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What comes closest to your view on how well Brexit is going? All Brits: 10% well, 73% badly Remain: 5% well, 85% badlyLeave: 16% well, 70% badlyhttps://t.co/XV0uSCHH6y pic.twitter.com/0MM6LGCtxg
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First like Tessy once low expectations have been very slightly exceeded.0
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has there been any polling on what type of brexit most people want?0
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FPT:
Labour were in a worse position than that in the polls between 2015-17 and Corbyn didn’t go anywhere. Corbyn’s supporters will point to the Survation poll which came out yesterday, and to last GE. Only three years ago Tories were so excited by the prospect of a Corbyn led Labour Party there was ‘Tories 4 Corbyn’ and now you get the sense some want the party to be led by someone like Woodcock. How times change....MarqueeMark said:
Even the Labour Party is going to work out that Corbyn is sending them down to yet another defeat. I said at the start of this year that it would get interesting if the Tories were on 43%, Labour 35%. Well......Dura_Ace said:
Every tory should go down on their arthritic knees and make an offering to Cthulhu, the tutelary deity of the Conservative and Unionist Party, for the continuing good health of J. Corbyn.MarqueeMark said:Tories with a 7 point lead over Labour perhaps says as much about the shambles that Corbyn Labour is on the EU as the Govt.'s shambles.....
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' A big shout out to the 4% who thought Brexit would go badly but think it is going well. '
Looks like they sampled Cameron and Osborne.0 -
The public don’t really care about the process of Brexit. What will matter is when we leave, how the way we Brexit impacts people. That is what has the potential into influence votes.
LOL.another_richard said:' A big shout out to the 4% who thought Brexit would go badly but think it is going well. '
Looks like they sampled Cameron and Osborne.0 -
The Survation poll that still had the Tories ahead?The_Apocalypse said:FPT:
Labour were in a worse position than that in the polls between 2015-17 and Corbyn didn’t go anywhere. Corbyn’s supporters will point to the Survation poll which came out yesterday, and to last GE. Only three years ago Tories were so excited by the prospect of a Corbyn led Labour Party there was ‘Tories 4 Corbyn’ and now you get the sense some want the party to be led by someone like Woodcock. How times change....MarqueeMark said:
Even the Labour Party is going to work out that Corbyn is sending them down to yet another defeat. I said at the start of this year that it would get interesting if the Tories were on 43%, Labour 35%. Well......Dura_Ace said:
Every tory should go down on their arthritic knees and make an offering to Cthulhu, the tutelary deity of the Conservative and Unionist Party, for the continuing good health of J. Corbyn.MarqueeMark said:Tories with a 7 point lead over Labour perhaps says as much about the shambles that Corbyn Labour is on the EU as the Govt.'s shambles.....
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The 4% = "who thought Brexit would go badly..." = "I bet the B*****ds will sell us out and we won't leave" + ".. but think its going well" = "... but now its going so badly we'll end up with No Deal so hurrah". Or else they didn't understand the question.another_richard said:' A big shout out to the 4% who thought Brexit would go badly but think it is going well. '
Looks like they sampled Cameron and Osborne.0 -
Remain voters think Brexit is going badly as we are leaving the single market and customs union, most Leave voters think Brexit is going badly as we have to pay an exit bill and have regulatory alignment to get any sort of FTA with the EU and resolve the Irish border issue and as we are having a transition period rather than ending free movement immediately after Brexit.
It is not very easy to reconcile the two0 -
Yes, you can check twitter if you don’t believe me. Several of his supporters are pointing to that poll.HYUFD said:
The Survation poll that still had the Tories ahead?The_Apocalypse said:FPT:
Labour were in a worse position than that in the polls between 2015-17 and Corbyn didn’t go anywhere. Corbyn’s supporters will point to the Survation poll which came out yesterday, and to last GE. Only three years ago Tories were so excited by the prospect of a Corbyn led Labour Party there was ‘Tories 4 Corbyn’ and now you get the sense some want the party to be led by someone like Woodcock. How times change....MarqueeMark said:
Even the Labour Party is going to work out that Corbyn is sending them down to yet another defeat. I said at the start of this year that it would get interesting if the Tories were on 43%, Labour 35%. Well......Dura_Ace said:
Every tory should go down on their arthritic knees and make an offering to Cthulhu, the tutelary deity of the Conservative and Unionist Party, for the continuing good health of J. Corbyn.MarqueeMark said:Tories with a 7 point lead over Labour perhaps says as much about the shambles that Corbyn Labour is on the EU as the Govt.'s shambles.....
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Whilst critics of Mrs May might use these findings to criticise her these findings could help her.
With expectations very low on Brexit a moderately successful deal on Brexit has the potential to be seen a very good deal which leads to boost for Mrs May and the Tories.
Ever the Tory optimist, Mr Eagles. The promises from the Brexiters were that there would be no downside. Mrs May has assumed the mantle of the diehard Brexiters - more fool she! - and she will get the blame. For her, there is no way out of this messy disaster of her own devising.0 -
Grasping at straws then as Survation was the only pollster to underestimate the Tory lead at the last general electionThe_Apocalypse said:
Yes, you can check twitter if you don’t believe me. Several of his supporters are pointing to that poll.HYUFD said:
The Survation poll that still had the Tories ahead?The_Apocalypse said:FPT:
Labour were in a worse position than that in the polls between 2015-17 and Corbyn didn’t go anywhere. Corbyn’s supporters will point to the Survation poll which came out yesterday, and to last GE. Only three years ago Tories were so excited by the prospect of a Corbyn led Labour Party there was ‘Tories 4 Corbyn’ and now you get the sense some want the party to be led by someone like Woodcock. How times change....MarqueeMark said:
Even the Labour Party is going to work out that Corbyn is sending them down to yet another defeat. I said at the start of this year that it would get interesting if the Tories were on 43%, Labour 35%. Well......Dura_Ace said:
Every tory should go down on their arthritic knees and make an offering to Cthulhu, the tutelary deity of the Conservative and Unionist Party, for the continuing good health of J. Corbyn.MarqueeMark said:Tories with a 7 point lead over Labour perhaps says as much about the shambles that Corbyn Labour is on the EU as the Govt.'s shambles.....
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I guess the unasked question is: what does good look like?0
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Good afternoon, everyone.
I wonder if this coupled with other polling indicates the electorate thinks little of the Government, and less of the Opposition.0 -
Good in this case surely, is Go Back to Go.AlastairMeeks said:I guess the unasked question is: what does good look like?
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kjohnw said:
has there been any polling on what type of brexit most people want?
a) No Brexit
b) Red White and Blue
c) 27 Shades of Grey
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There was no easy way out for T May following the GE result. The campaign was awful and the result was devastating. She has no long-term future as leader. I do however, admire her effort to get a fair Brexit which reflects the result of the vote. I am unconvinced that any of the alternatives available then or even now could really have done much better. She is operating against the largely hostile metropolitan media on the one hand and extremists on both sides within her party. Labour is massively split on the issue. The SNP are only concerned with independence and no other party has any traction with the public mood. Brexit will happen - it will be a fudge leaving the UK with some element of control over immigration. there will probably be something of an economic hit and then an adjustment before everyone moves on.PClipp said:Whilst critics of Mrs May might use these findings to criticise her these findings could help her.
With expectations very low on Brexit a moderately successful deal on Brexit has the potential to be seen a very good deal which leads to boost for Mrs May and the Tories.
Ever the Tory optimist, Mr Eagles. The promises from the Brexiters were that there would be no downside. Mrs May has assumed the mantle of the diehard Brexiters - more fool she! - and she will get the blame. For her, there is no way out of this messy disaster of her own devising.0 -
While the promise of Remainers was doom, disaster and no strawberries in the supermarkets.PClipp said:Whilst critics of Mrs May might use these findings to criticise her these findings could help her.
With expectations very low on Brexit a moderately successful deal on Brexit has the potential to be seen a very good deal which leads to boost for Mrs May and the Tories.
Ever the Tory optimist, Mr Eagles. The promises from the Brexiters were that there would be no downside. Mrs May has assumed the mantle of the diehard Brexiters - more fool she! - and she will get the blame. For her, there is no way out of this messy disaster of her own devising.
So she would get the reward.
Lets face it whatever happens you will say its a failure and whatever happens you're never going to vote Conservative.
Meanwhile most people assume all politicians are liars and/or incompetents and don't believe a word of their promises in any case.0 -
The answer is undoubtedly - meh.AlastairMeeks said:I guess the unasked question is: what does good look like?
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Odd thing is that the table shows a lot more people saying they expected Brexit to go badly than well. Now that could be sampling, it could be that lots expected short-term pain for long-term gain, but it could be a sign of a move towards a world where Brexit is like the Iraq war, where nobody admits to having supported it at the time.0
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Political polling suggests that a firm 40+% of voters will have no truck with an extreme left-wing Labour party.Morris_Dancer said:Good afternoon, everyone.
I wonder if this coupled with other polling indicates the electorate thinks little of the Government, and less of the Opposition.0 -
No - I think many of the Brexiters I argued against among family and friends said that they were not voting about money when they made their choice. I felt their fears about the UK were wrong but none expected to be better off financially as a result. Just as well really.Stuartinromford said:Odd thing is that the table shows a lot more people saying they expected Brexit to go badly than well. Now that could be sampling, it could be that lots expected short-term pain for long-term gain, but it could be a sign of a move towards a world where Brexit is like the Iraq war, where nobody admits to having supported it at the time.
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Should scare you shitless then that 40% are willing to give it a shot.felix said:
Political polling suggests that a firm 40+% of voters will have no truck with an extreme left-wing Labour party.Morris_Dancer said:Good afternoon, everyone.
I wonder if this coupled with other polling indicates the electorate thinks little of the Government, and less of the Opposition.
It certainly surprised me at the last GE.
I always thought 25% would be the most even a left wing Labour Party would achieve.0 -
The one proviso I see about the people assuming all politicians are liars are that a few specific issues which are so fundamental that they don't expect a political party ever to betray on them.another_richard said:
While the promise of Remainers was doom, disaster and no strawberries in the supermarkets.PClipp said:Whilst critics of Mrs May might use these findings to criticise her these findings could help her.
With expectations very low on Brexit a moderately successful deal on Brexit has the potential to be seen a very good deal which leads to boost for Mrs May and the Tories.
Ever the Tory optimist, Mr Eagles. The promises from the Brexiters were that there would be no downside. Mrs May has assumed the mantle of the diehard Brexiters - more fool she! - and she will get the blame. For her, there is no way out of this messy disaster of her own devising.
So she would get the reward.
Lets face it whatever happens you will say its a failure and whatever happens you're never going to vote Conservative.
Meanwhile most people assume all politicians are liars and/or incompetents and don't believe a word of their promises in any case.
For example nobody thinks that Labour would privatise the NHS or the Conservatives would unilaterally nuclear disarm or the SNP would oppose Scottish independence.
Or that the LibDems would triple student tuition fees.
And so the LibDems give a good example of what happens to a political party which fundamentally betrays its voters.
I don't expect any other party to follow likewise.0 -
It does - and I was likewise surprised. However, it does not mean that the 'one more heave' theory will prevail - polling since the GE would suggest we are at 'Peak Corbyn' at best and maybe below it at worst. Remember the campaign was awful and the result was heavily influenced by the Brexit divide.Yorkcity said:
Should scare you shirtless then that 40% are willing to give it a shot.felix said:
Political polling suggests that a firm 40+% of voters will have no truck with an extreme left-wing Labour party.Morris_Dancer said:Good afternoon, everyone.
I wonder if this coupled with other polling indicates the electorate thinks little of the Government, and less of the Opposition.
It certainly surprised me at the last GE.
I always thought 25% would be the most even a left wing Labour Party would achieve.0 -
Truth is most of the public really is not ideological.Yorkcity said:
Should scare you shitless then that 40% are willing to give it a shot.felix said:
Political polling suggests that a firm 40+% of voters will have no truck with an extreme left-wing Labour party.Morris_Dancer said:Good afternoon, everyone.
I wonder if this coupled with other polling indicates the electorate thinks little of the Government, and less of the Opposition.
It certainly surprised me at the last GE.
I always thought 25% would be the most even a left wing Labour Party would achieve.0 -
England are absolutely pummelling the Springboks in the egg chasing.
24-3 in less than 18 minutes.0 -
Who are these impostors playing rugby for England in South Africa.0
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73% think Brexit is going badly yet badly anyone has changed their minds on it. Interesting.0
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There seems to be 20-25% who want to nationalise everything - supermarkets, car factories, travel agencies - according to the opinion polls.Yorkcity said:
Should scare you shitless then that 40% are willing to give it a shot.felix said:
Political polling suggests that a firm 40+% of voters will have no truck with an extreme left-wing Labour party.Morris_Dancer said:Good afternoon, everyone.
I wonder if this coupled with other polling indicates the electorate thinks little of the Government, and less of the Opposition.
It certainly surprised me at the last GE.
I always thought 25% would be the most even a left wing Labour Party would achieve.
Now add on those who have little to lose from a Corbyn government or those who expect to be protected and it amounts up to quite a lot.
And then add on some more for Labour loyalists and Conservative haters.0 -
Not quitenunuone said:73% think Brexit is going badly yet badly anyone has changed their minds on it. Interesting.
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A better question is who were the impostors playing rugby for England in February and March.tlg86 said:Who are these impostors playing rugby for England in South Africa.
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You could be correct , but I never thought they would turn out to vote , at that level.another_richard said:
There seems to be 20-25% who want to nationalise everything - supermarkets, car factories, travel agencies - according to the opinion polls.Yorkcity said:
Should scare you shitless then that 40% are willing to give it a shot.felix said:
Political polling suggests that a firm 40+% of voters will have no truck with an extreme left-wing Labour party.Morris_Dancer said:Good afternoon, everyone.
I wonder if this coupled with other polling indicates the electorate thinks little of the Government, and less of the Opposition.
It certainly surprised me at the last GE.
I always thought 25% would be the most even a left wing Labour Party would achieve.
Now add on those who have little to lose from a Corbyn government or those who expect to be protected and it amounts up to quite a lot.
And then add on some more for Labour loyalists and Conservative haters.
There must be plenty pissed off , with current arrangements , even with unemployment so low
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But the question isn't really asking about finances- just is it going well or badly in general. It's a shame the "don't know" box isn't split between good and bad expectations.felix said:
No - I think many of the Brexiters I argued against among family and friends said that they were not voting about money when they made their choice. I felt their fears about the UK were wrong but none expected to be better off financially as a result. Just as well really.Stuartinromford said:Odd thing is that the table shows a lot more people saying they expected Brexit to go badly than well. Now that could be sampling, it could be that lots expected short-term pain for long-term gain, but it could be a sign of a move towards a world where Brexit is like the Iraq war, where nobody admits to having supported it at the time.
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The thing that Brexit is still missing is a Tony Blairesque hate figure who the public can turn into the fall guy. The prime candidates are still playing pass the parcel hoping it won't be them.nunuone said:
Suggests only when negative consequences are actually experienced outside the E U will Leavers change their minds.nunuone said:73% think Brexit is going badly yet badly anyone has changed their minds on it. Interesting.
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Worth noting that whilst there was some chat on the prior thread about the UK not endearing itself to the EU during this process, the reverse is also true.
So, in answer to Mr. Glenn's point about a hate figure, it's possible that will, collectively, be the EU. A crucial aspect for future polling and public sentiment is who gets the blame for anything going wrong.
If the public are disenchanted with the Government but believe the EU has been deliberately intransigent, obstructive and unreasonable, they may blame the EU. For the domestic political atmosphere, that might prove better than deepening the trench warfare.0 -
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Unemployment is a big issue when its high or when its increasing rapidly.Yorkcity said:
You could be correct , but I never thought they would turn out to vote , at that level.another_richard said:
There seems to be 20-25% who want to nationalise everything - supermarkets, car factories, travel agencies - according to the opinion polls.Yorkcity said:
Should scare you shitless then that 40% are willing to give it a shot.felix said:
Political polling suggests that a firm 40+% of voters will have no truck with an extreme left-wing Labour party.Morris_Dancer said:Good afternoon, everyone.
I wonder if this coupled with other polling indicates the electorate thinks little of the Government, and less of the Opposition.
It certainly surprised me at the last GE.
I always thought 25% would be the most even a left wing Labour Party would achieve.
Now add on those who have little to lose from a Corbyn government or those who expect to be protected and it amounts up to quite a lot.
And then add on some more for Labour loyalists and Conservative haters.
There must be plenty pissed off , with current arrangements , even with unemployment so low
When it isn't what people want is a nice pay rise and many people have been missing out of that for the last decade.
And there's no shortage or people who are leaving university £50k in debt or who are still renting a room in their thirties.0 -
Now that the “ideologues” begins Brexit are pretty much all saying Brexit is crap it can only be a matter of time before the public follow suit.TheScreamingEagles said:
Not quitenunuone said:73% think Brexit is going badly yet badly anyone has changed their minds on it. Interesting.
https://twitter.com/YouGov/status/10050647606505349120 -
40% of the population have no idea how much worse they would have it if crazy socialists were ever allowed to seize power. Depressing times.Yorkcity said:
You could be correct , but I never thought they would turn out to vote , at that level.another_richard said:
There seems to be 20-25% who want to nationalise everything - supermarkets, car factories, travel agencies - according to the opinion polls.Yorkcity said:
Should scare you shitless then that 40% are willing to give it a shot.felix said:
Political polling suggests that a firm 40+% of voters will have no truck with an extreme left-wing Labour party.Morris_Dancer said:Good afternoon, everyone.
I wonder if this coupled with other polling indicates the electorate thinks little of the Government, and less of the Opposition.
It certainly surprised me at the last GE.
I always thought 25% would be the most even a left wing Labour Party would achieve.
Now add on those who have little to lose from a Corbyn government or those who expect to be protected and it amounts up to quite a lot.
And then add on some more for Labour loyalists and Conservative haters.
There must be plenty pissed off , with current arrangements , even with unemployment so low0 -
Looks like the lot from Feb/March have turned up.another_richard said:
A better question is who were the impostors playing rugby for England in February and March.tlg86 said:Who are these impostors playing rugby for England in South Africa.
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I'll laugh like a drain if Brexit leads to the UK ultimately rejoining the EU and signing up to the Euro.Gardenwalker said:
Now that the “ideologues” begins Brexit are pretty much all saying Brexit is crap it can only be a matter of time before the public follow suit.TheScreamingEagles said:
Not quitenunuone said:73% think Brexit is going badly yet badly anyone has changed their minds on it. Interesting.
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England are being Brexit shite now.0
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I think Currystar is correct, though, that very strong employment growth is one factor that buttresses Tory support. Not having to worry about finding a job is a major source of happiness. Back in the eighties, Labour led by about 40% on this issue. Now, the parties are level-pegging.another_richard said:
Unemployment is a big issue when its high or when its increasing rapidly.Yorkcity said:
You could be correct , but I never thought they would turn out to vote , at that level.another_richard said:
There seems to be 20-25% who want to nationalise everything - supermarkets, car factories, travel agencies - according to the opinion polls.Yorkcity said:
Should scare you shitless then that 40% are willing to give it a shot.felix said:
Political polling suggests that a firm 40+% of voters will have no truck with an extreme left-wing Labour party.Morris_Dancer said:Good afternoon, everyone.
I wonder if this coupled with other polling indicates the electorate thinks little of the Government, and less of the Opposition.
It certainly surprised me at the last GE.
I always thought 25% would be the most even a left wing Labour Party would achieve.
Now add on those who have little to lose from a Corbyn government or those who expect to be protected and it amounts up to quite a lot.
And then add on some more for Labour loyalists and Conservative haters.
There must be plenty pissed off , with current arrangements , even with unemployment so low
When it isn't what people want is a nice pay rise and many people have been missing out of that for the last decade.
And there's no shortage or people who are leaving university £50k in debt or who are still renting a room in their thirties.0 -
Certainly - life is very good for lots of people at the moment.Sean_F said:
I think Currystar is correct, though, that very strong employment growth is one factor that buttresses Tory support. Not having to worry about finding a job is a major source of happiness. Back in the eighties, Labour led by about 40% on this issue. Now, the parties are level-pegging.another_richard said:
Unemployment is a big issue when its high or when its increasing rapidly.Yorkcity said:
You could be correct , but I never thought they would turn out to vote , at that level.another_richard said:
There seems to be 20-25% who want to nationalise everything - supermarkets, car factories, travel agencies - according to the opinion polls.Yorkcity said:
Should scare you shitless then that 40% are willing to give it a shot.felix said:
Political polling suggests that a firm 40+% of voters will have no truck with an extreme left-wing Labour party.Morris_Dancer said:Good afternoon, everyone.
I wonder if this coupled with other polling indicates the electorate thinks little of the Government, and less of the Opposition.
It certainly surprised me at the last GE.
I always thought 25% would be the most even a left wing Labour Party would achieve.
Now add on those who have little to lose from a Corbyn government or those who expect to be protected and it amounts up to quite a lot.
And then add on some more for Labour loyalists and Conservative haters.
There must be plenty pissed off , with current arrangements , even with unemployment so low
When it isn't what people want is a nice pay rise and many people have been missing out of that for the last decade.
And there's no shortage or people who are leaving university £50k in debt or who are still renting a room in their thirties.
I wonder if there is some psychological effect from all the construction work taking place - even if it has nothing to do with you it gives the impression of 'progress' and 'future prosperity'. It provides a counterbalance to the images of boarded up shops.0 -
When is your appointment? Someone had to ask...AlastairMeeks said:Posted without comment:
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Yup - I think the difference now is that these blocks have grown back to levels of the 60s and seem immovable.stodge said:
Political polling also suggests 40%+ of voters will have no truck with the Conservative Party.felix said:
Political polling suggests that a firm 40+% of voters will have no truck with an extreme left-wing Labour party.0 -
Perhaps running an utterly crap campaign was all part of Osborne's masterplan to get the UK into the Euro.TheScreamingEagles said:
I'll laugh like a drain if Brexit leads to the UK ultimately rejoining the EU and signing up to the Euro.Gardenwalker said:
Now that the “ideologues” begins Brexit are pretty much all saying Brexit is crap it can only be a matter of time before the public follow suit.TheScreamingEagles said:
Not quitenunuone said:73% think Brexit is going badly yet badly anyone has changed their minds on it. Interesting.
https://twitter.com/YouGov/status/1005064760650534912
Or perhaps not.0 -
UKIP really are a bunch of tossers, I expect soon they'll be proscribed like Combat 18.
https://twitter.com/GerardBattenMEP/status/10054487149353287690 -
Yes true , I live in York Outer .another_richard said:
Unemployment is a big issue when its high or when its increasing rapidly.Yorkcity said:
You could be correct , but I never thought they would turn out to vote , at that level.another_richard said:
There seems to be 20-25% who want to nationalise everything - supermarkets, car factories, travel agencies - according to the opinion polls.Yorkcity said:
Should scare you shitless then that 40% are willing to give it a shot.felix said:
Political polling suggests that a firm 40+% of voters will have no truck with an extreme left-wing Labour party.Morris_Dancer said:Good afternoon, everyone.
I wonder if this coupled with other polling indicates the electorate thinks little of the Government, and less of the Opposition.
It certainly surprised me at the last GE.
I always thought 25% would be the most even a left wing Labour Party would achieve.
Now add on those who have little to lose from a Corbyn government or those who expect to be protected and it amounts up to quite a lot.
And then add on some more for Labour loyalists and Conservative haters.
There must be plenty pissed off , with current arrangements , even with unemployment so low
When it isn't what people want is a nice pay rise and many people have been missing out of that for the last decade.
And there's no shortage or people who are leaving university £50k in debt or who are still renting a room in their thirties.
My neighbours have extended the house twice, as their sons , both working in their mid twenties are still living there.
Labour posters in both their bedrooms at last GE.
York central has been Labour since 1992, but the spread to the suburbs of York, surprised me.
As even Blair did no good around here.
Housing problems are a major concern for many families.0 -
Speaking personally this would be ideal for emigres like myself. However it seems highly unlikley.TheScreamingEagles said:
I'll laugh like a drain if Brexit leads to the UK ultimately rejoining the EU and signing up to the Euro.Gardenwalker said:
Now that the “ideologues” begins Brexit are pretty much all saying Brexit is crap it can only be a matter of time before the public follow suit.TheScreamingEagles said:
Not quitenunuone said:73% think Brexit is going badly yet badly anyone has changed their minds on it. Interesting.
https://twitter.com/YouGov/status/10050647606505349120 -
If Brexit turns into an economic slump then it could happen.felix said:
Speaking personally this would be ideal for emigres like myself. However it seems highly unlikley.TheScreamingEagles said:
I'll laugh like a drain if Brexit leads to the UK ultimately rejoining the EU and signing up to the Euro.Gardenwalker said:
Now that the “ideologues” begins Brexit are pretty much all saying Brexit is crap it can only be a matter of time before the public follow suit.TheScreamingEagles said:
Not quitenunuone said:73% think Brexit is going badly yet badly anyone has changed their minds on it. Interesting.
https://twitter.com/YouGov/status/1005064760650534912
As we saw with the dementia tax, voters don't like the prospect of becoming poorer.0 -
Morrissey , has sympathy also for Tommy Robinson.TheScreamingEagles said:UKIP really are a bunch of tossers, I expect soon they'll be proscribed like Combat 18.
https://twitter.com/GerardBattenMEP/status/1005448714935328769
https://www.theguardian.com/music/2018/jun/07/morrissey-expresses-sympathy-for-jailed-edl-founder-tommy-robinson0 -
The most unlikely aspect of that scenario is the idea that the UK would rejoin. The UK will be dismembered and the constituent parts will adopt the Euro.felix said:
Speaking personally this would be ideal for emigres like myself. However it seems highly unlikley.TheScreamingEagles said:
I'll laugh like a drain if Brexit leads to the UK ultimately rejoining the EU and signing up to the Euro.Gardenwalker said:
Now that the “ideologues” begins Brexit are pretty much all saying Brexit is crap it can only be a matter of time before the public follow suit.TheScreamingEagles said:
Not quitenunuone said:73% think Brexit is going badly yet badly anyone has changed their minds on it. Interesting.
https://twitter.com/YouGov/status/1005064760650534912
If there were a border poll during the transition deal, Northern Ireland would obviously join the Euro, and it would be the ideal time for either Great Britain or an independent Scotland and the former Kingdom of England to re-accede to the EU.0 -
Well Boris is now predicting a “meltdown”.TheScreamingEagles said:
If Brexit turns into an economic slump then it could happen.felix said:
Speaking personally this would be ideal for emigres like myself. However it seems highly unlikley.TheScreamingEagles said:
I'll laugh like a drain if Brexit leads to the UK ultimately rejoining the EU and signing up to the Euro.Gardenwalker said:
Now that the “ideologues” begins Brexit are pretty much all saying Brexit is crap it can only be a matter of time before the public follow suit.TheScreamingEagles said:
Not quitenunuone said:73% think Brexit is going badly yet badly anyone has changed their minds on it. Interesting.
https://twitter.com/YouGov/status/1005064760650534912
As we saw with the dementia tax, voters don't like the prospect of becoming poorer.
But we shouldn’t panic, apparently. No need to worry our pretty little heads.0 -
Support for Tommy Robinson is a 'moron detector'Yorkcity said:
Morrissey , has sympathy also for Tommy Robinson.TheScreamingEagles said:UKIP really are a bunch of tossers, I expect soon they'll be proscribed like Combat 18.
https://twitter.com/GerardBattenMEP/status/1005448714935328769
https://www.theguardian.com/music/2018/jun/07/morrissey-expresses-sympathy-for-jailed-edl-founder-tommy-robinson0 -
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This is what happens when you embrace Brexit but then try to do a Remain version of it. Remainers will never be happy as they oppose Brexit, and Leavers will be frustrated their preferences were sold out.
The best way to go about it is to sign a deal with the EU and quickly follow it up with deals with other countries and a new tougher immigration system. I suspect that would end up with 60% support, from those who want immigration reduced.0 -
One can never say never, but that seems fanciful.williamglenn said:
The most unlikely aspect of that scenario is the idea that the UK would rejoin. The UK will be dismembered and the constituent parts will adopt the Euro.felix said:
Speaking personally this would be ideal for emigres like myself. However it seems highly unlikley.TheScreamingEagles said:
I'll laugh like a drain if Brexit leads to the UK ultimately rejoining the EU and signing up to the Euro.Gardenwalker said:
Now that the “ideologues” begins Brexit are pretty much all saying Brexit is crap it can only be a matter of time before the public follow suit.TheScreamingEagles said:
Not quitenunuone said:73% think Brexit is going badly yet badly anyone has changed their minds on it. Interesting.
https://twitter.com/YouGov/status/1005064760650534912
If there were a border poll during the transition deal, Northern Ireland would obviously join the Euro, and it would be the ideal time for either Great Britain or an independent Scotland and the former Kingdom of England to re-accede to the EU.0 -
York Outer was marginal on its creation, but is now pretty safe Conservative.Yorkcity said:
Yes true , I live in York Outer .another_richard said:
Unemployment is a big issue when its high or when its increasing rapidly.Yorkcity said:
You could be correct , but I never thought they would turn out to vote , at that level.another_richard said:
There seems to be 20-25% who want to nationalise everything - supermarkets, car factories, travel agencies - according to the opinion polls.Yorkcity said:
Should scare you shitless then that 40% are willing to give it a shot.felix said:
Political polling suggests that a firm 40+% of voters will have no truck with an extreme left-wing Labour party.Morris_Dancer said:Good afternoon, everyone.
I wonder if this coupled with other polling indicates the electorate thinks little of the Government, and less of the Opposition.
It certainly surprised me at the last GE.
I always thought 25% would be the most even a left wing Labour Party would achieve.
Now add on those who have little to lose from a Corbyn government or those who expect to be protected and it amounts up to quite a lot.
And then add on some more for Labour loyalists and Conservative haters.
There must be plenty pissed off , with current arrangements , even with unemployment so low
When it isn't what people want is a nice pay rise and many people have been missing out of that for the last decade.
And there's no shortage or people who are leaving university £50k in debt or who are still renting a room in their thirties.
My neighbours have extended the house twice, as their sons , both working in their mid twenties are still living there.
Labour posters in both their bedrooms at last GE.
York central has been Labour since 1992, but the spread to the suburbs of York, surprised me.
As even Blair did no good around here.
Housing problems are a major concern for many families.-1 -
Is it fanciful that we would have a border poll during transition? The question of "what next?" for GB would be acute in those circumstances.Sean_F said:
One can never say never, but that seems fanciful.williamglenn said:
The most unlikely aspect of that scenario is the idea that the UK would rejoin. The UK will be dismembered and the constituent parts will adopt the Euro.felix said:
Speaking personally this would be ideal for emigres like myself. However it seems highly unlikley.TheScreamingEagles said:
I'll laugh like a drain if Brexit leads to the UK ultimately rejoining the EU and signing up to the Euro.Gardenwalker said:
Now that the “ideologues” begins Brexit are pretty much all saying Brexit is crap it can only be a matter of time before the public follow suit.TheScreamingEagles said:
Not quitenunuone said:73% think Brexit is going badly yet badly anyone has changed their minds on it. Interesting.
https://twitter.com/YouGov/status/1005064760650534912
If there were a border poll during the transition deal, Northern Ireland would obviously join the Euro, and it would be the ideal time for either Great Britain or an independent Scotland and the former Kingdom of England to re-accede to the EU.0 -
If the Referendum had included joining the Euro as a requirement of staying in the EU it would have been at least 70% Leave, I would certainly have voted Leave rather than the Remain vote I eventually castTheScreamingEagles said:
I'll laugh like a drain if Brexit leads to the UK ultimately rejoining the EU and signing up to the Euro.Gardenwalker said:
Now that the “ideologues” begins Brexit are pretty much all saying Brexit is crap it can only be a matter of time before the public follow suit.TheScreamingEagles said:
Not quitenunuone said:73% think Brexit is going badly yet badly anyone has changed their minds on it. Interesting.
https://twitter.com/YouGov/status/10050647606505349120 -
Not necessarily. The most serious and ideological will be less inclined to be satisfied with a fudge than the public might.Gardenwalker said:
Now that the “ideologues” begins Brexit are pretty much all saying Brexit is crap it can only be a matter of time before the public follow suit.TheScreamingEagles said:
Not quitenunuone said:73% think Brexit is going badly yet badly anyone has changed their minds on it. Interesting.
https://twitter.com/YouGov/status/10050647606505349120 -
Except we cannot do a deal with the EU without regulatory alignment and an exit bill as Barnier has made clear and reducing immigration immediately post Brexit means no transition periodElliot said:This is what happens when you embrace Brexit but then try to do a Remain version of it. Remainers will never be happy as they oppose Brexit, and Leavers will be frustrated their preferences were sold out.
The best way to go about it is to sign a deal with the EU and quickly follow it up with deals with other countries and a new tougher immigration system. I suspect that would end up with 60% support, from those who want immigration reduced.0 -
Wales will stay in the UK regardless, the Welsh voted Leave.williamglenn said:
The most unlikely aspect of that scenario is the idea that the UK would rejoin. The UK will be dismembered and the constituent parts will adopt the Euro.felix said:
Speaking personally this would be ideal for emigres like myself. However it seems highly unlikley.TheScreamingEagles said:
I'll laugh like a drain if Brexit leads to the UK ultimately rejoining the EU and signing up to the Euro.Gardenwalker said:
Now that the “ideologues” begins Brexit are pretty much all saying Brexit is crap it can only be a matter of time before the public follow suit.TheScreamingEagles said:
Not quitenunuone said:73% think Brexit is going badly yet badly anyone has changed their minds on it. Interesting.
https://twitter.com/YouGov/status/1005064760650534912
If there were a border poll during the transition deal, Northern Ireland would obviously join the Euro, and it would be the ideal time for either Great Britain or an independent Scotland and the former Kingdom of England to re-accede to the EU.
Scotland would probably favour a Scandinavian style relationship with the EU if it ever went independent ie in the EU or the single market but not in the Eurozone.
Northern Ireland still has a Unionist majority and there is no evidence of any enthusiasm for the Euro amongst the population of Northern Ireland0 -
Reaslly wish you hadn't said that. It's your fault now...TheScreamingEagles said:England are absolutely pummelling the Springboks in the egg chasing.
24-3 in less than 18 minutes.0 -
Once Northern Ireland has gone, there is no UK. The successor state would be Great Britain.HYUFD said:
Wales will stay in the UK regardless, the Welsh voted Leave.williamglenn said:
The most unlikely aspect of that scenario is the idea that the UK would rejoin. The UK will be dismembered and the constituent parts will adopt the Euro.felix said:
Speaking personally this would be ideal for emigres like myself. However it seems highly unlikley.TheScreamingEagles said:
I'll laugh like a drain if Brexit leads to the UK ultimately rejoining the EU and signing up to the Euro.Gardenwalker said:
Now that the “ideologues” begins Brexit are pretty much all saying Brexit is crap it can only be a matter of time before the public follow suit.TheScreamingEagles said:
Not quitenunuone said:73% think Brexit is going badly yet badly anyone has changed their minds on it. Interesting.
https://twitter.com/YouGov/status/1005064760650534912
If there were a border poll during the transition deal, Northern Ireland would obviously join the Euro, and it would be the ideal time for either Great Britain or an independent Scotland and the former Kingdom of England to re-accede to the EU.
Scotland would probably favour a Scandinavian style relationship with the EU if it ever went independent ie in the EU or the single market but not in the Eurozone.
Northern Ireland still has a Unionist majority and there is no evidence of any enthusiasm for the Euro amongst the population of Northern Ireland0 -
The successor state can be called whatever it wants to be called, surely?williamglenn said:
Once Northern Ireland has gone, there is no UK. The successor state would be Great Britain.HYUFD said:
Wales will stay in the UK regardless, the Welsh voted Leave.williamglenn said:
The most unlikely aspect of that scenario is the idea that the UK would rejoin. The UK will be dismembered and the constituent parts will adopt the Euro.felix said:
Speaking personally this would be ideal for emigres like myself. However it seems highly unlikley.TheScreamingEagles said:
I'll laugh like a drain if Brexit leads to the UK ultimately rejoining the EU and signing up to the Euro.Gardenwalker said:
Now that the “ideologues” begins Brexit are pretty much all saying Brexit is crap it can only be a matter of time before the public follow suit.TheScreamingEagles said:
Not quitenunuone said:73% think Brexit is going badly yet badly anyone has changed their minds on it. Interesting.
https://twitter.com/YouGov/status/1005064760650534912
If there were a border poll during the transition deal, Northern Ireland would obviously join the Euro, and it would be the ideal time for either Great Britain or an independent Scotland and the former Kingdom of England to re-accede to the EU.
Scotland would probably favour a Scandinavian style relationship with the EU if it ever went independent ie in the EU or the single market but not in the Eurozone.
Northern Ireland still has a Unionist majority and there is no evidence of any enthusiasm for the Euro amongst the population of Northern Ireland0 -
England are going to get absolutely pummelled in this test.ExiledInScotland said:
Reaslly wish you hadn't said that. It's your fault now...TheScreamingEagles said:England are absolutely pummelling the Springboks in the egg chasing.
24-3 in less than 18 minutes.0 -
There's rules.RobD said:
The successor state can be called whatever it wants to be called, surely?williamglenn said:
Once Northern Ireland has gone, there is no UK. The successor state would be Great Britain.HYUFD said:
Wales will stay in the UK regardless, the Welsh voted Leave.williamglenn said:
The most unlikely aspect of that scenario is the idea that the UK would rejoin. The UK will be dismembered and the constituent parts will adopt the Euro.felix said:
Speaking personally this would be ideal for emigres like myself. However it seems highly unlikley.TheScreamingEagles said:
I'll laugh like a drain if Brexit leads to the UK ultimately rejoining the EU and signing up to the Euro.Gardenwalker said:
Now that the “ideologues” begins Brexit are pretty much all saying Brexit is crap it can only be a matter of time before the public follow suit.TheScreamingEagles said:
Not quitenunuone said:73% think Brexit is going badly yet badly anyone has changed their minds on it. Interesting.
https://twitter.com/YouGov/status/1005064760650534912
If there were a border poll during the transition deal, Northern Ireland would obviously join the Euro, and it would be the ideal time for either Great Britain or an independent Scotland and the former Kingdom of England to re-accede to the EU.
Scotland would probably favour a Scandinavian style relationship with the EU if it ever went independent ie in the EU or the single market but not in the Eurozone.
Northern Ireland still has a Unionist majority and there is no evidence of any enthusiasm for the Euro amongst the population of Northern Ireland
It's the reason why Macedonia was known as 'The former Yugoslav Republic of Macedonia' for a while.
There was a dispute between themselves and Greece over what constitutes Macedonia.0 -
Is this a caption competition?williamglenn said:.0 -
Let's say, for the sake of argument, that Northern Ireland voted to join the Irish Republic. Why would the other 62 m inhabitants of this country change their minds over the Euro? If Scotland had voted for independence in 2014, it would have had no bearing at all on the attitude of voters in RUK to Euro membership.williamglenn said:
Is it fanciful that we would have a border poll during transition? The question of "what next?" for GB would be acute in those circumstances.Sean_F said:
One can never say never, but that seems fanciful.williamglenn said:
The most unlikely aspect of that scenario is the idea that the UK would rejoin. The UK will be dismembered and the constituent parts will adopt the Euro.felix said:
Speaking personally this would be ideal for emigres like myself. However it seems highly unlikley.TheScreamingEagles said:
I'll laugh like a drain if Brexit leads to the UK ultimately rejoining the EU and signing up to the Euro.Gardenwalker said:
Now that the “ideologues” begins Brexit are pretty much all saying Brexit is crap it can only be a matter of time before the public follow suit.TheScreamingEagles said:
Not quitenunuone said:73% think Brexit is going badly yet badly anyone has changed their minds on it. Interesting.
https://twitter.com/YouGov/status/1005064760650534912
If there were a border poll during the transition deal, Northern Ireland would obviously join the Euro, and it would be the ideal time for either Great Britain or an independent Scotland and the former Kingdom of England to re-accede to the EU.0 -
Brexit is dying.
Philosophically, it’s bankrupt. Many of its erstwhile backers have gone quiet or publicly disowned the project. The public are bored it with it, or associate it with calamity.
Only Rees Mogg and the ERG seem to care anymore but they have already lost the main arguments. Corbyn remains privately loyal of course, but cannot bring himself to say it out loud.
I’m not even sure David David believes in it intellectually, although he remains committed to seeing it through for career reasons.
Like a house with rotten timbers and worm eaten joists, it still appears solid, but is one strong gust away from complete collapse.
Ironically, an exit to EEA might be the only way to keep Brexit alive, as it at least coherent. But perhaps only Gove or Johnson are capable of of leading that pivot.0 -
Brexit = a calamity!Gardenwalker said:
Now that the “ideologues” begins Brexit are pretty much all saying Brexit is crap it can only be a matter of time before the public follow suit.TheScreamingEagles said:
Not quitenunuone said:73% think Brexit is going badly yet badly anyone has changed their minds on it. Interesting.
https://twitter.com/YouGov/status/1005064760650534912
Brexiteers = Idiots!
The sh*t hasn't even begun to hit the fan yet. God help this country once it does!0 -
Not necessarily given its full title is the United Kingdom of Great Britain AND Northern Ireland.williamglenn said:
Once Northern Ireland has gone, there is no UK. The successor state would be Great Britain.HYUFD said:
Wales will stay in the UK regardless, the Welsh voted Leave.williamglenn said:
The most unlikely aspect of that scenario is the idea that the UK would rejoin. The UK will be dismembered and the constituent parts will adopt the Euro.felix said:
Speaking personally this would be ideal for emigres like myself. However it seems highly unlikley.TheScreamingEagles said:
I'll laugh like a drain if Brexit leads to the UK ultimately rejoining the EU and signing up to the Euro.Gardenwalker said:
Now that the “ideologues” begins Brexit are pretty much all saying Brexit is crap it can only be a matter of time before the public follow suit.TheScreamingEagles said:
Not quitenunuone said:73% think Brexit is going badly yet badly anyone has changed their minds on it. Interesting.
https://twitter.com/YouGov/status/1005064760650534912
If there were a border poll during the transition deal, Northern Ireland would obviously join the Euro, and it would be the ideal time for either Great Britain or an independent Scotland and the former Kingdom of England to re-accede to the EU.
Scotland would probably favour a Scandinavian style relationship with the EU if it ever went independent ie in the EU or the single market but not in the Eurozone.
Northern Ireland still has a Unionist majority and there is no evidence of any enthusiasm for the Euro amongst the population of Northern Ireland
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That was the promise of the Conservative leaders who took control of the Remain campaign, Mr Richard. Nothing to do with me.another_richard said:
While the promise of Remainers was doom, disaster and no strawberries in the supermarkets.PClipp said:Whilst critics of Mrs May might use these findings to criticise her these findings could help her.
With expectations very low on Brexit a moderately successful deal on Brexit has the potential to be seen a very good deal which leads to boost for Mrs May and the Tories.
Ever the Tory optimist, Mr Eagles. The promises from the Brexiters were that there would be no downside. Mrs May has assumed the mantle of the diehard Brexiters - more fool she! - and she will get the blame. For her, there is no way out of this messy disaster of her own devising.
So she would get the reward.
Lets face it whatever happens you will say its a failure and whatever happens you're never going to vote Conservative.
Meanwhile most people assume all politicians are liars and/or incompetents and don't believe a word of their promises in any case.
If you were to rephrase your last paragraph as "all Conservative politicians are liars and/or incompetents and (people) don't believe a word of their promises in any case", then I think I would agree with you.0 -
Mr. Eagles, yes indeed.
The Greeks do like pretending Alexander was Greek too. Which is tosh.0 -
So how many of the 'skilled doctors and engineers' are you willing to accept ?logical_song said:
Is this a caption competition?williamglenn said:.0 -
Yes, it's a union between the Kingdom of Great Britain and (Northern) Ireland.HYUFD said:
Not necessarily given its full title is the United Kingdom of Great Britain AND Northern Ireland.williamglenn said:
Once Northern Ireland has gone, there is no UK. The successor state would be Great Britain.HYUFD said:
Wales will stay in the UK regardless, the Welsh voted Leave.williamglenn said:
The most unlikely aspect of that scenario is the idea that the UK would rejoin. The UK will be dismembered and the constituent parts will adopt the Euro.felix said:
Speaking personally this would be ideal for emigres like myself. However it seems highly unlikley.TheScreamingEagles said:
I'll laugh like a drain if Brexit leads to the UK ultimately rejoining the EU and signing up to the Euro.Gardenwalker said:
Now that the “ideologues” begins Brexit are pretty much all saying Brexit is crap it can only be a matter of time before the public follow suit.TheScreamingEagles said:
Not quitenunuone said:73% think Brexit is going badly yet badly anyone has changed their minds on it. Interesting.
https://twitter.com/YouGov/status/1005064760650534912
If there were a border poll during the transition deal, Northern Ireland would obviously join the Euro, and it would be the ideal time for either Great Britain or an independent Scotland and the former Kingdom of England to re-accede to the EU.
Scotland would probably favour a Scandinavian style relationship with the EU if it ever went independent ie in the EU or the single market but not in the Eurozone.
Northern Ireland still has a Unionist majority and there is no evidence of any enthusiasm for the Euro amongst the population of Northern Ireland0 -
It's a calamity for those who are committed to the EU, not to the rest of us.murali_s said:
Brexit = a calamity!Gardenwalker said:
Now that the “ideologues” begins Brexit are pretty much all saying Brexit is crap it can only be a matter of time before the public follow suit.TheScreamingEagles said:
Not quitenunuone said:73% think Brexit is going badly yet badly anyone has changed their minds on it. Interesting.
https://twitter.com/YouGov/status/1005064760650534912
Brexiteers = Idiots!
The sh*t hasn't even begun to hit the fan yet. God help this country once it does!0 -
It is entirely possible that if Scotland and/or Northern Ireland secede the UK will be known as The Former United Kingdom, or FUK for short.0
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Northern Ireland was created so that it would have a Unionist majority - hence the 6 counties of Ulster and the fact that Donegal is almost isolated from the rest of the RoI.RobD said:
The successor state can be called whatever it wants to be called, surely?williamglenn said:
Once Northern Ireland has gone, there is no UK. The successor state would be Great Britain.HYUFD said:
Wales will stay in the UK regardless, the Welsh voted Leave.williamglenn said:
The most unlikely aspect of that scenario is the idea that the UK would rejoin. The UK will be dismembered and the constituent parts will adopt the Euro.felix said:
Speaking personally this would be ideal for emigres like myself. However it seems highly unlikley.TheScreamingEagles said:
I'll laugh like a drain if Brexit leads to the UK ultimately rejoining the EU and signing up to the Euro.Gardenwalker said:
Now that the “ideologues” begins Brexit are pretty much all saying Brexit is crap it can only be a matter of time before the public follow suit.TheScreamingEagles said:
Not quitenunuone said:73% think Brexit is going badly yet badly anyone has changed their minds on it. Interesting.
https://twitter.com/YouGov/status/1005064760650534912
If there were a border poll during the transition deal, Northern Ireland would obviously join the Euro, and it would be the ideal time for either Great Britain or an independent Scotland and the former Kingdom of England to re-accede to the EU.
Scotland would probably favour a Scandinavian style relationship with the EU if it ever went independent ie in the EU or the single market but not in the Eurozone.
Northern Ireland still has a Unionist majority and there is no evidence of any enthusiasm for the Euro amongst the population of Northern Ireland
Without Northern Ireland, Great Britain would be the geographically correct term.0 -
It would starkly demonstrate that Brexit was a historic mistake. Euro membership would just be part of the package of accepting that our destiny is to play a full role in European integration.Sean_F said:
Let's say, for the sake of argument, that Northern Ireland voted to join the Irish Republic. Why would the other 62 m inhabitants of this country change their minds over the Euro? If Scotland had voted for independence in 2014, it would have had no bearing at all on the attitude of voters in RUK to Euro membership.williamglenn said:
Is it fanciful that we would have a border poll during transition? The question of "what next?" for GB would be acute in those circumstances.Sean_F said:
One can never say never, but that seems fanciful.williamglenn said:
The most unlikely aspect of that scenario is the idea that the UK would rejoin. The UK will be dismembered and the constituent parts will adopt the Euro.felix said:
Speaking personally this would be ideal for emigres like myself. However it seems highly unlikley.TheScreamingEagles said:
I'll laugh like a drain if Brexit leads to the UK ultimately rejoining the EU and signing up to the Euro.Gardenwalker said:
Now that the “ideologues” begins Brexit are pretty much all saying Brexit is crap it can only be a matter of time before the public follow suit.TheScreamingEagles said:
Not quitenunuone said:73% think Brexit is going badly yet badly anyone has changed their minds on it. Interesting.
https://twitter.com/YouGov/status/1005064760650534912
If there were a border poll during the transition deal, Northern Ireland would obviously join the Euro, and it would be the ideal time for either Great Britain or an independent Scotland and the former Kingdom of England to re-accede to the EU.0 -
If anything, the independence referendum rejuvenated Scottish Unionism.TheScreamingEagles said:It is entirely possible that if Scotland and/or Northern Ireland secede the UK will be known as The Former United Kingdom, or FUK for short.
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Yes, 'Great Britain' united with 'Northern Ireland'.HYUFD said:
Not necessarily given its full title is the United Kingdom of Great Britain AND Northern Ireland.williamglenn said:
Once Northern Ireland has gone, there is no UK. The successor state would be Great Britain.HYUFD said:
Wales will stay in the UK regardless, the Welsh voted Leave.williamglenn said:
The most unlikely aspect of that scenario is the idea that the UK would rejoin. The UK will be dismembered and the constituent parts will adopt the Euro.felix said:
Speaking personally this would be ideal for emigres like myself. However it seems highly unlikley.TheScreamingEagles said:
I'll laugh like a drain if Brexit leads to the UK ultimately rejoining the EU and signing up to the Euro.Gardenwalker said:
Now that the “ideologues” begins Brexit are pretty much all saying Brexit is crap it can only be a matter of time before the public follow suit.TheScreamingEagles said:
Not quitenunuone said:73% think Brexit is going badly yet badly anyone has changed their minds on it. Interesting.
https://twitter.com/YouGov/status/1005064760650534912
If there were a border poll during the transition deal, Northern Ireland would obviously join the Euro, and it would be the ideal time for either Great Britain or an independent Scotland and the former Kingdom of England to re-accede to the EU.
Scotland would probably favour a Scandinavian style relationship with the EU if it ever went independent ie in the EU or the single market but not in the Eurozone.
Northern Ireland still has a Unionist majority and there is no evidence of any enthusiasm for the Euro amongst the population of Northern Ireland0 -
Considering that the LibDem contribution to the issue was to predict a strawberry shortage LAST YEAR I don't think anyone is particularly bothered by what they might say.PClipp said:
That was the promise of the Conservative leaders who took control of the Remain campaign, Mr Richard. Nothing to do with me.another_richard said:
While the promise of Remainers was doom, disaster and no strawberries in the supermarkets.PClipp said:Whilst critics of Mrs May might use these findings to criticise her these findings could help her.
With expectations very low on Brexit a moderately successful deal on Brexit has the potential to be seen a very good deal which leads to boost for Mrs May and the Tories.
Ever the Tory optimist, Mr Eagles. The promises from the Brexiters were that there would be no downside. Mrs May has assumed the mantle of the diehard Brexiters - more fool she! - and she will get the blame. For her, there is no way out of this messy disaster of her own devising.
So she would get the reward.
Lets face it whatever happens you will say its a failure and whatever happens you're never going to vote Conservative.
Meanwhile most people assume all politicians are liars and/or incompetents and don't believe a word of their promises in any case.
If you were to rephrase your last paragraph as "all Conservative politicians are liars and/or incompetents and (people) don't believe a word of their promises in any case", then I think I would agree with you.
Not to mention Uncle Vince and his gang are already known to be liars after student tuition fees.0 -
Rubbish. If anything it would accelerate English nationalism, the most Unionist figures in Scotland were all staunch Remainerswilliamglenn said:
It would starkly demonstrate that Brexit was a historic mistake. Euro membership would just be part of the package of accepting that our destiny is to play a full role in European integration.Sean_F said:
Let's say, for the sake of argument, that Northern Ireland voted to join the Irish Republic. Why would the other 62 m inhabitants of this country change their minds over the Euro? If Scotland had voted for independence in 2014, it would have had no bearing at all on the attitude of voters in RUK to Euro membership.williamglenn said:
Is it fanciful that we would have a border poll during transition? The question of "what next?" for GB would be acute in those circumstances.Sean_F said:
One can never say never, but that seems fanciful.williamglenn said:
The most unlikely aspect of that scenario is the idea that the UK would rejoin. The UK will be dismembered and the constituent parts will adopt the Euro.felix said:
Speaking personally this would be ideal for emigres like myself. However it seems highly unlikley.TheScreamingEagles said:
I'll laugh like a drain if Brexit leads to the UK ultimately rejoining the EU and signing up to the Euro.Gardenwalker said:
Now that the “ideologues” begins Brexit are pretty much all saying Brexit is crap it can only be a matter of time before the public follow suit.TheScreamingEagles said:
Not quitenunuone said:73% think Brexit is going badly yet badly anyone has changed their minds on it. Interesting.
https://twitter.com/YouGov/status/1005064760650534912
If there were a border poll during the transition deal, Northern Ireland would obviously join the Euro, and it would be the ideal time for either Great Britain or an independent Scotland and the former Kingdom of England to re-accede to the EU.
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73% of Brits disagree with you.Sean_F said:
It's a calamity for those who are committed to the EU, not to the rest of us.murali_s said:
Brexit = a calamity!Gardenwalker said:
Now that the “ideologues” begins Brexit are pretty much all saying Brexit is crap it can only be a matter of time before the public follow suit.TheScreamingEagles said:
Not quitenunuone said:73% think Brexit is going badly yet badly anyone has changed their minds on it. Interesting.
https://twitter.com/YouGov/status/1005064760650534912
Brexiteers = Idiots!
The sh*t hasn't even begun to hit the fan yet. God help this country once it does!0 -
The Balkanization of Britain already well underway, accelerated by Brexit. Tragic.0
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It would demonstrate only that Protestants had been outbred. Most people would simply accept that our destinies were different.williamglenn said:
It would starkly demonstrate that Brexit was a historic mistake. Euro membership would just be part of the package of accepting that our destiny is to play a full role in European integration.Sean_F said:
Let's say, for the sake of argument, that Northern Ireland voted to join the Irish Republic. Why would the other 62 m inhabitants of this country change their minds over the Euro? If Scotland had voted for independence in 2014, it would have had no bearing at all on the attitude of voters in RUK to Euro membership.williamglenn said:
Is it fanciful that we would have a border poll during transition? The question of "what next?" for GB would be acute in those circumstances.Sean_F said:
One can never say never, but that seems fanciful.williamglenn said:
The most unlikely aspect of that scenario is the idea that the UK would rejoin. The UK will be dismembered and the constituent parts will adopt the Euro.felix said:
Speaking personally this would be ideal for emigres like myself. However it seems highly unlikley.TheScreamingEagles said:
I'll laugh like a drain if Brexit leads to the UK ultimately rejoining the EU and signing up to the Euro.Gardenwalker said:
Now that the “ideologues” begins Brexit are pretty much all saying Brexit is crap it can only be a matter of time before the public follow suit.TheScreamingEagles said:
Not quitenunuone said:73% think Brexit is going badly yet badly anyone has changed their minds on it. Interesting.
https://twitter.com/YouGov/status/1005064760650534912
If there were a border poll during the transition deal, Northern Ireland would obviously join the Euro, and it would be the ideal time for either Great Britain or an independent Scotland and the former Kingdom of England to re-accede to the EU.0 -
English nationhood is not incompatible with European federalism. I would argue that it's actually the best way for the English to be reconciled to becoming a modern European country.HYUFD said:
Rubbish. If anything it would accelerate English nationalism, the most Unionist figures in Scotland were all staunch Remainerswilliamglenn said:
It would starkly demonstrate that Brexit was a historic mistake. Euro membership would just be part of the package of accepting that our destiny is to play a full role in European integration.Sean_F said:
Let's say, for the sake of argument, that Northern Ireland voted to join the Irish Republic. Why would the other 62 m inhabitants of this country change their minds over the Euro? If Scotland had voted for independence in 2014, it would have had no bearing at all on the attitude of voters in RUK to Euro membership.williamglenn said:
Is it fanciful that we would have a border poll during transition? The question of "what next?" for GB would be acute in those circumstances.Sean_F said:
One can never say never, but that seems fanciful.williamglenn said:
The most unlikely aspect of that scenario is the idea that the UK would rejoin. The UK will be dismembered and the constituent parts will adopt the Euro.felix said:
Speaking personally this would be ideal for emigres like myself. However it seems highly unlikley.TheScreamingEagles said:
I'll laugh like a drain if Brexit leads to the UK ultimately rejoining the EU and signing up to the Euro.Gardenwalker said:
Now that the “ideologues” begins Brexit are pretty much all saying Brexit is crap it can only be a matter of time before the public follow suit.TheScreamingEagles said:
Not quitenunuone said:73% think Brexit is going badly yet badly anyone has changed their minds on it. Interesting.
https://twitter.com/YouGov/status/1005064760650534912
If there were a border poll during the transition deal, Northern Ireland would obviously join the Euro, and it would be the ideal time for either Great Britain or an independent Scotland and the former Kingdom of England to re-accede to the EU.0 -
Northern Ireland was never a Kingdom unlike Scotland or England but a province, It was not even a principality like Waleswilliamglenn said:
Yes, it's a union between the Kingdom of Great Britain and (Northern) Ireland.HYUFD said:
Not necessarily given its full title is the United Kingdom of Great Britain AND Northern Ireland.williamglenn said:
Once Northern Ireland has gone, there is no UK. The successor state would be Great Britain.HYUFD said:
Wales will stay in the UK regardless, the Welsh voted Leave.williamglenn said:
The most unlikely aspect of that scenario is the idea that the UK would rejoin. The UK will be dismembered and the constituent parts will adopt the Euro.felix said:
Speaking personally this would be ideal for emigres like myself. However it seems highly unlikley.TheScreamingEagles said:
I'll laugh like a drain if Brexit leads to the UK ultimately rejoining the EU and signing up to the Euro.Gardenwalker said:
Now that the “ideologues” begins Brexit are pretty much all saying Brexit is crap it can only be a matter of time before the public follow suit.TheScreamingEagles said:
Not quitenunuone said:73% think Brexit is going badly yet badly anyone has changed their minds on it. Interesting.
https://twitter.com/YouGov/status/1005064760650534912
If there were a border poll during the transition deal, Northern Ireland would obviously join the Euro, and it would be the ideal time for either Great Britain or an independent Scotland and the former Kingdom of England to re-accede to the EU.
Scotland would probably favour a Scandinavian style relationship with the EU if it ever went independent ie in the EU or the single market but not in the Eurozone.
Northern Ireland still has a Unionist majority and there is no evidence of any enthusiasm for the Euro amongst the population of Northern Ireland0 -
Surely even the most ardent Brexiteer must be concerned about the division it has created in the UK.Sean_F said:
It's a calamity for those who are committed to the EU, not to the rest of us.murali_s said:
Brexit = a calamity!Gardenwalker said:
Now that the “ideologues” begins Brexit are pretty much all saying Brexit is crap it can only be a matter of time before the public follow suit.TheScreamingEagles said:
Not quitenunuone said:73% think Brexit is going badly yet badly anyone has changed their minds on it. Interesting.
https://twitter.com/YouGov/status/1005064760650534912
Brexiteers = Idiots!
The sh*t hasn't even begun to hit the fan yet. God help this country once it does!0 -
Brexit is dying? Gold Standard Survation had 50% of voters still backing Leave only yesterdayGardenwalker said:Brexit is dying.
Philosophically, it’s bankrupt. Many of its erstwhile backers have gone quiet or publicly disowned the project. The public are bored it with it, or associate it with calamity.
Only Rees Mogg and the ERG seem to care anymore but they have already lost the main arguments. Corbyn remains privately loyal of course, but cannot bring himself to say it out loud.
I’m not even sure David David believes in it intellectually, although he remains committed to seeing it through for career reasons.
Like a house with rotten timbers and worm eaten joists, it still appears solid, but is one strong gust away from complete collapse.
Ironically, an exit to EEA might be the only way to keep Brexit alive, as it at least coherent. But perhaps only Gove or Johnson are capable of of leading that pivot.0 -
True Sean , York Outer was marginal between Conservatives and Lib Dem not Labour.Sean_F said:
York Outer was marginal on its creation, but is now pretty safe Conservative.Yorkcity said:
Yes true , I live in York Outer .another_richard said:
Unemployment is a big issue when its high or when its increasing rapidly.Yorkcity said:
You could be correct , but I never thought they would turn out to vote , at that level.another_richard said:
There seems to be 20-25% who want to nationalise everything - supermarkets, car factories, travel agencies - according to the opinion polls.Yorkcity said:
Should scare you shitless then that 40% are willing to give it a shot.felix said:
Political polling suggests that a firm 40+% of voters will have no truck with an extreme left-wing Labour party.Morris_Dancer said:Good afternoon, everyone.
I wonder if this coupled with other polling indicates the electorate thinks little of the Government, and less of the Opposition.
It certainly surprised me at the last GE.
I always thought 25% would be the most even a left wing Labour Party would achieve.
Now add on those who have little to lose from a Corbyn government or those who expect to be protected and it amounts up to quite a lot.
And then add on some more for Labour loyalists and Conservative haters.
There must be plenty pissed off , with current arrangements , even with unemployment so low
When it isn't what people want is a nice pay rise and many people have been missing out of that for the last decade.
And there's no shortage or people who are leaving university £50k in debt or who are still renting a room in their thirties.
My neighbours have extended the house twice, as their sons , both working in their mid twenties are still living there.
Labour posters in both their bedrooms at last GE.
York central has been Labour since 1992, but the spread to the suburbs of York, surprised me.
As even Blair did no good around here.
Housing problems are a major concern for many families.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/York_Outer_(UK_Parliament_constituency)
Labour has gone from 9k and 3rd place in 2010 , to 21k and second place to the Conservatives in 2017 a big change.
I believe Labour are targeting it .
http://www.electionpolling.co.uk/battleground/targets/labour
I think they have no chance .0 -
Concerned, yes. But, it's no calamity.Jonathan said:
Surely even the most ardent Brexiteer must be concerned about the division it has created in the UK.Sean_F said:
It's a calamity for those who are committed to the EU, not to the rest of us.murali_s said:
Brexit = a calamity!Gardenwalker said:
Now that the “ideologues” begins Brexit are pretty much all saying Brexit is crap it can only be a matter of time before the public follow suit.TheScreamingEagles said:
Not quitenunuone said:73% think Brexit is going badly yet badly anyone has changed their minds on it. Interesting.
https://twitter.com/YouGov/status/1005064760650534912
Brexiteers = Idiots!
The sh*t hasn't even begun to hit the fan yet. God help this country once it does!0 -
...but 73% think it's going badly today.HYUFD said:
Brexit is dying? Gold Standard Survation had 50% of voters still backing Leave only yesterdayGardenwalker said:Brexit is dying.
Philosophically, it’s bankrupt. Many of its erstwhile backers have gone quiet or publicly disowned the project. The public are bored it with it, or associate it with calamity.
Only Rees Mogg and the ERG seem to care anymore but they have already lost the main arguments. Corbyn remains privately loyal of course, but cannot bring himself to say it out loud.
I’m not even sure David David believes in it intellectually, although he remains committed to seeing it through for career reasons.
Like a house with rotten timbers and worm eaten joists, it still appears solid, but is one strong gust away from complete collapse.
Ironically, an exit to EEA might be the only way to keep Brexit alive, as it at least coherent. But perhaps only Gove or Johnson are capable of of leading that pivot.0 -
I put Northern in brackets because the UK was originally created as a union between Great Britain and Ireland. The Northern bit was only inserted after Irish independence.HYUFD said:
Northern Ireland was never a Kingdom unlike Scotland or England but a province, It was not even a principality like Waleswilliamglenn said:
Yes, it's a union between the Kingdom of Great Britain and (Northern) Ireland.HYUFD said:
Not necessarily given its full title is the United Kingdom of Great Britain AND Northern Ireland.williamglenn said:
Once Northern Ireland has gone, there is no UK. The successor state would be Great Britain.HYUFD said:
Wales will stay in the UK regardless, the Welsh voted Leave.williamglenn said:
The most unlikely aspect of that scenario is the idea that the UK would rejoin. The UK will be dismembered and the constituent parts will adopt the Euro.felix said:
Speaking personally this would be ideal for emigres like myself. However it seems highly unlikley.TheScreamingEagles said:
I'll laugh like a drain if Brexit leads to the UK ultimately rejoining the EU and signing up to the Euro.Gardenwalker said:
Now that the “ideologues” begins Brexit are pretty much all saying Brexit is crap it can only be a matter of time before the public follow suit.TheScreamingEagles said:
Not quitenunuone said:73% think Brexit is going badly yet badly anyone has changed their minds on it. Interesting.
https://twitter.com/YouGov/status/1005064760650534912
If there were a border poll during the transition deal, Northern Ireland would obviously join the Euro, and it would be the ideal time for either Great Britain or an independent Scotland and the former Kingdom of England to re-accede to the EU.
Scotland would probably favour a Scandinavian style relationship with the EU if it ever went independent ie in the EU or the single market but not in the Eurozone.
Northern Ireland still has a Unionist majority and there is no evidence of any enthusiasm for the Euro amongst the population of Northern Ireland0
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