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Chart from @markpack showing LAB leaders' average national vote share in local elections while in opposition pic.twitter.com/JbMepPJH4r
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Mike should just bugger off and join the LibDems!
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Corbyn may have the lowest average local election voteshare of any Labour leader since 1980 but he can also claim he got the second highest Labour general election voteshare of any Labour leader over that period after Tony Blair.
Corbyn also at least has a modicum of respect for the Leave vote in the EU referendum by agreeing we have to leave the EEA and end free movement, which after tonight's Lords vote is more than can be said for the LDs and some diehard Remainer Labour and Tory Parliamentarians0 -
Could we have a corresponding chart for the performance of LibDems when in opposition ?0
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OOooooooooooooooooooh Jeremy CORBYN.
There is some amazing optimism for the yellow team in Lewisham on Betfair btw.0 -
Not sure the kids will be using this version of the track for their cult chant....Pulpstar said:OOooooooooooooooooooh Jeremy CORBYN.
There is some amazing optimism for the yellow team in Lewisham on Betfair btw.
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I thought we had been promised that the last but one thread was the final word on LE2018? Not that an opportunity to laugh at Corbyn should be missed.0
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Presumably so you can have another jibe at the party.another_richard said:Could we have a corresponding chart for the performance of LibDems when in opposition ?
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How the nonce finder general is still in a position to have any say about anything is quite incredible.Scott_P said:0 -
Mike is having another jibe at the Glorious Labour Leaderstodge said:
Presumably so you can have another jibe at the party.another_richard said:Could we have a corresponding chart for the performance of LibDems when in opposition ?
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In fairness it was more interesting than most thanks to the something for everybody result.Sean_F said:
I enjoy working my way through LE 2018DavidL said:I thought we had been promised that the last but one thread was the final word on LE2018? Not that an opportunity to laugh at Corbyn should be missed.
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Off topic, whatever the rights and wrongs of the reported story, this is a brilliant headline:
Hung, withdrawn and re-quartered: May portrait in Oxford row
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2018/may/08/theresa-may-portrait-removed-from-oxford-university-display-after-protest0 -
And while we are having a laugh can anyone explain how this was the best result for Labour since the Levellers?0
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Agreed. Unfortunately the headline is way better than the story.Benpointer said:Off topic, whatever the rights and wrongs of the reported story, this is a brilliant headline:
Hung, withdrawn and re-quartered: May portrait in Oxford row
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2018/may/08/theresa-may-portrait-removed-from-oxford-university-display-after-protest0 -
It's often the way. The trailers are better than the film; the cover is better than the book; the manifesto is better than the record in government.DavidL said:
Agreed. Unfortunately the headline is way better than the story.Benpointer said:Off topic, whatever the rights and wrongs of the reported story, this is a brilliant headline:
Hung, withdrawn and re-quartered: May portrait in Oxford row
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2018/may/08/theresa-may-portrait-removed-from-oxford-university-display-after-protest0 -
I thought the Lib Dem vote was actually increasing not decreasing.stodge said:
Presumably so you can have another jibe at the party.another_richard said:Could we have a corresponding chart for the performance of LibDems when in opposition ?
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Of coursestodge said:
Presumably so you can have another jibe at the party.another_richard said:Could we have a corresponding chart for the performance of LibDems when in opposition ?
But I thought it might be interesting and here it is:
Kennedy 2000-2004 26%
Steel / Owen 1984-1987 25%
Campbell 2006-2007 24.5%
Clegg 2008-2009 24%
Steel / Jenkins 1982-1983 23.5%
Ashdown 1989-1999 23%
Steel / Maclennan 1988 18%
Farron 2016-2017 16%
Steel 1980-1981 15%
Cable 2018 14%0 -
We had a mediocre set of local election results. Any of my Labour comrades who says otherwise is either bullshitting or is deluded.
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On the customs partnership, I found this interesting comment (i think from MaxPB) from over a year ago. If it is him, then kudos for foresight is warranted:
"I think a reverse Switzerland needs looking at, I did some preliminary research, but I didn't get a chance to complete it before I left.
Essentially the idea is to extend the EU customs zone to the UK for any re-exported goods and the UK acts as a customs agent for the EU, those tariffs are set by the EU and conform to their rates. For goods that don't get re-exported to the EU we would have our own tariff rate. Any increment would be payable on exportation to the EU. Slightly more complicated than just staying in the customs union, but much more flexible for our domestic markets and for exports to non-EU destinations. "0 -
Down on last year's locals.Richard_Tyndall said:
I thought the Lib Dem vote was actually increasing not decreasing.stodge said:
Presumably so you can have another jibe at the party.another_richard said:Could we have a corresponding chart for the performance of LibDems when in opposition ?
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Easier and more interesting te talk about Labour than the LibDems, who 3 years on from the coalition are still on life support. Their lack of progress is remarkable.0
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What are the average vote shares for each leader in general elections then Mike?
Continual triumph of hope over experience for the sufferers of Corbyn derangement syndrome shown in fine form by OGH over the last couple of threads.0 -
The odd thing is that a 37/36/14 split is similar to:DavidL said:And while we are having a laugh can anyone explain how this was the best result for Labour since the Levellers?
1984 38/37/21
1988 39/38/18
2011 38/37/16
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I have two questions for the PB Brains Trust:
(1) When, and at what time, is the Eurovision song contest on this year?
(2) Are the Polish washerwomen competing again?
I thank you.0 -
It was a well deserved mediocrity all around.SandyRentool said:We had a mediocre set of local election results. Any of my Labour comrades who says otherwise is either bullshitting or is deluded.
But Labour has certainly lost in the spin battle.0 -
Someone's **** up on the archive rail footage today. The BBC showed a clip labelled 1996 when clearly it was from the late 70s/early 80s.0
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The first semi was today, the second semi is on Thursday.Casino_Royale said:I have two questions for the PB Brains Trust:
(1) When, and at what time, is the Eurovision song contest on this year?
(2) Are the Polish washerwomen competing again?
I thank you.
The Contest proper starts 8pm on Saturday night on BBC1.
No Polish Milk Maids this time.
IMHO I think the entries this year are so camp that if Fred Phelps was alive and watched this year's contest he'd turn gay.0 -
It was poor, especially in London (vs expectation).SandyRentool said:We had a mediocre set of local election results. Any of my Labour comrades who says otherwise is either bullshitting or is deluded.
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Cripes. Perhaps I'll give it a miss then.TheScreamingEagles said:
The first semi was today, the second semi is on Thursday.Casino_Royale said:I have two questions for the PB Brains Trust:
(1) When, and at what time, is the Eurovision song contest on this year?
(2) Are the Polish washerwomen competing again?
I thank you.
The Contest proper starts 8pm on Saturday night on BBC1.
No Polish Milk Maids this time.
IMHO I think the entries this year are so camp that if Fred Phelps was alive and watched this year's contest he'd turn gay.0 -
I have a solution for how to carry ouit the structural repairs to the Houses of Parliament.
Abolish the House of Lords. The House of Commons can move in there whilst their own area gets refurbished.
Has the bonus of removing he undemocratic Lords who are trying to frustrate Brexit.
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LOL at the Israeli entryTheScreamingEagles said:
The first semi was today, the second semi is on Thursday.Casino_Royale said:I have two questions for the PB Brains Trust:
(1) When, and at what time, is the Eurovision song contest on this year?
(2) Are the Polish washerwomen competing again?
I thank you.
The Contest proper starts 8pm on Saturday night on BBC1.
No Polish Milk Maids this time.
IMHO I think the entries this year are so camp that if Fred Phelps was alive and watched this year's contest he'd turn gay. 0 -
Replace the HoL with PB.David_Evershed said:I have a solution for how to carry ouit the structural repairs to the Houses of Parliament.
Abolish the House of Lords. The House of Commons can move in there whilst their own area gets refurbished.
Has the bonus of removing he undemocratic Lords who are trying to frustrate Brexit.0 -
First semi was on tonight, second semi 8pm Thursday (BBC4), main final Saturday 8pm on BBC1.Casino_Royale said:I have two questions for the PB Brains Trust:
(1) When, and at what time, is the Eurovision song contest on this year?
(2) Are the Polish washerwomen competing again?
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First foray onto the Northeastern rail network in over a year - did the Grand Central train from Northallerton to Sunderland today!SandyRentool said:We had a mediocre set of local election results. Any of my Labour comrades who says otherwise is either bullshitting or is deluded.
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Wait till you see Estonia's entry, it's where my money is going.Casino_Royale said:
Cripes. Perhaps I'll give it a miss then.TheScreamingEagles said:
The first semi was today, the second semi is on Thursday.Casino_Royale said:I have two questions for the PB Brains Trust:
(1) When, and at what time, is the Eurovision song contest on this year?
(2) Are the Polish washerwomen competing again?
I thank you.
The Contest proper starts 8pm on Saturday night on BBC1.
No Polish Milk Maids this time.
IMHO I think the entries this year are so camp that if Fred Phelps was alive and watched this year's contest he'd turn gay.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=76KOUIfDry8&feature=youtu.be0 -
Very droll, but takes no account of 3rd or 4th party performances.Sunil_Prasannan said:0 -
All-PBer shortlists!another_richard said:
Replace the HoL with PB.David_Evershed said:I have a solution for how to carry ouit the structural repairs to the Houses of Parliament.
Abolish the House of Lords. The House of Commons can move in there whilst their own area gets refurbished.
Has the bonus of removing he undemocratic Lords who are trying to frustrate Brexit.0 -
The expectation was nonsense. The London results were fairly decent. In contrast some of our results further north were poor.murali_s said:
It was poor, especially in London (vs expectation).SandyRentool said:We had a mediocre set of local election results. Any of my Labour comrades who says otherwise is either bullshitting or is deluded.
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Yeah, the Israeli entry is camper than a row of pink tents.Sunil_Prasannan said:
LOL at the Israeli entryTheScreamingEagles said:
The first semi was today, the second semi is on Thursday.Casino_Royale said:I have two questions for the PB Brains Trust:
(1) When, and at what time, is the Eurovision song contest on this year?
(2) Are the Polish washerwomen competing again?
I thank you.
The Contest proper starts 8pm on Saturday night on BBC1.
No Polish Milk Maids this time.
IMHO I think the entries this year are so camp that if Fred Phelps was alive and watched this year's contest he'd turn gay.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=2&v=CziHrYYSyPc0 -
If Labour lose Lewisham East I wonder who or what the Corbynites will blame.0
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You are just in denial of Jeremy's glorious improvement in Labour vote-share over Miliband in 2015!rottenborough said:
Very droll, but takes no account of 3rd or 4th party performances.Sunil_Prasannan said:
What are you? Some kind of Tory?! 0 -
I hope that the AC was working better than on the last Grand Central train I caught!Sunil_Prasannan said:
First foray onto the Northeastern rail network in over a year - did the Grand Central train from Northallerton to Sunderland today!SandyRentool said:We had a mediocre set of local election results. Any of my Labour comrades who says otherwise is either bullshitting or is deluded.
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Which just shows that is nothing - no principle, no policy, no ancient bond - that Mogg and chums would not sell down the river for their raving, insatiable appetite for the hardest Brexit.Scott_P said:0 -
Indeed, it is risible.rottenborough said:
Which just shows that is nothing - no principle, no policy, no ancient bond - that Mogg and chums would not sell down the river for their raving, insatiable appetite for the hardest Brexit.Scott_P said:
But that’s Brexit for you - a farce, not a policy. The daily gags continue from Jacob Rees and his fellow clowns.0 -
BritainElects:
"Local election results within Lewisham East constituency:
Lab: 48.7% (+7.2)
Con: 18.9% (+4.5)
Grn: 14.9% (+4.7)
LDem: 12.9% (+1.2)
UKIP: 1.3% (-6.6)
[Oth]: 3.3% (-9.8)
Chgs. w/ 2014
Top vote method."0 -
Does anyone watch this utter drivel?TheScreamingEagles said:
Wait till you see Estonia's entry, it's where my money is going.Casino_Royale said:
Cripes. Perhaps I'll give it a miss then.TheScreamingEagles said:
The first semi was today, the second semi is on Thursday.Casino_Royale said:I have two questions for the PB Brains Trust:
(1) When, and at what time, is the Eurovision song contest on this year?
(2) Are the Polish washerwomen competing again?
I thank you.
The Contest proper starts 8pm on Saturday night on BBC1.
No Polish Milk Maids this time.
IMHO I think the entries this year are so camp that if Fred Phelps was alive and watched this year's contest he'd turn gay.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=76KOUIfDry8&feature=youtu.be0 -
Any other extremely unlikely hypothetical questions to pose? Who would Corbynistas blame if Corbyn crushed planet earth into a singularity by inadvertently creating a wormhole on his allotment?AndyJS said:If Labour lose Lewisham East I wonder who or what the Corbynites will blame.
Lewisham East is not going Lib Dem in the next million years, no matter what bizarre wishful thinking Mike seems to whip himself into when he is suffering another attack of Corbyn derangement.0 -
That's the Brexiteer in you speaking, I take it?Anazina said:
Does anyone watch this utter drivel?TheScreamingEagles said:
Wait till you see Estonia's entry, it's where my money is going.Casino_Royale said:
Cripes. Perhaps I'll give it a miss then.TheScreamingEagles said:
The first semi was today, the second semi is on Thursday.Casino_Royale said:I have two questions for the PB Brains Trust:
(1) When, and at what time, is the Eurovision song contest on this year?
(2) Are the Polish washerwomen competing again?
I thank you.
The Contest proper starts 8pm on Saturday night on BBC1.
No Polish Milk Maids this time.
IMHO I think the entries this year are so camp that if Fred Phelps was alive and watched this year's contest he'd turn gay.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=76KOUIfDry8&feature=youtu.be0 -
I voted Brexit because I thought it meant we couldn’t be part of Eurovision any moreAnazina said:
Does anyone watch this utter drivel?TheScreamingEagles said:
Wait till you see Estonia's entry, it's where my money is going.Casino_Royale said:
Cripes. Perhaps I'll give it a miss then.TheScreamingEagles said:
The first semi was today, the second semi is on Thursday.Casino_Royale said:I have two questions for the PB Brains Trust:
(1) When, and at what time, is the Eurovision song contest on this year?
(2) Are the Polish washerwomen competing again?
I thank you.
The Contest proper starts 8pm on Saturday night on BBC1.
No Polish Milk Maids this time.
IMHO I think the entries this year are so camp that if Fred Phelps was alive and watched this year's contest he'd turn gay.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=76KOUIfDry8&feature=youtu.be0 -
AC was fine, but on the return leg (I changed at York to get to Brum this evening), the at-seat power sockets tripped!SandyRentool said:
I hope that the AC was working better than on the last Grand Central train I caught!Sunil_Prasannan said:
First foray onto the Northeastern rail network in over a year - did the Grand Central train from Northallerton to Sunderland today!SandyRentool said:We had a mediocre set of local election results. Any of my Labour comrades who says otherwise is either bullshitting or is deluded.
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It's always worth skimming through the highlights to see which nation has been the craziest.Anazina said:
Does anyone watch this utter drivel?TheScreamingEagles said:
Wait till you see Estonia's entry, it's where my money is going.Casino_Royale said:
Cripes. Perhaps I'll give it a miss then.TheScreamingEagles said:
The first semi was today, the second semi is on Thursday.Casino_Royale said:I have two questions for the PB Brains Trust:
(1) When, and at what time, is the Eurovision song contest on this year?
(2) Are the Polish washerwomen competing again?
I thank you.
The Contest proper starts 8pm on Saturday night on BBC1.
No Polish Milk Maids this time.
IMHO I think the entries this year are so camp that if Fred Phelps was alive and watched this year's contest he'd turn gay.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=76KOUIfDry8&feature=youtu.be0 -
JWisemann said:
Any other extremely unlikely hypothetical questions to pose? Who would Corbynistas blame if Corbyn crushed planet earth into a singularity by inadvertently creating a wormhole on his allotment?AndyJS said:If Labour lose Lewisham East I wonder who or what the Corbynites will blame.
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Indeed - you take that kind of method and May cannot be criticised really, as she had such a great percentage. And it was high, but that didn't exactly help her.rottenborough said:
Very droll, but takes no account of 3rd or 4th party performances.Sunil_Prasannan said:0 -
The “expectation” was promulgated by Labour itself. Hubris...SandyRentool said:
The expectation was nonsense. The London results were fairly decent. In contrast some of our results further north were poor.murali_s said:
It was poor, especially in London (vs expectation).SandyRentool said:We had a mediocre set of local election results. Any of my Labour comrades who says otherwise is either bullshitting or is deluded.
Now to be followed by nemesis....
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The spiritual cousins to fairweather PR supporters, fairweather HoL reformers. It'd be nice to sort it out one way or another at some point though.Scott_P said:0 -
Another scurrilous but powerful Leave lie!Charles said:
I voted Brexit because I thought it meant we couldn’t be part of Eurovision any moreAnazina said:
Does anyone watch this utter drivel?TheScreamingEagles said:
Wait till you see Estonia's entry, it's where my money is going.Casino_Royale said:
Cripes. Perhaps I'll give it a miss then.TheScreamingEagles said:
The first semi was today, the second semi is on Thursday.Casino_Royale said:I have two questions for the PB Brains Trust:
(1) When, and at what time, is the Eurovision song contest on this year?
(2) Are the Polish washerwomen competing again?
I thank you.
The Contest proper starts 8pm on Saturday night on BBC1.
No Polish Milk Maids this time.
IMHO I think the entries this year are so camp that if Fred Phelps was alive and watched this year's contest he'd turn gay.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=76KOUIfDry8&feature=youtu.be
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I guess that's why Russia, Turkey, Iceland, Norway, Belarus, Ukraine, Serbia, Albania, Bosnia, Armenia, Georgia, Azerbaijan and Australia(!!!!) all take partCharles said:
I voted Brexit because I thought it meant we couldn’t be part of Eurovision any moreAnazina said:
Does anyone watch this utter drivel?TheScreamingEagles said:
Wait till you see Estonia's entry, it's where my money is going.Casino_Royale said:
Cripes. Perhaps I'll give it a miss then.TheScreamingEagles said:
The first semi was today, the second semi is on Thursday.Casino_Royale said:I have two questions for the PB Brains Trust:
(1) When, and at what time, is the Eurovision song contest on this year?
(2) Are the Polish washerwomen competing again?
I thank you.
The Contest proper starts 8pm on Saturday night on BBC1.
No Polish Milk Maids this time.
IMHO I think the entries this year are so camp that if Fred Phelps was alive and watched this year's contest he'd turn gay.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=76KOUIfDry8&feature=youtu.be 0 -
The Levellers were suppressed by the New Model Army following the Putney Debates as I recall, with ringleaders executed following the Corkbush Field mutiny.DavidL said:And while we are having a laugh can anyone explain how this was the best result for Labour since the Levellers?
Compared to that, last weeks Labour results are a triumph...0 -
You are just in denial of Jeremy's glorious improvement in Labour vote-share over Miliband in 2015!kle4 said:
Indeed - you take that kind of method and May cannot be criticised really, as she had such a great percentage. And it was high, but that didn't exactly help her.rottenborough said:
Very droll, but takes no account of 3rd or 4th party performances.Sunil_Prasannan said:
What are you? Some kind of Tory?! 0 -
Mike Smithson in previous thread header:JWisemann said:
Lewisham East is not going Lib Dem in the next million years, no matter what bizarre wishful thinking Mike seems to whip himself into when he is suffering another attack of Corbyn derangement.AndyJS said:If Labour lose Lewisham East I wonder who or what the Corbynites will blame.
This is this is very solid territory for the party and it is hard to see anything other than a LAB hold.
Raising the very faint possibility of 'we live in interesting times, so who knows?' doesn't mean he was stated the LDs were going to win, or were even likely to.0 -
That’s as simple as ABC... anyone but Corbyn.JWisemann said:
Any other extremely unlikely hypothetical questions to pose? Who would Corbynistas blame if Corbyn crushed planet earth into a singularity by inadvertently creating a wormhole on his allotment?AndyJS said:If Labour lose Lewisham East I wonder who or what the Corbynites will blame.
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A Momentum spokesperson said on the night of the locals that the results were mixed. Given they are, to put it mildly, Corbyn fans, I regard that as pretty good circumstantial evidence that the results were indeed mixed, and other super fans getting worked up in over compensating defence are overdoing it.0
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Well I did vote for them once, though they're not encouraging me to do so again.Sunil_Prasannan said:
You are just in denial of Jeremy's glorious improvement in Labour vote-share over Miliband in 2015!kle4 said:
Indeed - you take that kind of method and May cannot be criticised really, as she had such a great percentage. And it was high, but that didn't exactly help her.rottenborough said:
Very droll, but takes no account of 3rd or 4th party performances.Sunil_Prasannan said:
What are you? Some kind of Tory?!0 -
Yes, that was me. I was writing a report I never got to finish because I went on gardening leave.Casino_Royale said:On the customs partnership, I found this interesting comment (i think from MaxPB) from over a year ago. If it is him, then kudos for foresight is warranted:
"I think a reverse Switzerland needs looking at, I did some preliminary research, but I didn't get a chance to complete it before I left.
Essentially the idea is to extend the EU customs zone to the UK for any re-exported goods and the UK acts as a customs agent for the EU, those tariffs are set by the EU and conform to their rates. For goods that don't get re-exported to the EU we would have our own tariff rate. Any increment would be payable on exportation to the EU. Slightly more complicated than just staying in the customs union, but much more flexible for our domestic markets and for exports to non-EU destinations. "
It is still a feasible idea and would serve us well for 3-5 years while the government figures out our global trade position.0 -
Debates were much more intense back then.Foxy said:
The Levellers were suppressed by the New Model Army following the Putney Debates as I recall, with ringleaders executed following the Corkbush Field mutiny.DavidL said:And while we are having a laugh can anyone explain how this was the best result for Labour since the Levellers?
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Moldovan rappers wearing giant pixie hats...kle4 said:
It's always worth skimming through the highlights to see which nation has been the craziest.Anazina said:
Does anyone watch this utter drivel?TheScreamingEagles said:
Wait till you see Estonia's entry, it's where my money is going.Casino_Royale said:
Cripes. Perhaps I'll give it a miss then.TheScreamingEagles said:
The first semi was today, the second semi is on Thursday.Casino_Royale said:I have two questions for the PB Brains Trust:
(1) When, and at what time, is the Eurovision song contest on this year?
(2) Are the Polish washerwomen competing again?
I thank you.
The Contest proper starts 8pm on Saturday night on BBC1.
No Polish Milk Maids this time.
IMHO I think the entries this year are so camp that if Fred Phelps was alive and watched this year's contest he'd turn gay.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=76KOUIfDry8&feature=youtu.be
Worth watching for the unicycling fairy playing the trumpet alone:
https://youtu.be/nHAY_OVN_gY0 -
Well it might in the next million years.. but I doubt it will in 3 months time or whenever the by-election is.JWisemann said:
Any other extremely unlikely hypothetical questions to pose? Who would Corbynistas blame if Corbyn crushed planet earth into a singularity by inadvertently creating a wormhole on his allotment?AndyJS said:If Labour lose Lewisham East I wonder who or what the Corbynites will blame.
Lewisham East is not going Lib Dem in the next million years, no matter what bizarre wishful thinking Mike seems to whip himself into when he is suffering another attack of Corbyn derangement.0 -
Good news is a million years will give us time for the Cabinet sub-committee to come to a view on customs. Not the whole Cabinet though, we have to be realistic.Pulpstar said:
Well it might in the next million years.. but I doubt it will in 3 months time or whenever the by-election is.JWisemann said:
Any other extremely unlikely hypothetical questions to pose? Who would Corbynistas blame if Corbyn crushed planet earth into a singularity by inadvertently creating a wormhole on his allotment?AndyJS said:If Labour lose Lewisham East I wonder who or what the Corbynites will blame.
Lewisham East is not going Lib Dem in the next million years, no matter what bizarre wishful thinking Mike seems to whip himself into when he is suffering another attack of Corbyn derangement.0 -
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Am I the only one disappointed, in puerile fashion, the the headline writers haven't had the guts to just have a big line of 'Trump Pulls Out'?0
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Not much for May in that lot, but it does show why Jezza has such a followingHYUFD said:0 -
Your proposal actually makes more sense than the 'import at EU rates but refund the difference if they don't stay in the uk' civil service proposal....MaxPB said:
Yes, that was me. I was writing a report I never got to finish because I went on gardening leave.Casino_Royale said:On the customs partnership, I found this interesting comment (i think from MaxPB) from over a year ago. If it is him, then kudos for foresight is warranted:
"I think a reverse Switzerland needs looking at, I did some preliminary research, but I didn't get a chance to complete it before I left.
Essentially the idea is to extend the EU customs zone to the UK for any re-exported goods and the UK acts as a customs agent for the EU, those tariffs are set by the EU and conform to their rates. For goods that don't get re-exported to the EU we would have our own tariff rate. Any increment would be payable on exportation to the EU. Slightly more complicated than just staying in the customs union, but much more flexible for our domestic markets and for exports to non-EU destinations. "
It is still a feasible idea and would serve us well for 3-5 years while the government figures out our global trade position.
But it isn't a desirable end state, as you rightly suggest.0 -
What we say we like and what we actually vote for are different. A lot of people pointed out Javids chances of becoming leader would be inhibited by being bald, as bald men disproportionately lose elections due to attractiveness bias.HYUFD said:
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I am skeptical of such polling (albeit each of these things is around 70% important, none unimportant), because what we want and what we say we want may be different things. It's often said the public wants centrist politics, or for parties to work together, but we don't, we actively reward the opposite.HYUFD said:
I also struggle with putting up single word summaries of character like 'wise' up against 'dresses well' or 'comfortable mixing with people'.
And finally, of course, would such polling ever surprise? We want someone honest, hard working, principled, strong, wise, who is also warmly inspiring, good with people, sounds good and has had the right kind of job.0 -
That is not entirely true, Berlusconi, John Howard, Eisenhower, Churchill all managed to win at least one election despite being baldNemtynakht said:
What we say we like and what we actually vote for are different. A lot of people pointed out Javids chances of becoming leader would be inhibited by being bald, as bald men disproportionately lose elections due to attractiveness bias.HYUFD said:0 -
No it doesn't, since before her fall from grace at the GE I'm sure May would have scored well among CON for most of them. When Corbyn falls, as all politicians do, people will scoff at the idea he embodied some of them. First time an unpopular policy is implemented, or a u-turn is made, suddenly he won't be 'in touch', 'understanding everday life' or be 'principled'.Foxy said:
Not much for May in that lot, but it does show why Jezza has such a followingHYUFD said:0 -
Indeed but rarely do we get someone with all those qualitieskle4 said:
I am skeptical of such polling (albeit each of these things is around 70% important, none unimportant), because what we want and what we say we want may be different things. It's often said the public wants centrist politics, or for parties to work together, but we don't, we actively reward the opposite.HYUFD said:
I also struggle with putting up single word summaries of character like 'wise' up against 'dresses well' or 'comfortable mixing with people'.
And finally, of course, would such polling ever surprise? We want someone honest, hard working, principled, strong, wise, who is also warmly inspiring, good with people, sounds good and has had the right kind of job.0 -
I would have voted for Brexit if it had meant getting rid of Osborne. I see he has popped up abasing tonight. Here's a clue George. If you were so good why didn't you do better when you were in Government?Charles said:
I voted Brexit because I thought it meant we couldn’t be part of Eurovision any moreAnazina said:
Does anyone watch this utter drivel?TheScreamingEagles said:
Wait till you see Estonia's entry, it's where my money is going.Casino_Royale said:
Cripes. Perhaps I'll give it a miss then.TheScreamingEagles said:
The first semi was today, the second semi is on Thursday.Casino_Royale said:I have two questions for the PB Brains Trust:
(1) When, and at what time, is the Eurovision song contest on this year?
(2) Are the Polish washerwomen competing again?
I thank you.
The Contest proper starts 8pm on Saturday night on BBC1.
No Polish Milk Maids this time.
IMHO I think the entries this year are so camp that if Fred Phelps was alive and watched this year's contest he'd turn gay.
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It appears Israel has wasted no time backing up its rhetoric. Yet another strike in Syria against a surface to surface missile convoy at the south end of Damascus.
And they may not be done for the night. Everyone, apparently, knows they are coming but no one seems to be able to organise to successfully step them back.0 -
I'm surprised there's not more discussion of the Lords vote on the EEA. I think it's actually unprecedented in modern British history for either House to pass a motion against the wishes of the leadership of BOTH major parties. Indeed, can anyone find a precedent even in previous centuries?0
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And someone else will disagree that Corbyn has some of the qualities you think he has. Hence why it doesn't show why he has such a following at all.Foxy said:
That he has a following is incontestable, and some of those will be given as reasons, but of course they are, we see strength and wisdom in our leaders, we believe they understand us, and are clever etc.
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So what this chart is saying is, that the 2017 local elections were actually pretty bad(!) Amazing, that will definitely change peoples views. That's definitely more relevant than the subsequent general election and the local election that happened a few days ago.
(Not that the locals were stunning for Labour, they were meh for everyone except the Lib Dems, and the Lib Dems were only good by the remarkably low standards of recent years)0 -
Well yes but my main point is that what we say in answer to a poll, and what we actually like are two different things. I mean a number of the most popular ones apply to Nigel Farage. When people state that it is important to mean what they say, there is a big caveat which is as long as I agree with it.HYUFD said:
That is not entirely true, Berlusconi, John Howard, Eisenhower, Churchill all managed to win at least one election despite being baldNemtynakht said:
What we say we like and what we actually vote for are different. A lot of people pointed out Javids chances of becoming leader would be inhibited by being bald, as bald men disproportionately lose elections due to attractiveness bias.HYUFD said:
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Their Lordships vote against the wishes of the working class Leave voting plebs to end free movement and leave the EEA. Not much more needs to be said, it is not much of a surpriseNickPalmer said:I'm surprised there's not more discussion of the Lords vote on the EEA. I think it's actually unprecedented in modern British history for either House to pass a motion against the wishes of the leadership of BOTH major parties. Indeed, can anyone find a precedent even in previous centuries?
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I think we are entering a constitutional crisis, without a constitution.0
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Hardly surprising as you are anti ToryFoxy said:0 -
Nigel Farage got 12% of the vote in 2015 and was a key driver of the Leave voteNemtynakht said:
Well yes but my main point is that what we say in answer to a poll, and what we actually like are two different things. I mean a number of the most popular ones apply to Nigel Farage. When people state that it is important to mean what they say, there is a big caveat which is as long as I agree with it.HYUFD said:
That is not entirely true, Berlusconi, John Howard, Eisenhower, Churchill all managed to win at least one election despite being baldNemtynakht said:
What we say we like and what we actually vote for are different. A lot of people pointed out Javids chances of becoming leader would be inhibited by being bald, as bald men disproportionately lose elections due to attractiveness bias.HYUFD said:0 -
If only those horny handed sons of toil Boris Johnson, Jacob Rees Mogg and Nigel Farage could save us!HYUFD said:
Their Lordships vote against the wishes of the working class Leave voting plebs to end free movement and leave the EEA. Not much more needs to be said, it is not much of a surpriseNickPalmer said:I'm surprised there's not more discussion of the Lords vote on the EEA. I think it's actually unprecedented in modern British history for either House to pass a motion against the wishes of the leadership of BOTH major parties. Indeed, can anyone find a precedent even in previous centuries?
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They are more in tune with working class voters on Brexit than their LordshipsFoxy said:
If only those horny handed sons of toil Boris Johnson, Jacob Rees Mogg and Nigel Farage could save us!HYUFD said:
Their Lordships vote against the wishes of the working class Leave voting plebs to end free movement and leave the EEA. Not much more needs to be said, it is not much of a surpriseNickPalmer said:I'm surprised there's not more discussion of the Lords vote on the EEA. I think it's actually unprecedented in modern British history for either House to pass a motion against the wishes of the leadership of BOTH major parties. Indeed, can anyone find a precedent even in previous centuries?
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