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It would be a complete abrogation of the manifesto. It would be similar to Labour's lies on the Lisbon Treaty referendum.TheScreamingEagles said:0 -
Nope, we don't need a customs border. (it is our only land border)rpjs said:
But with a customs border along the Irish Sea, which would be anathema to the DUP.Mortimer said:
If the EU want to put one up, they can....0 -
Presumably Putin would order both Trump and Corbyn to work together.Stark_Dawning said:
I'd love it if we got a tweet from Donald along the lines of 'Just met with UK Labor leader Jeremy Corbyn. Great guy. Agree on so much about international/economic affairs. Looking forward to doing business with'.Jonathan said:
Trump might get on better with Corbyn than May. Arguably she is more a polar opposite than he.Foxy said:
Yes, but the prospect of Jezza giving Trump a lesson in Jam making is too good to miss.HYUFD said:
Then Corbyn would have to deal with Brexit and his just as divided party.Foxy said:So if The Government collapses over the weekend, gets No Confidenced Tuesday, Corbyn gets to attempt a minority government and goes to the Palace on Wednesday, then he would be the PM greeting Trump on Thursday.
Almost worth doing for the LOL's!
Plus Trump has shown himself ready to deal with Lopez Obrador so no reason he could not deal with Corbyn too0 -
Pretty sure that freedom of expression should be a principle without qualification.brendan16 said:
There is freedom of expression - and there is just childishness. Surprising City Hall allowed it.Theuniondivvie said:Objecting to freedom of expression? It's political correctness gone mad I tells ye.
https://twitter.com/Nigel_Farage/status/1014933261817171969
Surely there are more grown up ways to protest against Trump?L
Of course 'the biggest insult to a sitting US President ever' is hyperbolic bollox; I'm only disappointed it isn't.
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Canada without agreement on the NI border is not one of the options the EU is willing to consider. At some point you have to accept the reality that the only option that does not require agreement with the EU is no deal, and that is not going to be economically possible, which means it won't be politically possible either.Mortimer said:
Nope, we don't need a customs border. (it is our only land border)rpjs said:
But with a customs border along the Irish Sea, which would be anathema to the DUP.Mortimer said:
If the EU want to put one up, they can....0 -
Probably she said to him, you can keep your non-job and not have to actually do anything, just like you've not been doing for the last two years.williamglenn said:0 -
But Brexiters believe that the EU will have no choice but to give us a gilded FTA because the BMW will tell them to.rpjs said:
Canada without agreement on the NI border is not one of the options the EU is willing to consider. At some point you have to accept the reality that the only option that does not require agreement with the EU is no deal, and that is not going to be economically possible, which means it won't be politically possible either.Mortimer said:
Nope, we don't need a customs border. (it is our only land border)rpjs said:
But with a customs border along the Irish Sea, which would be anathema to the DUP.Mortimer said:
If the EU want to put one up, they can....0 -
Brexit Ministers meeting reportedly saying we think there is a deal to be done
Like everyone else no doubt, no idea what is happening but we should know by kick off Saturday0 -
I guess we can see which members of the commentariat report on 'sources' they have and what is going on, and so see which ones are most full of crap about those sources?williamglenn said:0 -
It's all going to be a bit pointless though if it turns out to be yet another fantasy cake-and-eat-it "bespoke deal" which the EU has already ruled out.Big_G_NorthWales said:Brexit Ministers meeting reportedly saying we think there is a deal to be done
Like everyone else no doubt, no idea what is happening but we should know by kick off Saturday0 -
And a customs border dividing our own nation is neither politically nor economically possible.rpjs said:
Canada without agreement on the NI border is not one of the options the EU is willing to consider. At some point you have to accept the reality that the only option that does not require agreement with the EU is no deal, and that is not going to be economically possible, which means it won't be politically possible either.Mortimer said:
Nope, we don't need a customs border. (it is our only land border)rpjs said:
But with a customs border along the Irish Sea, which would be anathema to the DUP.Mortimer said:
If the EU want to put one up, they can....
For a start, it would screw Irish exports.
The 'no border or it'll be a hard border' bluff needs to be exposed.0 -
So it'll be EEA+ then. TINA as used to be said.Mortimer said:
And a customs border dividing our own nation is neither politically nor economically possible.rpjs said:
Canada without agreement on the NI border is not one of the options the EU is willing to consider. At some point you have to accept the reality that the only option that does not require agreement with the EU is no deal, and that is not going to be economically possible, which means it won't be politically possible either.Mortimer said:
Nope, we don't need a customs border. (it is our only land border)rpjs said:
But with a customs border along the Irish Sea, which would be anathema to the DUP.Mortimer said:
If the EU want to put one up, they can....
For a start, it would screw Irish exports.
The 'no border or it'll be a hard border' bluff needs to be exposed.0 -
I suspect tomorrow's 'crunch meeting' will follow a familiar pattern:williamglenn said:
Government loyalists will proclaim it a 'Falklands Moment'.
Cabinet Leavers will mumble their supposed satisfaction.
Rees-Mogg will be 'keeping his powder dry'.
After a few days Boris will recommence his sniping, and the whole cycle will begin again.0 -
I've had similar problems from time to time. Completely closing the browser (Safari in my case) and re-opening seemed to work last time - not sure if that was just a coincidence though.Mortimer said:
I tried this from the main site - logins (and comments) just don't seem to persist via chrome/safari on the latest ios, though they used to.Philip_Thompson said:
I've had the same thing. Log back in and the up to date comment re-appear as if by magic.Mortimer said:O/T, and especially for the attention of @rcs1000
I've been experiencing very weird behaviour re comments variously showing with a large delay (up to 90 minutes), and no persisting of login on an iphone 8, chrome or safari.
I've seen others make similar comments. Anyone know any solution?
Guess I'll have to switch to the vanilla site on the mobile!0 -
Not compatible with immigration controls.rpjs said:
So it'll be EEA+ then. TINA as used to be said.Mortimer said:
And a customs border dividing our own nation is neither politically nor economically possible.rpjs said:
Canada without agreement on the NI border is not one of the options the EU is willing to consider. At some point you have to accept the reality that the only option that does not require agreement with the EU is no deal, and that is not going to be economically possible, which means it won't be politically possible either.Mortimer said:
Nope, we don't need a customs border. (it is our only land border)rpjs said:
But with a customs border along the Irish Sea, which would be anathema to the DUP.Mortimer said:
If the EU want to put one up, they can....
For a start, it would screw Irish exports.
The 'no border or it'll be a hard border' bluff needs to be exposed.
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Not sure the EU can just dismiss it if it is the collective will of the cabinet and is in a white paper. The big if is 'the collective view of the cabinet'rpjs said:
It's all going to be a bit pointless though if it turns out to be yet another fantasy cake-and-eat-it "bespoke deal" which the EU has already ruled out.Big_G_NorthWales said:Brexit Ministers meeting reportedly saying we think there is a deal to be done
Like everyone else no doubt, no idea what is happening but we should know by kick off Saturday0 -
They can, and I think they will.Big_G_NorthWales said:
Not sure the EU can just dismiss it if it is the collective will of the cabinet and is in a white paper. The big if is 'the collective view of the cabinet'rpjs said:
It's all going to be a bit pointless though if it turns out to be yet another fantasy cake-and-eat-it "bespoke deal" which the EU has already ruled out.Big_G_NorthWales said:Brexit Ministers meeting reportedly saying we think there is a deal to be done
Like everyone else no doubt, no idea what is happening but we should know by kick off Saturday
Because they're overplaying a strong hand.0 -
Thanks for the idea. Didn't try that.Benpointer said:
I've had similar problems from time to time. Completely closing the browser (Safari in my case) and re-opening seemed to work last time - not sure if that was just a coincidence though.Mortimer said:
I tried this from the main site - logins (and comments) just don't seem to persist via chrome/safari on the latest ios, though they used to.Philip_Thompson said:
I've had the same thing. Log back in and the up to date comment re-appear as if by magic.Mortimer said:O/T, and especially for the attention of @rcs1000
I've been experiencing very weird behaviour re comments variously showing with a large delay (up to 90 minutes), and no persisting of login on an iphone 8, chrome or safari.
I've seen others make similar comments. Anyone know any solution?
Guess I'll have to switch to the vanilla site on the mobile!0 -
Its probably better if Liam Fox does nothing than Liam Fox does something.rpjs said:
Probably she said to him, you can keep your non-job and not have to actually do anything, just like you've not been doing for the last two years.williamglenn said:0 -
"The collective view of what is left of the cabinet."Big_G_NorthWales said:
Not sure the EU can just dismiss it if it is the collective will of the cabinet and is in a white paper. The big if is 'the collective view of the cabinet'rpjs said:
It's all going to be a bit pointless though if it turns out to be yet another fantasy cake-and-eat-it "bespoke deal" which the EU has already ruled out.Big_G_NorthWales said:Brexit Ministers meeting reportedly saying we think there is a deal to be done
Like everyone else no doubt, no idea what is happening but we should know by kick off Saturday0 -
I guess May's hope is to try and get a semblance of cabinet unity on something that can, in the dark with the light behind it, be seen as a "plan". Then she and Davis will try and sell it direct to other EU heads of government in the hope they will pressure Barnier. A tactic which has so far achieved precisely nothing and it seems very unlikely to work now when there are less than 9 months to go.rpjs said:
It's all going to be a bit pointless though if it turns out to be yet another fantasy cake-and-eat-it "bespoke deal" which the EU has already ruled out.Big_G_NorthWales said:Brexit Ministers meeting reportedly saying we think there is a deal to be done
Like everyone else no doubt, no idea what is happening but we should know by kick off Saturday0 -
But it will be in a white paper and everyone can pile in - on both sides of the argument.Stark_Dawning said:
I suspect tomorrow's 'crunch meeting' will follow a familiar pattern:williamglenn said:
Government loyalists will proclaim it a 'Falklands Moment'.
Cabinet Leavers will mumble their supposed satisfaction.
Rees-Mogg will be 'keeping his powder dry'.
After a few days Boris will recommence his sniping, and the whole cycle will begin again.
Wake me up next April0 -
Why would they care about that?Big_G_NorthWales said:
Not sure the EU can just dismiss it if it is the collective will of the cabinet and is in a white paper. The big if is 'the collective view of the cabinet'rpjs said:
It's all going to be a bit pointless though if it turns out to be yet another fantasy cake-and-eat-it "bespoke deal" which the EU has already ruled out.Big_G_NorthWales said:Brexit Ministers meeting reportedly saying we think there is a deal to be done
Like everyone else no doubt, no idea what is happening but we should know by kick off Saturday0 -
I saw a poll today that indicated most people did not mind immigration but not sure whereMortimer said:
Not compatible with immigration controls.rpjs said:
So it'll be EEA+ then. TINA as used to be said.Mortimer said:
And a customs border dividing our own nation is neither politically nor economically possible.rpjs said:
Canada without agreement on the NI border is not one of the options the EU is willing to consider. At some point you have to accept the reality that the only option that does not require agreement with the EU is no deal, and that is not going to be economically possible, which means it won't be politically possible either.Mortimer said:
Nope, we don't need a customs border. (it is our only land border)rpjs said:
But with a customs border along the Irish Sea, which would be anathema to the DUP.Mortimer said:
If the EU want to put one up, they can....
For a start, it would screw Irish exports.
The 'no border or it'll be a hard border' bluff needs to be exposed.0 -
All sounds very Agatha Christie.williamglenn said:
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Means you'll miss the rest of the World Cup!Big_G_NorthWales said:
But it will be in a white paper and everyone can pile in - on both sides of the argument.Stark_Dawning said:
I suspect tomorrow's 'crunch meeting' will follow a familiar pattern:williamglenn said:
Government loyalists will proclaim it a 'Falklands Moment'.
Cabinet Leavers will mumble their supposed satisfaction.
Rees-Mogg will be 'keeping his powder dry'.
After a few days Boris will recommence his sniping, and the whole cycle will begin again.
Wake me up next April0 -
In December the EU effectively agreed to move to a Canada style FTA with enough regulatory alignment by the UK to avoid a hard border in Irelandrpjs said:
Canada without agreement on the NI border is not one of the options the EU is willing to consider. At some point you have to accept the reality that the only option that does not require agreement with the EU is no deal, and that is not going to be economically possible, which means it won't be politically possible either.Mortimer said:
Nope, we don't need a customs border. (it is our only land border)rpjs said:
But with a customs border along the Irish Sea, which would be anathema to the DUP.Mortimer said:
If the EU want to put one up, they can....0 -
Today's Tesco Strawberry score is once again an eight:
Aberdeenshire
Angus
Perthshire
Lancashire
Staffordshire
Cambridgeshire
Surrey
Kent
Only notable new thing were some cauliflowers which were prominently labelled as 'Cornish Cauliflowers'.
Now I've heard of Cornish pasties, sardines and cream ties but not Cornish cauliflowers - are they some sort of delicacy I've been unaware of ?
Still no sign or the predicted lettuce shortage.0 -
Wake me up when September endsBig_G_NorthWales said:
But it will be in a white paper and everyone can pile in - on both sides of the argument.Stark_Dawning said:
I suspect tomorrow's 'crunch meeting' will follow a familiar pattern:williamglenn said:
Government loyalists will proclaim it a 'Falklands Moment'.
Cabinet Leavers will mumble their supposed satisfaction.
Rees-Mogg will be 'keeping his powder dry'.
After a few days Boris will recommence his sniping, and the whole cycle will begin again.
Wake me up next April0 -
zzzzzzzzzanother_richard said:Today's Tesco Strawberry score is once again an eight:
Aberdeenshire
Angus
Perthshire
Lancashire
Staffordshire
Cambridgeshire
Surrey
Kent
Only notable new thing were some cauliflowers which were prominently labelled as 'Cornish Cauliflowers'.
Now I've heard of Cornish pasties, sardines and cream ties but not Cornish cauliflowers - are they some sort of delicacy I've been unaware of ?
Still no sign or the predicted lettuce shortage.0 -
No poll I have ever seen shows people 'do not mind uncontrolled immigration, especially uncontrolled low skilled immigration'Big_G_NorthWales said:
I saw a poll today that indicated most people did not mind immigration but not sure whereMortimer said:
Not compatible with immigration controls.rpjs said:
So it'll be EEA+ then. TINA as used to be said.Mortimer said:
And a customs border dividing our own nation is neither politically nor economically possible.rpjs said:
Canada without agreement on the NI border is not one of the options the EU is willing to consider. At some point you have to accept the reality that the only option that does not require agreement with the EU is no deal, and that is not going to be economically possible, which means it won't be politically possible either.Mortimer said:
Nope, we don't need a customs border. (it is our only land border)rpjs said:
But with a customs border along the Irish Sea, which would be anathema to the DUP.Mortimer said:
If the EU want to put one up, they can....
For a start, it would screw Irish exports.
The 'no border or it'll be a hard border' bluff needs to be exposed.0 -
The Trade Body In The Library.GIN1138 said:0 -
GIN1138 said:
And Then There Were None ?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/And_Then_There_Were_None0 -
Just had some beautiful Hants strawberries.another_richard said:Today's Tesco Strawberry score is once again an eight:
Aberdeenshire
Angus
Perthshire
Lancashire
Staffordshire
Cambridgeshire
Surrey
Kent
Only notable new thing were some cauliflowers which were prominently labelled as 'Cornish Cauliflowers'.
Now I've heard of Cornish pasties, sardines and cream ties but not Cornish cauliflowers - are they some sort of delicacy I've been unaware of ?
Still no sign or the predicted lettuce shortage.
The laybys of rural Dorset are also rammed with stalls selling them.
I think we can safely say that this bumper soft fruit harvest is not rotting in the fields. Another remainer myth....0 -
So tomorrow the cabinet will sit in Chequers watching the tennis and the two quarter-finals and necking a few cold ones.0
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There are voices in the EU pushing back on Barnier including Austria which holds the Presidency and now German Ministers. Also EU businesses are pleading not only with the UK but also the EU. Pressure is growing on both sidesSean_F said:
Why would they care about that?Big_G_NorthWales said:
Not sure the EU can just dismiss it if it is the collective will of the cabinet and is in a white paper. The big if is 'the collective view of the cabinet'rpjs said:
It's all going to be a bit pointless though if it turns out to be yet another fantasy cake-and-eat-it "bespoke deal" which the EU has already ruled out.Big_G_NorthWales said:Brexit Ministers meeting reportedly saying we think there is a deal to be done
Like everyone else no doubt, no idea what is happening but we should know by kick off Saturday0 -
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What are Macron's ratings ?Sean_F said:O/T Macron's ratings collapse suggests that one term is as good as it gets, for a French President.
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And miss Brazil v Belgium - it will conclude before 7.00pm tomorrow nightGIN1138 said:0 -
Especially for Grayling:Benpointer said:GIN1138 said:
And Then There Were None ?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/And_Then_There_Were_None
Murderous overcrowding on the Trans-Pennine Express.0 -
Part of me does want this all to be showmanshipSandyRentool said:So tomorrow the cabinet will sit in Chequers watching the tennis and the two quarter-finals and necking a few cold ones.
Either way, if May makes it through this, the country might be better off for having a range of voices at the table.0 -
Original title “10 Little Brexiteers”.Benpointer said:GIN1138 said:
And Then There Were None ?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/And_Then_There_Were_None0 -
About 35/65.another_richard said:
What are Macron's ratings ?Sean_F said:O/T Macron's ratings collapse suggests that one term is as good as it gets, for a French President.
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The fuss over security is odd. That is plainly a field where no deal hurts the rest of the EU more than it hurts us.CarlottaVance said:0 -
Serious question...macron was elected on a blair-esque reform platform. Other than banning phones in schools and some very minor labour reforms, what is else has he been up to?0
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After a pretty easy year in office.Sean_F said:
About 35/65.another_richard said:
What are Macron's ratings ?Sean_F said:O/T Macron's ratings collapse suggests that one term is as good as it gets, for a French President.
Sooner or later there will be some crisis he has to deal with, which might make him or break him.0 -
Forgot about that - and of course I couldn't contribute my musings to PBBenpointer said:
Means you'll miss the rest of the World Cup!Big_G_NorthWales said:
But it will be in a white paper and everyone can pile in - on both sides of the argument.Stark_Dawning said:
I suspect tomorrow's 'crunch meeting' will follow a familiar pattern:williamglenn said:
Government loyalists will proclaim it a 'Falklands Moment'.
Cabinet Leavers will mumble their supposed satisfaction.
Rees-Mogg will be 'keeping his powder dry'.
After a few days Boris will recommence his sniping, and the whole cycle will begin again.
Wake me up next April
Sure we all want Brexit to be concluded asap0 -
It just demonstrates that the whole process is being run by a bunch of swivel eyed zealots in Brussels. Time for the 27 nation states to take back control.Sean_F said:
The fuss over security is odd. That is plainly a field where no deal hurts the rest of the EU more than it hurts us.CarlottaVance said:0 -
Indeed, but not as much as I want England to win the WC!Big_G_NorthWales said:
Forgot about that - and of course I couldn't contribute my musings to PBBenpointer said:
Means you'll miss the rest of the World Cup!Big_G_NorthWales said:
But it will be in a white paper and everyone can pile in - on both sides of the argument.Stark_Dawning said:
I suspect tomorrow's 'crunch meeting' will follow a familiar pattern:williamglenn said:
Government loyalists will proclaim it a 'Falklands Moment'.
Cabinet Leavers will mumble their supposed satisfaction.
Rees-Mogg will be 'keeping his powder dry'.
After a few days Boris will recommence his sniping, and the whole cycle will begin again.
Wake me up next April
Sure we all want Brexit to be concluded asap 0 -
Let me introduce you to @williamglenn.....Big_G_NorthWales said:
Forgot about that - and of course I couldn't contribute my musings to PBBenpointer said:
Means you'll miss the rest of the World Cup!Big_G_NorthWales said:
But it will be in a white paper and everyone can pile in - on both sides of the argument.Stark_Dawning said:
I suspect tomorrow's 'crunch meeting' will follow a familiar pattern:williamglenn said:
Government loyalists will proclaim it a 'Falklands Moment'.
Cabinet Leavers will mumble their supposed satisfaction.
Rees-Mogg will be 'keeping his powder dry'.
After a few days Boris will recommence his sniping, and the whole cycle will begin again.
Wake me up next April
Sure we all want Brexit to be concluded asap0 -
American Supreme Court Betting News
https://www.twitter.com/costareports/status/1014972330429308928
Imagine, the man who killed the key provision of the Voting Rights Act is considered not Conservator enough.0 -
It was a discussion group of 50 who did not see immigration as a problem but cannot remember the source. Age catching me up together with two strained hamstrings and lots of knee painHYUFD said:
No poll I have ever seen shows people 'do not mind uncontrolled immigration, especially uncontrolled low skilled immigration'Big_G_NorthWales said:
I saw a poll today that indicated most people did not mind immigration but not sure whereMortimer said:
Not compatible with immigration controls.rpjs said:
So it'll be EEA+ then. TINA as used to be said.Mortimer said:
And a customs border dividing our own nation is neither politically nor economically possible.rpjs said:
Canada without agreement on the NI border is not one of the options the EU is willing to consider. At some point you have to accept the reality that the only option that does not require agreement with the EU is no deal, and that is not going to be economically possible, which means it won't be politically possible either.Mortimer said:
Nope, we don't need a customs border. (it is our only land border)rpjs said:
But with a customs border along the Irish Sea, which would be anathema to the DUP.Mortimer said:
If the EU want to put one up, they can....
For a start, it would screw Irish exports.
The 'no border or it'll be a hard border' bluff needs to be exposed.0 -
@SouthamObserver - just caught up on the earlier thread, huge congrats!0
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Liam can't Fox it up if he does nothing?another_richard said:
Its probably better if Liam Fox does nothing than Liam Fox does something.rpjs said:
Probably she said to him, you can keep your non-job and not have to actually do anything, just like you've not been doing for the last two years.williamglenn said:0 -
I see Carswell works for a shitty internet ads agency and spends his time whining about GDPR making it hard to sell people's data unsuspectingly.0
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Sorting out the Railway workers and unionsFrancisUrquhart said:Serious question...macron was elected on a blair-esque reform platform. Other than banning phones in schools and some very minor labour reforms, what is else has he been up to?
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A couple of years ago May made this very point, as part of a comment as to why she wanted a deal with the EU, and in what even by his standards was hysterical and unhinged blustering Barnier accused her of threatening the EU (which given his subsequent behaviour has almost entirely consisted of bullying, threats and reneging on previous agreeements, would be funny if the consequences were not so serious).CarlottaVance said:
I wonder what he will say in response to this?0 -
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Good article on the internal contradictions of Macronism in the latest LRB.Big_G_NorthWales said:
Sorting out the Railway workers and unionsFrancisUrquhart said:Serious question...macron was elected on a blair-esque reform platform. Other than banning phones in schools and some very minor labour reforms, what is else has he been up to?
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Seeing him begging Nigeria to open reception centres in their own Country with the Nigerian President looking non plussed and not interested was hugely embarrassinganother_richard said:
After a pretty easy year in office.Sean_F said:
About 35/65.another_richard said:
What are Macron's ratings ?Sean_F said:O/T Macron's ratings collapse suggests that one term is as good as it gets, for a French President.
Sooner or later there will be some crisis he has to deal with, which might make him or break him.0 -
So far his efforts have been unsuccessful.Big_G_NorthWales said:
Sorting out the Railway workers and unionsFrancisUrquhart said:Serious question...macron was elected on a blair-esque reform platform. Other than banning phones in schools and some very minor labour reforms, what is else has he been up to?
However, the comparison with Blair fails as he hasn't backed down at the first hint of opposition and sacked the ministers concerned for following his instructions.0 -
Well that would be just fantastic but one match at a time maybeBenpointer said:
Indeed, but not as much as I want England to win the WC!Big_G_NorthWales said:
Forgot about that - and of course I couldn't contribute my musings to PBBenpointer said:
Means you'll miss the rest of the World Cup!Big_G_NorthWales said:
But it will be in a white paper and everyone can pile in - on both sides of the argument.Stark_Dawning said:
I suspect tomorrow's 'crunch meeting' will follow a familiar pattern:williamglenn said:
Government loyalists will proclaim it a 'Falklands Moment'.
Cabinet Leavers will mumble their supposed satisfaction.
Rees-Mogg will be 'keeping his powder dry'.
After a few days Boris will recommence his sniping, and the whole cycle will begin again.
Wake me up next April
Sure we all want Brexit to be concluded asap0 -
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There's no point wasting time trying to persuade Barnier that security co-operation would be a good thing all round. Take it off the table.ydoethur said:
A couple of years ago May made this very point, as part of a comment as to why she wanted a deal with the EU, and in what even by his standards was hysterical and unhinged blustering Barnier accused her of threatening the EU (which given his subsequent behaviour has almost entirely consisted of bullying, threats and reneging on previous agreeements, would be funny if the consequences were not so serious).CarlottaVance said:
I wonder what he will say in response to this?0 -
Tom Tugendhat has just put the boot into the Russians on Radio 4. I don't think I've ever heard a British politician being so blunt about the Russians before.0
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Barnier needs taking off the tableSean_F said:
There's no point wasting time trying to persuade Barnier that security co-operation would be a good thing all round. Take it off the table.ydoethur said:
A couple of years ago May made this very point, as part of a comment as to why she wanted a deal with the EU, and in what even by his standards was hysterical and unhinged blustering Barnier accused her of threatening the EU (which given his subsequent behaviour has almost entirely consisted of bullying, threats and reneging on previous agreeements, would be funny if the consequences were not so serious).CarlottaVance said:
I wonder what he will say in response to this?0 -
For France those labour reforms are virtually Thatcheresque and quite significant. He's been in some very serious industrial relations disputes too so not such an 'easy' year.FrancisUrquhart said:Serious question...macron was elected on a blair-esque reform platform. Other than banning phones in schools and some very minor labour reforms, what is else has he been up to?
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The Times confirms what we've known for a while.
Services won't be part of the deal, not to worry services only accounts for 80% of the economy.0 -
Carney has spelled out why we should never be rule takers in services. I completely agree with him.TheScreamingEagles said:The Times confirms what we've known for a while.
Services won't be part of the deal, not to worry services only accounts for 80% of the economy.0 -
Mutual recognition could be a deal though. Given we have such a mammoth trade deficit on goods we should walk away completely if that can't be agreed.MaxPB said:
Carney has spelled out why we should never be rule takers in services. I completely agree with him.TheScreamingEagles said:The Times confirms what we've known for a while.
Services won't be part of the deal, not to worry services only accounts for 80% of the economy.0 -
Quite right. I reckon we have a 50/50 chance of getting past Sweden. We'll have exceeded expectations if we do that.Big_G_NorthWales said:
Well that would be just fantastic but one match at a time maybeBenpointer said:
Indeed, but not as much as I want England to win the WC!Big_G_NorthWales said:
Forgot about that - and of course I couldn't contribute my musings to PBBenpointer said:
Means you'll miss the rest of the World Cup!Big_G_NorthWales said:
But it will be in a white paper and everyone can pile in - on both sides of the argument.Stark_Dawning said:
I suspect tomorrow's 'crunch meeting' will follow a familiar pattern:williamglenn said:
Government loyalists will proclaim it a 'Falklands Moment'.
Cabinet Leavers will mumble their supposed satisfaction.
Rees-Mogg will be 'keeping his powder dry'.
After a few days Boris will recommence his sniping, and the whole cycle will begin again.
Wake me up next April
Sure we all want Brexit to be concluded asap
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Non.ydoethur said:
A couple of years ago May made this very point, as part of a comment as to why she wanted a deal with the EU, and in what even by his standards was hysterical and unhinged blustering Barnier accused her of threatening the EU (which given his subsequent behaviour has almost entirely consisted of bullying, threats and reneging on previous agreeements, would be funny if the consequences were not so serious).CarlottaVance said:
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It’s all about “the integrity of the institutions” - very theological....Sean_F said:
The fuss over security is odd. That is plainly a field where no deal hurts the rest of the EU more than it hurts us.CarlottaVance said:0 -
So the government proposes no change to trade in goods, in which the UK has a huge deficit with the EU, and to accept barriers to trade in services, in which the UK has a surplus.TheScreamingEagles said:The Times confirms what we've known for a while.
Services won't be part of the deal, not to worry services only accounts for 80% of the economy.
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No-one in the country cares anymore about Brexit, the focus is on the football. I called this on Tuesday night, after the game. May should use the distraction to perform a business friendly EEA style fudge. Open door.0
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These Tories are just like Hitler, the way they're attacking Russia.glw said:Tom Tugendhat has just put the boot into the Russians on Radio 4. I don't think I've ever heard a British politician being so blunt about the Russians before.
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I think we have a good chance of making the semis then anything could happen, fingers crossedBenpointer said:
Quite right. I reckon we have a 50/50 chance of getting past Sweden. We'll have exceeded expectations if we do that.Big_G_NorthWales said:
Well that would be just fantastic but one match at a time maybeBenpointer said:
Indeed, but not as much as I want England to win the WC!Big_G_NorthWales said:
Forgot about that - and of course I couldn't contribute my musings to PBBenpointer said:
Means you'll miss the rest of the World Cup!Big_G_NorthWales said:
But it will be in a white paper and everyone can pile in - on both sides of the argument.Stark_Dawning said:
I suspect tomorrow's 'crunch meeting' will follow a familiar pattern:williamglenn said:
Government loyalists will proclaim it a 'Falklands Moment'.
Cabinet Leavers will mumble their supposed satisfaction.
Rees-Mogg will be 'keeping his powder dry'.
After a few days Boris will recommence his sniping, and the whole cycle will begin again.
Wake me up next April
Sure we all want Brexit to be concluded asap
Whatever the outcome I am looking forward to the final stages - should be some good matches.
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A good weekend to bury bad news.Anazina said:No-one in the country cares anymore about Brexit, the focus is on the football. I called this on Tuesday night, after the game. May should use the distraction to perform a business friendly EEA style fudge. Open door.
Goodnight all.0 -
This attempt to create a strawberry meme is utterly tiresome.Benpointer said:
zzzzzzzzzanother_richard said:Today's Tesco Strawberry score is once again an eight:
Aberdeenshire
Angus
Perthshire
Lancashire
Staffordshire
Cambridgeshire
Surrey
Kent
Only notable new thing were some cauliflowers which were prominently labelled as 'Cornish Cauliflowers'.
Now I've heard of Cornish pasties, sardines and cream ties but not Cornish cauliflowers - are they some sort of delicacy I've been unaware of ?
Still no sign or the predicted lettuce shortage.0 -
Tugendhat called them virtually everything else bar "literally Hitler".JonnyJimmy said:
These Tories are just like Hitler, the way they're attacking Russia.glw said:Tom Tugendhat has just put the boot into the Russians on Radio 4. I don't think I've ever heard a British politician being so blunt about the Russians before.
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That's tragic.SouthamObserver said:
What will end is the right to retire there. That's quite a big deal.CarlottaVance said:FPT 'Ending free movement means no more pensioners retiring to Spain' - not so - the process will change, but other non-EU nationals (such as Americans or Australians) already retire there:
https://transferwise.com/gb/blog/guide-to-retiring-in-spain0 -
During Wimbledon? Have you no national pride? Why not spit at the Queen?Anazina said:
This attempt to create a strawberry meme is utterly tiresome.Benpointer said:
zzzzzzzzzanother_richard said:Today's Tesco Strawberry score is once again an eight:
Aberdeenshire
Angus
Perthshire
Lancashire
Staffordshire
Cambridgeshire
Surrey
Kent
Only notable new thing were some cauliflowers which were prominently labelled as 'Cornish Cauliflowers'.
Now I've heard of Cornish pasties, sardines and cream ties but not Cornish cauliflowers - are they some sort of delicacy I've been unaware of ?
Still no sign or the predicted lettuce shortage.
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In the short term, it makes Brexit slightly easier over Gibraltar.SouthamObserver said:
The new Spanish government - a huge improvement on the previous one - is, unfortunately, not guaranteed to be in power forever. Right now, that does not matter. Once we leave the EU it will.felix said:
Nope - the new government in Spain is changing the position on healthcare for all foreign nationals.SouthamObserver said:
What will end is the right to retire there. That's quite a big deal.CarlottaVance said:FPT 'Ending free movement means no more pensioners retiring to Spain' - not so - the process will change, but other non-EU nationals (such as Americans or Australians) already retire there:
https://transferwise.com/gb/blog/guide-to-retiring-in-spain
https://www.eyeonspain.com/blogs/spainnews/18364/government-to-make-healthcare-free-and-universal-again-within-six-weeks.aspx
Apparently they have said they hope the UK government will still pay for pensioners as they do now.
Also the new measure has got all party support.0 -
The EU Commission wants to bring the UK to heel. My sense is that Merkel is still propping up the likes of Barnier and Selmayr, despite growing concerns from German business and Austria & Hungary breaking ranks, because it's personal to her too.Sean_F said:
Perhaps neither side wants a deal.anothernick said:
I fear it is. The city contact I mentioned earlier was visibly nervous when talking about the EU's preparations for no deal. The financial community has been unanimously of the view that a no deal outcome was so damaging and stupid that it could not possibly happen. No sane government could possibly contemplate it. But we don't have a sane government, or indeed any government, we have some people in various offices of state but they cannot be said to be governing. If no deal looks like becoming a reality there will be panic in the city and it will not be pretty.Foxy said:
I quite agree. The EU has a much better functioning government, but Westminster has now taken back control, with Henry VIII powers in addition.Alanbrooke said:
that's because the establishment couldn't think of anything positive FOR the EUFoxy said:
The problem is that we all know what the vote was against, no one knows what it was for.nunuone said:
single market was voted down with a massive majority in Parliament.anothernick said:Speaking to a city fund manager today who had just returned from a recce trip to Brussels. He was surprised to find that there was a high level of preparedness for no deal - thick manuals for various industrial sectors apparently. He was told that the EU thinks it's far too late to begin talking about a bespoke deal even in the unlikely event of the UK government being able to agree on what it wants to put in such a deal. So it was either no deal, a Canada type FTA with an Irish Sea customs border or full participation in the single market. No other options are practical.
I compared it to Suez, but Suez was at least well planned on the military side, just incompetently on the political side.
all Brexit tells us is the numpties who run the country should have less jurisdiction in our every day lives since they cant organise a piss up in a urinal
Hang on to your seats, its going to be a bumpy ride.
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Are you saying we won't get as far as Moscow? Of ye of little faith in Harry Kane....JonnyJimmy said:
These Tories are just like Hitler, the way they're attacking Russia.glw said:Tom Tugendhat has just put the boot into the Russians on Radio 4. I don't think I've ever heard a British politician being so blunt about the Russians before.
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There are those in the EU that believe that if they hard enough on the UK, the current administration will fall and another much more favourable to it will take its place, as UK public opinion turns to them. They can then impose a harder Remain settlement for the UK, where they will feel they've made their point.Sean_F said:
Why would they care about that?Big_G_NorthWales said:
Not sure the EU can just dismiss it if it is the collective will of the cabinet and is in a white paper. The big if is 'the collective view of the cabinet'rpjs said:
It's all going to be a bit pointless though if it turns out to be yet another fantasy cake-and-eat-it "bespoke deal" which the EU has already ruled out.Big_G_NorthWales said:Brexit Ministers meeting reportedly saying we think there is a deal to be done
Like everyone else no doubt, no idea what is happening but we should know by kick off Saturday
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That will last until England go out which might be literally just hours away!Anazina said:No-one in the country cares anymore about Brexit, the focus is on the football. I called this on Tuesday night, after the game. May should use the distraction to perform a business friendly EEA style fudge. Open door.
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It's made from old Labour manifestos...TheScreamingEagles said:0 -
Back of the net! Wish I could say I'd deliberately set that upMarqueeMark said:
Are you saying we won't get as far as Moscow? Of ye of little faith in Harry Kane....JonnyJimmy said:
These Tories are just like Hitler, the way they're attacking Russia.glw said:Tom Tugendhat has just put the boot into the Russians on Radio 4. I don't think I've ever heard a British politician being so blunt about the Russians before.
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Yes, it is a good deal. We retain free access to the excellent European foods and goods, and regulations to keep out US agribusiness.anothernick said:
So the government proposes no change to trade in goods, in which the UK has a huge deficit with the EU, and to accept barriers to trade in services, in which the UK has a surplus.TheScreamingEagles said:The Times confirms what we've known for a while.
Services won't be part of the deal, not to worry services only accounts for 80% of the economy.
Brilliant.0 -
What’s your “sense” about Macron or Varadkar?Casino_Royale said:
The EU Commission wants to bring the UK to heel. My sense is that Merkel is still propping up the likes of Barnier and Selmayr, despite growing concerns from German business and Austria & Hungary breaking ranks, because it's personal to her too.Sean_F said:
Perhaps neither side wants a deal.anothernick said:
I fear it is. The city contact I mentioned earlier was visibly nervous when talking about the EU's preparations for no deal. The financial community has been unanimously of the view that a no deal outcome was so damaging and stupid that it could not possibly happen. No sane government could possibly contemplate it. But we don't have a sane government, or indeed any government, we have some people in various offices of state but they cannot be said to be governing. If no deal looks like becoming a reality there will be panic in the city and it will not be pretty.Foxy said:
I quite agree. The EU has a much better functioning government, but Westminster has now taken back control, with Henry VIII powers in addition.Alanbrooke said:
that's because the establishment couldn't think of anything positive FOR the EUFoxy said:
The problem is that we all know what the vote was against, no one knows what it was for.nunuone said:
single market was voted down with a massive majority in Parliament.anothernick said:Speaking to a city fund manager today who had just returned from a recce trip to Brussels. He was surprised to find that there was a high level of preparedness for no deal - thick manuals for various industrial sectors apparently. He was told that the EU thinks it's far too late to begin talking about a bespoke deal even in the unlikely event of the UK government being able to agree on what it wants to put in such a deal. So it was either no deal, a Canada type FTA with an Irish Sea customs border or full participation in the single market. No other options are practical.
I compared it to Suez, but Suez was at least well planned on the military side, just incompetently on the political side.
all Brexit tells us is the numpties who run the country should have less jurisdiction in our every day lives since they cant organise a piss up in a urinal
Hang on to your seats, its going to be a bumpy ride.0 -
You think no-one's going to notice that because of the footy?Anazina said:No-one in the country cares anymore about Brexit, the focus is on the football. I called this on Tuesday night, after the game. May should use the distraction to perform a business friendly EEA style fudge. Open door.
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