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On topic: Biden will not run, but his endorsement may well be quite important in the Primaries. Ditto Berni.
It is easy to underestimate how guelling the Primary trail is in America at such an age.0 -
Tomorrow's Sun headline......TheScreamingEagles said:0 -
I think we are stuck with it. Whether a foul was in or out the box, whether someone was offside its really useful. Whether the defender or the attacker were play acting more, not so much.Philip_Thompson said:
Without VAR it wasn't a goal, the linesman having his flag up would have been the end of the matter.MaxPB said:
Hardly, it was a goal, it came off Kroos.Philip_Thompson said:VAR 1 - 0 Germany
VAR has done it's job.0 -
I prefer "Don't mention the VAR".MarqueeMark said:
Tomorrow's Sun headline......TheScreamingEagles said:0 -
That is great.TheScreamingEagles said:0 -
I think Özil becomes the fall guy after his stupid comments about Erdogan. That has to have hit squad unity.0
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All four of the past European winners of the World Cup have failed to progress from the group stages.
Despite Brexit.0 -
Fair enough but bottom? This is not the Germany of old but they still had Kroos, Ozil and Neur.Alanbrooke said:0 -
Some Koreans are on the pitch.....they think it's all over....
It is now.0 -
Hopefully the FA and FIFA will extend VAR usage to post game citations for play acting.DavidL said:
I think we are stuck with it. Whether a foul was in or out the box, whether someone was offside its really useful. Whether the defender or the attacker were play acting more, not so much.Philip_Thompson said:
Without VAR it wasn't a goal, the linesman having his flag up would have been the end of the matter.MaxPB said:
Hardly, it was a goal, it came off Kroos.Philip_Thompson said:VAR 1 - 0 Germany
VAR has done it's job.0 -
Is there not one left?MarqueeMark said:All four of the past European winners of the World Cup have failed to progress from the group stages.
Despite Brexit.0 -
We haven't left yet.MarqueeMark said:All four of the past European winners of the World Cup have failed to progress from the group stages.
Despite Brexit.0 -
France Spain England all still in?DavidL said:
Is there not one left?MarqueeMark said:All four of the past European winners of the World Cup have failed to progress from the group stages.
Despite Brexit.0 -
POGWAS.....RoyalBlue said:Poor Germany. How sad.
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You're right, there's 3.JonnyJimmy said:
France Spain England all still in?DavidL said:
Is there not one left?MarqueeMark said:All four of the past European winners of the World Cup have failed to progress from the group stages.
Despite Brexit.0 -
Nice.williamglenn said:
I prefer "Don't mention the VAR".MarqueeMark said:
Tomorrow's Sun headline......TheScreamingEagles said:0 -
I think he means champions at the next world cup.DavidL said:
Is there not one left?MarqueeMark said:All four of the past European winners of the World Cup have failed to progress from the group stages.
Despite Brexit.0 -
No he meansJonnyJimmy said:
France Spain England all still in?DavidL said:
Is there not one left?MarqueeMark said:All four of the past European winners of the World Cup have failed to progress from the group stages.
Despite Brexit.
2014 Winners Germany - eliminated Group stage in 2018
2010 Winners Spain - eliminated Group stage in 2014
2006 Winners Italy - eliminated Group stage in 2010
1998 Winners France - eliminated Group stage in 20020 -
I think he means that the holders curse has affected Germany 2018, Spain 2014, Italy 2010. All went out in the group stage of next World Cup.JonnyJimmy said:
France Spain England all still in?DavidL said:
Is there not one left?MarqueeMark said:All four of the past European winners of the World Cup have failed to progress from the group stages.
Despite Brexit.0 -
You got there.....TheScreamingEagles said:
No he meansJonnyJimmy said:
France Spain England all still in?DavidL said:
Is there not one left?MarqueeMark said:All four of the past European winners of the World Cup have failed to progress from the group stages.
Despite Brexit.
2014 Winners Germany - eliminated Group stage in 2018
2010 Winners Spain - eliminated Group stage in 2014
2006 Winners Italy - eliminated Group stage in 2010
1998 Winners France - eliminated Group stage in 20020 -
England now down to 9.6 last matched on Betfair for the tournament. I'm still humming and hawing over the optimal time to lay them. My guess is that they will beat a Belgian team that is resting key players, so after that?0
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Continuing the 'the economy is doing better than the GDP stats say':
43% of retailers said that sales volumes were up in the year to June, whilst 10% said they were down, giving a balance of +32%
32% of respondents expect retail sales volumes to increase in the year to July with 14% expecting a decrease, giving a balance of +18%.
34% of retailers placed more orders with suppliers than they did a year ago, while 13% placed fewer, giving a balance of +20%
30% of retailers said the volume of sales was good for the time of year, with 11% saying they were poor, giving a balance of +19%. Retailers expect seasonal sales volumes to improve in the year to July, with 30% anticipating good sales and just 5% expecting poor sales – giving a balance of +25%.
http://www.cbi.org.uk/news/june-sees-summer-boost-for-retailers/
The +32 is in comparison to the forexfactory prediction of +10
Tbh I'm surprised as there are clearly many retailers struggling so I'm not sure who is doing better than usual.
Though it does back up the retail sales data which has been coming in ahead of expectations.0 -
We’re meant to be resting key players too. Albeit not on the scale of Belgium.AlastairMeeks said:England now down to 9.6 last matched on Betfair for the tournament. I'm still humming and hawing over the optimal time to lay them. My guess is that they will beat a Belgian team that is resting key players, so after that?
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So you should have typed: The last four European winners of the World Cup have failed to progress from the subsequent tournament's group stage.MarqueeMark said:
You got there.....TheScreamingEagles said:
No he meansJonnyJimmy said:
France Spain England all still in?DavidL said:
Is there not one left?MarqueeMark said:All four of the past European winners of the World Cup have failed to progress from the group stages.
Despite Brexit.
2014 Winners Germany - eliminated Group stage in 2018
2010 Winners Spain - eliminated Group stage in 2014
2006 Winners Italy - eliminated Group stage in 2010
1998 Winners France - eliminated Group stage in 2002
That would have been rather less ambiguous.0 -
I'd like to know what TissuePrice thinks will happen in the Brazil match tonight...0
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If you want a competitive game tomorrow then support Serbia to beat Brazil. Currently with ENG and Brazil top of groups they meet in the Qtrs. Seeing as a draw tomorrow means we stay top need Brazil in second position for Belgium to have to get a result.0
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I'm on Serbia at 8. Just for fun really. But who knows...AndyJS said:I'd like to know what TissuePrice thinks will happen in the Brazil match tonight...
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It sounds like the Brexit White Paper will be a complete fudge if this is accurate.
https://www.channel4.com/news/by/gary-gibbon/blogs/brexit-white-paper-takes-shape0 -
Brazilians seem confident, or is this hubris before nemesis?AndyJS said:I'd like to know what TissuePrice thinks will happen in the Brazil match tonight...
https://twitter.com/FoxSportsBrasil/status/1012000729010180098
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A few talking points in this:
https://www.theguardian.com/money/2018/jun/27/londons-property-prices-leads-to-exodus-of-early-30s
' London’s expensive property prices are leading to an exodus of people in their early 30s from the capital, according to a report showing the economy of Britain’s biggest city increasingly dominated by low-skill jobs.
A report from the Resolution Foundation thinktank said the blow to living standards caused by high housing costs meant more people were leaving London than arriving from the rest of the UK.
While London’s overall population has grown by 1.6 million since 2001, the number of people in their early 30s leaving the capital has doubled since 2009 meaning net internal migration out of London climbed to 90,000 last year. '
' The thinktank said the average household in London is now paying a £5,400 “housing failure bill”, reflecting the extent to which rising housing costs had outpaced income growth over the last 50 years. Falling home ownership meant London was now the only region of the UK where the typical household had no net property wealth. '
' Job growth has largely been in low-paying, low-productivity sectors, such as hospitality (up 35%) and administrative services (up 29%). Even where employment had increased in higher-paying, high-productivity sectors, such as ICT and professional services, those sectors had seen a significant slump in productivity (down 5% and 2.5% respectively.)
As a result, London’s productivity had actually fallen over the last decade by 1%, compared to an increase of 1.5% across the UK as a whole. '
' People assume London’s economy has been running away from the rest of the UK since the financial crisis. But London’s economic growth is purely down to its population explosion, with hospitality replacing banking as the big growth sector in the capital. Sectors that have traditionally powered London’s productivity growth, from finance to IT, are if anything going backwards.
This shift has been great news for employment. But it means that London, far from racing ahead, has actually been holding the country back on productivity, with troubling consequences for pay and living standards. '0 -
I'm on Serbia outright but tonight's prices look fair enough.AndyJS said:I'd like to know what TissuePrice thinks will happen in the Brazil match tonight...
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That's good value IMO.rottenborough said:
I'm on Serbia at 8. Just for fun really. But who knows...AndyJS said:I'd like to know what TissuePrice thinks will happen in the Brazil match tonight...
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rottenborough said:
I'm on Serbia at 8. Just for fun really. But who knows...AndyJS said:I'd like to know what TissuePrice thinks will happen in the Brazil match tonight...
If Serbia beat Brazil, and Switzerland beat Costa Rica, the Brazilians could be going home too!ralphmalph said:If you want a competitive game tomorrow then support Serbia to beat Brazil. Currently with ENG and Brazil top of groups they meet in the Qtrs. Seeing as a draw tomorrow means we stay top need Brazil in second position for Belgium to have to get a result.
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If JRM is involved will it be toffee-nosed fudge?williamglenn said:It sounds like the Brexit White Paper will be a complete fudge if this is accurate.
https://www.channel4.com/news/by/gary-gibbon/blogs/brexit-white-paper-takes-shape0 -
Its a pity that the second SK goal didn't go in from 100 yards.0
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If Serbia beat Brazil and Switzerland don't lose then Brazil WILL be going home.Foxy said:rottenborough said:
I'm on Serbia at 8. Just for fun really. But who knows...AndyJS said:I'd like to know what TissuePrice thinks will happen in the Brazil match tonight...
If Serbia beat Brazil, and Switzerland beat Costa Rica, the Brazilians could be going home too!ralphmalph said:If you want a competitive game tomorrow then support Serbia to beat Brazil. Currently with ENG and Brazil top of groups they meet in the Qtrs. Seeing as a draw tomorrow means we stay top need Brazil in second position for Belgium to have to get a result.
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I think that we do need to allow that much of Londons GDP is produced by commuters from the Home Counties, rather than bone fide Londoners.another_richard said:A few talking points in this:
https://www.theguardian.com/money/2018/jun/27/londons-property-prices-leads-to-exodus-of-early-30s
' London’s expensive property prices are leading to an exodus of people in their early 30s from the capital, according to a report showing the economy of Britain’s biggest city increasingly dominated by low-skill jobs.
A report from the Resolution Foundation thinktank said the blow to living standards caused by high housing costs meant more people were leaving London than arriving from the rest of the UK.
While London’s overall population has grown by 1.6 million since 2001, the number of people in their early 30s leaving the capital has doubled since 2009 meaning net internal migration out of London climbed to 90,000 last year. '
' The thinktank said the average household in London is now paying a £5,400 “housing failure bill”, reflecting the extent to which rising housing costs had outpaced income growth over the last 50 years. Falling home ownership meant London was now the only region of the UK where the typical household had no net property wealth. '
' Job growth has largely been in low-paying, low-productivity sectors, such as hospitality (up 35%) and administrative services (up 29%). Even where employment had increased in higher-paying, high-productivity sectors, such as ICT and professional services, those sectors had seen a significant slump in productivity (down 5% and 2.5% respectively.)
As a result, London’s productivity had actually fallen over the last decade by 1%, compared to an increase of 1.5% across the UK as a whole. '
' People assume London’s economy has been running away from the rest of the UK since the financial crisis. But London’s economic growth is purely down to its population explosion, with hospitality replacing banking as the big growth sector in the capital. Sectors that have traditionally powered London’s productivity growth, from finance to IT, are if anything going backwards.
This shift has been great news for employment. But it means that London, far from racing ahead, has actually been holding the country back on productivity, with troubling consequences for pay and living standards. '0 -
My bet that Germany would be in the final has gone.Tissue_Price said:
I'm on Serbia outright but tonight's prices look fair enough.AndyJS said:I'd like to know what TissuePrice thinks will happen in the Brazil match tonight...
I'm so choked...0 -
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Isn't it always the case that young people move to London in their twenties and rent and have fun (at the most buying a flat) then in their 30s once they start a family use their London wage to buy a larger family home in the Home Counties and commute in to work?another_richard said:A few talking points in this:
https://www.theguardian.com/money/2018/jun/27/londons-property-prices-leads-to-exodus-of-early-30s
' London’s expensive property prices are leading to an exodus of people in their early 30s from the capital, according to a report showing the economy of Britain’s biggest city increasingly dominated by low-skill jobs.
A report from the Resolution Foundation thinktank said the blow to living standards caused by high housing costs meant more people were leaving London than arriving from the rest of the UK.
While London’s overall population has grown by 1.6 million since 2001, the number of people in their early 30s leaving the capital has doubled since 2009 meaning net internal migration out of London climbed to 90,000 last year. '
' The thinktank said the average household in London is now paying a £5,400 “housing failure bill”, reflecting the extent to which rising housing costs had outpaced income growth over the last 50 years. Falling home ownership meant London was now the only region of the UK where the typical household had no net property wealth. '
' Job growth has largely been in low-paying, low-productivity sectors, such as hospitality (up 35%) and administrative services (up 29%). Even where employment had increased in higher-paying, high-productivity sectors, such as ICT and professional services, those sectors had seen a significant slump in productivity (down 5% and 2.5% respectively.)
As a result, London’s productivity had actually fallen over the last decade by 1%, compared to an increase of 1.5% across the UK as a whole. '
' People assume London’s economy has been running away from the rest of the UK since the financial crisis. But London’s economic growth is purely down to its population explosion, with hospitality replacing banking as the big growth sector in the capital. Sectors that have traditionally powered London’s productivity growth, from finance to IT, are if anything going backwards.
This shift has been great news for employment. But it means that London, far from racing ahead, has actually been holding the country back on productivity, with troubling consequences for pay and living standards. '
London still has a higher average wage than the rest of the UK even with lower growth in productivity and also far higher property prices0 -
True.Foxy said:
I think that we do need to allow that much of Londons GDP is produced by commuters from the Home Counties, rather than bone fide Londoners.another_richard said:A few talking points in this:
https://www.theguardian.com/money/2018/jun/27/londons-property-prices-leads-to-exodus-of-early-30s
' London’s expensive property prices are leading to an exodus of people in their early 30s from the capital, according to a report showing the economy of Britain’s biggest city increasingly dominated by low-skill jobs.
A report from the Resolution Foundation thinktank said the blow to living standards caused by high housing costs meant more people were leaving London than arriving from the rest of the UK.
While London’s overall population has grown by 1.6 million since 2001, the number of people in their early 30s leaving the capital has doubled since 2009 meaning net internal migration out of London climbed to 90,000 last year. '
' The thinktank said the average household in London is now paying a £5,400 “housing failure bill”, reflecting the extent to which rising housing costs had outpaced income growth over the last 50 years. Falling home ownership meant London was now the only region of the UK where the typical household had no net property wealth. '
' Job growth has largely been in low-paying, low-productivity sectors, such as hospitality (up 35%) and administrative services (up 29%). Even where employment had increased in higher-paying, high-productivity sectors, such as ICT and professional services, those sectors had seen a significant slump in productivity (down 5% and 2.5% respectively.)
As a result, London’s productivity had actually fallen over the last decade by 1%, compared to an increase of 1.5% across the UK as a whole. '
' People assume London’s economy has been running away from the rest of the UK since the financial crisis. But London’s economic growth is purely down to its population explosion, with hospitality replacing banking as the big growth sector in the capital. Sectors that have traditionally powered London’s productivity growth, from finance to IT, are if anything going backwards.
This shift has been great news for employment. But it means that London, far from racing ahead, has actually been holding the country back on productivity, with troubling consequences for pay and living standards. '
But that's always been the case.
Now there might be more working from home these days and less location specific work but housing unaffordability and the collapse in home ownership in London must be acting as a serious negative for the young and talented to work there.0 -
Also if Brazil top the group tonight Belgium will not care how many goals England score. So Harry Kane could get a shed full. He is current 2/1 for golden boot. Closest competition Lukalu, will be told not to score. Then Ronaldo.
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Thanks for that. Amazing record.tlg86 said:This is the first World Cup since 1966 that England have gone further than Germany
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But who don't England and Belgium want to face in the following match.TheScreamingEagles said:
We’re meant to be resting key players too. Albeit not on the scale of Belgium.AlastairMeeks said:England now down to 9.6 last matched on Betfair for the tournament. I'm still humming and hawing over the optimal time to lay them. My guess is that they will beat a Belgian team that is resting key players, so after that?
I'll guess that would prefer Japan but not Colombia, with Senegal in the middle.
And they'll know who has topped Group H before they kick off.0 -
Probably been mentioned already, but ever since the World Cup expanded to 32 teams (in 1997), only Brazil have been immune to the Champion's Curse.
Every other defending champion has crashed out in the Group stage.
France, Italy, Spain, Germany.0 -
noAlastairMeeks said:
Brazilians seem confident, or is this hubris before nemesis?AndyJS said:I'd like to know what TissuePrice thinks will happen in the Brazil match tonight...
https://twitter.com/FoxSportsBrasil/status/1012000729010180098
the Brazilians lost 7-1 to Germany a while back, this is just pure joy from a grudge0 -
Brilliant.Scott_P said:0 -
Win and gain momentum! also the small matter of a much more pleasant St Petersburg for the Semi*another_richard said:
But who don't England and Belgium want to face in the following match.TheScreamingEagles said:
We’re meant to be resting key players too. Albeit not on the scale of Belgium.AlastairMeeks said:England now down to 9.6 last matched on Betfair for the tournament. I'm still humming and hawing over the optimal time to lay them. My guess is that they will beat a Belgian team that is resting key players, so after that?
I'll guess that would prefer Japan but not Colombia, with Senegal in the middle.
And they'll know who has topped Group H before they kick off.
*DOI: that is my match ticket!0 -
So who used to buy all those houses in London suburbia ?HYUFD said:
Isn't it always the case that young people move to London in their twenties and rent and have fun (at the most buying a flat) then in their 30s once they start a family use their London wage to buy a larger family home in the Home Counties and commute in to work?another_richard said:A few talking points in this:
https://www.theguardian.com/money/2018/jun/27/londons-property-prices-leads-to-exodus-of-early-30s
' London’s expensive property prices are leading to an exodus of people in their early 30s from the capital, according to a report showing the economy of Britain’s biggest city increasingly dominated by low-skill jobs.
A report from the Resolution Foundation thinktank said the blow to living standards caused by high housing costs meant more people were leaving London than arriving from the rest of the UK.
While London’s overall population has grown by 1.6 million since 2001, the number of people in their early 30s leaving the capital has doubled since 2009 meaning net internal migration out of London climbed to 90,000 last year. '
' The thinktank said the average household in London is now paying a £5,400 “housing failure bill”, reflecting the extent to which rising housing costs had outpaced income growth over the last 50 years. Falling home ownership meant London was now the only region of the UK where the typical household had no net property wealth. '
' Job growth has largely been in low-paying, low-productivity sectors, such as hospitality (up 35%) and administrative services (up 29%). Even where employment had increased in higher-paying, high-productivity sectors, such as ICT and professional services, those sectors had seen a significant slump in productivity (down 5% and 2.5% respectively.)
As a result, London’s productivity had actually fallen over the last decade by 1%, compared to an increase of 1.5% across the UK as a whole. '
' People assume London’s economy has been running away from the rest of the UK since the financial crisis. But London’s economic growth is purely down to its population explosion, with hospitality replacing banking as the big growth sector in the capital. Sectors that have traditionally powered London’s productivity growth, from finance to IT, are if anything going backwards.
This shift has been great news for employment. But it means that London, far from racing ahead, has actually been holding the country back on productivity, with troubling consequences for pay and living standards. '0 -
Argentina are still in.....MarqueeMark said:So who are we going to lose to on penalties now?
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I wish I had spotted thatTheScreamingEagles said:0 -
The only other WC where England have gone further was 1950 and that's because Germany wasn't there.OblitusSumMe said:
Thanks for that. Amazing record.tlg86 said:This is the first World Cup since 1966 that England have gone further than Germany
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Plenty of experts (I know) have said to rest players is a mistake. If the team is playing well and gelling then why mess with it?AlastairMeeks said:England now down to 9.6 last matched on Betfair for the tournament. I'm still humming and hawing over the optimal time to lay them. My guess is that they will beat a Belgian team that is resting key players, so after that?
I mean also rest from what? Two games in two weeks, longer? These are athletes at the top of their game here.0 -
@another_richard
Re the London property market and the early 30s, for my generation (I'm 43) lots of people turned up in London in 1995 to get jobs post University. Most bought flats in London in their mid 20s, which they'd struggle to do today, but then moved out of London in their early 30s when they got married and had kids.
I think that exodus - to places where you get more for your money - is not particularly unusual. It may be that there is more of an exodus now than there was.
If there is, the best evidence to see it would be in primary school rolls. So, if we see the number of primary pupils in decline, it suggests either that families are being forced out (at a more than normal rate) by those without kids, living in cramped accommodation, or by people who are sufficiently wealthy (the global elite) to send their kids to private school.
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Now small matter of England vs Australia in the T20.0
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I think that the England Belgium game will be competitive but in a different way. For many of the players in the squad this is their world cup. But it is also their chance to play their way into the starting 11 for the next round. So it will be more about the individuals than the team.
Seriously tempted to put a few quid on Rashford to score, possibly twice.0 -
But it would give an opportunity to try something else in problem areas.TOPPING said:
Plenty of experts (I know) have said to rest players is a mistake. If the team is playing well and gelling then why mess with it?AlastairMeeks said:England now down to 9.6 last matched on Betfair for the tournament. I'm still humming and hawing over the optimal time to lay them. My guess is that they will beat a Belgian team that is resting key players, so after that?
I mean also rest from what? Two games in two weeks, longer? These are athletes at the top of their game here.
Rashford instead of Raheem Sterling for example.0 -
Both excellent I can't see one game affecting that. Is Sterling having an off moment? Not to my mind. The goals will come.another_richard said:
But it would give an opportunity to try something else in problem areas.TOPPING said:
Plenty of experts (I know) have said to rest players is a mistake. If the team is playing well and gelling then why mess with it?AlastairMeeks said:England now down to 9.6 last matched on Betfair for the tournament. I'm still humming and hawing over the optimal time to lay them. My guess is that they will beat a Belgian team that is resting key players, so after that?
I mean also rest from what? Two games in two weeks, longer? These are athletes at the top of their game here.
Rashford instead of Raheem Sterling for example.0 -
From https://www.gov.uk/government/collections/statistics-school-and-pupil-numbersrcs1000 said:@another_richard
Re the London property market and the early 30s, for my generation (I'm 43) lots of people turned up in London in 1995 to get jobs post University. Most bought flats in London in their mid 20s, which they'd struggle to do today, but then moved out of London in their early 30s when they got married and had kids.
I think that exodus - to places where you get more for your money - is not particularly unusual. It may be that there is more of an exodus now than there was.
If there is, the best evidence to see it would be in primary school rolls. So, if we see the number of primary pupils in decline, it suggests either that families are being forced out (at a more than normal rate) by those without kids, living in cramped accommodation, or by people who are sufficiently wealthy (the global elite) to send their kids to private school.
Number of children at state primary schools in London
2010: 644,630
2017: 759,584
Hard to see the evidence of more people fleeing London in their early 30s from that. It might be that the people are on average more deprived, and if so that will show up in the free school meal stats.0 -
They have the Frogs on Saturday, I think that will send them home.FrancisUrquhart said:
Argentina are still in.....MarqueeMark said:So who are we going to lose to on penalties now?
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Yes England lost on penalties to Argentina in 1998.FrancisUrquhart said:
Argentina are still in.....MarqueeMark said:So who are we going to lose to on penalties now?
Perfectly good English goal , disallowed in extra time.
Also a harsh sending off Beckham.0 -
Pooor alten Deutschland, klopfte in den letzten 32. Eine nationale Schande???0
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2010 - proportion of infant school kids getting free school meals in London 42.7%!rcs1000 said:
From https://www.gov.uk/government/collections/statistics-school-and-pupil-numbersrcs1000 said:@another_richard
Re the London property market and the early 30s, for my generation (I'm 43) lots of people turned up in London in 1995 to get jobs post University. Most bought flats in London in their mid 20s, which they'd struggle to do today, but then moved out of London in their early 30s when they got married and had kids.
I think that exodus - to places where you get more for your money - is not particularly unusual. It may be that there is more of an exodus now than there was.
If there is, the best evidence to see it would be in primary school rolls. So, if we see the number of primary pupils in decline, it suggests either that families are being forced out (at a more than normal rate) by those without kids, living in cramped accommodation, or by people who are sufficiently wealthy (the global elite) to send their kids to private school.
Number of children at state primary schools in London
2010: 644,630
2017: 759,584
Hard to see the evidence of more people fleeing London in their early 30s from that. It might be that the people are on average more deprived, and if so that will show up in the free school meal stats.
2018 36.8%
Staggeringly high numbers. But clearly what you are identifying is not a new trend, given things have significantly improved since 2010.0 -
Inner London in 2010, 52.8% of infant kids got free school meals, and Camden was 58.3%.rcs1000 said:
2010 - proportion of infant school kids getting free school meals in London 42.7%!rcs1000 said:
From https://www.gov.uk/government/collections/statistics-school-and-pupil-numbersrcs1000 said:@another_richard
Re the London property market and the early 30s, for my generation (I'm 43) lots of people turned up in London in 1995 to get jobs post University. Most bought flats in London in their mid 20s, which they'd struggle to do today, but then moved out of London in their early 30s when they got married and had kids.
I think that exodus - to places where you get more for your money - is not particularly unusual. It may be that there is more of an exodus now than there was.
If there is, the best evidence to see it would be in primary school rolls. So, if we see the number of primary pupils in decline, it suggests either that families are being forced out (at a more than normal rate) by those without kids, living in cramped accommodation, or by people who are sufficiently wealthy (the global elite) to send their kids to private school.
Number of children at state primary schools in London
2010: 644,630
2017: 759,584
Hard to see the evidence of more people fleeing London in their early 30s from that. It might be that the people are on average more deprived, and if so that will show up in the free school meal stats.
2018 36.8%
Staggeringly high numbers. But clearly what you are identifying is not a new trend, given things have significantly improved since 2010.0 -
I wonder if the criteria have got tougher. I agree the percentages are amazing. In some parts of London it must be close to universal.rcs1000 said:
2010 - proportion of infant school kids getting free school meals in London 42.7%!rcs1000 said:
From https://www.gov.uk/government/collections/statistics-school-and-pupil-numbersrcs1000 said:@another_richard
Re the London property market and the early 30s, for my generation (I'm 43) lots of people turned up in London in 1995 to get jobs post University. Most bought flats in London in their mid 20s, which they'd struggle to do today, but then moved out of London in their early 30s when they got married and had kids.
I think that exodus - to places where you get more for your money - is not particularly unusual. It may be that there is more of an exodus now than there was.
If there is, the best evidence to see it would be in primary school rolls. So, if we see the number of primary pupils in decline, it suggests either that families are being forced out (at a more than normal rate) by those without kids, living in cramped accommodation, or by people who are sufficiently wealthy (the global elite) to send their kids to private school.
Number of children at state primary schools in London
2010: 644,630
2017: 759,584
Hard to see the evidence of more people fleeing London in their early 30s from that. It might be that the people are on average more deprived, and if so that will show up in the free school meal stats.
2018 36.8%
Staggeringly high numbers. But clearly what you are identifying is not a new trend, given things have significantly improved since 2010.0 -
Is it the Dinkies that are fleeing London, rather than the yummy mummies?rcs1000 said:
2010 - proportion of infant school kids getting free school meals in London 42.7%!rcs1000 said:
From https://www.gov.uk/government/collections/statistics-school-and-pupil-numbersrcs1000 said:@another_richard
Re the London property market and the early 30s, for my generation (I'm 43) lots of people turned up in London in 1995 to get jobs post University. Most bought flats in London in their mid 20s, which they'd struggle to do today, but then moved out of London in their early 30s when they got married and had kids.
I think that exodus - to places where you get more for your money - is not particularly unusual. It may be that there is more of an exodus now than there was.
If there is, the best evidence to see it would be in primary school rolls. So, if we see the number of primary pupils in decline, it suggests either that families are being forced out (at a more than normal rate) by those without kids, living in cramped accommodation, or by people who are sufficiently wealthy (the global elite) to send their kids to private school.
Number of children at state primary schools in London
2010: 644,630
2017: 759,584
Hard to see the evidence of more people fleeing London in their early 30s from that. It might be that the people are on average more deprived, and if so that will show up in the free school meal stats.
2018 36.8%
Staggeringly high numbers. But clearly what you are identifying is not a new trend, given things have significantly improved since 2010.0 -
First story on BBC six o'clock news.TheScreamingEagles said:0 -
Second City?TheScreamingEagles said:0 -
Take a look at the BBC Have Your Say responses to proposal for new tax to fund social care.
Absolutely massive opposition by ratio of about 10:1.
Link - sort comments by highest rated.
Surely it's going to be impossible to get any specific brand new tax passed Con backbenchers (other than something like freezing thresholds).
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-446210470 -
Even in the Eighties when I was a student in London, it was a place that you could live in only if you were very rich, or very poor. That seems to have become even more true.rcs1000 said:
Inner London in 2010, 52.8% of infant kids got free school meals, and Camden was 58.3%.rcs1000 said:
2010 - proportion of infant school kids getting free school meals in London 42.7%!rcs1000 said:
From https://www.gov.uk/government/collections/statistics-school-and-pupil-numbersrcs1000 said:@another_richard
Re the London property market and the early 30s, for my generation (I'm 43) lots of people turned up in London in 1995 to get jobs post University. Most bought flats in London in their mid 20s, which they'd struggle to do today, but then moved out of London in their early 30s when they got married and had kids.
I think that exodus - to places where you get more for your money - is not particularly unusual. It may be that there is more of an exodus now than there was.
If there is, the best evidence to see it would be in primary school rolls. So, if we see the number of primary pupils in decline, it suggests either that families are being forced out (at a more than normal rate) by those without kids, living in cramped accommodation, or by people who are sufficiently wealthy (the global elite) to send their kids to private school.
Number of children at state primary schools in London
2010: 644,630
2017: 759,584
Hard to see the evidence of more people fleeing London in their early 30s from that. It might be that the people are on average more deprived, and if so that will show up in the free school meal stats.
2018 36.8%
Staggeringly high numbers. But clearly what you are identifying is not a new trend, given things have significantly improved since 2010.0 -
More people think Manchester is UK's second city than BirminghamDavidL said:
Second City?TheScreamingEagles said:
https://www.birminghammail.co.uk/news/midlands-news/more-people-think-manchester-uks-124335290 -
Australia to field first. What's a good score at Edgbaston? 190?0
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I think Manchester proper is about half the size but the whole surrounding area has a larger population, whatever that proves.TheScreamingEagles said:
More people think Manchester is UK's second city than BirminghamDavidL said:
Second City?TheScreamingEagles said:
https://www.birminghammail.co.uk/news/midlands-news/more-people-think-manchester-uks-124335290 -
Just in case no one's thought of this as a headline …
For you, Fritz, the VAR is over.0 -
I work in Manchester (and occasionally live there) ergo is the second city of the UK after Sheffield.DavidL said:
I think Manchester proper is about half the size but the whole surrounding area has a larger population, whatever that proves.TheScreamingEagles said:
More people think Manchester is UK's second city than BirminghamDavidL said:
Second City?TheScreamingEagles said:
https://www.birminghammail.co.uk/news/midlands-news/more-people-think-manchester-uks-12433529
I think between George Osborne's Northern Powerhouse and the IRA helping to launch a massive regeneration project Manchester has supplanted Birmingham.
I think City's Etihand Campus helps too.0 -
If I were a headline writer I’d go for “Seoul casualty”.CD13 said:Just in case no one's thought of this as a headline …
For you, Fritz, the VAR is over.0 -
chortleTheScreamingEagles said:
I work in Manchester (and occasionally live there) ergo is the second city of the UK after Sheffield.DavidL said:
I think Manchester proper is about half the size but the whole surrounding area has a larger population, whatever that proves.TheScreamingEagles said:
More people think Manchester is UK's second city than BirminghamDavidL said:
Second City?TheScreamingEagles said:
https://www.birminghammail.co.uk/news/midlands-news/more-people-think-manchester-uks-12433529
I think between George Osborne's Northern Powerhouse and the IRA helping to launch a massive regeneration project Manchester has supplanted Birmingham.
I think City's Etihand Campus helps too.
Brum is currently a sea of cranes
Mankies need to get out more
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Birmingham is definitely back on the up. Five years ago it seemed to be in a long term spiral of decline.Alanbrooke said:
chortleTheScreamingEagles said:
I work in Manchester (and occasionally live there) ergo is the second city of the UK after Sheffield.DavidL said:
I think Manchester proper is about half the size but the whole surrounding area has a larger population, whatever that proves.TheScreamingEagles said:
More people think Manchester is UK's second city than BirminghamDavidL said:
Second City?TheScreamingEagles said:
https://www.birminghammail.co.uk/news/midlands-news/more-people-think-manchester-uks-12433529
I think between George Osborne's Northern Powerhouse and the IRA helping to launch a massive regeneration project Manchester has supplanted Birmingham.
I think City's Etihand Campus helps too.
Brum is currently a sea of cranes
Mankies need to get out more0 -
They are wrong.TheScreamingEagles said:
More people think Manchester is UK's second city than BirminghamDavidL said:
Second City?TheScreamingEagles said:
https://www.birminghammail.co.uk/news/midlands-news/more-people-think-manchester-uks-124335290 -
Have criteria changed ?rcs1000 said:
2010 - proportion of infant school kids getting free school meals in London 42.7%!rcs1000 said:
From https://www.gov.uk/government/collections/statistics-school-and-pupil-numbersrcs1000 said:@another_richard
Re the London property market and the early 30s, for my generation (I'm 43) lots of people turned up in London in 1995 to get jobs post University. Most bought flats in London in their mid 20s, which they'd struggle to do today, but then moved out of London in their early 30s when they got married and had kids.
I think that exodus - to places where you get more for your money - is not particularly unusual. It may be that there is more of an exodus now than there was.
If there is, the best evidence to see it would be in primary school rolls. So, if we see the number of primary pupils in decline, it suggests either that families are being forced out (at a more than normal rate) by those without kids, living in cramped accommodation, or by people who are sufficiently wealthy (the global elite) to send their kids to private school.
Number of children at state primary schools in London
2010: 644,630
2017: 759,584
Hard to see the evidence of more people fleeing London in their early 30s from that. It might be that the people are on average more deprived, and if so that will show up in the free school meal stats.
2018 36.8%
Staggeringly high numbers. But clearly what you are identifying is not a new trend, given things have significantly improved since 2010.
You would need to compare it with non London boroughs to see the relative change.
As to the number of school kids couldn't that be explained by the kids of the much increased 'hospitality class' workers ?
The big falls in home ownership and the reported falls in socioeconomic levels in middle suburbia suggest that the London middle classes are being squeezed from both ends.0 -
Manchester and Sheffield are both a sea of cranes.Alanbrooke said:
chortleTheScreamingEagles said:
I work in Manchester (and occasionally live there) ergo is the second city of the UK after Sheffield.DavidL said:
I think Manchester proper is about half the size but the whole surrounding area has a larger population, whatever that proves.TheScreamingEagles said:
More people think Manchester is UK's second city than BirminghamDavidL said:
Second City?TheScreamingEagles said:
https://www.birminghammail.co.uk/news/midlands-news/more-people-think-manchester-uks-12433529
I think between George Osborne's Northern Powerhouse and the IRA helping to launch a massive regeneration project Manchester has supplanted Birmingham.
I think City's Etihand Campus helps too.
Brum is currently a sea of cranes
Mankies need to get out more
Plus you can understand Mancs and Sheffielders, Brummies you cannot.0 -
Never mind, I now see I was an hour late.
Sorry.0 -
Raheem Sterling has scored twice for England from 40 games.TOPPING said:
Both excellent I can't see one game affecting that. Is Sterling having an off moment? Not to my mind. The goals will come.another_richard said:
But it would give an opportunity to try something else in problem areas.TOPPING said:
Plenty of experts (I know) have said to rest players is a mistake. If the team is playing well and gelling then why mess with it?AlastairMeeks said:England now down to 9.6 last matched on Betfair for the tournament. I'm still humming and hawing over the optimal time to lay them. My guess is that they will beat a Belgian team that is resting key players, so after that?
I mean also rest from what? Two games in two weeks, longer? These are athletes at the top of their game here.
Rashford instead of Raheem Sterling for example.
Clearly the goals haven't come.0 -
HS2 will move it South. Eventually...AlastairMeeks said:
Birmingham is definitely back on the up. Five years ago it seemed to be in a long term spiral of decline.Alanbrooke said:
chortleTheScreamingEagles said:
I work in Manchester (and occasionally live there) ergo is the second city of the UK after Sheffield.DavidL said:
I think Manchester proper is about half the size but the whole surrounding area has a larger population, whatever that proves.TheScreamingEagles said:
More people think Manchester is UK's second city than BirminghamDavidL said:
Second City?TheScreamingEagles said:
https://www.birminghammail.co.uk/news/midlands-news/more-people-think-manchester-uks-12433529
I think between George Osborne's Northern Powerhouse and the IRA helping to launch a massive regeneration project Manchester has supplanted Birmingham.
I think City's Etihand Campus helps too.
Brum is currently a sea of cranes
Mankies need to get out more0 -
There was no choice to send Beckham off, what made it look harsh was that it was such a pathetic kick out.Yorkcity said:
Yes England lost on penalties to Argentina in 1998.FrancisUrquhart said:
Argentina are still in.....MarqueeMark said:So who are we going to lose to on penalties now?
Perfectly good English goal , disallowed in extra time.
Also a harsh sending off Beckham.
And Owen dived to get a penalty.
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I thought it was LondonRichard_Tyndall said:
They are wrong.TheScreamingEagles said:
More people think Manchester is UK's second city than BirminghamDavidL said:
Second City?TheScreamingEagles said:
https://www.birminghammail.co.uk/news/midlands-news/more-people-think-manchester-uks-124335290 -
London suburbia is demographically closer to the Home Counties than Inner London admittedly, homes are significantly cheaper though wages are lower. The property owning London lower middle class and skilled working class is concentrated in the London suburbs.another_richard said:
So who used to buy all those houses in London suburbia ?HYUFD said:
Isn't it always the case that young people move to London in their twenties and rent and have fun (at the most buying a flat) then in their 30s once they start a family use their London wage to buy a larger family home in the Home Counties and commute in to work?another_richard said:A few talking points in this:
https://www.theguardian.com/money/2018/jun/27/londons-property-prices-leads-to-exodus-of-early-30s
' London’s expensive property prices are leading to an exodus of people in their early 30s from the capital, according to a report showing the economy of Britain’s biggest city increasingly dominated by low-skill jobs.
A report from the Resolution Foundation thinktank said the blow to living standards caused by high housing costs meant more people were leaving London than arriving from the rest of the UK.
While London’s overall population has grown by 1.6 million since the only region of the UK where the typical household had no net property wealth. '
' Job growth has largely been in low-paying, low-productivity sectors, such as hospitality (up 35%) and administrative services (up 29%). Even where employment had increased in higher-paying, high-productivity sectors, such as ICT and professional services, those sectors had seen a significant slump in productivity (down 5% and 2.5% respectively.)
As a result, London’s productivity had actually fallen over the last decade by 1%, compared to an increase of 1.5% across the UK as a whole. '
' People assume London’s economy has been running away from the rest of the UK since the financial crisis. But London’s economic growth is purely down to its population explosion, with hospitality replacing banking as the big growth sector in the capital. Sectors that have traditionally powered London’s productivity growth, from finance to IT, are if anything going backwards.
This shift has been great news for employment. But it means that London, far from racing ahead, has actually been holding the country back on productivity, with troubling consequences for pay and living standards. '
The London suburbs also had a far bigger Leave vote in 2016 and a bigger Tory vote in 2017 and 2018 than Inner London0 -
No, no, no, you're both wrong. Construction is in recession. It always is.TheScreamingEagles said:
Manchester and Sheffield are both a sea of cranes.Alanbrooke said:
chortleTheScreamingEagles said:
I work in Manchester (and occasionally live there) ergo is the second city of the UK after Sheffield.DavidL said:
I think Manchester proper is about half the size but the whole surrounding area has a larger population, whatever that proves.TheScreamingEagles said:
More people think Manchester is UK's second city than BirminghamDavidL said:
Second City?TheScreamingEagles said:
https://www.birminghammail.co.uk/news/midlands-news/more-people-think-manchester-uks-12433529
I think between George Osborne's Northern Powerhouse and the IRA helping to launch a massive regeneration project Manchester has supplanted Birmingham.
I think City's Etihand Campus helps too.
Brum is currently a sea of cranes
Mankies need to get out more
Plus you can understand Mancs and Sheffielders, Brummies you cannot.0 -
wrecking balls have their usesTheScreamingEagles said:
Manchester and Sheffield are both a sea of cranes.Alanbrooke said:
chortleTheScreamingEagles said:
I work in Manchester (and occasionally live there) ergo is the second city of the UK after Sheffield.DavidL said:
I think Manchester proper is about half the size but the whole surrounding area has a larger population, whatever that proves.TheScreamingEagles said:
More people think Manchester is UK's second city than BirminghamDavidL said:
Second City?TheScreamingEagles said:
https://www.birminghammail.co.uk/news/midlands-news/more-people-think-manchester-uks-12433529
I think between George Osborne's Northern Powerhouse and the IRA helping to launch a massive regeneration project Manchester has supplanted Birmingham.
I think City's Etihand Campus helps too.
Brum is currently a sea of cranes
Mankies need to get out more
Plus you can understand Mancs and Sheffielders, Brummies you cannot.0 -
This is the correct answer. London is so dominant in the UK that the only way you can get a power law to work in relation to its cities is by treating London as two cities, making it the first and second cities of Britain. Then the other British cities conform reasonably well to a power law.MikeSmithson said:
I thought it was LondonRichard_Tyndall said:
They are wrong.TheScreamingEagles said:
More people think Manchester is UK's second city than BirminghamDavidL said:
Second City?TheScreamingEagles said:
https://www.birminghammail.co.uk/news/midlands-news/more-people-think-manchester-uks-124335290 -
But home ownership in outer London has been falling rapidly which must mean that the young middle classes are being squeezed out.HYUFD said:
London suburbia is demographically closer to the Home Counties than Inner London admittedly, homes are significantly cheaper though wages are lower. The property owning London lower middle class and skilled working class is concentrated in the London suburbs.another_richard said:
So who used to buy all those houses in London suburbia ?HYUFD said:
Isn't it always the case that young people move to London in their twenties and rent and have fun (at the most buying a flat) then in their 30s once they start a family use their London wage to buy a larger family home in the Home Counties and commute in to work?another_richard said:A few talking points in this:
https://www.theguardian.com/money/2018/jun/27/londons-property-prices-leads-to-exodus-of-early-30s
' London’s expensive property prices are leading to an exodus of people in their early 30s from the capital, according to a report showing the economy of Britain’s biggest city increasingly dominated by low-skill jobs.
A report from the Resolution Foundation thinktank said the blow to living standards caused by high housing costs meant more people were leaving London than arriving from the rest of the UK.
While London’s overall population has grown by 1.6 million since the only region of the UK where the typical household had no net property wealth. '
' Job growth has largely been in low-paying, low-productivity sectors, such as hospitality (up 35%) and administrative services (up 29%). Even where employment had increased in higher-paying, high-productivity sectors, such as ICT and professional services, those sectors had seen a significant slump in productivity (down 5% and 2.5% respectively.)
As a result, London’s productivity had actually fallen over the last decade by 1%, compared to an increase of 1.5% across the UK as a whole. '
' People assume London’s economy has been running away from the rest of the UK since the financial crisis. But London’s economic growth is purely down to its population explosion, with hospitality replacing banking as the big growth sector in the capital. Sectors that have traditionally powered London’s productivity growth, from finance to IT, are if anything going backwards.
This shift has been great news for employment. But it means that London, far from racing ahead, has actually been holding the country back on productivity, with troubling consequences for pay and living standards. '
The London suburbs also had a far bigger Leave vote in 2016 and a bigger Tory vote in 2017 than Inner London0 -
Manchester voted to give Andy Burnham a position of responsibilityTheScreamingEagles said:
Manchester and Sheffield are both a sea of cranes.Alanbrooke said:
chortleTheScreamingEagles said:
I work in Manchester (and occasionally live there) ergo is the second city of the UK after Sheffield.DavidL said:
I think Manchester proper is about half the size but the whole surrounding area has a larger population, whatever that proves.TheScreamingEagles said:
More people think Manchester is UK's second city than BirminghamDavidL said:
Second City?TheScreamingEagles said:
https://www.birminghammail.co.uk/news/midlands-news/more-people-think-manchester-uks-12433529
I think between George Osborne's Northern Powerhouse and the IRA helping to launch a massive regeneration project Manchester has supplanted Birmingham.
I think City's Etihand Campus helps too.
Brum is currently a sea of cranes
Mankies need to get out more
Plus you can understand Mancs and Sheffielders, Brummies you cannot.
I rest my case.
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Make sure you rest it within sight at all times. Otherwise it will be taken away by the British Transport Police and may be destroyed.Alanbrooke said:
Manchester voted to give Andy Burnham a position of responsibilityTheScreamingEagles said:
Manchester and Sheffield are both a sea of cranes.Alanbrooke said:
chortleTheScreamingEagles said:
I work in Manchester (and occasionally live there) ergo is the second city of the UK after Sheffield.DavidL said:
I think Manchester proper is about half the size but the whole surrounding area has a larger population, whatever that proves.TheScreamingEagles said:
More people think Manchester is UK's second city than BirminghamDavidL said:
Second City?TheScreamingEagles said:
https://www.birminghammail.co.uk/news/midlands-news/more-people-think-manchester-uks-12433529
I think between George Osborne's Northern Powerhouse and the IRA helping to launch a massive regeneration project Manchester has supplanted Birmingham.
I think City's Etihand Campus helps too.
Brum is currently a sea of cranes
Mankies need to get out more
Plus you can understand Mancs and Sheffielders, Brummies you cannot.
I rest my case.
Sorry, I think I spend too much time travelling by train!0 -
You keep on electing Jack Dromey and Liam Byrne as your MPs.Alanbrooke said:
Manchester voted to give Andy Burnham a position of responsibility
I rest my case.0