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  • https://twitter.com/britainelects/status/989452101473402880

    Surprised the Lib Dems not doing better.....

    Really? As a former Lib Dem member and candidate - I'm not
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 52,207

    Sky News- The PM has full confidence in Amber Rudd.

    That means the journos have their "Rudd falls off perch" puns at the ready....
  • GIN1138GIN1138 Posts: 22,119

    Sky News- The PM has full confidence in Amber Rudd.

    She's toast,,,
  • CarlottaVanceCarlottaVance Posts: 60,216
    What Number Cruncher Politics had to say before the results:

    What would “bad” mean? So far there have been two YouGov/QMUL London polls, both putting Labour about 25 points ahead on council voting intention. That would equate to a swing to Labour of about 6 per cent from 2014. The national polls have shifted slightly since these polls were done, so that might imply that the swing has fallen to 4-5 per cent.


    That would be smaller than the London swing between the 2015 and 2017 general elections, which was 6.3 per cent. But crucially (as far as the narrative is concerned) it would mean – if the swing were even across the capital – that Labour would fall short in all but one of its target boroughs
  • GIN1138GIN1138 Posts: 22,119

    https://twitter.com/britainelects/status/989452101473402880

    Surprised the Lib Dems not doing better.....

    Owen Jones trolling us again. :(
  • MaxPBMaxPB Posts: 38,518
    Lame poll. Time to get back to work.
  • Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 61,662
    Mr. Gin, come along now. What were you expecting?
  • QuincelQuincel Posts: 4,042
    So a minor tick down for Labour. 22% lead compared to the 13% lead they had in 2014.

    I'll say it again: Why are Labour's odds slipping in Barnet? If they hit 20%+ lead across the capital they are very likely indeed to take the two seats they need there.
  • TheWhiteRabbitTheWhiteRabbit Posts: 12,442

    What Number Cruncher Politics had to say before the results:

    What would “bad” mean? So far there have been two YouGov/QMUL London polls, both putting Labour about 25 points ahead on council voting intention. That would equate to a swing to Labour of about 6 per cent from 2014. The national polls have shifted slightly since these polls were done, so that might imply that the swing has fallen to 4-5 per cent.


    That would be smaller than the London swing between the 2015 and 2017 general elections, which was 6.3 per cent. But crucially (as far as the narrative is concerned) it would mean – if the swing were even across the capital – that Labour would fall short in all but one of its target boroughs
    I make the QMUL poll a 5% a swing whereas February was a 7% swing.

    51 +13.5
    29 +3

  • timmotimmo Posts: 1,469
    Is there no borough by borough breakdown?
  • nunuonenunuone Posts: 1,138
    Pulpstar said:

    The swing won't be even across the capital. There are areas of London where the Conservatives should be gaining seats.

    Sutton springs to mind, but where else ?
    Barnet.....
  • glwglw Posts: 9,855
    GIN1138 said:

    https://twitter.com/britainelects/status/989452101473402880

    Surprised the Lib Dems not doing better.....

    Owen Jones trolling us again. :(
    I'm fairly sure that Owen Jones doesn't really know much about polling. As a rule of thumb opinions about "significant" polls are only worth a toss if they come from psephologists or political correspondents, the typical newspaper scribbler doesn't know enough to make such judgements.
  • TheWhiteRabbitTheWhiteRabbit Posts: 12,442
    timmo said:

    Is there no borough by borough breakdown?

    I think it is inner/outer, no more than that
  • GIN1138 said:

    https://twitter.com/britainelects/status/989452101473402880

    Surprised the Lib Dems not doing better.....

    Owen Jones trolling us again. :(
    He hasn't had a dose of the vapours?
    Disappointing.
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 77,769
    This micro-analysis is all very well, but outside the scope of the potential accuracy of modern day polling in my opinion. Either Westminter and Wandsworth always were going to go red, or always were going to stay blue. I doubt there has been such a swing in inner London since February, more the polls tracking the VI aren't perfect judges of the actual situation on the ground.
    The inner London swing will probably be somewhere between 6.5 and 13% but could still be more or less.
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 77,769
    I'd be amazed if the Tories lost Westminster with its incredibly low council tax.
  • David_EvershedDavid_Evershed Posts: 6,506
    GIN1138 said:

    Sky News- The PM has full confidence in Amber Rudd.

    She's toast,,,
    How would you like your toast done - black, amber or white?
  • David_EvershedDavid_Evershed Posts: 6,506

    https://twitter.com/britainelects/status/989452101473402880

    Surprised the Lib Dems not doing better.....

    Really? As a former Lib Dem member and candidate - I'm not
    As a former Lib Dem where do your sympathies lie now?
  • David_EvershedDavid_Evershed Posts: 6,506

    Sky News- The PM has full confidence in Amber Rudd.


    There is a mutual interest in the PM and Home Sec protecting each other.
  • rkrkrkrkrkrk Posts: 8,203
    edited April 2018

    Mr. Pulpstar, well, yes. It's a benefit, just not a state benefit.

    Mr. rkrkrk, right. So if a man is hiring someone to do work X, he can pick between a self-employed person charging more, or an employed person charging less, for the same work. That doesn't harm the self-employed at all, does it?

    As for the IFS, they're overrated. They criticised an early Osborne budget for not being progressive because it would reduce spending on benefits. The reduction was due to happen because of falling unemployment, decreasing the sum spent on unemployment benefit.

    I agree that we shouldn't regard the IFS as gospel - in particular they aren't particularly specialised in macroeconomics.

    But on this they are right. Your example doesn't make sense.

    When I hire a company - I am paying for all of those benefits like holiday and sick leave.
    When I hire a self-employed person I pay a rate which effectively includes any holiday or sick leave the self-employed person takes.
    But at the moment - the self-employed person will appear artifically cheaper because the employer gets stung with more national insurance.

    This change would have hurt the self-employed certainly. But only by reducing the significant tax advantage that they currently receive.
  • rkrkrkrkrkrk Posts: 8,203
    Pulpstar said:

    I'd be amazed if the Tories lost Westminster with its incredibly low council tax.

    Perfect storm though arguably?
    Brexit, over 1/3 councillors standing down, Grenfell tower anger, Labour recently won the Kensington seat etc.

    No idea what will happen really but anything from a very modest labour night in London to massive gains wouldn't surprise me.
  • notmenotme Posts: 3,293

    GIN1138 said:

    JohnO said:

    I still haven’t put a bob or four on Esther McVey. She should be up there...stands an excellent chance with the MPs and nothing attracts the members like a vicious attack from John McDonnell.

    I think Esther could be in with a chance as well.
    "On Monday, Esther McVey, the work and pensions secretary, caused controversy by calling the government’s “rape clause” for child tax credits “an opportunity” for rape victims to gain emotional support. She suggested that demanding rape victims disclose details of their attack to the Department for Work and Pensions (DWP) would offer “double support” – both emotional and financial."

    That was a pretty f****** stupid thing to say
    It was stupid to fall into the trap of having such a clause in the first place, it was only put their because of opposition demands. No other benefit is more generous or increases eligibility if the child is from a rape.
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