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Several bookies have now got odds up who is going to succeed David Dimbleby as the host of the long running BBC series Question Time. Most of them showing a similar assessment to Ladbrokes which features in the panel above.

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Nemtynakht

First?

TheScreamingEagles

For me it should be Emma Barnett or Brian Blessed.

FrancisUrquhart

Donald Trump to end his family separation policy

Sitting in the White House cabinet room, Donald Trump announced he will sign an executive order to end family separation.

Trump said: “We’re looking to keep families together. Very important. We’re going to be signing an executive order. We are also going to count on Congress, obviously, but we are signing an executive order in a little while. We’re going to keep families together but we still have to maintain toughness or our country will be overrun by people, by crime, by all of the things that we don’t stand for and that we don’t want.

So I’m going to be signing an executive order in a little while before I go to Minnesota but, at the same time, I think you have to understand, we’re keeping families together but we have to keep our borders strong. We will be overrun with crime and with people that should not be in our country.”

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/live/2018/jun/20/tender-age-trump-children-separations-detention-shelters-latest-news-updates-live

TheScreamingEagles

Casino_Royale said:

She’s a bit older than me but I think I’m starting to fancy Caroline Flint regardless.

She looks really fun, and is smart and persuasive (sorry Tissue Price!)

I wonder if she should be Labour leader*. I would be very worried about her.

(*she won’t be.. because Brexit)

Nah.

When I worked in Leeds I regularly used the same train to King's X as Ms Flint, she used to get on at Doncaster.

For a woman of the people she never sat in pleb class, she was always in the same section as me.

FrancisUrquhart

Sepp Blatter has arrived at the WC as a guest of Putin...

Sunil_Prasannan

"Given that the only men presenters of the programme since it was first broadcast have been man..."

Not "Lady-men"?

Sunil_Prasannan

FPT:

JosiasJessop said:

Pulpstar said:

anothernick said:

Indeed. It is an excellent system. One of the best in the world. Streets ahead of the rest of the UKs rail and transport systems. This is very hard to understand since it is a nationalised industry and we are forever being told on here that nationalised industries are inherently inefficient and wasteful.

I think the whole tap in tap out contactless system used for TFL ought to be nationwide for every bus and train with standard fares for every journey.

AIUI it cannot be done, and it's getting increasingly hard to do as TfL's network expands. The problem is possible routes: for example, if you want to go from South Woodford to Mile End on the tube, there is only one practical route whilst tapping in and out of the tube between those zones. But there is one possible combination where they cannot tell which route you took between the zones as you don't have to tap out/in, and therefore charge the lowest of the alternative fares.

The larger the network, the more complex it gets to work out which route a passenger took, and therefore how much they should be charged for the journey.

It's worse on local busses, where there is no tap-out and therefore no way to know how long a passenger stays on.

(All AIUI)

In London, if you use two buses within one hour, it's £1.50 for both journeys.

South Woodford to Mile End is Central line, only 15 minutes journey time IIRC.

Morris_Dancer

Humbug. Not a Wark fan. The best people working for the BBC in this regard are probably Neil and Raworth. And they should have the election gig.

Edited extra bit: Mr. Eagles, I'd like to hear Brian Blessed doing F1 commentary. I've seen both him and Murray Walker do snooker (only a few minutes each) and it was fantastic.

AlastairMeeks

I haven't watched Question Time in decades. If I want to see people recite the same rehearsed arguments endlessly, pb fulfils all my needs on that front.

hamiltonace

Kirsty Wark would mark a major change. She is closest to old Scottish Labour and a Blairite. No friend of Tories or Brexit.

FrancisUrquhart

AlastairMeeks said:

I haven't watched Question Time in decades. If I want to see people recite the same rehearsed arguments endlessly, pb fulfils all my needs on that front.

You should stop re-reading your own posts.

TheScreamingEagles

Morris_Dancer said:

Humbug. Not a Wark fan. The best people working for the BBC in this regard are probably Neil and Raworth. And they should have the election gig.

Edited extra bit: Mr. Eagles, I'd like to hear Brian Blessed doing F1 commentary. I've seen both him and Murray Walker do snooker (only a few minutes each) and it was fantastic.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YP11L9jRW94

Morris_Dancer

Mr. Eagles, it's good, although I think Murray Walker's better.

I do miss his F1 commentary.

"There's nothing wrong with the car except that it's on fire."

OldKingCole

TheScreamingEagles said:

Casino_Royale said:

She’s a bit older than me but I think I’m starting to fancy Caroline Flint regardless.

She looks really fun, and is smart and persuasive (sorry Tissue Price!)

I wonder if she should be Labour leader*. I would be very worried about her.

(*she won’t be.. because Brexit)

Nah.

When I worked in Leeds I regularly used the same train to King's X as Ms Flint, she used to get on at Doncaster.

For a woman of the people she never sat in pleb class, she was always in the same section as me.

Working on her papers?

Nemtynakht

Nemtynakht said:

First?

I've been coming on here for at least ten years and that's my first first. Simple pleasures.

Roger

Kirsty Young. A new face to breathe life into a dying program 16/1

Powerful EU Superstate to dwarf UK

https://metro.co.uk/2018/06/20/trumps-america-first-policy-could-bring-about-a-powerful-eu-superstate-that-leaves-britain-out-in-the-cold-7645758/

Casino_Royale

I haven’t watched Question Time in yonks and, when I did, I got precisely zero value out of it.

The last time i flirted with it it seemed that various members of the audience were using it to do verbal tweets, either pushing attack lines or pretending they were on PMQs, with everyone else applauding moronically. The panel were no better, and more interested in getting a favourable 1-min clip on YouTube to play to their base than have a proper debate.

The one person I could see getting order over it would be Andrew Neil, but since he’s perceived (unfairly, in my view) to be too partisan, I very much doubt it.

OldKingCole

Uruguay have won!

Casino_Royale

TheScreamingEagles said:

Casino_Royale said:

She’s a bit older than me but I think I’m starting to fancy Caroline Flint regardless.

She looks really fun, and is smart and persuasive (sorry Tissue Price!)

I wonder if she should be Labour leader*. I would be very worried about her.

(*she won’t be.. because Brexit)

Nah.

When I worked in Leeds I regularly used the same train to King's X as Ms Flint, she used to get on at Doncaster.

For a woman of the people she never sat in pleb class, she was always in the same section as me.

That doesn’t put me off.

TheScreamingEagles

OldKingCole said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

Casino_Royale said:

She’s a bit older than me but I think I’m starting to fancy Caroline Flint regardless.

She looks really fun, and is smart and persuasive (sorry Tissue Price!)

I wonder if she should be Labour leader*. I would be very worried about her.

(*she won’t be.. because Brexit)

Nah.

When I worked in Leeds I regularly used the same train to King's X as Ms Flint, she used to get on at Doncaster.

For a woman of the people she never sat in pleb class, she was always in the same section as me.

Working on her papers?

On the phone mostly, which seemed odd as that part of the network was really poor for mobile signal.

TheScreamingEagles

https://twitter.com/bbclaurak/status/1009479283457306625

Morris_Dancer

Mr. Eagles, playing snake, perhaps.

Anyway, I must be off.

Richard_Nabavi

Interesting that the pound rose after the government victory. Clearly the markets had figured out that a defeat would have made No Deal more likely.

TheScreamingEagles

I gave up on Question Time years ago when it was a local episode.

The average member of the public asking questions included inter alia

1) The agent of a nearby (Tory) MP

2) A (Lib Dem) candidate for the local council

3) A former (Labour) local councillor

4) A Trade Unionist

The wider public wouldn't have been aware of that and got me thinking is that what happens on every QT?

dixiedean

Tired format. Get rid of it. What are the viewing figures out of interest?

hamiltonace

Pour que l'orage s'annonce.

Anyone else get the feeling that everyone is just going through the motions at the moment until the storm hits later in the year. I had previously thought that TM could pull off Brexit but there is only so much under performance possible. Events will start to overtake her and I cant see her lasting the year anymore.

The_Apocalypse

dixiedean said:

Tired format. Get rid of it. What are the viewing figures out of interest?

I used to watch QT a lot - now I only watch it every now and then. I’ve almost entirely stopped watching This Week.

dixiedean

Sunil_Prasannan said:

FPT:

JosiasJessop said:

Pulpstar said:

anothernick said:

Indeed. It is an excellent system. One of the best in the world. Streets ahead of the rest of the UKs rail and transport systems. This is very hard to understand since it is a nationalised industry and we are forever being told on here that nationalised industries are inherently inefficient and wasteful.

I think the whole tap in tap out contactless system used for TFL ought to be nationwide for every bus and train with standard fares for every journey.

AIUI it cannot be done, and it's getting increasingly hard to do as TfL's network expands. The problem is possible routes: for example, if you want to go from South Woodford to Mile End on the tube, there is only one practical route whilst tapping in and out of the tube between those zones. But there is one possible combination where they cannot tell which route you took between the zones as you don't have to tap out/in, and therefore charge the lowest of the alternative fares.

The larger the network, the more complex it gets to work out which route a passenger took, and therefore how much they should be charged for the journey.

It's worse on local busses, where there is no tap-out and therefore no way to know how long a passenger stays on.

(All AIUI)

In London, if you use two buses within one hour, it's £1.50 for both journeys.

South Woodford to Mile End is Central line, only 15 minutes journey time IIRC.

£1.50? Jesus. Here it is £4.50 for the 4 mile return trip to the nearest town. That is 2 miles each way btw.

RoyalBlue

TheScreamingEagles said:

https://twitter.com/bbclaurak/status/1009479283457306625

I’m not sure why a Europhile civil servant should be quoted as an authority on the Tory Party.

Regarding the amendment that the Government put forward, assuming Bercow says the motion can be amended, is it true to say that the Government can ignore whatever the motion says?

If that’s the case, I think Brexiteers can relax a little. The only way Remainer Tory MPs will be able to stop a hard Brexit will be to no-confidence their own government, and probably put Corbyn into Downing Street.

Did I get anything wrong? Have been busy this afternoon so haven’t been able to follow the detail.

logical_song

Matthew Wright or Eddie Mair would be good.

dixiedean

The_Apocalypse said:

dixiedean said:

Tired format. Get rid of it. What are the viewing figures out of interest?

I used to watch QT a lot - now I only watch it every now and then. I’ve almost entirely stopped watching This Week.

Mmm. If PBers aren't watching it in any great numbers, the question of who exactly does arises.

BigRich

Richard_Nabavi said:

Interesting that the pound rose after the government victory. Clearly the markets had figured out that a defeat would have made No Deal more likely.

Or that the market think that 'No Deal' is the better possible outcome?

Casino_Royale

TheScreamingEagles said:

I gave up on Question Time years ago when it was a local episode.

The average member of the public asking questions included inter alia

1) The agent of a nearby (Tory) MP

2) A (Lib Dem) candidate for the local council

3) A former (Labour) local councillor

4) A Trade Unionist

The wider public wouldn't have been aware of that and got me thinking is that what happens on every QT?

It is. That was certainly the case in Bristol when I was there.

The BBC want politically engaged people who will ask questions, and fill seats.

williamglenn

RoyalBlue said:

If that’s the case, I think Brexiteers can relax a little. The only way Remainer Tory MPs will be able to stop a hard Brexit will be to no-confidence their own government, and probably put Corbyn into Downing Street.

Did I get anything wrong? Have been busy this afternoon so haven’t been able to follow the detail.

There's no way Corbyn can command a majority in the current parliament. If the government is no-confidenced in a crisis situation, it could only lead to a government of national unity which would ask to pause the negotiations and probably hold a second referendum.

DecrepitJohnL

FrancisUrquhart said:

Donald Trump to end his family separation policy

Sitting in the White House cabinet room, Donald Trump announced he will sign an executive order to end family separation.

Trump said: “We’re looking to keep families together. Very important. We’re going to be signing an executive order. We are also going to count on Congress, obviously, but we are signing an executive order in a little while. We’re going to keep families together but we still have to maintain toughness or our country will be overrun by people, by crime, by all of the things that we don’t stand for and that we don’t want.

So I’m going to be signing an executive order in a little while before I go to Minnesota but, at the same time, I think you have to understand, we’re keeping families together but we have to keep our borders strong. We will be overrun with crime and with people that should not be in our country.”

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/live/2018/jun/20/tender-age-trump-children-separations-detention-shelters-latest-news-updates-live

Always likely after Melania condemned it.

Barnesian

williamglenn said:

RoyalBlue said:

If that’s the case, I think Brexiteers can relax a little. The only way Remainer Tory MPs will be able to stop a hard Brexit will be to no-confidence their own government, and probably put Corbyn into Downing Street.

Did I get anything wrong? Have been busy this afternoon so haven’t been able to follow the detail.

There's no way Corbyn can command a majority in the current parliament. If the government is no-confidenced in a crisis situation, it could only lead to a government of national unity which would ask to pause the negotiations and probably hold a second referendum.

Step forward Cable.

DecrepitJohnL

Question Time wanders round the country so the presenter will need to be happy to travel late at night (even if it is in the back of a limo on expenses).

Norm

I am happy to go with Kirsty Wark despite her left of centre leanings. Apart from her vast experience of current affairs on Newsnight she has great knowledge of the Arts, can certainly cook (based on that reality cookery prog she was in) and has a sense of humour. Generally she seems a well-rounded individual. Strangely I don't think the politics of the presenter are that important. Of greater significance are the make-up of the guests , the audience and which questions are selected.

kle4

dixiedean said:

The_Apocalypse said:

dixiedean said:

Tired format. Get rid of it. What are the viewing figures out of interest?

I used to watch QT a lot - now I only watch it every now and then. I’ve almost entirely stopped watching This Week.

Mmm. If PBers aren't watching it in any great numbers, the question of who exactly does arises.

A fair point, perhaps, although my theory is that we think we know better about political anyway, and have had our fill of political discourse, after a fashion, while QT's audience will be people interested enough in politics to watch QT, but not not interested to argue about it themselves.

FrancisUrquhart

Never watch QT these days, I don't want to watch a rapper, a Blue Peter presenter and z-celeb reality show star give their opinions.

chloe

O/T they were handing out people’s vote leaflets for a march this Saturday. I voted remain in the referendum and would probably do so again although I don’t really agree that there should be a second referendum/people’s vote.

What makes me really cross though is that we are being let down by our politicians who should be able to sit down, agree what they want and put together a sensible proposal to the EU and negotiate on our behalf.

Stark_Dawning

Awful programme. The invited politicians are embarrassing enough, but the plebs in the audience who think they have something interesting to contribute are just painful. (Farage's omnipresence demonstrates it's serious bread-and-circus stuff.)

FrancisUrquhart

Stark_Dawning said:

Awful programme. The invited politicians are embarrassing enough, but the plebs in the audience who think they have something interesting to contribute are just painful. (Farage's omnipresence demonstrates it's serious bread-and-circus stuff.)

https://youtu.be/p3tUqRBiMVo

kle4

chloe said:

O/T they were handing out people’s vote leaflets for a march this Saturday. I voted remain in the referendum and would probably do so again although I don’t really agree that there should be a second referendum/people’s vote.

What makes me really cross though is that we are being let down by our politicians who should be able to sit down, agree what they want and put together a sensible proposal to the EU and negotiate on our behalf.

It is disheartening we haven't really got to the 'what do we want to ask for' side of things yet. That's one thing we really cannot blame on the EU in any way.

kle4

FrancisUrquhart said:

Stark_Dawning said:

Awful programme. The invited politicians are embarrassing enough, but the plebs in the audience who think they have something interesting to contribute are just painful. (Farage's omnipresence demonstrates it's serious bread-and-circus stuff.)

https://youtu.be/p3tUqRBiMVo

Love that sketch.

kle4

I'm actually surprised that I recognise most of the names on the list above.

JosiasJessop

Sunil_Prasannan said:

FPT:

JosiasJessop said:

Pulpstar said:

anothernick said:

Indeed. It is an excellent system. One of the best in the world. Streets ahead of the rest of the UKs rail and transport systems. This is very hard to understand since it is a nationalised industry and we are forever being told on here that nationalised industries are inherently inefficient and wasteful.

I think the whole tap in tap out contactless system used for TFL ought to be nationwide for every bus and train with standard fares for every journey.

AIUI it cannot be done, and it's getting increasingly hard to do as TfL's network expands. The problem is possible routes: for example, if you want to go from South Woodford to Mile End on the tube, there is only one practical route whilst tapping in and out of the tube between those zones. But there is one possible combination where they cannot tell which route you took between the zones as you don't have to tap out/in, and therefore charge the lowest of the alternative fares.

The larger the network, the more complex it gets to work out which route a passenger took, and therefore how much they should be charged for the journey.

It's worse on local busses, where there is no tap-out and therefore no way to know how long a passenger stays on.

(All AIUI)

In London, if you use two buses within one hour, it's £1.50 for both journeys.

South Woodford to Mile End is Central line, only 15 minutes journey time IIRC.

I;m not quite sure what point you're trying to make ...

MikeL

EU Withdrawal Bill goes back to the Lords at 7.30pm tonight - when most Peers will have gone home (LOL).

Pulpstar

Stephen Lloyd of the LDS abstained on the vote.

Norm

Roger said:

Kirsty Young. A new face to breathe life into a dying program 16/1

Powerful EU Superstate to dwarf UK

https://metro.co.uk/2018/06/20/trumps-america-first-policy-could-bring-about-a-powerful-eu-superstate-that-leaves-britain-out-in-the-cold-7645758/

Any talk of an impending EU superstate even in response to Trump's excesses will only reinforce in Leavers' minds that their choice was the right one.

anothernick

hamiltonace said:

Pour que l'orage s'annonce.

Anyone else get the feeling that everyone is just going through the motions at the moment until the storm hits later in the year. I had previously thought that TM could pull off Brexit but there is only so much under performance possible. Events will start to overtake her and I cant see her lasting the year anymore.

Agreed. The chances of a successful Brexit deal were never good but must now be close to non existent. The UK will shortly face a choice between crashing out or accepting the EU's terms, which will presumably be SM/CU and continued substantial budget contributions. May's government will be swept away in the maelstrom that such a choice will cause.

Norm

Pulpstar said:

Stephen Lloyd of the LDS abstained on the vote.

He promised local voters he will retain an independent stance on the EU from the rest of his party. That promise may have been enough to squeeze out the local Tory at Eastbourne in GE 2017 so I guess he couldn't renege on his position in such a high profile vote.

Cyclefree

Not Kirsty Wark.

Mind you, I never watch QT so don’t really care. But I can’t stand her on Newsnight.

RoyalBlue

Pulpstar said:

Stephen Lloyd of the LDS abstained on the vote.

I can only read LDS as Latter Day Saints!

I don’t remember the Mormons having bishops in the HoL...

kle4

hamiltonace said:

Pour que l'orage s'annonce.

Anyone else get the feeling that everyone is just going through the motions at the moment until the storm hits later in the year. I had previously thought that TM could pull off Brexit but there is only so much under performance possible. Events will start to overtake her and I cant see her lasting the year anymore.

I think you're right.

Jonathan

Andrew Neil or James O Brien for me.

Cyclefree

AlastairMeeks said:

I haven't watched Question Time in decades. If I want to see people recite the same rehearsed arguments endlessly, pb fulfils all my needs on that front.

Saucer of milk for you.

The_Apocalypse

https://twitter.com/nickriccardi/status/1009475925962977280?s=21

Casino_Royale

FrancisUrquhart said:

Stark_Dawning said:

Awful programme. The invited politicians are embarrassing enough, but the plebs in the audience who think they have something interesting to contribute are just painful. (Farage's omnipresence demonstrates it's serious bread-and-circus stuff.)

https://youtu.be/p3tUqRBiMVo

That's a very good summary.

Casino_Royale

Roger said:

Kirsty Young. A new face to breathe life into a dying program 16/1

Powerful EU Superstate to dwarf UK

https://metro.co.uk/2018/06/20/trumps-america-first-policy-could-bring-about-a-powerful-eu-superstate-that-leaves-britain-out-in-the-cold-7645758/

I'd be relaxed about that, but that's a poor article on a number of levels.

ydoethur

If anyone wants to see total carnage on a scale even Alex Hales can only dream of, look at the scorecard from Taunton.

England are about to set South Africa over 240 in a hit and giggle WT20I. Katherine Brunt has 43 off the small matter of 16 balls. Tammy Beaumont was almost as brutal and was there longer.

Edit - I was wrong about the target. It wasn't 'over 240' except in the loosest sense of the word. South Africa are chasing 251.

rural_voter

Norm said:

Roger said:

Kirsty Young. A new face to breathe life into a dying program 16/1

Powerful EU Superstate to dwarf UK

https://metro.co.uk/2018/06/20/trumps-america-first-policy-could-bring-about-a-powerful-eu-superstate-that-leaves-britain-out-in-the-cold-7645758/

Any talk of an impending EU superstate even in response to Trump's excesses will only reinforce in Leavers' minds that their choice was the right one.

There seems no chance of a superstate. What many Europhiles favour is an eventual federation.

There is a difference.

The USA, Canada, Australia, Switzerland and some others are federations.
France is a superstate.

FrancisUrquhart

Looks like another example of EU trying to something and making a total mess of it, but they won’t change course like VAT disaster,

https://www.independent.co.uk/life-style/gadgets-and-tech/news/eu-article-11-13-latest-gdpr-link-tax-internet-juri-censorship-a8407566.html

CD13

I don't watch QT anymore. The Boston edition which showed a Remain audience made me doubt my sanity for a while. Fortunately, I do speak to normal inhabitants after all.

ydoethur

Cyclefree said:

Not Kirsty Wark.

Mind you, I never watch QT so don’t really care. But I can’t stand her on Newsnight.

Kirsty Young would be good if she's available.

Or if they want to show how serious and clued up it is, Angus Deayton might be a good choice.

Casino_Royale

rural_voter said:

Norm said:

Roger said:

Kirsty Young. A new face to breathe life into a dying program 16/1

Powerful EU Superstate to dwarf UK

https://metro.co.uk/2018/06/20/trumps-america-first-policy-could-bring-about-a-powerful-eu-superstate-that-leaves-britain-out-in-the-cold-7645758/

Any talk of an impending EU superstate even in response to Trump's excesses will only reinforce in Leavers' minds that their choice was the right one.

There seems no chance of a superstate. What many Europhiles favour is an eventual federation.

There is a difference.

The USA, Canada, Australia, Switzerland and some others are federations.
France is a superstate.

That really is splitting hairs though.

All four of the examples you cite are single countries, which is precisely the point.

Pulpstar

Vamos Persia

ydoethur

rural_voter said:

Norm said:

Roger said:

Kirsty Young. A new face to breathe life into a dying program 16/1

Powerful EU Superstate to dwarf UK

https://metro.co.uk/2018/06/20/trumps-america-first-policy-could-bring-about-a-powerful-eu-superstate-that-leaves-britain-out-in-the-cold-7645758/

Any talk of an impending EU superstate even in response to Trump's excesses will only reinforce in Leavers' minds that their choice was the right one.

There seems no chance of a superstate. What many Europhiles favour is an eventual federation.

There is a difference.

The USA, Canada, Australia, Switzerland and some others are federations.
France is a superstate.

I'm intrigued. How would you define the two terms?

Richard_Tyndall

FrancisUrquhart said:

Looks like another example of EU trying to something and making a total mess of it, but they won’t change course like VAT disaster,

https://www.independent.co.uk/life-style/gadgets-and-tech/news/eu-article-11-13-latest-gdpr-link-tax-internet-juri-censorship-a8407566.html

I have been going on about this for months. This site would be in big trouble for a start as it would be a breach of the rules for any of us to post links to news items on other websites.

OldKingCole

rural_voter said:

Norm said:

Roger said:

Kirsty Young. A new face to breathe life into a dying program 16/1

Powerful EU Superstate to dwarf UK

https://metro.co.uk/2018/06/20/trumps-america-first-policy-could-bring-about-a-powerful-eu-superstate-that-leaves-britain-out-in-the-cold-7645758/

Any talk of an impending EU superstate even in response to Trump's excesses will only reinforce in Leavers' minds that their choice was the right one.

There seems no chance of a superstate. What many Europhiles favour is an eventual federation.

There is a difference.

The USA, Canada, Australia, Switzerland and some others are federations.
France is a superstate.

As is the UK. Although it might just be breaking up.

williamglenn

Casino_Royale said:

rural_voter said:

Norm said:

Roger said:

Kirsty Young. A new face to breathe life into a dying program 16/1

Powerful EU Superstate to dwarf UK

https://metro.co.uk/2018/06/20/trumps-america-first-policy-could-bring-about-a-powerful-eu-superstate-that-leaves-britain-out-in-the-cold-7645758/

Any talk of an impending EU superstate even in response to Trump's excesses will only reinforce in Leavers' minds that their choice was the right one.

There seems no chance of a superstate. What many Europhiles favour is an eventual federation.

There is a difference.

The USA, Canada, Australia, Switzerland and some others are federations.
France is a superstate.

That really is splitting hairs though.

All four of the examples you cite are single countries, which is precisely the point.

How about the UK? It contains more than one country, as the World Cup reminds us.

Richard_Tyndall

Jonathan said:

Andrew Neil or James O Brien for me.

I think both would be poor. The Chairman of Question Time needs to be the facilitator who allows the guests to answer the questions rather than indulging in their own polemics which both Neil and O'Brien are prone to do.

OldKingCole

ydoethur said:

If anyone wants to see total carnage on a scale even Alex Hales can only dream of, look at the scorecard from Taunton.

England are about to set South Africa over 240 in a hit and giggle WT20I. Katherine Brunt has 43 off the small matter of 16 balls. Tammy Beaumont was almost as brutal and was there longer.

Edit - I was wrong about the target. It wasn't 'over 240' except in the loosest sense of the word. South Africa are chasing 251.

And SA are 2-1 in the second over!

Richard_Tyndall

OT.

If anyone gets the chance to go and see David Byrne in concert do so - particularly if you are a fan of the old Talking Heads stuff. It is a quite remarkable performance. NME described it as "what may just be the best live show of all time".

We were lucky enough to be right down at the front last night and it was just mesmerising.

DavidL

ydoethur said:

If anyone wants to see total carnage on a scale even Alex Hales can only dream of, look at the scorecard from Taunton.

England are about to set South Africa over 240 in a hit and giggle WT20I. Katherine Brunt has 43 off the small matter of 16 balls. Tammy Beaumont was almost as brutal and was there longer.

Edit - I was wrong about the target. It wasn't 'over 240' except in the loosest sense of the word. South Africa are chasing 251.

Batting is unbelievable. Catching equally so but not in a good way.

CarlottaVance

https://twitter.com/JohnJCrace/status/1009501004897882112?s=20

rural_voter

williamglenn said:

Casino_Royale said:

rural_voter said:

Norm said:

Roger said:

Kirsty Young. A new face to breathe life into a dying program 16/1

Powerful EU Superstate to dwarf UK

https://metro.co.uk/2018/06/20/trumps-america-first-policy-could-bring-about-a-powerful-eu-superstate-that-leaves-britain-out-in-the-cold-7645758/

Any talk of an impending EU superstate even in response to Trump's excesses will only reinforce in Leavers' minds that their choice was the right one.

There seems no chance of a superstate. What many Europhiles favour is an eventual federation.

There is a difference.

The USA, Canada, Australia, Switzerland and some others are federations.
France is a superstate.

That really is splitting hairs though.

All four of the examples you cite are single countries, which is precisely the point.

How about the UK? It contains more than one country, as the World Cup reminds us.

I'm not sure if the UK is a true federation. But under US 'states' rights' my understanding is that unless sovereignty on a matter was very specifically passed to the federal government a state isn't prevented from passing its own legislation. California has state air pollution regulations which differ from other states. In some ways, that's slightly more decentralised than the EU.

I fail to see a problem if a federal country has elected levels of government, elaborate checks and balances, written constitution, etc. The EU parliament is elected by PR. In that respect it's superior to ours which isn't.

rcs1000

ydoethur said:

rural_voter said:

Norm said:

Roger said:

Kirsty Young. A new face to breathe life into a dying program 16/1

Powerful EU Superstate to dwarf UK

https://metro.co.uk/2018/06/20/trumps-america-first-policy-could-bring-about-a-powerful-eu-superstate-that-leaves-britain-out-in-the-cold-7645758/

Any talk of an impending EU superstate even in response to Trump's excesses will only reinforce in Leavers' minds that their choice was the right one.

There seems no chance of a superstate. What many Europhiles favour is an eventual federation.

There is a difference.

The USA, Canada, Australia, Switzerland and some others are federations.
France is a superstate.

I'm intrigued. How would you define the two terms?

Federations have bad food. Superstates have good food.

williamglenn

rural_voter said:

williamglenn said:

Casino_Royale said:

rural_voter said:

Norm said:

Roger said:

Kirsty Young. A new face to breathe life into a dying program 16/1

Powerful EU Superstate to dwarf UK

https://metro.co.uk/2018/06/20/trumps-america-first-policy-could-bring-about-a-powerful-eu-superstate-that-leaves-britain-out-in-the-cold-7645758/

Any talk of an impending EU superstate even in response to Trump's excesses will only reinforce in Leavers' minds that their choice was the right one.

There seems no chance of a superstate. What many Europhiles favour is an eventual federation.

There is a difference.

The USA, Canada, Australia, Switzerland and some others are federations.
France is a superstate.

That really is splitting hairs though.

All four of the examples you cite are single countries, which is precisely the point.

How about the UK? It contains more than one country, as the World Cup reminds us.

I'm not sure if the UK is a true federation. But under US 'states' rights' my understanding is that unless sovereignty on a matter was very specifically passed to the federal government a state isn't prevented from passing its own legislation. California has state air pollution regulations which differ from other states. In some ways, that's slightly more decentralised than the EU.

I was thinking of the UK as an example of a superstate, where any potential devolution is totally at the whim of the central authority.

tlg86

I doubt he'll get it, but I thought Nick Robinson did a good job with the leaders Q&A thing at last year's election.

CarlottaVance

https://twitter.com/peston/status/1009506895957299200?s=21

HYUFD

williamglenn said:

rural_voter said:

williamglenn said:

Casino_Royale said:

rural_voter said:

Norm said:

Roger said:

Kirsty Young. A new face to breathe life into a dying program 16/1

Powerful EU Superstate to dwarf UK

https://metro.co.uk/2018/06/20/trumps-america-first-policy-could-bring-about-a-powerful-eu-superstate-that-leaves-britain-out-in-the-cold-7645758/

Any talk of an impending EU superstate even in response to Trump's excesses will only reinforce in Leavers' minds that their choice was the right one.

There seems no chance of a superstate. What many Europhiles favour is an eventual federation.

There is a difference.

The USA, Canada, Australia, Switzerland and some others are federations.
France is a superstate.

That really is splitting hairs though.

All four of the examples you cite are single countries, which is precisely the point.

How about the UK? It contains more than one country, as the World Cup reminds us.

I'm not sure if the UK is a true federation. But under US 'states' rights' my understanding is that unless sovereignty on a matter was very specifically passed to the federal government a state isn't prevented from passing its own legislation. California has state air pollution regulations which differ from other states. In some ways, that's slightly more decentralised than the EU.

I was thinking of the UK as an example of a superstate, where any potential devolution is totally at the whim of the central authority.

As technically is independence given the absolute sovereignty of Westminster, though in reality more of the former has and will be used to avoid the latter. A pity the EU never thought the same way

Charles

RoyalBlue said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

https://twitter.com/bbclaurak/status/1009479283457306625

I’m not sure why a Europhile civil servant should be quoted as an authority on the Tory Party.

Regarding the amendment that the Government put forward, assuming Bercow says the motion can be amended, is it true to say that the Government can ignore whatever the motion says?

If that’s the case, I think Brexiteers can relax a little. The only way Remainer Tory MPs will be able to stop a hard Brexit will be to no-confidence their own government, and probably put Corbyn into Downing Street.

Did I get anything wrong? Have been busy this afternoon so haven’t been able to follow the detail.

Nick chairs our main family company... let's say he is very good at drawing a consensus out of conflicting viewpoints...

JPJ2

Kirsty Wark is rabidly unionist (even the BBC were obliged to reprimand her for an inappropriate overly robust questioning of Salmond), she is Scottish, and would therefore go a little way to shoring up the justification for declaring QT as managed and chargeable to Scotland in spite of it recently having gone 12 weeks and therefore 60 panellists without a single representative from the third party in Westminster.

A good bet, I would say :-)

Cyclefree

Richard_Tyndall said:

FrancisUrquhart said:

Looks like another example of EU trying to something and making a total mess of it, but they won’t change course like VAT disaster,

https://www.independent.co.uk/life-style/gadgets-and-tech/news/eu-article-11-13-latest-gdpr-link-tax-internet-juri-censorship-a8407566.html

I have been going on about this for months. This site would be in big trouble for a start as it would be a breach of the rules for any of us to post links to news items on other websites.

It would destroy pretty much any site or blog. Or something like LinkedIn or any business site with links to relevant third party websites. And what about if you wanted to send a link to someone privately? Or when you have paid to subscribe to a newspaper?

WhisperingOracle

The Customs Union will be the next big clash. Not sure who will lead the remain camp, unless Grieve manages to somehow rebuild his position by then.

HYUFD

WhisperingOracle said:

The Customs Union will be the next big clash. Not sure who will lead the remain camp, unless Grieve manages to somehow rebuild his position by then.

The Commons voted against staying in the Customs Union last week

ydoethur

rural_voter said:

williamglenn said:

Casino_Royale said:

rural_voter said:

Norm said:

Roger said:

Kirsty Young. A new face to breathe life into a dying program 16/1

Powerful EU Superstate to dwarf UK

https://metro.co.uk/2018/06/20/trumps-america-first-policy-could-bring-about-a-powerful-eu-superstate-that-leaves-britain-out-in-the-cold-7645758/

Any talk of an impending EU superstate even in response to Trump's excesses will only reinforce in Leavers' minds that their choice was the right one.

There seems no chance of a superstate. What many Europhiles favour is an eventual federation.

There is a difference.

The USA, Canada, Australia, Switzerland and some others are federations.
France is a superstate.

That really is splitting hairs though.

All four of the examples you cite are single countries, which is precisely the point.

How about the UK? It contains more than one country, as the World Cup reminds us.

I'm not sure if the UK is a true federation. But under US 'states' rights' my understanding is that unless sovereignty on a matter was very specifically passed to the federal government a state isn't prevented from passing its own legislation. California has state air pollution regulations which differ from other states. In some ways, that's slightly more decentralised than the EU.

I fail to see a problem if a federal country has elected levels of government, elaborate checks and balances, written constitution, etc. The EU parliament is elected by PR. In that respect it's superior to ours which isn't.

Under the Constitution, anything not specifically Federal was a State matter.

WhisperingOracle

HYUFD said:

WhisperingOracle said:

The Customs Union will be the next big clash. Not sure who will lead the remain camp, unless Grieve manages to somehow rebuild his position by then.

The Commons voted against staying in the Customs Union last week

Cross party amendments on membership coming up.

ydoethur

I have looked more closely at Taunton. I am feeling very sorry for South Africa women.

To concede the highest total ever in the history of T20 cricket may be considered a misfortune. To have conceded two such records, on the same afternoon, in consecutive matches looks like carelessness.

Anazina

Cyclefree, yes you were equivocating. I asked you a simple question, whether you thought the Leave campaign was xenophobic, which you failed to answer. You intimated you had not registered the campaign, a claim which bears no scrutiny. You dressed this non-answer up in swathes of quasi-intellectual waffle.

Elliot, you are a flake. Buy a decent map. Plot a better route. You’ll be amazed by the difference in air quality when you eschew the obvious highways.

Josias, of course it can be done. Don’t be ridiculous. Adopt Pulpstar’s idea and simply charge by the mile as the crow flies if necessary. I laugh in the face of rail people arguing that simplifying fares
cannot be done.

Another Nick. Quite right. The UK’s best and most popular railway is nationalised. Surely this cannot be?

ydoethur

Anazina said:

Another Nick. Quite right. The UK’s best and most popular railway is nationalised. Surely this cannot be?

I thought the Ffestiniog was owned by a charitable trust?

ralphmalph

Anazina said:

Cyclefree, yes you were equivocating. I asked you a simple question, whether you thought the Leave campaign was xenophobic, which you failed to answer. You intimated you had not registered the campaign, a claim which bears no scrutiny. You dressed this non-answer up in swathes of quasi-intellectual waffle.

Elliot, you are a flake. Buy a decent map. Plot a better route. You’ll be amazed by the difference in air quality when you eschew the obvious highways.

Josias, of course it can be done. Don’t be ridiculous. Adopt Pulpstar’s idea and simply charge by the mile as the crow flies if necessary. I laugh in the face of rail people arguing that simplifying fares
cannot be done.

Another Nick. Quite right. The UK’s best and most popular railway is nationalised. Surely this cannot be?

Did you think the Britain Stronger in campaign was xenophobic?

Anazina

ralphmalph said:

Anazina said:

Cyclefree, yes you were equivocating. I asked you a simple question, whether you thought the Leave campaign was xenophobic, which you failed to answer. You intimated you had not registered the campaign, a claim which bears no scrutiny. You dressed this non-answer up in swathes of quasi-intellectual waffle.

Elliot, you are a flake. Buy a decent map. Plot a better route. You’ll be amazed by the difference in air quality when you eschew the obvious highways.

Josias, of course it can be done. Don’t be ridiculous. Adopt Pulpstar’s idea and simply charge by the mile as the crow flies if necessary. I laugh in the face of rail people arguing that simplifying fares
cannot be done.

Another Nick. Quite right. The UK’s best and most popular railway is nationalised. Surely this cannot be?

Did you think the Britain Stronger in campaign was xenophobic?

No.

OldKingCole

Half an hour to go, Spain 1-0 up.

ydoethur

In the cricket, it is fair to say that Messalina's record for the most epic royal screwing of the greatest number of people in he shortest space of time has just been broken at Taunton.

Philip_Thompson

Richard_Tyndall said:

FrancisUrquhart said:

Looks like another example of EU trying to something and making a total mess of it, but they won’t change course like VAT disaster,

https://www.independent.co.uk/life-style/gadgets-and-tech/news/eu-article-11-13-latest-gdpr-link-tax-internet-juri-censorship-a8407566.html

I have been going on about this for months. This site would be in big trouble for a start as it would be a breach of the rules for any of us to post links to news items on other websites.

Would FrancisUrquhart having linked to what the EU has done on the Independent website be illegal?

In which case how would people scrutinise their government if sharing news is illegal? Seems very dodgy.

ralphmalph

Anazina said:

ralphmalph said:

Anazina said:

Cyclefree, yes you were equivocating. I asked you a simple question, whether you thought the Leave campaign was xenophobic, which you failed to answer. You intimated you had not registered the campaign, a claim which bears no scrutiny. You dressed this non-answer up in swathes of quasi-intellectual waffle.

Elliot, you are a flake. Buy a decent map. Plot a better route. You’ll be amazed by the difference in air quality when you eschew the obvious highways.

Josias, of course it can be done. Don’t be ridiculous. Adopt Pulpstar’s idea and simply charge by the mile as the crow flies if necessary. I laugh in the face of rail people arguing that simplifying fares
cannot be done.

Another Nick. Quite right. The UK’s best and most popular railway is nationalised. Surely this cannot be?

Did you think the Britain Stronger in campaign was xenophobic?

No.

So David Cameron standing up in front of the cameras and saying unless you vote to remain hordes of brown skinned animals will invade Kent and set up a jungle there, is perfectly acceptable to you.
This is not racism/xenophobia?

ydoethur

Philip_Thompson said:

Richard_Tyndall said:

FrancisUrquhart said:

Looks like another example of EU trying to something and making a total mess of it, but they won’t change course like VAT disaster,

https://www.independent.co.uk/life-style/gadgets-and-tech/news/eu-article-11-13-latest-gdpr-link-tax-internet-juri-censorship-a8407566.html

I have been going on about this for months. This site would be in big trouble for a start as it would be a breach of the rules for any of us to post links to news items on other websites.

Would FrancisUrquhart having linked to what the EU has done on the Independent website be illegal?

In which case how would people scrutinise their government if sharing news is illegal? Seems very dodgy.

Juncker always was a prat on such things. Google the reason why he was removed as PM of Luxembourg if you want to see a really dodgy story.

Anazina

ralphmalph said:

Anazina said:

ralphmalph said:

Anazina said:

Cyclefree, yes you were equivocating. I asked you a simple question, whether you thought the Leave campaign was xenophobic, which you failed to answer. You intimated you had not registered the campaign, a claim which bears no scrutiny. You dressed this non-answer up in swathes of quasi-intellectual waffle.

Elliot, you are a flake. Buy a decent map. Plot a better route. You’ll be amazed by the difference in air quality when you eschew the obvious highways.

Josias, of course it can be done. Don’t be ridiculous. Adopt Pulpstar’s idea and simply charge by the mile as the crow flies if necessary. I laugh in the face of rail people arguing that simplifying fares
cannot be done.

Another Nick. Quite right. The UK’s best and most popular railway is nationalised. Surely this cannot be?

Did you think the Britain Stronger in campaign was xenophobic?

No.

So David Cameron standing up in front of the cameras and saying unless you vote to remain hordes of brown skinned animals will invade Kent and set up a jungle there, is perfectly acceptable to you.
This is not racism/xenophobia?

Can you show me where and when Cameron said this?