Firstl Populus VI figures of 2014: Lab 40; Cons 33; LD 11; UKIP 8 (=); Oth 7 Tables http://popu.lu/s_vi140110
Changes from the last Populus poll of last year
Con -2
Lab +3
LD -1
UKIP -1
So UKIP just took 54% in a council by-election with a massive swing and we're supposed to believe that they're down 1% on a year ago in the Populus poll.
I appreciate this was in the UKIP heartland, but their vote is noticeably up all around England and Wales in recent by-elections. These polls are fast losing credibility with me to be honest.
Firstl Populus VI figures of 2014: Lab 40; Cons 33; LD 11; UKIP 8 (=); Oth 7 Tables http://popu.lu/s_vi140110
Changes from the last Populus poll of last year
Con -2
Lab +3
LD -1
UKIP -1
So UKIP just took 54% in a council by-election with a massive swing and we're supposed to believe that they're down 1% on a year ago in the Populus poll.
I appreciate this was in the UKIP heartland, but their vote is noticeably up all around England and Wales in recent by-elections. These polls are fast losing credibility with me to be honest.
No it's the last poll of 2013, ie the one conducted in December 2013
Firstl Populus VI figures of 2014: Lab 40; Cons 33; LD 11; UKIP 8 (=); Oth 7 Tables http://popu.lu/s_vi140110
Changes from the last Populus poll of last year
Con -2
Lab +3
LD -1
UKIP -1
So UKIP just took 54% in a council by-election with a massive swing and we're supposed to believe that they're down 1% on a year ago in the Populus poll.
I appreciate this was in the UKIP heartland, but their vote is noticeably up all around England and Wales in recent by-elections. These polls are fast losing credibility with me to be honest.
No it's the last poll of 2013, ie the one conducted in December 2013
Anyway, the deranged rambling of meddlesome, power-hungry foreign bureaucrats doesn't really alter much for me. I was planning on voting UKIP in the euros, and still am.
Firstl Populus VI figures of 2014: Lab 40; Cons 33; LD 11; UKIP 8 (=); Oth 7 Tables http://popu.lu/s_vi140110
Changes from the last Populus poll of last year
Con -2
Lab +3
LD -1
UKIP -1
So UKIP just took 54% in a council by-election with a massive swing and we're supposed to believe that they're down 1% on a year ago in the Populus poll.
I appreciate this was in the UKIP heartland, but their vote is noticeably up all around England and Wales in recent by-elections. These polls are fast losing credibility with me to be honest.
UKIP took 54% of the vote in an election with a turnout of 18% . VI polls are based on a turnout of 60 - 70 %
Luxemburg federalists always amuse me. Take away the national borders and what's the point of Luxemburg ?
It exists primarily as a place for tax-dodging Germans and multinats to park their profits. Remove the borders and it quickly goes back to being a Ruritanian backwater.
UK industrial production ouput flat while construction output falls 09.32 Britain's industrial production was flat between October and November, latest ONS figures have shown. Economists had expected a 0.4pc rise. In a separate report, the ONS said that the UK's construction output had fallen 4pc in November. That compares with analyst predictions of a 0.8pc rise.
Anyway, the deranged rambling of meddlesome, power-hungry foreign bureaucrats doesn't really alter much for me. I was planning on voting UKIP in the euros, and still am.
Please note the name of this operation.
Organised criminals were able to infiltrate Scotland Yard “at will” by bribing corrupt officers, according to an explosive report leaked to The Independent. The Metropolitan Police file, written in 2002, found Britain’s biggest force suffered “endemic corruption” at the time.
Operation Tiberius concluded that syndicates such as the notorious Adams family and the gang led by David Hunt had bribed scores of former and then-serving detectives to access confidential databases; obtain live intelligence on criminal investigations; provide specialist knowledge of surveillance, technical deployment and undercover techniques to help evade prosecution; and even take part in criminal acts such as mass drug importation and money laundering.
Firstl Populus VI figures of 2014: Lab 40; Cons 33; LD 11; UKIP 8 (=); Oth 7 Tables http://popu.lu/s_vi140110
Changes from the last Populus poll of last year
Con -2
Lab +3
LD -1
UKIP -1
Yes, Populus still in the dark ages. I wonder when they will wake up and see that their methodology is bollocks and sack their CEO?
If you compare the yougov on the day to the actual results in every by election since UKIP were included in the daily VI, the worst they have done is to beat it by 1.8
Eastleigh YG 11% Actual 27.8% Rotherham YG 10% Actual 21.8% ( Opinium 13%) Corby YG 9% Actual 14.3% (Opinium 10%) Middlesbrough YG 10% Actual 11.8% (Opinium 13%) South Shields YG 10% Actual 24% (Opinium 17%)
UK industrial production ouput flat while construction output falls 09.32 Britain's industrial production was flat between October and November, latest ONS figures have shown. Economists had expected a 0.4pc rise. In a separate report, the ONS said that the UK's construction output had fallen 4pc in November. That compares with analyst predictions of a 0.8pc rise.
Is that the initial estimate or the revised ? The first ones are usually as was of paper.
UK industrial production ouput flat while construction output falls 09.32 Britain's industrial production was flat between October and November, latest ONS figures have shown. Economists had expected a 0.4pc rise. In a separate report, the ONS said that the UK's construction output had fallen 4pc in November. That compares with analyst predictions of a 0.8pc rise.
I'm sure Avery LP will tell us how it is all part of the Osborn master plan !
Firstl Populus VI figures of 2014: Lab 40; Cons 33; LD 11; UKIP 8 (=); Oth 7 Tables http://popu.lu/s_vi140110
Changes from the last Populus poll of last year
Con -2
Lab +3
LD -1
UKIP -1
So UKIP just took 54% in a council by-election with a massive swing and we're supposed to believe that they're down 1% on a year ago in the Populus poll.
I appreciate this was in the UKIP heartland, but their vote is noticeably up all around England and Wales in recent by-elections. These polls are fast losing credibility with me to be honest.
UKIP took 54% of the vote in an election with a turnout of 18% . VI polls are based on a turnout of 60 - 70 %
GE voter turn outs have been much lower than 60/70% in recent decades. Mind you, enthusiasm for UKIP may bring out a bigger percentage this time.
The question is probably what Viviane Reding is playing at, not what The EU Commission is playing at. Two explanations: 1) She's about to finish her second term, has no particular next job to go to, and being a generally outspoken person she's saying what she thinks. 2) She's running for the EPP nomination for Commission president, and thinks it will help her to voice what members of the other mainstream parties are thinking and raise her profile in the process.
Anyway, the deranged rambling of meddlesome, power-hungry foreign bureaucrats doesn't really alter much for me. I was planning on voting UKIP in the euros, and still am.
I'm trying to work our if Reding is making a robust defence of the EU and all its works or is pushing hard to get the UK out so she and her mates can create Paneuropa.
Just a reminder for the sceptics amongst you that whilst UKIP has the admirable policy of wanting to leave the EU, the Morris Dancer Party holds the more robust position of invading France as our main foreign policy priority.
Firstl Populus VI figures of 2014: Lab 40; Cons 33; LD 11; UKIP 8 (=); Oth 7 Tables http://popu.lu/s_vi140110
Changes from the last Populus poll of last year
Con -2
Lab +3
LD -1
UKIP -1
So UKIP just took 54% in a council by-election with a massive swing and we're supposed to believe that they're down 1% on a year ago in the Populus poll.
I appreciate this was in the UKIP heartland, but their vote is noticeably up all around England and Wales in recent by-elections. These polls are fast losing credibility with me to be honest.
UKIP took 54% of the vote in an election with a turnout of 18% . VI polls are based on a turnout of 60 - 70 %
GE voter turn outs have been much lower than 60/70% in recent decades. Mind you, enthusiasm for UKIP may bring out a bigger percentage this time.
The question is probably what Viviane Reding is playing at, not what The EU Commission is playing at. Two explanations: 1) She's about to finish her second term, has no particular next job to go to, and being a generally outspoken person she's saying what she thinks. 2) She's running for the EPP nomination for Commission president, and thinks it will help her to voice what members of the other mainstream parties are thinking and raise her profile in the process.
Well whichever way it is I can't see her inviting the UK Conservatives back into the EPP fold.
Nuttall seems to have stuck to UKIP lines on stuff, all his positions look perfectly sensible (within the UKIP framework) to me.
Just had a look at Lewisham - the 3 seats there are all Labour safe seats with the Lib Dems in second.
About as far from UKIP fertile territory as you can get ! Perhaps this is why Nuttall didn't look good on the TV...
Ive seen Nuttall perform better, but the woman (Boniface) next to him was a complete joke.. these media lefties are stuck in the 80s... same old claptrap "My family are descended from immigrants, these people saying we shouldn't have open borders are nasty etc etc "
NO ONE IS SAYING IMMIGRATION SHOULD STOP, WE JUST WANT TO BE ABLE TO CONTROL IT TO ENSURE ONLY THE BEST COME
Actually, Nadine Dorries seemed to speak more coherently on UKIP policies, shame she said vote Conservative at the end of it all!
ok Sam
I'm going to say it. It may sound harsh but we both know it's what you want and for very good reasons.
Come over to us. Come over to the Conservatives.
You are a social conservative, you understand the practicalities of being in government, you believe that all "Big 3" politicians are crooked but have come to realise that there are no easy solutions to the very real economic and social challenges that face the UK now. Labour have proved themselves incompetent and are in denial (albeit with their hearts in the right place) and the LDs have not adjusted to the change from protest party to party in govt.
UKIP for all its +/- 5% who knows perhaps <10% vote share is going to make it harder for the only party able to govern and to rescue the UK to govern and rescue the UK.
And you know that that party is the Conservatives.
Just a reminder for the sceptics amongst you that whilst UKIP has the admirable policy of wanting to leave the EU, the Morris Dancer Party holds the more robust position of invading France as our main foreign policy priority.
Please can I be the MDP Secretary of State for Defense?
Nuttall seems to have stuck to UKIP lines on stuff, all his positions look perfectly sensible (within the UKIP framework) to me.
Just had a look at Lewisham - the 3 seats there are all Labour safe seats with the Lib Dems in second.
About as far from UKIP fertile territory as you can get ! Perhaps this is why Nuttall didn't look good on the TV...
Ive seen Nuttall perform better, but the woman (Boniface) next to him was a complete joke.. these media lefties are stuck in the 80s... same old claptrap "My family are descended from immigrants, these people saying we shouldn't have open borders are nasty etc etc "
NO ONE IS SAYING IMMIGRATION SHOULD STOP, WE JUST WANT TO BE ABLE TO CONTROL IT TO ENSURE ONLY THE BEST COME
Actually, Nadine Dorries seemed to speak more coherently on UKIP policies, shame she said vote Conservative at the end of it all!
ok Sam
I'm going to say it. It may sound harsh but we both know it's what you want and for very good reasons.
Come over to us. Come over to the Conservatives.
You are a social conservative, you understand the practicalities of being in government, you believe that all "Big 3" politicians are crooked but have come to realise that there are no easy solutions to the very real economic and social challenges that face the UK now. Labour have proved themselves incompetent and are in denial (albeit with their hearts in the right place) and the LDs have not adjusted to the change from protest party to party in govt.
UKIP for all its +/- 5% who knows perhaps <10% vote share is going to make it harder for the only party able to govern and to rescue the UK to govern and rescue the UK.
And you know that that party is the Conservatives.</p>
Get rid of Cameron and Osborne and he probably would.
Just a reminder for the sceptics amongst you that whilst UKIP has the admirable policy of wanting to leave the EU, the Morris Dancer Party holds the more robust position of invading France as our main foreign policy priority.
Mr. Patrick, I do need to win a General Election first, unfortunately. Or seize power with an unstoppable army of genetically modified superfish...
Well when I become the country's first Directly Elected Tyrant, one of my policies is enforce the Treaty of Troyes, if the French don't agree, we will then invade.
Firstl Populus VI figures of 2014: Lab 40; Cons 33; LD 11; UKIP 8 (=); Oth 7 Tables http://popu.lu/s_vi140110
Changes from the last Populus poll of last year
Con -2
Lab +3
LD -1
UKIP -1
That looks like a reversion to the mean of a quirky poll before Christmas. Populus does seem to bounce around more than the others, presumably for methodological reasons - I take it least seriously of all the polls for that reason.
Nuttall seems to have stuck to UKIP lines on stuff, all his positions look perfectly sensible (within the UKIP framework) to me.
Just had a look at Lewisham - the 3 seats there are all Labour safe seats with the Lib Dems in second.
About as far from UKIP fertile territory as you can get ! Perhaps this is why Nuttall didn't look good on the TV...
Ive seen Nuttall perform better, but the woman (Boniface) next to him was a complete joke.. these media lefties are stuck in the 80s... same old claptrap "My family are descended from immigrants, these people saying we shouldn't have open borders are nasty etc etc "
NO ONE IS SAYING IMMIGRATION SHOULD STOP, WE JUST WANT TO BE ABLE TO CONTROL IT TO ENSURE ONLY THE BEST COME
Actually, Nadine Dorries seemed to speak more coherently on UKIP policies, shame she said vote Conservative at the end of it all!
ok Sam
I'm going to say it. It may sound harsh but we both know it's what you want and for very good reasons.
Come over to us. Come over to the Conservatives.
You are a social conservative, you understand the practicalities of being in government, you believe that all "Big 3" politicians are crooked but have come to realise that there are no easy solutions to the very real economic and social challenges that face the UK now. Labour have proved themselves incompetent and are in denial (albeit with their hearts in the right place) and the LDs have not adjusted to the change from protest party to party in govt.
UKIP for all its +/- 5% who knows perhaps <10% vote share is going to make it harder for the only party able to govern and to rescue the UK to govern and rescue the UK.
And you know that that party is the Conservatives.</p>
Get rid of Cameron and Osborne and he probably would.
Cameron yes - he's a wet. Osborne not so sure - he's Tory I think.
Nuttall seems to have stuck to UKIP lines on stuff, all his positions look perfectly sensible (within the UKIP framework) to me.
Just had a look at Lewisham - the 3 seats there are all Labour safe seats with the Lib Dems in second.
About as far from UKIP fertile territory as you can get ! Perhaps this is why Nuttall didn't look good on the TV...
Ive seen Nuttall perform better, but the woman (Boniface) next to him was a complete joke.. these media lefties are stuck in the 80s... same old claptrap "My family are descended from immigrants, these people saying we shouldn't have open borders are nasty etc etc "
NO ONE IS SAYING IMMIGRATION SHOULD STOP, WE JUST WANT TO BE ABLE TO CONTROL IT TO ENSURE ONLY THE BEST COME
Actually, Nadine Dorries seemed to speak more coherently on UKIP policies, shame she said vote Conservative at the end of it all!
ok Sam
I'm going to say it. It may sound harsh but we both know it's what you want and for very good reasons.
Come over to us. Come over to the Conservatives.
You are a social conservative, you understand the practicalities of being in government, you believe that all "Big 3" politicians are crooked but have come to realise that there are no easy solutions to the very real economic and social challenges that face the UK now. Labour have proved themselves incompetent and are in denial (albeit with their hearts in the right place) and the LDs have not adjusted to the change from protest party to party in govt.
UKIP for all its +/- 5% who knows perhaps <10% vote share is going to make it harder for the only party able to govern and to rescue the UK to govern and rescue the UK.
And you know that that party is the Conservatives.</p>
Get rid of Cameron and Osborne and he probably would.
Cameron yes - he's a wet. Osborne not so sure - he's Tory I think.
Osbornomics is simply Brownomics at half speed - he's useless and clueless. We need a reforming chancellor not a political one. We've had political chancellors since 1997 and it shows in our economic performance.
If I was Farage at this point I'd start making up joke policies like deploying squadrons of badgers to protect the borders and see which of the main parties I could get to adopt them.
Nuttall seems to have stuck to UKIP lines on stuff, all his positions look perfectly sensible (within the UKIP framework) to me.
Just had a look at Lewisham - the 3 seats there are all Labour safe seats with the Lib Dems in second.
About as far from UKIP fertile territory as you can get ! Perhaps this is why Nuttall didn't look good on the TV...
Ive seen Nuttall perform better, but the woman (Boniface) next to him was a complete joke.. these media lefties are stuck in the 80s... same old claptrap "My family are descended from immigrants, these people saying we shouldn't have open borders are nasty etc etc "
NO ONE IS SAYING IMMIGRATION SHOULD STOP, WE JUST WANT TO BE ABLE TO CONTROL IT TO ENSURE ONLY THE BEST COME
Actually, Nadine Dorries seemed to speak more coherently on UKIP policies, shame she said vote Conservative at the end of it all!
ok Sam
I'm going to say it. It may sound harsh but we both know it's what you want and for very good reasons.
Come over to us. Come over to the Conservatives.
You are a social conservative, you understand the practicalities of being in government, you believe that all "Big 3" politicians are crooked but have come to realise that there are no easy solutions to the very real economic and social challenges that face the UK now. Labour have proved themselves incompetent and are in denial (albeit with their hearts in the right place) and the LDs have not adjusted to the change from protest party to party in govt.
UKIP for all its +/- 5% who knows perhaps <10% vote share is going to make it harder for the only party able to govern and to rescue the UK to govern and rescue the UK.
And you know that that party is the Conservatives.</p>
Get rid of Cameron and Osborne and he probably would.
Cameron yes - he's a wet. Osborne not so sure - he's Tory I think.
Osbornomics is simply Brownomics at half speed - he's useless and clueless. We need a reforming chancellor not a political one. We've had political chancellors since 1997 and it shows in our economic performance.
We will never know what budgets GO would have proposed if there had been a Con majority.
If I was Farage at this point I'd start making up joke policies like deploying squadrons of badgers to protect the borders and see which of the main parties I could get to adopt them.
You don't want badgers, they will move the goalposts...
Firstl Populus VI figures of 2014: Lab 40; Cons 33; LD 11; UKIP 8 (=); Oth 7 Tables http://popu.lu/s_vi140110
Changes from the last Populus poll of last year
Con -2
Lab +3
LD -1
UKIP -1
That looks like a reversion to the mean of a quirky poll before Christmas. Populus does seem to bounce around more than the others, presumably for methodological reasons - I take it least seriously of all the polls for that reason.
Agree, I've noticed with Populus that the Lib Dem and UKIP numbers are generally stable, but there's more volatility on the Con and Lab shares.
Nuttall seems to have stuck to UKIP lines on stuff, all his positions look perfectly sensible (within the UKIP framework) to me.
Just had a look at Lewisham - the 3 seats there are all Labour safe seats with the Lib Dems in second.
About as far from UKIP fertile territory as you can get ! Perhaps this is why Nuttall didn't look good on the TV...
Ive seen Nuttall perform better, but the woman (Boniface) next to him was a complete joke.. these media lefties are stuck in the 80s... same old claptrap "My family are descended from immigrants, these people saying we shouldn't have open borders are nasty etc etc "
NO ONE IS SAYING IMMIGRATION SHOULD STOP, WE JUST WANT TO BE ABLE TO CONTROL IT TO ENSURE ONLY THE BEST COME
Actually, Nadine Dorries seemed to speak more coherently on UKIP policies, shame she said vote Conservative at the end of it all!
ok Sam
I'm going to say it. It may sound harsh but we both know it's what you want and for very good reasons.
Come over to us. Come over to the Conservatives.
You are a social conservative, you understand the practicalities of being in government, you UKIP for all its +/- 5% who knows perhaps <10% vote share is going to make it harder for the only party able to govern and to rescue the UK to govern and rescue the UK.
And you know that that party is the Conservatives.</p>
Get rid of Cameron and Osborne and he probably would.
Cameron yes - he's a wet. Osborne not so sure - he's Tory I think.
Osbornomics is simply Brownomics at half speed - he's useless and clueless. We need a reforming chancellor not a political one. We've had political chancellors since 1997 and it shows in our economic performance.
We will never know what budgets GO would have proposed if there had been a Con majority.
I doubt they'd be that much different than what we have now.
Are would-be immigrants going to have to satisfy immigration officers that they're useless cretins with no useful skills?
It seems both weirdly niche - there's probably less high skilled EU migrants taking low skilled jobs than than EU migrants claiming benefits - and also obviously creating weird incentives. It also doesn't chime with his other sentence "On low-skill immigration we believe there was too much of it from the EU". I think Chukka Umunna is generally a pretty intelligent guy who knows his stuff, so I assume he just flubbed his lines as he tried to having something to say in an area where Labour are without policies.
EDIT: Having looked at this more closely, Umunna just seems to be saying it was a problem, not that they should be banned from doing it. Just the Guardian being useless at reporting again, I guess.
Nuttall seems to have stuck to UKIP lines on stuff, all his positions look perfectly sensible (within the UKIP framework) to me.
Just had a look at Lewisham - the 3 seats there are all Labour safe seats with the Lib Dems in second.
About as far from UKIP fertile territory as you can get ! Perhaps this is why Nuttall didn't look good on the TV...
Ive seen Nuttall perform better, but the woman (Boniface) next to him was a complete joke.. these media lefties are stuck in the 80s... same old claptrap "My family are descended from immigrants, these people saying we shouldn't have open borders are nasty etc etc "
NO ONE IS SAYING IMMIGRATION SHOULD STOP, WE JUST WANT TO BE ABLE TO CONTROL IT TO ENSURE ONLY THE BEST COME
Actually, Nadine Dorries seemed to speak more coherently on UKIP policies, shame she said vote Conservative at the end of it all!
ok Sam
I'm going to say it. It may sound harsh but we both know it's what you want and for very good reasons.
Come over to us. Come over to the Conservatives.
You are a social conservative, you understand the practicalities of being in government, you UKIP for all its +/- 5% who knows perhaps <10% vote share is going to make it harder for the only party able to govern and to rescue the UK to govern and rescue the UK.
And you know that that party is the Conservatives.</p>
Get rid of Cameron and Osborne and he probably would.
Cameron yes - he's a wet. Osborne not so sure - he's Tory I think.
Osbornomics is simply Brownomics at half speed - he's useless and clueless. We need a reforming chancellor not a political one. We've had political chancellors since 1997 and it shows in our economic performance.
We will never know what budgets GO would have proposed if there had been a Con majority.
I doubt they'd be that much different than what we have now.
Nuttall seems to have stuck to UKIP lines on stuff, all his positions look perfectly sensible (within the UKIP framework) to me.
Just had a look at Lewisham - the 3 seats there are all Labour safe seats with the Lib Dems in second.
About as far from UKIP fertile territory as you can get ! Perhaps this is why Nuttall didn't look good on the TV...
Ive seen Nuttall perform better, but the woman (Boniface) next to him was a complete joke.. these media lefties are stuck in the 80s... same old claptrap "My family are descended from immigrants, these people saying we shouldn't have open borders are nasty etc etc "
NO ONE IS SAYING IMMIGRATION SHOULD STOP, WE JUST WANT TO BE ABLE TO CONTROL IT TO ENSURE ONLY THE BEST COME
Actually, Nadine Dorries seemed to speak more coherently on UKIP policies, shame she said vote Conservative at the end of it all!
ok Sam
I'm going to say it. It may sound harsh but we both know it's what you want and for very good reasons.
Come over to us. Come over to the Conservatives.
You are a social conservative, you understand the practicalities of being in government, you believe that all "Big 3" politicians are crooked but have come to realise that there are no easy solutions to the very real economic and social challenges that face the UK now. Labour have proved themselves incompetent and are in denial (albeit with their hearts in the right place) and the LDs have not adjusted to the change from protest party to party in govt.
UKIP for all its +/- 5% who knows perhaps <10% vote share is going to make it harder for the only party able to govern and to rescue the UK to govern and rescue the UK.
And you know that that party is the Conservatives.</p>
Get rid of Cameron and Osborne and he probably would.
There already is a party that caters for working class social conservatives, and I am a member of it!
Populous is another concerning poll for the Conservatives. I have a theory that if Labour says or does nothing at all for 16 months it will win at a canter. The Generation X leftie coalition is too strong.
USA - Christie "The daughter of the 91-year-old woman who died as first responders were delayed due to traffic on the George Washington Bridge said the lane closures were not responsible for her death."
Nuttall seems to have stuck to UKIP lines on stuff, all his positions look perfectly sensible (within the UKIP framework) to me.
Just had a look at Lewisham - the 3 seats there are all Labour safe seats with the Lib Dems in second.
About as far from UKIP fertile territory as you can get ! Perhaps this is why Nuttall didn't look good on the TV...
Ive seen Nuttall perform better, but the woman (Boniface) next to him was a complete joke.. these media lefties are stuck in the 80s... same old claptrap "My family are descended from immigrants, these people saying we shouldn't have open borders are nasty etc etc "
NO ONE IS SAYING IMMIGRATION SHOULD STOP, WE JUST WANT TO BE ABLE TO CONTROL IT TO ENSURE ONLY THE BEST COME
Actually, Nadine Dorries seemed to speak more coherently on UKIP policies, shame she said vote Conservative at the end of it all!
ok Sam
I'm going to say it. It may sound harsh but we both know it's what you want and for very good reasons.
Come over to us. Come over to the Conservatives.
You are a social conservative, you understand the practicalities of being in government, you believe that all "Big 3" politicians are crooked but have come to realise that there are no easy solutions to the very real economic and social challenges that face the UK now. Labour have proved themselves incompetent and are in denial (albeit with their hearts in the right place) and the LDs have not adjusted to the change from protest party to party in govt.
UKIP for all its +/- 5% who knows perhaps <10% vote share is going to make it harder for the only party able to govern and to rescue the UK to govern and rescue the UK.
And you know that that party is the Conservatives.</p>
Get rid of Cameron and Osborne and he probably would.
Cameron yes - he's a wet. Osborne not so sure - he's Tory I think.
We need a reforming chancellor not a political one.
Yes we do. But the country didn't want one and quite frankly, no matter how necessary, there is no way an incoming CoE would have driven the UK car off the cliff to rebase asset prices and debt levels.
Nuttall seems to have stuck to UKIP lines on stuff, all his positions look perfectly sensible (within the UKIP framework) to me.
Just had a look at Lewisham - the 3 seats there are all Labour safe seats with the Lib Dems in second.
About as far from UKIP fertile territory as you can get ! Perhaps this is why Nuttall didn't look good on the TV...
Ive seen Nuttall perform better, buasty etc etc "
NO ONE IS SAYING IMMIGRATION SHOULD STOP, WE JUST WANT TO BE ABLE TO CONTROL IT TO ENSURE ONLY THE BEST COME
Actually, Nadine Dorries seemed to speak more coherently on UKIP policies, shame she said vote Conservative at the end of it all!
ok Sam
I'm going to say it. It may sound harsh but we both know it's what you want and for very good reasons.
And you know that that party is the Conservatives.
Get rid of Cameron and Osborne and he probably would.
Cameron yes - he's a wet. Osborne not so sure - he's Tory I think.
Osbornomics is simply Brownomics at half speed - he's useless and clueless. We need a reforming chancellor not a political one. We've had political chancellors since 1997 and it shows in our economic performance.
We will never know what budgets GO would have proposed if there had been a Con majority.
I doubt they'd be that much different than what we have now.
Free school meals ? Nah..
Oh there'd be the usual eye catching political gimmicks. We'd probably have a 40% tax rate not 45%, a bit harder on some benefits some daft tax break for touchy feely things. But over all the shape of the numbers would be the same and job of economic reform would still be sat in his in-tray. He's a waste of space.
Populous is another concerning poll for the Conservatives. I have a theory that if Labour says or does nothing at all for 16 months it will win at a canter. The Generation X leftie coalition is too strong.
Labour's biggest danger is indeed that they do say stuff !
If I was Farage at this point I'd start making up joke policies like deploying squadrons of badgers to protect the borders and see which of the main parties I could get to adopt them.
You don't want badgers, they will move the goalposts...
Well Andrew Mitchell's chances of coming back to the cabinet has received a bit of a boost
True, but in what position? It can't really be one where he's expected to work with the police, ruling out much of the Home Office. Preferably, it should also be somewhere where other major interest groups won't complain about getting a 'discredited' minister. Cameron also needs to have a cabinet minister he can dispose of without creating more problems, though Mitchell doesn't have to replace them directly.
Given all this, if Mitchell returns to the Cabinet, which positions would be good bets for him to get?
Nuttall seems to have stuck to UKIP lines on stuff, all his positions look perfectly sensible (within the UKIP framework) to me.
Just had a look at Lewisham - the 3 seats there are all Labour safe seats with the Lib Dems in second.
About as far from UKIP fertile territory as you can get ! Perhaps this is why Nuttall didn't look good on the TV...
Ive seen Nuttall perform better, buasty etc etc "
NO ONE IS SAYING IMMIGRATION SHOULD STOP, WE JUST WANT TO BE ABLE TO CONTROL IT TO ENSURE ONLY THE BEST COME
Actually, Nadine Dorries seemed to speak more coherently on UKIP policies, shame she said vote Conservative at the end of it all!
ok Sam
I'm going to say it. It may sound harsh but we both know it's what you want and for very good reasons.
And you know that that party is the Conservatives.
Get rid of Cameron and Osborne and he probably would.
Cameron yes - he's a wet. Osborne not so sure - he's Tory I think.
Osbornomics is simply Brownomics at half speed - he's useless and clueless. We need a reforming chancellor not a political one. We've had political chancellors since 1997 and it shows in our economic performance.
We will never know what budgets GO would have proposed if there had been a Con majority.
I doubt they'd be that much different than what we have now.
Free school meals ? Nah..
Oh there'd be the usual eye catching political gimmicks. We'd probably have a 40% tax rate not 45%, a bit harder on some benefits some daft tax break for touchy feely things. But over all the shape of the numbers would be the same and job of economic reform would still be sat in his in-tray. He's a waste of space.
That 'gimmick' is saving my colleague ~£700 a year I think. She is a 2010 LD sticking with them for that reason. Anecdotal yes but that policy is a good one to get a few parents of young kid's votes.
People here say Nuttall was rubbish, but he was the victim of a classic BBC QT ambush last night. At some point it probably occurred to him the audience was stacked full of NHS pilgrims and other inner city labour types.
Surely the fact it was held in Lewisham of all places (just after the Duggan verdict, coincidentally) would have been a clue. He should have left well alone.
Opinions that we are finding are mainstream in many parts of the country were greeted with stony silence.
Nuttall seems to have stuck to UKIP lines on stuff, all his positions look perfectly sensible (within the UKIP framework) to me.
Just had a look at Lewisham - the 3 seats there are all Labour safe seats with the Lib Dems in second.
About as far from UKIP fertile territory as you can get ! Perhaps this is why Nuttall didn't look good on the TV...
Ive seen Nuttall perform better, but the woman (Boniface) next to him was a complete joke.. these media lefties are stuck in the 80s... same old claptrap "My family are descended from immigrants, these people saying we shouldn't have open borders are nasty etc etc "
NO ONE IS SAYING IMMIGRATION SHOULD STOP, WE JUST WANT TO BE ABLE TO CONTROL IT TO ENSURE ONLY THE BEST COME
Actually, Nadine Dorries seemed to speak more coherently on UKIP policies, shame she said vote Conservative at the end of it all!
ok Sam
I'm going to say it. It may sound harsh but we both know it's what you want and for very good reasons.
Come over to us. Come over to the Conservatives.
And you know that that party is the Conservatives.
Get rid of Cameron and Osborne and he probably would.
Cameron yes - he's a wet. Osborne not so sure - he's Tory I think.
We need a reforming chancellor not a political one.
Yes we do. But the country didn't want one and quite frankly, no matter how necessary, there is no way an incoming CoE would have driven the UK car off the cliff to rebase asset prices and debt levels.
just the usual cameroon defensive nonsense to hide the issue of Osborne not having a clue. It's not a question of what the country wants it's what it can do. Osborne had a chance to push through reform in 2010 and 2011 when the electorate were primed for change. He bottled it and declared job done. He called it wrong.
One thing I instinctively disagreed with Paul Nuttall on last night was this request for policeman to wear cameras to check they don't shoot unarmed people...
Isn't this like setting the field for bad bowling at the start of a test match? Surely the Police interview process should weed out the type of person who cant be trusted with a gun?
Well Andrew Mitchell's chances of coming back to the cabinet has received a bit of a boost
True, but in what position? It can't really be one where he's expected to work with the police, ruling out much of the Home Office. Preferably, it should also be somewhere where other major interest groups won't complain about getting a 'discredited' minister. Cameron also needs to have a cabinet minister he can dispose of without creating more problems, though Mitchell doesn't have to replace them directly.
Given all this, if Mitchell returns to the Cabinet, which positions would be good bets for him to get?
Foreign Secretary, this is nothing to do with the fact I hold a betting slip with Andrew Mitchell as next Foreign secretary at 16/1
Are would-be immigrants going to have to satisfy immigration officers that they're useless cretins with no useful skills?
It seems both weirdly niche - there's probably less high skilled EU migrants taking low skilled jobs than than EU migrants claiming benefits - and also obviously creating weird incentives. It also doesn't chime with his other sentence "On low-skill immigration we believe there was too much of it from the EU". I think Chukka Umunna is generally a pretty intelligent guy who knows his stuff, so I assume he just flubbed his lines as he tried to having something to say in an area where Labour are without policies.
EDIT: Having looked at this more closely, Umunna just seems to be saying it was a problem, not that they should be banned from doing it. Just the Guardian being useless at reporting again, I guess.
Are would-be immigrants going to have to satisfy immigration officers that they're useless cretins with no useful skills?
It seems both weirdly niche - there's probably less high skilled EU migrants taking low skilled jobs than than EU migrants claiming benefits - and also obviously creating weird incentives. It also doesn't chime with his other sentence "On low-skill immigration we believe there was too much of it from the EU". I think Chukka Umunna is generally a pretty intelligent guy who knows his stuff, so I assume he just flubbed his lines as he tried to having something to say in an area where Labour are without policies.
EDIT: Having looked at this more closely, Umunna just seems to be saying it was a problem, not that they should be banned from doing it. Just the Guardian being useless at reporting again, I guess.
No. Labour are saying they want to reform freedom of movement to be freedom to work, i.e. You can only come to another EU country if you have a job lined up.
One thing I instinctively disagreed with Paul Nuttall on last night was this request for policeman to wear cameras to check they don't shoot unarmed people...
Isn't this like setting the field for bad bowling at the start of a test match? Surely the Police interview process should weed out the type of person who cant be trusted with a gun?
Have to disagree with you here Sam, as soon as a copper shoots anyone there is immediately a clamour to proclaim him/her as a murderer. The police need as much help as they can get in today's society. I wish it weren't so but it is the reality.
One thing I instinctively disagreed with Paul Nuttall on last night was this request for policeman to wear cameras to check they don't shoot unarmed people...
Isn't this like setting the field for bad bowling at the start of a test match? Surely the Police interview process should weed out the type of person who cant be trusted with a gun?
No interview process is perfect, and in any big organization you're going to have a fair few people who can't be trusted.
Well Andrew Mitchell's chances of coming back to the cabinet has received a bit of a boost
True, but in what position? It can't really be one where he's expected to work with the police, ruling out much of the Home Office. Preferably, it should also be somewhere where other major interest groups won't complain about getting a 'discredited' minister. Cameron also needs to have a cabinet minister he can dispose of without creating more problems, though Mitchell doesn't have to replace them directly.
Given all this, if Mitchell returns to the Cabinet, which positions would be good bets for him to get?
Foreign Secretary, this is nothing to do with the fact I hold a betting slip with Andrew Mitchell as next Foreign secretary at 16/1
One thing I instinctively disagreed with Paul Nuttall on last night was this request for policeman to wear cameras to check they don't shoot unarmed people...
Isn't this like setting the field for bad bowling at the start of a test match? Surely the Police interview process should weed out the type of person who cant be trusted with a gun?
Have to disagree with you here Sam, as soon as a copper shoots anyone there is immediately a clamour to proclaim him/her as a murderer. The police need as much help as they can get in today's society. I wish it weren't so but it is the reality.
Plus they can turn the daily footage into a copper reality show, and become self-funding!
if you're referring to school meals it was Sir H who said Osborne wouldn't intoduce them. Personally I'm for anything which lifts lower incomes out of tax and have consistently said the LDs had the best policy on personal tax in 2010, which is why Osborne's cherry picking their ideas.
When they put cameras on cops in certain US states, police use of force and complaints dropped precipitously. Seems like a good idea if that's the case.
One thing I instinctively disagreed with Paul Nuttall on last night was this request for policeman to wear cameras to check they don't shoot unarmed people...
Isn't this like setting the field for bad bowling at the start of a test match? Surely the Police interview process should weed out the type of person who cant be trusted with a gun?
Sorry but I have to disagree with you. One could have said exactly the same thing about police interviewing suspects after arrest which used to be done without recording and which was very liable to corruption and 'adjustment ' or 'clarification'.
When someone has that amount of power and cannot be absolutely trusted (as the police certainly cannot by now) it is necessary to make use of whatever technology is available to keep them on the straight and narrow.
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Weighted UKIP base: 112.
KIppers may just like doing online surveys to bump their VI...
But the weighting is crackers. Though I think there should be some.
Phone pollsters best for UKIP VI.
I appreciate this was in the UKIP heartland, but their vote is noticeably up all around England and Wales in recent by-elections. These polls are fast losing credibility with me to be honest.
Those whom the gods wish to destroy........
May will be a better indicator.
Anyway, the deranged rambling of meddlesome, power-hungry foreign bureaucrats doesn't really alter much for me. I was planning on voting UKIP in the euros, and still am.
Then we'll be able to see if prompting for UKIP is a good or bad thing.
Last year, the pollster that was the most accurate in the locals, didn't prompt for UKIP.
Luxemburg federalists always amuse me. Take away the national borders and what's the point of Luxemburg ?
It exists primarily as a place for tax-dodging Germans and multinats to park their profits. Remove the borders and it quickly goes back to being a Ruritanian backwater.
Tele:
UK industrial production ouput flat while construction output falls
09.32 Britain's industrial production was flat between October and November, latest ONS figures have shown. Economists had expected a 0.4pc rise.
In a separate report, the ONS said that the UK's construction output had fallen 4pc in November. That compares with analyst predictions of a 0.8pc rise.
In the end ended up £79.27, loss on Betfair, profit on 365/VC/Ladbrokes, losses at Paddys and SkyBet.
Only slightly annoying thing is that I made £200 of it at VC. Two bets of £4 on Mel at 25-1. That could have errm ... consequences.
Organised criminals were able to infiltrate Scotland Yard “at will” by bribing corrupt officers, according to an explosive report leaked to The Independent. The Metropolitan Police file, written in 2002, found Britain’s biggest force suffered “endemic corruption” at the time.
Operation Tiberius concluded that syndicates such as the notorious Adams family and the gang led by David Hunt had bribed scores of former and then-serving detectives to access confidential databases; obtain live intelligence on criminal investigations; provide specialist knowledge of surveillance, technical deployment and undercover techniques to help evade prosecution; and even take part in criminal acts such as mass drug importation and money laundering.
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/crime/exclusive-scotland-yards-rotten-core-police-failed-to-address-endemic-corruption-9050224.html
Eastleigh YG 11% Actual 27.8%
Rotherham YG 10% Actual 21.8% ( Opinium 13%)
Corby YG 9% Actual 14.3% (Opinium 10%)
Middlesbrough YG 10% Actual 11.8% (Opinium 13%)
South Shields YG 10% Actual 24% (Opinium 17%)
Department store reports week to 4 January sales up 23.6% on 2013 to £113.4m while Waitrose enjoyed a 9.3% increase
http://www.theguardian.com/business/2014/jan/10/john-lewis-cracking-post-christmas-sales-waitrose
CourtNewsUK @CourtNewsUK 29s
Pc Keith Wallis pleads guilty to misconduct over Plebgate affair
1) She's about to finish her second term, has no particular next job to go to, and being a generally outspoken person she's saying what she thinks.
2) She's running for the EPP nomination for Commission president, and thinks it will help her to voice what members of the other mainstream parties are thinking and raise her profile in the process.
Tesco and Mozza's loss are Waitrose's gain - no wonder there is a cost of living crisis - we are all buying posher vol au vents....
Some Met nobody coppers on an anti-Tory publicity seeking jolly.
Burn em. Burn em at the stake. Utter cretins. No respect for the badge.
I'm going to say it. It may sound harsh but we both know it's what you want and for very good reasons.
Come over to us. Come over to the Conservatives.
You are a social conservative, you understand the practicalities of being in government, you believe that all "Big 3" politicians are crooked but have come to realise that there are no easy solutions to the very real economic and social challenges that face the UK now. Labour have proved themselves incompetent and are in denial (albeit with their hearts in the right place) and the LDs have not adjusted to the change from protest party to party in govt.
UKIP for all its +/- 5% who knows perhaps <10% vote share is going to make it harder for the only party able to govern and to rescue the UK to govern and rescue the UK.
And you know that that party is the Conservatives.
Con 31%, Lab 24%, LD 12%, UKIP 22%.
http://ukpollingreport.co.uk/blog/archives/7372
Another great thing about Sheffield there's both a John Lewis and a Waitrose.
Women's Ashes Test Score in Australia.
England 201all out
Australia: 9-2
Perhaps the typical stereotype of aged little Englanders was bunkum all along?
That's what I do!!
http://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2014/jan/10/stop-eu-citizens-travelling-uk-work-labour?CMP=twt_gu
Are would-be immigrants going to have to satisfy immigration officers that they're useless cretins with no useful skills?
EDIT: Having looked at this more closely, Umunna just seems to be saying it was a problem, not that they should be banned from doing it. Just the Guardian being useless at reporting again, I guess.
Keith Wallis admits wrongly claiming to have witnessed argument between Andrew Mitchell and Downing Street officers
http://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2014/jan/10/plebgate-row-police-officer-pleads-guilty
"The daughter of the 91-year-old woman who died as first responders were delayed due to traffic on the George Washington Bridge said the lane closures were not responsible for her death."
http://www.nationalreview.com/corner/368058/woman-says-bridge-closure-not-blame-91-year-old-mothers-death-andrew-johnson
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-25679146
Perhaps the president of restricted growth wanted to follow the example of President Felix Faure who at least died as a result of over excitement.
http://preview.tinyurl.com/4tue6dc
That's why in women's limited over matches, the boundaries are brought in about 30 yards further in than they would for a men's match.
I noticed this a few years ago, when I went to an England t20 match, and the ladies match preceded the men's match.
The best summary of the immigration debate I’ve seen to date:
pic.twitter.com/vEowbwSpCo
Given all this, if Mitchell returns to the Cabinet, which positions would be good bets for him to get?
Surely the fact it was held in Lewisham of all places (just after the Duggan verdict, coincidentally) would have been a clue. He should have left well alone.
Opinions that we are finding are mainstream in many parts of the country were greeted with stony silence.
Dimbleby's smirk said it all.
Isn't this like setting the field for bad bowling at the start of a test match? Surely the Police interview process should weed out the type of person who cant be trusted with a gun?
http://www1.politicalbetting.com/index.php/archives/2013/09/02/the-next-foreign-secretary-betting/
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=768h3Tz4Qik
http://blogs.spectator.co.uk/coffeehouse/2014/01/will-peers-decide-to-letbritaindecide/
It's just a line.
You call it a line. I call it a whiff of panic
Nuttall was ambushed mate. Of course he was.
But you have a point. A jury decided that there was nothing wrong with what happened. Why the f8ck should we change these procedures??
Next Foreign Secretary
Next Foreign Secretary Pending £8.96...
if you're referring to school meals it was Sir H who said Osborne wouldn't intoduce them. Personally I'm for anything which lifts lower incomes out of tax and have consistently said the LDs had the best policy on personal tax in 2010, which is why Osborne's cherry picking their ideas.
''Tough on crime....tough on the causes of crime....''
It might stop those living outside around Marble Arch from being able to come here, which would be a plus.
When they put cameras on cops in certain US states, police use of force and complaints dropped precipitously. Seems like a good idea if that's the case.
When someone has that amount of power and cannot be absolutely trusted (as the police certainly cannot by now) it is necessary to make use of whatever technology is available to keep them on the straight and narrow.