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On this week’s PB / Polling Matters podcast, Keiran Pedley and Leo Barasi look at public opinion on the NHS as it hits 70 years old in light of the government’s promise to pump in extra cash. Keiran takes us through what the public think of the policy and whether they would accept tax rises to pay for it alongside data on how perceptions of the quality of care provided by the NHS have changed over time.
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LordofReason would like to post it’s a scandal we are boosting Putin gangsta regime attending his World Cup, and should never have gone. But LordofReason is too busy watching football match after football match after football match to spend time in this forum.
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The first trouble was done by some English fans giving the Nazi salute !0
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Totally O/t but I see the MP for Dover, Charlie Elphicke is still listed in the Guardian as ‘Ind’. Haven’t the Tories sorted him out yet. If not, anyone know what he’s supposed to have done?0
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Seems to be allegations that he sexually harassed 2 staff/supporters of the party. The investigation seems to be taking a while.OldKingCole said:Totally O/t but I see the MP for Dover, Charlie Elphicke is still listed in the Guardian as ‘Ind’. Haven’t the Tories sorted him out yet. If not, anyone know what he’s supposed to have done?
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Ah, thanks. Does seem to be dragging on.DavidL said:
Seems to be allegations that he sexually harassed 2 staff/supporters of the party. The investigation seems to be taking a while.OldKingCole said:Totally O/t but I see the MP for Dover, Charlie Elphicke is still listed in the Guardian as ‘Ind’. Haven’t the Tories sorted him out yet. If not, anyone know what he’s supposed to have done?
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Big Bang, with its acquisitions and influx of highly paid financiers, transformed investment (previously merchant) banking from being just another profession into a lottery win.rcs1000 said:I've been working on my latest video, and have been doing some research into UK housing. It's astonishing the divergence between London and the rest of the country. Between 3Q07 and 1Q18, house prices have fallen in the North of England, Scotland and Northern Ireland, while they are up less than 1% in the North West, Yorks & Humberside, and Wales.
The astonishing number is London, where they have jumped 59%, from an already high level.
Here's another funny fact. At the beginning of 1980, the average home in the North of England sold for £18,000 against £31,000 in London. In other words, London was just 67% more expensive. Not any more.
Prior to that doctors, lawyers, bankers were all much of a muchness. Not after. And then there were the hedge funds.
The effect on London house prices continues to this day (look at @Max’s buying power) albeit they are behind oligarchs and hedgies, but hence push out the area across London.
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Ummm, Big Bang was more than TWENTY YEARS before 2007.TOPPING said:fpt
Big Bang, with its acquisitions and influx of highly paid financiers, transformed investment (previously merchant) banking from being just another profession into a lottery win.rcs1000 said:I've been working on my latest video, and have been doing some research into UK housing. It's astonishing the divergence between London and the rest of the country. Between 3Q07 and 1Q18, house prices have fallen in the North of England, Scotland and Northern Ireland, while they are up less than 1% in the North West, Yorks & Humberside, and Wales.
The astonishing number is London, where they have jumped 59%, from an already high level.
Here's another funny fact. At the beginning of 1980, the average home in the North of England sold for £18,000 against £31,000 in London. In other words, London was just 67% more expensive. Not any more.
Prior to that doctors, lawyers, bankers were all much of a muchness. Not after. And then there were the hedge funds.
The effect on London house prices continues to this day (look at @Max’s buying power) albeit they are behind oligarchs and hedgies, but hence push out the area across London.
Right, I'm off to bed now.0 -
Good morning, everyone.
Lord of Reason ('s better half, I presume?), I agree. We, and other nations, should've boycotted it.
Podcast sounds interesting but I'll need to wake up a bit before I start listening.0 -
So is May stronger now having got her European Union (Withdrawal) Bill through Parliament? I think she is. It was a bruising passage but ultimately she has faced down those who really wanted to stop Brexit altogether and won. There are other important bills to come on trade etc but these are less to do with the principle than the detail. I think she is much less likely to face a challenge pre-Brexit than she was.
On the latter topic I was speaking at a Conference on Tuesday and 2 of the other speakers mentioned that possible reform of the areas we were discussing (debt recovery, very dull) would almost certainly have to wait because there was going to be so much Brexit legislation to deal with. I was surprised, firstly because we were talking about the Scottish Parliament which is not exactly overworked with legislation anyway and secondly because I thought this was largely being done by Henry VIII powers granted to Ministers under the withdrawal bill. Their source for this information seemed to be civil servants and, in one case, Parliamentary draughtsmen.
There are of course quite a range of areas where the current regulators/regulatory regime is largely based on EU law and ultimately involves determination by EU institutions. If we are to have specific replacements in these areas all of the legislative assemblies really need to get on with it. I have seen very little evidence of such preparation to date but it does appear that there is at least some work going on behind the scenes.0 -
Thought you'd gone to bed.rcs1000 said:
Yes.DavidL said:So is May stronger now having got her European Union (Withdrawal) Bill through Parliament?
And the rest of your post (unquoted) is correct too. It's another area where we are woefully unprepared.
I presume that there has been a delay whilst the Withdrawal Bill was going through so that they knew how much Ministers could do etc but there really ought to be a major slew of legislation in Westminster brought forward now.
Ideally, we would have had our deal with the EU sorted out beforehand so that could be reflected in the legislation but I think we now need to get on with it. It will be amusing watching an SNP administration promoting such legislation.0 -
It’s almost as though the bureaucracy in Brussels, about which we’ve inveigled for so long, actually did something necessary....rcs1000 said:
Yes.DavidL said:So is May stronger now having got her European Union (Withdrawal) Bill through Parliament?
And the rest of your post (unquoted) is correct too. It's another area where we are woefully unprepared.
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Well, this doesn't sound very good:
https://twitter.com/VeteransBritain/status/10093301725988126720 -
Typo in header, is the decimalisation of cannabis something to blame Brussels for, when we true Brits smoke it by the groat?0
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That’s rather at odds with the Gallileo furore.Morris_Dancer said:Well, this doesn't sound very good:
https://twitter.com/VeteransBritain/status/1009330172598812672
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Congratulations ot New Zealand’s PMI; second elected world leader to give birth while in office. And it’s a girl.
Just flashed up on BBC!0 -
This summer’s pitches look rather batter friendly:
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/cricket/44552398
What are the odds on a first score over 500 in the 50 over game this summer ?0 -
This is from a year ago:Morris_Dancer said:Well, this doesn't sound very good:
https://twitter.com/VeteransBritain/status/1009330172598812672
http://europa.eu/rapid/press-release_IP-17-1508_en.htm
The EDF was designed to give funding for research and to facilitate co-operation between EU members with a view to reducing duplicated costs. As a member we might have expected a fair chunk of that spending to come to the UK given the size and skills of our defence industry. I would suggest that it is optimistic in the extreme to expect that now, even if we continued to be members.
OTOH, there are clearly important economies of scale in defence projects as well as the desirability of NATO partners having compatible kit. Our defence industry will want to remain a part of the team for development of the next fighter etc. Presumably they think this is the ticket to do this. It's the sort of area where we might want to cherry pick, to use a phrase. I am reasonably relaxed about it if that is what the main players in the field want. From what I can see the Major-General's comments are somewhat overstated.0 -
I'm with the general Brexit means Brexit. Let's leave and get on with the process.0
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Who was the first?OldKingCole said:Congratulations ot New Zealand’s PMI; second elected world leader to give birth while in office. And it’s a girl.
Just flashed up on BBC!0 -
The cost of building our own fighters/tanks/helicopters is prohibitive. There simply would not be long enough production lines. We either find other countries to work with or we buy American and say goodbye to a lot of skilled jobs.MaxPB said:I'm with the general Brexit means Brexit. Let's leave and get on with the process.
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There isn't really a NATO equivalent of the Defence Fund since the US realised they were paying for everything via the MDWP (that's how we got the Harrier) and turned off the tap.0
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Went hunting andf found this: Benazir Bhutto, who was the first and (until now) only leader to have a baby while in office, in 1990. From CNN’s site.ydoethur said:
Who was the first?OldKingCole said:Congratulations ot New Zealand’s PMI; second elected world leader to give birth while in office. And it’s a girl.
Just flashed up on BBC!0 -
Well, I would have guessed many times and not guessed that. Thank you for the information.OldKingCole said:
Went hunting andf found this: Benazir Bhutto, who was the first and (until now) only leader to have a baby while in office, in 1990. From CNN’s site.ydoethur said:
Who was the first?OldKingCole said:Congratulations ot New Zealand’s PMI; second elected world leader to give birth while in office. And it’s a girl.
Just flashed up on BBC!
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I’m much more worried about the reported remarks of May to Williamson in the FT today.DavidL said:
The cost of building our own fighters/tanks/helicopters is prohibitive. There simply would not be long enough production lines. We either find other countries to work with or we buy American and say goodbye to a lot of skilled jobs.MaxPB said:I'm with the general Brexit means Brexit. Let's leave and get on with the process.
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Quite. As I said, it’s absurd to be complaining about being chucked out of Gallileo, and at the same time seek to exit a similar collaborative arrangement as a matter of principle.DavidL said:
This is from a year ago:Morris_Dancer said:Well, this doesn't sound very good:
https://twitter.com/VeteransBritain/status/1009330172598812672
http://europa.eu/rapid/press-release_IP-17-1508_en.htm
The EDF was designed to give funding for research and to facilitate co-operation between EU members with a view to reducing duplicated costs. As a member we might have expected a fair chunk of that spending to come to the UK given the size and skills of our defence industry. I would suggest that it is optimistic in the extreme to expect that now, even if we continued to be members.
OTOH, there are clearly important economies of scale in defence projects as well as the desirability of NATO partners having compatible kit. Our defence industry will want to remain a part of the team for development of the next fighter etc. Presumably they think this is the ticket to do this. It's the sort of area where we might want to cherry pick, to use a phrase. I am reasonably relaxed about it if that is what the main players in the field want. From what I can see the Major-General's comments are somewhat overstated.
The devil, of course, will be in the details - something we have shown no great desire to elucidate throughout the Brexit process.
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Thank you! Off to the gym shortly! Whether that’s classed as good or not........ydoethur said:
Well, I would have guessed many times and not guessed that. Thank you for the information.OldKingCole said:
Went hunting andf found this: Benazir Bhutto, who was the first and (until now) only leader to have a baby while in office, in 1990. From CNN’s site.ydoethur said:
Who was the first?OldKingCole said:Congratulations ot New Zealand’s PMI; second elected world leader to give birth while in office. And it’s a girl.
Just flashed up on BBC!
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The last 100% British designed and built combat aircraft (Buccaneer S2B XZ432) came off the production line in October 1977. Brexiteers are just trying to live in a world that no longer exists.DavidL said:
The cost of building our own fighters/tanks/helicopters is prohibitive. There simply would not be long enough production lines. We either find other countries to work with or we buy American and say goodbye to a lot of skilled jobs.MaxPB said:I'm with the general Brexit means Brexit. Let's leave and get on with the process.
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Good question for a pub quiz.OldKingCole said:
Went hunting andf found this: Benazir Bhutto, who was the first and (until now) only leader to have a baby while in office, in 1990. From CNN’s site.ydoethur said:
Who was the first?OldKingCole said:Congratulations ot New Zealand’s PMI; second elected world leader to give birth while in office. And it’s a girl.
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yet oddly France keeps two aircraft manufacturers busy Dassault and AerospatialeDura_Ace said:
The last 100% British designed and built combat aircraft (Buccaneer S2B XZ432) came off the production line in October 1977. Brexiteers are just trying to live in a world that no longer exists.DavidL said:
The cost of building our own fighters/tanks/helicopters is prohibitive. There simply would not be long enough production lines. We either find other countries to work with or we buy American and say goodbye to a lot of skilled jobs.MaxPB said:I'm with the general Brexit means Brexit. Let's leave and get on with the process.
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Aérospatiale hasn't existed for about 20 years.Alanbrooke said:
yet oddly France keeps two aircraft manufacturers busy Dassault and AerospatialeDura_Ace said:
The last 100% British designed and built combat aircraft (Buccaneer S2B XZ432) came off the production line in October 1977. Brexiteers are just trying to live in a world that no longer exists.DavidL said:
The cost of building our own fighters/tanks/helicopters is prohibitive. There simply would not be long enough production lines. We either find other countries to work with or we buy American and say goodbye to a lot of skilled jobs.MaxPB said:I'm with the general Brexit means Brexit. Let's leave and get on with the process.
We might have had a British Dassault if British products had enjoyed similar success in export markets but we didn't and, barring the invention of time travel, there is no way to revive a British combat aircraft industry now.
Even Dassault have thrown the towel in on going it alone. Their next project will be done as a JV with the Germans.0 -
Mr. Meeks, May certainly isn't a tier one PM.
Mr. L, hmm. Well, hopefully you're right.0 -
The main reason of course is that there are nearly 2 million more people in London than 20 years ago - and that is the usually resident population so excludes short term migrants. If you increase your population by 25 per cent without building sufficient housing prices will go up.rcs1000 said:
Ummm, Big Bang was more than TWENTY YEARS before 2007.TOPPING said:fpt
Big Bang, with its acquisitions and influx of highly paid financiers, transformed investment (previously merchant) banking from being just another profession into a lottery win.rcs1000 said:I've been working on my latest video, and have been doing some research into UK housing. It's astonishing the divergence between London and the rest of the country. Between 3Q07 and 1Q18, house prices have fallen in the North of England, Scotland and Northern Ireland, while they are up less than 1% in the North West, Yorks & Humberside, and Wales.
The astonishing number is London, where they have jumped 59%, from an already high level.
Here's another funny fact. At the beginning of 1980, the average home in the North of England sold for £18,000 against £31,000 in London. In other words, London was just 67% more expensive. Not any more.
Prior to that doctors, lawyers, bankers were all much of a muchness. Not after. And then there were the hedge funds.
The effect on London house prices continues to this day (look at @Max’s buying power) albeit they are behind oligarchs and hedgies, but hence push out the area across London.
Right, I'm off to bed now.
Quantitative easing, low interest rates, Help to buy which has pushed the price of new builds up for the benefit of developers shareholders and bonus pools and of course a housing benefit system which funds the housing costs of nearly a third of London households also makes a big difference,
Most of those extra 2 million people aren't bankers or hedge fund employees!
Obscenely high and ever rising house prices have been government policy since 1997! Take the props away and control the demand and who knows.0 -
Just as well she’s taking my advice then.Morris_Dancer said:Mr. Meeks, May certainly isn't a tier one PM.
Mr. L, hmm. Well, hopefully you're right.0 -
yes hadn't realised aerospatiale had gone, though is now EADS. Id have thought however the UK industry had been cooperating for much longer in international programmes than France usually with Germany and Italy.Dura_Ace said:
Aérospatiale hasn't existed for about 20 years.Alanbrooke said:
yet oddly France keeps two aircraft manufacturers busy Dassault and AerospatialeDura_Ace said:
The last 100% British designed and built combat aircraft (Buccaneer S2B XZ432) came off the production line in October 1977. Brexiteers are just trying to live in a world that no longer exists.DavidL said:
The cost of building our own fighters/tanks/helicopters is prohibitive. There simply would not be long enough production lines. We either find other countries to work with or we buy American and say goodbye to a lot of skilled jobs.MaxPB said:I'm with the general Brexit means Brexit. Let's leave and get on with the process.
We might have had a British Dassault if British products had enjoyed similar success in export markets but we didn't and, barring the invention of time travel, there is no way to revive a British combat aircraft industry now.
Even Dassault have thrown the towel in on going it alone. Their next project will be done as a JV with the Germans.
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If we end up with the same regulations, the same uncontrolled EU migration and the same legislation through endless transition but no representation it won't be the Brexit envisaged. No MEPs, no say and no other change is hardly an inspiring choice but it seems to be where May is headed if she wants a deal.MaxPB said:I'm with the general Brexit means Brexit. Let's leave and get on with the process.
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Can you do a thread telling her to promote Messrs Mercer, Stewart, and Tugendhat to the cabinet.AlastairMeeks said:
Just as well she’s taking my advice then.Morris_Dancer said:Mr. Meeks, May certainly isn't a tier one PM.
Mr. L, hmm. Well, hopefully you're right.0 -
Technically the only fighting we would ever now be doing on our own is to defend the Falklands or Gibraltar and even that is unlikely, so it is more an assessment of our contribution to NATO and the UN and how effective it is, rather than say the USA which as the top superpower needs to be able to project power on its own across the globe if neededAlastairMeeks said:0 -
Is ‘smooth and orderly’ the new ‘strong and stable’?
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Looks like Gordon Brown has been coaching her on how to record a piece to camera.TheScreamingEagles said:Is ‘smooth and orderly’ the new ‘strong and stable’?
https://twitter.com/10downingstreet/status/1009529579940261888?s=210 -
One thing the messy Speaker compromise over the Brexit vote does perhaps do is cement Bercow in place for the next year.
Worth betting accordingly ?0 -
I'm more worried that there are people in the MoD who think we are still a global military player!Casino_Royale said:
I’m much more worried about the reported remarks of May to Williamson in the FT today.DavidL said:
The cost of building our own fighters/tanks/helicopters is prohibitive. There simply would not be long enough production lines. We either find other countries to work with or we buy American and say goodbye to a lot of skilled jobs.MaxPB said:I'm with the general Brexit means Brexit. Let's leave and get on with the process.
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I thought the other way around.Nigelb said:One thing the messy Speaker compromise over the Brexit vote does perhaps do is cement Bercow in place for the next year.
Worth betting accordingly ?
No way the likes of Andrew Bridgen are going to leave Brexit in the hands of John Bercow.0 -
Did you even read the 2017 manifesto which promised a strong and stable government for a smooth and orderly Brexit? 18 strong and stables and six smooth and orderlies, iirc.TheScreamingEagles said:Is ‘smooth and orderly’ the new ‘strong and stable’?
twitter.com/10downingstreet/status/1009529579940261888?s=21
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How do they get rid of him? He'll cling on like a barnacle.TheScreamingEagles said:
I thought the other way around.Nigelb said:One thing the messy Speaker compromise over the Brexit vote does perhaps do is cement Bercow in place for the next year.
Worth betting accordingly ?
No way the likes of Andrew Bridgen are going to leave Brexit in the hands of John Bercow.0 -
I think we’re a global military power because we have first strike nuclear capabilities.tlg86 said:
I'm more worried that there are people in the MoD who think we are still a global military player!Casino_Royale said:
I’m much more worried about the reported remarks of May to Williamson in the FT today.DavidL said:
The cost of building our own fighters/tanks/helicopters is prohibitive. There simply would not be long enough production lines. We either find other countries to work with or we buy American and say goodbye to a lot of skilled jobs.MaxPB said:I'm with the general Brexit means Brexit. Let's leave and get on with the process.
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Fck me, that escalated quickly.HYUFD said:
Technically the only fighting we would ever now be doing on our own is to defend the Falklands or Gibraltar
Presumably in that scenario the EU (-1) would unequivocally back Spain.
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Mr. Eagles, how, in terms of procedure, can the Speaker be removed, though?
I thought there was a voting opportunity at the start of a new Parliament, and that was about it.0 -
They've no chance of ejecting him though, have they?TheScreamingEagles said:
I thought the other way around.Nigelb said:One thing the messy Speaker compromise over the Brexit vote does perhaps do is cement Bercow in place for the next year.
Worth betting accordingly ?
No way the likes of Andrew Bridgen are going to leave Brexit in the hands of John Bercow.0 -
I’m repressing the 2017 Tory manifesto.DecrepitJohnL said:
Did you even read the 2017 manifesto which promised a strong and stable government for a smooth and orderly Brexit? 18 strong and stables and six smooth and orderlies, iirc.TheScreamingEagles said:Is ‘smooth and orderly’ the new ‘strong and stable’?
twitter.com/10downingstreet/status/1009529579940261888?s=21
It was the main reason Mrs May lost Dave’s majority, against Corbyn FFS.0 -
Housing becoming more affordable since 2007 the further North and West you go from London, and less affordable the closer you get to London, helps explain some political shifts,brendan16 said:
The main reason of course is that there are nearly 2 million more people in London than 20 years ago - and that is the usually resident population so excludes short term migrants. If you increase your population by 25 per cent without building sufficient housing prices will go up.rcs1000 said:
Ummm, Big Bang was more than TWENTY YEARS before 2007.TOPPING said:fpt
Big Bang, with its acquisitions and influx of highly paid financiers, transformed investment (previously merchant) banking from being just another profession into a lottery win.rcs1000 said:I've been working on my latest video, and have been doing some research into UK housing. It's astonishing the divergence between London and the rest of the country. Between 3Q07 and 1Q18, house prices have fallen in the North of England, Scotland and Northern Ireland, while they are up less than 1% in the North West, Yorks & Humberside, and Wales.
The astonishing number is London, where they have jumped 59%, from an already high level.
Here's another funny fact. At the beginning of 1980, the average home in the North of England sold for £18,000 against £31,000 in London. In other words, London was just 67% more expensive. Not any more.
Prior to that doctors, lawyers, bankers were all much of a muchness. Not after. And then there were the hedge funds.
The effect on London house prices continues to this day (look at @Max’s buying power) albeit they are behind oligarchs and hedgies, but hence push out the area across London.
Right, I'm off to bed now.
Quantitative easing, low interest rates, Help to buy which has pushed the price of new builds up for the benefit of developers shareholders and bonus pools and of course a housing benefit system which funds the housing costs of nearly a third of London households also makes a big difference,
Most of those extra 2 million people aren't bankers or hedge fund employees!
Obscenely high and ever rising house prices have been government policy since 1997! Take the props away and control the demand and who knows.0 -
Same way they got rid of Michael Martin.Sean_F said:
How do they get rid of him? He'll cling on like a barnacle.TheScreamingEagles said:
I thought the other way around.Nigelb said:One thing the messy Speaker compromise over the Brexit vote does perhaps do is cement Bercow in place for the next year.
Worth betting accordingly ?
No way the likes of Andrew Bridgen are going to leave Brexit in the hands of John Bercow.
Start making plans for a vote of confidence in Mr Speaker.0 -
Never mind, we'd probably have Putin on our side.Theuniondivvie said:
Fck me, that escalated quickly.HYUFD said:
Technically the only fighting we would ever now be doing on our own is to defend the Falklands or Gibraltar
Presumably in that scenario the EU (-1) would unequivocally back Spain.0 -
If Spain invaded Gibraltar I would not be so sure especially as both the UK and Spain are in NATO and an attack on one is an attack on all of them, so most likely the EU would stay neutral but regardless we would of course have to defend GibraltarTheuniondivvie said:
Fck me, that escalated quickly.HYUFD said:
Technically the only fighting we would ever now be doing on our own is to defend the Falklands or Gibraltar
Presumably in that scenario the EU (-1) would unequivocally back Spain.0 -
If Spain invaded Gibraltar I would not be so sure especially as both the UK and Spain are in NATO and an attack on one is an attack on all of them, so most likely the EU would stay neutral but regardless we would of course have to defend GibraltarTheuniondivvie said:
Fck me, that escalated quickly.HYUFD said:
Technically the only fighting we would ever now be doing on our own is to defend the Falklands or Gibraltar
Presumably in that scenario the EU (-1) would unequivocally back Spain.0 -
Fair enough - but what do the majority in Parliament think ?TheScreamingEagles said:
I thought the other way around.Nigelb said:One thing the messy Speaker compromise over the Brexit vote does perhaps do is cement Bercow in place for the next year.
Worth betting accordingly ?
No way the likes of Andrew Bridgen are going to leave Brexit in the hands of John Bercow.0 -
Very sensible from May.
As many have pointed out (Ledwidge, Fairweather, Elliott, etc), punching above our weight means all too often military defeat where the required ratios for success don't support the plucky little fella approach.
That the top brass should rail against this is no surprise. Just like that other unmentionable, *mm*gr*t**n, our place in the world militarily should be subject to a national debate.
That Tezza is taking this approach now is interesting. All part of the Brexit Dividend, I suppose.0 -
HYUFD is wrong. Our military will be fully engaged in trying to restore order after UDI in Northern Ireland.Theuniondivvie said:
Fck me, that escalated quickly.HYUFD said:
Technically the only fighting we would ever now be doing on our own is to defend the Falklands or Gibraltar
Presumably in that scenario the EU (-1) would unequivocally back Spain.
We won’t have the resources to fight in either Gibraltar or The Malvinas.0 -
But if a confidence vote in Mr Speaker is seen as a proxy vote for the Grieve amendments principles it will be a lot easier for the opposition to win.TheScreamingEagles said:
Same way they got rid of Michael Martin.Sean_F said:
How do they get rid of him? He'll cling on like a barnacle.TheScreamingEagles said:
I thought the other way around.Nigelb said:One thing the messy Speaker compromise over the Brexit vote does perhaps do is cement Bercow in place for the next year.
Worth betting accordingly ?
No way the likes of Andrew Bridgen are going to leave Brexit in the hands of John Bercow.
Start making plans for a vote of confidence in Mr Speaker.0 -
After the USA, China and Russia alongside France we are probably in the top 5tlg86 said:
I'm more worried that there are people in the MoD who think we are still a global military player!Casino_Royale said:
I’m much more worried about the reported remarks of May to Williamson in the FT today.DavidL said:
The cost of building our own fighters/tanks/helicopters is prohibitive. There simply would not be long enough production lines. We either find other countries to work with or we buy American and say goodbye to a lot of skilled jobs.MaxPB said:I'm with the general Brexit means Brexit. Let's leave and get on with the process.
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No as a Canada style FTA does not require FoM and the Commons has rejected the Single Market and the Customs Unionbrendan16 said:
If we end up with the same regulations, the same uncontrolled EU migration and the same legislation through endless transition but no representation it won't be the Brexit envisaged. No MEPs, no say and no other change is hardly an inspiring choice but it seems to be where May is headed if she wants a deal.MaxPB said:I'm with the general Brexit means Brexit. Let's leave and get on with the process.
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When it comes to conventional forces we are not a "tier one" military and I will actually give May some credit here for being one of the few politicians that is actually showing signs of recognising that reality,AlastairMeeks said:0 -
It won’t need a majority to oust Bercow.Nigelb said:
Fair enough - but what do the majority in Parliament think ?TheScreamingEagles said:
I thought the other way around.Nigelb said:One thing the messy Speaker compromise over the Brexit vote does perhaps do is cement Bercow in place for the next year.
Worth betting accordingly ?
No way the likes of Andrew Bridgen are going to leave Brexit in the hands of John Bercow.
If 200 MPs vote against him he’s finished.0 -
The SNP's position would be interesting after their recent spat with him but surely they'd support Bercow, given the Brexit dimension now?TheScreamingEagles said:
Same way they got rid of Michael Martin.Sean_F said:
How do they get rid of him? He'll cling on like a barnacle.TheScreamingEagles said:
I thought the other way around.Nigelb said:One thing the messy Speaker compromise over the Brexit vote does perhaps do is cement Bercow in place for the next year.
Worth betting accordingly ?
No way the likes of Andrew Bridgen are going to leave Brexit in the hands of John Bercow.
Start making plans for a vote of confidence in Mr Speaker.
How ironic that the ERG have indirectly made Bercow a much more influential actor.0 -
More to it than that. The population of Leicester increased by 17% between the last two censuses, but house prices didn't mushroom like they did in London.brendan16 said:
The main reason of course is that there are nearly 2 million more people in London than 20 years ago - and that is the usually resident population so excludes short term migrants. If you increase your population by 25 per cent without building sufficient housing prices will go up.rcs1000 said:
Ummm, Big Bang was more than TWENTY YEARS before 2007.TOPPING said:fpt
Big Bang, with its acquisitions and influx of highly paid financiers, transformed investment (previously merchant) banking from being just another profession into a lottery win.rcs1000 said:I've been working on my latest video, and have been doing some research into UK housing. It's astonishing the divergence between London and the rest of the country. Between 3Q07 and 1Q18, house prices have fallen in the North of England, Scotland and Northern Ireland, while they are up less than 1% in the North West, Yorks & Humberside, and Wales.
The astonishing number is London, where they have jumped 59%, from an already high level.
Here's another funny fact. At the beginning of 1980, the average home in the North of England sold for £18,000 against £31,000 in London. In other words, London was just 67% more expensive. Not any more.
Prior to that doctors, lawyers, bankers were all much of a muchness. Not after. And then there were the hedge funds.
The effect on London house prices continues to this day (look at @Max’s buying power) albeit they are behind oligarchs and hedgies, but hence push out the area across London.
Right, I'm off to bed now.
Quantitative easing, low interest rates, Help to buy which has pushed the price of new builds up for the benefit of developers shareholders and bonus pools and of course a housing benefit system which funds the housing costs of nearly a third of London households also makes a big difference,
Most of those extra 2 million people aren't bankers or hedge fund employees!
Obscenely high and ever rising house prices have been government policy since 1997! Take the props away and control the demand and who knows.0 -
Congratulations to Jacinda Ardern though she has left Winston Peters in charge which is a bit like leaving Farage in charge hereOldKingCole said:Congratulations ot New Zealand’s PMI; second elected world leader to give birth while in office. And it’s a girl.
Just flashed up on BBC!0 -
Hmm.TheScreamingEagles said:
HYUFD is wrong. Our military will be fully engaged in trying to restore order after UDI in Northern Ireland.Theuniondivvie said:
Fck me, that escalated quickly.HYUFD said:
Technically the only fighting we would ever now be doing on our own is to defend the Falklands or Gibraltar
Presumably in that scenario the EU (-1) would unequivocally back Spain.
We won’t have the resources to fight in either Gibraltar or The Malvinas.
Bloody Mon-Sat then.0 -
They use the bullying/sexist allegations to oust him.Philip_Thompson said:
But if a confidence vote in Mr Speaker is seen as a proxy vote for the Grieve amendments principles it will be a lot easier for the opposition to win.TheScreamingEagles said:
Same way they got rid of Michael Martin.Sean_F said:
How do they get rid of him? He'll cling on like a barnacle.TheScreamingEagles said:
I thought the other way around.Nigelb said:One thing the messy Speaker compromise over the Brexit vote does perhaps do is cement Bercow in place for the next year.
Worth betting accordingly ?
No way the likes of Andrew Bridgen are going to leave Brexit in the hands of John Bercow.
Start making plans for a vote of confidence in Mr Speaker.
Plus they can get Momentum on their side by mentioning Bercow’s Judaism nasty past where his Monday Club and anti Catholic comments will damage him.0 -
If he had any self respect maybe. If he chooses to stay on even if he wins the vote by a majority of 1 then how can he be shifted?TheScreamingEagles said:
It won’t need a majority to oust Bercow.Nigelb said:
Fair enough - but what do the majority in Parliament think ?TheScreamingEagles said:
I thought the other way around.Nigelb said:One thing the messy Speaker compromise over the Brexit vote does perhaps do is cement Bercow in place for the next year.
Worth betting accordingly ?
No way the likes of Andrew Bridgen are going to leave Brexit in the hands of John Bercow.
If 200 MPs vote against him he’s finished.0 -
Mr. Eagles, what if 200 vote against him and he refuses to go?
How soon could a second vote (an MPeople's Vote, if you will) be brought about?0 -
No the loyalist paramilitaries would be doing that mainly but we could probably beat the Republic of Ireland, Spain and Argentina combined if necessary, all 3 have much weaker armed forces than the UK does though the chances of that being needed are near 0.TheScreamingEagles said:
HYUFD is wrong. Our military will be fully engaged in trying to restore order after UDI in Northern Ireland.Theuniondivvie said:
Fck me, that escalated quickly.HYUFD said:
Technically the only fighting we would ever now be doing on our own is to defend the Falklands or Gibraltar
Presumably in that scenario the EU (-1) would unequivocally back Spain.
We won’t have the resources to fight in either Gibraltar or The Malvinas.
Key for May and Williamson then - ensure our military can beat Ireland, Spain and Argentina combined, no need for it to be bigger than that0 -
How many houses have been built in Leicester?Foxy said:
More to it than that. The population of Leicester increased by 17% between the last two censuses, but house prices didn't mushroom like they did in London.brendan16 said:
The main reason of course is that there are nearly 2 million more people in London than 20 years ago - and that is the usually resident population so excludes short term migrants. If you increase your population by 25 per cent without building sufficient housing prices will go up.rcs1000 said:
Ummm, Big Bang was more than TWENTY YEARS before 2007.TOPPING said:fpt
Big Bang, with its acquisitions and influx of highly paid financiers, transformed investment (previously merchant) banking from being just another profession into a lottery win.rcs1000 said:I've been working on my latest video, and have been doing some research into UK housing. It's astonishing the divergence between London and the rest of the country. Between 3Q07 and 1Q18, house prices have fallen in the North of England, Scotland and Northern Ireland, while they are up less than 1% in the North West, Yorks & Humberside, and Wales.
The astonishing number is London, where they have jumped 59%, from an already high level.
Here's another funny fact. At the beginning of 1980, the average home in the North of England sold for £18,000 against £31,000 in London. In other words, London was just 67% more expensive. Not any more.
Prior to that doctors, lawyers, bankers were all much of a muchness. Not after. And then there were the hedge funds.
The effect on London house prices continues to this day (look at @Max’s buying power) albeit they are behind oligarchs and hedgies, but hence push out the area across London.
Right, I'm off to bed now.
Quantitative easing, low interest rates, Help to buy which has pushed the price of new builds up for the benefit of developers shareholders and bonus pools and of course a housing benefit system which funds the housing costs of nearly a third of London households also makes a big difference,
Most of those extra 2 million people aren't bankers or hedge fund employees!
Obscenely high and ever rising house prices have been government policy since 1997! Take the props away and control the demand and who knows.0 -
yeah but who would win: UK, RoI, Spain and Argentina vs a bear?HYUFD said:
No the loyalist paramilitaries would be doing that mainly but we could probably beat the Republic of Ireland, Spain and Argentina combined if necessary, all 3 have much weaker armed forces than the UK does though the chances of that being needed are near 0TheScreamingEagles said:
HYUFD is wrong. Our military will be fully engaged in trying to restore order after UDI in Northern Ireland.Theuniondivvie said:
Fck me, that escalated quickly.HYUFD said:
Technically the only fighting we would ever now be doing on our own is to defend the Falklands or Gibraltar
Presumably in that scenario the EU (-1) would unequivocally back Spain.
We won’t have the resources to fight in either Gibraltar or The Malvinas.0 -
This is the time for the SNP to declare UDI, all 35 constituencies will be loyal to the SNP.Theuniondivvie said:
Hmm.TheScreamingEagles said:
HYUFD is wrong. Our military will be fully engaged in trying to restore order after UDI in Northern Ireland.Theuniondivvie said:
Fck me, that escalated quickly.HYUFD said:
Technically the only fighting we would ever now be doing on our own is to defend the Falklands or Gibraltar
Presumably in that scenario the EU (-1) would unequivocally back Spain.
We won’t have the resources to fight in either Gibraltar or The Malvinas.
Bloody Mon-Sat then.
Honestly if you can’t defeat Gavin Williamson then you don’t deserve independence.0 -
The bear.TOPPING said:
yeah but who would win: UK, RoI, Spain and Argentina vs a bear?HYUFD said:
No the loyalist paramilitaries would be doing that mainly but we could probably beat the Republic of Ireland, Spain and Argentina combined if necessary, all 3 have much weaker armed forces than the UK does though the chances of that being needed are near 0TheScreamingEagles said:
HYUFD is wrong. Our military will be fully engaged in trying to restore order after UDI in Northern Ireland.Theuniondivvie said:
Fck me, that escalated quickly.HYUFD said:
Technically the only fighting we would ever now be doing on our own is to defend the Falklands or Gibraltar
Presumably in that scenario the EU (-1) would unequivocally back Spain.
We won’t have the resources to fight in either Gibraltar or The Malvinas.0 -
Solo has been such a disaster that all other Star Wars spin off films have been put on an indefinite hold.0
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They would have to contend with the Atholl Highlanders, I imagine.TheScreamingEagles said:
This is the time for the SNP to declare UDI, all 35 constituencies will be loyal to the SNP.Theuniondivvie said:
Hmm.TheScreamingEagles said:
HYUFD is wrong. Our military will be fully engaged in trying to restore order after UDI in Northern Ireland.Theuniondivvie said:
Fck me, that escalated quickly.HYUFD said:
Technically the only fighting we would ever now be doing on our own is to defend the Falklands or Gibraltar
Presumably in that scenario the EU (-1) would unequivocally back Spain.
We won’t have the resources to fight in either Gibraltar or The Malvinas.
Bloody Mon-Sat then.
Honestly if you can’t defeat Gavin Williamson then you don’t deserve independence.0 -
The Rian Johnson trilogy is said to be on the chopping block as well.TheScreamingEagles said:Solo has been such a disaster that all other Star Wars spin off films have been put on an indefinite hold.
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We are, and rightly so.tlg86 said:
I'm more worried that there are people in the MoD who think we are still a global military player!Casino_Royale said:
I’m much more worried about the reported remarks of May to Williamson in the FT today.DavidL said:
The cost of building our own fighters/tanks/helicopters is prohibitive. There simply would not be long enough production lines. We either find other countries to work with or we buy American and say goodbye to a lot of skilled jobs.MaxPB said:I'm with the general Brexit means Brexit. Let's leave and get on with the process.
I’m very angry about that FT article this morning, and will be writing to my MP later today who, thankfully, is in the cabinet.0 -
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I wonder what Atholl sounds like in a Scottish accent.TOPPING said:
They would have to contend with the Atholl Highlanders, I imagine.TheScreamingEagles said:
This is the time for the SNP to declare UDI, all 35 constituencies will be loyal to the SNP.Theuniondivvie said:
Hmm.TheScreamingEagles said:
HYUFD is wrong. Our military will be fully engaged in trying to restore order after UDI in Northern Ireland.Theuniondivvie said:
Fck me, that escalated quickly.HYUFD said:
Technically the only fighting we would ever now be doing on our own is to defend the Falklands or Gibraltar
Presumably in that scenario the EU (-1) would unequivocally back Spain.
We won’t have the resources to fight in either Gibraltar or The Malvinas.
Bloody Mon-Sat then.
Honestly if you can’t defeat Gavin Williamson then you don’t deserve independence.0 -
I thought that was safe on the proviso Episode IX is a success.MaxPB said:
The Rian Johnson trilogy is said to be on the chopping block as well.TheScreamingEagles said:Solo has been such a disaster that all other Star Wars spin off films have been put on an indefinite hold.
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David Davis is all fart and no follow through.rottenborough said:
3rd July Cabinet holed up in Chequers.
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Will the decimalisation of cannabis lead to gangs of metric martyrs risking jail by the illegal selling of ounces of cannabis instead of legal grams of it?0
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Weren't you going to join up not so long ago? Now more than ever, your country needs you. Get along to Rochester Row forthwith!Casino_Royale said:
We are, and rightly so.tlg86 said:
I'm more worried that there are people in the MoD who think we are still a global military player!Casino_Royale said:
I’m much more worried about the reported remarks of May to Williamson in the FT today.DavidL said:
The cost of building our own fighters/tanks/helicopters is prohibitive. There simply would not be long enough production lines. We either find other countries to work with or we buy American and say goodbye to a lot of skilled jobs.MaxPB said:I'm with the general Brexit means Brexit. Let's leave and get on with the process.
I’m very angry about that FT article this morning, and will be writing to my MP later today who, thankfully, is in the cabinet.0 -
Those two million extra people will also have an exacerbating effect on London's transport and environment problems.brendan16 said:
The main reason of course is that there are nearly 2 million more people in London than 20 years ago - and that is the usually resident population so excludes short term migrants. If you increase your population by 25 per cent without building sufficient housing prices will go up.rcs1000 said:
Ummm, Big Bang was more than TWENTY YEARS before 2007.TOPPING said:fpt
Big Bang, with its acquisitions and influx of highly paid financiers, transformed investment (previously merchant) banking from being just another profession into a lottery win.rcs1000 said:I've been working on my latest video, and have been doing some research into UK housing. It's astonishing the divergence between London and the rest of the country. Between 3Q07 and 1Q18, house prices have fallen in the North of England, Scotland and Northern Ireland, while they are up less than 1% in the North West, Yorks & Humberside, and Wales.
The astonishing number is London, where they have jumped 59%, from an already high level.
Here's another funny fact. At the beginning of 1980, the average home in the North of England sold for £18,000 against £31,000 in London. In other words, London was just 67% more expensive. Not any more.
Prior to that doctors, lawyers, bankers were all much of a muchness. Not after. And then there were the hedge funds.
The effect on London house prices continues to this day (look at @Max’s buying power) albeit they are behind oligarchs and hedgies, but hence push out the area across London.
Right, I'm off to bed now.
Quantitative easing, low interest rates, Help to buy which has pushed the price of new builds up for the benefit of developers shareholders and bonus pools and of course a housing benefit system which funds the housing costs of nearly a third of London households also makes a big difference,
Most of those extra 2 million people aren't bankers or hedge fund employees!
Obscenely high and ever rising house prices have been government policy since 1997! Take the props away and control the demand and who knows.0 -
TheScreamingEagles said:
David Davis is all fart and no follow through.rottenborough said: 3rd July Cabinet holed up in Chequers.
https://twitter.com/BethRigby/status/1009695229803417600TheScreamingEagles said:
David Davis is all fart and no follow through.rottenborough said: 3rd July Cabinet holed up in Chequers.
https://twitter.com/BethRigby/status/1009695229803417600
We keep hearing from the media wild talk of resignations, government losing key votes, imminent snap elections/collapse of government etc. But none of it happens. Pundits know nothing as they have proved time and time again.TheScreamingEagles said:
David Davis is all fart and no follow through.rottenborough said: 3rd July Cabinet holed up in Chequers.
https://twitter.com/BethRigby/status/10096952298034176000 -
A bit like the Brexit recession.houndtang said:TheScreamingEagles said:
David Davis is all fart and no follow through.rottenborough said: 3rd July Cabinet holed up in Chequers.
https://twitter.com/BethRigby/status/1009695229803417600TheScreamingEagles said:
David Davis is all fart and no follow through.rottenborough said: 3rd July Cabinet holed up in Chequers.
https://twitter.com/BethRigby/status/1009695229803417600
We keep hearing from the media wild talk of resignations, government losing key votes, imminent snap elections/collapse of government etc. But none of it happens. Pundits know nothing as they have proved time and time again.TheScreamingEagles said:
David Davis is all fart and no follow through.rottenborough said: 3rd July Cabinet holed up in Chequers.
https://twitter.com/BethRigby/status/10096952298034176000 -
Delayed from yesterday here is Wednesday's Tesco Strawberry score:
Fife
Perthshire
Nottinghamshire
Staffordshire
Cambridgeshire
Norfolk
Herefordshire
Surrey
Kent
The nine being an increase in one from Tuesday with the only change being the addition of Norfolk.0 -
Ep9 is JJ again. It's not going to be a good comparison for Johnson if both of JJ's SW Films gross close to $2bn and his got done over by Jumanji.TheScreamingEagles said:
I thought that was safe on the proviso Episode IX is a success.MaxPB said:
The Rian Johnson trilogy is said to be on the chopping block as well.TheScreamingEagles said:Solo has been such a disaster that all other Star Wars spin off films have been put on an indefinite hold.
I think the whole team are under threat. From Kathleen Kennedy down to the binman. Disney doesn't tolerate failure.0 -
Solo was a perfectly fine movieTheScreamingEagles said:Solo has been such a disaster that all other Star Wars spin off films have been put on an indefinite hold.
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Perhaps the beginning of a trend ?
https://variety.com/2018/politics/news/steve-schmidt-gop-1202852019/
Steve Schmidt, who was senior adviser to John McCain’s 2008 presidential campaign and later an MSNBC contributor, said on Wednesday that he is leaving the Republican party, citing the Trump administration’s border separation policy as a factor in his decision.
He wrote on Twitter that “29 years and nine months ago I registered to vote and became a member of The Republican Party which was founded in 1854 to oppose slavery and stand for the dignity of human life. Today I renounce my membership in the Republican Party. It is fully the party of Trump.” He wrote that the GOP has “become a danger to our democracy and our values.”...0 -
May steering us to soft brexit will save the union as it does not breach the SNP's red lines. There would be no justification for IndyRef2.0
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Mr. Eagles, it sounds like they were really overdoing both the release schedule (although Marvel manages to make it work, but that's with the comicbook back catalogue to draw on) and the PC nonsense that's riled some fans.
Currently, I'm glad I've not seen a Star Wars film since Rogue One.0 -
Don't know about that. He's certainly crapped all over the Brexit negotiations.TheScreamingEagles said:
David Davis is all fart and no follow through.rottenborough said: 3rd July Cabinet holed up in Chequers.
https://twitter.com/BethRigby/status/10096952298034176000 -
Which movie did you watch?!asjohnstone said:
Solo was a perfectly fine movieTheScreamingEagles said:Solo has been such a disaster that all other Star Wars spin off films have been put on an indefinite hold.
They completely ruined the character.0
