-1-000-new-customs-and-veterinary-inspectors-to-be-hired-1.3569403
Varadakar announces 1,000 new customs officials as he is told to prepare for hard border by the EU who can not find his back now.0 -
‘My relatives were murdered in the gas chamber’: Jewish Labour MP defends calling Corbyn a ‘f***ing anti-Semite’ as she reveals her grandparents who were murdered by Hitler fuel her fight to confront racism in her own party
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5968069/Margaret-Hodge-defends-attacking-Jeremy-Corbyn-emotional-article.html0 -
Of course something will replace it PDQ, on the EU's terms and after we put all the elements of the withdrawal agreement back on the table, perhaps plus some compensation for the inconvenience.welshowl said:
Because something will replace it pdq or the EU are proposing to Cuba blockade us. It’s crap. We both know it.williamglenn said:
How is it utter crap to point out that the immediate consequence of dropping out of a legal framework with nothing to replace it is that you also lose the benefits? It seems pretty self-evident and not at all an emotive point to me.welshowl said:
So American Airlines want to fly to London, and BA vice versa. And Varadkar and his mates are going to phone the Donald ( who’s such an EU fan) and tell him and the U.K. they jolly well can’t, and we and the Americans are going to listen? The Irish going to shoot them down with a couple of Air Sea Rescue helicopters are they? Or is it a trade blockade now too? And that’s helps Ireland how?williamglenn said:
Has he said anything beyond the notice to stakeholders that went out in January?welshowl said:
What warnings? Varadkar’s apparently crazed ramblings about banning flights from U.K. airspace?williamglenn said:I think a lot of the support for No Deal is based on the idea that we won't have to pay the divorce bill if we walk away. These warnings should put paid to the fantasy that we would be negotiating from strength in a No Deal scenario.
https://ec.europa.eu/transport/sites/transport/files/legislation/brexit-notice-to-stakeholders-air-transport.pdf
Air carriers of the United Kingdom will no longer enjoy traffic rights under any air transport agreement to which the Union is a party, be it to or from the territory of the United Kingdom, be it to or from the territory of any of the EU Member States
How does this help your cause? Are you trying to frighten us into loving the EU? Because it’s not going to work.
It’s this kind of utter crap that undermines some of the better points Remainers make.0 -
I'm amused that the Leavers that assured us No Deal was Project Fear are now opining what to do when No Deal happens.
If I wanted to be cruel I could list all their comments from Alastair did a fantastically well researched piece on how difficult it was to do trade deals and they said it would be easy.0 -
So there will be no hard border in the event of no deal, but there will be one if we do a deal the EU don't like? OK.ralphmalph said:I think in future Irish parlance this will be known as doing a Varadkar
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-44642303
I will not prepare for hard border the EU have got our back.
https://www.irishtimes.com/news/politics/brexit-1-000-new-customs-and-veterinary-inspectors-to-be-hired-1.3569403
Varadakar announces 1,000 new customs officials as he is told to prepare for hard border by the EU who can not find his back now.0 -
LOL.ralphmalph said:I think in future Irish parlance this will be known as doing a Varadkar
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-44642303
I will not prepare for hard border the EU have got our back.
https://www.irishtimes.com/news/politics/brexit-1-000-new-customs-and-veterinary-inspectors-to-be-hired-1.3569403
Varadakar announces 1,000 new customs officials as he is told to prepare for hard border by the EU who can not find his back now.
Britain not exactly blessed with inspiring leadership at the moment, but Varadkar is perfect demonstration that things could be worse.0 -
Completely off topic but at the cricket yesterday there was an extremely loud pop.
A large Indian man said, “don’t worry lads, we’re Indians.”
Indians, Brits and all found this very funny. It was racist, I suppose, but it highlighted where we have a problem. And it is not with Indian immigrants. They love their cricket, they love their beer and they know how to have a good time in the same way we do, even if they fail the Tebbit test spectacularly.
About the only difference I noted was by the time Root got his 100 they had all left. They don’t like to watch their team lose. But not for the first time I greatly enjoyed their company.0 -
Can I have what you’re on?williamglenn said:
Of course something will replace it PDQ, on the EU's terms and after we put all the elements of the withdrawal agreement back on the table, perhaps plus some compensation for the inconvenience.welshowl said:
Because something will replace it pdq or the EU are proposing to Cuba blockade us. It’s crap. We both know it.williamglenn said:
How is it utter crap to point out that the immediate consequence of dropping out of a legal framework with nothing to replace it is that you also lose the benefits? It seems pretty self-evident and not at all an emotive point to me.welshowl said:
So American Airlines want to fly to London, and BA vice versa. And Varadkar and his mates are going to phone the Donald ( who’s such an EU fan) and tell him and the U.K. they jolly well can’t, and we and the Americans are going to listen? The Irish going to shoot them down with a couple of Air Sea Rescue helicopters are they? Or is it a trade blockade now too? And that’s helps Ireland how?williamglenn said:
Has he said anything beyond the notice to stakeholders that went out in January?welshowl said:
What warnings? Varadkar’s apparently crazed ramblings about banning flights from U.K. airspace?williamglenn said:I think a lot of the support for No Deal is based on the idea that we won't have to pay the divorce bill if we walk away. These warnings should put paid to the fantasy that we would be negotiating from strength in a No Deal scenario.
https://ec.europa.eu/transport/sites/transport/files/legislation/brexit-notice-to-stakeholders-air-transport.pdf
Air carriers of the United Kingdom will no longer enjoy traffic rights under any air transport agreement to which the Union is a party, be it to or from the territory of the United Kingdom, be it to or from the territory of any of the EU Member States
How does this help your cause? Are you trying to frighten us into loving the EU? Because it’s not going to work.
It’s this kind of utter crap that undermines some of the better points Remainers make.0 -
Could I recommend to you a film called the Gatekeepers? I don't think it'll change your view at all, but I do think it provides a really interesting background. (You may of course have already seen it)MJW said:justin124 said:
I have no time for Anti-Semitism at all and seriously doubt that the issue would have arisen in our own politics were we still looking at the Israel of David BenGurion - Golda Meier - Levi Eschcoll or indeed Simon Peres. The shift to the extreme Right as evidenced by the oppressive policies of Netanyahu's Likud and its adoption of quasi-Apartheid policies has inevitably stirred humanitarian concerns for the plight of the Palestinian minority and created a breeding ground for Hamas and other groups.To be strongly opposed to the present Israeli Government should not be construed as Anti-Semitism - yet many appear to fail to see the difference.
Justin's argument is pretty nonsensical and divorced from fact. Netanyahu's policies are dreadful and have added fuel to the fire, but he didn't create a 'breeding ground' for Hamas. They were elected in 2006 shortly after Sharon's national government withdrew from Gaza and kicked out a bunch of settlers. Israel then refused to negotiate with Hamas who were and are still a group that failed to renounce their call for Israel to be wiped out or violent attacks, and we've then seen ever more intransigent right-wing governments since, as more Israelis have come to see a negotiated peace as implausible and focused on security. That's largely why you've got all these oppressively stringent security measures and blockades - because it's the only way the Israeli government thinks it can stop Hamas carrying out attacks at will, given their history and expertise in suicide attacks.
So, if anything, it's been the other way round - Israeli politics has shifted right in response to greater militancy from the Palestinians (or more to the point, from the state that funds and directs Hamas and doesn't want peace).0 -
If the EU and Varakdar’s plans on aviation get followed through, there won’t be any flights from the UK at all, so we’ll all be getting the ferry if we want to leave the country.brendan16 said:
I presume all Ryanair flights from the UK will be routed to Belfast or Derry with an onward coach to Dublin or Knock where you connect to your flight to the EU. You probably won't take off much further away then than the airport where you land when you arrive in Europe is from the supposed city it is named after.Sandpit said:
Oh I agree they wouldn’t be much loss, but I’m looking forward to the fireworks display from O’Leary.CD13 said:Mr Sandpit,
Ryanair would be no loss anyway. I'm warming to the loon already.
Do they really think that threatening to treat the UK like North Korea is going to make us love them or want to pay them a penny? If they actually try and ground planes European business is going to go ballistic at Junker and Barnier.0 -
I also have to say that I am very disappointed with PB for once. I go to Leeds for a couple of days and all hell breaks loose. I thought we had more discipline than that.0
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How much are they going to be offering us in exchange for the £100bn annual trade surplus?williamglenn said:
Of course something will replace it PDQ, on the EU's terms and after we put all the elements of the withdrawal agreement back on the table, perhaps plus some compensation for the inconvenience.welshowl said:
Because something will replace it pdq or the EU are proposing to Cuba blockade us. It’s crap. We both know it.williamglenn said:
How is it utter crap to point out that the immediate consequence of dropping out of a legal framework with nothing to replace it is that you also lose the benefits? It seems pretty self-evident and not at all an emotive point to me.welshowl said:
So American Airlines want to fly to London, and BA vice versa. And Varadkar and his mates are going to phone the Donald ( who’s such an EU fan) and tell him and the U.K. they jolly well can’t, and we and the Americans are going to listen? The Irish going to shoot them down with a couple of Air Sea Rescue helicopters are they? Or is it a trade blockade now too? And that’s helps Ireland how?williamglenn said:
Has he said anything beyond the notice to stakeholders that went out in January?welshowl said:
What warnings? Varadkar’s apparently crazed ramblings about banning flights from U.K. airspace?williamglenn said:I think a lot of the support for No Deal is based on the idea that we won't have to pay the divorce bill if we walk away. These warnings should put paid to the fantasy that we would be negotiating from strength in a No Deal scenario.
https://ec.europa.eu/transport/sites/transport/files/legislation/brexit-notice-to-stakeholders-air-transport.pdf
Air carriers of the United Kingdom will no longer enjoy traffic rights under any air transport agreement to which the Union is a party, be it to or from the territory of the United Kingdom, be it to or from the territory of any of the EU Member States
How does this help your cause? Are you trying to frighten us into loving the EU? Because it’s not going to work.
It’s this kind of utter crap that undermines some of the better points Remainers make.0 -
Apparently the BBC idiotic decision not just to apologise to Cliff Richard is going to cost £5 million in legal fees.0
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Why would you think it racist?DavidL said:Completely off topic but at the cricket yesterday there was an extremely loud pop.
A large Indian man said, “don’t worry lads, we’re Indians.”
Indians, Brits and all found this very funny. It was racist, I suppose, but it highlighted where we have a problem. And it is not with Indian immigrants. They love their cricket, they love their beer and they know how to have a good time in the same way we do, even if they fail the Tebbit test spectacularly.
About the only difference I noted was by the time Root got his 100 they had all left. They don’t like to watch their team lose. But not for the first time I greatly enjoyed their company.0 -
Don't Transatlantic flights already fly up to Scotland and across via Greenland anyway? Do they even enter Irish airspace?RobD said:
Not a huge deal to fly around Ireland, I suppose.Mortimer said:
https://twitter.com/gavreilly/status/1019636060001918980RobD said:
What did he say?Mortimer said:Varadkar is embarrasing himself now: what a ridiculous comment to make.
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Not really. There are ferries from Cork that bypass the UK.Mortimer said:
Indeed not.RobD said:
Not a huge deal to fly around Ireland, I suppose.Mortimer said:
https://twitter.com/gavreilly/status/1019636060001918980RobD said:
What did he say?Mortimer said:Varadkar is embarrasing himself now: what a ridiculous comment to make.
Quite a massive deal to drive trucks to the EU from Ireland, without going through the UK, though...
(unless you were being satiric, in which case apols)
https://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/life/travel/first-direct-ferry-crossing-from-ireland-to-spain-launches-this-year-36493932.html0 -
I think people are underestimating how complicated the international aviation industry is.0
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You may have to get used to being a failed parent.DavidL said:I also have to say that I am very disappointed with PB for once. I go to Leeds for a couple of days and all hell breaks loose. I thought we had more discipline than that.
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It's obviously a bit of domestic politicking - which we can hardly begrudge the Taoiseach given the fact our entire approach to Brexit has largely been governed by domestic political wrangles within the Tory Party rather than practical sense.CD13 said:Last time I spoke to my brother-in-law, an avid Fine Gael supporter, I asked him about his new leader. "You'll not be taking him too seriously," he said. "He likes a bit of publicity."
Ireland is the only EU country with as much to lose as the UK in the event of 'No Deal', so it's in Vardarkar's interests to talk up the consequences now, to manage expectations and look tough at home with the added bonus of possibly shoving the UK agenda a bit more to the consequences (which although not as drastic, would be considerable).0 -
Why would we want to let Irish planes fly in our airspace at all?brendan16 said:
I presume all Ryanair flights from the UK will be routed to Belfast or Derry with an onward coach to Dublin or Knock where you connect to your flight to the EU. You probably won't take off much further away then than the airport where you land when you arrive in Europe is from the supposed city it is named after.Sandpit said:
Oh I agree they wouldn’t be much loss, but I’m looking forward to the fireworks display from O’Leary.CD13 said:Mr Sandpit,
Ryanair would be no loss anyway. I'm warming to the loon already.
More generally it is a good idea to fly to the US from Ireland as you preclear US customs and immigration in Dublin and Shannon which smooths your arrival greatly stateside especially if you have a connecting flight.
Yes, the US immigration at Shannon is a brilliant idea, we should be encouraging Trump to let us do the same at Heathrow.0 -
Have you read your own links.ralphmalph said:I think in future Irish parlance this will be known as doing a Varadkar
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-44642303
I will not prepare for hard border the EU have got our back.
https://www.irishtimes.com/news/politics/brexit-1-000-new-customs-and-veterinary-inspectors-to-be-hired-1.3569403
Varadakar announces 1,000 new customs officials as he is told to prepare for hard border by the EU who can not find his back now.
Link 1
However, he said there were contingency plans for Irish airports and seaports in event of a no deal Brexit.
Link 2
At the meeting, Ministers agreed to hire 700 additional customs officials to be deployed at ports and airports, and 300 extra staff to carry out checks on agricultural produce and animals travelling between Ireland and the UK after Brexit.
They are activating the contingency plans.0 -
Essential to bear in mind demographic changes to understand the evolution in Israeli politics too - the arrival of ex-Soviet Jewry in large numbers from the 1990s has transformed the nation. These weren't people who saw Arabs as (at least potential) brothers or business partners on account of living among them for centuries, nor did they arrive under the auspices of an idealistic Zionist socialist project as many European Jews did. Different values, different culture, different political preferences and objectives.MJW said:
So, if anything, it's been the other way round - Israeli politics has shifted right in response to greater militancy from the Palestinians (or more to the point, from the state that funds and directs Hamas and doesn't want peace).
Some interesting pieces from Haaretz:
This year marks the 25th anniversary of a mass immigration wave that would ultimately bring more than one million immigrants to Israel from the former Soviet Union. Its impact on Israeli society has been nothing short of profound. - a key read
The Russians Are Coming! One out of every four combat soldiers is a new immigrant, and they are changing the face of the IDF. (from 2002)
One in Six Soviet Children Who Moved to Israel in the Early 1990s Have Since Left
Why Members of the 'Putin Aliyah' Are Abandoning Israel - particularly interesting albeit mostly anecdotal; the early wave of post-Cold War Russian Jewish migrants, who tended to be conservative, more strongly Jewish-identifying and found work - and tasted combat - in the IDF, didn't get on well with the later wave of migration of liberal professionals of Jewish descent who didn't enjoy Putin's authoritarianism and saw their ancestry as a means of getting a passport to a more "Western" state.0 -
that is for west coast USA. East coast are over the Atlantic. Flightradar24 is you friend.Philip_Thompson said:
Don't Transatlantic flights already fly up to Scotland and across via Greenland anyway? Do they even enter Irish airspace?RobD said:
Not a huge deal to fly around Ireland, I suppose.Mortimer said:
https://twitter.com/gavreilly/status/1019636060001918980RobD said:
What did he say?Mortimer said:Varadkar is embarrasing himself now: what a ridiculous comment to make.
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Because he was stereotyping Pakistanis as people who blow things up.Cyclefree said:
Why would you think it racist?DavidL said:Completely off topic but at the cricket yesterday there was an extremely loud pop.
A large Indian man said, “don’t worry lads, we’re Indians.”
Indians, Brits and all found this very funny. It was racist, I suppose, but it highlighted where we have a problem. And it is not with Indian immigrants. They love their cricket, they love their beer and they know how to have a good time in the same way we do, even if they fail the Tebbit test spectacularly.
About the only difference I noted was by the time Root got his 100 they had all left. They don’t like to watch their team lose. But not for the first time I greatly enjoyed their company.0 -
That was the thing I found most remarkable about the whole case. Did the senior management really think this was ok? The case was screaming out for settlement and a sensible tender.FrancisUrquhart said:Apparently the BBC idiotic decision not just to apologise to Cliff Richard is going to cost £5 million in legal fees.
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I'm happy to listen.CD13 said:Mr Omnium,
"I woke up to hear Ms Soubry on the radio."
What's the old phrase ... "You can almost hear the flapping of white coats"? I suppose the current phrase is 'mental health issues."
Or is it being the MP for Broxstowe? Yet Dr P seems safe enough to be allowed to walk around in public.
Many Remainers are sort of hung-up in varying degrees on the referendum. I think Greening suggested a three-way vote on (Brexit1, Brexit2, Remain) the other day. Now if you believe in referenda then you shouldn't have a Remain clause really.
Absolutely all Remainers though are worth listening to. The conflicts that have caused them concern are really there.
Brexit is a starting point for a life outside the EU, but quite where we find ourselves in the spectrum of what that might mean is entirely open to debate. The politics of the next twenty years will be substantially shaped by this.
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Dismissal and/or loss of bonus yes but loss of pension is not an appropriate sanction.Big_G_NorthWales said:
Named and sacked with loss of pensionCD13 said:Sorry to go off-topic so quickly, but today's court judgement brought back my thoughts when I watched the BBC reporting on a police operation. Who told the BBC, I wondered, how come they had a helicopter on standby?.
I assumed money had changed hands. When I watch real-life police programmes, they blur out the faces even when we can see clear evidence of wrong-doing taking place. To see a well-known person's house was a bit of a shock. I assumed the evidence was damning.
The BBC will cough up, the tax-payer will foot the bill, and the guilty parties, those who authorised this imbecilic waste of money, will take a fat bonus. Why aren't they being named?0 -
Yes from link 1 "Ireland will not be preparing for a hard border, even as the risk of a hard Brexit rises," the taoiseach (Irish prime minister) Leo Varadkar has said.TheScreamingEagles said:
Have you read your own links.ralphmalph said:I think in future Irish parlance this will be known as doing a Varadkar
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-44642303
I will not prepare for hard border the EU have got our back.
https://www.irishtimes.com/news/politics/brexit-1-000-new-customs-and-veterinary-inspectors-to-be-hired-1.3569403
Varadakar announces 1,000 new customs officials as he is told to prepare for hard border by the EU who can not find his back now.
Link 1
However, he said there were contingency plans for Irish airports and seaports in event of a no deal Brexit.
Link 2
At the meeting, Ministers agreed to hire 700 additional customs officials to be deployed at ports and airports, and 300 extra staff to carry out checks on agricultural produce and animals travelling between Ireland and the UK after Brexit.
They are activating the contingency plans.
Then he says they have contingency plans. My whole point. The second link is to just proof he has put them in action.
A Varadkar - Saying you will not do something in one sentence and then immediately contradicting it in the next.
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Rees-Mogg needs to issue a statement and tell us precisely what form of Brexit he intends to impose. We can't go on pretending Theresa has any say in the matter. We can all then take a long, hard look at the implications. My worry is that he'll wreak all this havoc but then slide away into the shadows never to be heard of again, leaving others to clear up his mess. No, it's about time we had some democratic accountability with Brexit, which is starting to feel like the beginnings of anarchy.0
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Totally off topic, but the English transfer window closes in just over 3 weeks.
Anyone amazed that apart from Liverpool there's not much transfer business going on?
It might be a hectic few weeks.
Who will be the new Karel Poborsky?0 -
Looks like the tea sock has been lunching with Junker
https://twitter.com/hughrbennett/status/1019658719242670081?s=210 -
The case has been handled appallingly after the BBC has behaved appallingly. Heads should roll. But on the point of law, the BBC is right to press. There is public interest in the fact that a public figure is under investigation in relation to a possible criminal offence.DavidL said:
That was the thing I found most remarkable about the whole case. Did the senior management really think this was ok? The case was screaming out for settlement and a sensible tender.FrancisUrquhart said:Apparently the BBC idiotic decision not just to apologise to Cliff Richard is going to cost £5 million in legal fees.
To take an unrelated example, Vote Leave have just been referred to the police by the Electoral Commission. If this were hypothetically to widen to include, say, Michael Gove, do we really want the law to prevent that fact from being reported?0 -
There are plenty of contingencies that need to be activated for a No Deal Brexit apart from at the border.ralphmalph said:
Yes from link 1 "Ireland will not be preparing for a hard border, even as the risk of a hard Brexit rises," the taoiseach (Irish prime minister) Leo Varadkar has said.TheScreamingEagles said:
Have you read your own links.ralphmalph said:I think in future Irish parlance this will be known as doing a Varadkar
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-44642303
I will not prepare for hard border the EU have got our back.
https://www.irishtimes.com/news/politics/brexit-1-000-new-customs-and-veterinary-inspectors-to-be-hired-1.3569403
Varadakar announces 1,000 new customs officials as he is told to prepare for hard border by the EU who can not find his back now.
Link 1
However, he said there were contingency plans for Irish airports and seaports in event of a no deal Brexit.
Link 2
At the meeting, Ministers agreed to hire 700 additional customs officials to be deployed at ports and airports, and 300 extra staff to carry out checks on agricultural produce and animals travelling between Ireland and the UK after Brexit.
They are activating the contingency plans.
Then he says they have contingency plans. My whole point. The second link is to just proof he has put them in action.
A Varadkar - Saying you will not do something in one sentence and then immediately contradicting it in the next.0 -
TheScreamingEagles said:
Totally off topic, but the English transfer window closes in just over 3 weeks.
Anyone amazed that apart from Liverpool there's not much transfer business going on?
It might be a hectic few weeks.
Who will be the new Karel Poborsky?
Are Liverpool going to buy another Benteke, Borini, Carroll. Keane, Konchesky.TheScreamingEagles said:Totally off topic, but the English transfer window closes in just over 3 weeks.
Anyone amazed that apart from Liverpool there's not much transfer business going on?
It might be a hectic few weeks.
Who will be the new Karel Poborsky?
Gives us all a good laugh.0 -
The two missing but clearly implied words - "we're Indians, not Pakistanis" (or "Muslims" or "terrorists"). As someone with several Pakistani friends and who has made a decent share of my "fortune" doing business with that community, I might have found it awkward to laugh at that joke.Cyclefree said:
Why would you think it racist?DavidL said:Completely off topic but at the cricket yesterday there was an extremely loud pop.
A large Indian man said, “don’t worry lads, we’re Indians.”
Indians, Brits and all found this very funny. It was racist, I suppose, but it highlighted where we have a problem. And it is not with Indian immigrants. They love their cricket, they love their beer and they know how to have a good time in the same way we do, even if they fail the Tebbit test spectacularly.
About the only difference I noted was by the time Root got his 100 they had all left. They don’t like to watch their team lose. But not for the first time I greatly enjoyed their company.
For what it's worth much of the virulent anti-Muslim, anti-Pakistani rants I've ever been subjected to - both against those living in Pakistan itself and those living over here - have come from (otherwise generally very liberal, westernised, "integrated") British Indians.0 -
Well I hope we are too.TheScreamingEagles said:
Have you read your own links.ralphmalph said:I think in future Irish parlance this will be known as doing a Varadkar
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-44642303
I will not prepare for hard border the EU have got our back.
https://www.irishtimes.com/news/politics/brexit-1-000-new-customs-and-veterinary-inspectors-to-be-hired-1.3569403
Varadakar announces 1,000 new customs officials as he is told to prepare for hard border by the EU who can not find his back now.
Link 1
However, he said there were contingency plans for Irish airports and seaports in event of a no deal Brexit.
Link 2
At the meeting, Ministers agreed to hire 700 additional customs officials to be deployed at ports and airports, and 300 extra staff to carry out checks on agricultural produce and animals travelling between Ireland and the UK after Brexit.
They are activating the contingency plans.
Every time I feel despair at the idiotic behaviour of the British government, along comes some EU person to remind me how equally obtuse the EU is being.
It’s not hard to understand: Britain has voted to leave the EU. Depending on your point of view this is either a good or bad thing or, more likely, a bit of both. It makes sense for both us and the EU to have some new arrangement for matters of mutual interest in place. With goodwill this can - eventually - be achieved. Britain needs to be realistic. But the EU needs to stop behaving as if Britain is - or should be treated as - some sort of pariah state which deserves to be punished for not liking the EU.
Does the EU really think that putting Britain under some sort of blockade with no-one able to get in or out of the country is in the EU’s interests?0 -
It’s under discussionSandpit said:
Why would we want to let Irish planes fly in our airspace at all?brendan16 said:
I presume all Ryanair flights from the UK will be routed to Belfast or Derry with an onward coach to Dublin or Knock where you connect to your flight to the EU. You probably won't take off much further away then than the airport where you land when you arrive in Europe is from the supposed city it is named after.Sandpit said:
Oh I agree they wouldn’t be much loss, but I’m looking forward to the fireworks display from O’Leary.CD13 said:Mr Sandpit,
Ryanair would be no loss anyway. I'm warming to the loon already.
More generally it is a good idea to fly to the US from Ireland as you preclear US customs and immigration in Dublin and Shannon which smooths your arrival greatly stateside especially if you have a connecting flight.
Yes, the US immigration at Shannon is a brilliant idea, we should be encouraging Trump to let us do the same at Heathrow.0 -
Junker likes an early start: it was breakfastTGOHF said:Looks like the tea sock has been lunching with Junker
https://twitter.com/hughrbennett/status/1019658719242670081?s=210 -
Was he? Or was he stereotyping Muslims? Who are not a race, of course.DavidL said:
Because he was stereotyping Pakistanis as people who blow things up.Cyclefree said:
Why would you think it racist?DavidL said:Completely off topic but at the cricket yesterday there was an extremely loud pop.
A large Indian man said, “don’t worry lads, we’re Indians.”
Indians, Brits and all found this very funny. It was racist, I suppose, but it highlighted where we have a problem. And it is not with Indian immigrants. They love their cricket, they love their beer and they know how to have a good time in the same way we do, even if they fail the Tebbit test spectacularly.
About the only difference I noted was by the time Root got his 100 they had all left. They don’t like to watch their team lose. But not for the first time I greatly enjoyed their company.0 -
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I can assure you that no Old Etonian would behave in such a manner. No, sirreeStark_Dawning said:My worry is that he'll wreak all this havoc but then slide away into the shadows never to be heard of again, leaving others to clear up his mess.
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No I wouldn’t. But there is a big difference between reporting a search and having a helicopter hanging over the house. That was a clear and serious breach of privacy. It is not the report, it is the way it was done.AlastairMeeks said:
The case has been handled appallingly after the BBC has behaved appallingly. Heads should roll. But on the point of law, the BBC is right to press. There is public interest in the fact that a public figure is under investigation in relation to a possible criminal offence.DavidL said:
That was the thing I found most remarkable about the whole case. Did the senior management really think this was ok? The case was screaming out for settlement and a sensible tender.FrancisUrquhart said:Apparently the BBC idiotic decision not just to apologise to Cliff Richard is going to cost £5 million in legal fees.
To take an unrelated example, Vote Leave have just been referred to the police by the Electoral Commission. If this were hypothetically to widen to include, say, Michael Gove, do we really want the law to prevent that fact from being reported?0 -
Real Madrid announced today not interested in Hazard and will not be buying any galacticosTheScreamingEagles said:Totally off topic, but the English transfer window closes in just over 3 weeks.
Anyone amazed that apart from Liverpool there's not much transfer business going on?
It might be a hectic few weeks.
Who will be the new Karel Poborsky?
See if that psns out0 -
They have their red lines and we have our red lines.Cyclefree said:
Well I hope we are too.TheScreamingEagles said:
Have you read your own links.ralphmalph said:I think in future Irish parlance this will be known as doing a Varadkar
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-44642303
I will not prepare for hard border the EU have got our back.
https://www.irishtimes.com/news/politics/brexit-1-000-new-customs-and-veterinary-inspectors-to-be-hired-1.3569403
Varadakar announces 1,000 new customs officials as he is told to prepare for hard border by the EU who can not find his back now.
Link 1
However, he said there were contingency plans for Irish airports and seaports in event of a no deal Brexit.
Link 2
At the meeting, Ministers agreed to hire 700 additional customs officials to be deployed at ports and airports, and 300 extra staff to carry out checks on agricultural produce and animals travelling between Ireland and the UK after Brexit.
They are activating the contingency plans.
Every time I feel despair at the idiotic behaviour of the British government, along comes some EU person to remind me how equally obtuse the EU is being.
It’s not hard to understand: Britain has voted to leave the EU. Depending on your point of view this is either a good or bad thing or, more likely, a bit of both. It makes sense for both us and the EU to have some new arrangement for matters of mutual interest in place. With goodwill this can - eventually - be achieved. Britain needs to be realistic. But the EU needs to stop behaving as if Britain is - or should be treated as - some sort of pariah state which deserves to be punished for not liking the EU.
Does the EU really think that putting Britain under some sort of blockade with no-one able to get in or out of the country is in the EU’s interests?
With Brexit we could become a 'lawless' country within a few months as we've not prepped for undoing 40 odd years of trading relationship and laws.
You'll probably 'appreciate' the analogy to Brexit I was given yesterday in Frankfurt.
Brexit is like Nick Leeson, the first mistake was survivable, in doubling down we've made the mistake even worse.
UK as Barings was not an analogy that cheered me up.0 -
Depends if it is a 'north-about' or 'south-about' which depends on jet-streams etc.ralphmalph said:
that is for west coast USA. East coast are over the Atlantic. Flightradar24 is you friend.Philip_Thompson said:
Don't Transatlantic flights already fly up to Scotland and across via Greenland anyway? Do they even enter Irish airspace?RobD said:
Not a huge deal to fly around Ireland, I suppose.Mortimer said:
https://twitter.com/gavreilly/status/1019636060001918980RobD said:
What did he say?Mortimer said:Varadkar is embarrasing himself now: what a ridiculous comment to make.
I wouldn't get too hung up on Varadkar's claims - I would happily remortgage my house to bet on him being wrong even in the event of the hardest of hard Brexits.0 -
It is worth remembering that in a No Deal scenario, we would be unable to be shareholders in the EIB*. As part of the divorce proceedings, we are being paid (IIRC) €7bn for our stake in it. Our "in" cost is about a quarter of that level, and it's possible we would only get our in cost back - and that after a few years of litigation.williamglenn said:I think a lot of the support for No Deal is based on the idea that we won't have to pay the divorce bill if we walk away. These warnings should put paid to the fantasy that we would be negotiating from strength in a No Deal scenario.
* As in the Articles of Association require you to be an EU country to be a shareholder. If the EIB sent us €1.6bn and told us "thanks!", it's hard to see what we could do about it.0 -
Good to hear.Charles said:
It’s under discussionSandpit said:
Why would we want to let Irish planes fly in our airspace at all?brendan16 said:
I presume all Ryanair flights from the UK will be routed to Belfast or Derry with an onward coach to Dublin or Knock where you connect to your flight to the EU. You probably won't take off much further away then than the airport where you land when you arrive in Europe is from the supposed city it is named after.Sandpit said:
Oh I agree they wouldn’t be much loss, but I’m looking forward to the fireworks display from O’Leary.CD13 said:Mr Sandpit,
Ryanair would be no loss anyway. I'm warming to the loon already.
More generally it is a good idea to fly to the US from Ireland as you preclear US customs and immigration in Dublin and Shannon which smooths your arrival greatly stateside especially if you have a connecting flight.
Yes, the US immigration at Shannon is a brilliant idea, we should be encouraging Trump to let us do the same at Heathrow.0 -
Or another Torres, Suarez, Coutinho or Salah.ralphmalph said:TheScreamingEagles said:Totally off topic, but the English transfer window closes in just over 3 weeks.
Anyone amazed that apart from Liverpool there's not much transfer business going on?
It might be a hectic few weeks.
Who will be the new Karel Poborsky?
Are Liverpool going to buy another Benteke, Borini, Carroll. Keane, Konchesky.TheScreamingEagles said:Totally off topic, but the English transfer window closes in just over 3 weeks.
Anyone amazed that apart from Liverpool there's not much transfer business going on?
It might be a hectic few weeks.
Who will be the new Karel Poborsky?
Gives us all a good laugh.
It always makes me laugh when opponents of Liverpool mention Carroll. Carroll was part of an excellent set of deals. He was purchased along with a rather unheard of player funded by the sale to Chelsea of Torres who was past his peak. That certain other player was Suarez.
Selling Torres to buy Carroll and Suarez was excellent transfer work.0 -
I would be interested to know, has there been a long-standing history of "problems" between Ma Hodge and Comrade Jeremy? I see that Margaret Hodge was elected to Islington Council in 1973, and Jezza became an Islington MP in 1983, partly as a result of the factionalism which saw a number of members leave to join the SDP. She remained a Councillor until (I think) 1992. Maybe a case of the MP not backing the Council, or vice versa?0
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Incidentally people are wondering what O'Leary thinks of the situation. Back in March he was predicting a real crisis and that planes would be grounded.
There's all kinds of wacky shit involved in aviation that seems completely bonkers to outsiders (because it is completely bonkers) . The US will screw us in any reciprocal agreement - EU carriers already get the short end of the stick in the USA-EU deal so we aren't going to do any better and will probably come out worse0
