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Boris's response to the Airbus decision – "F**k business" ' | via @telegraph https://t.co/NT7QO6kEwP
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Second - like Remain....0
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To be fair to Boris most Leave voters effectively said 'FU' to big business when they voted Leave despite all the warnings from business about the risks to the economy of leaving the EU. They just decided to put sovereignty and reducing immigration first
In any case given the choice of Boris v Corbyn I expect most top businesspeople would either still vote for Boris or abstain or vote LD rather than vote for Corbyn Labour0 -
The will of the people.
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True , Boris wins against Corbyn.HYUFD said:To be fair to Boris most Leave voters effectively said 'FU' to big business when they voted Leave despite all the warnings from business about the risks to the economy of leaving the EU. Tgey just decides to put sovereignty and reducing immigration first
In any case given the choice of Boris v Corbyn I expect most top businesspeople would either still vote for Boris or abstain or vote LD rather than vote for Corbyn Labour
Boris against Emily Thornberry , would be a close call.
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Doesn’t look like 17.6m people there, maybe about 17.55m short?williamglenn said:The will of the people.
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Let’s have a vote to see how many are there in spirit.Sandpit said:
Doesn’t look like 17.6m people there, maybe about 17.55m short?williamglenn said:The will of the people.
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Doesn't look anywhere near the 400 000 of the 2002 Countryside March let alone the over a million who marched against the Iraq War in 2003 and neither of those achieved their aims given Blair was re elected in 2005williamglenn said:The will of the people.
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We did. Exactly two years ago, remember?williamglenn said:
Let’s have a vote to see how many are there in spirit.Sandpit said:
Doesn’t look like 17.6m people there, maybe about 17.55m short?williamglenn said:The will of the people.
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What Irish farmers want:
“Our position remains: no border on the island of Ireland, no border in the Irish Sea and no scope for the UK to pursue a cheap food policy.”
https://www.irishtimes.com/news/ireland/irish-news/farmers-face-armageddon-if-hard-border-is-created-ifa-1.3540137?mode=amp0 -
As Trump v Hillary was though it looks Corbyn has the Labour membership and the leadership sewn up until the next general electionYorkcity said:
True , Boris wins against Corbyn.HYUFD said:To be fair to Boris most Leave voters effectively said 'FU' to big business when they voted Leave despite all the warnings from business about the risks to the economy of leaving the EU. Tgey just decides to put sovereignty and reducing immigration first
In any case given the choice of Boris v Corbyn I expect most top businesspeople would either still vote for Boris or abstain or vote LD rather than vote for Corbyn Labour
Boris against Emily Thornberry , would be a close call.0 -
I see John Redwood is implicitly joining in the calls to nationalise Airbus.
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After booing Downing Street some of the marchers also chanted 'Where's Jeremy Corbyn?'
Hundreds of people have also arrived at the Leave counter demonstration for 'UK Unity and Freedom'
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Boris in The Sun:
We were told that this country would become a global leper shunned by investors and shorn of influence.
And what has really happened?
Unemployment has fallen by 250,000 to a new low of 4.2 per cent while record numbers of jobs have been created – including no fewer than 8 for the former chancellor and chief architect of project fear who has become a glorious living rebuttal of his own preposterous warnings.
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Sure. In 40 years like we did after the last referendum when the pro-EU side won.williamglenn said:
Let’s have a vote to see how many are there in spirit.Sandpit said:
Doesn’t look like 17.6m people there, maybe about 17.55m short?williamglenn said:The will of the people.
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Well they are going to be disappointed on at least one of those for sure.CarlottaVance said:What Irish farmers want:
“Our position remains: no border on the island of Ireland, no border in the Irish Sea and no scope for the UK to pursue a cheap food policy.”
https://www.irishtimes.com/news/ireland/irish-news/farmers-face-armageddon-if-hard-border-is-created-ifa-1.3540137?mode=amp0 -
The Irish are putting their own farming profits ahead of the UK consumer. That is understandable but we shouldn't fall for it.CarlottaVance said:What Irish farmers want:
“Our position remains: no border on the island of Ireland, no border in the Irish Sea and no scope for the UK to pursue a cheap food policy.”
https://www.irishtimes.com/news/ireland/irish-news/farmers-face-armageddon-if-hard-border-is-created-ifa-1.3540137?mode=amp0 -
Signs of a Boris Mogg pact to succeed May? If so that could be unstoppable especially if Gove joins as wellCarlottaVance said:Boris in The Sun:
We were told that this country would become a global leper shunned by investors and shorn of influence.
And what has really happened?
Unemployment has fallen by 250,000 to a new low of 4.2 per cent while record numbers of jobs have been created – including no fewer than 8 for the former chancellor and chief architect of project fear who has become a glorious living rebuttal of his own preposterous warnings.
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The will of the people is that expressed by the 17.4 million who voted to Leave not that tiny sum of refuseniks who can't muster a protest anywhere near the scale of the Iraq War or Countryside Alliance protests.williamglenn said:The will of the people.
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Boris, sadly, has lost his mind. I suspect it's the whole Rees-Mogg usurpation that caused it: it must be like the biggest, strongest, most handsome and charismatic kid in school suddenly losing the captaincy of the rugger team and all the girls to the class swot.0
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Actually within one general election people had the chance to vote for a major party promising to reverse the referendum result.Elliot said:
Sure. In 40 years like we did after the last referendum when the pro-EU side won.williamglenn said:
Let’s have a vote to see how many are there in spirit.Sandpit said:
Doesn’t look like 17.6m people there, maybe about 17.55m short?williamglenn said:The will of the people.
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Totally unsurprising, Mr HYUFD. Corbyn has betrayed the country every bit as much as Mrs May, in their wild stampede to wreck the economy. Nothing to choose between them in their heartless personal ambition.HYUFD said:After booing Downing Street some of the marchers also chanted 'Where's Jeremy Corbyn?'
Hundreds of people have also arrived at the Leave counter demonstration for 'UK Unity and Freedom'
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Both are focused on the handful of mainly Leave voting Tory and Labour marginals that will decide the next general election that is whyPClipp said:
Totally unsurprising, Mr HYUFD. Corbyn has betrayed the country every bit as much as Mrs May, in their wild stampede to wreck the economy. Nothing to choose between them in their heartless personal ambition.HYUFD said:After booing Downing Street some of the marchers also chanted 'Where's Jeremy Corbyn?'
Hundreds of people have also arrived at the Leave counter demonstration for 'UK Unity and Freedom'
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That's a good-sized demonstration, but no more than that.williamglenn said:The will of the people.
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I see you prefer 17.4 million to 52%, although it's the same thing.Philip_Thompson said:
The will of the people is that expressed by the 17.4 million who voted to Leave not that tiny sum of refuseniks who can't muster a protest anywhere near the scale of the Iraq War or Countryside Alliance protests.williamglenn said:The will of the people.
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Most Tories must be praying that the old Marxist Jezza doesn't fall under a bus. What an even vaguely pro-business Labour leader could do to them now is truly frightening.williamglenn said:I see John Redwood is implicitly joining in the calls to nationalise Airbus.
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A "counter demonstration for unity". You couldn't make it up.HYUFD said:Hundreds of people have also arrived at the Leave counter demonstration for 'UK Unity and Freedom'
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If Labour's members wanted a leader who would oppose Brexit, they should have voted for anyone but Corbyn.PClipp said:
Totally unsurprising, Mr HYUFD. Corbyn has betrayed the country every bit as much as Mrs May, in their wild stampede to wreck the economy. Nothing to choose between them in their heartless personal ambition.HYUFD said:After booing Downing Street some of the marchers also chanted 'Where's Jeremy Corbyn?'
Hundreds of people have also arrived at the Leave counter demonstration for 'UK Unity and Freedom'
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No they didn't. Within one GE would be 1979 and none of the three major parties were promising to reverse the referendum result.williamglenn said:
Actually within one general election people had the chance to vote for a major party promising to reverse the referendum result.Elliot said:
Sure. In 40 years like we did after the last referendum when the pro-EU side won.williamglenn said:
Let’s have a vote to see how many are there in spirit.Sandpit said:
Doesn’t look like 17.6m people there, maybe about 17.55m short?williamglenn said:The will of the people.
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In Remain voting areas maybe, in Leave voting areas not so muchStark_Dawning said:
Most Tories must be praying that the old Marxist Jezza doesn't fall under a bus. What an even vaguely pro-business Labour leader could do to them now is truly frightening.williamglenn said:I see John Redwood is implicitly joining in the calls to nationalise Airbus.
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The Tory party is dead. Not sure what this now is, but it isn’t the Tory party.CarlottaVance said:
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The Leave voters in the rust belt will only ever be fair-weather friends to the Tories (if that). Insult, patronize and dismiss your core supporters - as Boris and his kind seem determined to do - and you face political death.HYUFD said:
In Remain voting areas maybe, in Leave voting areas not so muchStark_Dawning said:
Most Tories must be praying that the old Marxist Jezza doesn't fall under a bus. What an even vaguely pro-business Labour leader could do to them now is truly frightening.williamglenn said:I see John Redwood is implicitly joining in the calls to nationalise Airbus.
https://twitter.com/johnredwood/status/1010108010193211393?s=210 -
No you didn't, no major party did in 1979, it was two general elections later.williamglenn said:
Actually within one general election people had the chance to vote for a major party promising to reverse the referendum result.Elliot said:
Sure. In 40 years like we did after the last referendum when the pro-EU side won.williamglenn said:
Let’s have a vote to see how many are there in spirit.Sandpit said:
Doesn’t look like 17.6m people there, maybe about 17.55m short?williamglenn said:The will of the people.
If you consider the Lib Dems to be a major party then you probably will next General Election too, if they form our next government after the election on a pledge for a rejoin referendum once we've left then fair enough.0 -
One could of course say the same about the Labour Party.Jonathan said:0 -
Tortured phrasing on my part but I mean that between Foot presenting his manifesto and the referendum there had only been one GE, so on that predecent a major party could campaign to reverse Brexit now.Richard_Tyndall said:
No they didn't. Within one GE would be 1979 and none of the three major parties were promising to reverse the referendum result.williamglenn said:
Actually within one general election people had the chance to vote for a major party promising to reverse the referendum result.Elliot said:
Sure. In 40 years like we did after the last referendum when the pro-EU side won.williamglenn said:
Let’s have a vote to see how many are there in spirit.Sandpit said:
Doesn’t look like 17.6m people there, maybe about 17.55m short?williamglenn said:The will of the people.
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Establishment Republicans are now saying the same about the GOP under President Trump, Trump still won though and did better with the white working class and lower middle class vote than he did with the rich eliteJonathan said:0 -
Wealthy Remain voting businesspeople will never vote for Corbyn Labour, at the most they may vote LD or stay at home on polling day but of course a majority of voters voted Leave so provide a bigger poolStark_Dawning said:
The Leave voters in the rust belt will only ever be fair-weather friends to the Tories (if that). Insult, patronize and dismiss your core supporters - as Boris and his kind seem determined to do - and you face political death.HYUFD said:
In Remain voting areas maybe, in Leave voting areas not so muchStark_Dawning said:
Most Tories must be praying that the old Marxist Jezza doesn't fall under a bus. What an even vaguely pro-business Labour leader could do to them now is truly frightening.williamglenn said:I see John Redwood is implicitly joining in the calls to nationalise Airbus.
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Well its a like-for-like comparison since attendance of rallies is measured as a number normally not a percentage. If you want to refer to the attendance of the rally as eg 0.1% then that would be comparable.logical_song said:
I see you prefer 17.4 million to 52%, although it's the same thing.Philip_Thompson said:
The will of the people is that expressed by the 17.4 million who voted to Leave not that tiny sum of refuseniks who can't muster a protest anywhere near the scale of the Iraq War or Countryside Alliance protests.williamglenn said:The will of the people.
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I fear you may be right. The spectre of Jezza is creating a strange distorting effect. But he won't be around for ever. Once he clears off...Jonathan said:0 -
Do you know.... I agree with both of you!Sandpit said:
One could of course say the same about the Labour Party.Jonathan said:
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Ah got you. Yep. Of course any party could now campaign to rejoin after we had left. They would get stuffed but they could try it.williamglenn said:
Tortured phrasing on my part but I mean that between Foot presenting his manifesto and the referendum there had only been one GE, so on that predecent a major party could campaign to reverse Brexit now.Richard_Tyndall said:
No they didn't. Within one GE would be 1979 and none of the three major parties were promising to reverse the referendum result.williamglenn said:
Actually within one general election people had the chance to vote for a major party promising to reverse the referendum result.Elliot said:
Sure. In 40 years like we did after the last referendum when the pro-EU side won.williamglenn said:
Let’s have a vote to see how many are there in spirit.Sandpit said:
Doesn’t look like 17.6m people there, maybe about 17.55m short?williamglenn said:The will of the people.
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Sean_F said:
If Labour's members wanted a leader who would oppose Brexit, they should have voted for anyone but Corbyn.PClipp said:
Totally unsurprising, Mr HYUFD. Corbyn has betrayed the country every bit as much as Mrs May, in their wild stampede to wreck the economy. Nothing to choose between them in their heartless personal ambition.HYUFD said:After booing Downing Street some of the marchers also chanted 'Where's Jeremy Corbyn?'
Hundreds of people have also arrived at the Leave counter demonstration for 'UK Unity and Freedom'
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-44586638
But Corbyn became Labour leader only because all the Tories - cunningly foreseeing how he would roll over and back May`s mad Brexit - signed up with Labour and voted for him.Sean_F said:
If Labour's members wanted a leader who would oppose Brexit, they should have voted for anyone but Corbyn.PClipp said:
Totally unsurprising, Mr HYUFD. Corbyn has betrayed the country every bit as much as Mrs May, in their wild stampede to wreck the economy. Nothing to choose between them in their heartless personal ambition.HYUFD said:After booing Downing Street some of the marchers also chanted 'Where's Jeremy Corbyn?'
Hundreds of people have also arrived at the Leave counter demonstration for 'UK Unity and Freedom'
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What do you think he is implicitly saying about hard line Remainers in this piece?williamglenn said:I see John Redwood is implicitly joining in the calls to nationalise Airbus.
https://twitter.com/johnredwood/status/1010108010193211393?s=21
"Some have sought to turn the Parliamentary decision on the final deal into a vote between the deal and not leaving the EU, rather than a vote on whether to leave with or without the deal on offer. This was the underlying agenda to the arguments about a “meaningful vote”. It was finally wisely agreed not to put instructions to Parliament on how we should proceed after the deal has or has not been concluded into law. It is difficult to understand why some want Parliament to be able to veto Brexit at the end of the process. After all the referendum decision was made by the people, and the Parliament voted overwhelmingly to leave when it voted for the Article 50 letter to be sent. The UK would be in an exceptionally weak or absurd position if Parliament vetoed the deal on offer and vetoed leaving without a deal. Why would the EU want to improve its offer in those circumstances? And how and why would the EU take the UK back into membership on current terms? The anti Brexit forces claim to be new champions of Parliamentary sovereignty after all those years when they were busy giving it away to Brussels. They have to accept that Parliament has decided to leave and made that clear when it sent the letter. They also need to remember that 3 times now the Commons has voted by large majorities against staying in the single market and customs union. A mature sovereign body has to recognise when it has made a decision."
http://johnredwoodsdiary.com/2018/06/22/where-are-we-on-the-road-to-brexit/
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Was Boris 'tired and emotional' I wonder. I've noticed for a while that he does have that puffiness about the face of someone who's hitting it* hard.
* 'it' of course refers only to his ministerial brief.0 -
Good point.Jonathan said:0 -
BBC Parliament should be compulsory viewing for Remainers demanding another referendum.0
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In our topsy turvy world we may well have Business backing Jezza and John at the next election!Stark_Dawning said:
Most Tories must be praying that the old Marxist Jezza doesn't fall under a bus. What an even vaguely pro-business Labour leader could do to them now is truly frightening.williamglenn said:I see John Redwood is implicitly joining in the calls to nationalise Airbus.
https://twitter.com/johnredwood/status/1010108010193211393?s=210 -
Indeed if Vince Cable wins the next election then he can hold a rejoin referendum.williamglenn said:
Tortured phrasing on my part but I mean that between Foot presenting his manifesto and the referendum there had only been one GE, so on that predecent a major party could campaign to reverse Brexit now.Richard_Tyndall said:
No they didn't. Within one GE would be 1979 and none of the three major parties were promising to reverse the referendum result.williamglenn said:
Actually within one general election people had the chance to vote for a major party promising to reverse the referendum result.Elliot said:
Sure. In 40 years like we did after the last referendum when the pro-EU side won.williamglenn said:
Let’s have a vote to see how many are there in spirit.Sandpit said:
Doesn’t look like 17.6m people there, maybe about 17.55m short?williamglenn said:The will of the people.
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Vince and Jo maybe, even Brexit will not see business back Marxists like Corbyn and McDonnellFoxy said:
In our topsy turvy world we may well have Business backing Jezza and John at the next election!Stark_Dawning said:
Most Tories must be praying that the old Marxist Jezza doesn't fall under a bus. What an even vaguely pro-business Labour leader could do to them now is truly frightening.williamglenn said:I see John Redwood is implicitly joining in the calls to nationalise Airbus.
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Just put it on and East Hampshire voting Remain by 50.5% to 49.5% was on the screen. The fact that one of the most prosperous areas in the country only just voted Remain was a notable result IMO.houndtang said:BBC Parliament should be compulsory viewing for Remainers demanding another referendum.
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Have you still got a copy of your famous magic spreadsheet online anywhere?AndyJS said:
Just put it on and East Hampshire voting Remain by 50.5% to 49.5% was on the screen. The fact that one of the most prosperous areas in the country only just voted Remain was a notable result IMO.houndtang said:BBC Parliament should be compulsory viewing for Remainers demanding another referendum.
If ever we meet you’ll not need to buy any drinks...
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Foot wasn’t promising a referendum.Philip_Thompson said:
Indeed if Vince Cable wins the next election then he can hold a rejoin referendum.williamglenn said:
Tortured phrasing on my part but I mean that between Foot presenting his manifesto and the referendum there had only been one GE, so on that predecent a major party could campaign to reverse Brexit now.Richard_Tyndall said:
No they didn't. Within one GE would be 1979 and none of the three major parties were promising to reverse the referendum result.williamglenn said:
Actually within one general election people had the chance to vote for a major party promising to reverse the referendum result.Elliot said:
Sure. In 40 years like we did after the last referendum when the pro-EU side won.williamglenn said:
Let’s have a vote to see how many are there in spirit.Sandpit said:
Doesn’t look like 17.6m people there, maybe about 17.55m short?williamglenn said:The will of the people.
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He was simply stating the government's key policy, as ordered by this mythical 'will of the people'.Stark_Dawning said:Was Boris 'tired and emotional' I wonder. I've noticed for a while that he does have that puffiness about the face of someone who's hitting it* hard.
* 'it' of course refers only to his ministerial brief.0 -
Only 10 minutes until the BBC calls the result for leave - after Sky and ITV of course.houndtang said:BBC Parliament should be compulsory viewing for Remainers demanding another referendum.
We should have a people's vote more often (such a night of high drama) - providing of course we implement the first people's vote before we do another one.
As for the anti Brexit March today (sequel 10 is it now and we are still leaving!) what's a few thousand people walking in London. After all the same people keep telling us 1.4 million people is hardly anything.0 -
He also lost. If you think someone campaigning to rejoin without a referendum will win the next general election then I think you have another thing coming.williamglenn said:
Foot wasn’t promising a referendum.Philip_Thompson said:
Indeed if Vince Cable wins the next election then he can hold a rejoin referendum.williamglenn said:
Tortured phrasing on my part but I mean that between Foot presenting his manifesto and the referendum there had only been one GE, so on that predecent a major party could campaign to reverse Brexit now.Richard_Tyndall said:
No they didn't. Within one GE would be 1979 and none of the three major parties were promising to reverse the referendum result.williamglenn said:
Actually within one general election people had the chance to vote for a major party promising to reverse the referendum result.Elliot said:
Sure. In 40 years like we did after the last referendum when the pro-EU side won.williamglenn said:
Let’s have a vote to see how many are there in spirit.Sandpit said:
Doesn’t look like 17.6m people there, maybe about 17.55m short?williamglenn said:The will of the people.
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100,000 turnout is not bad.
Much better than Brexiters could manage, given most of them are morbidly obese.0 -
IMHO the most important thing the EU referendum has done for us is to reveal in stark, unmistakable terms how divided this country already was and has been for years.AndyJS said:
Just put it on and East Hampshire voting Remain by 50.5% to 49.5% was on the screen. The fact that one of the most prosperous areas in the country only just voted Remain was a notable result IMO.houndtang said:BBC Parliament should be compulsory viewing for Remainers demanding another referendum.
As long as pro-EU people were winning, they were able to ignore the unhappy ones. Hopefully, once we have actually left the EU, we will be able to look for ways forward together.
Naturally the pro-EU people will try to persuade us to rejoin. That's fine - if they succeed in winning hearts & minds over to the EU so that we can eventually rejoin wholeheartedly, who would quibble?
Similarly with Ireland. IMHO, the best way forward for those two communities would be to find a way of living together in mutual tolerance & respect. If a large majority of NI and RoI wanted to come together, that would be a cause of rejoicing, surely, not a reason for mourning the break-up of the UK.
Good evening, everybody.0 -
We managed a turnout of 17,410,742 two years ago - even a few fat ones.Gardenwalker said:100,000 turnout is not bad.
Much better than Brexiters could manage, given most of them are morbidly obese.0 -
LOL. The voice of bitter defeat. I am enjoying your pain.Gardenwalker said:100,000 turnout is not bad.
Much better than Brexiters could manage, given most of them are morbidly obese.0 -
Oh, that's a new one to me. Previously we've been told that most of us are zimmer-frame drivers.Gardenwalker said:100,000 turnout is not bad.
Much better than Brexiters could manage, given most of them are morbidly obese.
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It's not the 100,000 remainers need, it's the 64,900,000 sitting at homeSandpit said:
We managed a turnout of 17,410,742 two years ago - even a few fat ones.Gardenwalker said:100,000 turnout is not bad.
Much better than Brexiters could manage, given most of them are morbidly obese.0 -
Of course you are.Richard_Tyndall said:
LOL. The voice of bitter defeat. I am enjoying your pain.Gardenwalker said:100,000 turnout is not bad.
Much better than Brexiters could manage, given most of them are morbidly obese.
You’re a depraved non-entity. Sadism is all you have.0 -
I've got the World Cup on but the moment that Dimbleby called it for Leave I thought he was very well spoken. It had been obvious on here for ages thanks mainly to AndyJS's incredble spreadsheet but when the BBC finally called it I thought he did it really well.brendan16 said:
Only 10 minutes until the BBC calls the result for leave - after Sky and ITV of course.houndtang said:BBC Parliament should be compulsory viewing for Remainers demanding another referendum.
We should have a people's vote more often (such a night of high drama) - providing of course we implement the first people's vote before we do another one.
As for the anti Brexit March today (sequel 10 is it now and we are still leaving!) what's a few thousand people walking in London. After all the same people keep telling us 1.4 million people is hardly anything.0 -
Agreed , however in the main they back a Marxist concept the NHS.HYUFD said:
Vince and Jo maybe, even Brexit will not see business back Marxists like Corbyn and McDonnellFoxy said:
In our topsy turvy world we may well have Business backing Jezza and John at the next election!Stark_Dawning said:
Most Tories must be praying that the old Marxist Jezza doesn't fall under a bus. What an even vaguely pro-business Labour leader could do to them now is truly frightening.williamglenn said:I see John Redwood is implicitly joining in the calls to nationalise Airbus.
https://twitter.com/johnredwood/status/1010108010193211393?s=21
May has also decided to use , the magic money tree to fund it.
Which could open an opportunity for Labour.
https://www.independent.co.uk/voices/nhs-theresa-may-labour-corbyn-brexit-uk-economy-tory-conservatives-a8411926.html0 -
That wasn't a rally.Gardenwalker said:100,000 turnout is not bad.
Much better than Brexiters could manage, given most of them are morbidly obese.
*This* is a rally:
https://www.rferl.org/a/turkey-presidential-campaign-ince-izmir/29313583.html
(The other day, a rally against Erdogan before the upcoming election. Organisers say 2.5 million people; that seems unlikely, but it's a lot. The next few weeks in Turkey are going to be very interesting - and very worrying)0 -
Labour would have to come up with something pretty bad for it to be worse for business than Brexit.HYUFD said:
Vince and Jo maybe, even Brexit will not see business back Marxists like Corbyn and McDonnellFoxy said:
In our topsy turvy world we may well have Business backing Jezza and John at the next election!Stark_Dawning said:
Most Tories must be praying that the old Marxist Jezza doesn't fall under a bus. What an even vaguely pro-business Labour leader could do to them now is truly frightening.williamglenn said:I see John Redwood is implicitly joining in the calls to nationalise Airbus.
https://twitter.com/johnredwood/status/1010108010193211393?s=210 -
It’s a bit like tablet though. Once you’ve eaten through a few bars it’s just too much and you want to have something, anything, different.Richard_Tyndall said:
LOL. The voice of bitter defeat. I am enjoying your pain.Gardenwalker said:100,000 turnout is not bad.
Much better than Brexiters could manage, given most of them are morbidly obese.0 -
Mr Walker,
"100,000 turnout is not bad."
17.4 million turnout is better.
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And lo - Corbyn and McDonnell!Recidivist said:
Labour would have to come up with something pretty bad for it to be worse for business than Brexit.HYUFD said:
Vince and Jo maybe, even Brexit will not see business back Marxists like Corbyn and McDonnellFoxy said:
In our topsy turvy world we may well have Business backing Jezza and John at the next election!Stark_Dawning said:
Most Tories must be praying that the old Marxist Jezza doesn't fall under a bus. What an even vaguely pro-business Labour leader could do to them now is truly frightening.williamglenn said:I see John Redwood is implicitly joining in the calls to nationalise Airbus.
https://twitter.com/johnredwood/status/1010108010193211393?s=210 -
hyper-inflation?Recidivist said:
Labour would have to come up with something pretty bad for it to be worse for business than Brexit.HYUFD said:
Vince and Jo maybe, even Brexit will not see business back Marxists like Corbyn and McDonnellFoxy said:
In our topsy turvy world we may well have Business backing Jezza and John at the next election!Stark_Dawning said:
Most Tories must be praying that the old Marxist Jezza doesn't fall under a bus. What an even vaguely pro-business Labour leader could do to them now is truly frightening.williamglenn said:I see John Redwood is implicitly joining in the calls to nationalise Airbus.
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It's all the gammon.....AnneJGP said:
Oh, that's a new one to me. Previously we've been told that most of us are zimmer-frame drivers.Gardenwalker said:100,000 turnout is not bad.
Much better than Brexiters could manage, given most of them are morbidly obese.0 -
Well I've been out delivering Lib Dem leaflets (not about Brexit) here in Lincoln this afternoon with a few of my fellow party members. London isn't even really on my radar today and it's a hell of a long way to go to make a point.TheWhiteRabbit said:
It's not the 100,000 remainers need, it's the 64,900,000 sitting at home
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That hasn’t happened for over a century, since Partition, which was precisely because the immigrant community, or to be more accurate, it’s descendants refused to consider living in a society they considered anethema.AnneJGP said:
Similarly with Ireland. IMHO, the best way forward for those two communities would be to find a way of living together in mutual tolerance & respect. If a large majority of NI and RoI wanted to come together, that would be a cause of rejoicing, surely, not a reason for mourning the break-up of the UK.AndyJS said:houndtang said:BBC Parliament should be compulsory viewing for Remainers demanding another referendum.
Good evening, everybody.
I suppose that just possible, now that RoI isn’t quite the theocracy it was under De Valera, that the next generation of Protestants might be prepared to consider some form of federation.
And yes I know De Valera’s long dead, but Irish memories, on both sides, tend to be long.0 -
Well that and the result he wanted in the biggest vote we have ever had.Gardenwalker said:
Of course you are.Richard_Tyndall said:
LOL. The voice of bitter defeat. I am enjoying your pain.Gardenwalker said:100,000 turnout is not bad.
Much better than Brexiters could manage, given most of them are morbidly obese.
You’re a depraved non-entity. Sadism is all you have.0 -
He’s seeking asylum?rottenborough said:0 -
That'll win hearts and minds alright.Gardenwalker said:100,000 turnout is not bad.
Much better than Brexiters could manage, given most of them are morbidly obese.
Massively enjoying the BBC Parliament repeat of the referendum coverage. Being at the count meant I only saw bits of it last time round. Keith Vaz looking like he was going to blub a particular highlight.0 -
At least Brexit might offer the chance for reduced regulations for business, Corbynism just means higher taxes and more strikesRecidivist said:
Labour would have to come up with something pretty bad for it to be worse for business than Brexit.HYUFD said:
Vince and Jo maybe, even Brexit will not see business back Marxists like Corbyn and McDonnellFoxy said:
In our topsy turvy world we may well have Business backing Jezza and John at the next election!Stark_Dawning said:
Most Tories must be praying that the old Marxist Jezza doesn't fall under a bus. What an even vaguely pro-business Labour leader could do to them now is truly frightening.williamglenn said:I see John Redwood is implicitly joining in the calls to nationalise Airbus.
https://twitter.com/johnredwood/status/1010108010193211393?s=210 -
We don't NEED to march is the point. We have already won. We can sit in sun loungers with cold drinks, with the World Cup on.Gardenwalker said:100,000 turnout is not bad.
Much better than Brexiters could manage, given most of them are morbidly obese.
Sadly for you, there is no Brexit VAR.
Not that the decision would be over-turned.
Hahahahahahahaha.......0 -
I did put on 2 stone in the years after the referendum - there's definitely a connection.Gardenwalker said:100,000 turnout is not bad.
Much better than Brexiters could manage, given most of them are morbidly obese.0 -
Lies and stupidity are often very popular, as we see from history and indeed from light entertainment formats.DavidL said:
Well that and the result he wanted in the biggest vote we have ever had.Gardenwalker said:
Of course you are.Richard_Tyndall said:
LOL. The voice of bitter defeat. I am enjoying your pain.Gardenwalker said:100,000 turnout is not bad.
Much better than Brexiters could manage, given most of them are morbidly obese.
You’re a depraved non-entity. Sadism is all you have.0 -
I'm old enough to remember the Barber Boom. Hyperinflation is a Tory trick.rottenborough said:
hyper-inflation?Recidivist said:
Labour would have to come up with something pretty bad for it to be worse for business than Brexit.HYUFD said:
Vince and Jo maybe, even Brexit will not see business back Marxists like Corbyn and McDonnellFoxy said:
In our topsy turvy world we may well have Business backing Jezza and John at the next election!Stark_Dawning said:
Most Tories must be praying that the old Marxist Jezza doesn't fall under a bus. What an even vaguely pro-business Labour leader could do to them now is truly frightening.williamglenn said:I see John Redwood is implicitly joining in the calls to nationalise Airbus.
https://twitter.com/johnredwood/status/1010108010193211393?s=210 -
Talking of morbidly obese...Essexit said:
That'll win hearts and minds alright.Gardenwalker said:100,000 turnout is not bad.
Much better than Brexiters could manage, given most of them are morbidly obese.
Massively enjoying the BBC Parliament repeat of the referendum coverage. Being at the count meant I only saw bits of it last time round. Keith Vaz looking like he was going to blub a particular highlight.0 -
Not great either, well below the 400 000 for the Countryside March for hunting in 2002 let alone the anti Iraq War march in 2003 which had around a million marchers and even those marches failed in their aims and failed to stop Blair's re election in 2005.Gardenwalker said:100,000 turnout is not bad.
Much better than Brexiters could manage, given most of them are morbidly obese.
Brexiteers managed 17 million in 2016, that is the real total Remain has to beat0 -
Ah there we have it. Shaft the workers!HYUFD said:
At least Brexit might offer the chance for reduced regulations for business, Corbynism just means higher taxes and more strikesRecidivist said:
Labour would have to come up with something pretty bad for it to be worse for business than Brexit.HYUFD said:
Vince and Jo maybe, even Brexit will not see business back Marxists like Corbyn and McDonnellFoxy said:
In our topsy turvy world we may well have Business backing Jezza and John at the next election!Stark_Dawning said:
Most Tories must be praying that the old Marxist Jezza doesn't fall under a bus. What an even vaguely pro-business Labour leader could do to them now is truly frightening.williamglenn said:I see John Redwood is implicitly joining in the calls to nationalise Airbus.
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While committing to end free movementrottenborough said:0 -
Too much. It’s just getting sad now.Gardenwalker said:
Lies and stupidity are often very popular, as we see from history and indeed from light entertainment formats.DavidL said:
Well that and the result he wanted in the biggest vote we have ever had.Gardenwalker said:
Of course you are.Richard_Tyndall said:
LOL. The voice of bitter defeat. I am enjoying your pain.Gardenwalker said:100,000 turnout is not bad.
Much better than Brexiters could manage, given most of them are morbidly obese.
You’re a depraved non-entity. Sadism is all you have.0 -
Since Corbyn has claimed in the pat that he talks to both sides, I'm sure he's going to talk to the Israeli government and ordinary Israelis next.rottenborough said:
No?0 -
That is probably the most compelling argument for a second referendum to date. Certainly better than anything heard in London today. Pound those pavements! I lost over a stone during Indyref.kle4 said:
I did put on 2 stone in the years after the referendum - there's definitely a connection.Gardenwalker said:100,000 turnout is not bad.
Much better than Brexiters could manage, given most of them are morbidly obese.0 -
wow. just wow. this is the cult in action:
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The way that British politics is going, business is indeed f**ked. With the anti-business extreme Brexiteers on the one side (who prudently are investing elsewhere to avoid the consequences of their advocated actions) and the anti-capitalist Corbynites on the other side, long term economic underperformance looks almost inevitable.0
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Regulations are necessary for business to run. In my experience EU regulations are no worse than, and generally rather clearer than regulations outside the EU. Higher taxes and more strikes are undesirable, but Brexit is worse. And my guess is that the cost of bringing a load of regulatory work back to the UK from the EU will exceed the cost of EU membership, so taxes will be going up anyway.HYUFD said:
At least Brexit might offer the chance for reduced regulations for business, Corbynism just means higher taxes and more strikesRecidivist said:
Labour would have to come up with something pretty bad for it to be worse for business than Brexit.HYUFD said:
Vince and Jo maybe, even Brexit will not see business back Marxists like Corbyn and McDonnellFoxy said:
In our topsy turvy world we may well have Business backing Jezza and John at the next election!Stark_Dawning said:
Most Tories must be praying that the old Marxist Jezza doesn't fall under a bus. What an even vaguely pro-business Labour leader could do to them now is truly frightening.williamglenn said:I see John Redwood is implicitly joining in the calls to nationalise Airbus.
https://twitter.com/johnredwood/status/1010108010193211393?s=210 -
That definitely looks like at least a million, the width of the crowd shows it upJosiasJessop said:
That wasn't a rally.Gardenwalker said:100,000 turnout is not bad.
Much better than Brexiters could manage, given most of them are morbidly obese.
*This* is a rally:
https://www.rferl.org/a/turkey-presidential-campaign-ince-izmir/29313583.html
(The other day, a rally against Erdogan before the upcoming election. Organisers say 2.5 million people; that seems unlikely, but it's a lot. The next few weeks in Turkey are going to be very interesting - and very worrying)0 -
My business is consolidating operations in Amsterdam. There will be no PR release, it is just happening.AlastairMeeks said:The way that British politics is going, business is indeed f**ked. With the anti-business extreme Brexiteers on the one side (who prudently are investing elsewhere to avoid the consequences of their advocated actions) and the anti-capitalist Corbynites on the other side, long term economic underperformance looks almost inevitable.
This is also happening with several clients.
Not with a bang, but with a whimper. The tide of mediocrity comes in slowly.
Thanks DavidL, and all the gang.0 -
How many PB'ers have been at today's protest?
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Perhaps we should ban democracy and X Factor phone votes?Gardenwalker said:
Lies and stupidity are often very popular, as we see from history and indeed from light entertainment formats.DavidL said:
Well that and the result he wanted in the biggest vote we have ever had.Gardenwalker said:
Of course you are.Richard_Tyndall said:
LOL. The voice of bitter defeat. I am enjoying your pain.Gardenwalker said:100,000 turnout is not bad.
Much better than Brexiters could manage, given most of them are morbidly obese.
You’re a depraved non-entity. Sadism is all you have.0 -
Now Caroline Lucas in full patronising supply teacher mode and looking ready to cry. Beautiful stuff.0
