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Ken Livingstone has announced that he is resigning from the Labour Party saying the issues around his suspension for alleged anti-Semitism had become a "distraction"
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UKIP only put up candidates in 60% of GB seats. Scaling up, and allowing for UKIP tending not to stand in their weaker areas (sitting out in 49 Scottish seats, for instance) and they would probably have been just shy of 3% had they stood everywhere.
* Using the five polls by unique pollsters conducted wholly during May 2018.
The interesting question is whether Blair, like Livingstone now, is no longer a Labour Party member?
Mike Smithson seems to have the impression that the next election campaign will be significantly shorter than in 2017, but I fail to understand the reasoning behind that. Given the terms of the FTPA and the need to tidy up Parliamentary business prior to Dissolution the campaign period will be at least 6 weeks. If Corbyn refused to play ball at all, that could easily be stretched to 7 weeks.
Some are on sale for more than 20 times face value, with one ticket on a resale website priced at more than £14,000.
Make me eat a Hawaiian pizza any day rather than have to pay that much ich...
He;s read one dodgy book on the appropriation of the Jews assets and treats it as the True Word.
A GCSE student could point out why Hitler was not a Zionist.
In the same way a hostage is not a terrorist.
He is a real ass on this issue and refuses to learn.
A true Corbynista. Once mind is made up, it can never be unmade. And damn the evidence that says it should!
Btw, did anyone ever look into whether there was any age bias in the Leave vote?
One can only speculate as to why he wants to diminish this very essential part of Nazi ideology and claim that Zionists were in league with Hitler.
I notice that one of his anti semitic crimes was supporting a Labour MP who tweeted that Israel could have been positioned in Texas. That was a joke first told by a Jewish Polish comedian. He said that as Israelis couldn't co exist with the Palestinians but the Americans loved them so why not set it down in Texas and then everyone's happy!
Before the introduction of the Travelcard, tickets for the London Underground were purchased on a 'point-to-point' basis between two stations, either as a single, return or season ticket; and were priced according to distance travelled.[4] Tickets for travel on London Buses and British Rail were purchased separately.[4] The Travelcard was introduced as the third in a series of major fare revisions that had started in 1981.[2] The introduction of the Travelcard was intended to increase patronage on London Underground and London Buses, particularly during less busy times and to speed up the boarding of bus services.[4]
On 4 October 1981, following the Greater London Council election, the incoming Labour administration simplified fares in Greater London by introducing four new bus fare zones and two central London Underground zones, named City and West End, where flat fares applied for the first time.[4] This was accompanied by a cut in prices of about a third and was marketed as the Fares Fair campaign.[2] Following successful legal action against it, on 21 March 1982[5] London Bus fares were doubled and London Underground fares increased by 91%.[2] The two central area zones were retained and the fares to all other stations were restructured to be graduated at three mile intervals; and thus grouping those stations within three miles of the central zones in an 'inner zone'.[4]
In 1983, a third revision of fares was undertaken, and a new inter-modal Travelcard season ticket was launched covering five new numbered zones; representing an overall cut in prices of around 25%.[2] The One Day Travelcard was launched in 1984 and on weekdays was only sold for travel after 09.30.[4] In January 1985 the Capitalcard season ticket was launched, offering validity on British Rail services as well as London Underground and London Buses. It was priced around 10-15% higher than the Travelcard.[4] The card was marketed under the brand "The London Connection", illustrated with an image of an electric plug bringing together the corporate identities of British Rail and London Transport. In June 1986 the One Day Capitalcard was launched.[4] The Capitalcard brand ended in January 1989 when the Travelcard gained validity on British Rail and DLR services. In January 1991 Zone 5 was split to create a new Zone 6.[4]
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Travelcard
Fact remains though that Travelcard as we know it today dates from 1989 when it replaced Capitalcard and was accepted on the rail system for the first time.
https://twitter.com/simongerman600/status/997835289400938496?s=19
Livingstone anyway had decisively won the Labour membership and union section of the electoral college to pick Labour's candidate, winning 60% of London Labour members votes and 72% of union votes, Dobson just scraped home through the votes of Labour elected officials and GLA candidates
He lost the 2008 election as an incumbent, and 2012 again in a year when Labour won the Assembly by 10%.
And speaking of anti-semitism & sometime Labour party politicians, let's not forget Gorgeous George, who won Glasgow Hillhead (from Roy Jenkins), then Bethnal Green (from Oona King), finally Bradford West (on an absolute landslide historical blowout)
Livingstone in 2000 won normally Tory areas like Hillingdon, Barnet and Havering and in 2004 Richmond and Kingston Upon Thames where Labour is traditionally weak.
From memory Ken Loach was going to direct but several Jewish groups protested and the play had to be abandoned. There was a lot of acrimony in Jewish circles around pro and anti censorship and the left generally took the view that free speech was paramount.
I haven't heard this used as an explanation for Ken's obsession but being such a high profile event and in London I wouldn't be at all surprised. It sucked in a lot of people my aunt being one of them.
Glasgow Hillhead had NEVER had a Labour MP.
"Livingstone in 2000 won normally Tory areas like Hillingdon, Barnet and Havering and in 2004 Richmond and Kingston Upon Thames where Labour is traditionally weak."
Weren't these areas grouped, as in 'South West'?
Whether grouped or not Livingstone still won them
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kastner_train
https://www.newstatesman.com/node/149377
https://www.ft.com/content/dcdfe116-ef08-11d9-8b10-00000e2511c8
Lots of people think Hitler was a great guy, but it will finish your political career to say so.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_the_Jews_in_Hungary#The_Holocaust
Hungary's Schindler?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Perdition_(play)
The play was never mentioned. In short Ken’s historical source came from someone who both got his facts wrong and had a sinister agenda.
I will see if I can find the article where this is set out.
But really this ought to be unnecessary. Ken has acted like a sort of left-wing version of David Irving or a member of the National Front. The mystery is why so many people have rushed to defend him rather than recoiling from someone passing off the lies and untruths of Holocaust deniers as fact.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antisemitism_in_the_Soviet_Union
On the one verifiable via a quick youtube assertion Ken makes about Netanyahu agreeing with his position on Hitler, Ken states that *1 Hitler wanted to expel the Jews in collaboration with zionists.
Netanyahu states that Hitler wanted to expel the Jews and Amin Al Husseini instead persuaded Hitler to 'burn them' *2
Historian David Mikics notes that Rubin and Schwanitz (Para 3, ref *3) advance Amin Al Hussein as the man behind the holocaust, in para 3* they note this is 'astonishing'
In para 4* he gives what he believes is a religious-political motive for the claim of Rubin/Schwanitz
'The claim that al-Husaini was the hidden hand behind Adolf Hitler is implausible, even silly. Rubin and Schwanitz are historians with a political agenda: They want to show that eliminationist anti-Semitism animates the Islamic Middle East, and so they paint al-Husaini as so devilishly anti-Semitic that he can contend with Hitler himself.'
Mikics notes in para 9* the explanation for the holocaust is more plausibly all Hitler..
As Christopher Browning has argued, Hitler’s opting for genocide can much more plausibly be traced to his exultation over what looked like a blitzschnell conquest of Russia in midsummer 1941. The fuehrer dropped his earlier vague notion of getting rid of millions of Jews by shipping them “beyond the Urals”; in the joy of what he thought was victory, he set about to make his new Eastern empire Judenfrei in the most direct and terrible way imaginable.
*1 https://www.standard.co.uk/news/politics/ken-livingstone-sparks-outrage-after-repeatedly-bringing-up-hitler-in-yet-another-live-tv-interview-a3831266.html 1:06
*2 https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=8&v=XnXS146cxLE&ytbChannel=null 2:40 -> 3:20
*3 http://www.tabletmag.com/jewish-arts-and-culture/254781/industrial-removal-office
So in summary, no Netanyahu does not agree with Ken.
Netanyahu's point made in the Youtube video is regarded as contentious at the least, and the same point made by Rubin & Schwanitz could be regarded as having a political agenda itself.
Mikics does however come to the conclusion that if Rubin & Schwanitz hypothesis is true (He thinks it is bunkum) then the logical conclusion is that zionism did cause the holocaust.
I am sure Netanyahu would not agree with this, as it is supposition from a position Mikics believes not to be true - and it fundamentally disagrees with Livingstone's interpretation.
Quite why Ken has been pointing out such a contentious line that has very questionable evidence (Netanyahu said half the story is not good enough) I'm really not sure.
What about this sentence?
“It was aimed at ordinary, working-class Londoners, black and white, Muslim and Christian, Hindu and Jew, young and old.”
Why the reference to “working-class Londoners”? If the attack had been aimed at “middle class” Londoners or even “upper class Londoners” would that have been OK? It was an odd phrase to use and it struck me so at the time.
Maybe he meant “working” Londoners? But what about the retired or visitors or the unemployed or mothers out with children? It was not an off the cuff speech and while the rest was fine that was a very wrong note in it.
This was not a terrorist attack against the mighty and the powerful. It was not aimed at Presidents or Prime Ministers. It was aimed at ordinary, working-class Londoners, black and white, Muslim and Christian, Hindu and Jew, young and old. It was an indiscriminate attempt to slaughter, irrespective of any considerations for age, for class, for religion, or whatever.
The attached sets out why Brenner’s understanding of history was flawed - http://fathomjournal.org/an-antisemitic-hoax-lenni-brenner-on-zionist-collaboration-with-the-nazis/.
As it seemed so sad , just the day after , I heard London had won the Olympics as I was driving to work.
I took it that the bombs going off just before 9am was aimed at mainly working people , in the rush hour , for major impact.
It was a bum note in an otherwise good speech.
Very interesting. Everyone has an agenda. As for Netanyahu's judgement watch the first minute of this(though all five minutes are worth watching) An Israeli comic
And I’m sorry I don’t accept that: an evil act is not made less evil because of who it is notionally aimed at. When the IRA launched a mortar bomb at Downing Street they were just as evil as those who blew themselves up on a tube or who attack a soldier in the street.
"Emily Thornberry is too old for ISIS. They won't make a sex slave out of her. They'll behead her and dump her in a mass grave"
As well as another tweet on that theme
https://twitter.com/spajw/status/998327364517007360?s=21
https://twitter.com/forwardnotback/status/998325164969426944
https://twitter.com/GOsborneGenius/status/998448896480292864
https://twitter.com/GOsborneGenius/status/998614952444334083
Italy’s Borrowing Costs Exceed Indonesia's
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2018-05-21/italy-a-submerging-market-as-borrowing-costs-exceed-indonesia-s