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Just 2 on the long list. I'd suggest that c. assuming that the negotiations could be based on resolving conflicts in the Tory party and d. asserting the will of the pensioners against the workers would ever be sustainable in the opposition of of businesses and working people.houndtang said:The biggest errors have been a. Bothering to negotiate with the EU at all and b. Ramping things up about red lines so that a humiliation was inevitable.
I'm sure it would be a long list if we keep going.0 -
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Don't get them started on soft fruit again!Scott_P said:0 -
He must be the only farmer in Faversham planning to expand on fruit production. Most of them are intent on turning their fields over to housebuilding as fast as planning laws will let them!Scott_P said:
Edit: pardon my brief NIMBY moment there...0 -
Bucks Fizz: the Brexiters’ spoonerism of choice.AlastairMeeks said:
Cheryl Baker is very well-qualified. Like the Leaver Cabinet ministers, she knows all about the Land Of Make Believe and unlike the Leaver Cabinet ministers she knows all about Making Your Mind Up.TGOHF said:
Cheryl Baker has more chance.TheScreamingEagles said:Tip of the day.
Steve Baker next PM @ 125/1 with Shadsy.
https://sports.ladbrokes.com/en-gb/betting/politics/uk/uk-politics/next-prime-minister/224910701/0 -
Well spotted! Though Cheryl Baker did make her name on the European stage.Polruan said:
Bucks Fizz: the Brexiters’ spoonerism of choice.AlastairMeeks said:
Cheryl Baker is very well-qualified. Like the Leaver Cabinet ministers, she knows all about the Land Of Make Believe and unlike the Leaver Cabinet ministers she knows all about Making Your Mind Up.TGOHF said:
Cheryl Baker has more chance.TheScreamingEagles said:Tip of the day.
Steve Baker next PM @ 125/1 with Shadsy.
https://sports.ladbrokes.com/en-gb/betting/politics/uk/uk-politics/next-prime-minister/224910701/
In other news, Bone wins the prize for loyalty:
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See I said that three hours ago.Scott_P said:https://twitter.com/jennirsl/status/1015193577629147136
"Johnson wants a hard one." Fnarr, fnarr
Boris is a shit.0 -
My money is on Professor Plum with the lead pipe in the Library.Scott_P said:https://twitter.com/jennirsl/status/1015193577629147136
"Johnson wants a hard one." Fnarr, fnarr0 -
Not true in either the polls, where the Tories are ahead, or May's local elections where the Tories tied Labour.surby said:
The Tories are getting hammered. Tactical anti-Tory voting is back.logical_song said:
Other Britain Elects posts include:bigjohnowls said:LAB: 60.4% (+27.2)
CON: 33.0% (-8.4)
LDEM: 6.6% (+6.6)
No UKIP (-25.4) as prev.
Labour GAIN from Conservative.
Ohhhh Jereeemmmy Cooorrrbbbbyyyyynnnn
YG are the new ICM Kaboooomers presumanly
Kingsmead (Bath & North East Somerset) result:
LDEM: 41.1% (+10.0)
LAB: 24.6% (+11.6)
CON: 21.3% (-6.8)
GRN: 13.0% (-9.5)
LDem GAIN from Con.
No UKIP (-5.3) as prev.
On "the UK changing the electoral system from First Past the Post to a system of Proportional Representation":
Support: 51%
Oppose: 13%
"I think the share of seats a party wins should closely match the share of votes it receives":
Agree: 66%
Disagree: 7%
Even William Hague gained council by elections every Thursday, that is the bare minimum an opposition leader needs to achieve0 -
Jenni Russell's other tweet backs you up:TheScreamingEagles said:
See I said that three hours ago.Scott_P said:https://twitter.com/jennirsl/status/1015193577629147136
"Johnson wants a hard one." Fnarr, fnarr
Boris is a shit.
https://twitter.com/jennirsl/status/10151857679231098890 -
What really kills governments is incompetence, lack of direction and infighting. May has the full house of these.HYUFD said:
Not true in either the polls, where the Tories are ahead, or May's local elections where the Tories tied Labour.surby said:
The Tories are getting hammered. Tactical anti-Tory voting is back.logical_song said:
Other Britain Elects posts include:bigjohnowls said:LAB: 60.4% (+27.2)
CON: 33.0% (-8.4)
LDEM: 6.6% (+6.6)
No UKIP (-25.4) as prev.
Labour GAIN from Conservative.
Ohhhh Jereeemmmy Cooorrrbbbbyyyyynnnn
YG are the new ICM Kaboooomers presumanly
Kingsmead (Bath & North East Somerset) result:
LDEM: 41.1% (+10.0)
LAB: 24.6% (+11.6)
CON: 21.3% (-6.8)
GRN: 13.0% (-9.5)
LDem GAIN from Con.
No UKIP (-5.3) as prev.
On "the UK changing the electoral system from First Past the Post to a system of Proportional Representation":
Support: 51%
Oppose: 13%
"I think the share of seats a party wins should closely match the share of votes it receives":
Agree: 66%
Disagree: 7%
Even William Hague gained council by elections every Thursday, that is the bare minimum an opposition leader needs to achieve0 -
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And if the EU accept it, then it must REALLY be a crap deal.....TGOHF said:
Why resign ? She's so weak they don't have to. Dare her to fire them.David_Evershed said:Not a good tactic for the Brexiteers to resign today.
Best to keep powder dry and organise a challenge to May as Conservative leader - then resign en bloc.
Exit meeting - leak its a crap deal. Wait for the EU to reject it. Say I told you so..0 -
Bravo.Polruan said:
Bucks Fizz: the Brexiters’ spoonerism of choice.AlastairMeeks said:Cheryl Baker is very well-qualified. Like the Leaver Cabinet ministers, she knows all about the Land Of Make Believe and unlike the Leaver Cabinet ministers she knows all about Making Your Mind Up.
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The Commons has voted by a 200 vote majority to leave the single market, with 400 seats having voted Leave a majority of MPs are not going to vote to keep free movement unchecked and without any new controls as they know it would be political suicide in their constituencies.MaxPB said:
I think parliament doing it against the wishes of the leadership would also get the Tories off the hook for not restricting free movement and keep the party in the running g for 2022.TOPPING said:
As I posted upthread it is the only and logical outcome. We have already compromised to get to the third way. For all kinds of reasons that will prove impossible, so it is only a small compromise further to get to EEA/EFTA.MaxPB said:If this all ends with Parliament voting through leaving to the EEA/EFTA it would be a solid result in the end. It's definitely preferable to whatever frankenbrexit Theresa has come up with.
And as it happens Dr North is in agreement also.
EEA/EFTA is only an option in a decade once immigration has been brought down and under control0 -
It is why if we had voted to Remain we would be in ever closer union, despite what Call Me Dave's Neville Chamberlain-esque deal said.williamglenn said:
The UKs position of being in the EU, but on a different track to every other nation that is being driven by the EU centre towards an ever closer integration can't work. We are either in or out.0 -
Not always if the alternative is worse see 1992 and even in 2010 voters balked at replacing Brown with a Tory majority given the prospect of heavy austerityFoxy said:
What really kills governments is incompetence, lack of direction and infighting. May has the full house of these.HYUFD said:
Not true in either the polls, where the Tories are ahead, or May's local elections where the Tories tied Labour.surby said:
The Tories are getting hammered. Tactical anti-Tory voting is back.logical_song said:
Other Britain Elects posts include:bigjohnowls said:LAB: 60.4% (+27.2)
CON: 33.0% (-8.4)
LDEM: 6.6% (+6.6)
No UKIP (-25.4) as prev.
Labour GAIN from Conservative.
Ohhhh Jereeemmmy Cooorrrbbbbyyyyynnnn
YG are the new ICM Kaboooomers presumanly
Kingsmead (Bath & North East Somerset) result:
LDEM: 41.1% (+10.0)
LAB: 24.6% (+11.6)
CON: 21.3% (-6.8)
GRN: 13.0% (-9.5)
LDem GAIN from Con.
No UKIP (-5.3) as prev.
On "the UK changing the electoral system from First Past the Post to a system of Proportional Representation":
Support: 51%
Oppose: 13%
"I think the share of seats a party wins should closely match the share of votes it receives":
Agree: 66%
Disagree: 7%
Even William Hague gained council by elections every Thursday, that is the bare minimum an opposition leader needs to achieve0 -
We're probably more integrated now than we were in 2016 in most practical ways, and geopolitically our interests are more aligned with the rest of Europe than at any time.FrancisUrquhart said:
It is why if we had voted to Remain we would be in ever closer union, despite what Call Me Dave's Neville Chamberlain-esque deal said.williamglenn said:
The UKs position of being in the EU, but on a different path to every closer integration can't work. We are either in or out.0 -
History is full of countries who didn't have strong military and then suffered for itsurby said:
In any case I do not want the UK to be in the top 5 militarily in the EU. We will save a lot of money.CarlottaVance said:
“We would not understand if the UK falls out of the Galileo project.surby said:
“Beyond all the bickering and tactics and negotiation, both sides have a strong interest for further close cooperation with the UK on security and defence matters.
“There are only two serious military forces in the EU today and one is the UK. Guess who is the other; it’s not Germany.”0 -
It wasn't a pro / anti Brexit point, just a fact. For many closer union is a good thing, for others not.williamglenn said:
We're probably more integrated now than we were in 2016 in most practical ways, and geopolitically our interests are more aligned with the rest of Europe than at any time.FrancisUrquhart said:
It is why if we had voted to Remain we would be in ever closer union, despite what Call Me Dave's Neville Chamberlain-esque deal said.williamglenn said:
The UKs position of being in the EU, but on a different path to every closer integration can't work. We are either in or out.
My point was that option wasn't Remain with the same level of integration vs leave (with unknown level of tied to EU), it was every closer union vs who knows.0 -
An old friend from uni lives now in the Alps, working as a chef at a ski resort.
I noticed a strange facebook post from him this morning, "Today we're with the bruises. That's my!!"
I was worried for a moment that he'd had a fall snowboarding, or been beaten up.
Then realised it was auto translated by facebook from, "Aujourd'hui on est avec les bleus. C'mon!!"
He's just supporting France today
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I agree with you, but I just think that if voting for Brexit forces us to confront that reality, it can only lead to us choosing 'in' in the end. 'Soft Brexit' is just another way of deluding ourselves.FrancisUrquhart said:
It wasn't a pro / anti Brexit point, just a fact. For many closer union is a good thing, for others not. My point was that option wasn't Remain with the same level of integration vs leave (with unknown level of tied to EU), it was every closer union vs who knows.williamglenn said:
We're probably more integrated now than we were in 2016 in most practical ways, and geopolitically our interests are more aligned with the rest of Europe than at any time.FrancisUrquhart said:
It is why if we had voted to Remain we would be in ever closer union, despite what Call Me Dave's Neville Chamberlain-esque deal said.williamglenn said:
The UKs position of being in the EU, but on a different path to every closer integration can't work. We are either in or out.0 -
That's a pretty damn big fail by the auto-translate.JonnyJimmy said:An old friend from uni lives now in the Alps, working as a chef at a ski resort.
I noticed a strange facebook post from him this morning, "Today we're with the bruises. That's my!!"
I was worried for a moment that he'd had a fall snowboarding, or been beaten up.
Then realised it was auto translated by facebook from, "Aujourd'hui on est avec les bleus. C'mon!!"
He's just supporting France today0 -
Surely someone has to resign today. If we get the usual 'Cabinet now more unified and content than they've been in decades' stuff only for Boris to recommence his sniping within days, then I'll be peeved.0
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Quotes from Dr Noth article:TOPPING said:
As I posted upthread it is the only and logical outcome. We have already compromised to get to the third way. For all kinds of reasons that will prove impossible, so it is only a small compromise further to get to EEA/EFTA.MaxPB said:If this all ends with Parliament voting through leaving to the EEA/EFTA it would be a solid result in the end. It's definitely preferable to whatever frankenbrexit Theresa has come up with.
And as it happens Dr North is in agreement also.
"I used to work with Owen Paterson as his confidential political advisor – which I did for well over a decade, until just after the EU referendum – part of my job was to talk him down from some of the more stupid positions he would occasionally adopt."
Wow, that must have been a full time job.0 -
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I thought the polls were unchanged on this topic? In any case, ~thirty years is the baseline for time between EU referendums.Anorak said:0 -
We've had an artificial argument for the last two years.
In 1975, free trade was the issue, and rightly so. We voted in favour of a free trade in goods. Issues like standardisation follow on logically but I'm still not sure why FOM does too.
Now we have a problem with freedom of movement. You can call this a 'tidying up exercise' but it's proved to be a sticking point. Not just here but across the EU, and this will continue while the EU persist in linking these two things.
We've avoided an in depth analysis because of a fear of being thought racist, although you could also argue it's racist to separate out certain predominantly white European nations.
I have sympathy for the concept of completely open borders. However, the loss of control as much as the practicability makes me have doubts. Restricting this concept to 27 favoured countries is a fudge anyway. I understand it was brought in to move on to a European federation/single country where borders would be illogical anyway.
If we had voted in a referendum on this issue as it came up, it would have made make sense. Total Brexit may never have been necessary. Now the economic, trade and border issues have been entangled, matters have become confused.
I'm not apportioning blame although it's very tempting, but can we at least have a sensible conversation now? Or the bitterness will never subside.
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williamglenn said:
What a horror vision of continental hegemony.
L’etat c’est moi would fit Barnier to a T.
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http://uk.businessinsider.com/britain-bregret-theresa-may-soft-brexit-2018-5RobD said:
I thought the polls were unchanged on this topic? In any case, ~thirty years is the baseline for time between EU referendums.Anorak said:
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Right now I think they're leaning towards not, unless they get their own way. In the grand scheme of things it's not that much money really.MarqueeMark said:0 -
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Did someone say margin of error?logical_song said:
http://uk.businessinsider.com/britain-bregret-theresa-may-soft-brexit-2018-5RobD said:
I thought the polls were unchanged on this topic? In any case, ~thirty years is the baseline for time between EU referendums.Anorak said:0 -
The vision of the EU doesn’t fit with a common law jursidiction. This is the fundamental contradiction that led to Brexit.welshowl said:williamglenn said:
What a horror vision of continental hegemony.
L’etat c’est moi would fit Barnier to a T.0 -
Shadsy is offering 9/4 against any resignations before the end of the weekend (check the timeframe but I think that's right).Stark_Dawning said:Surely someone has to resign today. If we get the usual 'Cabinet now more unified and content than they've been in decades' stuff only for Boris to recommence his sniping within days, then I'll be peeved.
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Talking of Bucks Fizz - now the FIzz following endless legal wrangles - does the apparently defunct Aston's taxi service have any connection to Jay Aston the other female member? She was a better singer than Cheryl Baker but never quite got the same recognition.Foxy said:
Well spotted! Though Cheryl Baker did make her name on the European stage.Polruan said:
Bucks Fizz: the Brexiters’ spoonerism of choice.AlastairMeeks said:
Cheryl Baker is very well-qualified. Like the Leaver Cabinet ministers, she knows all about the Land Of Make Believe and unlike the Leaver Cabinet ministers she knows all about Making Your Mind Up.TGOHF said:
Cheryl Baker has more chance.TheScreamingEagles said:Tip of the day.
Steve Baker next PM @ 125/1 with Shadsy.
https://sports.ladbrokes.com/en-gb/betting/politics/uk/uk-politics/next-prime-minister/224910701/
In other news, Bone wins the prize for loyalty:
https://twitter.com/PeterBoneUK/status/1015152226719977472?s=19
Her middle name is also Hilda - the same as the last bl**dy difficult woman to occupy No10!
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jay_Aston
The group also released run for your life - which might be necessary if there are no taxis.0 -
Why would anyone love having a security team?CarlottaVance said:0 -
If there's an inherent contradiction with the UK, it's not common law per se, but the fact that we are ourselves a union of nations without a written constitution.Mortimer said:
The vision of the EU doesn’t fit with a common law jursidiction. This is the fundamental contradiction that led to Brexit.welshowl said:williamglenn said:
What a horror vision of continental hegemony.
L’etat c’est moi would fit Barnier to a T.0 -
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The Canadian prime minister, Justin Trudeau, has for the first time publicly acknowledged that he apologised in 2000 to a reporter who alleged he groped her, but said he was very confident he did not act inappropriately.
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2018/jul/06/trudeau-i-apologised-at-once-to-reporter-behind-groping-claim-canada-2000-music-festival0 -
Having outriders with your chauffeur driven ministerial car, police escorts and special branch men with earpieces around you does wonders for the ego I imagine and only the PM, the Home and Foreign and Northern Ireland Secretaries and the Leader of the Opposition during a general election get that treatment amongst politicians and only senior royals and the Heads of MI5 and MI6 beyond themrottenborough said:
Why would anyone love having a security team?CarlottaVance said:0 -
It's like Tebbit said, "Get on your bike!"CD13 said:In 1975, free trade was the issue, and rightly so. We voted in favour of a free trade in goods. Issues like standardisation follow on logically but I'm still not sure why FOM does too.
For an economy to function efficiently Labour needs to be free to move to where it is needed. The idea of the Common, and now Single, Market was to create a larger economy with the advantages of scale enjoyed by the US so that Europe could continue to compete.0 -
So more huffing, puffing and ponderous piffle from Boris, Fox, JRM etc all over the rest of the weekend, but no actual action on their part.CarlottaVance said:
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How are we hearing this of their phones have been taken away.CarlottaVance said:
Frankly, the may proposal does not sound, well, sound in that the EU will reject it, but a confrontation should occur so she sacks people or gets ousted, so we at least know which tory faction is winning0 -
Carrier pigeon?kle4 said:
How are we hearing this of their phones have been taken away.CarlottaVance said:
Frankly, the may proposal does not sound, well, sound in that the EU will reject it, but a confrontation should occur so she sacks people or gets ousted, so we at least know which tory faction is winning0 -
No deal it is then.CarlottaVance said:0 -
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Barnier: Theresa May has asked me to wait a while before rejecting her proposal and that is what I will do.
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Oooooh, I thought was by the end of today. I might be tempted into making a almost certainly losing bet on someone to walk before Monday.david_herdson said:
Shadsy is offering 9/4 against any resignations before the end of the weekend (check the timeframe but I think that's right).Stark_Dawning said:Surely someone has to resign today. If we get the usual 'Cabinet now more unified and content than they've been in decades' stuff only for Boris to recommence his sniping within days, then I'll be peeved.
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You're reading too much into a local by-election.surby said:
The Tories are getting hammered. Tactical anti-Tory voting is back.logical_song said:
Other Britain Elects posts include:bigjohnowls said:LAB: 60.4% (+27.2)
CON: 33.0% (-8.4)
LDEM: 6.6% (+6.6)
No UKIP (-25.4) as prev.
Labour GAIN from Conservative.
Ohhhh Jereeemmmy Cooorrrbbbbyyyyynnnn
YG are the new ICM Kaboooomers presumanly
Kingsmead (Bath & North East Somerset) result:
LDEM: 41.1% (+10.0)
LAB: 24.6% (+11.6)
CON: 21.3% (-6.8)
GRN: 13.0% (-9.5)
LDem GAIN from Con.
No UKIP (-5.3) as prev.
On "the UK changing the electoral system from First Past the Post to a system of Proportional Representation":
Support: 51%
Oppose: 13%
"I think the share of seats a party wins should closely match the share of votes it receives":
Agree: 66%
Disagree: 7%
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Mr SumMe,
"For an economy to function efficiently Labour needs to be free to move to where it is needed."
That would certainly suggest that completely open borders should apply. For maximum economic gain, then it should be world-wide, surely? You don't think that might produce an element of strain if 600 billion Chinese wanted to move to California?0 -
Lets just make sure that we can all maturely get past it and treat it in the same respectful way that we all did with Donald Trump.FrancisUrquhart said:The Canadian prime minister, Justin Trudeau, has for the first time publicly acknowledged that he apologised in 2000 to a reporter who alleged he groped her, but said he was very confident he did not act inappropriately.
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2018/jul/06/trudeau-i-apologised-at-once-to-reporter-behind-groping-claim-canada-2000-music-festival0 -
Open borders work fine for nations which are peaceful and at roughly the same GDP per capita.CD13 said:Mr SumMe,
"For an economy to function efficiently Labour needs to be free to move to where it is needed."
That would certainly suggest that completely open borders should apply. For maximum economic gain, then it should be world-wide, surely? You don't think that might produce an element of strain if 600 billion Chinese wanted to move to California?
Opening it to all means mass exodus from poorer to richer nations placing huge strain on the latter0 -
EU: we are waiting for the UK to set out its position
UK: here you go...
EU: go f*ck yourself
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That's a straw-man given that nobody is proposing that at the moment and even if some people think it might become desirable in a world which had roughly equal levels of development, it is not something that the *European* Union is going to deliver.CD13 said:Mr SumMe,
"For an economy to function efficiently Labour needs to be free to move to where it is needed."
That would certainly suggest that completely open borders should apply. For maximum economic gain, then it should be world-wide, surely? You don't think that might produce an element of strain if 600 billion Chinese wanted to move to California?0 -
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That would be quite an event.CD13 said:Mr SumMe,
"For an economy to function efficiently Labour needs to be free to move to where it is needed."
That would certainly suggest that completely open borders should apply. For maximum economic gain, then it should be world-wide, surely? You don't think that might produce an element of strain if 600 billion Chinese wanted to move to California?
How many population are there in China?
1.379 billion
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Outstanding.Polruan said:
Bucks Fizz: the Brexiters’ spoonerism of choice.AlastairMeeks said:
Cheryl Baker is very well-qualified. Like the Leaver Cabinet ministers, she knows all about the Land Of Make Believe and unlike the Leaver Cabinet ministers she knows all about Making Your Mind Up.TGOHF said:
Cheryl Baker has more chance.TheScreamingEagles said:Tip of the day.
Steve Baker next PM @ 125/1 with Shadsy.
https://sports.ladbrokes.com/en-gb/betting/politics/uk/uk-politics/next-prime-minister/224910701/0 -
And even more full of countries that bankrupted themselves through overspending on the military.ExiledInScotland said:
History is full of countries who didn't have strong military and then suffered for itsurby said:
In any case I do not want the UK to be in the top 5 militarily in the EU. We will save a lot of money.CarlottaVance said:
“We would not understand if the UK falls out of the Galileo project.surby said:
“Beyond all the bickering and tactics and negotiation, both sides have a strong interest for further close cooperation with the UK on security and defence matters.
“There are only two serious military forces in the EU today and one is the UK. Guess who is the other; it’s not Germany.”0 -
My HYFUD,
It's a good job that Keith Vaz met the only Rumanian to arrive.
I'd favour selective immigration. Based on value rather than skin colour. We racists are picky.0 -
True, the Bremorse may be even greater.RobD said:
Did someone say margin of error?logical_song said:
http://uk.businessinsider.com/britain-bregret-theresa-may-soft-brexit-2018-5RobD said:
I thought the polls were unchanged on this topic? In any case, ~thirty years is the baseline for time between EU referendums.Anorak said:0 -
Mr Song,
You may have put your finger on my minor decimal error. As an ex-scientist, I will do several mea culpas.
Anyway, I have to take the 100,000A bus and do some shopping0 -
Hilarious Desperation. The poll doesnt show what the headline hopes it claims. I'll quote:logical_song said:
http://uk.businessinsider.com/britain-bregret-theresa-may-soft-brexit-2018-5RobD said:
I thought the polls were unchanged on this topic? In any case, ~thirty years is the baseline for time between EU referendums.Anorak said:
"The 1% difference is within the margin of error."
Right 43% wrong 44%
They even more absurdly show a graph on how opinion polling has shifted since the referendum. The chart shows 'May' but it has a gap and it looks like theyve excluded the may results because they dont actually help their argument
http://static4.uk.businessinsider.com/image/5b0ecba47708e9644f558158-1200/opinion poll brexit right or wrong.jpg
It calls itself Business Insider, it wasnt even worth turning the ad blocker for. If someone here tried to make those kind of claims they would get rightly torn apart. Absolutely utterly pathetic.0 -
No it’s more likeCasino_Royale said:EU: we are waiting for the UK to set out its position
UK: here you go...
EU: go f*ck yourself
(rinse & repeat)
EU: we are waiting for the UK to set out its position.
UK: We’d like to keep these benefits of membership without any of the obligations
EU: Er, aren’t you listening? We’ve already told you that you can’t have that. It would undermine the whole point of membership.
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Thank God! Vote Leave did not say 1.379m were on their way to the UK.logical_song said:
That would be quite an event.CD13 said:Mr SumMe,
"For an economy to function efficiently Labour needs to be free to move to where it is needed."
That would certainly suggest that completely open borders should apply. For maximum economic gain, then it should be world-wide, surely? You don't think that might produce an element of strain if 600 billion Chinese wanted to move to California?
How many population are there in China?
1.379 billion
20160 -
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They can't even call Uber. Boris could do with a walk to the station.CarlottaVance said:0 -
Good afternoon, everyone.
F1: no huge surprises in first practice. Grosjean appears to have his mojo back.0 -
Written constitutions are for those without imagination or an interest in history.williamglenn said:
If there's an inherent contradiction with the UK, it's not common law per se, but the fact that we are ourselves a union of nations without a written constitution.Mortimer said:
The vision of the EU doesn’t fit with a common law jursidiction. This is the fundamental contradiction that led to Brexit.welshowl said:williamglenn said:
What a horror vision of continental hegemony.
L’etat c’est moi would fit Barnier to a T.
GB has survived for over 300 years, and with a Union of Crowns for over 100 years more.
Come back with your Eurobabble when it has survived longer than that.0 -
No. It isn’t at all. The UK is proposing a sensible balance of costs/commitments/obligations in certain areas (goods) and detachment in others (services) on a quid pro quo basis. The EU is pushing for ideological fundamentalism on an all or nothing approach, and is shamelessly using NI (a very delicate political situation) as a lever to do this.rpjs said:
No it’s more likeCasino_Royale said:EU: we are waiting for the UK to set out its position
UK: here you go...
EU: go f*ck yourself
(rinse & repeat)
EU: we are waiting for the UK to set out its position.
UK: We’d like to keep these benefits of membership without any of the obligations
EU: Er, aren’t you listening? We’ve already told you that you can’t have that. It would undermine the whole point of membership.
(rinse & repeat)
I think it’s disgusting and I’m surprised you don’t too.
How depressing it is to see you supporting the aggressive provocations of a foreign power rather than your own country.0 -
"GB has survived" - that's an interesting choice of words. I presume on that basis the Northern Ireland backstop will be no sacrifice at all in order to achieve Brexit?Mortimer said:
Written constitutions are for those without imagination or an interest in history.williamglenn said:
If there's an inherent contradiction with the UK, it's not common law per se, but the fact that we are ourselves a union of nations without a written constitution.Mortimer said:
The vision of the EU doesn’t fit with a common law jursidiction. This is the fundamental contradiction that led to Brexit.welshowl said:williamglenn said:
What a horror vision of continental hegemony.
L’etat c’est moi would fit Barnier to a T.
GB has survived for over 300 years, and with a Union of Crowns for over 100 years more.
Come back with your Eurobabble when it has survived longer than that.0 -
It’s perfectly obvious that NI needs a special status with both the EU and UK that both the EU and UK can recognise.williamglenn said:
"GB has survived" - that's an interesting choice of words. I presume on that basis the Northern Ireland backstop will be no sacrifice at all in order to achieve Brexit?Mortimer said:
Written constitutions are for those without imagination or an interest in history.williamglenn said:
If there's an inherent contradiction with the UK, it's not common law per se, but the fact that we are ourselves a union of nations without a written constitution.Mortimer said:
The vision of the EU doesn’t fit with a common law jursidiction. This is the fundamental contradiction that led to Brexit.welshowl said:williamglenn said:
What a horror vision of continental hegemony.
L’etat c’est moi would fit Barnier to a T.
GB has survived for over 300 years, and with a Union of Crowns for over 100 years more.
Come back with your Eurobabble when it has survived longer than that.0 -
Nit picking.notme said:
Hilarious Desperation. The poll doesnt show what the headline hopes it claims. I'll quote:logical_song said:
http://uk.businessinsider.com/britain-bregret-theresa-may-soft-brexit-2018-5RobD said:
I thought the polls were unchanged on this topic? In any case, ~thirty years is the baseline for time between EU referendums.Anorak said:
"The 1% difference is within the margin of error."
Right 43% wrong 44%
They even more absurdly show a graph on how opinion polling has shifted since the referendum. The chart shows 'May' but it has a gap and it looks like theyve excluded the may results because they dont actually help their argument
http://static4.uk.businessinsider.com/image/5b0ecba47708e9644f558158-1200/opinion poll brexit right or wrong.jpg
It calls itself Business Insider, it wasnt even worth turning the ad blocker for. If someone here tried to make those kind of claims they would get rightly torn apart. Absolutely utterly pathetic.
Do you not accept that the trend is for more people to regret Brexit as time passes?
OK, there will always be margins of error in all polls, but don't forget that that works both ways.
https://yougov.co.uk/news/2018/06/23/eu-referendum-two-years/0 -
SeanT was telling us that a public footpaths runs right alongside Chequers ('Because this is England...'). Handy!surby said:
They can't even call Uber. Boris could do with a walk to the station.CarlottaVance said:0 -
Yes, if you want to ignore the whole thing with Ireland then it has.Mortimer said:
Written constitutions are for those without imagination or an interest in history.williamglenn said:
If there's an inherent contradiction with the UK, it's not common law per se, but the fact that we are ourselves a union of nations without a written constitution.Mortimer said:
The vision of the EU doesn’t fit with a common law jursidiction. This is the fundamental contradiction that led to Brexit.welshowl said:williamglenn said:
What a horror vision of continental hegemony.
L’etat c’est moi would fit Barnier to a T.
GB has survived for over 300 years, and with a Union of Crowns for over 100 years more.
Come back with your Eurobabble when it has survived longer than that.0 -
With a customs border where?Casino_Royale said:
It’s perfectly obvious that NI needs a special status with both the EU and UK that both the EU and UK can recognise.williamglenn said:
"GB has survived" - that's an interesting choice of words. I presume on that basis the Northern Ireland backstop will be no sacrifice at all in order to achieve Brexit?Mortimer said:
Written constitutions are for those without imagination or an interest in history.williamglenn said:
If there's an inherent contradiction with the UK, it's not common law per se, but the fact that we are ourselves a union of nations without a written constitution.Mortimer said:
The vision of the EU doesn’t fit with a common law jursidiction. This is the fundamental contradiction that led to Brexit.welshowl said:williamglenn said:
What a horror vision of continental hegemony.
L’etat c’est moi would fit Barnier to a T.
GB has survived for over 300 years, and with a Union of Crowns for over 100 years more.
Come back with your Eurobabble when it has survived longer than that.0 -
It’s very revealing.RoyalBlue said:
It’s evidence that NI is only being used (shamelessly and recklessly) to force the UK into a softer Brexit.0 -
If economic efficiency were your only guiding principle, then yes, with the added benefit that you also increase everyone's individual liberty.CD13 said:Mr SumMe,
"For an economy to function efficiently Labour needs to be free to move to where it is needed."
That would certainly suggest that completely open borders should apply. For maximum economic gain, then it should be world-wide, surely? You don't think that might produce an element of strain if 600 billion Chinese wanted to move to California?
You could argue that it would make sense to work towards such a goal in stages, rather than in one giant leap. Perhaps you could club together with neighbouring countries first, and then once that has settled down you could add more countries over time.0 -
No deal it is then.Casino_Royale said:
No deal it is then.CarlottaVance said:
And an EU Emergency Budget......0 -
Barnier - "The British have a nice car, I am sure they would not want it to be scratched."0
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You are barmy.Casino_Royale said:
It’s very revealing.RoyalBlue said:
It’s evidence that NI is only being used (shamelessly and recklessly) to force the UK into a softer Brexit.0 -
Afternoon PB,
Any body bags gone into Chequers yet?
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Except the quote is being reported differently elsewhere.Casino_Royale said:
It’s very revealing.RoyalBlue said:
It’s evidence that NI is only being used (shamelessly and recklessly) to force the UK into a softer Brexit.0 -
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I wonder what HMQ thinks of all this0
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Yes. I don't know how many public footpaths would take you into contact with the MOD plod, but this is an opportunity to see armed police outside of airports, should you so wish.Stark_Dawning said:
SeanT was telling us that a public footpaths runs right alongside Chequers ('Because this is England...'). Handy!surby said:
They can't even call Uber. Boris could do with a walk to the station.CarlottaVance said:0 -
No. That’s exactly what’s going on.MikeSmithson said:
You are barmy.Casino_Royale said:
It’s very revealing.RoyalBlue said:
It’s evidence that NI is only being used (shamelessly and recklessly) to force the UK into a softer Brexit.
Your twitter feed is embarrassing.0 -
For a nation of shopkeepers [ allegedly spoken by another Frenchman ] this is difficult to understand. Brits think it is all about trade. So cannot comprehend that others may think differently.CarlottaVance said:0 -
There's a dent in the car.Polruan said:
More “the British have a nice car, how do they think that angle-grinder’s going to make it look better?”Pulpstar said:Barnier - "The British have a nice car, I am sure they would not want it to be scratched."
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Not on that image is doesnt. It shows less people are regretting it now since august 2017. It shows little more than those who voted for it largely support it an those who voted against largely dont, with a lot of people in both sides who have now lost interest and wondering why we still talking about it.logical_song said:
Nit picking.notme said:
Hilarious Desperation. The poll doesnt show what the headline hopes it claims. I'll quote:logical_song said:
http://uk.businessinsider.com/britain-bregret-theresa-may-soft-brexit-2018-5RobD said:
I thought the polls were unchanged on this topic? In any case, ~thirty years is the baseline for time between EU referendums.Anorak said:
"The 1% difference is within the margin of error."
Right 43% wrong 44%
They even more absurdly show a graph on how opinion polling has shifted since the referendum. The chart shows 'May' but it has a gap and it looks like theyve excluded the may results because they dont actually help their argument
http://static4.uk.businessinsider.com/image/5b0ecba47708e9644f558158-1200/opinion poll brexit right or wrong.jpg
It calls itself Business Insider, it wasnt even worth turning the ad blocker for. If someone here tried to make those kind of claims they would get rightly torn apart. Absolutely utterly pathetic.
Do you not accept that the trend is for more people to regret Brexit as time passes?
OK, there will always be margins of error in all polls, but don't forget that that works both ways.
https://yougov.co.uk/news/2018/06/23/eu-referendum-two-years/
It is not nitpicking to point out that their entire article is utter nonsense. Embarrassing. Embarrassing, Embarrassing.0 -
I think both the UK and EU need to travel on that one.williamglenn said:
With a customs border where?Casino_Royale said:
It’s perfectly obvious that NI needs a special status with both the EU and UK that both the EU and UK can recognise.williamglenn said:
"GB has survived" - that's an interesting choice of words. I presume on that basis the Northern Ireland backstop will be no sacrifice at all in order to achieve Brexit?Mortimer said:
Written constitutions are for those without imagination or an interest in history.williamglenn said:
If there's an inherent contradiction with the UK, it's not common law per se, but the fact that we are ourselves a union of nations without a written constitution.Mortimer said:
The vision of the EU doesn’t fit with a common law jursidiction. This is the fundamental contradiction that led to Brexit.welshowl said:williamglenn said:
What a horror vision of continental hegemony.
L’etat c’est moi would fit Barnier to a T.
GB has survived for over 300 years, and with a Union of Crowns for over 100 years more.
Come back with your Eurobabble when it has survived longer than that.
NI already has a special status in so many ways.0 -
Quite interesting piece on the fact that France could be fielding 2 squads at the WC...and Paris alone could basically have one.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P55XYp2KD2Y0 -
If you don't like the Customs Union, just ditch Northern Ireland. More than half of NI population will support it anyway.Casino_Royale said:
It’s very revealing.RoyalBlue said:
It’s evidence that NI is only being used (shamelessly and recklessly) to force the UK into a softer Brexit.0 -
More than half???surby said:
If you don't like the Customs Union, just ditch Northern Ireland. More than half of NI population will support it anyway.Casino_Royale said:
It’s very revealing.RoyalBlue said:
It’s evidence that NI is only being used (shamelessly and recklessly) to force the UK into a softer Brexit.0 -
"The British have a nice car with four wheels, but are demanding a three-wheeler. This model has been discontinued and is not available, but we can offer a motorbike, or they can keep the car."Polruan said:
More “the British have a nice car, how do they think that angle-grinder’s going to make it look better?”Pulpstar said:Barnier - "The British have a nice car, I am sure they would not want it to be scratched."
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