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Whispers Tory MP s have reached the magic number of the 48 letters required to force a confidence vote – no way of knowing yet if true – meeting at 5.30

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  • CarlottaVanceCarlottaVance Posts: 60,422
    First!
  • dr_spyndr_spyn Posts: 11,338
    2nd out like Boris.
  • CarlottaVanceCarlottaVance Posts: 60,422
    Someone asked the PM in the house about this tweet and whether she'd fight for her job - the PM replied the only jobs she was focussing on were those of the people of the UK....
  • RogerRoger Posts: 21,066
    Looks like the men in the flapping white coats have reformed.

    Redwood touring the studios
  • JackWJackW Posts: 14,787
    anothernick said:

    JackW said:

    Big_G_NorthWales said:

    Foxy said:

    If May wins a leadership challenge, then she gets year. If she loses, does the new leader also get a year, or are they in peril from day one?

    If she loses we have a full campaign for a new leader with two candidates eventually being put to the membership. This could take all summer
    And what of the country as the Conservatives navel-gaze for months on end ?!?
    Jack a man of your experience and sagacity should know by now that the country is not the Tories' priority. What they are really interested in is their own internal psychodrama and the country is just collateral damage. As the former foreign secretary didn't say, their attitude over the past few years has been "f*ck the country." And they are continuing in that vein.
    I always start from the position of wishing a new administration well and initially allowing them the benefit of the doubt as they wrestle with the complex nature of governing a modern liberal democracy.

    We are well past allowing this shower a fair wind. The government is a mess and the Prime Minister has failed the nation. That said we are also treated to a Labour party completely unfit for office "led" by a man who would be out of his depth as Chairman of a small parish council.

    The situation is dire and so are the political leaders.
  • felixfelix Posts: 15,180
    The only thing which is keeping me as a 'determined to vote' Conservative is the fact that Labour is led by the hard left. I have never voted away from the party since i became eligible to vote in 1975.
  • dr_spyndr_spyn Posts: 11,338
    Does Boris have the guts to turn up at the 1922 meeting, or will he just bottle it?

    One option would be to turn up and cause trouble, but perhaps he needs to spend more time with his ego.
  • AndyJSAndyJS Posts: 29,395
    Sounds like the Hard Brexiteers want Boris Johnson to challenge Mrs May for the leadership.
  • CarlottaVanceCarlottaVance Posts: 60,422
    https://twitter.com/paulwaugh/status/1016356907488038913
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 55,885
    When is the PM meeting the Party?
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 99,391
    edited July 2018
    So, Johnson has quit as expected then. Good. The only hope for the Tories is they don't pussyfoot around anymore and actually have the knock down internal fight they so sorely need. If there is an election this year they are screwed, but at least if they have a fight and see if one side can win without the other side flouncing off then they may have a few years to try to recover from the rank incompetence of the past year.

    Not to have a contest at this point would a farce on top of a farce. What is May supposed to negotiate if her 50-60 at least of her party including Cabinet big beasts are making clear they won't support her deal? They have to actually have the fight.
    The_Apocalypse said:

    AndyJS said:

    Former Swedish PM:

    "Carl Bildt
    ‏Verified account @carlbildt

    Tragic to see how the UK is lost in the post-referendum chaos. This used to be a nation providing leadership to the world. Now it can’t even provide leadership to itself."

    But David Cameron said that Ed Miliband would bring a ‘coalition of chaos’ and only he offered competence....
    Had he won the referendum it was a fair assumption
  • GIN1138GIN1138 Posts: 22,949
    dr_spyn said:

    Does Boris have the guts to turn up at the 1922 meeting, or will he just bottle it?

    One option would be to turn up and cause trouble, but perhaps he needs to spend more time with his ego.

    What happened to Boris's resignation letter?
  • Sean_FSean_F Posts: 39,543
    CarlottaVance said:

    https://twitter.com/paulwaugh/status/1016356907488038913

    Paul Goodman thinks that the VONC will go ahead.
  • AnazinaAnazina Posts: 3,487
    CarlottaVance said:

    https://twitter.com/paulwaugh/status/1016356907488038913

    LOL. These lobby hacks are as bad as each other.

    They just make stuff up.
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 56,314
    edited July 2018
    dr_spyn said:

    Does Boris have the guts to turn up at the 1922 meeting, or will he just bottle it?

    I still think May's strategic objective is to force Boris or one of the premier tier Leavers into publicly saying that we'd be better off staying in the EU and that no deal is unthinkable.
  • dr_spyndr_spyn Posts: 11,338
    @jackw good to see that you are posting again.
  • DecrepitJohnLDecrepitJohnL Posts: 13,300
    Will May stand or resign? I can't see her winning because the choice at this point is May or not-May. Under the old system where she'd face named fruitcakes, May would probably win by a landslide but the new system, designed to strengthen the sitting PM, seems to me to weaken and even condemn her.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 87,543
    Anazina said:

    CarlottaVance said:

    https://twitter.com/paulwaugh/status/1016356907488038913

    LOL. These lobby hacks are as bad as each other.

    They just make stuff up.
    It reminds me of school...where rumours would sweep of who pulled who at some party...most of which wasn't based in any reality.
  • TheWhiteRabbitTheWhiteRabbit Posts: 12,455
    To estimate the letters Graham Brady has, take you age, less four (if you are a man) or five (if you are not a man) double it, and take off your birthday month.
  • CarlottaVanceCarlottaVance Posts: 60,422
    MarqueeMark said:

    When is the PM meeting the Party?

    Now. She's just finished in the House. David on his feet now about Salisbury.
  • AndyJSAndyJS Posts: 29,395
    edited July 2018
    If calling the referendum was supposed to end the Tories' divisions on Europe, describing it as an epic fail would be something of an understatement.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 87,543
    Who is the poor jezza lookalike on sky?
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 123,772
    FrancisUrquhart said:

    Who is the poor jezza lookalike on sky?

    Hugo Dixon
  • dr_spyndr_spyn Posts: 11,338
    Still nothing from Boris on why he stepped down according to BBC News 24.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 87,543
    TheScreamingEagles said:

    FrancisUrquhart said:

    Who is the poor jezza lookalike on sky?

    Hugo Dixon
    And who is he when the isnt gigging as a jezza lookalike?
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 99,391
    If they don't send in the letters to provoke a contest May should send one in herself - the can won't be kicked any further, it's just pathetic to see some generally sensible Tories delude themselves that this issue is not cutting the party to the core, it is existential, and they cannot sort themselves out without confronting it.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 99,391
    dr_spyn said:

    Still nothing from Boris on why he stepped down according to BBC News 24.

    Still working on which excuse to use no doubt.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 75,267
    Blow job Bojo has blown it yet again.

    Apologies if anyone has made that pun already.

    It's hard to make jokes about fellatio, but they usually come right at the finish.
  • JackWJackW Posts: 14,787
    dr_spyn said:

    @jackw good to see that you are posting again.

    Thank you.

    One gives of oneself in a modest capacity as has been the case since Mike Smithson thrust his prodigious organ into the body politic these many years.
  • MarkHopkinsMarkHopkins Posts: 5,584
    kle4 said:

    If they don't send in the letters to provoke a contest May should send one in herself - the can won't be kicked any further, it's just pathetic to see some generally sensible Tories delude themselves that this issue is not cutting the party to the core, it is existential, and they cannot sort themselves out without confronting it.


    If TMay resigns to force a contest, then she cannot stand in it.

  • kle4kle4 Posts: 99,391
    TheWhiteRabbit said:

    To estimate the letters Graham Brady has, take you age, less four (if you are a man) or five (if you are not a man) double it, and take off your birthday month.

    Only a handful needed then!
  • JonathanJonathan Posts: 22,107
    JackW said:

    anothernick said:

    JackW said:

    Big_G_NorthWales said:

    Foxy said:

    If May wins a leadership challenge, then she gets year. If she loses, does the new leader also get a year, or are they in peril from day one?

    If she loses we have a full campaign for a new leader with two candidates eventually being put to the membership. This could take all summer
    And what of the country as the Conservatives navel-gaze for months on end ?!?
    Jack a man of your experience and sagacity should know by now that the country is not the Tories' priority. What they are really interested in is their own internal psychodrama and the country is just collateral damage. As the former foreign secretary didn't say, their attitude over the past few years has been "f*ck the country." And they are continuing in that vein.
    I always start from the position of wishing a new administration well and initially allowing them the benefit of the doubt as they wrestle with the complex nature of governing a modern liberal democracy.

    We are well past allowing this shower a fair wind. The government is a mess and the Prime Minister has failed the nation. That said we are also treated to a Labour party completely unfit for office "led" by a man who would be out of his depth as Chairman of a small parish council.

    The situation is dire and so are the political leaders.
    It's hard to see a route out of this.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 87,543
    Paris Saint-Germain have submitted a €270 million (£239m) bid to sign Philippe Coutinho from Barcelona, according to reports in Spain.

    Does financial fair play not apply to PSG?
  • jonny83jonny83 Posts: 1,274
    I would assume with the statement made by No.10 earlier about May fighting any challenge they must know it's at the very least close to the trigger target.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 99,391
    edited July 2018
    MarkHopkins said:

    kle4 said:

    If they don't send in the letters to provoke a contest May should send one in herself - the can won't be kicked any further, it's just pathetic to see some generally sensible Tories delude themselves that this issue is not cutting the party to the core, it is existential, and they cannot sort themselves out without confronting it.


    If TMay resigns to force a contest, then she cannot stand in it.

    I didn't say resign - I said send in a letter calling for a contest (to get the numbers to the required level). It wasn't a serious suggestion, the point was if after all these resignations and the recriminations I will have utter contempt for the rebels/soon to be rulers if theythey hold off on forcing a contest.
  • AlanbrookeAlanbrooke Posts: 26,052
    AndyJS said:

    If calling the referendum was supposed to end the Tories' divisions on Europe, describing it as an epic fail would be something of an understatement.

    Cameron and Osborne's legacy to their party
  • Stark_DawningStark_Dawning Posts: 10,409
    edited July 2018
    Rees-Mogg has ruled himself out as being Foreign Sec.
  • CharlesCharles Posts: 35,758
    Anazina said:

    CarlottaVance said:

    https://twitter.com/paulwaugh/status/1016356907488038913

    LOL. These lobby hacks are as bad as each other.

    They just make stuff up.
    Either he or Laura will be feted as a sage. Until the next time.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 75,267
    Jonathan said:

    JackW said:

    anothernick said:

    JackW said:

    Big_G_NorthWales said:

    Foxy said:

    If May wins a leadership challenge, then she gets year. If she loses, does the new leader also get a year, or are they in peril from day one?

    If she loses we have a full campaign for a new leader with two candidates eventually being put to the membership. This could take all summer
    And what of the country as the Conservatives navel-gaze for months on end ?!?
    Jack a man of your experience and sagacity should know by now that the country is not the Tories' priority. What they are really interested in is their own internal psychodrama and the country is just collateral damage. As the former foreign secretary didn't say, their attitude over the past few years has been "f*ck the country." And they are continuing in that vein.
    I always start from the position of wishing a new administration well and initially allowing them the benefit of the doubt as they wrestle with the complex nature of governing a modern liberal democracy.

    We are well past allowing this shower a fair wind. The government is a mess and the Prime Minister has failed the nation. That said we are also treated to a Labour party completely unfit for office "led" by a man who would be out of his depth as Chairman of a small parish council.

    The situation is dire and so are the political leaders.
    It's hard to see a route out of this.
    If Corbyn and Macdonnell were hit by a rogue elephant high on vodka, and Clive Lewis and Yvette Cooper replaced them, that might do it.

    Otherwise, I think we should just accept we're more fucked than Mrs T.
  • MTimTMTimT Posts: 7,034
    kle4 said:

    TheWhiteRabbit said:

    To estimate the letters Graham Brady has, take you age, less four (if you are a man) or five (if you are not a man) double it, and take off your birthday month.

    Only a handful needed then!
    Eek! 100. For Jack, the number must be nearing infinity ... :)
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 67,962
    Jonathan said:

    JackW said:

    anothernick said:

    JackW said:

    Big_G_NorthWales said:

    Foxy said:

    If May wins a leadership challenge, then she gets year. If she loses, does the new leader also get a year, or are they in peril from day one?

    If she loses we have a full campaign for a new leader with two candidates eventually being put to the membership. This could take all summer
    And what of the country as the Conservatives navel-gaze for months on end ?!?
    Jack a man of your experience and sagacity should know by now that the country is not the Tories' priority. What they are really interested in is their own internal psychodrama and the country is just collateral damage. As the former foreign secretary didn't say, their attitude over the past few years has been "f*ck the country." And they are continuing in that vein.
    I always start from the position of wishing a new administration well and initially allowing them the benefit of the doubt as they wrestle with the complex nature of governing a modern liberal democracy.

    We are well past allowing this shower a fair wind. The government is a mess and the Prime Minister has failed the nation. That said we are also treated to a Labour party completely unfit for office "led" by a man who would be out of his depth as Chairman of a small parish council.

    The situation is dire and so are the political leaders.
    It's hard to see a route out of this.
    We are heading chaotic step by step towards a 2nd vote.
  • JohnOJohnO Posts: 4,313
    So Gove or Hunt as Foreign Secretary? Doubt it’ll be Hague being in the other place. Lidington also possible. Who else?
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 56,314
    Stark_Dawning said:

    Rees-Mogg has ruled himself as being Foreign Sec.

    Should there be an 'out' in there or has he launched a coup?
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 67,962
    MarkHopkins said:

    kle4 said:

    If they don't send in the letters to provoke a contest May should send one in herself - the can won't be kicked any further, it's just pathetic to see some generally sensible Tories delude themselves that this issue is not cutting the party to the core, it is existential, and they cannot sort themselves out without confronting it.


    If TMay resigns to force a contest, then she cannot stand in it.

    https://twitter.com/philipjcowley/status/1016347256340074496
  • CharlesCharles Posts: 35,758
    TheWhiteRabbit said:

    To estimate the letters Graham Brady has, take you age, less four (if you are a man) or five (if you are not a man) double it, and take off your birthday month.

    73... that's probably the number of votes the ERG has, so well done @TheWhiteRabbit
  • AnorakAnorak Posts: 6,621
    https://twitter.com/davidschneider/status/1016328649753153539
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 75,267
    edited July 2018
    JohnO said:

    So Gove or Hunt as Foreign Secretary? Doubt it’ll be Hague being in the other place. Lidington also possible. Who else?

    If even Liam Fox considers Gove alarmingly belligerent, he is unfit to be Foreign Secretary.

    I think however it will have to be a Brexiteer which lets out Hunt. Worryingly that does however seem to leave Andrea Leadsom.
  • jonny83jonny83 Posts: 1,274
    kle4 said:

    If they don't send in the letters to provoke a contest May should send one in herself - the can won't be kicked any further, it's just pathetic to see some generally sensible Tories delude themselves that this issue is not cutting the party to the core, it is existential, and they cannot sort themselves out without confronting it.

    If she was very confident she could win it could she get allies to put letters in?

    I get all this infighting has to stop and she needs to take a gamble here i.e. back me or sack me. Not sure I would be brave enough to do it though.
  • CharlesCharles Posts: 35,758
    ydoethur said:

    Blow job Bojo has blown it yet again.

    Apologies if anyone has made that pun already.

    It's hard to make jokes about fellatio, but they usually come right at the finish.

    And leave a bad taste in the mouth

    boom...tish
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 87,543
    Sky conducting these interviews on parliament green is just stupid.
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 67,962
    Stark_Dawning said:

    Rees-Mogg has ruled himself out as being Foreign Sec.

    Oh, that's good of him.

    Jeez, this is so out of control.
  • not_on_firenot_on_fire Posts: 4,451
    It’s incredibly satisfying watching the Brexiteers gasping for breath as the whole project burns down around them
  • grabcocquegrabcocque Posts: 4,234
    STRONG AND STABLE LEADERSHIP
    IN THE NATIONAL INTEREST
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 123,772
    Simon Hoare for next Tory leader/PM, he'd have my vote

    https://twitter.com/Simon4NDorset/status/1016222087550308352
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 99,391
    rottenborough said:

    MarkHopkins said:

    kle4 said:

    If they don't send in the letters to provoke a contest May should send one in herself - the can won't be kicked any further, it's just pathetic to see some generally sensible Tories delude themselves that this issue is not cutting the party to the core, it is existential, and they cannot sort themselves out without confronting it.


    If TMay resigns to force a contest, then she cannot stand in it.

    https://twitter.com/philipjcowley/status/1016347256340074496
    Funny, but I never said she should resign.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 75,267
    Charles said:

    ydoethur said:

    Blow job Bojo has blown it yet again.

    Apologies if anyone has made that pun already.

    It's hard to make jokes about fellatio, but they usually come right at the finish.

    And leave a bad taste in the mouth

    boom...tish
    That went down like a tongue of bricks.
  • Scott_PScott_P Posts: 51,453
    Jonathan said:

    It's hard to see a route out of this.

    The only route out is more votes...

    General Election probably.

    Referendum maybe.

    Both would require new leadership that doesn't currently exist.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 123,772
    JohnO said:

    So Gove or Hunt as Foreign Secretary? Doubt it’ll be Hague being in the other place. Lidington also possible. Who else?

    Fox, as a reward for his loyalty.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 123,772
    grabcocque said:

    STRONG AND STABLE LEADERSHIP
    IN THE NATIONAL INTEREST

    Welcome back.
  • DecrepitJohnLDecrepitJohnL Posts: 13,300
    grabcocque said:

    STRONG AND STABLE LEADERSHIP
    IN THE NATIONAL INTEREST

    for a smooth and orderly Brexit.
  • MTimTMTimT Posts: 7,034
    Charles said:

    TheWhiteRabbit said:

    To estimate the letters Graham Brady has, take you age, less four (if you are a man) or five (if you are not a man) double it, and take off your birthday month.

    73... that's probably the number of votes the ERG has, so well done @TheWhiteRabbit
    You're younger than I thought.
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 67,962
    kle4 said:

    rottenborough said:

    MarkHopkins said:

    kle4 said:

    If they don't send in the letters to provoke a contest May should send one in herself - the can won't be kicked any further, it's just pathetic to see some generally sensible Tories delude themselves that this issue is not cutting the party to the core, it is existential, and they cannot sort themselves out without confronting it.


    If TMay resigns to force a contest, then she cannot stand in it.

    https://twitter.com/philipjcowley/status/1016347256340074496
    Funny, but I never said she should resign.
    Sorry, not meant at you directly, just thought it was a funny, general comment on all this.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 123,772
    https://twitter.com/sunny_hundal/status/1016362005291249664
  • grabcocquegrabcocque Posts: 4,234
    BREXIT MEANS BREXIT MEANS BREXIT
    STRONG AND STABLE
    leadershipppffffffffkx
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 75,267
    TheScreamingEagles said:

    JohnO said:

    So Gove or Hunt as Foreign Secretary? Doubt it’ll be Hague being in the other place. Lidington also possible. Who else?

    Fox, as a reward for his loyalty.
    I'd a long sight sooner have Fox than Gove. In Werrity, he is not quite so batshit crazy.
  • JonathanJonathan Posts: 22,107
    https://twitter.com/david_cameron/status/595112367358406656?lang=en
  • JohnOJohnO Posts: 4,313
    ydoethur said:

    JohnO said:

    So Gove or Hunt as Foreign Secretary? Doubt it’ll be Hague being in the other place. Lidington also possible. Who else?

    If even Liam Fox considers Gove alarmingly belligerent, he is unfit to be Foreign Secretary.

    I think however it will have to be a Brexiteer which lets out Hunt. Worryingly that does however seem to leave Andrea Leadsom.
    Hunt has effectively recanted his Remain stance. Gove might be rewarded for backing May at the decisive showdown.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 99,391
    Scott_P said:

    Jonathan said:

    It's hard to see a route out of this.

    The only route out is more votes...

    General Election probably.

    Referendum maybe.

    Both would require new leadership that doesn't currently exist.
    Therein lies the problem. They'll be marmalised if there is a vote while they are tearing themselves to pieces, but they cannot make progress without tearing themselves to pieces first, and the act of doing that drastically increases the chances that a GE or referendum will be needed to endorse a massive change in direction.
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 67,962
    grabcocque said:

    STRONG AND STABLE LEADERSHIP
    IN THE NATIONAL INTEREST

    The electorate pretty much saw through that one, and they have been proved right in spades.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 87,543
    TheScreamingEagles said:

    twitter.com/sunny_hundal/status/1016362005291249664

    Not exactly a big turn out from the opposition.
  • MTimTMTimT Posts: 7,034
    Charles said:

    ydoethur said:

    Blow job Bojo has blown it yet again.

    Apologies if anyone has made that pun already.

    It's hard to make jokes about fellatio, but they usually come right at the finish.

    And leave a bad taste in the mouth

    boom...tish
    They are best used when making fun of a sticky issue ...
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 75,267
    TheScreamingEagles said:

    https://twitter.com/sunny_hundal/status/1016362005291249664

    In fairness he Opposition benches are even emptier.
  • JohnOJohnO Posts: 4,313
    TheScreamingEagles said:

    JohnO said:

    So Gove or Hunt as Foreign Secretary? Doubt it’ll be Hague being in the other place. Lidington also possible. Who else?

    Fox, as a reward for his loyalty.
    Yep, certainly a contender.
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 56,314
    ydoethur said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    JohnO said:

    So Gove or Hunt as Foreign Secretary? Doubt it’ll be Hague being in the other place. Lidington also possible. Who else?

    Fox, as a reward for his loyalty.
    I'd a long sight sooner have Fox than Gove. In Werrity, he is not quite so batshit crazy.
    Based on the Ken Clarke unguarded moment that was in the thread header a few days ago, Fox would be a safer pair of hands too.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 99,391
    edited July 2018
    TheScreamingEagles said:

    https://twitter.com/sunny_hundal/status/1016362005291249664

    In fairness it doesn't look like anyone else can be bothered either - what's their excuses? Too busy buying popcorn to laugh at the Tories?
  • CarlottaVanceCarlottaVance Posts: 60,422
    TheScreamingEagles said:

    https://twitter.com/sunny_hundal/status/1016362005291249664

    And what are Labour MPs too busy doing?

    Good exchange between Javid & Abbott.....
  • old_labourold_labour Posts: 3,238
    edited July 2018
    dr_spyn said:

    @jackw good to see that you are posting again.

    :+1:
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 75,267
    williamglenn said:

    ydoethur said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    JohnO said:

    So Gove or Hunt as Foreign Secretary? Doubt it’ll be Hague being in the other place. Lidington also possible. Who else?

    Fox, as a reward for his loyalty.
    I'd a long sight sooner have Fox than Gove. In Werrity, he is not quite so batshit crazy.
    Based on the Ken Clarke unguarded moment that was in the thread header a few days ago, Fox would be a safer pair of hands too.
    That's what I was thinking of.
  • grabcocquegrabcocque Posts: 4,234
    I mean, I had to come back. You didn't think I'd pass up this opportunity to gloat.

    We tried to warn you about May and Brexit and Boris and Mogg and Davis and the whole sorry wall of fuck.

    STRONG AND STABLE
  • JackWJackW Posts: 14,787
    Jonathan said:

    JackW said:

    anothernick said:

    JackW said:

    Big_G_NorthWales said:

    Foxy said:

    If May wins a leadership challenge, then she gets year. If she loses, does the new leader also get a year, or are they in peril from day one?

    If she loses we have a full campaign for a new leader with two candidates eventually being put to the membership. This could take all summer
    And what of the country as the Conservatives navel-gaze for months on end ?!?
    Jack a man of your experience and sagacity should know by now that the country is not the Tories' priority. What they are really interested in is their own internal psychodrama and the country is just collateral damage. As the former foreign secretary didn't say, their attitude over the past few years has been "f*ck the country." And they are continuing in that vein.
    I always start from the position of wishing a new administration well and initially allowing them the benefit of the doubt as they wrestle with the complex nature of governing a modern liberal democracy.

    We are well past allowing this shower a fair wind. The government is a mess and the Prime Minister has failed the nation. That said we are also treated to a Labour party completely unfit for office "led" by a man who would be out of his depth as Chairman of a small parish council.

    The situation is dire and so are the political leaders.
    It's hard to see a route out of this.
    There is always a route out but the road will be laden with huge difficulties and marshaling our direction of travel is a punch drunk government awaiting a pull over from the EU.

    The nation had the right to leave the EU but not the ability to enforce its view of the relationship with the EU. BREXITeers were jubilant of their referendum success without the faintest idea in the short or medium term where we would end up. And thus we are where we are - a complete clusterf*ck.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 75,267
    edited July 2018
    MTimT said:

    Charles said:

    ydoethur said:

    Blow job Bojo has blown it yet again.

    Apologies if anyone has made that pun already.

    It's hard to make jokes about fellatio, but they usually come right at the finish.

    And leave a bad taste in the mouth

    boom...tish
    They are best used when making fun of a sticky issue ...
    I think your pun stands condemned out of your own mouth...
  • JonathanJonathan Posts: 22,107
    Gordon Brown, we miss the quiet stability of your period in office.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 123,772
    JohnO said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    JohnO said:

    So Gove or Hunt as Foreign Secretary? Doubt it’ll be Hague being in the other place. Lidington also possible. Who else?

    Fox, as a reward for his loyalty.
    Yep, certainly a contender.
    He's also been very pragmatic about Brexit, I had him down in the hardline camp.
  • GarethoftheVale2GarethoftheVale2 Posts: 2,414
    TheScreamingEagles said:

    https://twitter.com/sunny_hundal/status/1016362005291249664

    The opposition benches aren't exactly full either
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 75,267
    JackW said:

    Jonathan said:

    JackW said:

    anothernick said:

    JackW said:

    Big_G_NorthWales said:

    Foxy said:

    If May wins a leadership challenge, then she gets year. If she loses, does the new leader also get a year, or are they in peril from day one?

    If she loses we have a full campaign for a new leader with two candidates eventually being put to the membership. This could take all summer
    And what of the country as the Conservatives navel-gaze for months on end ?!?
    Jack a man of your experience and sagacity should know by now that the country is not the Tories' priority. What they are really interested in is their own internal psychodrama and the country is just collateral damage. As the former foreign secretary didn't say, their attitude over the past few years has been "f*ck the country." And they are continuing in that vein.
    I always start from the position of wishing a new administration well and initially allowing them the benefit of the doubt as they wrestle with the complex nature of governing a modern liberal democracy.

    We are well past allowing this shower a fair wind. The government is a mess and the Prime Minister has failed the nation. That said we are also treated to a Labour party completely unfit for office "led" by a man who would be out of his depth as Chairman of a small parish council.

    The situation is dire and so are the political leaders.
    It's hard to see a route out of this.
    There is always a route out but the road will be laden with huge difficulties and marshaling our direction of travel is a punch drunk government awaiting a pull over from the EU.

    The nation had the right to leave the EU but not the ability to enforce its view of the relationship with the EU. BREXITeers were jubilant of their referendum success without the faintest idea in the short or medium term where we would end up. And thus we are where we are - a complete clusterf*ck.
    JackW, I disagree.

    So far we have an incomplete clusterfuck.

    The complete one will come when we exit next March.
  • jonny83jonny83 Posts: 1,274
    edited July 2018
    Conservative party infighting leading to a Corbyn government and the legacy that government would create would not go down well with a lot of people. It would leave scars for decades in Conservative politics.
  • not_on_firenot_on_fire Posts: 4,451
    ydoethur said:

    MTimT said:

    Charles said:

    ydoethur said:

    Blow job Bojo has blown it yet again.

    Apologies if anyone has made that pun already.

    It's hard to make jokes about fellatio, but they usually come right at the finish.

    And leave a bad taste in the mouth

    boom...tish
    They are best used when making fun of a sticky issue ...
    I think your pun stands condemned out of your own mouth...
    Suck it up, losers
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 81,153
    MTimT said:

    Charles said:

    ydoethur said:

    Blow job Bojo has blown it yet again.

    Apologies if anyone has made that pun already.

    It's hard to make jokes about fellatio, but they usually come right at the finish.

    And leave a bad taste in the mouth

    boom...tish
    They are best used when making fun of a sticky issue ...
    Such pun contests rarely have a happy ending.
  • Scott_PScott_P Posts: 51,453
    https://twitter.com/britainelects/status/1016357278612623360
  • JohnOJohnO Posts: 4,313
    TheScreamingEagles said:

    JohnO said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    JohnO said:

    So Gove or Hunt as Foreign Secretary? Doubt it’ll be Hague being in the other place. Lidington also possible. Who else?

    Fox, as a reward for his loyalty.
    Yep, certainly a contender.
    He's also been very pragmatic about Brexit, I had him down in the hardline camp.
    That’s also true: may be the front-runner then. We should know very soon.
  • RecidivistRecidivist Posts: 4,679
    FrancisUrquhart said:

    Anazina said:

    CarlottaVance said:

    https://twitter.com/paulwaugh/status/1016356907488038913

    LOL. These lobby hacks are as bad as each other.

    They just make stuff up.
    It reminds me of school...where rumours would sweep of who pulled who at some party...most of which wasn't based in any reality.
    But I really did snog Katie Hawes. Really. No really.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 75,267
    not_on_fire said:

    ydoethur said:

    MTimT said:

    Charles said:

    ydoethur said:

    Blow job Bojo has blown it yet again.

    Apologies if anyone has made that pun already.

    It's hard to make jokes about fellatio, but they usually come right at the finish.

    And leave a bad taste in the mouth

    boom...tish
    They are best used when making fun of a sticky issue ...
    I think your pun stands condemned out of your own mouth...
    Suck it up, losers
    Are you saying they will have to swallow this?
  • Scott_PScott_P Posts: 51,453
    jonny83 said:

    Conservative party infighting leading to a Corbyn government and the legacy that government would create would not go down well with a lot of people. It would leave scars for decades in the Conservative movement.

    A BETRAYAL Brexit and the legacy that would create would not go down well with a lot of people. It would leave scars for decades in the Conservative movement.

    A Fuck Business Brexit and the legacy that would create would not go down well with a lot of people. It would leave scars for decades in the Conservative movement.

    Pick your poison...
  • CharlesCharles Posts: 35,758
    MTimT said:

    Charles said:

    TheWhiteRabbit said:

    To estimate the letters Graham Brady has, take you age, less four (if you are a man) or five (if you are not a man) double it, and take off your birthday month.

    73... that's probably the number of votes the ERG has, so well done @TheWhiteRabbit
    You're younger than I thought.
    Hah! When I met @SeanT his immediate reaction was that I was 20 years younger than he expected...!

    (I'm not sure if that is a compliment or not...)
  • JackWJackW Posts: 14,787
    TheScreamingEagles said:

    JohnO said:

    So Gove or Hunt as Foreign Secretary? Doubt it’ll be Hague being in the other place. Lidington also possible. Who else?

    Fox, as a reward for his loyalty.
    Only as prisoner swap with our hostages in Iran.
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 67,962
    https://twitter.com/Robert___Harris/status/1016245976300965889
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 123,772
    JohnO said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    JohnO said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    JohnO said:

    So Gove or Hunt as Foreign Secretary? Doubt it’ll be Hague being in the other place. Lidington also possible. Who else?

    Fox, as a reward for his loyalty.
    Yep, certainly a contender.
    He's also been very pragmatic about Brexit, I had him down in the hardline camp.
    That’s also true: may be the front-runner then. We should know very soon.
    Plus he was Shadow Foreign Secretary under Micky Howard, all be it for 7 months.

    Who would have thought there'd be a day when you and I would be relieved at the prospect of Liam Fox becoming Foreign Secretary.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 123,772
    https://twitter.com/Simon_Pegg/status/1016350287269892096
  • CarlottaVanceCarlottaVance Posts: 60,422
    FrancisUrquhart said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    twitter.com/sunny_hundal/status/1016362005291249664

    Not exactly a big turn out from the opposition.
    So far almost all the backbench questions are from Conservatives......(one SNP)....
  • AlanbrookeAlanbrooke Posts: 26,052
    TheScreamingEagles said:

    JohnO said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    JohnO said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    JohnO said:

    So Gove or Hunt as Foreign Secretary? Doubt it’ll be Hague being in the other place. Lidington also possible. Who else?

    Fox, as a reward for his loyalty.
    Yep, certainly a contender.
    He's also been very pragmatic about Brexit, I had him down in the hardline camp.
    That’s also true: may be the front-runner then. We should know very soon.
    Plus he was Shadow Foreign Secretary under Micky Howard, all be it for 7 months.

    Who would have thought there'd be a day when you and I would be relieved at the prospect of Liam Fox becoming Foreign Secretary.
    that's how low Osborne has brought you

    so far
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