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I'd find it more patronising if people didn't get it wrong all the time - including Prime Ministers, other politicians, journalists, economists etcDavidL said:
You don’t find that patronising? Wow.Pulpstar said:
Just what is wrong with it ?DavidL said:
It’s not just school curricula that is being simplified is it? Who thought that was a useful explanation?CarlottaVance said:
At heart the deficit is a very simply concept.0 -
Day/night games have Tea(20min) and Dinner(40min) breaks, according to the ECBPulpstar said:
Nottinghamshire surprises me . Anyway it is Breakfast, lunch then tea as per the cricket.Morris_Dancer said:Polling evidence about the wrongness of Mr. Eagles (again), this time about meals:
https://twitter.com/YouGov/status/998867148071202816
https://www.ecb.co.uk/news/5264790 -
Mr. Glenn, no. Despite what EU-philes might dream of, the UK never wanted to throw away our currency and monetary policy.
That Lammy letter looks bloody horrendous.0 -
The first time I was selected as a candidate, I'd never been to Notts before, and had been living abroad. I had a meal in a cafe and noticed that they offered mushy peas. I thought this was an honest confession - didn't realise anyone actually thought it a good thing.Casino_Royale said:
Calling the evening meal “tea” is the sign of a savage.Pulpstar said:
Nottinghamshire surprises me . Anyway it is Breakfast, lunch then tea as per the cricket.Morris_Dancer said:Polling evidence about the wrongness of Mr. Eagles (again), this time about meals:
https://twitter.com/YouGov/status/998867148071202816
I acclimatised, and now positively prefer them.0 -
Why do you think Hague's 2001 general election campaign was such an abject failure? (Several orders of magnitude worse than May 2017.)Morris_Dancer said:Mr. Glenn, no. Despite what EU-philes might dream of, the UK never wanted to throw away our currency and monetary policy.
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Why give your opponent a chance, when you don't need to?PeterMannion said:I love all these Leavers who are absolutely certain they'd win another vote, but definitely don't want one, as they'd so obviously win...
They're frit, I tell you, FRIT!
I'm so sure England will win the World Cup, I think we should withdraw and not even play the group stage games...0 -
Mr. Glenn, wasn't into politics then, so hard to comment.0
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Kevin Schofield - @PolhomeEditor: Unison's Wendy Nichols has been elected vice-chair of Labour National Executive Committee, beating Andi Fox of the TSSA 18-17 at today's NEC meeting. Jeremy Corbyn dialled into the meeting to vote for Fox, who was also backed by Momentum.0
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Yes. Giving the UK forces the consolation prize of Basra made the whole enterprise more difficult and complicated than it otherwise would have been.OldKingCole said:
Would Dubya have gone ahead?0 -
Yet you think they were 'joining', despite all the evidence to the contrary. They were negotiating to join, which is a very different thing.Philip_Thompson said:
I would only expect keys, parking space etc (if they go with the job) once I'd joined not before. Nobody said that Turkey had joined the EU.JosiasJessop said:They have not been voted in, and they could not be voted in until they had met the AC - which, as I show above, was happening very slowly.
I look forward to you attending your next job interview and, as a candidate, asking for the keys to the executive washroom and for your name on a parking space as you shake their hands at the end.
In fact, Turkey weren't even at the interview stage. They were a pimply 12-year old Geek sending a letter to join NASA, and being told: "Sure, we'd love to consider you, but only when you pass all your exams and meet all these other criteria."
(worst. analogy. ever.)
If they were 'joining', as you think, then what was their date of entry?0 -
Okay, okay. Sigh.Philip_Thompson said:
I'd find it more patronising if people didn't get it wrong all the time - including Prime Ministers, other politicians, journalists, economists etcDavidL said:
You don’t find that patronising? Wow.Pulpstar said:
Just what is wrong with it ?DavidL said:
It’s not just school curricula that is being simplified is it? Who thought that was a useful explanation?CarlottaVance said:
At heart the deficit is a very simply concept.0 -
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Yes, it's ironic that NeoCons like Liam Fox were happy to model their plans for the Middle East on post-war European liberalism whilst wanting to extricate Britain from the same. There was almost a kind of Orwellian double-think going on.Philip_Thompson said:
Sort of like pro-Europeans view of Europe as a force for good.Stark_Dawning said:
Almost certainly yes: the NeoCons were convinced they could alter the course of human history towards goodness and light. It was a seductive potion many sipped.OldKingCole said:
Would Dubya have gone ahead?Stark_Dawning said:
Tone is a strange case. Maggie was always loathed/loved in equal measure. But to go, as Tone did, from being universally adored to a political pariah in a few years is surely unprecedented. (Even Richard Nixon had his defenders.) Was it just about Iraq? How would Tone be viewed now if he had told Dubya to take a leap all those years ago?Roger said:Just listening to Tony Blair on Radio 4. Don't we miss him. So articulate. So persuasive.
'Boris Johnson has been touring Argentina Chile and Peru. We do less than 6% of the trade with these countries than we do .......with Ireland'
'Lets get this in perspective. We do less trade with Australia Canada New Zealand and India than we do....... with Holland'
He believes that another referendum would reverse the result because the issues weren't understood and now we've delved into them the issues can be simply explained.
....and he's completely right.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b0b39v0d#play
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It doesn't get into the difference between borrowing and deficit, omits mention of the difference between capital and current spend but for a simple explanation of the "deficit" it is fine.DavidL said:
You don’t find that patronising? Wow.Pulpstar said:
Just what is wrong with it ?DavidL said:
It’s not just school curricula that is being simplified is it? Who thought that was a useful explanation?CarlottaVance said:
At heart the deficit is a very simply concept.
Are you in a line of work where overcomplication is required or some such ?0 -
iain watson - @iainjwatson: The contest to replace Jennie Formby as vice chair of the #labour NEC has concluded - two union candidates contested it but I am hearing the one seem as closer to the leadership (andi fox of TSSA) has been very narrowly defeated by Wendy Nichols of UNISON
Is it possible we have passed Peak Corbyn?0 -
In part because people didn't think there was a genuine chance of Britain joining the Euro.williamglenn said:
Why do you think Hague's 2001 general election campaign was such an abject failure? (Several orders of magnitude worse than May 2017.)Morris_Dancer said:Mr. Glenn, no. Despite what EU-philes might dream of, the UK never wanted to throw away our currency and monetary policy.
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I thought it was traditional to compare with last poll from the same company.HYUFD said:New Yougov for the Times
Tories 42%
Labour 38%
LDs 9%
https://mobile.twitter.com/NCPoliticsUK/status/998847837801762817
Tories unchanged from GE 2017 but 2% swing from Labour to the LDs on this poll
https://twitter.com/britainelects/status/998889832859529216
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Duddridge has form for attacking Bercow. This is from last year.Scott_P said:
https://www.parliament.uk/business/publications/business-papers/commons/early-day-motions/edm-detail1/?edmnumber=943&session=2016-170 -
I think a lot of people (many of them Tories) feel they were made a fool of. That always ramps up the loathing & vengeful anger rate.Stark_Dawning said:
Tone is a strange case. Maggie was always loathed/loved in equal measure. But to go, as Tone did, from being universally adored to a political pariah in a few years is surely unprecedented. (Even Richard Nixon had his defenders.) Was it just about Iraq? How would Tone be viewed now if he had told Dubya to take a leap all those years ago?Roger said:Just listening to Tony Blair on Radio 4. Don't we miss him. So articulate. So persuasive.
'Boris Johnson has been touring Argentina Chile and Peru. We do less than 6% of the trade with these countries than we do .......with Ireland'
'Lets get this in perspective. We do less trade with Australia Canada New Zealand and India than we do....... with Holland'
He believes that another referendum would reverse the result because the issues weren't understood and now we've delved into them the issues can be simply explained.
....and he's completely right.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b0b39v0d#play
(about 8.50AM)0 -
Apparently I use tea or dinner !0
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Only when my client has something to hide!Pulpstar said:
It doesn't get into the difference between borrowing and deficit, omits mention of the difference between capital and current spend but for a simple explanation of the "deficit" it is fine.DavidL said:
You don’t find that patronising? Wow.Pulpstar said:
Just what is wrong with it ?DavidL said:
It’s not just school curricula that is being simplified is it? Who thought that was a useful explanation?CarlottaVance said:
At heart the deficit is a very simply concept.
Are you in a line of work where overcomplication is required or some such ?0 -
Tea is something you drink.
You might as well call your evening meal ‘coffee’ or ‘pineapple juice’0 -
There was no date set, they were in the negotiations stage of the joining procedure.JosiasJessop said:
Yet you think they were 'joining', despite all the evidence to the contrary. They were negotiating to join, which is a very different thing.Philip_Thompson said:
I would only expect keys, parking space etc (if they go with the job) once I'd joined not before. Nobody said that Turkey had joined the EU.JosiasJessop said:They have not been voted in, and they could not be voted in until they had met the AC - which, as I show above, was happening very slowly.
I look forward to you attending your next job interview and, as a candidate, asking for the keys to the executive washroom and for your name on a parking space as you shake their hands at the end.
In fact, Turkey weren't even at the interview stage. They were a pimply 12-year old Geek sending a letter to join NASA, and being told: "Sure, we'd love to consider you, but only when you pass all your exams and meet all these other criteria."
(worst. analogy. ever.)
If they were 'joining', as you think, then what was their date of entry?0 -
Hague's campaign ranks with Lord Lucan's whereabouts as one of the great mysteries of the age. Hague campaigned against joining the Euro -- which had already been ruled out by Labour. Did Hague not read the newspapers? Then, allegedly, CCHQ would filter out honest but adverse reports so Hague never learned how badly this was going down on the doorstep.tlg86 said:
In part because people didn't think there was a genuine chance of Britain joining the Euro.williamglenn said:
Why do you think Hague's 2001 general election campaign was such an abject failure? (Several orders of magnitude worse than May 2017.)Morris_Dancer said:Mr. Glenn, no. Despite what EU-philes might dream of, the UK never wanted to throw away our currency and monetary policy.
Times change.0 -
BTW, is it worth reflecting that the same people who predict that we will be tenths of a percent worse off in a decade or so were more than 10% out in their forecast of our deficit a single month away from the end of the financial year?
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I think I've seen our own Mr Herdson say the most frustrating thing about 2001 was the poor targeting of seats. If the Tories had been more cautious in their targeting, they could have picked up a few more seats.DecrepitJohnL said:
Hague's campaign ranks with Lord Lucan's whereabouts as one of the great mysteries of the age. Hague campaigned against joining the Euro -- which had already been ruled out by Labour. Did Hague not read the newspapers? Then, allegedly, CCHQ would filter out honest but adverse reports so Hague never learned how badly this was going down on the doorstep.tlg86 said:
In part because people didn't think there was a genuine chance of Britain joining the Euro.williamglenn said:
Why do you think Hague's 2001 general election campaign was such an abject failure? (Several orders of magnitude worse than May 2017.)Morris_Dancer said:Mr. Glenn, no. Despite what EU-philes might dream of, the UK never wanted to throw away our currency and monetary policy.
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If the Tories want to get beaten like morning wood then they’ll call a snap election as they fracture over Brexit.
You can see them having individual manifestos.
JRM and the ERG have their own diamond hard Brexit manifesto whilst the likes of NiMo and Grieve fight on a personal manifesto of soft/EEA Brexit.0 -
You have to campaign on 'something'. In 2001, Labour were still very much in honeymoon period even 4 years after being in power. Better to have someting simple to build something around, even if its not much.DecrepitJohnL said:
Hague's campaign ranks with Lord Lucan's whereabouts as one of the great mysteries of the age. Hague campaigned against joining the Euro -- which had already been ruled out by Labour. Did Hague not read the newspapers? Then, allegedly, CCHQ would filter out honest but adverse reports so Hague never learned how badly this was going down on the doorstep.tlg86 said:
In part because people didn't think there was a genuine chance of Britain joining the Euro.williamglenn said:
Why do you think Hague's 2001 general election campaign was such an abject failure? (Several orders of magnitude worse than May 2017.)Morris_Dancer said:Mr. Glenn, no. Despite what EU-philes might dream of, the UK never wanted to throw away our currency and monetary policy.
Times change.
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Hague in 2001 had an impossible job, rather like Foot in 1983, Blair like Thatcher then was re elected easily but Hague at least got the Tory base out and ensured the Tories did not fall even further from their 1997 nadirwilliamglenn said:
Why do you think Hague's 2001 general election campaign was such an abject failure? (Several orders of magnitude worse than May 2017.)Morris_Dancer said:Mr. Glenn, no. Despite what EU-philes might dream of, the UK never wanted to throw away our currency and monetary policy.
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You could say exactly the same about Labour and the differing personal manifestos of Kate Hoey and John Mann backing hard Brexit and Chuka Umunna and Ben Bradshaw backing the EEA/second EU referendumTheScreamingEagles said:If the Tories want to get beaten like morning wood then they’ll call a snap election as they fracture over Brexit.
You can see them having individual manifestos.
JRM and the ERG have their own diamond hard Brexit manifesto whilst the likes of NiMo and Grieve fight on a personal manifesto of soft/EEA Brexit.0 -
Tony Blair also introduced student tuition fees.DavidL said:
We are all used to politicians being lying bastards, it is their function. But for the PM of this country to lie to the HoC and the country about intelligence to persuade us to go to war was unforgivable. He should have gone to jail.Stark_Dawning said:
Tone is a strange case. Maggie was always loathed/loved in equal measure. But to go, as Tone did, from being universally adored to a political pariah in a few years is surely unprecedented. (Even Richard Nixon had his defenders.) Was it just about Iraq? How would Tone be viewed now if he had told Dubya to take a leap all those years ago?Roger said:Just listening to Tony Blair on Radio 4. Don't we miss him. So articulate. So persuasive.
'Boris Johnson has been touring Argentina Chile and Peru. We do less than 6% of the trade with these countries than we do .......with Ireland'
'Lets get this in perspective. We do less trade with Australia Canada New Zealand and India than we do....... with Holland'
He believes that another referendum would reverse the result because the issues weren't understood and now we've delved into them the issues can be simply explained.
....and he's completely right.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b0b39v0d#play
(about 8.50AM)0 -
I think Hague was on a hiding to nothing. In 1997 the public had rather decided that it would give New Labour an eight year shot at things, almost as a gesture of goodwill after all those years in the wilderness. 2001 was nothing more than a rubber-stamping exercise.DecrepitJohnL said:
Hague's campaign ranks with Lord Lucan's whereabouts as one of the great mysteries of the age. Hague campaigned against joining the Euro -- which had already been ruled out by Labour. Did Hague not read the newspapers? Then, allegedly, CCHQ would filter out honest but adverse reports so Hague never learned how badly this was going down on the doorstep.tlg86 said:
In part because people didn't think there was a genuine chance of Britain joining the Euro.williamglenn said:
Why do you think Hague's 2001 general election campaign was such an abject failure? (Several orders of magnitude worse than May 2017.)Morris_Dancer said:Mr. Glenn, no. Despite what EU-philes might dream of, the UK never wanted to throw away our currency and monetary policy.
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Another thing I apparently do is rhyme bɑth with arse (bɑːth) and ɡrass with ass (ɡɹ̠as), perhaps I'm just a citizen of nowhereTheScreamingEagles said:Tea is something you drink.
You might as well call your evening meal ‘coffee’ or ‘pineapple juice’
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You don't build a Tory election campaign around what is already Labour policy. Vote for us, we'll do the same as them? Page 94 of the manifesto, perhaps, along with the motherhood and apple pie stuff but not the central campaign.Slackbladder said:
You have to campaign on 'something'. In 2001, Labour were still very much in honeymoon period even 4 years after being in power. Better to have someting simple to build something around, even if its not much.DecrepitJohnL said:
Hague's campaign ranks with Lord Lucan's whereabouts as one of the great mysteries of the age. Hague campaigned against joining the Euro -- which had already been ruled out by Labour. Did Hague not read the newspapers? Then, allegedly, CCHQ would filter out honest but adverse reports so Hague never learned how badly this was going down on the doorstep.tlg86 said:
In part because people didn't think there was a genuine chance of Britain joining the Euro.williamglenn said:
Why do you think Hague's 2001 general election campaign was such an abject failure? (Several orders of magnitude worse than May 2017.)Morris_Dancer said:Mr. Glenn, no. Despite what EU-philes might dream of, the UK never wanted to throw away our currency and monetary policy.
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BCE, thank you very much. Before the Cameron EraOldKingCole said:
Quite right. Iraq was worse than Suez as a killer of reputations.Dura_Ace said:
If only he'd chosed to spend his political capital on the Euro instead of Iraq.Roger said:Just listening to Tony Blair on Radio 4. Don't we miss him. So articulate. So persuasive.
'Boris Johnson has been touring Argentina Chile and Peru. We do less than 6% of the trade with these countries than we do .......with Ireland'
'Lets get this in perspective. We do less trade with Australia Canada New Zealand and India than we do....... with Holland'
'We do less trade with the whole Commonwealth than we do with Germany....'
He believes that another referendum would reverse the result because the issues weren't understood and now we've delved into them the issues can be simply explained.
....and he's completely right.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b0b39v0d#play
(about 8.50AM)
That of course was BC. Before Cameron.
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The ultimate litmus test.Pulpstar said:
Another thing I apparently do is rhyme bɑth with arse (bɑːth) and ɡrass with ass (ɡɹ̠as), perhaps I'm just a citizen of nowhereTheScreamingEagles said:Tea is something you drink.
You might as well call your evening meal ‘coffee’ or ‘pineapple juice’
How do you pronounce
a) Bath (as in the town)
b) bath where you wash yourself0 -
FFS, the town is named for the activity. It's the same word in both casesTheScreamingEagles said:The ultimate litmus test.
How do you pronounce
a) Bath (as in the town)
b) bath where you wash yourself0 -
The failure of the pro Euro Conservative Party shows there was no point Hague taking a different lineDecrepitJohnL said:
You don't build a Tory election campaign around what is already Labour policy. Vote for us, we'll do the same as them? Page 94 of the manifesto, perhaps, along with the motherhood and apple pie stuff but not the central campaign.Slackbladder said:
You have to campaign on 'something'. In 2001, Labour were still very much in honeymoon period even 4 years after being in power. Better to have someting simple to build something around, even if its not much.DecrepitJohnL said:
Hague's campaign ranks with Lord Lucan's whereabouts as one of the great mysteries of the age. Hague campaigned against joining the Euro -- which had already been ruled out by Labour. Did Hague not read the newspapers? Then, allegedly, CCHQ would filter out honest but adverse reports so Hague never learned how badly this was going down on the doorstep.tlg86 said:
In part because people didn't think there was a genuine chance of Britain joining the Euro.williamglenn said:
Why do you think Hague's 2001 general election campaign was such an abject failure? (Several orders of magnitude worse than May 2017.)Morris_Dancer said:Mr. Glenn, no. Despite what EU-philes might dream of, the UK never wanted to throw away our currency and monetary policy.
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For me it is Baarth and baff.0
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Do you also do that weird Sheffield thing of calling bread rolls 'bread cakes'?TheScreamingEagles said:For me it is Baarth and baff.
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I have dropped into a full blown Yorkshire accent, which means whenever I say ‘couldn’t’ I drop the c-bomb0
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The P is silent. As in bath...TheScreamingEagles said:For me it is Baarth and baff.
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I am not restarting the whole cobs v baps debate.Stark_Dawning said:
Do you also do that weird Sheffield thing of calling bread rolls 'bread cakes'?TheScreamingEagles said:For me it is Baarth and baff.
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Long "a" in both cases.TheScreamingEagles said:
The ultimate litmus test.Pulpstar said:
Another thing I apparently do is rhyme bɑth with arse (bɑːth) and ɡrass with ass (ɡɹ̠as), perhaps I'm just a citizen of nowhereTheScreamingEagles said:Tea is something you drink.
You might as well call your evening meal ‘coffee’ or ‘pineapple juice’
How do you pronounce
a) Bath (as in the town)
b) bath where you wash yourself0 -
So why does you support a footie team from (historic) Lancashire????TheScreamingEagles said:I have dropped into a full blown Yorkshire accent, which means whenever I say ‘couldn’t’ I drop the c-bomb
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Electoral calculus on EMATheuniondivvie said:
I thought it was traditional to compare with last poll from the same company.HYUFD said:New Yougov for the Times
Tories 42%
Labour 38%
LDs 9%
https://mobile.twitter.com/NCPoliticsUK/status/998847837801762817
Tories unchanged from GE 2017 but 2% swing from Labour to the LDs on this poll
https://twitter.com/britainelects/status/998889832859529216
Con 315 (-3)
Lab 259 (-3)
LD 16 (+4)
Con 11 short of a majority. Basically no change.0 -
First hit in a search for new countries joining the eu:
Joining the EU
Albania.
Bosnia and Herzegovina.
Former Yugoslav Republic of Macedonia.
Kosovo*
Montenegro.
Serbia.
Turkey.
Useful guidance on the ordinary meaning of "joining", from the eu website . All this desperate stuff to the contrary is like saying on saturday morning that harry was not marrying meghan because he might be but what if someone piped up with a just impediment?
But anyway the gravamen of the Turkey charge is not that it was false, surely? If we could amend xenophobic liar to xenophobic mischief maker on the standard charge sheet we wouldn't have to keep having this particular argument.0 -
Fancy a chip batch ?TheScreamingEagles said:
I am not restarting the whole cobs v baps debate.Stark_Dawning said:
Do you also do that weird Sheffield thing of calling bread rolls 'bread cakes'?TheScreamingEagles said:For me it is Baarth and baff.
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Do you mean Cobs?Stark_Dawning said:
Do you also do that weird Sheffield thing of calling bread rolls 'bread cakes'?TheScreamingEagles said:For me it is Baarth and baff.
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It was the 80s.Sunil_Prasannan said:
So why does you support a footie team from (historic) Lancashire????TheScreamingEagles said:I have dropped into a full blown Yorkshire accent, which means whenever I say ‘couldn’t’ I drop the c-bomb
I wasn’t allowed to go to football matches, Liverpool were the only team on the telly, plus my Dad liked them too.
You can change your job, citizenship, name, heck you can even change your wife but you can never change the football team you support.0 -
Ketchup or Brown Sauce?0
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Though on those figures it could be Vince Cable rather than Arlene Foster who holds the balance of powerBarnesian said:
Electoral calculus on EMATheuniondivvie said:
I thought it was traditional to compare with last poll from the same company.HYUFD said:New Yougov for the Times
Tories 42%
Labour 38%
LDs 9%
https://mobile.twitter.com/NCPoliticsUK/status/998847837801762817
Tories unchanged from GE 2017 but 2% swing from Labour to the LDs on this poll
https://twitter.com/britainelects/status/998889832859529216
Con 315 (-3)
Lab 259 (-3)
LD 16 (+4)
Con 11 short of a majority. Basically no change.0 -
Yes you can, I did...TheScreamingEagles said:
It was the 80s.Sunil_Prasannan said:
So why does you support a footie team from (historic) Lancashire????TheScreamingEagles said:I have dropped into a full blown Yorkshire accent, which means whenever I say ‘couldn’t’ I drop the c-bomb
I wasn’t allowed to go to football matches, Liverpool were the only team on the telly, plus my Dad I liked them too.
You can change your job, citizenship, name, heck you can even change your wife but you can never change the football team you support.0 -
No. I've several friends from Sheffield who are adamant that 'bread cake' is the agreed local term.Foxy said:
Do you mean Cobs?Stark_Dawning said:
Do you also do that weird Sheffield thing of calling bread rolls 'bread cakes'?TheScreamingEagles said:For me it is Baarth and baff.
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Unspoofable!HYUFD said:
The failure of the pro Euro Conservative Party shows there was no point Hague taking a different lineDecrepitJohnL said:
You don't build a Tory election campaign around what is already Labour policy. Vote for us, we'll do the same as them? Page 94 of the manifesto, perhaps, along with the motherhood and apple pie stuff but not the central campaign.Slackbladder said:
You have to campaign on 'something'. In 2001, Labour were still very much in honeymoon period even 4 years after being in power. Better to have someting simple to build something around, even if its not much.DecrepitJohnL said:
Hague's campaign ranks with Lord Lucan's whereabouts as one of the great mysteries of the age. Hague campaigned against joining the Euro -- which had already been ruled out by Labour. Did Hague not read the newspapers? Then, allegedly, CCHQ would filter out honest but adverse reports so Hague never learned how badly this was going down on the doorstep.tlg86 said:
In part because people didn't think there was a genuine chance of Britain joining the Euro.williamglenn said:
Why do you think Hague's 2001 general election campaign was such an abject failure? (Several orders of magnitude worse than May 2017.)Morris_Dancer said:Mr. Glenn, no. Despite what EU-philes might dream of, the UK never wanted to throw away our currency and monetary policy.
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Irish news: the Yes (pro-choice) side in the abortion referendum are continuing to complain about how the No side are campaigning. Having been riled by their opponents' behaviour in last Monday's TV debate, they are now complaining at the way that the No side are referring to children with Down's syndrome.
This is in a country where the abortion debate has for many years featured arguments concerning sometimes hypothetical and sometimes real examples involving extreme and especially emotive cases such as raped nuns and victims of under-age and incestuous rape. The debate has not moved on from that stage and it is often argued like that rather than with reference to the much more common experience where a woman who has become pregnant after consensual sex with her boyfriend or husband - and after the failure of contraception rather than its non-use - undergoes the stress and expense of travelling to GB for an abortion, or who has to break the law by using an abortifacient she has ordered online from abroad.
It is not good for the Yes side that they feel they have to complain about how the No side are campaigning - especially when both sides have presented their arguments with reference to especially harrowing cases.
The Yes side, while still ahead in the polls, appear to be on the back foot or even on the run. The remaining TV debates of today and tomorrow look as though they will be interesting. If the narrative between now and Friday continues to be one of "Look what you'll be responsible for if you vote for repeal" from No and "You're not campaigning nicely" from Yes, then No are in with a good chance.0 -
No, ask John Stevens MEP how he did at the 1999 European elections and the 2001 general election .williamglenn said:
Unspoofable!HYUFD said:
The failure of the pro Euro Conservative Party shows there was no point Hague taking a different lineDecrepitJohnL said:
You don't build a Tory election campaign around what is already Labour policy. Vote for us, we'll do the same as them? Page 94 of the manifesto, perhaps, along with the motherhood and apple pie stuff but not the central campaign.Slackbladder said:
You have to campaign on 'something'. In 2001, Labour were still very much in honeymoon period even 4 years after being in power. Better to have someting simple to build something around, even if its not much.DecrepitJohnL said:
Hague's campaign ranks with Lord Lucan's whereabouts as one of the great mysteries of the age. Hague campaigned against joining the Euro -- which had already been ruled out by Labour. Did Hague not read the newspapers? Then, allegedly, CCHQ would filter out honest but adverse reports so Hague never learned how badly this was going down on the doorstep.tlg86 said:
In part because people didn't think there was a genuine chance of Britain joining the Euro.williamglenn said:
Why do you think Hague's 2001 general election campaign was such an abject failure? (Several orders of magnitude worse than May 2017.)Morris_Dancer said:Mr. Glenn, no. Despite what EU-philes might dream of, the UK never wanted to throw away our currency and monetary policy.
Times change.
He and most of the Pro Euro Conservative Party won 0 seats in both elections and both Stevens and most of his supporters ended up in the LDs by the end of 20010 -
Who was your original team and what was the reason ?tlg86 said:
Yes you can, I did...TheScreamingEagles said:
It was the 80s.Sunil_Prasannan said:
So why does you support a footie team from (historic) Lancashire????TheScreamingEagles said:I have dropped into a full blown Yorkshire accent, which means whenever I say ‘couldn’t’ I drop the c-bomb
I wasn’t allowed to go to football matches, Liverpool were the only team on the telly, plus my Dad I liked them too.
You can change your job, citizenship, name, heck you can even change your wife but you can never change the football team you support.
Did you do a Sol Campbell ?0 -
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I love mushy peas.NickPalmer said:
The first time I was selected as a candidate, I'd never been to Notts before, and had been living abroad. I had a meal in a cafe and noticed that they offered mushy peas. I thought this was an honest confession - didn't realise anyone actually thought it a good thing.Casino_Royale said:
Calling the evening meal “tea” is the sign of a savage.Pulpstar said:
Nottinghamshire surprises me . Anyway it is Breakfast, lunch then tea as per the cricket.Morris_Dancer said:Polling evidence about the wrongness of Mr. Eagles (again), this time about meals:
https://twitter.com/YouGov/status/998867148071202816
I acclimatised, and now positively prefer them.0 -
I alternate between gravy, mushy peas and curry sauce with my chips. And just occasionally have mayonnaise.0
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Half vinegar, half brown sauce, 100% boak.DavidL said:
Even as an ex student of Edinburgh Uni I find it the devil's food.
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I think Yes will win 2:1.Purple said:Irish news: the Yes (pro-choice) side in the abortion referendum are continuing to complain about how the No side are campaigning. Having been riled by their opponents' behaviour in last Monday's TV debate, they are now complaining at the way that the No side are referring to children with Down's syndrome.
This is in a country where the abortion debate has for many years featured arguments concerning sometimes hypothetical and sometimes real examples involving extreme and especially emotive cases such as raped nuns and victims of under-age and incestuous rape. The debate has not moved on from that stage and it is often argued like that rather than with reference to the much more common experience where a woman who has become pregnant after consensual sex with her boyfriend or husband - and after the failure of contraception rather than its non-use - undergoes the stress and expense of travelling to GB for an abortion, or who has to break the law by using an abortifacient she has ordered online from abroad.
It is not good for the Yes side that they feel they have to complain about how the No side are campaigning - especially when both sides have presented their arguments with reference to especially harrowing cases.
The Yes side, while still ahead in the polls, appear to be on the back foot or even on the run. The remaining TV debates of today and tomorrow look as though they will be interesting. If the narrative between now and Friday continues to be one of "Look what you'll be responsible for if you vote for repeal" from No and "You're not campaigning nicely" from Yes, then No are in with a good chance.0 -
Remember these countries are only joining if we aren't having a referendum - otherwise it's xenophobic lies to suggest we aren't stringing them along.Ishmael_Z said:First hit in a search for new countries joining the eu:
Joining the EU
Albania.
Bosnia and Herzegovina.
Former Yugoslav Republic of Macedonia.
Kosovo*
Montenegro.
Serbia.
Turkey.
Useful guidance on the ordinary meaning of "joining", from the eu website . All this desperate stuff to the contrary is like saying on saturday morning that harry was not marrying meghan because he might be but what if someone piped up with a just impediment?
But anyway the gravamen of the Turkey charge is not that it was false, surely? If we could amend xenophobic liar to xenophobic mischief maker on the standard charge sheet we wouldn't have to keep having this particular argument.-1 -
I think Yes will win but by less than the gay marriage referendumDavidL said:
I think Yes will win 2:1.Purple said:Irish news: the Yes (pro-choice) side in the abortion referendum are continuing to complain about how the No side are campaigning. Having been riled by their opponents' behaviour in last Monday's TV debate, they are now complaining at the way that the No side are referring to children with Down's syndrome.
This is in a country where the abortion debate has for many years featured arguments concerning sometimes hypothetical and sometimes real examples involving extreme and especially emotive cases such as raped nuns and victims of under-age and incestuous rape. The debate has not moved on from that stage and it is often argued like that rather than with reference to the much more common experience where a woman who has become pregnant after consensual sex with her boyfriend or husband - and after the failure of contraception rather than its non-use - undergoes the stress and expense of travelling to GB for an abortion, or who has to break the law by using an abortifacient she has ordered online from abroad.
It is not good for the Yes side that they feel they have to complain about how the No side are campaigning - especially when both sides have presented their arguments with reference to especially harrowing cases.
The Yes side, while still ahead in the polls, appear to be on the back foot or even on the run. The remaining TV debates of today and tomorrow look as though they will be interesting. If the narrative between now and Friday continues to be one of "Look what you'll be responsible for if you vote for repeal" from No and "You're not campaigning nicely" from Yes, then No are in with a good chance.0 -
I was surprised that John Bercow couldn't bring himself to apologise, if not for his behaviour tout court then at least in a mealymouthed way for causing offence or for his tone of voice. He just didn't apologise at all and effectively said that the word stupid "was used" (who by - Father Christmas?) because he was doing his duty to stand up for the common good of the House and the British people. He's not cutting a very good picture at the moment.Scott_P said:0 -
Ketchup with either mushy or garden peas for me.0
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It's a mixture of brown sauce and vinegar.DavidL said:0 -
Your link actually calls them “candidate countries” and points out that joining is not a straightforward linear process.Ishmael_Z said:First hit in a search for new countries joining the eu:
Joining the EU
Albania.
Bosnia and Herzegovina.
Former Yugoslav Republic of Macedonia.
Kosovo*
Montenegro.
Serbia.
Turkey.
Useful guidance on the ordinary meaning of "joining", from the eu website . All this desperate stuff to the contrary is like saying on saturday morning that harry was not marrying meghan because he might be but what if someone piped up with a just impediment?
But anyway the gravamen of the Turkey charge is not that it was false, surely? If we could amend xenophobic liar to xenophobic mischief maker on the standard charge sheet we wouldn't have to keep having this particular argument.
https://europa.eu/european-union/about-eu/countries_en0 -
I despise mushy peas. I love garden peas, but mushy peas just make my stomach turn. As for curry sauce... bleugh.Casino_Royale said:
I love mushy peas.NickPalmer said:
The first time I was selected as a candidate, I'd never been to Notts before, and had been living abroad. I had a meal in a cafe and noticed that they offered mushy peas. I thought this was an honest confession - didn't realise anyone actually thought it a good thing.Casino_Royale said:
Calling the evening meal “tea” is the sign of a savage.Pulpstar said:
Nottinghamshire surprises me . Anyway it is Breakfast, lunch then tea as per the cricket.Morris_Dancer said:Polling evidence about the wrongness of Mr. Eagles (again), this time about meals:
https://twitter.com/YouGov/status/998867148071202816
I acclimatised, and now positively prefer them.0 -
Gay marriage had 62% in favour. I will be surprised if it is any closer than that. The Catholic Church is nothing like the power it was.HYUFD said:
I think Yes will win but by less than the gay marriage referendumDavidL said:
I think Yes will win 2:1.Purple said:Irish news: the Yes (pro-choice) side in the abortion referendum are continuing to complain about how the No side are campaigning. Having been riled by their opponents' behaviour in last Monday's TV debate, they are now complaining at the way that the No side are referring to children with Down's syndrome.
This is in a country where the abortion debate has for many years featured arguments concerning sometimes hypothetical and sometimes real examples involving extreme and especially emotive cases such as raped nuns and victims of under-age and incestuous rape. The debate has not moved on from that stage and it is often argued like that rather than with reference to the much more common experience where a woman who has become pregnant after consensual sex with her boyfriend or husband - and after the failure of contraception rather than its non-use - undergoes the stress and expense of travelling to GB for an abortion, or who has to break the law by using an abortifacient she has ordered online from abroad.
It is not good for the Yes side that they feel they have to complain about how the No side are campaigning - especially when both sides have presented their arguments with reference to especially harrowing cases.
The Yes side, while still ahead in the polls, appear to be on the back foot or even on the run. The remaining TV debates of today and tomorrow look as though they will be interesting. If the narrative between now and Friday continues to be one of "Look what you'll be responsible for if you vote for repeal" from No and "You're not campaigning nicely" from Yes, then No are in with a good chance.0 -
Tartar sauce and no kind of peas for me. Vive la France!0
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I do love the Turkey/EU discussion.
EU - "Turkey are joining the EU"
Turkey - "We are joining the EU"
UK - "We support Turkey joining the EU"
Vote Leave - "Turkey are joining the EU"
Remain - "XENOPHOBIC LIES!"0 -
Anyone spring to mind?Sean_F said:
Or they *wish* to believe that attitudes have hardened,.CarlottaVance said:An academic writes...
....the public have become more positive about immigration. Far fewer see it as a major political priority and more see it as positive for Britain’s economy and culture. What is more, this shift is seen across the board — it isn’t a case of liberal “Remainers” rallying behind migrants, while migrant sceptic “Leavers” dig in their heels. The positive shift in attitudes seems to be occurring across the political and social spectrum.
....why isn’t this shift more widely known and discussed on the pro-migration, “Remain” side of politics. Here I must resort to anecdote and unrepresentative data a little, but it is my firm impression that politically active “Remainers” and migration liberals tend to believe things have become worse since Brexit......It does seem that the conventional wisdom among this unusually well informed and engaged group is that migration attitudes have hardened since Brexit. Yet the evidence robustly points in the opposite direction
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Apparently not in NI either if that unification poll is anything to go by.DavidL said:
Gay marriage had 62% in favour. I will be surprised if it is any closer than that. The Catholic Church is nothing like the power it was.HYUFD said:
I think Yes will win but by less than the gay marriage referendumDavidL said:
I think Yes will win 2:1.Purple said:Irish news: the Yes (pro-choice) side in the abortion referendum are continuing to complain about how the No side are campaigning. Having been riled by their opponents' behaviour in last Monday's TV debate, they are now complaining at the way that the No side are referring to children with Down's syndrome.
This is in a country where the abortion debate has for many years featured arguments concerning sometimes hypothetical and sometimes real examples involving extreme and especially emotive cases such as raped nuns and victims of under-age and incestuous rape. The debate has not moved on from that stage and it is often argued like that rather than with reference to the much more common experience where a woman who has become pregnant after consensual sex with her boyfriend or husband - and after the failure of contraception rather than its non-use - undergoes the stress and expense of travelling to GB for an abortion, or who has to break the law by using an abortifacient she has ordered online from abroad.
It is not good for the Yes side that they feel they have to complain about how the No side are campaigning - especially when both sides have presented their arguments with reference to especially harrowing cases.
The Yes side, while still ahead in the polls, appear to be on the back foot or even on the run. The remaining TV debates of today and tomorrow look as though they will be interesting. If the narrative between now and Friday continues to be one of "Look what you'll be responsible for if you vote for repeal" from No and "You're not campaigning nicely" from Yes, then No are in with a good chance.0 -
Mushy peas with mint sauce and hot pork pie is divineJosiasJessop said:
I despise mushy peas. I love garden peas, but mushy peas just make my stomach turn. As for curry sauce... bleugh.Casino_Royale said:
I love mushy peas.NickPalmer said:
The first time I was selected as a candidate, I'd never been to Notts before, and had been living abroad. I had a meal in a cafe and noticed that they offered mushy peas. I thought this was an honest confession - didn't realise anyone actually thought it a good thing.Casino_Royale said:
Calling the evening meal “tea” is the sign of a savage.Pulpstar said:
Nottinghamshire surprises me . Anyway it is Breakfast, lunch then tea as per the cricket.Morris_Dancer said:Polling evidence about the wrongness of Mr. Eagles (again), this time about meals:
https://twitter.com/YouGov/status/998867148071202816
I acclimatised, and now positively prefer them. 0 -
It will surely be followed by Ishmael telling us why Gove didn’t say we’d had enough of experts.MaxPB said:I do love the Turkey/EU discussion.
EU - "Turkey are joining the EU"
Turkey - "We are joining the EU"
UK - "We support Turkey joining the EU"
Vote Leave - "Turkey are joining the EU"
Remain - "XENOPHOBIC LIES!"0 -
Yes of course it does. Which doesn't alter its validity as evidence that a fair one word summary for the situation of all those countries - all of them including Turkey a thousand miles behind where Turkey was in June 2016 - is "joining".williamglenn said:
Your link actually calls them “candidate countries” and points out that joining is not a straightforward linear process.Ishmael_Z said:First hit in a search for new countries joining the eu:
Joining the EU
Albania.
Bosnia and Herzegovina.
Former Yugoslav Republic of Macedonia.
Kosovo*
Montenegro.
Serbia.
Turkey.
Useful guidance on the ordinary meaning of "joining", from the eu website . All this desperate stuff to the contrary is like saying on saturday morning that harry was not marrying meghan because he might be but what if someone piped up with a just impediment?
But anyway the gravamen of the Turkey charge is not that it was false, surely? If we could amend xenophobic liar to xenophobic mischief maker on the standard charge sheet we wouldn't have to keep having this particular argument.
https://europa.eu/european-union/about-eu/countries_en0 -
Ah - you were just stupid enough to believe what Cameron said - all the clever remainers knew he was lying. That's why you are Xenophobic and they aren't..MaxPB said:I do love the Turkey/EU discussion.
EU - "Turkey are joining the EU"
Turkey - "We are joining the EU"
UK - "We support Turkey joining the EU"
Vote Leave - "Turkey are joining the EU"
Remain - "XENOPHOBIC LIES!"0 -
Well, remainers and Eurocrats need to differentiate their lies from the other side and this is their mode of choice. It’s a therapy thing and unkind to be too harsh about it.MaxPB said:I do love the Turkey/EU discussion.
EU - "Turkey are joining the EU"
Turkey - "We are joining the EU"
UK - "We support Turkey joining the EU"
Vote Leave - "Turkey are joining the EU"
Remain - "XENOPHOBIC LIES!"
BTW how are you and I able to give a better forecast of the deficit than the Treasury? I think we both said it would be about £40bn. It’s almost like some there have an agenda.0 -
Sheffield Wednesday. They are my dad's team. Funnily enough, my first game at Highbury was the night Wednesday were relegated from the PL.TheScreamingEagles said:
Who was your original team and what was the reason ?tlg86 said:
Yes you can, I did...TheScreamingEagles said:
It was the 80s.Sunil_Prasannan said:
So why does you support a footie team from (historic) Lancashire????TheScreamingEagles said:I have dropped into a full blown Yorkshire accent, which means whenever I say ‘couldn’t’ I drop the c-bomb
I wasn’t allowed to go to football matches, Liverpool were the only team on the telly, plus my Dad I liked them too.
You can change your job, citizenship, name, heck you can even change your wife but you can never change the football team you support.
Did you do a Sol Campbell ?
If I moved up north I'd go back to supporting them.0 -
I thought the Belgian habit of dunking their chips in mayonnaise pretty gross.....until I tried it......very much in the philosophy of 'might as well be hanged for a sheep as a lamb'....DavidL said:
Some people in Edinburgh put brown sauce on their fish and chips. I mean, how weird is that?tlg86 said:Ketchup or Brown Sauce?
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My cousin has just announced she's having her wedding in Cornwall so everyone is heading down there in mid August. We've got a free day on Sunday (wedding on Saturday) and we're fairly certain my uncle isn't going to host anything on that day.
We're going to be in Liskegard, any recommendations for for dinner/tea/supper (have I missed any?) on the way back to London?0 -
So we are getting somewhere. You see it as a 'joining procedure' meaning, in your mind, that they were joining. That is patently wrong.Philip_Thompson said:
There was no date set, they were in the negotiations stage of the joining procedure.JosiasJessop said:
Yet you think they were 'joining', despite all the evidence to the contrary. They were negotiating to join, which is a very different thing.Philip_Thompson said:
I would only expect keys, parking space etc (if they go with the job) once I'd joined not before. Nobody said that Turkey had joined the EU.JosiasJessop said:They have not been voted in, and they could not be voted in until they had met the AC - which, as I show above, was happening very slowly.
I look forward to you attending your next job interview and, as a candidate, asking for the keys to the executive washroom and for your name on a parking space as you shake their hands at the end.
In fact, Turkey weren't even at the interview stage. They were a pimply 12-year old Geek sending a letter to join NASA, and being told: "Sure, we'd love to consider you, but only when you pass all your exams and meet all these other criteria."
(worst. analogy. ever.)
If they were 'joining', as you think, then what was their date of entry?
If you pass an interview, get an offer, and accept that offer, then you are 'joining' the company. You are not 'joining' it at the interview stage, and Turkey were not even at that point.
It was actually a negotiations process, with an uncertain end result. Saying they were 'joining' implies a certainty. You could say that they wish to join, or that the EU wished them to join (although both of those may or may not be correct); you cannot say they were 'joining'.
Turkey would only be 'joining' once the negotiations are complete and the votes carried out. That never happened, and was very unlikely to.0 -
That seems pretty harsh on Corbyn. He has been pretty clear to anyone willing to listen.AndyJS said:0 -
Yes, it is turning into their security blanket.DavidL said:
Well, remainers and Eurocrats need to differentiate their lies from the other side and this is their mode of choice. It’s a therapy thing and unkind to be too harsh about it.MaxPB said:I do love the Turkey/EU discussion.
EU - "Turkey are joining the EU"
Turkey - "We are joining the EU"
UK - "We support Turkey joining the EU"
Vote Leave - "Turkey are joining the EU"
Remain - "XENOPHOBIC LIES!"
BTW how are you and I able to give a better forecast of the deficit than the Treasury? I think we both said it would be about £40bn. It’s almost like some there have an agenda.
I was very surprised when the OBR projected that PSNBex would be £45bn in March. They have access to much more data than us plebs and they were still out by £5bn within a month of the data being released.
The issue, IMO, is the poor quality of statistics from the ONS and whoever they have working on the national accounts/GDP. It's pretty clear that Q1 growth was somewhere around 0.3%. I'd be wary of saying it's a politically motivated agenda, however, given that debt keeps getting revised down and GDP up it's becoming difficult to see how it could be anything else.0 -
It's the LIES bit that puzzles me. A wholehearted remainer would surely welcome the accession of millions of very poor Muslims to The Project as making it even more glorious than it is now. Unless they have something against Muslims...MaxPB said:I do love the Turkey/EU discussion.
EU - "Turkey are joining the EU"
Turkey - "We are joining the EU"
UK - "We support Turkey joining the EU"
Vote Leave - "Turkey are joining the EU"
Remain - "XENOPHOBIC LIES!"0
