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Unweighted UKIP base: 261.TheScreamingEagles said:
Changes from the last Populus poll of last yearTheScreamingEagles said:Populus @PopulusPolls 13s
Firstl Populus VI figures of 2014: Lab 40; Cons 33; LD 11; UKIP 8 (=); Oth 7 Tables http://popu.lu/s_vi140110
Con -2
Lab +3
LD -1
UKIP -1
Weighted UKIP base: 112.
KIppers may just like doing online surveys to bump their VI...
But the weighting is crackers. Though I think there should be some.
Phone pollsters best for UKIP VI.0 -
Yes, Populus still in the dark ages. I wonder when they will wake up and see that their methodology is bollocks and sack their CEO?TheScreamingEagles said:
Changes from the last Populus poll of last yearTheScreamingEagles said:Populus @PopulusPolls 13s
Firstl Populus VI figures of 2014: Lab 40; Cons 33; LD 11; UKIP 8 (=); Oth 7 Tables http://popu.lu/s_vi140110
Con -2
Lab +3
LD -1
UKIP -10 -
So UKIP just took 54% in a council by-election with a massive swing and we're supposed to believe that they're down 1% on a year ago in the Populus poll.TheScreamingEagles said:
Changes from the last Populus poll of last yearTheScreamingEagles said:Populus @PopulusPolls 13s
Firstl Populus VI figures of 2014: Lab 40; Cons 33; LD 11; UKIP 8 (=); Oth 7 Tables http://popu.lu/s_vi140110
Con -2
Lab +3
LD -1
UKIP -1
I appreciate this was in the UKIP heartland, but their vote is noticeably up all around England and Wales in recent by-elections. These polls are fast losing credibility with me to be honest.
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No it's the last poll of 2013, ie the one conducted in December 2013OCromwell said:
So UKIP just took 54% in a council by-election with a massive swing and we're supposed to believe that they're down 1% on a year ago in the Populus poll.TheScreamingEagles said:
Changes from the last Populus poll of last yearTheScreamingEagles said:Populus @PopulusPolls 13s
Firstl Populus VI figures of 2014: Lab 40; Cons 33; LD 11; UKIP 8 (=); Oth 7 Tables http://popu.lu/s_vi140110
Con -2
Lab +3
LD -1
UKIP -1
I appreciate this was in the UKIP heartland, but their vote is noticeably up all around England and Wales in recent by-elections. These polls are fast losing credibility with me to be honest.0 -
It's excellent, isn't it?Alanbrooke said:More fun.
La Reding accuses Cameron of lying and scaremongering.
I'm not sure quite what the EU Commission are playing at on this one, but Nigel Farage must think it's Christmas in january.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/eu/10562740/David-Cameron-lying-to-British-voters-about-the-EU-and-immigration-Viviane-Reding-claims.html
Those whom the gods wish to destroy........
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On topic, aren't we in danger of reading too much into one result?
May will be a better indicator.0 -
Doesn't matter. It's still a load of bollocks.TheScreamingEagles said:
No it's the last poll of 2013, ie the one conducted in December 2013OCromwell said:
So UKIP just took 54% in a council by-election with a massive swing and we're supposed to believe that they're down 1% on a year ago in the Populus poll.TheScreamingEagles said:
Changes from the last Populus poll of last yearTheScreamingEagles said:Populus @PopulusPolls 13s
Firstl Populus VI figures of 2014: Lab 40; Cons 33; LD 11; UKIP 8 (=); Oth 7 Tables http://popu.lu/s_vi140110
Con -2
Lab +3
LD -1
UKIP -1
I appreciate this was in the UKIP heartland, but their vote is noticeably up all around England and Wales in recent by-elections. These polls are fast losing credibility with me to be honest.0 -
Labour unweighted/Con unweighted suggests to me the true story is still ~38 / 32 also.0
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Mr. Brooke, is Farage a Coptic Christian?
Anyway, the deranged rambling of meddlesome, power-hungry foreign bureaucrats doesn't really alter much for me. I was planning on voting UKIP in the euros, and still am.0 -
The thing I'm most looking forward to see is, if Survation are the most accurate pollster when it comes to the Euros.Pulpstar said:
Unweighted UKIP base: 261.TheScreamingEagles said:
Changes from the last Populus poll of last yearTheScreamingEagles said:Populus @PopulusPolls 13s
Firstl Populus VI figures of 2014: Lab 40; Cons 33; LD 11; UKIP 8 (=); Oth 7 Tables http://popu.lu/s_vi140110
Con -2
Lab +3
LD -1
UKIP -1
Weighted UKIP base: 112.
KIppers may just like doing online surveys to bump their VI...
But the weighting is crackers. Though I think there should be some.
Phone pollsters best for UKIP VI.
Then we'll be able to see if prompting for UKIP is a good or bad thing.
Last year, the pollster that was the most accurate in the locals, didn't prompt for UKIP.0 -
UKIP took 54% of the vote in an election with a turnout of 18% . VI polls are based on a turnout of 60 - 70 %OCromwell said:
So UKIP just took 54% in a council by-election with a massive swing and we're supposed to believe that they're down 1% on a year ago in the Populus poll.TheScreamingEagles said:
Changes from the last Populus poll of last yearTheScreamingEagles said:Populus @PopulusPolls 13s
Firstl Populus VI figures of 2014: Lab 40; Cons 33; LD 11; UKIP 8 (=); Oth 7 Tables http://popu.lu/s_vi140110
Con -2
Lab +3
LD -1
UKIP -1
I appreciate this was in the UKIP heartland, but their vote is noticeably up all around England and Wales in recent by-elections. These polls are fast losing credibility with me to be honest.0 -
Luxemburg federalists always amuse me. Take away the national borders and what's the point of Luxemburg ?Sean_F said:
It's excellent, isn't it?Alanbrooke said:More fun.
La Reding accuses Cameron of lying and scaremongering.
I'm not sure quite what the EU Commission are playing at on this one, but Nigel Farage must think it's Christmas in january.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/eu/10562740/David-Cameron-lying-to-British-voters-about-the-EU-and-immigration-Viviane-Reding-claims.html
Those whom the gods wish to destroy........
It exists primarily as a place for tax-dodging Germans and multinats to park their profits. Remove the borders and it quickly goes back to being a Ruritanian backwater.0 -
Time for a pink box ?
Tele:
UK industrial production ouput flat while construction output falls
09.32 Britain's industrial production was flat between October and November, latest ONS figures have shown. Economists had expected a 0.4pc rise.
In a separate report, the ONS said that the UK's construction output had fallen 4pc in November. That compares with analyst predictions of a 0.8pc rise.0 -
If they start getting blamed for that then I expect to see their poll numbers collapse.OGH said:...it is UKIP that is making the weather
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Only slightly annoying thing is that I made £200 of it at VC. Two bets of £4 on Mel at 25-1. That could have errm ... consequences.0 -
Please note the name of this operation.Morris_Dancer said:Mr. Brooke, is Farage a Coptic Christian?
Anyway, the deranged rambling of meddlesome, power-hungry foreign bureaucrats doesn't really alter much for me. I was planning on voting UKIP in the euros, and still am.
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If you compare the yougov on the day to the actual results in every by election since UKIP were included in the daily VI, the worst they have done is to beat it by 1.8MikeK said:
Yes, Populus still in the dark ages. I wonder when they will wake up and see that their methodology is bollocks and sack their CEO?TheScreamingEagles said:
Changes from the last Populus poll of last yearTheScreamingEagles said:Populus @PopulusPolls 13s
Firstl Populus VI figures of 2014: Lab 40; Cons 33; LD 11; UKIP 8 (=); Oth 7 Tables http://popu.lu/s_vi140110
Con -2
Lab +3
LD -1
UKIP -1
Eastleigh YG 11% Actual 27.8%
Rotherham YG 10% Actual 21.8% ( Opinium 13%)
Corby YG 9% Actual 14.3% (Opinium 10%)
Middlesbrough YG 10% Actual 11.8% (Opinium 13%)
South Shields YG 10% Actual 24% (Opinium 17%)
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John Lewis claims 'cracking' post-Christmas sales up 23%
Department store reports week to 4 January sales up 23.6% on 2013 to £113.4m while Waitrose enjoyed a 9.3% increase
http://www.theguardian.com/business/2014/jan/10/john-lewis-cracking-post-christmas-sales-waitrose0 -
Mr. Eagles, perhaps Operation Sejanus would've been more fitting.0
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Well Andrew Mitchell's chances of coming back to the cabinet has received a bit of a boost
CourtNewsUK @CourtNewsUK 29s
Pc Keith Wallis pleads guilty to misconduct over Plebgate affair0 -
Is that the initial estimate or the revised ? The first ones are usually as was of paper.TGOHF said:Time for a pink box ?
Tele:
UK industrial production ouput flat while construction output falls
09.32 Britain's industrial production was flat between October and November, latest ONS figures have shown. Economists had expected a 0.4pc rise.
In a separate report, the ONS said that the UK's construction output had fallen 4pc in November. That compares with analyst predictions of a 0.8pc rise.0 -
I'm sure Avery LP will tell us how it is all part of the Osborn master planTGOHF said:Time for a pink box ?
Tele:
UK industrial production ouput flat while construction output falls
09.32 Britain's industrial production was flat between October and November, latest ONS figures have shown. Economists had expected a 0.4pc rise.
In a separate report, the ONS said that the UK's construction output had fallen 4pc in November. That compares with analyst predictions of a 0.8pc rise.
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GE voter turn outs have been much lower than 60/70% in recent decades. Mind you, enthusiasm for UKIP may bring out a bigger percentage this time.MarkSenior said:
UKIP took 54% of the vote in an election with a turnout of 18% . VI polls are based on a turnout of 60 - 70 %OCromwell said:
So UKIP just took 54% in a council by-election with a massive swing and we're supposed to believe that they're down 1% on a year ago in the Populus poll.TheScreamingEagles said:
Changes from the last Populus poll of last yearTheScreamingEagles said:Populus @PopulusPolls 13s
Firstl Populus VI figures of 2014: Lab 40; Cons 33; LD 11; UKIP 8 (=); Oth 7 Tables http://popu.lu/s_vi140110
Con -2
Lab +3
LD -1
UKIP -1
I appreciate this was in the UKIP heartland, but their vote is noticeably up all around England and Wales in recent by-elections. These polls are fast losing credibility with me to be honest.
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The question is probably what Viviane Reding is playing at, not what The EU Commission is playing at. Two explanations:Alanbrooke said:More fun.
La Reding accuses Cameron of lying and scaremongering.
I'm not sure quite what the EU Commission are playing at on this one, but Nigel Farage must think it's Christmas in january.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/eu/10562740/David-Cameron-lying-to-British-voters-about-the-EU-and-immigration-Viviane-Reding-claims.html
1) She's about to finish her second term, has no particular next job to go to, and being a generally outspoken person she's saying what she thinks.
2) She's running for the EPP nomination for Commission president, and thinks it will help her to voice what members of the other mainstream parties are thinking and raise her profile in the process.0 -
I'm trying to work our if Reding is making a robust defence of the EU and all its works or is pushing hard to get the UK out so she and her mates can create Paneuropa.Morris_Dancer said:Mr. Brooke, is Farage a Coptic Christian?
Anyway, the deranged rambling of meddlesome, power-hungry foreign bureaucrats doesn't really alter much for me. I was planning on voting UKIP in the euros, and still am.0 -
TheScreamingEagles said:
John Lewis claims 'cracking' post-Christmas sales up 23%
Department store reports week to 4 January sales up 23.6% on 2013 to £113.4m while Waitrose enjoyed a 9.3% increase
http://www.theguardian.com/business/2014/jan/10/john-lewis-cracking-post-christmas-sales-waitrose
Tesco and Mozza's loss are Waitrose's gain - no wonder there is a cost of living crisis - we are all buying posher vol au vents....
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Just a reminder for the sceptics amongst you that whilst UKIP has the admirable policy of wanting to leave the EU, the Morris Dancer Party holds the more robust position of invading France as our main foreign policy priority.0
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One of the most cretinous things about the whole thing was that it happened around the time of the WPCs being shot by Cregan.TheScreamingEagles said:Well Andrew Mitchell's chances of coming back to the cabinet has received a bit of a boost
CourtNewsUK @CourtNewsUK 29s
Pc Keith Wallis pleads guilty to misconduct over Plebgate affair
Some Met nobody coppers on an anti-Tory publicity seeking jolly.
Burn em. Burn em at the stake. Utter cretins. No respect for the badge.0 -
2010 GE turnout 65.1% 2005 61.4%MikeK said:
GE voter turn outs have been much lower than 60/70% in recent decades. Mind you, enthusiasm for UKIP may bring out a bigger percentage this time.MarkSenior said:
UKIP took 54% of the vote in an election with a turnout of 18% . VI polls are based on a turnout of 60 - 70 %OCromwell said:
So UKIP just took 54% in a council by-election with a massive swing and we're supposed to believe that they're down 1% on a year ago in the Populus poll.TheScreamingEagles said:
Changes from the last Populus poll of last yearTheScreamingEagles said:Populus @PopulusPolls 13s
Firstl Populus VI figures of 2014: Lab 40; Cons 33; LD 11; UKIP 8 (=); Oth 7 Tables http://popu.lu/s_vi140110
Con -2
Lab +3
LD -1
UKIP -1
I appreciate this was in the UKIP heartland, but their vote is noticeably up all around England and Wales in recent by-elections. These polls are fast losing credibility with me to be honest.
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Well whichever way it is I can't see her inviting the UK Conservatives back into the EPP fold.edmundintokyo said:
The question is probably what Viviane Reding is playing at, not what The EU Commission is playing at. Two explanations:Alanbrooke said:More fun.
La Reding accuses Cameron of lying and scaremongering.
I'm not sure quite what the EU Commission are playing at on this one, but Nigel Farage must think it's Christmas in january.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/eu/10562740/David-Cameron-lying-to-British-voters-about-the-EU-and-immigration-Viviane-Reding-claims.html
1) She's about to finish her second term, has no particular next job to go to, and being a generally outspoken person she's saying what she thinks.
2) She's running for the EPP nomination for Commission president, and thinks it will help her to voice what members of the other mainstream parties are thinking and raise her profile in the process.0 -
ok Samisam said:
Ive seen Nuttall perform better, but the woman (Boniface) next to him was a complete joke.. these media lefties are stuck in the 80s... same old claptrap "My family are descended from immigrants, these people saying we shouldn't have open borders are nasty etc etc "Pulpstar said:I didn't watch the show - am just going by the transcript on
http://www.theguardian.com/politics/blog/2014/jan/09/question-time-with-norman-baker-chuka-umunna-nadine-dorries-paul-nuttall-and-susie-boniface-bbcqt-politics-live-blog
Nuttall seems to have stuck to UKIP lines on stuff, all his positions look perfectly sensible (within the UKIP framework) to me.
Just had a look at Lewisham - the 3 seats there are all Labour safe seats with the Lib Dems in second.
About as far from UKIP fertile territory as you can get ! Perhaps this is why Nuttall didn't look good on the TV...
NO ONE IS SAYING IMMIGRATION SHOULD STOP, WE JUST WANT TO BE ABLE TO CONTROL IT TO ENSURE ONLY THE BEST COME
Actually, Nadine Dorries seemed to speak more coherently on UKIP policies, shame she said vote Conservative at the end of it all!
I'm going to say it. It may sound harsh but we both know it's what you want and for very good reasons.
Come over to us. Come over to the Conservatives.
You are a social conservative, you understand the practicalities of being in government, you believe that all "Big 3" politicians are crooked but have come to realise that there are no easy solutions to the very real economic and social challenges that face the UK now. Labour have proved themselves incompetent and are in denial (albeit with their hearts in the right place) and the LDs have not adjusted to the change from protest party to party in govt.
UKIP for all its +/- 5% who knows perhaps <10% vote share is going to make it harder for the only party able to govern and to rescue the UK to govern and rescue the UK.
And you know that that party is the Conservatives.0 -
Was that ComRes?TheScreamingEagles said:
The thing I'm most looking forward to see is, if Survation are the most accurate pollster when it comes to the Euros.Pulpstar said:
Unweighted UKIP base: 261.TheScreamingEagles said:
Changes from the last Populus poll of last yearTheScreamingEagles said:Populus @PopulusPolls 13s
Firstl Populus VI figures of 2014: Lab 40; Cons 33; LD 11; UKIP 8 (=); Oth 7 Tables http://popu.lu/s_vi140110
Con -2
Lab +3
LD -1
UKIP -1
Weighted UKIP base: 112.
KIppers may just like doing online surveys to bump their VI...
But the weighting is crackers. Though I think there should be some.
Phone pollsters best for UKIP VI.
Then we'll be able to see if prompting for UKIP is a good or bad thing.
Last year, the pollster that was the most accurate in the locals, didn't prompt for UKIP.
Con 31%, Lab 24%, LD 12%, UKIP 22%.
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One of my friends tells me, what she saves in Aldi, she spends in Waitrose.TGOHF said:TheScreamingEagles said:John Lewis claims 'cracking' post-Christmas sales up 23%
Department store reports week to 4 January sales up 23.6% on 2013 to £113.4m while Waitrose enjoyed a 9.3% increase
http://www.theguardian.com/business/2014/jan/10/john-lewis-cracking-post-christmas-sales-waitrose
Tesco and Mozza's loss are Waitrose's gain - no wonder there is a cost of living crisis - we are all buying posher vol au vents....
Another great thing about Sheffield there's both a John Lewis and a Waitrose.0 -
Please can I be the MDP Secretary of State for Defense?Morris_Dancer said:Just a reminder for the sceptics amongst you that whilst UKIP has the admirable policy of wanting to leave the EU, the Morris Dancer Party holds the more robust position of invading France as our main foreign policy priority.
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Get rid of Cameron and Osborne and he probably would.TOPPING said:
ok Samisam said:
Ive seen Nuttall perform better, but the woman (Boniface) next to him was a complete joke.. these media lefties are stuck in the 80s... same old claptrap "My family are descended from immigrants, these people saying we shouldn't have open borders are nasty etc etc "Pulpstar said:I didn't watch the show - am just going by the transcript on
http://www.theguardian.com/politics/blog/2014/jan/09/question-time-with-norman-baker-chuka-umunna-nadine-dorries-paul-nuttall-and-susie-boniface-bbcqt-politics-live-blog
Nuttall seems to have stuck to UKIP lines on stuff, all his positions look perfectly sensible (within the UKIP framework) to me.
Just had a look at Lewisham - the 3 seats there are all Labour safe seats with the Lib Dems in second.
About as far from UKIP fertile territory as you can get ! Perhaps this is why Nuttall didn't look good on the TV...
NO ONE IS SAYING IMMIGRATION SHOULD STOP, WE JUST WANT TO BE ABLE TO CONTROL IT TO ENSURE ONLY THE BEST COME
Actually, Nadine Dorries seemed to speak more coherently on UKIP policies, shame she said vote Conservative at the end of it all!
I'm going to say it. It may sound harsh but we both know it's what you want and for very good reasons.
Come over to us. Come over to the Conservatives.
You are a social conservative, you understand the practicalities of being in government, you believe that all "Big 3" politicians are crooked but have come to realise that there are no easy solutions to the very real economic and social challenges that face the UK now. Labour have proved themselves incompetent and are in denial (albeit with their hearts in the right place) and the LDs have not adjusted to the change from protest party to party in govt.
UKIP for all its +/- 5% who knows perhaps <10% vote share is going to make it harder for the only party able to govern and to rescue the UK to govern and rescue the UK.
And you know that that party is the Conservatives.</p>0 -
I think so, I'll have to check.anotherDave said:
Was that ComRes?TheScreamingEagles said:
The thing I'm most looking forward to see is, if Survation are the most accurate pollster when it comes to the Euros.Pulpstar said:
Unweighted UKIP base: 261.TheScreamingEagles said:
Changes from the last Populus poll of last yearTheScreamingEagles said:Populus @PopulusPolls 13s
Firstl Populus VI figures of 2014: Lab 40; Cons 33; LD 11; UKIP 8 (=); Oth 7 Tables http://popu.lu/s_vi140110
Con -2
Lab +3
LD -1
UKIP -1
Weighted UKIP base: 112.
KIppers may just like doing online surveys to bump their VI...
But the weighting is crackers. Though I think there should be some.
Phone pollsters best for UKIP VI.
Then we'll be able to see if prompting for UKIP is a good or bad thing.
Last year, the pollster that was the most accurate in the locals, didn't prompt for UKIP.
Con 31%, Lab 24%, LD 12%, UKIP 22%.
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Morrisons are great value. Then again I always look for great value. That's why Stan James banned me. And Morrisons probably isn't doing so great.TheScreamingEagles said:
One of my friends tells me, what she saves in Aldi, she spends in Waitrose.TGOHF said:TheScreamingEagles said:John Lewis claims 'cracking' post-Christmas sales up 23%
Department store reports week to 4 January sales up 23.6% on 2013 to £113.4m while Waitrose enjoyed a 9.3% increase
http://www.theguardian.com/business/2014/jan/10/john-lewis-cracking-post-christmas-sales-waitrose
Tesco and Mozza's loss are Waitrose's gain - no wonder there is a cost of living crisis - we are all buying posher vol au vents....
Another great thing about Sheffield there's both a John Lewis and a Waitrose.0 -
I'll vote for that!Morris_Dancer said:Just a reminder for the sceptics amongst you that whilst UKIP has the admirable policy of wanting to leave the EU, the Morris Dancer Party holds the more robust position of invading France as our main foreign policy priority.
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Women's Ashes Test Score in Australia.
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The best thing Morrisons did was move out of Darnall and opened in Catcliffe.Pulpstar said:
Morrisons are great value. Then again I always look for great value. That's why Stan James banned me. And Morrisons probably isn't doing so great.TheScreamingEagles said:
One of my friends tells me, what she saves in Aldi, she spends in Waitrose.TGOHF said:TheScreamingEagles said:John Lewis claims 'cracking' post-Christmas sales up 23%
Department store reports week to 4 January sales up 23.6% on 2013 to £113.4m while Waitrose enjoyed a 9.3% increase
http://www.theguardian.com/business/2014/jan/10/john-lewis-cracking-post-christmas-sales-waitrose
Tesco and Mozza's loss are Waitrose's gain - no wonder there is a cost of living crisis - we are all buying posher vol au vents....
Another great thing about Sheffield there's both a John Lewis and a Waitrose.0 -
Mr. Patrick, I do need to win a General Election first, unfortunately. Or seize power with an unstoppable army of genetically modified superfish...0
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Greggs have reported good numbers btw. So Morrisons problem isn't just about being 'northern'.0
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Well when I become the country's first Directly Elected Tyrant, one of my policies is enforce the Treaty of Troyes, if the French don't agree, we will then invade.Morris_Dancer said:Mr. Patrick, I do need to win a General Election first, unfortunately. Or seize power with an unstoppable army of genetically modified superfish...
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Morrisons problems is that they have no online shopping facilities.Pulpstar said:Greggs have reported good numbers btw. So Morrisons problem isn't just about being 'northern'.
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Haverhill East must have the highest concentration of golf clubs and retired Colonels in the Country.
Perhaps the typical stereotype of aged little Englanders was bunkum all along?
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My French plans included trebuchets and space cannons - but enormohaddock are useful troops too.....Morris_Dancer said:Mr. Patrick, I do need to win a General Election first, unfortunately. Or seize power with an unstoppable army of genetically modified superfish...
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"One of my friends tells me, what she saves in Aldi, she spends in Waitrose."TheScreamingEagles said:
One of my friends tells me, what she saves in Aldi, she spends in Waitrose.TGOHF said:TheScreamingEagles said:John Lewis claims 'cracking' post-Christmas sales up 23%
Department store reports week to 4 January sales up 23.6% on 2013 to £113.4m while Waitrose enjoyed a 9.3% increase
http://www.theguardian.com/business/2014/jan/10/john-lewis-cracking-post-christmas-sales-waitrose
Tesco and Mozza's loss are Waitrose's gain - no wonder there is a cost of living crisis - we are all buying posher vol au vents....
Another great thing about Sheffield there's both a John Lewis and a Waitrose.
That's what I do!!0 -
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That looks like a reversion to the mean of a quirky poll before Christmas. Populus does seem to bounce around more than the others, presumably for methodological reasons - I take it least seriously of all the polls for that reason.TheScreamingEagles said:
Changes from the last Populus poll of last yearTheScreamingEagles said:Populus @PopulusPolls 13s
Firstl Populus VI figures of 2014: Lab 40; Cons 33; LD 11; UKIP 8 (=); Oth 7 Tables http://popu.lu/s_vi140110
Con -2
Lab +3
LD -1
UKIP -1
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Cameron yes - he's a wet. Osborne not so sure - he's Tory I think.Alanbrooke said:
Get rid of Cameron and Osborne and he probably would.TOPPING said:
ok Samisam said:
Ive seen Nuttall perform better, but the woman (Boniface) next to him was a complete joke.. these media lefties are stuck in the 80s... same old claptrap "My family are descended from immigrants, these people saying we shouldn't have open borders are nasty etc etc "Pulpstar said:I didn't watch the show - am just going by the transcript on
http://www.theguardian.com/politics/blog/2014/jan/09/question-time-with-norman-baker-chuka-umunna-nadine-dorries-paul-nuttall-and-susie-boniface-bbcqt-politics-live-blog
Nuttall seems to have stuck to UKIP lines on stuff, all his positions look perfectly sensible (within the UKIP framework) to me.
Just had a look at Lewisham - the 3 seats there are all Labour safe seats with the Lib Dems in second.
About as far from UKIP fertile territory as you can get ! Perhaps this is why Nuttall didn't look good on the TV...
NO ONE IS SAYING IMMIGRATION SHOULD STOP, WE JUST WANT TO BE ABLE TO CONTROL IT TO ENSURE ONLY THE BEST COME
Actually, Nadine Dorries seemed to speak more coherently on UKIP policies, shame she said vote Conservative at the end of it all!
I'm going to say it. It may sound harsh but we both know it's what you want and for very good reasons.
Come over to us. Come over to the Conservatives.
You are a social conservative, you understand the practicalities of being in government, you believe that all "Big 3" politicians are crooked but have come to realise that there are no easy solutions to the very real economic and social challenges that face the UK now. Labour have proved themselves incompetent and are in denial (albeit with their hearts in the right place) and the LDs have not adjusted to the change from protest party to party in govt.
UKIP for all its +/- 5% who knows perhaps <10% vote share is going to make it harder for the only party able to govern and to rescue the UK to govern and rescue the UK.
And you know that that party is the Conservatives.</p>0 -
What is Tesco's excuse ?TheScreamingEagles said:
Morrisons problems is that they have no online shopping facilities.Pulpstar said:Greggs have reported good numbers btw. So Morrisons problem isn't just about being 'northern'.
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Anyone know where Labour are going with this thing about highly-skilled immigrants taking low-skilled jobs?
http://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2014/jan/10/stop-eu-citizens-travelling-uk-work-labour?CMP=twt_gu
Are would-be immigrants going to have to satisfy immigration officers that they're useless cretins with no useful skills?0 -
Wrong strategy, their strategy that has made them the UK's number supermarket, isn't apt in financial straitened times.TGOHF said:
What is Tesco's excuse ?TheScreamingEagles said:
Morrisons problems is that they have no online shopping facilities.Pulpstar said:Greggs have reported good numbers btw. So Morrisons problem isn't just about being 'northern'.
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There's no Aldi round here.isam said:
"One of my friends tells me, what she saves in Aldi, she spends in Waitrose."TheScreamingEagles said:
One of my friends tells me, what she saves in Aldi, she spends in Waitrose.TGOHF said:TheScreamingEagles said:John Lewis claims 'cracking' post-Christmas sales up 23%
Department store reports week to 4 January sales up 23.6% on 2013 to £113.4m while Waitrose enjoyed a 9.3% increase
http://www.theguardian.com/business/2014/jan/10/john-lewis-cracking-post-christmas-sales-waitrose
Tesco and Mozza's loss are Waitrose's gain - no wonder there is a cost of living crisis - we are all buying posher vol au vents....
Another great thing about Sheffield there's both a John Lewis and a Waitrose.
That's what I do!!0 -
Osbornomics is simply Brownomics at half speed - he's useless and clueless. We need a reforming chancellor not a political one. We've had political chancellors since 1997 and it shows in our economic performance.Patrick said:
Cameron yes - he's a wet. Osborne not so sure - he's Tory I think.Alanbrooke said:
Get rid of Cameron and Osborne and he probably would.TOPPING said:
ok Samisam said:
Ive seen Nuttall perform better, but the woman (Boniface) next to him was a complete joke.. these media lefties are stuck in the 80s... same old claptrap "My family are descended from immigrants, these people saying we shouldn't have open borders are nasty etc etc "Pulpstar said:I didn't watch the show - am just going by the transcript on
http://www.theguardian.com/politics/blog/2014/jan/09/question-time-with-norman-baker-chuka-umunna-nadine-dorries-paul-nuttall-and-susie-boniface-bbcqt-politics-live-blog
Nuttall seems to have stuck to UKIP lines on stuff, all his positions look perfectly sensible (within the UKIP framework) to me.
Just had a look at Lewisham - the 3 seats there are all Labour safe seats with the Lib Dems in second.
About as far from UKIP fertile territory as you can get ! Perhaps this is why Nuttall didn't look good on the TV...
NO ONE IS SAYING IMMIGRATION SHOULD STOP, WE JUST WANT TO BE ABLE TO CONTROL IT TO ENSURE ONLY THE BEST COME
Actually, Nadine Dorries seemed to speak more coherently on UKIP policies, shame she said vote Conservative at the end of it all!
I'm going to say it. It may sound harsh but we both know it's what you want and for very good reasons.
Come over to us. Come over to the Conservatives.
You are a social conservative, you understand the practicalities of being in government, you believe that all "Big 3" politicians are crooked but have come to realise that there are no easy solutions to the very real economic and social challenges that face the UK now. Labour have proved themselves incompetent and are in denial (albeit with their hearts in the right place) and the LDs have not adjusted to the change from protest party to party in govt.
UKIP for all its +/- 5% who knows perhaps <10% vote share is going to make it harder for the only party able to govern and to rescue the UK to govern and rescue the UK.
And you know that that party is the Conservatives.</p>0 -
They just need some anti-EU lines for the Euro elections in May. So, nowhere.edmundintokyo said:Anyone know where Labour are going with this thing about highly-skilled immigrants taking low-skilled jobs?
http://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2014/jan/10/stop-eu-citizens-travelling-uk-work-labour?CMP=twt_gu
Are would-be immigrants going to have to satisfy immigration officers that they're useless cretins with no useful skills?
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Probably to where they should have been in 2000. 14 years late but they're slow learners.edmundintokyo said:Anyone know where Labour are going with this thing about highly-skilled immigrants taking low-skilled jobs?
http://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2014/jan/10/stop-eu-citizens-travelling-uk-work-labour?CMP=twt_gu
Are would-be immigrants going to have to satisfy immigration officers that they're useless cretins with no useful skills?0 -
If I was Farage at this point I'd start making up joke policies like deploying squadrons of badgers to protect the borders and see which of the main parties I could get to adopt them.0
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We will never know what budgets GO would have proposed if there had been a Con majority.Alanbrooke said:
Osbornomics is simply Brownomics at half speed - he's useless and clueless. We need a reforming chancellor not a political one. We've had political chancellors since 1997 and it shows in our economic performance.Patrick said:
Cameron yes - he's a wet. Osborne not so sure - he's Tory I think.Alanbrooke said:
Get rid of Cameron and Osborne and he probably would.TOPPING said:
ok Samisam said:
Ive seen Nuttall perform better, but the woman (Boniface) next to him was a complete joke.. these media lefties are stuck in the 80s... same old claptrap "My family are descended from immigrants, these people saying we shouldn't have open borders are nasty etc etc "Pulpstar said:I didn't watch the show - am just going by the transcript on
http://www.theguardian.com/politics/blog/2014/jan/09/question-time-with-norman-baker-chuka-umunna-nadine-dorries-paul-nuttall-and-susie-boniface-bbcqt-politics-live-blog
Nuttall seems to have stuck to UKIP lines on stuff, all his positions look perfectly sensible (within the UKIP framework) to me.
Just had a look at Lewisham - the 3 seats there are all Labour safe seats with the Lib Dems in second.
About as far from UKIP fertile territory as you can get ! Perhaps this is why Nuttall didn't look good on the TV...
NO ONE IS SAYING IMMIGRATION SHOULD STOP, WE JUST WANT TO BE ABLE TO CONTROL IT TO ENSURE ONLY THE BEST COME
Actually, Nadine Dorries seemed to speak more coherently on UKIP policies, shame she said vote Conservative at the end of it all!
I'm going to say it. It may sound harsh but we both know it's what you want and for very good reasons.
Come over to us. Come over to the Conservatives.
You are a social conservative, you understand the practicalities of being in government, you believe that all "Big 3" politicians are crooked but have come to realise that there are no easy solutions to the very real economic and social challenges that face the UK now. Labour have proved themselves incompetent and are in denial (albeit with their hearts in the right place) and the LDs have not adjusted to the change from protest party to party in govt.
UKIP for all its +/- 5% who knows perhaps <10% vote share is going to make it harder for the only party able to govern and to rescue the UK to govern and rescue the UK.
And you know that that party is the Conservatives.</p>0 -
You don't want badgers, they will move the goalposts...edmundintokyo said:If I was Farage at this point I'd start making up joke policies like deploying squadrons of badgers to protect the borders and see which of the main parties I could get to adopt them.
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Who'd a thunk it ... Plebgate copper pleads guilty0
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Agree, I've noticed with Populus that the Lib Dem and UKIP numbers are generally stable, but there's more volatility on the Con and Lab shares.NickPalmer said:
That looks like a reversion to the mean of a quirky poll before Christmas. Populus does seem to bounce around more than the others, presumably for methodological reasons - I take it least seriously of all the polls for that reason.TheScreamingEagles said:
Changes from the last Populus poll of last yearTheScreamingEagles said:Populus @PopulusPolls 13s
Firstl Populus VI figures of 2014: Lab 40; Cons 33; LD 11; UKIP 8 (=); Oth 7 Tables http://popu.lu/s_vi140110
Con -2
Lab +3
LD -1
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I doubt they'd be that much different than what we have now.TGOHF said:
We will never know what budgets GO would have proposed if there had been a Con majority.Alanbrooke said:
Osbornomics is simply Brownomics at half speed - he's useless and clueless. We need a reforming chancellor not a political one. We've had political chancellors since 1997 and it shows in our economic performance.Patrick said:
Cameron yes - he's a wet. Osborne not so sure - he's Tory I think.Alanbrooke said:
Get rid of Cameron and Osborne and he probably would.TOPPING said:
ok Samisam said:
Ive seen Nuttall perform better, but the woman (Boniface) next to him was a complete joke.. these media lefties are stuck in the 80s... same old claptrap "My family are descended from immigrants, these people saying we shouldn't have open borders are nasty etc etc "Pulpstar said:I didn't watch the show - am just going by the transcript on
http://www.theguardian.com/politics/blog/2014/jan/09/question-time-with-norman-baker-chuka-umunna-nadine-dorries-paul-nuttall-and-susie-boniface-bbcqt-politics-live-blog
Nuttall seems to have stuck to UKIP lines on stuff, all his positions look perfectly sensible (within the UKIP framework) to me.
Just had a look at Lewisham - the 3 seats there are all Labour safe seats with the Lib Dems in second.
About as far from UKIP fertile territory as you can get ! Perhaps this is why Nuttall didn't look good on the TV...
NO ONE IS SAYING IMMIGRATION SHOULD STOP, WE JUST WANT TO BE ABLE TO CONTROL IT TO ENSURE ONLY THE BEST COME
Actually, Nadine Dorries seemed to speak more coherently on UKIP policies, shame she said vote Conservative at the end of it all!
I'm going to say it. It may sound harsh but we both know it's what you want and for very good reasons.
Come over to us. Come over to the Conservatives.
You are a social conservative, you understand the practicalities of being in government, you
UKIP for all its +/- 5% who knows perhaps <10% vote share is going to make it harder for the only party able to govern and to rescue the UK to govern and rescue the UK.
And you know that that party is the Conservatives.</p>
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It seems both weirdly niche - there's probably less high skilled EU migrants taking low skilled jobs than than EU migrants claiming benefits - and also obviously creating weird incentives. It also doesn't chime with his other sentence "On low-skill immigration we believe there was too much of it from the EU". I think Chukka Umunna is generally a pretty intelligent guy who knows his stuff, so I assume he just flubbed his lines as he tried to having something to say in an area where Labour are without policies.edmundintokyo said:Anyone know where Labour are going with this thing about highly-skilled immigrants taking low-skilled jobs?
http://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2014/jan/10/stop-eu-citizens-travelling-uk-work-labour?CMP=twt_gu
Are would-be immigrants going to have to satisfy immigration officers that they're useless cretins with no useful skills?
EDIT: Having looked at this more closely, Umunna just seems to be saying it was a problem, not that they should be banned from doing it. Just the Guardian being useless at reporting again, I guess.0 -
Free school meals ? Nah..Alanbrooke said:
I doubt they'd be that much different than what we have now.TGOHF said:
We will never know what budgets GO would have proposed if there had been a Con majority.Alanbrooke said:
Osbornomics is simply Brownomics at half speed - he's useless and clueless. We need a reforming chancellor not a political one. We've had political chancellors since 1997 and it shows in our economic performance.Patrick said:
Cameron yes - he's a wet. Osborne not so sure - he's Tory I think.Alanbrooke said:
Get rid of Cameron and Osborne and he probably would.TOPPING said:
ok Samisam said:
Ive seen Nuttall perform better, but the woman (Boniface) next to him was a complete joke.. these media lefties are stuck in the 80s... same old claptrap "My family are descended from immigrants, these people saying we shouldn't have open borders are nasty etc etc "Pulpstar said:I didn't watch the show - am just going by the transcript on
http://www.theguardian.com/politics/blog/2014/jan/09/question-time-with-norman-baker-chuka-umunna-nadine-dorries-paul-nuttall-and-susie-boniface-bbcqt-politics-live-blog
Nuttall seems to have stuck to UKIP lines on stuff, all his positions look perfectly sensible (within the UKIP framework) to me.
Just had a look at Lewisham - the 3 seats there are all Labour safe seats with the Lib Dems in second.
About as far from UKIP fertile territory as you can get ! Perhaps this is why Nuttall didn't look good on the TV...
NO ONE IS SAYING IMMIGRATION SHOULD STOP, WE JUST WANT TO BE ABLE TO CONTROL IT TO ENSURE ONLY THE BEST COME
Actually, Nadine Dorries seemed to speak more coherently on UKIP policies, shame she said vote Conservative at the end of it all!
I'm going to say it. It may sound harsh but we both know it's what you want and for very good reasons.
Come over to us. Come over to the Conservatives.
You are a social conservative, you understand the practicalities of being in government, you
UKIP for all its +/- 5% who knows perhaps <10% vote share is going to make it harder for the only party able to govern and to rescue the UK to govern and rescue the UK.
And you know that that party is the Conservatives.</p>0 -
Plebgate row: police officer pleads guilty
Keith Wallis admits wrongly claiming to have witnessed argument between Andrew Mitchell and Downing Street officers
http://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2014/jan/10/plebgate-row-police-officer-pleads-guilty0 -
England 201 all out scoring at 2.2/over ?! on the WACA. Sounds like it was absolute tripe to watch.0
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There already is a party that caters for working class social conservatives, and I am a member of it!Alanbrooke said:
Get rid of Cameron and Osborne and he probably would.TOPPING said:
ok Samisam said:
Ive seen Nuttall perform better, but the woman (Boniface) next to him was a complete joke.. these media lefties are stuck in the 80s... same old claptrap "My family are descended from immigrants, these people saying we shouldn't have open borders are nasty etc etc "Pulpstar said:I didn't watch the show - am just going by the transcript on
http://www.theguardian.com/politics/blog/2014/jan/09/question-time-with-norman-baker-chuka-umunna-nadine-dorries-paul-nuttall-and-susie-boniface-bbcqt-politics-live-blog
Nuttall seems to have stuck to UKIP lines on stuff, all his positions look perfectly sensible (within the UKIP framework) to me.
Just had a look at Lewisham - the 3 seats there are all Labour safe seats with the Lib Dems in second.
About as far from UKIP fertile territory as you can get ! Perhaps this is why Nuttall didn't look good on the TV...
NO ONE IS SAYING IMMIGRATION SHOULD STOP, WE JUST WANT TO BE ABLE TO CONTROL IT TO ENSURE ONLY THE BEST COME
Actually, Nadine Dorries seemed to speak more coherently on UKIP policies, shame she said vote Conservative at the end of it all!
I'm going to say it. It may sound harsh but we both know it's what you want and for very good reasons.
Come over to us. Come over to the Conservatives.
You are a social conservative, you understand the practicalities of being in government, you believe that all "Big 3" politicians are crooked but have come to realise that there are no easy solutions to the very real economic and social challenges that face the UK now. Labour have proved themselves incompetent and are in denial (albeit with their hearts in the right place) and the LDs have not adjusted to the change from protest party to party in govt.
UKIP for all its +/- 5% who knows perhaps <10% vote share is going to make it harder for the only party able to govern and to rescue the UK to govern and rescue the UK.
And you know that that party is the Conservatives.</p>0 -
Populous is another concerning poll for the Conservatives. I have a theory that if Labour says or does nothing at all for 16 months it will win at a canter. The Generation X leftie coalition is too strong.0
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USA - Christie
"The daughter of the 91-year-old woman who died as first responders were delayed due to traffic on the George Washington Bridge said the lane closures were not responsible for her death."
http://www.nationalreview.com/corner/368058/woman-says-bridge-closure-not-blame-91-year-old-mothers-death-andrew-johnson0 -
Yes we do. But the country didn't want one and quite frankly, no matter how necessary, there is no way an incoming CoE would have driven the UK car off the cliff to rebase asset prices and debt levels.Alanbrooke said:
We need a reforming chancellor not a political one.Patrick said:
Cameron yes - he's a wet. Osborne not so sure - he's Tory I think.Alanbrooke said:
Get rid of Cameron and Osborne and he probably would.TOPPING said:
ok Samisam said:
Ive seen Nuttall perform better, but the woman (Boniface) next to him was a complete joke.. these media lefties are stuck in the 80s... same old claptrap "My family are descended from immigrants, these people saying we shouldn't have open borders are nasty etc etc "Pulpstar said:I didn't watch the show - am just going by the transcript on
http://www.theguardian.com/politics/blog/2014/jan/09/question-time-with-norman-baker-chuka-umunna-nadine-dorries-paul-nuttall-and-susie-boniface-bbcqt-politics-live-blog
Nuttall seems to have stuck to UKIP lines on stuff, all his positions look perfectly sensible (within the UKIP framework) to me.
Just had a look at Lewisham - the 3 seats there are all Labour safe seats with the Lib Dems in second.
About as far from UKIP fertile territory as you can get ! Perhaps this is why Nuttall didn't look good on the TV...
NO ONE IS SAYING IMMIGRATION SHOULD STOP, WE JUST WANT TO BE ABLE TO CONTROL IT TO ENSURE ONLY THE BEST COME
Actually, Nadine Dorries seemed to speak more coherently on UKIP policies, shame she said vote Conservative at the end of it all!
I'm going to say it. It may sound harsh but we both know it's what you want and for very good reasons.
Come over to us. Come over to the Conservatives.
You are a social conservative, you understand the practicalities of being in government, you believe that all "Big 3" politicians are crooked but have come to realise that there are no easy solutions to the very real economic and social challenges that face the UK now. Labour have proved themselves incompetent and are in denial (albeit with their hearts in the right place) and the LDs have not adjusted to the change from protest party to party in govt.
UKIP for all its +/- 5% who knows perhaps <10% vote share is going to make it harder for the only party able to govern and to rescue the UK to govern and rescue the UK.
And you know that that party is the Conservatives.</p>0 -
Hollande using the law to silence the press? I'll sue and I'll sue until I am sick.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-25679146
Perhaps the president of restricted growth wanted to follow the example of President Felix Faure who at least died as a result of over excitement.
http://preview.tinyurl.com/4tue6dc0 -
Women's cricket is a bit dire, this isn't sexist, but women lack the upper body strength to play big shots, and hit the boundaries.Pulpstar said:England 201 all out scoring at 2.2/over ?! on the WACA. Sounds like it was absolute tripe to watch.
That's why in women's limited over matches, the boundaries are brought in about 30 yards further in than they would for a men's match.
I noticed this a few years ago, when I went to an England t20 match, and the ladies match preceded the men's match.0 -
Oh there'd be the usual eye catching political gimmicks. We'd probably have a 40% tax rate not 45%, a bit harder on some benefits some daft tax break for touchy feely things. But over all the shape of the numbers would be the same and job of economic reform would still be sat in his in-tray. He's a waste of space.TGOHF said:
Free school meals ? Nah..Alanbrooke said:
I doubt they'd be that much different than what we have now.TGOHF said:
We will never know what budgets GO would have proposed if there had been a Con majority.Alanbrooke said:
Osbornomics is simply Brownomics at half speed - he's useless and clueless. We need a reforming chancellor not a political one. We've had political chancellors since 1997 and it shows in our economic performance.Patrick said:
Cameron yes - he's a wet. Osborne not so sure - he's Tory I think.Alanbrooke said:
Get rid of Cameron and Osborne and he probably would.TOPPING said:
ok Samisam said:
Ive seen Nuttall perform better, buasty etc etc "Pulpstar said:I didn't watch the show - am just going by the transcript on
http://www.theguardian.com/politics/blog/2014/jan/09/question-time-with-norman-baker-chuka-umunna-nadine-dorries-paul-nuttall-and-susie-boniface-bbcqt-politics-live-blog
Nuttall seems to have stuck to UKIP lines on stuff, all his positions look perfectly sensible (within the UKIP framework) to me.
Just had a look at Lewisham - the 3 seats there are all Labour safe seats with the Lib Dems in second.
About as far from UKIP fertile territory as you can get ! Perhaps this is why Nuttall didn't look good on the TV...
NO ONE IS SAYING IMMIGRATION SHOULD STOP, WE JUST WANT TO BE ABLE TO CONTROL IT TO ENSURE ONLY THE BEST COME
Actually, Nadine Dorries seemed to speak more coherently on UKIP policies, shame she said vote Conservative at the end of it all!
I'm going to say it. It may sound harsh but we both know it's what you want and for very good reasons.
And you know that that party is the Conservatives.0 -
Labour's biggest danger is indeed that they do say stuff !TheLastBoyScout said:Populous is another concerning poll for the Conservatives. I have a theory that if Labour says or does nothing at all for 16 months it will win at a canter. The Generation X leftie coalition is too strong.
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That's the idea, keeps the immigrants guessing.Lennon said:
You don't want badgers, they will move the goalposts...edmundintokyo said:If I was Farage at this point I'd start making up joke policies like deploying squadrons of badgers to protect the borders and see which of the main parties I could get to adopt them.
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Raheem Kassam @RaheemJKassam 22h
The best summary of the immigration debate I’ve seen to date:
pic.twitter.com/vEowbwSpCo0 -
True, but in what position? It can't really be one where he's expected to work with the police, ruling out much of the Home Office. Preferably, it should also be somewhere where other major interest groups won't complain about getting a 'discredited' minister. Cameron also needs to have a cabinet minister he can dispose of without creating more problems, though Mitchell doesn't have to replace them directly.TheScreamingEagles said:Well Andrew Mitchell's chances of coming back to the cabinet has received a bit of a boost
Given all this, if Mitchell returns to the Cabinet, which positions would be good bets for him to get?0 -
That 'gimmick' is saving my colleague ~£700 a year I think. She is a 2010 LD sticking with them for that reason. Anecdotal yes but that policy is a good one to get a few parents of young kid's votes.Alanbrooke said:
Oh there'd be the usual eye catching political gimmicks. We'd probably have a 40% tax rate not 45%, a bit harder on some benefits some daft tax break for touchy feely things. But over all the shape of the numbers would be the same and job of economic reform would still be sat in his in-tray. He's a waste of space.TGOHF said:
Free school meals ? Nah..Alanbrooke said:
I doubt they'd be that much different than what we have now.TGOHF said:
We will never know what budgets GO would have proposed if there had been a Con majority.Alanbrooke said:
Osbornomics is simply Brownomics at half speed - he's useless and clueless. We need a reforming chancellor not a political one. We've had political chancellors since 1997 and it shows in our economic performance.Patrick said:
Cameron yes - he's a wet. Osborne not so sure - he's Tory I think.Alanbrooke said:
Get rid of Cameron and Osborne and he probably would.TOPPING said:
ok Samisam said:
Ive seen Nuttall perform better, buasty etc etc "Pulpstar said:I didn't watch the show - am just going by the transcript on
http://www.theguardian.com/politics/blog/2014/jan/09/question-time-with-norman-baker-chuka-umunna-nadine-dorries-paul-nuttall-and-susie-boniface-bbcqt-politics-live-blog
Nuttall seems to have stuck to UKIP lines on stuff, all his positions look perfectly sensible (within the UKIP framework) to me.
Just had a look at Lewisham - the 3 seats there are all Labour safe seats with the Lib Dems in second.
About as far from UKIP fertile territory as you can get ! Perhaps this is why Nuttall didn't look good on the TV...
NO ONE IS SAYING IMMIGRATION SHOULD STOP, WE JUST WANT TO BE ABLE TO CONTROL IT TO ENSURE ONLY THE BEST COME
Actually, Nadine Dorries seemed to speak more coherently on UKIP policies, shame she said vote Conservative at the end of it all!
I'm going to say it. It may sound harsh but we both know it's what you want and for very good reasons.
And you know that that party is the Conservatives.0 -
People here say Nuttall was rubbish, but he was the victim of a classic BBC QT ambush last night. At some point it probably occurred to him the audience was stacked full of NHS pilgrims and other inner city labour types.
Surely the fact it was held in Lewisham of all places (just after the Duggan verdict, coincidentally) would have been a clue. He should have left well alone.
Opinions that we are finding are mainstream in many parts of the country were greeted with stony silence.
Dimbleby's smirk said it all.0 -
just the usual cameroon defensive nonsense to hide the issue of Osborne not having a clue. It's not a question of what the country wants it's what it can do. Osborne had a chance to push through reform in 2010 and 2011 when the electorate were primed for change. He bottled it and declared job done. He called it wrong.TOPPING said:
Yes we do. But the country didn't want one and quite frankly, no matter how necessary, there is no way an incoming CoE would have driven the UK car off the cliff to rebase asset prices and debt levels.Alanbrooke said:
We need a reforming chancellor not a political one.Patrick said:
Cameron yes - he's a wet. Osborne not so sure - he's Tory I think.Alanbrooke said:
Get rid of Cameron and Osborne and he probably would.TOPPING said:
ok Samisam said:
Ive seen Nuttall perform better, but the woman (Boniface) next to him was a complete joke.. these media lefties are stuck in the 80s... same old claptrap "My family are descended from immigrants, these people saying we shouldn't have open borders are nasty etc etc "Pulpstar said:I didn't watch the show - am just going by the transcript on
http://www.theguardian.com/politics/blog/2014/jan/09/question-time-with-norman-baker-chuka-umunna-nadine-dorries-paul-nuttall-and-susie-boniface-bbcqt-politics-live-blog
Nuttall seems to have stuck to UKIP lines on stuff, all his positions look perfectly sensible (within the UKIP framework) to me.
Just had a look at Lewisham - the 3 seats there are all Labour safe seats with the Lib Dems in second.
About as far from UKIP fertile territory as you can get ! Perhaps this is why Nuttall didn't look good on the TV...
NO ONE IS SAYING IMMIGRATION SHOULD STOP, WE JUST WANT TO BE ABLE TO CONTROL IT TO ENSURE ONLY THE BEST COME
Actually, Nadine Dorries seemed to speak more coherently on UKIP policies, shame she said vote Conservative at the end of it all!
I'm going to say it. It may sound harsh but we both know it's what you want and for very good reasons.
Come over to us. Come over to the Conservatives.
And you know that that party is the Conservatives.0 -
One thing I instinctively disagreed with Paul Nuttall on last night was this request for policeman to wear cameras to check they don't shoot unarmed people...
Isn't this like setting the field for bad bowling at the start of a test match? Surely the Police interview process should weed out the type of person who cant be trusted with a gun?0 -
Foreign Secretary, this is nothing to do with the fact I hold a betting slip with Andrew Mitchell as next Foreign secretary at 16/1Robert_Of_Sheffield said:
True, but in what position? It can't really be one where he's expected to work with the police, ruling out much of the Home Office. Preferably, it should also be somewhere where other major interest groups won't complain about getting a 'discredited' minister. Cameron also needs to have a cabinet minister he can dispose of without creating more problems, though Mitchell doesn't have to replace them directly.TheScreamingEagles said:Well Andrew Mitchell's chances of coming back to the cabinet has received a bit of a boost
Given all this, if Mitchell returns to the Cabinet, which positions would be good bets for him to get?
http://www1.politicalbetting.com/index.php/archives/2013/09/02/the-next-foreign-secretary-betting/0 -
South Park had it right (not necessarily safe for work):TheScreamingEagles said:Raheem Kassam @RaheemJKassam 22h
The best summary of the immigration debate I’ve seen to date:
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Thanks, makes sense.Socrates said:
It seems both weirdly niche - there's probably less high skilled EU migrants taking low skilled jobs than than EU migrants claiming benefits - and also obviously creating weird incentives. It also doesn't chime with his other sentence "On low-skill immigration we believe there was too much of it from the EU". I think Chukka Umunna is generally a pretty intelligent guy who knows his stuff, so I assume he just flubbed his lines as he tried to having something to say in an area where Labour are without policies.edmundintokyo said:Anyone know where Labour are going with this thing about highly-skilled immigrants taking low-skilled jobs?
http://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2014/jan/10/stop-eu-citizens-travelling-uk-work-labour?CMP=twt_gu
Are would-be immigrants going to have to satisfy immigration officers that they're useless cretins with no useful skills?
EDIT: Having looked at this more closely, Umunna just seems to be saying it was a problem, not that they should be banned from doing it. Just the Guardian being useless at reporting again, I guess.0 -
No. Labour are saying they want to reform freedom of movement to be freedom to work, i.e. You can only come to another EU country if you have a job lined up.Socrates said:
It seems both weirdly niche - there's probably less high skilled EU migrants taking low skilled jobs than than EU migrants claiming benefits - and also obviously creating weird incentives. It also doesn't chime with his other sentence "On low-skill immigration we believe there was too much of it from the EU". I think Chukka Umunna is generally a pretty intelligent guy who knows his stuff, so I assume he just flubbed his lines as he tried to having something to say in an area where Labour are without policies.edmundintokyo said:Anyone know where Labour are going with this thing about highly-skilled immigrants taking low-skilled jobs?
http://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2014/jan/10/stop-eu-citizens-travelling-uk-work-labour?CMP=twt_gu
Are would-be immigrants going to have to satisfy immigration officers that they're useless cretins with no useful skills?
EDIT: Having looked at this more closely, Umunna just seems to be saying it was a problem, not that they should be banned from doing it. Just the Guardian being useless at reporting again, I guess.
http://blogs.spectator.co.uk/coffeehouse/2014/01/will-peers-decide-to-letbritaindecide/
It's just a line.
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It's just a line.
You call it a line. I call it a whiff of panic0 -
Have to disagree with you here Sam, as soon as a copper shoots anyone there is immediately a clamour to proclaim him/her as a murderer. The police need as much help as they can get in today's society. I wish it weren't so but it is the reality.isam said:One thing I instinctively disagreed with Paul Nuttall on last night was this request for policeman to wear cameras to check they don't shoot unarmed people...
Isn't this like setting the field for bad bowling at the start of a test match? Surely the Police interview process should weed out the type of person who cant be trusted with a gun?0 -
No interview process is perfect, and in any big organization you're going to have a fair few people who can't be trusted.isam said:One thing I instinctively disagreed with Paul Nuttall on last night was this request for policeman to wear cameras to check they don't shoot unarmed people...
Isn't this like setting the field for bad bowling at the start of a test match? Surely the Police interview process should weed out the type of person who cant be trusted with a gun?0 -
''Surely the Police interview process should weed out the type of person who cant be trusted with a gun?''
Nuttall was ambushed mate. Of course he was.
But you have a point. A jury decided that there was nothing wrong with what happened. Why the f8ck should we change these procedures??0 -
2/09/2013 Single To Win Andrew Mitchell @ 16/1TheScreamingEagles said:
Foreign Secretary, this is nothing to do with the fact I hold a betting slip with Andrew Mitchell as next Foreign secretary at 16/1Robert_Of_Sheffield said:
True, but in what position? It can't really be one where he's expected to work with the police, ruling out much of the Home Office. Preferably, it should also be somewhere where other major interest groups won't complain about getting a 'discredited' minister. Cameron also needs to have a cabinet minister he can dispose of without creating more problems, though Mitchell doesn't have to replace them directly.TheScreamingEagles said:Well Andrew Mitchell's chances of coming back to the cabinet has received a bit of a boost
Given all this, if Mitchell returns to the Cabinet, which positions would be good bets for him to get?
http://www1.politicalbetting.com/index.php/archives/2013/09/02/the-next-foreign-secretary-betting/
Next Foreign Secretary
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Plus they can turn the daily footage into a copper reality show, and become self-funding!Pulpstar said:
Have to disagree with you here Sam, as soon as a copper shoots anyone there is immediately a clamour to proclaim him/her as a murderer. The police need as much help as they can get in today's society. I wish it weren't so but it is the reality.isam said:One thing I instinctively disagreed with Paul Nuttall on last night was this request for policeman to wear cameras to check they don't shoot unarmed people...
Isn't this like setting the field for bad bowling at the start of a test match? Surely the Police interview process should weed out the type of person who cant be trusted with a gun?
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@Pulpstar
if you're referring to school meals it was Sir H who said Osborne wouldn't intoduce them. Personally I'm for anything which lifts lower incomes out of tax and have consistently said the LDs had the best policy on personal tax in 2010, which is why Osborne's cherry picking their ideas.
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The Independent has a stunning story about Scotland Yard under Labour.
''Tough on crime....tough on the causes of crime....''0 -
@AnotherDave
It might stop those living outside around Marble Arch from being able to come here, which would be a plus.0 -
The guilty plea in Plebgate is big news. Whether or not it's correct, it will be interpreted as vindication for Andrew Mitchell.0
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Sorry but I have to disagree with you. One could have said exactly the same thing about police interviewing suspects after arrest which used to be done without recording and which was very liable to corruption and 'adjustment ' or 'clarification'.isam said:One thing I instinctively disagreed with Paul Nuttall on last night was this request for policeman to wear cameras to check they don't shoot unarmed people...
Isn't this like setting the field for bad bowling at the start of a test match? Surely the Police interview process should weed out the type of person who cant be trusted with a gun?
When someone has that amount of power and cannot be absolutely trusted (as the police certainly cannot by now) it is necessary to make use of whatever technology is available to keep them on the straight and narrow.0
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