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The ‘gammon’ insult is fuelled by class hatred. It expresses the visceral contempt felt by bourgeois Corbynistas for people further down the social ladder. We now know how thoroughly Labour has been captured by a new elite.
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If Labour turn off all the 'Gammons' and white middle class men they are not going to win over the marginal seats in the Midlands they need under FPTP for a majority.
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Some vegetarian gammon-substitute for me, please
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Gammons = Deplorables. Why do people not fucking learn?0
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Who cares?
It's probably too subtle for me anyway.
Or boring.0 -
Anyone for a Gammon and Pineapple Pizza?
The Silly Season is officially launched by this storm in a teacup.0 -
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If only the Arabs had opted for the two-state solution per UN General Assembly resolution 181 back in 1947....nunuone said:twitter.com/RVAwonk/status/996078231466971136
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Yes very true , is that why , Janan Ganesh deleted his tweet saying Corbynistas were " thick as pigshit " Ft columnist.Sean_F said:
It's an odd feature of modern politics that many people think that insulting their opponents helps their cause.Ishmael_Z said:Gammons = Deplorables. Why do people not fucking learn?
https://www.newstatesman.com/politics/uk/2018/05/new-left-wing-insult-gammon-racist-towards-white-men
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'Palestinians hurled stones and incendiary devices'.nunuone said:
www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-44116340
'Incendiary weapons, incendiary devices or incendiary bombs are weapons designed to start fires or destroy sensitive equipment using fire, that use materials such as napalm, thermite, magnesium powder, chlorine trifluoride, or white phosphorus.'
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Incendiary_device
Israeli troops may have been over zealous in their response but the rioters were pretty violent too
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Wouldn't want to be tarred with the epitaph of an honest journalist?Yorkcity said:
Yes very true , is that why , Janan Ganesh deleted his tweet saying Corbynistas were " thick as pigshit " Ft columnist.Sean_F said:
It's an odd feature of modern politics that many people think that insulting their opponents helps their cause.Ishmael_Z said:Gammons = Deplorables. Why do people not fucking learn?
https://www.newstatesman.com/politics/uk/2018/05/new-left-wing-insult-gammon-racist-towards-white-men
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The problem with most gammon is that it's too salty. Give it a 24-hour soak then smash it with black treacle. A Christmas centrepiece far superior to turkey.0
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Not all sweetness and light in the Royal household then.
Megan's Father may not attend the wedding apparently0 -
How is this latest uninventive internet gibe any different to the unoriginal dirge we see on here on a daily basis? Remainiac, snowflake, waycist, it's a view, unspoofable, x stage of grief etc etc etc. These memes are all teeth-grindingly awful.0
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Suffered a heart attack, apparentlyBig_G_NorthWales said:Not all sweetness and light in the Royal household then.
Megan's Father may not attend the wedding apparently0 -
I prefer it to soak it in knock-off coke (the cola obviously not the drug)Anazina said:The problem with most gammon is that it's too salty. Give it a 24-hour soak then smash it with black treacle. A Christmas centrepiece far superior to turkey.
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TheWhiteRabbit said:
I prefer it to soak it in knock-off coke (the cola obviously not the drug)Anazina said:The problem with most gammon is that it's too salty. Give it a 24-hour soak then smash it with black treacle. A Christmas centrepiece far superior to turkey.
I keep meaning to try that recipe – also Nigella's I believe.TheWhiteRabbit said:
I prefer it to soak it in knock-off coke (the cola obviously not the drug)Anazina said:The problem with most gammon is that it's too salty. Give it a 24-hour soak then smash it with black treacle. A Christmas centrepiece far superior to turkey.
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I thought pineapple pizza was Canadian?Foxy said:
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"TMZ reports that Thomas suffered a heart attack six days ago, but had checked himself out of the hospital in order to attend the royal wedding. Kensington Palace announced that he was set to walk Meghan down the aisle earlier this month. However, he has decided not attend the wedding after it was revealed that he staged several photoshoots with a paparazzi agency ahead of the wedding. According to TMZ, he says that he will not attend because he does not want to embarrass Meghan or the royal family."Scott_P said:
Suffered a heart attack, apparentlyBig_G_NorthWales said:Not all sweetness and light in the Royal household then.
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My dear wife and I leave on Thursday to fly to Rome for a 14 day cruise to the Western Med and Greece and then when we come home we are travelling to visit our family in North East Scotland.
I will keep an eye on PB but there is time for Brexit to be fixed and the Nation to come together over the next four weeks isn't there and I will look forward to the new topics to discuss on my return.
Be nice to one another and while I have no idea what this talk about 'gammon' is I would expect I may have some on our cruise0 -
Socialism, and by that I mean all forms of socialism (scientific socialism, progressive socialism, international socialism,national socialism, revolutionary socialism, 21st Century socialism, Corbynista Socialism) is a way of thinking that puts people in to category’s (bourgeoisie, proletariat, capitalist, working class, Zionist, Jews, the many, and the few) and ascribing those groups characteristics, (oppressors, oppressed, victims, victimizes) and then setting yourself (or your party) up to ‘right’ the perceived wrongs.Ishmael_Z said:Gammons = Deplorables. Why do people not fucking learn?
Whether its ‘Deplorables’ or ‘Gammon’ Socialists will always try to put a label on people, and not see them as unique individuals, with their own individual characteristics: tastes, preferences, wants and desires, as well as their own Skiles, talents, and experiences.
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Have a nice holiday Big_G. Hopefully you don't miss TSE's magnum opus AV thread... 0
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Really - Sorry to hear thatScott_P said:
Suffered a heart attack, apparentlyBig_G_NorthWales said:Not all sweetness and light in the Royal household then.
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Has this 'gammon' thing been going on for a while? I confess its one that has passed me by, at least as a general thing. I think Cameron was called it on occasion? It's a bit of a blur.
I'm more a fan of political insults which I feel can work on a non partisan basis, if we must have them at all. Eg, snowflake - predominantly used against the left, but thing thing it is complaining about seems like it would work equally well against someone on the right. If they only go one way then it just feels a little sadder, since people will take it so much more seriously.
That is not difficult to achieve, in fairness. Much overhyped, Turkey.Anazina said:The problem with most gammon is that it's too salty. Give it a 24-hour soak then smash it with black treacle. A Christmas centrepiece far superior to turkey.
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Thanks - this is our 11th cruise and it is great to be all at sea just like BrexitRobD said:Have a nice holiday Big_G. Hopefully you don't miss TSE's magnum opus AV thread...
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LOL....Theuniondivvie said:
Doubt anyone/many outside of political twitter really cares about this Gammon thing. Certainly many of those offended today somehow managed to be oblivious to it being in use for nearly a whole year now. This is despite being the same people who issue a running commentary on the various issues they have with Corbynistas and Remainers since 2015/16.0 -
Is it even hyped? Most people dislike it I think, otherwise they would eat it more frequently.kle4 said:Has this 'gammon' thing been going on for a while? I confess its one that has passed me by, at least as a general thing. I think Cameron was called it on occasion? It's a bit of a blur.
I'm more a fan of political insults which I feel can work on a non partisan basis, if we must have them at all. Eg, snowflake - predominantly used against the left, but thing thing it is complaining about seems like it would work equally well against someone on the right. If they only go one way then it just feels a little sadder, since people will take it so much more seriously.
That is not difficult to achieve, in fairness. Much overhyped, Turkey.Anazina said:The problem with most gammon is that it's too salty. Give it a 24-hour soak then smash it with black treacle. A Christmas centrepiece far superior to turkey.
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If that is how strong people want to be, I honestly think it better if they do go back to that. Insults, particularly slightly goofy ones like a comparison to a piece of food, might give the impression of dislike and opposition, but not raw, visceral hatred. If people hate the other side so much they want to go around calling them c*nts all the time, best they be upfront about it.Theuniondivvie said:I agree with Kath.
https://twitter.com/KathyBurke/status/995960322543554560
It reminds me of just after Trump was elected (dark times indeed) some of my favourite youtube channels were doing a thing where they'd oh so subtly reference the event without directly stating it, along with a comment about how perhaps something really bad has happened and their viewers would like to escape all that via whatever the video was about. I felt like if they were so shocked and shaken at Trump's win (a not uncommon reaction!) and clearly felt their fans would be too, why be all cutesy about it, it just made it seem weird to me.0 -
Does that mean the collective noun is a basket?Ishmael_Z said:Gammons = Deplorables. Why do people not fucking learn?
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Over hyped as a good Christmas centrepiece perhaps.Anazina said:
Is it even hyped? Most people dislike it I think, otherwise they would eat it more frequently.kle4 said:Has this 'gammon' thing been going on for a while? I confess its one that has passed me by, at least as a general thing. I think Cameron was called it on occasion? It's a bit of a blur.
I'm more a fan of political insults which I feel can work on a non partisan basis, if we must have them at all. Eg, snowflake - predominantly used against the left, but thing thing it is complaining about seems like it would work equally well against someone on the right. If they only go one way then it just feels a little sadder, since people will take it so much more seriously.
That is not difficult to achieve, in fairness. Much overhyped, Turkey.Anazina said:The problem with most gammon is that it's too salty. Give it a 24-hour soak then smash it with black treacle. A Christmas centrepiece far superior to turkey.
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Turkey is truly awful, IMO. My family regularly have Gammon for Christmas (Gammon sandwiches). It’s much better than Turkey will be ever be.0
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A striking poll.
https://twitter.com/YouGov/status/9960628491087257600 -
No kidding. I follow a lot of politics and I'd never noticed it, and I cannot even manufacture outrage about it beyond a shrugged 'Well clearly we should all be less shitty to each other generally anyway'.The_Apocalypse said:
Doubt anyone/many outside of political twitter really cares about this Gammon thing. Certainly many of those offended today somehow managed to be oblivious to it being in use for nearly a whole year now. .Theuniondivvie said:
For all that I think the standard rule applies here, about how would people react if it were their opponents making the same sort of defence of issue x - I have zero doubt someone like Owen Jones would be apoplectic about it, but that's because he's such a partisan . And I think we know many who are outraged would not be so outraged if the tables were turned. It's not so outrageous as to cross partisan lines much.0 -
Could I point out that Gammon contains toxic quantities of Nitrites and Nitrates. However Parma Ham is free of these, and so is "naked bacon" available at Sainsbury or Waitrose.
https://www.theguardian.com/news/2018/mar/01/bacon-cancer-processed-meats-nitrates-nitrites-sausages0 -
Sky News on the Israel Gaza border
A 'Hamas Activist' is the first to be buried
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Not a fan of Gammon myself - depending on the size of the gathering my lot would go for Chicken, Lamb and Pork, so pretty much everyone could be happy.The_Apocalypse said:Turkey is truly awful, IMO. My family regularly have Gammon for Christmas (Gammon sandwiches). It’s much better than Turkey will be ever be.
I feel like there is an option missing there - how many thought it would go badly (or at least complicatedly) and it is turning out even more so than they thought.williamglenn said:A striking poll.
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I took it as a term of endearment - rustic old hearties tucking into their crackling. Anyway, the French have been using 'le rosbif' for centuries. A true Englishman should rather enjoy being likened to a joint of meat.0
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Agreed.kle4 said:
No kidding. I follow a lot of politics and I'd never noticed it, and I cannot even manufacture outrage about it beyond a shrugged 'Well clearly we should all be less shitty to each other generally anyway'.The_Apocalypse said:
Doubt anyone/many outside of political twitter really cares about this Gammon thing. Certainly many of those offended today somehow managed to be oblivious to it being in use for nearly a whole year now. .Theuniondivvie said:
For all that I think the standard rule applies here, about how would people react if it were their opponents making the same sort of defence of issue x - I have zero doubt someone like Owen Jones would be apoplectic about it, but that's because he's such a partisan . And I think we know many who are outraged would not be so outraged if the tables were turned. It's not so outrageous as to cross partisan lines much.0 -
Gammongate.0
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That said, with all that hot weather last weekend and an unwise decision to expose parts of my torso to the cruel rays of the sun, I have certainly been looking very gammon like for the past week.The_Apocalypse said:
Agreed.kle4 said:
No kidding. I follow a lot of politics and I'd never noticed it, and I cannot even manufacture outrage about it beyond a shrugged 'Well clearly we should all be less shitty to each other generally anyway'.The_Apocalypse said:
Doubt anyone/many outside of political twitter really cares about this Gammon thing. Certainly many of those offended today somehow managed to be oblivious to it being in use for nearly a whole year now. .Theuniondivvie said:
For all that I think the standard rule applies here, about how would people react if it were their opponents making the same sort of defence of issue x - I have zero doubt someone like Owen Jones would be apoplectic about it, but that's because he's such a partisan . And I think we know many who are outraged would not be so outraged if the tables were turned. It's not so outrageous as to cross partisan lines much.0 -
As a good Muslim boy I could never be gammon, right?0
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When will this lame Tory Government come out and condemn the rogue pariah nation of Israel? When FFS?0
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Poor Ivanka Trump. As every news channel pumps out images of her parading herself like a pampered mannequin and juxtapose the image against a backdrop of 55 slaughtered Palestinians the world becomes increasingly repulsed.0
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kle4 said:
That said, with all that hot weather last weekend and an unwise decision to expose parts of my torso to the cruel rays of the sun, I have certainly been looking very gammon like for the past week.The_Apocalypse said:
Agreed.kle4 said:
No kidding. I follow a lot of politics and I'd never noticed it, and I cannot even manufacture outrage about it beyond a shrugged 'Well clearly we should all be less shitty to each other generally anyway'.The_Apocalypse said:
Doubt anyone/many outside of political twitter really cares about this Gammon thing. Certainly many of those offended today somehow managed to be oblivious to it being in use for nearly a whole year now. .Theuniondivvie said:
For all that I think the standard rule applies here, about how would people react if it were their opponents making the same sort of defence of issue x - I have zero doubt someone like Owen Jones would be apoplectic about it, but that's because he's such a partisan . And I think we know many who are outraged would not be so outraged if the tables were turned. It's not so outrageous as to cross partisan lines much.
My family also prefer chicken, lamb and pork as well. We used to also like mutton as well, but we’ve gone off it in recent years.0 -
It's a subtle point, but I don't think that is anti-semitic. If he'd said that no Jewish people should compete then that would be.TheScreamingEagles said:0 -
Won't that just fall into the trap that while plenty of anti-semites disguise their anti-semitism as being anti the israeli state's actions, not everyone who opposes israel is an anti semite, and as silly as trying to boycott anything israeli is, it's not really a smoking gun as to his own views?TheScreamingEagles said:
I'm certainly not one to defend him, but he's not been harmed by far worse allegations.0 -
the sun appears to think corbyn being seen as anti Israeli is a vote loser for Labour. Perhaps its a vote winner?TheScreamingEagles said:
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But did he also campaign for Australia to be banned from Eurovision?Pulpstar said:
It's a subtle point, but I don't think that is anti-semitic. If he'd said that no Jewish people should compete then that would be.TheScreamingEagles said:
What's the difference between Australia and Israel? Is it Australia are descended from convicts and he believes in rehabilitation?0 -
10% of people are pro-Israel, 10% of people are anti-Israel, the rest are just against being f***** stupid.spire2 said:
the sun appears to think corbyn being seen as anti Israeli is a vote loser for Labour. Perhaps its a vote winner?TheScreamingEagles said:0 -
Did Australia slaughter 55 aborigines... today ?TheScreamingEagles said:
But did he also campaign for Australia to be banned from Eurovision?Pulpstar said:
It's a subtle point, but I don't think that is anti-semitic. If he'd said that no Jewish people should compete then that would be.TheScreamingEagles said:
What's the difference between Australia and Israel? Is it Australia are descended from convicts and he believes in rehabilitation?0 -
If only the Arabs had opted for the two-state solution per UN General Assembly resolution 181 back in 1947....murali_s said:When will this lame Tory Government come out and condemn the rogue pariah nation of Israel? When FFS?
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Is it still possible to object to any actions of the state of Israel without being labelled as "antisemitic"?TheScreamingEagles said:0 -
Not in Barnet that is for surespire2 said:
the sun appears to think corbyn being seen as anti Israeli is a vote loser for Labour. Perhaps its a vote winner?TheScreamingEagles said:0 -
Another panglossian poll. The sensible answer is: 'it began as a complete clusterfuck and has progressively worsened since then'.williamglenn said:A striking poll.
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That's not a sensible answer, the point is clearly to assess people's initial expectations vs their current assessment, which your answer does not since it doesn't indicate what your initial expectation was (though it can be inferred). I don't think it covers all the options, but its purpose seems reasonable.Anazina said:
Another panglossian poll. The sensible answer is: 'it began as a complete clusterfuck and has progressively worsened since then'.williamglenn said:A striking poll.
https://twitter.com/YouGov/status/9960628491087257600 -
A simpler, fairer and more effective measure would be to ban Eurovision. Corbo is guilty of muddled thinking, as ever.TheScreamingEagles said:
But did he also campaign for Australia to be banned from Eurovision?Pulpstar said:
It's a subtle point, but I don't think that is anti-semitic. If he'd said that no Jewish people should compete then that would be.TheScreamingEagles said:
What's the difference between Australia and Israel? Is it Australia are descended from convicts and he believes in rehabilitation?0 -
Not in the USA I imagine and certainly not outside San Francisco and the Harvard Yard.Roger said:Poor Ivanka Trump. As every news channel pumps out images of her parading herself like a pampered mannequin and juxtapose the image against a backdrop of 55 slaughtered Palestinians the world becomes increasingly repulsed.
According to Gallup last year 71% of Americans have a favourable view of Israel, rising to 81% amongst Republicans. Netanyahu has a +19% positive rating
http://news.gallup.com/poll/203954/israel-maintains-positive-image.aspx?g_source=link_NEWSV9&g_medium=TOPIC&g_campaign=item_&g_content=Israel%20Maintains%20Positive%20Image%20in%20U.S.
62% of Americans sympathise more with the Israelis than the Palestinians with just 19% sympathising more with the Palestinians. Support for a Palestinian state is almost tied 45% to 42%
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perhaps in Birmingham Bradford and Blackburn thoughHYUFD said:
Not in Barnet that is for surespire2 said:
the sun appears to think corbyn being seen as anti Israeli is a vote loser for Labour. Perhaps its a vote winner?TheScreamingEagles said:
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I'll rephrase:kle4 said:
That's not a sensible answer, the point is clearly to assess people's initial expectations vs their current assessment, which your answer does not since it doesn't indicate what your initial expectation was (though it can be inferred). I don't think it covers all the options, but its purpose seems reasonable.Anazina said:
Another panglossian poll. The sensible answer is: 'it began as a complete clusterfuck and has progressively worsened since then'.williamglenn said:A striking poll.
https://twitter.com/YouGov/status/996062849108725760
My initial expectations were that it would be a complete clusterfuck and my current assessment is several rungs worse.0 -
There you go!Anazina said:
I'll rephrase:kle4 said:
That's not a sensible answer, the point is clearly to assess people's initial expectations vs their current assessment, which your answer does not since it doesn't indicate what your initial expectation was (though it can be inferred). I don't think it covers all the options, but its purpose seems reasonable.Anazina said:
Another panglossian poll. The sensible answer is: 'it began as a complete clusterfuck and has progressively worsened since then'.williamglenn said:A striking poll.
https://twitter.com/YouGov/status/996062849108725760
My initial expectations were that it would be a complete clusterfuck and my current assessment is several rungs worse.0 -
Labour already holds all the seats in those places.spire2 said:
perhaps in Birmingham Bradford and Blackburn thoughHYUFD said:
Not in Barnet that is for surespire2 said:
the sun appears to think corbyn being seen as anti Israeli is a vote loser for Labour. Perhaps its a vote winner?TheScreamingEagles said:0 -
Tim Stanley made mildly amusing joke. That's a first.
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kle4 said:
There you go!Anazina said:
I'll rephrase:kle4 said:
That's not a sensible answer, the point is clearly to assess people's initial expectations vs their current assessment, which your answer does not since it doesn't indicate what your initial expectation was (though it can be inferred). I don't think it covers all the options, but its purpose seems reasonable.Anazina said:
Another panglossian poll. The sensible answer is: 'it began as a complete clusterfuck and has progressively worsened since then'.williamglenn said:A striking poll.
https://twitter.com/YouGov/status/996062849108725760
My initial expectations were that it would be a complete clusterfuck and my current assessment is several rungs worse. 0 -
You'd need to include the other extreme to avoid accusations of push-polling.Anazina said:
I'll rephrase:kle4 said:
That's not a sensible answer, the point is clearly to assess people's initial expectations vs their current assessment, which your answer does not since it doesn't indicate what your initial expectation was (though it can be inferred). I don't think it covers all the options, but its purpose seems reasonable.Anazina said:
Another panglossian poll. The sensible answer is: 'it began as a complete clusterfuck and has progressively worsened since then'.williamglenn said:A striking poll.
https://twitter.com/YouGov/status/996062849108725760
My initial expectations were that it would be a complete clusterfuck and my current assessment is several rungs worse.
"I expected Brexit to be full of sunlit uplands and I think they are in sight."0 -
In the most recent poll, reported by Gallup in March 2018, 64% sympathized with Israel, equalling the all-time high, and the ninth straight year support exceeded 60%. This exceeds the level of support (56%) Israel enjoyed after the 1967 war, when many people mistakenly believe that Israel was overwhelmingly popular. Meanwhile, only 19% expressed support for the Palestinians only slightly higher than the 15% in Gallup’s initial 1988 measurement.HYUFD said:
Not in the USA I imagine and certainly not outside San Francisco and the Harvard Yard.Roger said:Poor Ivanka Trump. As every news channel pumps out images of her parading herself like a pampered mannequin and juxtapose the image against a backdrop of 55 slaughtered Palestinians the world becomes increasingly repulsed.
According to Gallup last year 71% of Americans have a favourable view of Israel, rising to 81% amongst Republicans. Netanyahu has a +19% positive rating
http://news.gallup.com/poll/203954/israel-maintains-positive-image.aspx?g_source=link_NEWSV9&g_medium=TOPIC&g_campaign=item_&g_content=Israel%20Maintains%20Positive%20Image%20in%20U.S.
62% of Americans sympathise more with the Israelis than the Palestinians with just 19% sympathising more with the Palestinians. Support for a Palestinian state is almost tied 45% to 42%
http://news.gallup.com/poll/203900/americans-tepid-palestinian-statehood.aspx
In recent years Gallup has noted that many Americans have moved from “no preference” into the pro-Israeli column. Even when support for Israel dips, as occurred during Operation Protective Edge (July 8-August 26, 2014), when the NBC/WSJ and Pew polls found a decline in support to 46% and 51%, respectively, support for the Palestinians does not increase (it was 14% in both polls). Moreover, support for Israel inevitably bounces back.
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I shouldn't think so, the average Briton couldn't care less about a bunch of Arabs and I don't suppose they spend much time worrying about us either.spire2 said:
the sun appears to think corbyn being seen as anti Israeli is a vote loser for Labour. Perhaps its a vote winner?TheScreamingEagles said:
Those who do take their side in the Middle East conflict probably vote Labour already anyway and Labour could lose even more Jewish votes if they condemned their side.
It's best to keep well out of it, it's not much to do with Britain anymore.
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Shout out to the 17% of Leave voters who expected Brexit to go badly but voted for it anyway.williamglenn said:A striking poll.
https://twitter.com/YouGov/status/9960628491087257600 -
Hmm I always thought Brexit would be a tricky process.
The big failure of the Gov't thus far is in its preparation for the negotiations though.
The Gov't should have had a clear aim for its relationship with Europe, with the Nicky Morgans on one side and the Rees Moggs on the other being able to maintain a bit of discipline whilst the negotiations were on.0 -
Yes and even 49% of Democrats sympathise more with Israel in that poll, with 59% of independents behind Israel and amongst Trump voting Republicans 87% favour Israel.Sunil_Prasannan said:
In the most recent poll, reported by Gallup in March 2018, 64% sympathized with Israel, equalling the all-time high, and the ninth straight year support exceeded 60%. This exceeds the level of support (56%) Israel enjoyed after the 1967 war, when many people mistakenly believe that Israel was overwhelmingly popular. Meanwhile, only 19% expressed support for the Palestinians only slightly higher than the 15% in Gallup’s initial 1988 measurement.HYUFD said:
Not in the USA I imagine and certainly not outside San Francisco and the Harvard Yard.Roger said:Poor Ivanka Trump. As every news channel pumps out images of her parading herself like a pampered mannequin and juxtapose the image against a backdrop of 55 slaughtered Palestinians the world becomes increasingly repulsed.
According to Gallup last year 71% of Americans have a favourable view of Israel, rising to 81% amongst Republicans. Netanyahu has a +19% positive rating
http://news.gallup.com/poll/203954/israel-maintains-positive-image.aspx?g_source=link_NEWSV9&g_medium=TOPIC&g_campaign=item_&g_content=Israel%20Maintains%20Positive%20Image%20in%20U.S.
62% of Americans sympathise more with the Israelis than the Palestinians with just 19% sympathising more with the Palestinians. Support for a Palestinian state is almost tied 45% to 42%
http://news.gallup.com/poll/203900/americans-tepid-palestinian-statehood.aspx
In recent years Gallup has noted that many Americans have moved from “no preference” into the pro-Israeli column. Even when support for Israel dips, as occurred during Operation Protective Edge (July 8-August 26, 2014), when the NBC/WSJ and Pew polls found a decline in support to 46% and 51%, respectively, support for the Palestinians does not increase (it was 14% in both polls). Moreover, support for Israel inevitably bounces back.
http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/american-public-opinion-toward-israel-an-overview
'In 2015, Israel's favorability ranking trailed only Canada, Great Britain, Germany, Japan, France and India. The Palestinian Authority in 2015 was rated just above Pakistan (15%), Iraq (15%), Afghanistan (14%), Syria (14%), Iran (11%) and North Korea (9%) as the least popular countries.'0 -
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@Cyclefree I will try to answer your question from this morning when I have a spare minute.0
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The government does have a clear aim for its relationship with the EU; its 'have cake and eat it'.Pulpstar said:Hmm I always thought Brexit would be a tricky process.
The big failure of the Gov't thus far is in its preparation for the negotiations though.
The Gov't should have had a clear aim for its relationship with Europe,
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On topic, it’s a most unpleasant label. It’s not the only one floating around. The reactionary right have plenty for their favourite hated groups too.0
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American news coverage is very one sided in the extreme even the most left leaning stations have flattering coverage of Israel.HYUFD said:
Not in the USA I imagine and certainly not outside San Francisco and the Harvard Yard.Roger said:Poor Ivanka Trump. As every news channel pumps out images of her parading herself like a pampered mannequin and juxtapose the image against a backdrop of 55 slaughtered Palestinians the world becomes increasingly repulsed.
According to Gallup last year 71% of Americans have a favourable view of Israel, rising to 81% amongst Republicans. Netanyahu has a +19% positive rating
http://news.gallup.com/poll/203954/israel-maintains-positive-image.aspx?g_source=link_NEWSV9&g_medium=TOPIC&g_campaign=item_&g_content=Israel%20Maintains%20Positive%20Image%20in%20U.S.
62% of Americans sympathise more with the Israelis than the Palestinians with just 19% sympathising more with the Palestinians. Support for a Palestinian state is almost tied 45% to 42%
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A total ban on Eurovision might make me vote for him.Anazina said:
A simpler, fairer and more effective measure would be to ban Eurovision. Corbo is guilty of muddled thinking, as ever.TheScreamingEagles said:
But did he also campaign for Australia to be banned from Eurovision?Pulpstar said:
It's a subtle point, but I don't think that is anti-semitic. If he'd said that no Jewish people should compete then that would be.TheScreamingEagles said:
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At the last general election 85% of Muslims voted Labour and 63% of Jews voted Conservative so if you take a strong pro Palestinian view you are indeed already almost certainly a Labour voter and if you take a strong pro Israel view you are very likely to already be a Tory voterDeClare said:
I shouldn't think so, the average Briton couldn't care less about a bunch of Arabs and I don't suppose they spend much time worrying about us either.spire2 said:
the sun appears to think corbyn being seen as anti Israeli is a vote loser for Labour. Perhaps its a vote winner?TheScreamingEagles said:
Those who do take their side in the Middle East conflict probably vote Labour already anyway and Labour could lose even more Jewish votes if they condemned their side.
It's best to keep well out of it, it's not much to do with Britain anymore.
http://www.brin.ac.uk/2017/religious-affiliation-and-party-choice-at-the-2017-general-election/0 -
Americans being pro-Israel isn’t very surprising, interesting that we apparently aren’t though. Another example of how US Democrats and Labour supporters here view the world pretty differently.0
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When will Corbyn condemn Russia, who has actually killed British people on British soil? What is possibly unique about Israel that makes the far left so more ready to condemn them relative to other regimes?murali_s said:When will this lame Tory Government come out and condemn the rogue pariah nation of Israel? When FFS?
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Parts of Florida and New York city are like mini Israels anywaynunuone said:
American news coverage is very one sided in the extreme even the most left leaning stations have flattering coverage of Israel.HYUFD said:
Not in the USA I imagine and certainly not outside San Francisco and the Harvard Yard.Roger said:Poor Ivanka Trump. As every news channel pumps out images of her parading herself like a pampered mannequin and juxtapose the image against a backdrop of 55 slaughtered Palestinians the world becomes increasingly repulsed.
According to Gallup last year 71% of Americans have a favourable view of Israel, rising to 81% amongst Republicans. Netanyahu has a +19% positive rating
http://news.gallup.com/poll/203954/israel-maintains-positive-image.aspx?g_source=link_NEWSV9&g_medium=TOPIC&g_campaign=item_&g_content=Israel%20Maintains%20Positive%20Image%20in%20U.S.
62% of Americans sympathise more with the Israelis than the Palestinians with just 19% sympathising more with the Palestinians. Support for a Palestinian state is almost tied 45% to 42%
http://news.gallup.com/poll/203900/americans-tepid-palestinian-statehood.aspx
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If only the Arabs had opted for the two-state solution per UN General Assembly resolution 181 back in 1947....nunuone said:
American news coverage is very one sided in the extreme even the most left leaning stations have flattering coverage of Israel.HYUFD said:
Not in the USA I imagine and certainly not outside San Francisco and the Harvard Yard.Roger said:Poor Ivanka Trump. As every news channel pumps out images of her parading herself like a pampered mannequin and juxtapose the image against a backdrop of 55 slaughtered Palestinians the world becomes increasingly repulsed.
According to Gallup last year 71% of Americans have a favourable view of Israel, rising to 81% amongst Republicans. Netanyahu has a +19% positive rating
http://news.gallup.com/poll/203954/israel-maintains-positive-image.aspx?g_source=link_NEWSV9&g_medium=TOPIC&g_campaign=item_&g_content=Israel%20Maintains%20Positive%20Image%20in%20U.S.
62% of Americans sympathise more with the Israelis than the Palestinians with just 19% sympathising more with the Palestinians. Support for a Palestinian state is almost tied 45% to 42%
http://news.gallup.com/poll/203900/americans-tepid-palestinian-statehood.aspx0 -
As do most Tories and Trump Republicans.The_Apocalypse said:Americans being pro-Israel isn’t very surprising, interesting that we apparently aren’t though. Another example of how US Democrats and Labour supporters here view the world pretty differently.
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"According to a 2009 international study commissioned by the Israeli Foreign Ministry, the greatest level of sympathy towards Israel can be found in India, with 58% of Indian respondents showing sympathy towards Israel.The_Apocalypse said:Americans being pro-Israel isn’t very surprising, interesting that we apparently aren’t though. Another example of how US Democrats and Labour supporters here view the world pretty differently.
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As reported in 2015, opinion polls taken in India showed 70% and above of respondents had "favorable views of Israel."
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Jokes to one side, I would struggle to answer that question. I didn't think and don't now think that Brexit would be done well or badly. I thought it would be a typical British muddle through and that's what we have got. It's definitely going better than the mess that is European integration. How many are still out of work in the EU?williamglenn said:
You'd need to include the other extreme to avoid accusations of push-polling.Anazina said:
I'll rephrase:kle4 said:
That's not a sensible answer, the point is clearly to assess people's initial expectations vs their current assessment, which your answer does not since it doesn't indicate what your initial expectation was (though it can be inferred). I don't think it covers all the options, but its purpose seems reasonable.Anazina said:
Another panglossian poll. The sensible answer is: 'it began as a complete clusterfuck and has progressively worsened since then'.williamglenn said:A striking poll.
https://twitter.com/YouGov/status/996062849108725760
My initial expectations were that it would be a complete clusterfuck and my current assessment is several rungs worse.
"I expected Brexit to be full of sunlit uplands and I think they are in sight."0 -
It was only last week that our magnificent foreign secretary was bigging up Donald Trump for the Nobel peace prize. That was always going to be a hostage to fortune.0
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? Not sure why you’re telling me this.Sunil_Prasannan said:
"According to a 2009 international study commissioned by the Israeli Foreign Ministry, the greatest level of sympathy towards Israel can be found in India, with 58% of Indian respondents showing sympathy towards Israel.The_Apocalypse said:Americans being pro-Israel isn’t very surprising, interesting that we apparently aren’t though. Another example of how US Democrats and Labour supporters here view the world pretty differently.
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As reported in 2015, opinion polls taken in India showed 70% and above of respondents had "favorable views of Israel."
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Gammongate shows the left has time and energy - but no critical thinking , no persuasion and no desire to compromise. Just intolerance.0
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"Doesn't sit back and do nothing when a terror movement which wants to exterminate its population sends a force of 40,000 to storm the border".kle4 said:
How does one define 'pariah' nation?murali_s said:When will this lame Tory Government come out and condemn the rogue pariah nation of Israel? When FFS?
Or more succinctly "Believes Jews are allowed to defend themselves, not die quietly like good Jews have been expected to for the last two thousand years".0 -
I seem to remember that WWIII was coming due to his rocket man tweets and now North Korea is at the table.SouthamObserver said:It was only last week that our magnificent foreign secretary was bigging up Donald Trump for the Nobel peace prize. That was always going to be a hostage to fortune.
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The Chinese are very pro-Israel in my experience. Maybe more accurately, very pro-Israeli technology.Sunil_Prasannan said:
"According to a 2009 international study commissioned by the Israeli Foreign Ministry, the greatest level of sympathy towards Israel can be found in India, with 58% of Indian respondents showing sympathy towards Israel.The_Apocalypse said:Americans being pro-Israel isn’t very surprising, interesting that we apparently aren’t though. Another example of how US Democrats and Labour supporters here view the world pretty differently.
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As reported in 2015, opinion polls taken in India showed 70% and above of respondents had "favorable views of Israel."
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/India–Israel_relations
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