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Several bookies have now got odds up who is going to succeed David Dimbleby as the host of the long running BBC series Question Time. Most of them showing a similar assessment to Ladbrokes which features in the panel above.

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  • NemtynakhtNemtynakht Posts: 2,329
    First?
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 123,727
    For me it should be Emma Barnett or Brian Blessed.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 87,487
    edited June 2018
    Donald Trump to end his family separation policy

    Sitting in the White House cabinet room, Donald Trump announced he will sign an executive order to end family separation.

    Trump said: “We’re looking to keep families together. Very important. We’re going to be signing an executive order. We are also going to count on Congress, obviously, but we are signing an executive order in a little while. We’re going to keep families together but we still have to maintain toughness or our country will be overrun by people, by crime, by all of the things that we don’t stand for and that we don’t want.

    So I’m going to be signing an executive order in a little while before I go to Minnesota but, at the same time, I think you have to understand, we’re keeping families together but we have to keep our borders strong. We will be overrun with crime and with people that should not be in our country.”

    https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/live/2018/jun/20/tender-age-trump-children-separations-detention-shelters-latest-news-updates-live
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 123,727
    edited June 2018
    Casino_Royale said:

    She’s a bit older than me but I think I’m starting to fancy Caroline Flint regardless.

    She looks really fun, and is smart and persuasive (sorry Tissue Price!)

    I wonder if she should be Labour leader*. I would be very worried about her.

    (*she won’t be.. because Brexit)

    Nah.

    When I worked in Leeds I regularly used the same train to King's X as Ms Flint, she used to get on at Doncaster.

    For a woman of the people she never sat in pleb class, she was always in the same section as me.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 87,487
    Sepp Blatter has arrived at the WC as a guest of Putin...
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 55,879
    "Given that the only men presenters of the programme since it was first broadcast have been man..."

    Not "Lady-men"? :lol:
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 55,879
    FPT:
    JosiasJessop said:

    Pulpstar said:

    anothernick said:



    Indeed. It is an excellent system. One of the best in the world. Streets ahead of the rest of the UKs rail and transport systems. This is very hard to understand since it is a nationalised industry and we are forever being told on here that nationalised industries are inherently inefficient and wasteful.

    I think the whole tap in tap out contactless system used for TFL ought to be nationwide for every bus and train with standard fares for every journey.
    AIUI it cannot be done, and it's getting increasingly hard to do as TfL's network expands. The problem is possible routes: for example, if you want to go from South Woodford to Mile End on the tube, there is only one practical route whilst tapping in and out of the tube between those zones. But there is one possible combination where they cannot tell which route you took between the zones as you don't have to tap out/in, and therefore charge the lowest of the alternative fares.

    The larger the network, the more complex it gets to work out which route a passenger took, and therefore how much they should be charged for the journey.

    It's worse on local busses, where there is no tap-out and therefore no way to know how long a passenger stays on.

    (All AIUI)
    In London, if you use two buses within one hour, it's £1.50 for both journeys.

    South Woodford to Mile End is Central line, only 15 minutes journey time IIRC.
  • Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 62,888
    edited June 2018
    Humbug. Not a Wark fan. The best people working for the BBC in this regard are probably Neil and Raworth. And they should have the election gig.

    Edited extra bit: Mr. Eagles, I'd like to hear Brian Blessed doing F1 commentary. I've seen both him and Murray Walker do snooker (only a few minutes each) and it was fantastic.
  • AlastairMeeksAlastairMeeks Posts: 30,340
    I haven't watched Question Time in decades. If I want to see people recite the same rehearsed arguments endlessly, pb fulfils all my needs on that front.
  • hamiltonacehamiltonace Posts: 698
    Kirsty Wark would mark a major change. She is closest to old Scottish Labour and a Blairite. No friend of Tories or Brexit.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 87,487
    edited June 2018
    AlastairMeeks said:

    I haven't watched Question Time in decades. If I want to see people recite the same rehearsed arguments endlessly, pb fulfils all my needs on that front.

    You should stop re-reading your own posts.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 123,727
    Morris_Dancer said:

    Humbug. Not a Wark fan. The best people working for the BBC in this regard are probably Neil and Raworth. And they should have the election gig.

    Edited extra bit: Mr. Eagles, I'd like to hear Brian Blessed doing F1 commentary. I've seen both him and Murray Walker do snooker (only a few minutes each) and it was fantastic.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YP11L9jRW94
  • Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 62,888
    Mr. Eagles, it's good, although I think Murray Walker's better.

    I do miss his F1 commentary.

    "There's nothing wrong with the car except that it's on fire."
  • OldKingColeOldKingCole Posts: 35,688
    TheScreamingEagles said:

    Casino_Royale said:

    She’s a bit older than me but I think I’m starting to fancy Caroline Flint regardless.

    She looks really fun, and is smart and persuasive (sorry Tissue Price!)

    I wonder if she should be Labour leader*. I would be very worried about her.

    (*she won’t be.. because Brexit)

    Nah.

    When I worked in Leeds I regularly used the same train to King's X as Ms Flint, she used to get on at Doncaster.

    For a woman of the people she never sat in pleb class, she was always in the same section as me.
    Working on her papers?
  • NemtynakhtNemtynakht Posts: 2,329
    Nemtynakht said:

    First?

    I've been coming on here for at least ten years and that's my first first. Simple pleasures.
  • RogerRoger Posts: 21,053
    Kirsty Young. A new face to breathe life into a dying program 16/1

    Powerful EU Superstate to dwarf UK

    https://metro.co.uk/2018/06/20/trumps-america-first-policy-could-bring-about-a-powerful-eu-superstate-that-leaves-britain-out-in-the-cold-7645758/

  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 64,187
    I haven’t watched Question Time in yonks and, when I did, I got precisely zero value out of it.

    The last time i flirted with it it seemed that various members of the audience were using it to do verbal tweets, either pushing attack lines or pretending they were on PMQs, with everyone else applauding moronically. The panel were no better, and more interested in getting a favourable 1-min clip on YouTube to play to their base than have a proper debate.

    The one person I could see getting order over it would be Andrew Neil, but since he’s perceived (unfairly, in my view) to be too partisan, I very much doubt it.
  • OldKingColeOldKingCole Posts: 35,688
    Uruguay have won!
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 64,187
    TheScreamingEagles said:

    Casino_Royale said:

    She’s a bit older than me but I think I’m starting to fancy Caroline Flint regardless.

    She looks really fun, and is smart and persuasive (sorry Tissue Price!)

    I wonder if she should be Labour leader*. I would be very worried about her.

    (*she won’t be.. because Brexit)

    Nah.

    When I worked in Leeds I regularly used the same train to King's X as Ms Flint, she used to get on at Doncaster.

    For a woman of the people she never sat in pleb class, she was always in the same section as me.
    That doesn’t put me off.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 123,727
    OldKingCole said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    Casino_Royale said:

    She’s a bit older than me but I think I’m starting to fancy Caroline Flint regardless.

    She looks really fun, and is smart and persuasive (sorry Tissue Price!)

    I wonder if she should be Labour leader*. I would be very worried about her.

    (*she won’t be.. because Brexit)

    Nah.

    When I worked in Leeds I regularly used the same train to King's X as Ms Flint, she used to get on at Doncaster.

    For a woman of the people she never sat in pleb class, she was always in the same section as me.
    Working on her papers?
    On the phone mostly, which seemed odd as that part of the network was really poor for mobile signal.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 123,727
    https://twitter.com/bbclaurak/status/1009479283457306625
  • Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 62,888
    Mr. Eagles, playing snake, perhaps.

    Anyway, I must be off.
  • Richard_NabaviRichard_Nabavi Posts: 30,822
    Interesting that the pound rose after the government victory. Clearly the markets had figured out that a defeat would have made No Deal more likely.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 123,727
    I gave up on Question Time years ago when it was a local episode.

    The average member of the public asking questions included inter alia

    1) The agent of a nearby (Tory) MP

    2) A (Lib Dem) candidate for the local council

    3) A former (Labour) local councillor

    4) A Trade Unionist

    The wider public wouldn't have been aware of that and got me thinking is that what happens on every QT?
  • dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 30,631
    Tired format. Get rid of it. What are the viewing figures out of interest?
  • hamiltonacehamiltonace Posts: 698
    Pour que l'orage s'annonce.

    Anyone else get the feeling that everyone is just going through the motions at the moment until the storm hits later in the year. I had previously thought that TM could pull off Brexit but there is only so much under performance possible. Events will start to overtake her and I cant see her lasting the year anymore.

  • The_ApocalypseThe_Apocalypse Posts: 7,830
    dixiedean said:

    Tired format. Get rid of it. What are the viewing figures out of interest?

    I used to watch QT a lot - now I only watch it every now and then. I’ve almost entirely stopped watching This Week.
  • dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 30,631
    edited June 2018
    Sunil_Prasannan said:

    FPT:

    JosiasJessop said:

    Pulpstar said:

    anothernick said:



    Indeed. It is an excellent system. One of the best in the world. Streets ahead of the rest of the UKs rail and transport systems. This is very hard to understand since it is a nationalised industry and we are forever being told on here that nationalised industries are inherently inefficient and wasteful.

    I think the whole tap in tap out contactless system used for TFL ought to be nationwide for every bus and train with standard fares for every journey.
    AIUI it cannot be done, and it's getting increasingly hard to do as TfL's network expands. The problem is possible routes: for example, if you want to go from South Woodford to Mile End on the tube, there is only one practical route whilst tapping in and out of the tube between those zones. But there is one possible combination where they cannot tell which route you took between the zones as you don't have to tap out/in, and therefore charge the lowest of the alternative fares.

    The larger the network, the more complex it gets to work out which route a passenger took, and therefore how much they should be charged for the journey.

    It's worse on local busses, where there is no tap-out and therefore no way to know how long a passenger stays on.

    (All AIUI)
    In London, if you use two buses within one hour, it's £1.50 for both journeys.

    South Woodford to Mile End is Central line, only 15 minutes journey time IIRC.
    £1.50? Jesus. Here it is £4.50 for the 4 mile return trip to the nearest town. That is 2 miles each way btw.
  • RoyalBlueRoyalBlue Posts: 3,223
    TheScreamingEagles said:

    https://twitter.com/bbclaurak/status/1009479283457306625

    I’m not sure why a Europhile civil servant should be quoted as an authority on the Tory Party.

    Regarding the amendment that the Government put forward, assuming Bercow says the motion can be amended, is it true to say that the Government can ignore whatever the motion says?

    If that’s the case, I think Brexiteers can relax a little. The only way Remainer Tory MPs will be able to stop a hard Brexit will be to no-confidence their own government, and probably put Corbyn into Downing Street.

    Did I get anything wrong? Have been busy this afternoon so haven’t been able to follow the detail.
  • logical_songlogical_song Posts: 10,086
    Matthew Wright or Eddie Mair would be good.
  • dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 30,631
    The_Apocalypse said:

    dixiedean said:

    Tired format. Get rid of it. What are the viewing figures out of interest?

    I used to watch QT a lot - now I only watch it every now and then. I’ve almost entirely stopped watching This Week.
    Mmm. If PBers aren't watching it in any great numbers, the question of who exactly does arises.
  • BigRichBigRich Posts: 3,492
    Richard_Nabavi said:

    Interesting that the pound rose after the government victory. Clearly the markets had figured out that a defeat would have made No Deal more likely.

    Or that the market think that 'No Deal' is the better possible outcome?
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 64,187
    TheScreamingEagles said:

    I gave up on Question Time years ago when it was a local episode.

    The average member of the public asking questions included inter alia

    1) The agent of a nearby (Tory) MP

    2) A (Lib Dem) candidate for the local council

    3) A former (Labour) local councillor

    4) A Trade Unionist

    The wider public wouldn't have been aware of that and got me thinking is that what happens on every QT?

    It is. That was certainly the case in Bristol when I was there.

    The BBC want politically engaged people who will ask questions, and fill seats.
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 56,314
    RoyalBlue said:

    If that’s the case, I think Brexiteers can relax a little. The only way Remainer Tory MPs will be able to stop a hard Brexit will be to no-confidence their own government, and probably put Corbyn into Downing Street.

    Did I get anything wrong? Have been busy this afternoon so haven’t been able to follow the detail.

    There's no way Corbyn can command a majority in the current parliament. If the government is no-confidenced in a crisis situation, it could only lead to a government of national unity which would ask to pause the negotiations and probably hold a second referendum.
  • DecrepitJohnLDecrepitJohnL Posts: 13,300
    FrancisUrquhart said:

    Donald Trump to end his family separation policy

    Sitting in the White House cabinet room, Donald Trump announced he will sign an executive order to end family separation.

    Trump said: “We’re looking to keep families together. Very important. We’re going to be signing an executive order. We are also going to count on Congress, obviously, but we are signing an executive order in a little while. We’re going to keep families together but we still have to maintain toughness or our country will be overrun by people, by crime, by all of the things that we don’t stand for and that we don’t want.

    So I’m going to be signing an executive order in a little while before I go to Minnesota but, at the same time, I think you have to understand, we’re keeping families together but we have to keep our borders strong. We will be overrun with crime and with people that should not be in our country.”

    https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/live/2018/jun/20/tender-age-trump-children-separations-detention-shelters-latest-news-updates-live

    Always likely after Melania condemned it.
  • BarnesianBarnesian Posts: 9,336
    williamglenn said:

    RoyalBlue said:

    If that’s the case, I think Brexiteers can relax a little. The only way Remainer Tory MPs will be able to stop a hard Brexit will be to no-confidence their own government, and probably put Corbyn into Downing Street.

    Did I get anything wrong? Have been busy this afternoon so haven’t been able to follow the detail.

    There's no way Corbyn can command a majority in the current parliament. If the government is no-confidenced in a crisis situation, it could only lead to a government of national unity which would ask to pause the negotiations and probably hold a second referendum.
    Step forward Cable.
  • DecrepitJohnLDecrepitJohnL Posts: 13,300
    Question Time wanders round the country so the presenter will need to be happy to travel late at night (even if it is in the back of a limo on expenses).
  • NormNorm Posts: 1,251
    edited June 2018
    I am happy to go with Kirsty Wark despite her left of centre leanings. Apart from her vast experience of current affairs on Newsnight she has great knowledge of the Arts, can certainly cook (based on that reality cookery prog she was in) and has a sense of humour. Generally she seems a well-rounded individual. Strangely I don't think the politics of the presenter are that important. Of greater significance are the make-up of the guests , the audience and which questions are selected.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 99,386
    dixiedean said:

    The_Apocalypse said:

    dixiedean said:

    Tired format. Get rid of it. What are the viewing figures out of interest?

    I used to watch QT a lot - now I only watch it every now and then. I’ve almost entirely stopped watching This Week.
    Mmm. If PBers aren't watching it in any great numbers, the question of who exactly does arises.
    A fair point, perhaps, although my theory is that we think we know better about political anyway, and have had our fill of political discourse, after a fashion, while QT's audience will be people interested enough in politics to watch QT, but not not interested to argue about it themselves.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 87,487
    Never watch QT these days, I don't want to watch a rapper, a Blue Peter presenter and z-celeb reality show star give their opinions.
  • chloechloe Posts: 308
    O/T they were handing out people’s vote leaflets for a march this Saturday. I voted remain in the referendum and would probably do so again although I don’t really agree that there should be a second referendum/people’s vote.

    What makes me really cross though is that we are being let down by our politicians who should be able to sit down, agree what they want and put together a sensible proposal to the EU and negotiate on our behalf.
  • Stark_DawningStark_Dawning Posts: 10,377
    Awful programme. The invited politicians are embarrassing enough, but the plebs in the audience who think they have something interesting to contribute are just painful. (Farage's omnipresence demonstrates it's serious bread-and-circus stuff.)
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 87,487
    Stark_Dawning said:

    Awful programme. The invited politicians are embarrassing enough, but the plebs in the audience who think they have something interesting to contribute are just painful. (Farage's omnipresence demonstrates it's serious bread-and-circus stuff.)

    https://youtu.be/p3tUqRBiMVo
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 99,386
    chloe said:

    O/T they were handing out people’s vote leaflets for a march this Saturday. I voted remain in the referendum and would probably do so again although I don’t really agree that there should be a second referendum/people’s vote.

    What makes me really cross though is that we are being let down by our politicians who should be able to sit down, agree what they want and put together a sensible proposal to the EU and negotiate on our behalf.

    It is disheartening we haven't really got to the 'what do we want to ask for' side of things yet. That's one thing we really cannot blame on the EU in any way.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 99,386
    FrancisUrquhart said:

    Stark_Dawning said:

    Awful programme. The invited politicians are embarrassing enough, but the plebs in the audience who think they have something interesting to contribute are just painful. (Farage's omnipresence demonstrates it's serious bread-and-circus stuff.)

    https://youtu.be/p3tUqRBiMVo
    Love that sketch.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 99,386
    I'm actually surprised that I recognise most of the names on the list above.
  • JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 47,015
    Sunil_Prasannan said:

    FPT:

    JosiasJessop said:

    Pulpstar said:

    anothernick said:



    Indeed. It is an excellent system. One of the best in the world. Streets ahead of the rest of the UKs rail and transport systems. This is very hard to understand since it is a nationalised industry and we are forever being told on here that nationalised industries are inherently inefficient and wasteful.

    I think the whole tap in tap out contactless system used for TFL ought to be nationwide for every bus and train with standard fares for every journey.
    AIUI it cannot be done, and it's getting increasingly hard to do as TfL's network expands. The problem is possible routes: for example, if you want to go from South Woodford to Mile End on the tube, there is only one practical route whilst tapping in and out of the tube between those zones. But there is one possible combination where they cannot tell which route you took between the zones as you don't have to tap out/in, and therefore charge the lowest of the alternative fares.

    The larger the network, the more complex it gets to work out which route a passenger took, and therefore how much they should be charged for the journey.

    It's worse on local busses, where there is no tap-out and therefore no way to know how long a passenger stays on.

    (All AIUI)
    In London, if you use two buses within one hour, it's £1.50 for both journeys.

    South Woodford to Mile End is Central line, only 15 minutes journey time IIRC.
    I;m not quite sure what point you're trying to make ... :)
  • MikeLMikeL Posts: 7,810
    EU Withdrawal Bill goes back to the Lords at 7.30pm tonight - when most Peers will have gone home (LOL).
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 80,096
    Stephen Lloyd of the LDS abstained on the vote.
  • NormNorm Posts: 1,251
    Roger said:

    Kirsty Young. A new face to breathe life into a dying program 16/1

    Powerful EU Superstate to dwarf UK

    https://metro.co.uk/2018/06/20/trumps-america-first-policy-could-bring-about-a-powerful-eu-superstate-that-leaves-britain-out-in-the-cold-7645758/

    Any talk of an impending EU superstate even in response to Trump's excesses will only reinforce in Leavers' minds that their choice was the right one.
  • anothernickanothernick Posts: 3,591
    hamiltonace said:

    Pour que l'orage s'annonce.

    Anyone else get the feeling that everyone is just going through the motions at the moment until the storm hits later in the year. I had previously thought that TM could pull off Brexit but there is only so much under performance possible. Events will start to overtake her and I cant see her lasting the year anymore.

    Agreed. The chances of a successful Brexit deal were never good but must now be close to non existent. The UK will shortly face a choice between crashing out or accepting the EU's terms, which will presumably be SM/CU and continued substantial budget contributions. May's government will be swept away in the maelstrom that such a choice will cause.
  • NormNorm Posts: 1,251
    Pulpstar said:

    Stephen Lloyd of the LDS abstained on the vote.

    He promised local voters he will retain an independent stance on the EU from the rest of his party. That promise may have been enough to squeeze out the local Tory at Eastbourne in GE 2017 so I guess he couldn't renege on his position in such a high profile vote.
  • CyclefreeCyclefree Posts: 25,751
    Not Kirsty Wark.

    Mind you, I never watch QT so don’t really care. But I can’t stand her on Newsnight.
  • RoyalBlueRoyalBlue Posts: 3,223
    Pulpstar said:

    Stephen Lloyd of the LDS abstained on the vote.

    I can only read LDS as Latter Day Saints!

    I don’t remember the Mormons having bishops in the HoL...
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 99,386
    hamiltonace said:

    Pour que l'orage s'annonce.

    Anyone else get the feeling that everyone is just going through the motions at the moment until the storm hits later in the year. I had previously thought that TM could pull off Brexit but there is only so much under performance possible. Events will start to overtake her and I cant see her lasting the year anymore.

    I think you're right.
  • JonathanJonathan Posts: 22,107
    edited June 2018
    Andrew Neil or James O Brien for me.

  • CyclefreeCyclefree Posts: 25,751
    AlastairMeeks said:

    I haven't watched Question Time in decades. If I want to see people recite the same rehearsed arguments endlessly, pb fulfils all my needs on that front.

    Saucer of milk for you.
  • The_ApocalypseThe_Apocalypse Posts: 7,830
    https://twitter.com/nickriccardi/status/1009475925962977280?s=21
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 64,187
    FrancisUrquhart said:

    Stark_Dawning said:

    Awful programme. The invited politicians are embarrassing enough, but the plebs in the audience who think they have something interesting to contribute are just painful. (Farage's omnipresence demonstrates it's serious bread-and-circus stuff.)

    https://youtu.be/p3tUqRBiMVo
    That's a very good summary.
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 64,187
    Roger said:

    Kirsty Young. A new face to breathe life into a dying program 16/1

    Powerful EU Superstate to dwarf UK

    https://metro.co.uk/2018/06/20/trumps-america-first-policy-could-bring-about-a-powerful-eu-superstate-that-leaves-britain-out-in-the-cold-7645758/

    I'd be relaxed about that, but that's a poor article on a number of levels.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 75,253
    edited June 2018
    If anyone wants to see total carnage on a scale even Alex Hales can only dream of, look at the scorecard from Taunton.

    England are about to set South Africa over 240 in a hit and giggle WT20I. Katherine Brunt has 43 off the small matter of 16 balls. Tammy Beaumont was almost as brutal and was there longer.

    Edit - I was wrong about the target. It wasn't 'over 240' except in the loosest sense of the word. South Africa are chasing 251.
  • rural_voterrural_voter Posts: 2,038
    Norm said:

    Roger said:

    Kirsty Young. A new face to breathe life into a dying program 16/1

    Powerful EU Superstate to dwarf UK

    https://metro.co.uk/2018/06/20/trumps-america-first-policy-could-bring-about-a-powerful-eu-superstate-that-leaves-britain-out-in-the-cold-7645758/

    Any talk of an impending EU superstate even in response to Trump's excesses will only reinforce in Leavers' minds that their choice was the right one.
    There seems no chance of a superstate. What many Europhiles favour is an eventual federation.

    There is a difference.

    The USA, Canada, Australia, Switzerland and some others are federations.
    France is a superstate.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 87,487
    edited June 2018
    Looks like another example of EU trying to something and making a total mess of it, but they won’t change course like VAT disaster,

    https://www.independent.co.uk/life-style/gadgets-and-tech/news/eu-article-11-13-latest-gdpr-link-tax-internet-juri-censorship-a8407566.html
  • CD13CD13 Posts: 6,388
    I don't watch QT anymore. The Boston edition which showed a Remain audience made me doubt my sanity for a while. Fortunately, I do speak to normal inhabitants after all.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 75,253
    Cyclefree said:

    Not Kirsty Wark.

    Mind you, I never watch QT so don’t really care. But I can’t stand her on Newsnight.

    Kirsty Young would be good if she's available.

    Or if they want to show how serious and clued up it is, Angus Deayton might be a good choice.
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 64,187
    rural_voter said:

    Norm said:

    Roger said:

    Kirsty Young. A new face to breathe life into a dying program 16/1

    Powerful EU Superstate to dwarf UK

    https://metro.co.uk/2018/06/20/trumps-america-first-policy-could-bring-about-a-powerful-eu-superstate-that-leaves-britain-out-in-the-cold-7645758/

    Any talk of an impending EU superstate even in response to Trump's excesses will only reinforce in Leavers' minds that their choice was the right one.
    There seems no chance of a superstate. What many Europhiles favour is an eventual federation.

    There is a difference.

    The USA, Canada, Australia, Switzerland and some others are federations.
    France is a superstate.
    That really is splitting hairs though.

    All four of the examples you cite are single countries, which is precisely the point.
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 80,096
    Vamos Persia
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 75,253
    rural_voter said:

    Norm said:

    Roger said:

    Kirsty Young. A new face to breathe life into a dying program 16/1

    Powerful EU Superstate to dwarf UK

    https://metro.co.uk/2018/06/20/trumps-america-first-policy-could-bring-about-a-powerful-eu-superstate-that-leaves-britain-out-in-the-cold-7645758/

    Any talk of an impending EU superstate even in response to Trump's excesses will only reinforce in Leavers' minds that their choice was the right one.
    There seems no chance of a superstate. What many Europhiles favour is an eventual federation.

    There is a difference.

    The USA, Canada, Australia, Switzerland and some others are federations.
    France is a superstate.
    I'm intrigued. How would you define the two terms?
  • Richard_TyndallRichard_Tyndall Posts: 33,583
    FrancisUrquhart said:

    Looks like another example of EU trying to something and making a total mess of it, but they won’t change course like VAT disaster,

    https://www.independent.co.uk/life-style/gadgets-and-tech/news/eu-article-11-13-latest-gdpr-link-tax-internet-juri-censorship-a8407566.html

    I have been going on about this for months. This site would be in big trouble for a start as it would be a breach of the rules for any of us to post links to news items on other websites.
  • OldKingColeOldKingCole Posts: 35,688
    edited June 2018
    rural_voter said:

    Norm said:

    Roger said:

    Kirsty Young. A new face to breathe life into a dying program 16/1

    Powerful EU Superstate to dwarf UK

    https://metro.co.uk/2018/06/20/trumps-america-first-policy-could-bring-about-a-powerful-eu-superstate-that-leaves-britain-out-in-the-cold-7645758/

    Any talk of an impending EU superstate even in response to Trump's excesses will only reinforce in Leavers' minds that their choice was the right one.
    There seems no chance of a superstate. What many Europhiles favour is an eventual federation.

    There is a difference.

    The USA, Canada, Australia, Switzerland and some others are federations.
    France is a superstate.
    As is the UK. Although it might just be breaking up.
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 56,314
    Casino_Royale said:

    rural_voter said:

    Norm said:

    Roger said:

    Kirsty Young. A new face to breathe life into a dying program 16/1

    Powerful EU Superstate to dwarf UK

    https://metro.co.uk/2018/06/20/trumps-america-first-policy-could-bring-about-a-powerful-eu-superstate-that-leaves-britain-out-in-the-cold-7645758/

    Any talk of an impending EU superstate even in response to Trump's excesses will only reinforce in Leavers' minds that their choice was the right one.
    There seems no chance of a superstate. What many Europhiles favour is an eventual federation.

    There is a difference.

    The USA, Canada, Australia, Switzerland and some others are federations.
    France is a superstate.
    That really is splitting hairs though.

    All four of the examples you cite are single countries, which is precisely the point.
    How about the UK? It contains more than one country, as the World Cup reminds us.
  • Richard_TyndallRichard_Tyndall Posts: 33,583
    Jonathan said:

    Andrew Neil or James O Brien for me.

    I think both would be poor. The Chairman of Question Time needs to be the facilitator who allows the guests to answer the questions rather than indulging in their own polemics which both Neil and O'Brien are prone to do.
  • OldKingColeOldKingCole Posts: 35,688
    ydoethur said:

    If anyone wants to see total carnage on a scale even Alex Hales can only dream of, look at the scorecard from Taunton.

    England are about to set South Africa over 240 in a hit and giggle WT20I. Katherine Brunt has 43 off the small matter of 16 balls. Tammy Beaumont was almost as brutal and was there longer.

    Edit - I was wrong about the target. It wasn't 'over 240' except in the loosest sense of the word. South Africa are chasing 251.

    And SA are 2-1 in the second over!
  • Richard_TyndallRichard_Tyndall Posts: 33,583
    OT.

    If anyone gets the chance to go and see David Byrne in concert do so - particularly if you are a fan of the old Talking Heads stuff. It is a quite remarkable performance. NME described it as "what may just be the best live show of all time".

    We were lucky enough to be right down at the front last night and it was just mesmerising.
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 56,367
    ydoethur said:

    If anyone wants to see total carnage on a scale even Alex Hales can only dream of, look at the scorecard from Taunton.

    England are about to set South Africa over 240 in a hit and giggle WT20I. Katherine Brunt has 43 off the small matter of 16 balls. Tammy Beaumont was almost as brutal and was there longer.

    Edit - I was wrong about the target. It wasn't 'over 240' except in the loosest sense of the word. South Africa are chasing 251.

    Batting is unbelievable. Catching equally so but not in a good way.
  • CarlottaVanceCarlottaVance Posts: 60,422
    https://twitter.com/JohnJCrace/status/1009501004897882112?s=20
  • rural_voterrural_voter Posts: 2,038
    williamglenn said:

    Casino_Royale said:

    rural_voter said:

    Norm said:

    Roger said:

    Kirsty Young. A new face to breathe life into a dying program 16/1

    Powerful EU Superstate to dwarf UK

    https://metro.co.uk/2018/06/20/trumps-america-first-policy-could-bring-about-a-powerful-eu-superstate-that-leaves-britain-out-in-the-cold-7645758/

    Any talk of an impending EU superstate even in response to Trump's excesses will only reinforce in Leavers' minds that their choice was the right one.
    There seems no chance of a superstate. What many Europhiles favour is an eventual federation.

    There is a difference.

    The USA, Canada, Australia, Switzerland and some others are federations.
    France is a superstate.
    That really is splitting hairs though.

    All four of the examples you cite are single countries, which is precisely the point.
    How about the UK? It contains more than one country, as the World Cup reminds us.
    I'm not sure if the UK is a true federation. But under US 'states' rights' my understanding is that unless sovereignty on a matter was very specifically passed to the federal government a state isn't prevented from passing its own legislation. California has state air pollution regulations which differ from other states. In some ways, that's slightly more decentralised than the EU.

    I fail to see a problem if a federal country has elected levels of government, elaborate checks and balances, written constitution, etc. The EU parliament is elected by PR. In that respect it's superior to ours which isn't.
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 61,387
    ydoethur said:

    rural_voter said:

    Norm said:

    Roger said:

    Kirsty Young. A new face to breathe life into a dying program 16/1

    Powerful EU Superstate to dwarf UK

    https://metro.co.uk/2018/06/20/trumps-america-first-policy-could-bring-about-a-powerful-eu-superstate-that-leaves-britain-out-in-the-cold-7645758/

    Any talk of an impending EU superstate even in response to Trump's excesses will only reinforce in Leavers' minds that their choice was the right one.
    There seems no chance of a superstate. What many Europhiles favour is an eventual federation.

    There is a difference.

    The USA, Canada, Australia, Switzerland and some others are federations.
    France is a superstate.
    I'm intrigued. How would you define the two terms?
    Federations have bad food. Superstates have good food.
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 56,314
    rural_voter said:

    williamglenn said:

    Casino_Royale said:

    rural_voter said:

    Norm said:

    Roger said:

    Kirsty Young. A new face to breathe life into a dying program 16/1

    Powerful EU Superstate to dwarf UK

    https://metro.co.uk/2018/06/20/trumps-america-first-policy-could-bring-about-a-powerful-eu-superstate-that-leaves-britain-out-in-the-cold-7645758/

    Any talk of an impending EU superstate even in response to Trump's excesses will only reinforce in Leavers' minds that their choice was the right one.
    There seems no chance of a superstate. What many Europhiles favour is an eventual federation.

    There is a difference.

    The USA, Canada, Australia, Switzerland and some others are federations.
    France is a superstate.
    That really is splitting hairs though.

    All four of the examples you cite are single countries, which is precisely the point.
    How about the UK? It contains more than one country, as the World Cup reminds us.
    I'm not sure if the UK is a true federation. But under US 'states' rights' my understanding is that unless sovereignty on a matter was very specifically passed to the federal government a state isn't prevented from passing its own legislation. California has state air pollution regulations which differ from other states. In some ways, that's slightly more decentralised than the EU.
    I was thinking of the UK as an example of a superstate, where any potential devolution is totally at the whim of the central authority.
  • tlg86tlg86 Posts: 27,214
    I doubt he'll get it, but I thought Nick Robinson did a good job with the leaders Q&A thing at last year's election.
  • CarlottaVanceCarlottaVance Posts: 60,422
    https://twitter.com/peston/status/1009506895957299200?s=21
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 130,217
    williamglenn said:

    rural_voter said:

    williamglenn said:

    Casino_Royale said:

    rural_voter said:

    Norm said:

    Roger said:

    Kirsty Young. A new face to breathe life into a dying program 16/1

    Powerful EU Superstate to dwarf UK

    https://metro.co.uk/2018/06/20/trumps-america-first-policy-could-bring-about-a-powerful-eu-superstate-that-leaves-britain-out-in-the-cold-7645758/

    Any talk of an impending EU superstate even in response to Trump's excesses will only reinforce in Leavers' minds that their choice was the right one.
    There seems no chance of a superstate. What many Europhiles favour is an eventual federation.

    There is a difference.

    The USA, Canada, Australia, Switzerland and some others are federations.
    France is a superstate.
    That really is splitting hairs though.

    All four of the examples you cite are single countries, which is precisely the point.
    How about the UK? It contains more than one country, as the World Cup reminds us.
    I'm not sure if the UK is a true federation. But under US 'states' rights' my understanding is that unless sovereignty on a matter was very specifically passed to the federal government a state isn't prevented from passing its own legislation. California has state air pollution regulations which differ from other states. In some ways, that's slightly more decentralised than the EU.
    I was thinking of the UK as an example of a superstate, where any potential devolution is totally at the whim of the central authority.
    As technically is independence given the absolute sovereignty of Westminster, though in reality more of the former has and will be used to avoid the latter. A pity the EU never thought the same way
  • CharlesCharles Posts: 35,758
    RoyalBlue said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    https://twitter.com/bbclaurak/status/1009479283457306625

    I’m not sure why a Europhile civil servant should be quoted as an authority on the Tory Party.

    Regarding the amendment that the Government put forward, assuming Bercow says the motion can be amended, is it true to say that the Government can ignore whatever the motion says?

    If that’s the case, I think Brexiteers can relax a little. The only way Remainer Tory MPs will be able to stop a hard Brexit will be to no-confidence their own government, and probably put Corbyn into Downing Street.

    Did I get anything wrong? Have been busy this afternoon so haven’t been able to follow the detail.
    Nick chairs our main family company... let's say he is very good at drawing a consensus out of conflicting viewpoints... :wink:
  • CyclefreeCyclefree Posts: 25,751
    Richard_Tyndall said:

    FrancisUrquhart said:

    Looks like another example of EU trying to something and making a total mess of it, but they won’t change course like VAT disaster,

    https://www.independent.co.uk/life-style/gadgets-and-tech/news/eu-article-11-13-latest-gdpr-link-tax-internet-juri-censorship-a8407566.html

    I have been going on about this for months. This site would be in big trouble for a start as it would be a breach of the rules for any of us to post links to news items on other websites.
    It would destroy pretty much any site or blog. Or something like LinkedIn or any business site with links to relevant third party websites. And what about if you wanted to send a link to someone privately? Or when you have paid to subscribe to a newspaper?
  • JPJ2JPJ2 Posts: 380
    Kirsty Wark is rabidly unionist (even the BBC were obliged to reprimand her for an inappropriate overly robust questioning of Salmond), she is Scottish, and would therefore go a little way to shoring up the justification for declaring QT as managed and chargeable to Scotland in spite of it recently having gone 12 weeks and therefore 60 panellists without a single representative from the third party in Westminster.

    A good bet, I would say :-)
  • WhisperingOracleWhisperingOracle Posts: 10,645
    The Customs Union will be the next big clash. Not sure who will lead the remain camp, unless Grieve manages to somehow rebuild his position by then.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 130,217
    WhisperingOracle said:

    The Customs Union will be the next big clash. Not sure who will lead the remain camp, unless Grieve manages to somehow rebuild his position by then.

    The Commons voted against staying in the Customs Union last week
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 75,253
    rural_voter said:

    williamglenn said:

    Casino_Royale said:

    rural_voter said:

    Norm said:

    Roger said:

    Kirsty Young. A new face to breathe life into a dying program 16/1

    Powerful EU Superstate to dwarf UK

    https://metro.co.uk/2018/06/20/trumps-america-first-policy-could-bring-about-a-powerful-eu-superstate-that-leaves-britain-out-in-the-cold-7645758/

    Any talk of an impending EU superstate even in response to Trump's excesses will only reinforce in Leavers' minds that their choice was the right one.
    There seems no chance of a superstate. What many Europhiles favour is an eventual federation.

    There is a difference.

    The USA, Canada, Australia, Switzerland and some others are federations.
    France is a superstate.
    That really is splitting hairs though.

    All four of the examples you cite are single countries, which is precisely the point.
    How about the UK? It contains more than one country, as the World Cup reminds us.
    I'm not sure if the UK is a true federation. But under US 'states' rights' my understanding is that unless sovereignty on a matter was very specifically passed to the federal government a state isn't prevented from passing its own legislation. California has state air pollution regulations which differ from other states. In some ways, that's slightly more decentralised than the EU.

    I fail to see a problem if a federal country has elected levels of government, elaborate checks and balances, written constitution, etc. The EU parliament is elected by PR. In that respect it's superior to ours which isn't.
    Under the Constitution, anything not specifically Federal was a State matter.
  • WhisperingOracleWhisperingOracle Posts: 10,645
    edited June 2018
    HYUFD said:

    WhisperingOracle said:

    The Customs Union will be the next big clash. Not sure who will lead the remain camp, unless Grieve manages to somehow rebuild his position by then.

    The Commons voted against staying in the Customs Union last week
    Cross party amendments on membership coming up.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 75,253
    edited June 2018
    I have looked more closely at Taunton. I am feeling very sorry for South Africa women.

    To concede the highest total ever in the history of T20 cricket may be considered a misfortune. To have conceded two such records, on the same afternoon, in consecutive matches looks like carelessness.
  • AnazinaAnazina Posts: 3,487
    Cyclefree, yes you were equivocating. I asked you a simple question, whether you thought the Leave campaign was xenophobic, which you failed to answer. You intimated you had not registered the campaign, a claim which bears no scrutiny. You dressed this non-answer up in swathes of quasi-intellectual waffle.

    Elliot, you are a flake. Buy a decent map. Plot a better route. You’ll be amazed by the difference in air quality when you eschew the obvious highways.

    Josias, of course it can be done. Don’t be ridiculous. Adopt Pulpstar’s idea and simply charge by the mile as the crow flies if necessary. I laugh in the face of rail people arguing that simplifying fares
    cannot be done.

    Another Nick. Quite right. The UK’s best and most popular railway is nationalised. Surely this cannot be?
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 75,253
    Anazina said:

    Another Nick. Quite right. The UK’s best and most popular railway is nationalised. Surely this cannot be?

    I thought the Ffestiniog was owned by a charitable trust?
  • ralphmalphralphmalph Posts: 2,201
    Anazina said:

    Cyclefree, yes you were equivocating. I asked you a simple question, whether you thought the Leave campaign was xenophobic, which you failed to answer. You intimated you had not registered the campaign, a claim which bears no scrutiny. You dressed this non-answer up in swathes of quasi-intellectual waffle.

    Elliot, you are a flake. Buy a decent map. Plot a better route. You’ll be amazed by the difference in air quality when you eschew the obvious highways.

    Josias, of course it can be done. Don’t be ridiculous. Adopt Pulpstar’s idea and simply charge by the mile as the crow flies if necessary. I laugh in the face of rail people arguing that simplifying fares
    cannot be done.

    Another Nick. Quite right. The UK’s best and most popular railway is nationalised. Surely this cannot be?

    Did you think the Britain Stronger in campaign was xenophobic?
  • AnazinaAnazina Posts: 3,487
    ralphmalph said:

    Anazina said:

    Cyclefree, yes you were equivocating. I asked you a simple question, whether you thought the Leave campaign was xenophobic, which you failed to answer. You intimated you had not registered the campaign, a claim which bears no scrutiny. You dressed this non-answer up in swathes of quasi-intellectual waffle.

    Elliot, you are a flake. Buy a decent map. Plot a better route. You’ll be amazed by the difference in air quality when you eschew the obvious highways.

    Josias, of course it can be done. Don’t be ridiculous. Adopt Pulpstar’s idea and simply charge by the mile as the crow flies if necessary. I laugh in the face of rail people arguing that simplifying fares
    cannot be done.

    Another Nick. Quite right. The UK’s best and most popular railway is nationalised. Surely this cannot be?

    Did you think the Britain Stronger in campaign was xenophobic?
    No.
  • OldKingColeOldKingCole Posts: 35,688
    Half an hour to go, Spain 1-0 up.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 75,253
    In the cricket, it is fair to say that Messalina's record for the most epic royal screwing of the greatest number of people in he shortest space of time has just been broken at Taunton.
  • Philip_ThompsonPhilip_Thompson Posts: 65,826
    Richard_Tyndall said:

    FrancisUrquhart said:

    Looks like another example of EU trying to something and making a total mess of it, but they won’t change course like VAT disaster,

    https://www.independent.co.uk/life-style/gadgets-and-tech/news/eu-article-11-13-latest-gdpr-link-tax-internet-juri-censorship-a8407566.html

    I have been going on about this for months. This site would be in big trouble for a start as it would be a breach of the rules for any of us to post links to news items on other websites.
    Would FrancisUrquhart having linked to what the EU has done on the Independent website be illegal?

    In which case how would people scrutinise their government if sharing news is illegal? Seems very dodgy.
  • ralphmalphralphmalph Posts: 2,201
    Anazina said:

    ralphmalph said:

    Anazina said:

    Cyclefree, yes you were equivocating. I asked you a simple question, whether you thought the Leave campaign was xenophobic, which you failed to answer. You intimated you had not registered the campaign, a claim which bears no scrutiny. You dressed this non-answer up in swathes of quasi-intellectual waffle.

    Elliot, you are a flake. Buy a decent map. Plot a better route. You’ll be amazed by the difference in air quality when you eschew the obvious highways.

    Josias, of course it can be done. Don’t be ridiculous. Adopt Pulpstar’s idea and simply charge by the mile as the crow flies if necessary. I laugh in the face of rail people arguing that simplifying fares
    cannot be done.

    Another Nick. Quite right. The UK’s best and most popular railway is nationalised. Surely this cannot be?

    Did you think the Britain Stronger in campaign was xenophobic?
    No.
    So David Cameron standing up in front of the cameras and saying unless you vote to remain hordes of brown skinned animals will invade Kent and set up a jungle there, is perfectly acceptable to you.
    This is not racism/xenophobia?
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 75,253
    Philip_Thompson said:

    Richard_Tyndall said:

    FrancisUrquhart said:

    Looks like another example of EU trying to something and making a total mess of it, but they won’t change course like VAT disaster,

    https://www.independent.co.uk/life-style/gadgets-and-tech/news/eu-article-11-13-latest-gdpr-link-tax-internet-juri-censorship-a8407566.html

    I have been going on about this for months. This site would be in big trouble for a start as it would be a breach of the rules for any of us to post links to news items on other websites.
    Would FrancisUrquhart having linked to what the EU has done on the Independent website be illegal?

    In which case how would people scrutinise their government if sharing news is illegal? Seems very dodgy.
    Juncker always was a prat on such things. Google the reason why he was removed as PM of Luxembourg if you want to see a really dodgy story.
  • AnazinaAnazina Posts: 3,487
    ralphmalph said:

    Anazina said:

    ralphmalph said:

    Anazina said:

    Cyclefree, yes you were equivocating. I asked you a simple question, whether you thought the Leave campaign was xenophobic, which you failed to answer. You intimated you had not registered the campaign, a claim which bears no scrutiny. You dressed this non-answer up in swathes of quasi-intellectual waffle.

    Elliot, you are a flake. Buy a decent map. Plot a better route. You’ll be amazed by the difference in air quality when you eschew the obvious highways.

    Josias, of course it can be done. Don’t be ridiculous. Adopt Pulpstar’s idea and simply charge by the mile as the crow flies if necessary. I laugh in the face of rail people arguing that simplifying fares
    cannot be done.

    Another Nick. Quite right. The UK’s best and most popular railway is nationalised. Surely this cannot be?

    Did you think the Britain Stronger in campaign was xenophobic?
    No.
    So David Cameron standing up in front of the cameras and saying unless you vote to remain hordes of brown skinned animals will invade Kent and set up a jungle there, is perfectly acceptable to you.
    This is not racism/xenophobia?
    Can you show me where and when Cameron said this?
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