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Haverhill is a UKIP gain UKIP 529 Lab 240 Con 54
and also the TC seat UKIP 630 Lab 229 LD 1070 -
If Gove has broken the law then I fully support any action which might be taken in the courts to punish him and reverse any incorrect decisions he may have made.Richard_Tyndall said:
'primary political purpose' is most certainly not a reason to prevent proper public scrutiny of publicly funded organisations. Nor does it matter if it is Gove's or the Government's interest. What matters is whether it is in the public interest to release the information and it appears the Information Commissioner has already ruled that it is.AveryLP said:@Richard_Tyndall
Marks and Spencers are not using public money for their business./ Free Schools are.
I repeat, I am in favour of Free schools. I am also in favour of accountable and open Government. We had to put up with 13 years of Labour hiding everything from us and then lying in the bits of information they did release. I would hope that the Tories would not continue in the same manner.
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Gove's requirements are to release information as required by statute and agreement and to manage additional release in accordance with his and the government's political interests.
There is no doubt that cost information on Free Schools will be made available in due course. But at this stage in the development of the programme it is not in Gove's or to government's interest to foster debate on the costings which would detract from the primary political purpose of the Free Schools initiative.
Managing information is a basic day to day management task.
But even without knowing the detailed facts, I would expect that Gove - more likely than not - is operating within his discretionary powers.
And proper public scrutiny must operate within the limits permitted by law and established practice.
This is not an issue of cost accountability: costs are being used as a proxy for a war on the basic policy. Provided Gove complies with established disclosure requirements then I see no reason why he should be compelled to release discretionary additional information.
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Correction UKIP 529 Lab 240 Con 157 LD 540
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I obviously agree with ALP, although as a Goldman alumnus, I'm not sure my views should be trusted. How big is the EIB, as a matter of interest? And who owns it?AveryLP said:
The frebch are very fond of single state and supra-national investment banks. Remember Jacques Attali, the EBRD and the red travertine marble in the bank's new head office?Alanbrooke said:@Avery
Mr Pole,
how come the our cousins outremanche have got a 80% increase in money from the EIB tp spend on infrastructure - upgraded landing strips for their mistresses presumably - yet the UK which has some of the crappest infrastructure for any advanced country isn't bothering ? What is Gormless george up to or not up to more likely ? I suspect a bad case of Cableitis.
http://www.lefigaro.fr/conjoncture/2014/01/09/20002-20140109ARTFIG00715-l-union-europeenne-n-a-jamais-autant-aide-l-economie-francaise.php
These organisations provide sinecures for loyal hacks and allow politicians to interfere in resource allocation.
The Anglo-Saxon model of having powerful markets and independent distributors of finance is less flawed than the continental model.
Goldman Sachs anyday over the EIB.0 -
@computer1
'O/T Can anyone think why Gove will not produce the figures for the amount of money he is investing in Free Schools?'
Any idea why New Labour refused to disclose the cost of Academies?
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Bloody Hell - Can see UKIP winning some seats in the East of England...0
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Based on a result in a council by election where the turnout was 18.5% ????Pulpstar said:Bloody Hell - Can see UKIP winning some seats in the East of England...
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Capital EUR 242 bn (EUR 71 bn from global markets). Lending EUR 70-75 bn per annum.rcs1000 said:
I obviously agree with ALP, although as a Goldman alumnus, I'm not sure my views should be trusted. How big is the EIB, as a matter of interest? And who owns it?AveryLP said:
The frebch are very fond of single state and supra-national investment banks. Remember Jacques Attali, the EBRD and the red travertine marble in the bank's new head office?Alanbrooke said:@Avery
Mr Pole,
how come the our cousins outremanche have got a 80% increase in money from the EIB tp spend on infrastructure - upgraded landing strips for their mistresses presumably - yet the UK which has some of the crappest infrastructure for any advanced country isn't bothering ? What is Gormless george up to or not up to more likely ? I suspect a bad case of Cableitis.
http://www.lefigaro.fr/conjoncture/2014/01/09/20002-20140109ARTFIG00715-l-union-europeenne-n-a-jamais-autant-aide-l-economie-francaise.php
These organisations provide sinecures for loyal hacks and allow politicians to interfere in resource allocation.
The Anglo-Saxon model of having powerful markets and independent distributors of finance is less flawed than the continental model.
Goldman Sachs anyday over the EIB.
Owned by EU Members with charter requiring it to operate in support of EU policies.
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If Paul Nuttall on QT is any measure, I cannot see the Kippers doing well in Wythenshaw.
Chukka equally useless. Norman Baker dismal.
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If Umunna stands as Labour leader, will this be his "Obama style" catchphrase?
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Was it not Goldman Sachs who facilitated the entry of Greece into the Eurozone with some rather 'creative' accounting? Not sure I would prefer either of them.AveryLP said:
The frebch are very fond of single state and supra-national investment banks. Remember Jacques Attali, the EBRD and the red travertine marble in the bank's new head office?Alanbrooke said:@Avery
Mr Pole,
how come the our cousins outremanche have got a 80% increase in money from the EIB tp spend on infrastructure - upgraded landing strips for their mistresses presumably - yet the UK which has some of the crappest infrastructure for any advanced country isn't bothering ? What is Gormless george up to or not up to more likely ? I suspect a bad case of Cableitis.
http://www.lefigaro.fr/conjoncture/2014/01/09/20002-20140109ARTFIG00715-l-union-europeenne-n-a-jamais-autant-aide-l-economie-francaise.php
These organisations provide sinecures for loyal hacks and allow politicians to interfere in resource allocation.
The Anglo-Saxon model of having powerful markets and independent distributors of finance is less flawed than the continental model.
Goldman Sachs anyday over the EIB.0 -
Scouters have never been popular in Manchester!foxinsoxuk said:If Paul Nuttall on QT is any measure, I cannot see the Kippers doing well in Wythenshaw.
Chukka equally useless. Norman Baker dismal.
Baker was shocking, Chukka is a duplicitous liar, was impressed with Nadine though.0 -
Scousers, sorry.
What happened to the edit button!0 -
Seems to have vanishednigel4england said:Scousers, sorry.
What happened to the edit button!
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I agree, I do not like Nadines politics, but she brings something very different to the Tory party.
It was a pretty poor show. Nuttall is no Farage.nigel4england said:
Scouters have never been popular in Manchester!foxinsoxuk said:If Paul Nuttall on QT is any measure, I cannot see the Kippers doing well in Wythenshaw.
Chukka equally useless. Norman Baker dismal.
Baker was shocking, Chukka is a duplicitous liar, was impressed with Nadine though.0 -
Seems my Question Time assessment was all wrong then
Except Chuka. Sure fire thing he would be crap
How did Fleet Street Fox get on ?
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Was quite impressed with @fleetstreetfox, but it was a pretty dismal BBCQT panel tonight.foxinsoxuk said:
If Paul Nuttall on QT is any measure, I cannot see the Kippers doing well in Wythenshaw.
Chukka equally useless. Norman Baker dismal.0 -
Abbott simultaneously tipping Nick Clegg to lose Hallam and there to be a Lib-Lab coalition in 2015...0
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We are popular the world over.nigel4england said:
Scouters have never been popular in Manchester!foxinsoxuk said:If Paul Nuttall on QT is any measure, I cannot see the Kippers doing well in Wythenshaw.
Chukka equally useless. Norman Baker dismal.
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I'll have to tune in.RodCrosby said:Abbott simultaneously tipping Nick Clegg to lose Hallam and there to be a Lib-Lab coalition in 2015...
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If you look at Hallam you would think it would be prime territory for a LD collapse. Northern, University presence, plenty of public sector professionals. However no-one on here seems to think it's possible.
Miranda Green didn't exactly want to correct her though.0 -
Plus, the fact lots of willing Labour activists are nearby (who will have nowhere else to campaign throughout the election since all the other Sheffield seats are safely Labour), plus the fact even a lot of non-Labour supporters will want to give Clegg a kicking (I understand the point made that some people have local pride in a politician who makes it to the top, but when they get really unpopular it can often be a reverse personal vote, especially since Clegg isn't one of "their own").FrankBooth said:If you look at Hallam you would think it would be prime territory for a LD collapse. Northern, University presence, plenty of public sector professionals. However no-one on here seems to think it's possible.
Miranda Green didn't exactly want to correct her though.
I agree, I think it has major upset potential, although I got shouted down when I suggested that here a few weeks ago. I might break by political-bet virginity and get on a Labour win there...0 -
There are two schools of thought on this - one thinks that Clegg could be in trouble and the other has studied election results in the constituency since 2010.FrankBooth said:If you look at Hallam you would think it would be prime territory for a LD collapse. Northern, University presence, plenty of public sector professionals. However no-one on here seems to think it's possible.
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Also, the more I see of Chuka Umunna, the less impressed I am by him. He just seems another vacuous "charismatic" Blairbot with nothing particularly interesting to say, overly-calculating every statement in order not to offend anyone in true New Labour style. I think people have got thoroughly bored of that type of politician, people now value politicians with authenticity and who come across as "in touch", rather than people with "gravitas" or a celebrity air or whatever.0
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A man looking to his place in history and appearing to be struggling a little (but only a little) with some of his past actions:
http://www.irishtimes.com/news/politics/paisley-expresses-support-for-civil-rights-movement-1.1650266
The interviews look like they will be very interesting.0 -
Elections which have had about half the turnout it will get in 2015.Neil said:
There are two schools of thought on this - one thinks that Clegg could be in trouble and the other has studied election results in the constituency since 2010.FrankBooth said:If you look at Hallam you would think it would be prime territory for a LD collapse. Northern, University presence, plenty of public sector professionals. However no-one on here seems to think it's possible.
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Elections that can be compared to elections held before 2010 (when Clegg won very comfortably). But I'd be more than happy to entertain your virgin political bet if you want to back a Clegg defeat (to anybody) at evens.Danny565 said:
Elections which have had about half the turnout it will get in 2015.Neil said:
There are two schools of thought on this - one thinks that Clegg could be in trouble and the other has studied election results in the constituency since 2010.FrankBooth said:If you look at Hallam you would think it would be prime territory for a LD collapse. Northern, University presence, plenty of public sector professionals. However no-one on here seems to think it's possible.
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A third school. Those who have studied election results since 1900...Neil said:
There are two schools of thought on this - one thinks that Clegg could be in trouble and the other has studied election results in the constituency since 2010.FrankBooth said:If you look at Hallam you would think it would be prime territory for a LD collapse. Northern, University presence, plenty of public sector professionals. However no-one on here seems to think it's possible.
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Dont you find that women have kindof ruined things since 1918?RodCrosby said:
A third school. Those who have studied election results since 1900...Neil said:
There are two schools of thought on this - one thinks that Clegg could be in trouble and the other has studied election results in the constituency since 2010.FrankBooth said:If you look at Hallam you would think it would be prime territory for a LD collapse. Northern, University presence, plenty of public sector professionals. However no-one on here seems to think it's possible.
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Neil - why are election results since 2010 so important? They are local council elections and usually on a very low turnout. Much of it will have to do with the internal politics of Sheffield and the reputation of the local party. A general election is a different matter.
I still expect Clegg to win though. Bruised but not defeated.0 -
No idea, but what a breath of fresh air after being spoonfed modern 'cool' middle class socialism and feminism Owen Jones and Laurie Penny style when they both got guest slots on the BBCQT panel. Hope we see more of Fleetstreet fox, Dan Hodges and Atul Hatwal who don't preach but question the motives or direction of the Labour party to give a bit of balance to coverage of the left leaning media. We could do with a bit more than partisan Labour disciples like Maguire & Co. Tim Montgomerie & Fraser Nelson etc didn't find a niche for themselves as right wing opinion formers in the media by simple delivering a partisan on message Conservative line on the issues of the day. Just saying.....Pulpstar said:
Seems my Question Time assessment was all wrong then
Except Chuka. Sure fire thing he would be crap
How did Fleet Street Fox get on ?0 -
Oh! I thought it stood for "Old Grumpy Head". *Innocent face*MikeSmithson said:IA has been with the site almost from the start in 2004 and it was he who first coined the term "Our Genial Host" OGH.
Bring back SeanT! Free the Thailand One! *runs for cover*0 -
What and where is the "troll/spam button/alert" thingy which was mentioned in a previous thread? I can't see/find any such thing.0
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EU money being used to shore up the French economy to try and stop their drift towards the rebel alliance.Alanbrooke said:@Avery
Mr Pole,
how come the our cousins outremanche have got a 80% increase in money from the EIB tp spend on infrastructure - upgraded landing strips for their mistresses presumably - yet the UK which has some of the crappest infrastructure for any advanced country isn't bothering ? What is Gormless george up to or not up to more likely ? I suspect a bad case of Cableitis.
http://www.lefigaro.fr/conjoncture/2014/01/09/20002-20140109ARTFIG00715-l-union-europeenne-n-a-jamais-autant-aide-l-economie-francaise.php0
