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Don't be daft, this is real drama. It's also democracy in action. Important not to disregard it.Anazina said:The pseudo dramas over these parliamentary votes is utterly tiresome. The government will 'win', there is no doubt.
I actually agree with @Mortimer on this – the chance of a successful rebellion is always over ramped by political nerds and commentators who have nothing better to do. Instead of tweeting about chief whips' thumbs, perhaps Laura K would care to put a number on her prediction?
Lots of heat, little light – and never any real drama.0 -
Quite. I get the idea on ingrained prejudices and,barriers which may not be obvious but still need addressing, but there seems a trend toward hyper awareness and sensitivity on race and other identifiers, making us focus on them more, not less, as time goes on.Cyclefree said:
Indeed, we risk becoming as a society quite as obsessed with minute gradations of skin colour and other irrelevant and unchangeable characteristics as some historically evil and unpleasant regimes. It is not an improvement.Morris_Dancer said:Miss Cyclefree, for some, 'diversity' trumps competence. There's been some furore over comments Shriver made regarding Penguin's drive for diversity, including Shriver being axed from a judging panel.
https://twitter.com/FraserNelson/status/1008363778474496005
On a more minor note, last year I was attacked somewhat on Twitter for my apparently odious claim that books should be judged on quality, not the demographics of the author (but I would say that, being an evil white man...).0 -
The trampling on parliamentary procedures entails the rebels arguing parliament should usurp executive powers from the executive and the Lords overruling the Commons on a manifesto commitment. These are people more loyal to the EU than the British constitution.tpfkar said:Looking at the way the Government are playing silly buggers with the shared amendment, refusing to pair, and that written minsterial statement, I really hope they lose by exactly 1 vote.
That way, it's all blamed on them ducking the vote from the previous week, when the Lewisham East MP wasn't there. They've trampled so much on parliamentary procedures and their own promises, there deserves to be some real comeback.
No surprise when some of them are part of the French republican peerage.0 -
Nope. Straightforward win for the government, thanks to so-called Labour MPs propping up the government. The Labour Leavers are a rum bunch.Jonathan said:
Don't be daft, this is real drama. It's also democracy in action. Important not to disregard it.Anazina said:The pseudo dramas over these parliamentary votes is utterly tiresome. The government will 'win', there is no doubt.
I actually agree with @Mortimer on this – the chance of a successful rebellion is always over ramped by political nerds and commentators who have nothing better to do. Instead of tweeting about chief whips' thumbs, perhaps Laura K would care to put a number on her prediction?
Lots of heat, little light – and never any real drama.0 -
Don't think so.tlg86 said:
I see. Has that idiot from Sheffield Hallam been voting recently?TheScreamingEagles said:
It is just like having a member of Sinn Fein representing Sheffield Hallam.0 -
It appears so:tlg86 said:
I see. Has that idiot from Sheffield Hallam been voting recently?TheScreamingEagles said:
http://www.publicwhip.org.uk/mp.php?mpn=Jared_O'Mara&mpc=Sheffield,_Hallam&house=commons&display=everyvote#divisions0 -
I think you've undermined your first sentence with the last two. The Lords might be overreaching, and Grieve was disingenuous about the effect of his amendment, and the Gov have been up to tricks. All are using parliamentary shenanigans. There's no need to bring up loyalty or heritageElliot said:
The trampling on parliamentary procedures entails the rebels arguing parliament should usurp executive powers from the executive and the Lords overruling the Commons on a manifesto commitment. These are people more loyal to the EU than the British constitution.tpfkar said:Looking at the way the Government are playing silly buggers with the shared amendment, refusing to pair, and that written minsterial statement, I really hope they lose by exactly 1 vote.
That way, it's all blamed on them ducking the vote from the previous week, when the Lewisham East MP wasn't there. They've trampled so much on parliamentary procedures and their own promises, there deserves to be some real comeback.
No surprise when some of them are part of the French republican peerage.0 -
This is how things work here. Change comes not from speeches and soundbites, but from lots of messy compromises, little steps and weird bedfellows.Anazina said:
Nope. Straightforward win for the government, thanks to so-called Labour MPs propping up the government. The Labour Leavers are a rum bunch.Jonathan said:
Don't be daft, this is real drama. It's also democracy in action. Important not to disregard it.Anazina said:The pseudo dramas over these parliamentary votes is utterly tiresome. The government will 'win', there is no doubt.
I actually agree with @Mortimer on this – the chance of a successful rebellion is always over ramped by political nerds and commentators who have nothing better to do. Instead of tweeting about chief whips' thumbs, perhaps Laura K would care to put a number on her prediction?
Lots of heat, little light – and never any real drama.0 -
He did last week.tlg86 said:
I see. Has that idiot from Sheffield Hallam been voting recently?TheScreamingEagles said:0 -
Priceless.Elliot said:
The trampling on parliamentary procedures entails the rebels arguing parliament should usurp executive powers from the executive and the Lords overruling the Commons on a manifesto commitment. These are people more loyal to the EU than the British constitution.tpfkar said:Looking at the way the Government are playing silly buggers with the shared amendment, refusing to pair, and that written minsterial statement, I really hope they lose by exactly 1 vote.
That way, it's all blamed on them ducking the vote from the previous week, when the Lewisham East MP wasn't there. They've trampled so much on parliamentary procedures and their own promises, there deserves to be some real comeback.
No surprise when some of them are part of the French republican peerage.0 -
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It certainly looks that way. In asking for the power to reverse the public vote, Grieve showed his true colours and his true agenda. He is a repulsive Brussels apologist who disgraces our party and our country.GIN1138 said:Half an hour in to PMQ's and still no questions about today's vote.
Theresa's won it hasn't she?0 -
He hasTheScreamingEagles said:
Don't think so.tlg86 said:
I see. Has that idiot from Sheffield Hallam been voting recently?TheScreamingEagles said:
It is just like having a member of Sinn Fein representing Sheffield Hallam.
Its not0 -
I bet you got your knickers in a twist when Lord Sugar disgracefully mentioned Gisela Stuart's background in the run up to the referendum?Elliot said:
The trampling on parliamentary procedures entails the rebels arguing parliament should usurp executive powers from the executive and the Lords overruling the Commons on a manifesto commitment. These are people more loyal to the EU than the British constitution.tpfkar said:Looking at the way the Government are playing silly buggers with the shared amendment, refusing to pair, and that written minsterial statement, I really hope they lose by exactly 1 vote.
That way, it's all blamed on them ducking the vote from the previous week, when the Lewisham East MP wasn't there. They've trampled so much on parliamentary procedures and their own promises, there deserves to be some real comeback.
No surprise when some of them are part of the French republican peerage.
Aren't you part Iranian? Are we sure your support for Leave is to ensure the little great Satan is divided by Brexit.0 -
LOLMaxPB said:
It certainly looks that way. In asking for the power to reverse the public vote, Grieve showed his true colours and his true agenda. He is a repulsive Brussels apologist who disgraces our party and our country.GIN1138 said:Half an hour in to PMQ's and still no questions about today's vote.
Theresa's won it hasn't she?0 -
I wonder if Shaffaq Mohammed might be the man to defeat him in 2022 ?TheScreamingEagles said:
Don't think so.tlg86 said:
I see. Has that idiot from Sheffield Hallam been voting recently?TheScreamingEagles said:
It is just like having a member of Sinn Fein representing Sheffield Hallam.
http://democracy.sheffield.gov.uk/mgUserInfo.aspx?UID=1810 -
He's still not made his maiden speech, just like Sinn Fein MPs.bigjohnowls said:
He hasTheScreamingEagles said:
Don't think so.tlg86 said:
I see. Has that idiot from Sheffield Hallam been voting recently?TheScreamingEagles said:
It is just like having a member of Sinn Fein representing Sheffield Hallam.
Its not
No wonder Jez likes him.0 -
Before long, Grieve will try and get Barnier or Junker to become PM!Anazina said:
LOLMaxPB said:
It certainly looks that way. In asking for the power to reverse the public vote, Grieve showed his true colours and his true agenda. He is a repulsive Brussels apologist who disgraces our party and our country.GIN1138 said:Half an hour in to PMQ's and still no questions about today's vote.
Theresa's won it hasn't she?0 -
RoyalBlue said:
So was Jeshua ben Marium, crucified, and look how many people killed and died for him, but then the Son of God and his followers were guaranteed to have their sins forgiven. Then the Sainted Tony with his pal GW Bush (Supported by Cameron and many in the Tories (and who can forget Libya and Syria)) with the blood of millions on their hands from Iraq and Afghanistan. Once you manage to clean the dust from your knees, you might realise how weak and daft you sound.bigjohnowls said:
The man’s a Marxist. Regimes inspired by Marx killed 100 million of their own people, and made life a misery for the rest. McDonnell is proud not to accept donations from ‘bourgeois organisations’.Casino_Royale said:
Irrational fear.Sean_F said:
I fear McDonnell even more.Jonathan said:
It's because I don't underrate him, that I think he could achieve a great deal of harm, as Prime Minister.Cyclefree said:
I was thinking of his early years as leader when he faced votes of no confidence from the PLP and Shadow Cabinet resignations (though some more junior resignations have happened in recent weeks) which would likely have felled a different leader.Jonathan said:
???Cyclefree said:Corbyn is very like May: the ability to hang on and on and defy all attempts to oust him. There is more to leadership than that, as we are seeing with Mrs May.
But however much you disagree with him, he should not be dismissed. He has led Labour to a new place. No doubt about that.
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May on the other hand, doesn't offer much on leadership. For me she is a poor man's late Gordon Brown. It's all about duty, resilience and tactical party management. The Tories are where they were two years ago, but weaker.
I think he’d ruin my family, and millions of others like it.
What on earth do you fear.
He is extremely dangerous.0 -
If I were the Sheffield Lib Dems I'm be working 24/7 to get Magid Magid to defect and make him the candidate for Hallam.Pulpstar said:
I wonder if Shaffaq Mohammed might be the man to defeat him in 2022 ?TheScreamingEagles said:
Don't think so.tlg86 said:
I see. Has that idiot from Sheffield Hallam been voting recently?TheScreamingEagles said:
It is just like having a member of Sinn Fein representing Sheffield Hallam.
http://democracy.sheffield.gov.uk/mgUserInfo.aspx?UID=181
Lib Dem gain nailed on.0 -
No it's arcane debating about procedural matters which may or may not be required in a few months based on certain hypothetical scenarios. Do even the proposers of the amendments - let alone most of those voting on them - know what they would mean in practice?Jonathan said:
Don't be daft, this is real drama. It's also democracy in action. Important not to disregard it.Anazina said:The pseudo dramas over these parliamentary votes is utterly tiresome. The government will 'win', there is no doubt.
I actually agree with @Mortimer on this – the chance of a successful rebellion is always over ramped by political nerds and commentators who have nothing better to do. Instead of tweeting about chief whips' thumbs, perhaps Laura K would care to put a number on her prediction?
Lots of heat, little light – and never any real drama.
When is a meaningful vote meaningful?
It must look very odd to voters.0 -
Just because it looks odd to voters (all of Westminster is arcane and an anachronism) doesn't mean that it isn't important.brendan16 said:
No it's arcane debating about procedural matters which may or may not be required in a few months based on certain hypothetical scenarios. Do even the proposers of the amendments - let alone most of those voting on them - know what they would mean in practice?Jonathan said:
Don't be daft, this is real drama. It's also democracy in action. Important not to disregard it.Anazina said:The pseudo dramas over these parliamentary votes is utterly tiresome. The government will 'win', there is no doubt.
I actually agree with @Mortimer on this – the chance of a successful rebellion is always over ramped by political nerds and commentators who have nothing better to do. Instead of tweeting about chief whips' thumbs, perhaps Laura K would care to put a number on her prediction?
Lots of heat, little light – and never any real drama.
When is a meaningful vote meaningful?
It must look very odd to voters.0 -
Yo Max!! I see it is once more Mojito-time at Max Towers!!MaxPB said:
It certainly looks that way. In asking for the power to reverse the public vote, Grieve showed his true colours and his true agenda. He is a repulsive Brussels apologist who disgraces our party and our country.GIN1138 said:Half an hour in to PMQ's and still no questions about today's vote.
Theresa's won it hasn't she?0 -
I'm British. My father is Iranian. I was born and brought up here. I wasn't educated by the Iranian government despite access to UK schools, I haven't taken any honours from the Iranian government and I'm not the president of any pro-Iranian organisations.TheScreamingEagles said:
I bet you got your knickers in a twist when Lord Sugar disgracefully mentioned Gisela Stuart's background in the run up to the referendum?Elliot said:
The trampling on parliamentary procedures entails the rebels arguing parliament should usurp executive powers from the executive and the Lords overruling the Commons on a manifesto commitment. These are people more loyal to the EU than the British constitution.tpfkar said:Looking at the way the Government are playing silly buggers with the shared amendment, refusing to pair, and that written minsterial statement, I really hope they lose by exactly 1 vote.
That way, it's all blamed on them ducking the vote from the previous week, when the Lewisham East MP wasn't there. They've trampled so much on parliamentary procedures and their own promises, there deserves to be some real comeback.
No surprise when some of them are part of the French republican peerage.
Aren't you part Iranian? Are we sure your support for Leave is to ensure the little great Satan is divided by Brexit.
Other than that, good point.0 -
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So you're doing the Ayatollah's work to divide the West.Elliot said:
I'm British. My father is Iranian. I was born and brought up here. I wasn't educated by the Iranian government despite access to UK schools, I haven't taken any honours from the Iranian government and I'm not the president of any pro-Iranian organisations.TheScreamingEagles said:
I bet you got your knickers in a twist when Lord Sugar disgracefully mentioned Gisela Stuart's background in the run up to the referendum?Elliot said:
The trampling on parliamentary procedures entails the rebels arguing parliament should usurp executive powers from the executive and the Lords overruling the Commons on a manifesto commitment. These are people more loyal to the EU than the British constitution.tpfkar said:Looking at the way the Government are playing silly buggers with the shared amendment, refusing to pair, and that written minsterial statement, I really hope they lose by exactly 1 vote.
That way, it's all blamed on them ducking the vote from the previous week, when the Lewisham East MP wasn't there. They've trampled so much on parliamentary procedures and their own promises, there deserves to be some real comeback.
No surprise when some of them are part of the French republican peerage.
Aren't you part Iranian? Are we sure your support for Leave is to ensure the little great Satan is divided by Brexit.
Other than that, good point.
Noted.0 -
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Is there anything about Labour and Corbyn you won't instinctively defend BJO?bigjohnowls said:
He hasTheScreamingEagles said:
Don't think so.tlg86 said:
I see. Has that idiot from Sheffield Hallam been voting recently?TheScreamingEagles said:
It is just like having a member of Sinn Fein representing Sheffield Hallam.
Its not0 -
Theresa must really regret her antics last week.Scott_P said:0 -
I'd have thought he'll probably be standing for the Greens in central ?TheScreamingEagles said:
If I were the Sheffield Lib Dems I'm be working 24/7 to get Magid Magid to defect and make him the candidate for Hallam.Pulpstar said:
I wonder if Shaffaq Mohammed might be the man to defeat him in 2022 ?TheScreamingEagles said:
Don't think so.tlg86 said:
I see. Has that idiot from Sheffield Hallam been voting recently?TheScreamingEagles said:
It is just like having a member of Sinn Fein representing Sheffield Hallam.
http://democracy.sheffield.gov.uk/mgUserInfo.aspx?UID=181
Lib Dem gain nailed on.
I wonder how a by-election would go there now. Labour would win but a big swing from Lab -> Green would be my guess.0 -
For a second Glorious Revolution it should be someone from Benelux, so Juncker or Verhofstadt.MaxPB said:
Before long, Grieve will try and get Barnier or Junker to become PM!Anazina said:
LOLMaxPB said:
It certainly looks that way. In asking for the power to reverse the public vote, Grieve showed his true colours and his true agenda. He is a repulsive Brussels apologist who disgraces our party and our country.GIN1138 said:Half an hour in to PMQ's and still no questions about today's vote.
Theresa's won it hasn't she?0 -
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Is there really time to run through an amendment at that stage ?TheScreamingEagles said:
Theresa must really regret her antics last week.Scott_P said:
It's way past the final whistle in terms of time.0 -
So you're a racist that judges people on their genetics rather than their actions.TheScreamingEagles said:
So you're doing the Ayatollah's work to divide the West.Elliot said:
I'm British. My father is Iranian. I was born and brought up here. I wasn't educated by the Iranian government despite access to UK schools, I haven't taken any honours from the Iranian government and I'm not the president of any pro-Iranian organisations.TheScreamingEagles said:
I bet you got your knickers in a twist when Lord Sugar disgracefully mentioned Gisela Stuart's background in the run up to the referendum?Elliot said:
The trampling on parliamentary procedures entails the rebels arguing parliament should usurp executive powers from the executive and the Lords overruling the Commons on a manifesto commitment. These are people more loyal to the EU than the British constitution.tpfkar said:Looking at the way the Government are playing silly buggers with the shared amendment, refusing to pair, and that written minsterial statement, I really hope they lose by exactly 1 vote.
That way, it's all blamed on them ducking the vote from the previous week, when the Lewisham East MP wasn't there. They've trampled so much on parliamentary procedures and their own promises, there deserves to be some real comeback.
No surprise when some of them are part of the French republican peerage.
Aren't you part Iranian? Are we sure your support for Leave is to ensure the little great Satan is divided by Brexit.
Other than that, good point.
Noted.
Noted.0 -
In a by election I reckon the Lib Dems gain.Pulpstar said:
I'd have thought he'll probably be standing for the Greens in central ?TheScreamingEagles said:
If I were the Sheffield Lib Dems I'm be working 24/7 to get Magid Magid to defect and make him the candidate for Hallam.Pulpstar said:
I wonder if Shaffaq Mohammed might be the man to defeat him in 2022 ?TheScreamingEagles said:
Don't think so.tlg86 said:
I see. Has that idiot from Sheffield Hallam been voting recently?TheScreamingEagles said:
It is just like having a member of Sinn Fein representing Sheffield Hallam.
http://democracy.sheffield.gov.uk/mgUserInfo.aspx?UID=181
Lib Dem gain nailed on.
I wonder how a by-election would go there now. Labour would win but a big swing from Lab -> Green would be my guess.
Hanretty estimates Hallam voted 66% Remain, which is in the same ball park as Lewisham East, and we saw the Lab to LD swing there.
Plus I can see a lot of Tories voting tactically to get rid of O'Mara.0 -
I think the rebels have disappeared up their own backsides.Scott_P said:
Call their bluff Theresa - and if you fail, go.0 -
If the Government has conceded that the motion can be amended, then presumably they'll have no problem with voting for the Lords amendment that says just that.Scott_P said:0 -
I'm mocking you in the same manner that you condemn Dominic Grieve.Elliot said:
So you're a racist that judges people on their genetics rather than their actions.TheScreamingEagles said:
So you're doing the Ayatollah's work to divide the West.Elliot said:
I'm British. My father is Iranian. I was born and brought up here. I wasn't educated by the Iranian government despite access to UK schools, I haven't taken any honours from the Iranian government and I'm not the president of any pro-Iranian organisations.TheScreamingEagles said:
I bet you got your knickers in a twist when Lord Sugar disgracefully mentioned Gisela Stuart's background in the run up to the referendum?Elliot said:
The trampling on parliamentary procedures entails the rebels arguing parliament should usurp executive powers from the executive and the Lords overruling the Commons on a manifesto commitment. These are people more loyal to the EU than the British constitution.tpfkar said:Looking at the way the Government are playing silly buggers with the shared amendment, refusing to pair, and that written minsterial statement, I really hope they lose by exactly 1 vote.
That way, it's all blamed on them ducking the vote from the previous week, when the Lewisham East MP wasn't there. They've trampled so much on parliamentary procedures and their own promises, there deserves to be some real comeback.
No surprise when some of them are part of the French republican peerage.
Aren't you part Iranian? Are we sure your support for Leave is to ensure the little great Satan is divided by Brexit.
Other than that, good point.
Noted.
Noted.
Light bends around you.0 -
Wow. This statement from the families at Gosport is truly damning0
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I'm now utterly confused, and I expect most people are over this navel gazing stuff.0
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And so it should beRichard_Tyndall said:Wow. This statement from the families at Gosport is truly damning
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Well if the EU agree an extension to Article 50 there'll be plenty of time for that amendment and many more.Pulpstar said:
Is there really time to run through an amendment at that stage ?TheScreamingEagles said:
Theresa must really regret her antics last week.Scott_P said:
It's way past the final whistle in terms of time.0 -
I dont think Sheffield Hallam MP has done wellJosiasJessop said:
Is there anything about Labour and Corbyn you won't instinctively defend BJO?bigjohnowls said:
He hasTheScreamingEagles said:
Don't think so.tlg86 said:
I see. Has that idiot from Sheffield Hallam been voting recently?TheScreamingEagles said:
It is just like having a member of Sinn Fein representing Sheffield Hallam.
Its not
TSE was factually incorrect he is voting now
It is nothing like having a SF MP
and regarding Corbyn I do not believe in UND
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Dominic Grieve being president of the Anglo-French society and taking the Legion d'Honeur is his ethnic background? Whatever you say.TheScreamingEagles said:
I'm mocking you in the same manner that you condemn Dominic Grieve.Elliot said:
So you're a racist that judges people on their genetics rather than their actions.TheScreamingEagles said:
So you're doing the Ayatollah's work to divide the West.Elliot said:
I'm British. My father is Iranian. I was born and brought up here. I wasn't educated by the Iranian government despite access to UK schools, I haven't taken any honours from the Iranian government and I'm not the president of any pro-Iranian organisations.TheScreamingEagles said:
I bet you got your knickers in a twist when Lord Sugar disgracefully mentioned Gisela Stuart's background in the run up to the referendum?Elliot said:
The trampling on parliamentary procedures entails the rebels arguing parliament should usurp executive powers from the executive and the Lords overruling the Commons on a manifesto commitment. These are people more loyal to the EU than the British constitution.tpfkar said:Looking at the way the Government are playing silly buggers with the shared amendment, refusing to pair, and that written minsterial statement, I really hope they lose by exactly 1 vote.
That way, it's all blamed on them ducking the vote from the previous week, when the Lewisham East MP wasn't there. They've trampled so much on parliamentary procedures and their own promises, there deserves to be some real comeback.
No surprise when some of them are part of the French republican peerage.
Aren't you part Iranian? Are we sure your support for Leave is to ensure the little great Satan is divided by Brexit.
Other than that, good point.
Noted.
Noted.
Light bends around you.0 -
Thanks for your reply, but the Labour MPs you tend to criticise appear to be centrist ones.bigjohnowls said:
I dont think Sheffield Hallam MP has done wellJosiasJessop said:
Is there anything about Labour and Corbyn you won't instinctively defend BJO?bigjohnowls said:
He hasTheScreamingEagles said:
Don't think so.tlg86 said:
I see. Has that idiot from Sheffield Hallam been voting recently?TheScreamingEagles said:
It is just like having a member of Sinn Fein representing Sheffield Hallam.
Its not
TSE was factually incorrect he is voting now
It is nothing like having a SF MP
and regarding Corbyn I do not believe in UND
REGARDING LABOUR MPs loads of examples where i criticise them
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Grieve's mother is French.Elliot said:
Dominic Grieve being president of the Anglo-French society and taking the Legion d'Honeur is his ethnic background? Whatever you say.TheScreamingEagles said:
I'm mocking you in the same manner that you condemn Dominic Grieve.Elliot said:
So you're a racist that judges people on their genetics rather than their actions.TheScreamingEagles said:
So you're doing the Ayatollah's work to divide the West.Elliot said:
I'm British. My father is Iranian. I was born and brought up here. I wasn't educated by the Iranian government despite access to UK schools, I haven't taken any honours from the Iranian government and I'm not the president of any pro-Iranian organisations.TheScreamingEagles said:
I bet you got your knickers in a twist when Lord Sugar disgracefully mentioned Gisela Stuart's background in the run up to the referendum?Elliot said:
The trampling on parliamentary procedures entails the rebels arguing parliament should usurp executive powers from the executive and the Lords overruling the Commons on a manifesto commitment. These are people more loyal to the EU than the British constitution.tpfkar said:Looking at the way the Government are playing silly buggers with the shared amendment, refusing to pair, and that written minsterial statement, I really hope they lose by exactly 1 vote.
That way, it's all blamed on them ducking the vote from the previous week, when the Lewisham East MP wasn't there. They've trampled so much on parliamentary procedures and their own promises, there deserves to be some real comeback.
No surprise when some of them are part of the French republican peerage.
Aren't you part Iranian? Are we sure your support for Leave is to ensure the little great Satan is divided by Brexit.
Other than that, good point.
Noted.
Noted.
Light bends around you.
Another British politician with a foreign born mother was awarded Légion d'Honneur, but I guess you'll be condemning Sir Winston Churchill too, after all he was in favour of a political union with France.0 -
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Yes but Alistair has assured me I've been a total melt in terms of taking my stake out on that bet and we're leaving on time :>TheScreamingEagles said:
Well if the EU agree an extension to Article 50 there'll be plenty of time for that amendment and many more.Pulpstar said:
Is there really time to run through an amendment at that stage ?TheScreamingEagles said:
Theresa must really regret her antics last week.Scott_P said:
It's way past the final whistle in terms of time.0 -
He has a bee in his bonnet, certainly.MaxPB said:
It certainly looks that way. In asking for the power to reverse the public vote, Grieve showed his true colours and his true agenda. He is a repulsive Brussels apologist who disgraces our party and our country.GIN1138 said:Half an hour in to PMQ's and still no questions about today's vote.
Theresa's won it hasn't she?0 -
Still on Brexit, progress on securing an air travel agreement will definitely start soon (!)
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I'm actually enjoying a couple of pints at the Kings Stores in Liverpool Street!TOPPING said:
Yo Max!! I see it is once more Mojito-time at Max Towers!!MaxPB said:
It certainly looks that way. In asking for the power to reverse the public vote, Grieve showed his true colours and his true agenda. He is a repulsive Brussels apologist who disgraces our party and our country.GIN1138 said:Half an hour in to PMQ's and still no questions about today's vote.
Theresa's won it hasn't she?0 -
Here's another British patriot with the same Légion d'HonneurElliot said:Totally British patriot Dominic Grieve.
https://imgur.com/a/PsPdas1
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You trust lawyers? Tsk.Pulpstar said:
Yes but Alistair has assured me I've been a total melt in terms of taking my stake out on that bet and we're leaving on time :>TheScreamingEagles said:
Well if the EU agree an extension to Article 50 there'll be plenty of time for that amendment and many more.Pulpstar said:
Is there really time to run through an amendment at that stage ?TheScreamingEagles said:
Theresa must really regret her antics last week.Scott_P said:
It's way past the final whistle in terms of time.0 -
I think we will Leave on time, but I'm seeing the chances of us asking for an extension rising day by day.Pulpstar said:
Yes but Alistair has assured me I've been a total melt in terms of taking my stake out on that bet and we're leaving on time :>TheScreamingEagles said:
Well if the EU agree an extension to Article 50 there'll be plenty of time for that amendment and many more.Pulpstar said:
Is there really time to run through an amendment at that stage ?TheScreamingEagles said:
Theresa must really regret her antics last week.Scott_P said:
It's way past the final whistle in terms of time.
To reassure you further, there's no guarantee that our request for an extension will be met.0 -
Lol, the rebels are so weak! Less backbone than IDS!!!0
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Game over for the rebels if Morgan has folded.
Increasingly difficult to see Anna Soubry staying in the party.0 -
Would never have guessed!MaxPB said:
I'm actually enjoying a couple of pints at the Kings Stores in Liverpool Street!TOPPING said:
Yo Max!! I see it is once more Mojito-time at Max Towers!!MaxPB said:
It certainly looks that way. In asking for the power to reverse the public vote, Grieve showed his true colours and his true agenda. He is a repulsive Brussels apologist who disgraces our party and our country.GIN1138 said:Half an hour in to PMQ's and still no questions about today's vote.
Theresa's won it hasn't she?
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My father-in=law was made a Chevalier, for serving in the Arctic Convoy, just before he died.TheScreamingEagles said:
Here's another British patriot with the same Légion d'HonneurElliot said:Totally British patriot Dominic Grieve.
https://imgur.com/a/PsPdas10 -
I think his amendment daft but this is stupid as those attacks on SNP MPs when they had snaps taken by the tricolour at Kilmainham Gaol.Elliot said:Totally British patriot Dominic Grieve.
https://imgur.com/a/PsPdas10 -
Will Bercow decide it is 'meaningful' ?
Can he ?
I'll admit I'm a bit lost.0 -
TOPPING said:
Would never have guessed!MaxPB said:
I'm actually enjoying a couple of pints at the Kings Stores in Liverpool Street!TOPPING said:
Yo Max!! I see it is once more Mojito-time at Max Towers!!MaxPB said:
It certainly looks that way. In asking for the power to reverse the public vote, Grieve showed his true colours and his true agenda. He is a repulsive Brussels apologist who disgraces our party and our country.GIN1138 said:Half an hour in to PMQ's and still no questions about today's vote.
Theresa's won it hasn't she?
I wanted a pizza for lunch so walked over from London Wall to Pizza Union, then the pub called to me on the walk back.
Given that my gardening leave starts next week, I think I'm in the clear.0 -
Was he president of the Franco-British society too?TheScreamingEagles said:
Here's another British patriot with the same Légion d'HonneurElliot said:Totally British patriot Dominic Grieve.
https://imgur.com/a/PsPdas10 -
Priti Patel’s fan club won’t tolerate anyone with foreign parents.TheScreamingEagles said:
Grieve's mother is French.Elliot said:
Dominic Grieve being president of the Anglo-French society and taking the Legion d'Honeur is his ethnic background? Whatever you say.TheScreamingEagles said:
I'm mocking you in the same manner that you condemn Dominic Grieve.Elliot said:
So you're a racist that judges people on their genetics rather than their actions.TheScreamingEagles said:
So you're doing the Ayatollah's work to divide the West.Elliot said:
I'm British. My father is Iranian. I was born and brought up here. I wasn't educated by the Iranian government despite access to UK schools, I haven't taken any honours from the Iranian government and I'm not the president of any pro-Iranian organisations.TheScreamingEagles said:
I bet you got your knickers in a twist when Lord Sugar disgracefully mentioned Gisela Stuart's background in the run up to the referendum?Elliot said:
The trampling on parliamentary procedures entails the rebels arguing parliament should usurp executive powers from the executive and the Lords overruling the Commons on a manifesto commitment. These are people more loyal to the EU than the British constitution.tpfkar said:Looking at the way the Government are playing silly buggers with the shared amendment, refusing to pair, and that written minsterial statement, I really hope they lose by exactly 1 vote.
That way, it's all blamed on them ducking the vote from the previous week, when the Lewisham East MP wasn't there. They've trampled so much on parliamentary procedures and their own promises, there deserves to be some real comeback.
No surprise when some of them are part of the French republican peerage.
Aren't you part Iranian? Are we sure your support for Leave is to ensure the little great Satan is divided by Brexit.
Other than that, good point.
Noted.
Noted.
Light bends around you.
Another British politician with a foreign born mother was awarded Légion d'Honneur, but I guess you'll be condemning Sir Winston Churchill too, after all he was in favour of a political union with France.
https://twitter.com/pritipatel4pm/status/1008695196970823681?s=210 -
Thank Christ we have a Strong & Stable government.TheScreamingEagles said:0 -
That's not her official account.williamglenn said:
Priti Patel’s fan club won’t tolerate anyone with foreign parents.TheScreamingEagles said:
Grieve's mother is French.Elliot said:
Dominic Grieve being president of the Anglo-French society and taking the Legion d'Honeur is his ethnic background? Whatever you say.TheScreamingEagles said:
I'm mocking you in the same manner that you condemn Dominic Grieve.Elliot said:
So you're a racist that judges people on their genetics rather than their actions.TheScreamingEagles said:
So you're doing the Ayatollah's work to divide the West.Elliot said:
I'm British. My father is Iranian. I was born and brought up here. I wasn't educated by the Iranian government despite access to UK schools, I haven't taken any honours from the Iranian government and I'm not the president of any pro-Iranian organisations.TheScreamingEagles said:
I bet you got your knickers in a twist when Lord Sugar disgracefully mentioned Gisela Stuart's background in the run up to the referendum?Elliot said:
The trampling on parliamentary procedures entails the rebels arguing parliament should usurp executive powers from the executive and the Lords overruling the Commons on a manifesto commitment. These are people more loyal to the EU than the British constitution.tpfkar said:Looking at the way the Government are playing silly buggers with the shared amendment, refusing to pair, and that written minsterial statement, I really hope they lose by exactly 1 vote.
That way, it's all blamed on them ducking the vote from the previous week, when the Lewisham East MP wasn't there. They've trampled so much on parliamentary procedures and their own promises, there deserves to be some real comeback.
No surprise when some of them are part of the French republican peerage.
Aren't you part Iranian? Are we sure your support for Leave is to ensure the little great Satan is divided by Brexit.
Other than that, good point.
Noted.
Noted.
Light bends around you.
Another British politician with a foreign born mother was awarded Légion d'Honneur, but I guess you'll be condemning Sir Winston Churchill too, after all he was in favour of a political union with France.
https://twitter.com/pritipatel4pm/status/1008695196970823681?s=210 -
He may not be speaker by thenPulpstar said:Will Bercow decide it is 'meaningful' ?
Can he ?
I'll admit I'm a bit lost.0 -
Yeah I've got no idea what's going on.Slackbladder said:I'm now utterly confused, and I expect most people are over this navel gazing stuff.
I'd sort of assumed this was all storm in a teacup stuff, but some of the wiser heads on here like OGH and TSE seem to think this could be the end of Theresa May.0 -
ha I thought you must be on gardening leave....far too much time posting on PB.MaxPB said:TOPPING said:
Would never have guessed!MaxPB said:
I'm actually enjoying a couple of pints at the Kings Stores in Liverpool Street!TOPPING said:
Yo Max!! I see it is once more Mojito-time at Max Towers!!MaxPB said:
It certainly looks that way. In asking for the power to reverse the public vote, Grieve showed his true colours and his true agenda. He is a repulsive Brussels apologist who disgraces our party and our country.GIN1138 said:Half an hour in to PMQ's and still no questions about today's vote.
Theresa's won it hasn't she?
I wanted a pizza for lunch so walked over from London Wall to Pizza Union, then the pub called to me on the walk back.
Given that my gardening leave starts next week, I think I'm in the clear.
Going/doing anything nice on the time off?0 -
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This message is supported and endorsed by @Elliot.williamglenn said:
Priti Patel’s fan club won’t tolerate anyone with foreign parents.TheScreamingEagles said:
Grieve's mother is French.Elliot said:
Dominic Grieve being president of the Anglo-French society and taking the Legion d'Honeur is his ethnic background? Whatever you say.TheScreamingEagles said:
I'm mocking you in the same manner that you condemn Dominic Grieve.Elliot said:
So you're a racist that judges people on their genetics rather than their actions.TheScreamingEagles said:
So you're doing the Ayatollah's work to divide the West.Elliot said:
I'm British. My father is Iranian. I was born and brought up here. I wasn't educated by the Iranian government despite access to UK schools, I haven't taken any honours from the Iranian government and I'm not the president of any pro-Iranian organisations.TheScreamingEagles said:
I bet you got your knickers in a twist when Lord Sugar disgracefully mentioned Gisela Stuart's background in the run up to the referendum?Elliot said:
The trampling on parliamentary procedures entails the rebels arguing parliament should usurp executive powers from the executive and the Lords overruling the Commons on a manifesto commitment. These are people more loyal to the EU than the British constitution.tpfkar said:Looking at the way the Government are playing silly buggers with the shared amendment, refusing to pair, and that written minsterial statement, I really hope they lose by exactly 1 vote.
That way, it's all blamed on them ducking the vote from the previous week, when the Lewisham East MP wasn't there. They've trampled so much on parliamentary procedures and their own promises, there deserves to be some real comeback.
No surprise when some of them are part of the French republican peerage.
Aren't you part Iranian? Are we sure your support for Leave is to ensure the little great Satan is divided by Brexit.
Other than that, good point.
Noted.
Noted.
Light bends around you.
Another British politician with a foreign born mother was awarded Légion d'Honneur, but I guess you'll be condemning Sir Winston Churchill too, after all he was in favour of a political union with France.
https://twitter.com/pritipatel4pm/status/1008695196970823681?s=210 -
Things we have learned this week:
1. That the House can sit in private; and
2. That a motion can be expressed in neutral terms.0 -
Two new Italian polls give the League a small lead for the first time:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Opinion_polling_for_the_next_Italian_general_election#20180 -
Lol, they agreed to give me 3 months gardening leave and three months double pay for my 6 month notice (which contractually I was entitled to take all as gardening leave). Clearly, I didn't do very much work.TOPPING said:
ha I thought you must be on gardening leave....far too much time posting on PB.MaxPB said:TOPPING said:
Would never have guessed!MaxPB said:
I'm actually enjoying a couple of pints at the Kings Stores in Liverpool Street!TOPPING said:
Yo Max!! I see it is once more Mojito-time at Max Towers!!MaxPB said:
It certainly looks that way. In asking for the power to reverse the public vote, Grieve showed his true colours and his true agenda. He is a repulsive Brussels apologist who disgraces our party and our country.GIN1138 said:Half an hour in to PMQ's and still no questions about today's vote.
Theresa's won it hasn't she?
I wanted a pizza for lunch so walked over from London Wall to Pizza Union, then the pub called to me on the walk back.
Given that my gardening leave starts next week, I think I'm in the clear.
Going/doing anything nice on the time off?
Wedding planning, honeymoon planning then the honeymoon. Got to finish buying my place, hopefully it will complete next month. The London property market has huge discounts available for anyone who asks! I got about £200k off the asking price for my place. 0 -
If that is what the government is banking on then I think that would be a huge mistake.Big_G_NorthWales said:
He may not be speaker by thenPulpstar said:Will Bercow decide it is 'meaningful' ?
Can he ?
I'll admit I'm a bit lost.0 -
Worse than that.Elliot said:
Was he president of the Franco-British society too?TheScreamingEagles said:
Here's another British patriot with the same Légion d'HonneurElliot said:Totally British patriot Dominic Grieve.
https://imgur.com/a/PsPdas1
Churchill tried to merge the UK and France into one country.0 -
Don't be silly. He's even more barnacle like than May.Big_G_NorthWales said:
He may not be speaker by thenPulpstar said:Will Bercow decide it is 'meaningful' ?
Can he ?
I'll admit I'm a bit lost.0 -
I don’t like to get personal. But, really, Max: do grow up. Grieve is a distinguished thoughtful lawyer and Parliamentarian, who has been a loss to the Cabinet, and who is trying to do the best for his country as he sees it. He may be wrong. But he is not a repulsive apologist or traitor and he disgraces no-one. Your post, on the other hand.....MaxPB said:
It certainly looks that way. In asking for the power to reverse the public vote, Grieve showed his true colours and his true agenda. He is a repulsive Brussels apologist who disgraces our party and our country.GIN1138 said:Half an hour in to PMQ's and still no questions about today's vote.
Theresa's won it hasn't she?
The single thing I hate most about the EU referendum has been the way otherwise apparently sensible people have lost the ability to understand the concept of the honest and legitimate disagreement. Taking a different view frome one’s own does not thereby mean that the person doing so is somehow evil. There are plenty on here on both sides who might like to reflect on that. And I apologise in advance if that makes me sound pompous. But some threads are well nigh unbearable with all the “traitor”, “remoaner”, “xenophobe” abuse.0 -
Wasn't it more a takeover rather than merging?TheScreamingEagles said:
Worse than that.Elliot said:
Was he president of the Franco-British society too?TheScreamingEagles said:
Here's another British patriot with the same Légion d'HonneurElliot said:Totally British patriot Dominic Grieve.
https://imgur.com/a/PsPdas1
Churchill tried to merge the UK and France into one country.0 -
good job and sounds like a busy few weeks.MaxPB said:
Lol, they agreed to give me 3 months gardening leave and three months double pay for my 6 month notice (which contractually I was entitled to take all as gardening leave). Clearly, I didn't do very much work.TOPPING said:
ha I thought you must be on gardening leave....far too much time posting on PB.MaxPB said:TOPPING said:
Would never have guessed!MaxPB said:
I'm actually enjoying a couple of pints at the Kings Stores in Liverpool Street!TOPPING said:
Yo Max!! I see it is once more Mojito-time at Max Towers!!MaxPB said:
It certainly looks that way. In asking for the power to reverse the public vote, Grieve showed his true colours and his true agenda. He is a repulsive Brussels apologist who disgraces our party and our country.GIN1138 said:Half an hour in to PMQ's and still no questions about today's vote.
Theresa's won it hasn't she?
I wanted a pizza for lunch so walked over from London Wall to Pizza Union, then the pub called to me on the walk back.
Given that my gardening leave starts next week, I think I'm in the clear.
Going/doing anything nice on the time off?
Wedding planning, honeymoon planning then the honeymoon. Got to finish buying my place, hopefully it will complete next month. The London property market has huge discounts available for anyone who asks! I got about £200k off the asking price for my place.0 -
Merger.MaxPB said:
Wasn't it more a takeover rather than merging?TheScreamingEagles said:
Worse than that.Elliot said:
Was he president of the Franco-British society too?TheScreamingEagles said:
Here's another British patriot with the same Légion d'HonneurElliot said:Totally British patriot Dominic Grieve.
https://imgur.com/a/PsPdas1
Churchill tried to merge the UK and France into one country.
https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.theatlantic.com/amp/article/536106/0 -
Not for the first time, I am in absolute agreement with your eminent reason.Cyclefree said:
I don’t like to get personal. But, really, Max: do grow up. Grieve is a distinguished thoughtful lawyer and Parliamentarian, who has been a loss to the Cabinet, and who is trying to do the best for his country as he sees it. He may be wrong. But he is not a repulsive apologist or traitor and he disgraces no-one. Your post, on the other hand.....MaxPB said:
It certainly looks that way. In asking for the power to reverse the public vote, Grieve showed his true colours and his true agenda. He is a repulsive Brussels apologist who disgraces our party and our country.GIN1138 said:Half an hour in to PMQ's and still no questions about today's vote.
Theresa's won it hasn't she?
The single thing I hate most about the EU referendum has been the way otherwise apparently sensible people have lost the ability to understand the concept of the honest and legitimate disagreement. Taking a different view frome one’s own does not thereby mean that the person doing so is somehow evil. There are plenty on here on both sides who might like to reflect on that. And I apologise in advance if that makes me sound pompous. But some threads are well nigh unbearable with all the “traitor”, “remoaner”, “xenophobe” abuse.
If only you could overcome your xocolatophobia...0 -
Unbelievable. On her own basis, Priti Patel should be described as a Ugandan. What is wrong with these people?TOPPING said:
This message is supported and endorsed by @Elliot.williamglenn said:
Priti Patel’s fan club won’t tolerate anyone with foreign parents.TheScreamingEagles said:
Grieve's mother is French.Elliot said:
Dominic Grieve being president of the Anglo-French society and taking the Legion d'Honeur is his ethnic background? Whatever you say.TheScreamingEagles said:
I'm mocking you in the same manner that you condemn Dominic Grieve.Elliot said:
So you're a racist that judges people on their genetics rather than their actions.TheScreamingEagles said:
So you're doing the Ayatollah's work to divide the West.Elliot said:
I'm British. My father is Iranian. I was born and brought up here. I wasn't educated by the Iranian government despite access to UK schools, I haven't taken any honours from the Iranian government and I'm not the president of any pro-Iranian organisations.TheScreamingEagles said:
I bet you got your knickers in a twist when Lord Sugar disgracefully mentioned Gisela Stuart's background in the run up to the referendum?Elliot said:
The trampling on parliamentary procedures entails the rebels arguing parliament should usurp executive powers from the executive and the Lords overruling the Commons on a manifesto commitment. These are people more loyal to the EU than the British constitution.tpfkar said:Looking at the way the Government are playing silly buggers with the shared amendment, refusing to pair, and that written minsterial statement, I really hope they lose by exactly 1 vote.
That way, it's all blamed on them ducking the vote from the previous week, when the Lewisham East MP wasn't there. They've trampled so much on parliamentary procedures and their own promises, there deserves to be some real comeback.
No surprise when some of them are part of the French republican peerage.
Aren't you part Iranian? Are we sure your support for Leave is to ensure the little great Satan is divided by Brexit.
Other than that, good point.
Noted.
Noted.
Light bends around you.
Another British politician with a foreign born mother was awarded Légion d'Honneur, but I guess you'll be condemning Sir Winston Churchill too, after all he was in favour of a political union with France.
https://twitter.com/pritipatel4pm/status/1008695196970823681?s=210 -
Goodness..TheScreamingEagles said:
Merger.MaxPB said:
Wasn't it more a takeover rather than merging?TheScreamingEagles said:
Worse than that.Elliot said:
Was he president of the Franco-British society too?TheScreamingEagles said:
Here's another British patriot with the same Légion d'HonneurElliot said:Totally British patriot Dominic Grieve.
https://imgur.com/a/PsPdas1
Churchill tried to merge the UK and France into one country.
https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.theatlantic.com/amp/article/536106/
“Better be a Nazi province. At least we know what that means.”0 -
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Dominic Grieve is a British as Mr. Punch - to whom he bears a passing resemblance...Cyclefree said:
Unbelievable. On her own basis, Priti Patel should be described as a Ugandan. What is wrong with these people?TOPPING said:
This message is supported and endorsed by @Elliot.williamglenn said:
Priti Patel’s fan club won’t tolerate anyone with foreign parents.TheScreamingEagles said:
Grieve's mother is French.Elliot said:
Dominic Grieve being president of the Anglo-French society and taking the Legion d'Honeur is his ethnic background? Whatever you say.TheScreamingEagles said:
I'm mocking you in the same manner that you condemn Dominic Grieve.Elliot said:
So you're a racist that judges people on their genetics rather than their actions.TheScreamingEagles said:
So you're doing the Ayatollah's work to divide the West.Elliot said:
I'm British. My father is Iranian. I was born and brought up here. I wasn't educated by the Iranian government despite access to UK schools, I haven't taken any honours from the Iranian government and I'm not the president of any pro-Iranian organisations.TheScreamingEagles said:
I bet you got your knickers in a twist when Lord Sugar disgracefully mentioned Gisela Stuart's background in the run up to the referendum?Elliot said:tpfkar said:Looking at the way the Government are playing silly buggers with the shared amendment, refusing to pair, and that written minsterial statement, I really hope they lose by exactly 1 vote.
That way, it's all blamed on them ducking the vote from the previous week, when the Lewisham East MP wasn't there. They've trampled so much on parliamentary procedures and their own promises, there deserves to be some real comeback.
No surprise when some of them are part of the French republican peerage.
Aren't you part Iranian? Are we sure your support for Leave is to ensure the little great Satan is divided by Brexit.
Other than that, good point.
Noted.
Noted.
Light bends around you.
Another British politician with a foreign born mother was awarded Légion d'Honneur, but I guess you'll be condemning Sir Winston Churchill too, after all he was in favour of a political union with France.
https://twitter.com/pritipatel4pm/status/1008695196970823681?s=210 -
I have no phobia about chocolate. Love the good stuff. Just like eating - rather than drinking - it.Nigelb said:
Not for the first time, I am in absolute agreement with your eminent reason.Cyclefree said:
I don’t like to get personal. But, really, Max: do grow up. Grieve is a distinguished thoughtful lawyer and Parliamentarian, who has been a loss to the Cabinet, and who is trying to do the best for his country as he sees it. He may be wrong. But he is not a repulsive apologist or traitor and he disgraces no-one. Your post, on the other hand.....MaxPB said:
It certainly looks that way. In asking for the power to reverse the public vote, Grieve showed his true colours and his true agenda. He is a repulsive Brussels apologist who disgraces our party and our country.GIN1138 said:Half an hour in to PMQ's and still no questions about today's vote.
Theresa's won it hasn't she?
The single thing I hate most about the EU referendum has been the way otherwise apparently sensible people have lost the ability to understand the concept of the honest and legitimate disagreement. Taking a different view frome one’s own does not thereby mean that the person doing so is somehow evil. There are plenty on here on both sides who might like to reflect on that. And I apologise in advance if that makes me sound pompous. But some threads are well nigh unbearable with all the “traitor”, “remoaner”, “xenophobe” abuse.
If only you could overcome your xocolatophobia...
But I have now given up coffee. So perhaps you could see your way to forgiving me .......0 -
That's not Priti's tweet and I doubt she would share its sentiments.Cyclefree said:Unbelievable. On her own basis, Priti Patel should be described as a Ugandan. What is wrong with these people?
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I must admit I don't remember any Brexiteers attacking Gisela Stuart for being German when she was campaigning for Brexit.Nigelb said:
Dominic Grieve is a British as Mr. Punch - to whom he bears a passing resemblance...Cyclefree said:
Unbelievable. On her own basis, Priti Patel should be described as a Ugandan. What is wrong with these people?TOPPING said:
This message is supported and endorsed by @Elliot.williamglenn said:
Priti Patel’s fan club won’t tolerate anyone with foreign parents.TheScreamingEagles said:
Grieve's mother is French.Elliot said:
Dominic Grieve being president of the Anglo-French society and taking the Legion d'Honeur is his ethnic background? Whatever you say.TheScreamingEagles said:
I'm mocking you in the same manner that you condemn Dominic Grieve.Elliot said:
So you're a racist that judges people on their genetics rather than their actions.TheScreamingEagles said:
So you're doing the Ayatollah's work to divide the West.Elliot said:
I'm British. My father is Iranian. I was born and brought up here. I wasn't educated by the Iranian government despite access to UK schools, I haven't taken any honours from the Iranian government and I'm not the president of any pro-Iranian organisations.TheScreamingEagles said:
I bet you got your knickers in a twist when Lord Sugar disgracefully mentioned Gisela Stuart's background in the run up to the referendum?Elliot said:tpfkar said:Looking at the way the Government are playing silly buggers with the shared amendment, refusing to pair, and that written minsterial statement, I really hope they lose by exactly 1 vote.
That way, it's all blamed on them ducking the vote from the previous week, when the Lewisham East MP wasn't there. They've trampled so much on parliamentary procedures and their own promises, there deserves to be some real comeback.
No surprise when some of them are part of the French republican peerage.
Aren't you part Iranian? Are we sure your support for Leave is to ensure the little great Satan is divided by Brexit.
Other than that, good point.
Noted.
Noted.
Light bends around you.
Another British politician with a foreign born mother was awarded Légion d'Honneur, but I guess you'll be condemning Sir Winston Churchill too, after all he was in favour of a political union with France.
https://twitter.com/pritipatel4pm/status/1008695196970823681?s=210 -
I hereby acknowledge you as the nonpareil of PB.Cyclefree said:
I have no phobia about chocolate. Love the good stuff. Just like eating - rather than drinking - it.Nigelb said:
Not for the first time, I am in absolute agreement with your eminent reason.Cyclefree said:
I don’t like to get personal. But, really, Max: do grow up. Grieve is a distinguished thoughtful lawyer and Parliamentarian, who has been a loss to the Cabinet, and who is trying to do the best for his country as he sees it. He may be wrong. But he is not a repulsive apologist or traitor and he disgraces no-one. Your post, on the other hand.....MaxPB said:
It certainly looks that way. In asking for the power to reverse the public vote, Grieve showed his true colours and his true agenda. He is a repulsive Brussels apologist who disgraces our party and our country.GIN1138 said:Half an hour in to PMQ's and still no questions about today's vote.
Theresa's won it hasn't she?
The single thing I hate most about the EU referendum has been the way otherwise apparently sensible people have lost the ability to understand the concept of the honest and legitimate disagreement. Taking a different view frome one’s own does not thereby mean that the person doing so is somehow evil. There are plenty on here on both sides who might like to reflect on that. And I apologise in advance if that makes me sound pompous. But some threads are well nigh unbearable with all the “traitor”, “remoaner”, “xenophobe” abuse.
If only you could overcome your xocolatophobia...
But I have now given up coffee. So perhaps you could see your way to forgiving me .......0 -
I could not care less who his parents are or where he was educated. Unlike Ms Patel he understands the importance of not lying, which is rather more important than his mother’s nationality.Nigelb said:
Dominic Grieve is a British as Mr. Punch - to whom he bears a passing resemblance...Cyclefree said:
Unbelievable. On her own basis, Priti Patel should be described as a Ugandan. What is wrong with these people?TOPPING said:
This message is supported and endorsed by @Elliot.williamglenn said:
Priti Patel’s fan club won’t tolerate anyone with foreign parents.TheScreamingEagles said:
Grieve's mother is French.Elliot said:
Dominic Grieve being president of the Anglo-French society and taking the Legion d'Honeur is his ethnic background? Whatever you say.TheScreamingEagles said:
I'm mocking you in the same manner that you condemn Dominic Grieve.Elliot said:
So you're a racist that judges people on their genetics rather than their actions.TheScreamingEagles said:
So you're doing the Ayatollah's work to divide the West.Elliot said:
I'm British. My father is Iranian. I was born and brought up here. I wasn't educated by the Iranian government despite access to UK schools, I haven't taken any honours from the Iranian government and I'm not the president of any pro-Iranian organisations.TheScreamingEagles said:
I bet you got your knickers in a twist when Lord Sugar disgracefully mentioned Gisela Stuart's background in the run up to the referendum?Elliot said:
Aren't you part Iranian? Are we sure your support for Leave is to ensure the little great Satan is divided by Brexit.
Other than that, good point.
Noted.
Noted.
Light bends around you.
Another British politician with a foreign born mother was awarded Légion d'Honneur, but I guess you'll be condemning Sir Winston Churchill too, after all he was in favour of a political union with France.
https://twitter.com/pritipatel4pm/status/1008695196970823681?s=21
Edited: I see that @Tissue_Price has pointed out that it’s not Ms Patel’s tweet. Her supporters should be ashamed of themselves.0 -
+1. I get very tired of personal abuse on both sides on this debate. It really doesn't help.Cyclefree said:
I don’t like to get personal. But, really, Max: do grow up. Grieve is a distinguished thoughtful lawyer and Parliamentarian, who has been a loss to the Cabinet, and who is trying to do the best for his country as he sees it. He may be wrong. But he is not a repulsive apologist or traitor and he disgraces no-one. Your post, on the other hand.....MaxPB said:
It certainly looks that way. In asking for the power to reverse the public vote, Grieve showed his true colours and his true agenda. He is a repulsive Brussels apologist who disgraces our party and our country.GIN1138 said:Half an hour in to PMQ's and still no questions about today's vote.
Theresa's won it hasn't she?
The single thing I hate most about the EU referendum has been the way otherwise apparently sensible people have lost the ability to understand the concept of the honest and legitimate disagreement. Taking a different view frome one’s own does not thereby mean that the person doing so is somehow evil. There are plenty on here on both sides who might like to reflect on that. And I apologise in advance if that makes me sound pompous. But some threads are well nigh unbearable with all the “traitor”, “remoaner”, “xenophobe” abuse.0 -
It's not her tweet.Cyclefree said:
I could not care less who his parents are or where he was educated. Unlike Ms Patel he understands the importance of not lying, which is rather more important than his mother’s nationality. Priti Patel should be ashamed of that tweet.Nigelb said:
Dominic Grieve is a British as Mr. Punch - to whom he bears a passing resemblance...Cyclefree said:
Unbelievable. On her own basis, Priti Patel should be described as a Ugandan. What is wrong with these people?TOPPING said:
This message is supported and endorsed by @Elliot.williamglenn said:
Priti Patel’s fan club won’t tolerate anyone with foreign parents.TheScreamingEagles said:
Grieve's mother is French.Elliot said:
Dominic Grieve being president of the Anglo-French society and taking the Legion d'Honeur is his ethnic background? Whatever you say.TheScreamingEagles said:
I'm mocking you in the same manner that you condemn Dominic Grieve.Elliot said:
So you're a racist that judges people on their genetics rather than their actions.TheScreamingEagles said:
So you're doing the Ayatollah's work to divide the West.Elliot said:
I'm British. My father is Iranian. I was born and brought up here. I wasn't educated by the Iranian government despite access to UK schools, I haven't taken any honours from the Iranian government and I'm not the president of any pro-Iranian organisations.TheScreamingEagles said:
I bet you got your knickers in a twist when Lord Sugar disgracefully mentioned Gisela Stuart's background in the run up to the referendum?Elliot said:
Aren't you part Iranian? Are we sure your support for Leave is to ensure the little great Satan is divided by Brexit.
Other than that, good point.
Noted.
Noted.
Light bends around you.
Another British politician with a foreign born mother was awarded Légion d'Honneur, but I guess you'll be condemning Sir Winston Churchill too, after all he was in favour of a political union with France.
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As has already been mentioned I am pretty sure that is not Patel's twitter feed. Some deluded supporter I suspect.Cyclefree said:
I could not care less who his parents are or where he was educated. Unlike Ms Patel he understands the importance of not lying, which is rather more important than his mother’s nationality. Priti Patel should be ashamed of that tweet.Nigelb said:
Dominic Grieve is a British as Mr. Punch - to whom he bears a passing resemblance...Cyclefree said:
Unbelievable. On her own basis, Priti Patel should be described as a Ugandan. What is wrong with these people?TOPPING said:
This message is supported and endorsed by @Elliot.williamglenn said:
Priti Patel’s fan club won’t tolerate anyone with foreign parents.TheScreamingEagles said:
Grieve's mother is French.Elliot said:
Dominic Grieve being president of the Anglo-French society and taking the Legion d'Honeur is his ethnic background? Whatever you say.TheScreamingEagles said:
I'm mocking you in the same manner that you condemn Dominic Grieve.Elliot said:
So you're a racist that judges people on their genetics rather than their actions.TheScreamingEagles said:
So you're doing the Ayatollah's work to divide the West.Elliot said:
I'm British. My father is Iranian. I was born and brought up here. I wasn't educated by the Iranian government despite access to UK schools, I haven't taken any honours from the Iranian government and I'm not the president of any pro-Iranian organisations.TheScreamingEagles said:
I bet you got your knickers in a twist when Lord Sugar disgracefully mentioned Gisela Stuart's background in the run up to the referendum?Elliot said:
Aren't you part Iranian? Are we sure your support for Leave is to ensure the little great Satan is divided by Brexit.
Other than that, good point.
Noted.
Noted.
Light bends around you.
Another British politician with a foreign born mother was awarded Légion d'Honneur, but I guess you'll be condemning Sir Winston Churchill too, after all he was in favour of a political union with France.
https://twitter.com/pritipatel4pm/status/1008695196970823681?s=210 -
Thanks. Have edited my post.Tissue_Price said:
That's not Priti's tweet and I doubt she would share its sentiments.Cyclefree said:Unbelievable. On her own basis, Priti Patel should be described as a Ugandan. What is wrong with these people?
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Cyclefree said:
Unbelievable. On her own basis, Priti Patel should be described as a Ugandan. What is wrong with these people?TOPPING said:
This message is supported and endorsed by @Elliot.williamglenn said:
Priti Patel’s fan club won’t tolerate anyone with foreign parents.TheScreamingEagles said:
Grieve's mother is French.Elliot said:
Dominic Grieve being president of the Anglo-French society and taking the Legion d'Honeur is his ethnic background? Whatever you say.TheScreamingEagles said:
I'm mocking you in the same manner that you condemn Dominic Grieve.Elliot said:
So you're a racist that judges people on their genetics rather than their actions.TheScreamingEagles said:
So you're doing the Ayatollah's work to divide the West.Elliot said:
I'm British. My father is Iranian. I was born and brought up here. I wasn't educated by the Iranian government despite access to UK schools, I haven't taken any honours from the Iranian government and I'm not the president of any pro-Iranian organisations.TheScreamingEagles said:
I bet you got your knickers in a twist when Lord Sugar disgracefully mentioned Gisela Stuart's background in the run up to the referendum?Elliot said:
The trampling on parliamentary procedures entails the rebels arguing parliament should usurp executive powers from the executive and the Lords overruling the Commons on a manifesto commitment. These are people more loyal to the EU than the British constitution.tpfkar said:Looking at the way the Government are playing silly buggers with the shared amendment, refusing to pair, and that written minsterial statement, I really hope they lose by exactly 1 vote.
That way, it's all blamed on them ducking the vote from the previous week, when the Lewisham East MP wasn't there. They've trampled so much on parliamentary procedures and their own promises, there deserves to be some real comeback.
No surprise when some of them are part of the French republican peerage.
Aren't you part Iranian? Are we sure your support for Leave is to ensure the little great Satan is divided by Brexit.
Other than that, good point.
Noted.
Noted.
Light bends around you.
Another British politician with a foreign born mother was awarded Légion d'Honneur, but I guess you'll be condemning Sir Winston Churchill too, after all he was in favour of a political union with France.
https://twitter.com/pritipatel4pm/status/1008695196970823681?s=21
Parody account of some kind.
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I'm, usually, trolling/goading the ardent remainers on PB.Cyclefree said:
I don’t like to get personal. But, really, Max: do grow up. Grieve is a distinguished thoughtful lawyer and Parliamentarian, who has been a loss to the Cabinet, and who is trying to do the best for his country as he sees it. He may be wrong. But he is not a repulsive apologist or traitor and he disgraces no-one. Your post, on the other hand.....MaxPB said:
It certainly looks that way. In asking for the power to reverse the public vote, Grieve showed his true colours and his true agenda. He is a repulsive Brussels apologist who disgraces our party and our country.GIN1138 said:Half an hour in to PMQ's and still no questions about today's vote.
Theresa's won it hasn't she?
The single thing I hate most about the EU referendum has been the way otherwise apparently sensible people have lost the ability to understand the concept of the honest and legitimate disagreement. Taking a different view frome one’s own does not thereby mean that the person doing so is somehow evil. There are plenty on here on both sides who might like to reflect on that. And I apologise in advance if that makes me sound pompous. But some threads are well nigh unbearable with all the “traitor”, “remoaner”, “xenophobe” abuse.
I said before I really do believe that Grieve is a traitor, however I think the rest of them are just misguided. It's not his background or his mum's citizenship (which I didn't know about until someone here pointed it out) but his actions in Parliament. He has systematically undermined the British negotiating position while strengthening our opponent's. For that he has crossed the line. You may not believe in leaving, you may not agree with it, however, everyone in this country should be agreed that the UK needs to negotiate from a position of strength, Grieve has proven with his actions time and again he doesn't believe that. The logical conclusion is that he serves another master.0 -
And meDavidL said:
+1. I get very tired of personal abuse on both sides on this debate. It really doesn't help.Cyclefree said:
I don’t like to get personal. But, really, Max: do grow up. Grieve is a distinguished thoughtful lawyer and Parliamentarian, who has been a loss to the Cabinet, and who is trying to do the best for his country as he sees it. He may be wrong. But he is not a repulsive apologist or traitor and he disgraces no-one. Your post, on the other hand.....MaxPB said:
It certainly looks that way. In asking for the power to reverse the public vote, Grieve showed his true colours and his true agenda. He is a repulsive Brussels apologist who disgraces our party and our country.GIN1138 said:Half an hour in to PMQ's and still no questions about today's vote.
Theresa's won it hasn't she?
The single thing I hate most about the EU referendum has been the way otherwise apparently sensible people have lost the ability to understand the concept of the honest and legitimate disagreement. Taking a different view frome one’s own does not thereby mean that the person doing so is somehow evil. There are plenty on here on both sides who might like to reflect on that. And I apologise in advance if that makes me sound pompous. But some threads are well nigh unbearable with all the “traitor”, “remoaner”, “xenophobe” abuse.0
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