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FrancisUrquhart said:

Apparently the wife of the bloke who stabbed the intruder has dementia. PR nightmare if they decide to charge him with anything.

ydoethur said:

I think that poll says more about ConHome and its - ahem - shall we say charitably less realistic membership than it does about the actual chances of some of those figures.

TheScreamingEagles said:

It'll be anyone but Boris and JRM.

Thanks to the Tory party's quasi AV voting system for leader, MPs can stop them reaching the final two

ydoethur said:

I think that poll says more about ConHome and its - ahem - shall we say charitably less realistic membership than it does about the actual chances of some of those figures.

ydoethur said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

ydoethur said:

I think that poll says more about ConHome and its - ahem - shall we say charitably less realistic membership than it does about the actual chances of some of those figures.

In the past ConHome used to say their polls were checked against YouGov data to ensure they were getting a representative sample.

They haven't said that for months.

I know what I'll infer from that.

Representative of what? The electorate, the membership, ConHome readers or soem other sample?

I don't think Mogg will even stand, but if he did he has very little chance of reaching the final two.

TheScreamingEagles said:

FrancisUrquhart said:

Apparently the wife of the bloke who stabbed the intruder has dementia. PR nightmare if they decide to charge him with anything.

Even the CPS cannot screw this up, can they?

SirNorfolkPassmore said:

The odds on WRM are a bit bonkers. The fact ConHome surveys are non-scientific isn't the main issue. The main issue is that WRM has to make the top two even to get to the membership, and I honestly don't see the route for him.

Ishmael_Z said:

ydoethur said:

FrancisUrquhart said:

Apparently the wife of the bloke who stabbed the intruder has dementia. PR nightmare if they decide to charge him with anything.

It is very difficult to see anything but a PR nightmare and an acquittal if they charge him with anything including affray.

Martin was a fair enough cop. He was using an illegal shotgun, the burglar was both unarmed and running away therefore no threat, and he had repeatedly said he would use violence. Although the burglar shouldn't have been there Martin's defence was to say the least shaky.

Here we have somebody in his late seventies struggling with an armed (admittedly not well-armed, but still a screwdriver is potentially lethal) burglar in his own house. The burglar gets stabbed. That's just karma.

Unless the survivor rang at him with a machete yelling threats, Plod are almost certainly going to drop the case (unless the investigating officer is even more useless than Cressida Dick).

Not Plod's call, I believe, now that we have a CPS.

Bear in mind that Alison remains in post till October. Until we know how all the parties involved self-identify on race/gender/orientation issues, it's a difficult call to make.

Anazina said:

Jacob Rees-Mogg – lord help us.

TheWhiteRabbit said:

Ishmael_Z said:

ydoethur said:

FrancisUrquhart said:

Apparently the wife of the bloke who stabbed the intruder has dementia. PR nightmare if they decide to charge him with anything.

It is very difficult to see anything but a PR nightmare and an acquittal if they charge him with anything including affray.

Martin was a fair enough cop. He was using an illegal shotgun, the burglar was both unarmed and running away therefore no threat, and he had repeatedly said he would use violence. Although the burglar shouldn't have been there Martin's defence was to say the least shaky.

Here we have somebody in his late seventies struggling with an armed (admittedly not well-armed, but still a screwdriver is potentially lethal) burglar in his own house. The burglar gets stabbed. That's just karma.

Unless the survivor rang at him with a machete yelling threats, Plod are almost certainly going to drop the case (unless the investigating officer is even more useless than Cressida Dick).

Not Plod's call, I believe, now that we have a CPS.

Bear in mind that Alison remains in post till October. Until we know how all the parties involved self-identify on race/gender/orientation issues, it's a difficult call to make.

Police could drop the charges, the CPS can only prosecute charges.

ydoethur said:

FrancisUrquhart said:

Apparently the wife of the bloke who stabbed the intruder has dementia. PR nightmare if they decide to charge him with anything.

It is very difficult to see anything but a PR nightmare and an acquittal if they charge him with anything including affray.

Martin was a fair enough cop. He was using an illegal shotgun, the burglar was both unarmed and running away therefore no threat, and he had repeatedly said he would use violence. Although the burglar shouldn't have been there Martin's defence was to say the least shaky.

Here we have somebody in his late seventies struggling with an armed (admittedly not well-armed, but still a screwdriver is potentially lethal) burglar in his own house. The burglar gets stabbed. That's just karma.

Unless the survivor rang at him with a machete yelling threats, Plod are almost certainly going to drop the case (unless the investigating officer is even more useless than Cressida Dick).

DavidL said:

ydoethur said:

FrancisUrquhart said:

Apparently the wife of the bloke who stabbed the intruder has dementia. PR nightmare if they decide to charge him with anything.

It is very difficult to see anything but a PR nightmare and an acquittal if they charge him with anything including affray.

Martin was a fair enough cop. He was using an illegal shotgun, the burglar was both unarmed and running away therefore no threat, and he had repeatedly said he would use violence. Although the burglar shouldn't have been there Martin's defence was to say the least shaky.

Here we have somebody in his late seventies struggling with an armed (admittedly not well-armed, but still a screwdriver is potentially lethal) burglar in his own house. The burglar gets stabbed. That's just karma.

Unless the survivor rang at him with a machete yelling threats, Plod are almost certainly going to drop the case (unless the investigating officer is even more useless than Cressida Dick).

I am really struggling to see how this is not self defence.

DavidL said:

ydoethur said:

FrancisUrquhart said:

Apparently the wife of the bloke who stabbed the intruder has dementia. PR nightmare if they decide to charge him with anything.

It is very difficult to see anything but a PR nightmare and an acquittal if they charge him with anything including affray.

Martin was a fair enough cop. He was using an illegal shotgun, the burglar was both unarmed and running away therefore no threat, and he had repeatedly said he would use violence. Although the burglar shouldn't have been there Martin's defence was to say the least shaky.

Here we have somebody in his late seventies struggling with an armed (admittedly not well-armed, but still a screwdriver is potentially lethal) burglar in his own house. The burglar gets stabbed. That's just karma.

Unless the survivor rang at him with a machete yelling threats, Plod are almost certainly going to drop the case (unless the investigating officer is even more useless than Cressida Dick).

I am really struggling to see how this is not self defence.

Anazina said:

HYUFD said:

Anazina said:

HYUFD said:

Stark_Dawning said:

Under Theresa the Tories have very much become the party of caravan holidays and jumble sales. It's no surprise that London - a city of edginess, ambition and vim - should see them as dull and irrelevant or even a touch morbid. These days I can barely picture a Tory who wouldn't partake in tea dancing.

Though West London is still largely Tory

Absolute rubbish. The vast majority of West London is Labour. I think you are mistaking West London with South West London!

This is easily verifiable by simply searching google.

https://goo.gl/images/c3AqPf

The posher bits of West London, Westminster, the City, Chelsea, Putney, Fulham, Richmond Park, Hillingdon etc are still largely Tory.

It is East London, North London up to the Essex border and with the exception of Barnet with its high Jewish population and South London up to the Kent border which are now overwhelmingly Labour

It's amazing the lengths you go to to avoid admitting an error. Just admit you are wrong man, it won't hurt you! People will respect you for it. Let's unpack this response, one by one. The map I posted clearly shows that WEST London is a Labour area.


Westminster [parts of it are Tory, Westminster North is Labour]
the City [this in in East Central London, not West London]
Chelsea [this is South West London, the clue is in the postcode, SW3]
Putney [south of the river, South West 15, and only just Tory by a tiny majority anyway]
Fulham [South West 6]
Richmond Park [in the far SW of the capital, again south of the water]
Hillingdon etc [some parts of it are Tory, not all by any means]

LordOfReason said:

World cups and Olympics etc are subcontracted by governing bodies as kudos for the hosting nation. For example think of 1966 and all that, think how this nation felt when we won vote to host olympics and when the olympics were on here. Why are we minded today to give Putins regime that kudos?

I know the government takes note of discussions on here, I am trying to help them come across as proactive rather than reactive. By thinking ahead to the time the anger and the need to respond to Putins crime against us, and the Putin regime still taking piss out of us on a daily basis just like everyday this week, or relations maybe even worse, whilst we are actually attending his World Cup party? It’s political madness to think we can still go party there and put ourselves in that silly situation.

Also, After a series of polling and voodoo phone polls the government will be seen to be reacting rather than leading. So act now. Calm proactive pull out ahead of any polling will seem more principled in the long run, and allow FA more time to make alternative arrangements.

Sandpit said:

DavidL said:

ydoethur said:

FrancisUrquhart said:

Apparently the wife of the bloke who stabbed the intruder has dementia. PR nightmare if they decide to charge him with anything.

It is very difficult to see anything but a PR nightmare and an acquittal if they charge him with anything including affray.

Martin was a fair enough cop. He was using an illegal shotgun, the burglar was both unarmed and running away therefore no threat, and he had repeatedly said he would use violence. Although the burglar shouldn't have been there Martin's defence was to say the least shaky.

Here we have somebody in his late seventies struggling with an armed (admittedly not well-armed, but still a screwdriver is potentially lethal) burglar in his own house. The burglar gets stabbed. That's just karma.

Unless the survivor rang at him with a machete yelling threats, Plod are almost certainly going to drop the case (unless the investigating officer is even more useless than Cressida Dick).

I am really struggling to see how this is not self defence.

Agreed. But when is the appropriate time for him to make that defence, in court surely?

Carolus_Rex said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

ydoethur said:

Ishmael_Z said:

Gardenwalker said:

SirNorfolkPassmore said:

The odds on WRM are a bit bonkers. The fact ConHome surveys are non-scientific isn't the main issue. The main issue is that WRM has to make the top two even to get to the membership, and I honestly don't see the route for him.

Now there’s an idea. William Rees-Mogg for PM. Perhaps he was cryogenically frozen.

Who breaks a Brexit-loon upon a wheel?

At that level of poshness Christian names are pretty fluid. Who's to say Jacob will not take the regnal name William when He ascends to His rightful place?

I was hoping he would announce Annunziata as his name.

With that I have to go out. Have a good afternoon everyone.

That would be confusing. That's his sister's name.

Interesting lady, nearly became an MP herself in 2010, would have in 2015 if she had stood again.

Didn't David Cameron ask her to change her name in 2010 because he thought her real one looked too posh?

HYUFD said:

Anazina said:

HYUFD said:

Anazina said:

HYUFD said:

Stark_Dawning said:

Under Theresa the Tories have very much become the party of caravan holidays and jumble sales. It's no surprise that London - a city of edginess, ambition and vim - should see them as dull and irrelevant or even a touch morbid. These days I can barely picture a Tory who wouldn't partake in tea dancing.

Though West London is still largely Tory

Absolute rubbish. The vast majority of West London is Labour. I think you are mistaking West London with South West London!

This is easily verifiable by simply searching google.

https://goo.gl/images/c3AqPf

The posher bits of West London, Westminster, the City, Chelsea, Putney, Fulham, Richmond Park, Hillingdon etc are still largely Tory.

It is East London, North London up to the Essex border and with the exception of Barnet with its high Jewish population and South London up to the Kent border which are now overwhelmingly Labour

It's amazing the lengths you go to to avoid admitting an error. Just admit you are wrong man, it won't hurt you! People will respect you for it. Let's unpack this response, one by one. The map I posted clearly shows that WEST London is a Labour area.


Westminster [parts of it are Tory, Westminster North is Labour]
the City [this in in East Central London, not West London]
Chelsea [this is South West London, the clue is in the postcode, SW3]
Putney [south of the river, South West 15, and only just Tory by a tiny majority anyway]
Fulham [South West 6]
Richmond Park [in the far SW of the capital, again south of the water]
Hillingdon etc [some parts of it are Tory, not all by any means]

City of London and Westminster Tory MP. Westminster Council Tory Council.
Chelsea Tory MP and Tory Council in Kensington and Chelsea.
Fulham Tory MP.

All those areas make up the West Central London Assembly seat which is also Tory so I was correct to say West London was mainly Tory still even if you just confine it to central West London

Anazina said:

HYUFD said:

Anazina said:

HYUFD said:

Anazina said:

HYUFD said:

Stark_Dawning said:

Under Theresa the Tories have very much become the party of caravan holidays and jumble sales. It's no surprise that London - a city of edginess, ambition and vim - should see them as dull and irrelevant or even a touch morbid. These days I can barely picture a Tory who wouldn't partake in tea dancing.

Though West London is still largely Tory

Absolute rubbish. The vast majority of West London is Labour. I think you are mistaking West London with South West London!

This is easily verifiable by simply searching google.

https://goo.gl/images/c3AqPf

The posher bits of West London, Westminster, the City, Chelsea, Putney, Fulham, Richmond Park, Hillingdon etc are still largely Tory.

It is East London, North London up to the Essex border and with the exception of Barnet with its high Jewish population and South London up to the Kent border which are now overwhelmingly Labour

It's amazing the lengths you go to to avoid admitting an error. Just admit you are wrong man, it won't hurt you! People will respect you for it. Let's unpack this response, one by one. The map I posted clearly shows that WEST London is a Labour area.


Westminster [parts of it are Tory, Westminster North is Labour]
the City [this in in East Central London, not West London]
Chelsea [this is South West London, the clue is in the postcode, SW3]
Putney [south of the river, South West 15, and only just Tory by a tiny majority anyway]
Fulham [South West 6]
Richmond Park [in the far SW of the capital, again south of the water]
Hillingdon etc [some parts of it are Tory, not all by any means]

City of London and Westminster Tory MP. Westminster Council Tory Council.
Chelsea Tory MP and Tory Council in Kensington and Chelsea.
Fulham Tory MP.

All those areas make up the West Central London Assembly seat which is also Tory so I was correct to say West London was mainly Tory still even if you just confine it to central West London

No you were completely wrong to say that. The map clearly shows that that West London, i.e. that part of London that is in the west of the city and has a W postcode is overwhelmingly Labour. Why not just concede the point for once instead of dancing on ever decreasing pinheads?

Richard_Nabavi said:

ConHome is not representative of the party, it's a self-select voodoo poll, it's an academic question at the moment anyway, the leadership is not decided by a first-past-the-post poll of members, MPs will play sophisticated games in the first stages, there will be hustings which may well change perceptions, we don't know when the context will take place, we don't know who will be standing, lots of events will intervene, and the crucial question isn't 'who do you want?' but 'who do you definitely NOT want?'.

Other than that, a useful poll.

TheScreamingEagles said:

Tissue_Price said:

And so it came to pass that Moses went to Pharaoh in Egypt and said: “My people are slaves; they are held in bondage and forced to labour in terrible conditions.” And he said to Pharaoh: “Let my people go.”

And Pharaoh said: “How dare you accuse me of slavery. This is a vile smear. I have been an anti-slaver all my life. I would not tolerate slavery in my country.” And Moses said: “Well, what about those slaves over there?” And Pharaoh replied: “Well OK, there may be pockets of slavery but the idea that Egypt has a systemic problem with it is frankly offensive.”

https://www.ft.com/content/825b2518-38b3-11e8-8b98-2f31af407cc8

Brilliant

Gardenwalker said:

Anazina said:

HYUFD said:

Anazina said:

HYUFD said:

Anazina said:

HYUFD said:

Stark_Dawning said:

Under Theresa the Tories have very much become the party of caravan holidays and jumble sales. It's no surprise that London - a city of edginess, ambition and vim - should see them as dull and irrelevant or even a touch morbid. These days I can barely picture a Tory who wouldn't partake in tea dancing.

Though West London is still largely Tory

Absolute rubbish. The vast majority of West London is Labour. I think you are mistaking West London with South West London!

This is easily verifiable by simply searching google.

https://goo.gl/images/c3AqPf

The posher bits of West London, Westminster, the City, Chelsea, Putney, Fulham, Richmond Park, Hillingdon etc are still largely Tory.

It is East London, North London up to the Essex border and with the exception of Barnet with its high Jewish population and South London up to the Kent border which are now overwhelmingly Labour

It's amazing the lengths you go to to avoid admitting an error. Just admit you are wrong man, it won't hurt you! People will respect you for it. Let's unpack this response, one by one. The map I posted clearly shows that WEST London is a Labour area.


Westminster [parts of it are Tory, Westminster North is Labour]
the City [this in in East Central London, not West London]
Chelsea [this is South West London, the clue is in the postcode, SW3]
Putney [south of the river, South West 15, and only just Tory by a tiny majority anyway]
Fulham [South West 6]
Richmond Park [in the far SW of the capital, again south of the water]
Hillingdon etc [some parts of it are Tory, not all by any means]

City of London and Westminster Tory MP. Westminster Council Tory Council.
Chelsea Tory MP and Tory Council in Kensington and Chelsea.
Fulham Tory MP.

All those areas make up the West Central London Assembly seat which is also Tory so I was correct to say West London was mainly Tory still even if you just confine it to central West London

No you were completely wrong to say that. The map clearly shows that that West London, i.e. that part of London that is in the west of the city and has a W postcode is overwhelmingly Labour. Why not just concede the point for once instead of dancing on ever decreasing pinheads?

Do not bother trying to argue with HYUFD. He is a notorious troll.

Anazina said:

HYUFD said:

Anazina said:

HYUFD said:

Anazina said:

HYUFD said:

Stark_Dawning said:

Under Theresa the Tories have very much become the party of caravan holidays and jumble sales. It's no surprise that London - a city of edginess, ambition and vim - should see them as dull and irrelevant or even a touch morbid. These days I can barely picture a Tory who wouldn't partake in tea dancing.

Though West London is still largely Tory

Absolute rubbish. The vast majority of West London is Labour. I think you are mistaking West London with South West London!

This is easily verifiable by simply searching google.

https://goo.gl/images/c3AqPf

The posher bits of West London, Westminster, the City, Chelsea, Putney, Fulham, Richmond Park, Hillingdon etc are still largely Tory.

It is East London, North London up to the Essex border and with the exception of Barnet with its high Jewish population and South London up to the Kent border which are now overwhelmingly Labour

It's amazing the lengths you go to to avoid admitting an error. Just admit you are wrong man, it won't hurt you! People will respect you for it. Let's unpack this response, one by one. The map I posted clearly shows that WEST London is a Labour area.


Westminster [parts of it are Tory, Westminster North is Labour]
the City [this in in East Central London, not West London]
Chelsea [this is South West London, the clue is in the postcode, SW3]
Putney [south of the river, South West 15, and only just Tory by a tiny majority anyway]
Fulham [South West 6]
Richmond Park [in the far SW of the capital, again south of the water]
Hillingdon etc [some parts of it are Tory, not all by any means]

City of London and Westminster Tory MP. Westminster Council Tory Council.
Chelsea Tory MP and Tory Council in Kensington and Chelsea.
Fulham Tory MP.

All those areas make up the West Central London Assembly seat which is also Tory so I was correct to say West London was mainly Tory still even if you just confine it to central West London

No you were completely wrong to say that. The map clearly shows that that West London, i.e. that part of London that is in the west of the city and has a W postcode is overwhelmingly Labour. Why not just concede the point for once instead of dancing on ever decreasing pinheads?

Anazina said:

Why not just concede the point for once instead of dancing on ever decreasing pinheads?

Anazina said:

Gardenwalker said:

Anazina said:

HYUFD said:

Anazina said:

HYUFD said:

Anazina said:

HYUFD said:

Stark_Dawning said:

Under Theresa the Tories have very much become the party of caravan holidays and jumble sales. It's no surprise that London - a city of edginess, ambition and vim - should see them as dull and irrelevant or even a touch morbid. These days I can barely picture a Tory who wouldn't partake in tea dancing.

Though West London is still largely Tory

Absolute rubbish. The vast majority of West London is Labour. I think you are mistaking West London with South West London!

This is easily verifiable by simply searching google.

https://goo.gl/images/c3AqPf

The posher bits of West London, Westminster, the City, Chelsea, Putney, Fulham, Richmond Park, Hillingdon etc are still largely Tory.

It is East London, North London up to the Essex border and with the exception of Barnet with its high Jewish population and South London up to the Kent border which are now overwhelmingly Labour

It's amazing the lengths you go to to avoid admitting an error. Just admit you are wrong man, it won't hurt you! People will respect you for it. Let's unpack this response, one by one. The map I posted clearly shows that WEST London is a Labour area.


Westminster [parts of it are Tory, Westminster North is Labour]
the City [this in in East Central London, not West London]
Chelsea [this is South West London, the clue is in the postcode, SW3]
Putney [south of the river, South West 15, and only just Tory by a tiny majority anyway]
Fulham [South West 6]
Richmond Park [in the far SW of the capital, again south of the water]
Hillingdon etc [some parts of it are Tory, not all by any means]

City of London and Westminster Tory MP. Westminster Council Tory Council.
Chelsea Tory MP and Tory Council in Kensington and Chelsea.
Fulham Tory MP.

All those areas make up the West Central London Assembly seat which is also Tory so I was correct to say West London was mainly Tory still even if you just confine it to central West London

No you were completely wrong to say that. The map clearly shows that that West London, i.e. that part of London that is in the west of the city and has a W postcode is overwhelmingly Labour. Why not just concede the point for once instead of dancing on ever decreasing pinheads?

Do not bother trying to argue with HYUFD. He is a notorious troll.

He is a Tory politician in Essex too.

HYUFD said:

Anazina said:

HYUFD said:

Anazina said:

HYUFD said:

Anazina said:

HYUFD said:

Stark_Dawning said:

Under Theresa the Tories have very much become the party of caravan holidays and jumble sales. It's no surprise that London - a city of edginess, ambition and vim - should see them as dull and irrelevant or even a touch morbid. These days I can barely picture a Tory who wouldn't partake in tea dancing.

Though West London is still largely Tory

Absolute rubbish. The vast majority of West London is Labour. I think you are mistaking West London with South West London!

This is easily verifiable by simply searching google.

https://goo.gl/images/c3AqPf

BLAH

It's amazing the lengths you go to to avoid admitting an error. Just admit you are wrong man, it won't hurt you! People will respect you for it. Let's unpack this response, one by one. The map I posted clearly shows that WEST London is a Labour area.


Westminster [parts of it are Tory, Westminster North is Labour]
the City [this in in East Central London, not West London]
Chelsea [this is South West London, the clue is in the postcode, SW3]
Putney [south of the river, South West 15, and only just Tory by a tiny majority anyway]
Fulham [South West 6]
Richmond Park [in the far SW of the capital, again south of the water]
Hillingdon etc [some parts of it are Tory, not all by any means]

City of London and Westminster Tory MP. Westminster Council Tory Council.
Chelsea Tory MP and Tory Council in Kensington and Chelsea.
Fulham Tory MP.

All those areas make up the West Central London Assembly seat which is also Tory so I was correct to say West London was mainly Tory still even if you just confine it to central West London

No you were completely wrong to say that. The map clearly shows that that West London, i.e. that part of London that is in the west of the city and has a W postcode is overwhelmingly Labour. Why not just concede the point for once instead of dancing on ever decreasing pinheads?

Because you are wrong. Even when I have shown you the West Central London Assembly area is majority Tory and has a Tory Assembly member you persist in saying West London is overwhelmingly Labour

Richard_Nabavi said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

Asking for a friend who backed Jeremy Hunt at prices of 100/1 plus and stands to win a nice five figure sum when he does become PM.

Hunt is now 21s on Betfair, do I start to lay some of my stakes? Or should I wait for his price to fall a bit more, if so, what odds?

I'd suggest your friend waits. The market is currently artificially skewed towards the two favourites, one of whom has barely any chance and the other of whom has probably missed the boat.

Gardenwalker said:

AndyJS said:

Is there any evidence Jacob Rees Mogg wouldn't be popular with voters?

The fact that he’s a complete berk?
We do not need stand-up comedians for Prime Minister. Look what happens when you appoint one to Foreign Secretary.

Caligula was a better judge of character than May...

Hertsmere_Pubgoer said:

I'm in JRM @ 57/1 for next CON leader for the price of a pint.
Is it worth laying off or hanging on in case he drifts in further?

Gardenwalker said:

Anazina said:

Gardenwalker said:

Anazina said:

HYUFD said:

Anazina said:

HYUFD said:

Anazina said:

HYUFD said:

Stark_Dawning said:

Under Theresa the Tories have very much become the party of caravan holidays and jumble sales. It's no surprise that London - a city of edginess, ambition and vim - should see them as dull and irrelevant or even a touch morbid. These days I can barely picture a Tory who wouldn't partake in tea dancing.

Though West London is still largely Tory

Absolute rubbish. The vast majority of West London is Labour. I think you are mistaking West London with South West London!

This is easily verifiable by simply searching google.

https://goo.gl/images/c3AqPf

The posher bits of West London, Westminster, the City, Chelsea, Putney, Fulham, Richmond Park, Hillingdon etc are still largely Tory.

It is East London, North London up to the Essex border and with the exception of Barnet with its high Jewish population and South London up to the Kent border which are now overwhelmingly Labour

It's amazing the lengths you go to to avoid admitting an error. Just admit you are wrong man, it won't hurt you! People will respect you for it. Let's unpack this response, one by one. The map I posted clearly shows that WEST London is a Labour area.


Westminster [parts of it are Tory, Westminster North is Labour]
the City [this in in East Central London, not West London]
Chelsea [this is South West London, the clue is in the postcode, SW3]
Putney [south of the river, South West 15, and only just Tory by a tiny majority anyway]
Fulham [South West 6]
Richmond Park [in the far SW of the capital, again south of the water]
Hillingdon etc [some parts of it are Tory, not all by any means]

City of London and Westminster Tory MP. Westminster Council Tory Council.
Chelsea Tory MP and Tory Council in Kensington and Chelsea.
Fulham Tory MP.
BLAH

No you were completely wrong to say that. The map clearly shows that that West London, i.e. that part of London that is in the west of the city and has a W postcode is overwhelmingly Labour. Why not just concede the point for once instead of dancing on ever decreasing pinheads?

Do not bother trying to argue with HYUFD. He is a notorious troll.

He is a Tory politician in Essex too.

He needs to spend less time on pinheads and more time on potholes.

Anazina said:

HYUFD said:

Anazina said:

HYUFD said:

Anazina said:

HYUFD said:

Anazina said:

HYUFD said:

Stark_Dawning said:

Under Theresa the Tories have very much become the party of caravan holidays and jumble sales. It's no surprise that London - a city of edginess, ambition and vim - should see them as dull and irrelevant or even a touch morbid. These days I can barely picture a Tory who wouldn't partake in tea dancing.

Though West London is still largely Tory

Absolute rubbish. The vast majority of West London is Labour. I think you are mistaking West London with South West London!

This is easily verifiable by simply searching google.

https://goo.gl/images/c3AqPf

BLAH

It's amazing the lengths you go to to avoid admitting an error. Just admit you are wrong man, it won't hurt you! People will respect you for it. Let's unpack this response, one by one. The map I posted clearly shows that WEST London is a Labour area.


Westminster [parts of it are Tory, Westminster North is Labour]
the City [this in in East Central London, not West London]
Chelsea [this is South West London, the clue is in the postcode, SW3]
Putney [south of the river, South West 15, and only just Tory by a tiny majority anyway]
Fulham [South West 6]
Richmond Park [in the far SW of the capital, again south of the water]
Hillingdon etc [some parts of it are Tory, not all by any means]

City of London and Westminster Tory MP. Westminster Council Tory Council.
Chelsea Tory MP and Tory Council in Kensington and Chelsea.
Fulham Tory MP.

All those areas make up the West Central London Assembly seat which is also Tory so I was correct to say West London was mainly Tory still even if you just confine it to central West London

No you were completely wrong to say that. The map clearly shows that that West London, i.e. that part of London that is in the west of the city and has a W postcode is overwhelmingly Labour. Why not just concede the point for once instead of dancing on ever decreasing pinheads?

Because you are wrong. Even when I have shown you the West Central London Assembly area is majority Tory and has a Tory Assembly member you persist in saying West London is overwhelmingly Labour

For crying out loud, buy a compass before you bother me again.

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/1/15/LondonParliamentaryConstituency2017Results3.png

DavidL said:

ydoethur said:

FrancisUrquhart said:

Apparently the wife of the bloke who stabbed the intruder has dementia. PR nightmare if they decide to charge him with anything.

It is very difficult to see anything but a PR nightmare and an acquittal if they charge him with anything including affray.

Martin was a fair enough cop. He was using an illegal shotgun, the burglar was both unarmed and running away therefore no threat, and he had repeatedly said he would use violence. Although the burglar shouldn't have been there Martin's defence was to say the least shaky.

Here we have somebody in his late seventies struggling with an armed (admittedly not well-armed, but still a screwdriver is potentially lethal) burglar in his own house. The burglar gets stabbed. That's just karma.

Unless the survivor rang at him with a machete yelling threats, Plod are almost certainly going to drop the case (unless the investigating officer is even more useless than Cressida Dick).

I am really struggling to see how this is not self defence.

Richard_Nabavi said:

Hertsmere_Pubgoer said:

I'm in JRM @ 57/1 for next CON leader for the price of a pint.
Is it worth laying off or hanging on in case he drifts in further?

Lay off

Casino_Royale said:

DavidL said:

ydoethur said:

FrancisUrquhart said:

Apparently the wife of the bloke who stabbed the intruder has dementia. PR nightmare if they decide to charge him with anything.

It is very difficult to see anything but a PR nightmare and an acquittal if they charge him with anything including affray.

Martin was a fair enough cop. He was using an illegal shotgun, the burglar was both unarmed and running away therefore no threat, and he had repeatedly said he would use violence. Although the burglar shouldn't have been there Martin's defence was to say the least shaky.

Here we have somebody in his late seventies struggling with an armed (admittedly not well-armed, but still a screwdriver is potentially lethal) burglar in his own house. The burglar gets stabbed. That's just karma.

Unless the survivor rang at him with a machete yelling threats, Plod are almost certainly going to drop the case (unless the investigating officer is even more useless than Cressida Dick).

I am really struggling to see how this is not self defence.

The Met’s sympathies probably lie with the burglar.

Anazina said:

Gardenwalker said:

Anazina said:

Gardenwalker said:

Anazina said:

HYUFD said:

Anazina said:

HYUFD said:

Anazina said:

HYUFD said:

Stark_Dawning said:

Under Theresa the Tories have very much become the party of caravan holidays and jumble sales. It's no surprise that London - a city of edginess, ambition and vim - should see them as dull and irrelevant or even a touch morbid. These days I can barely picture a Tory who wouldn't partake in tea dancing.

Though West London is still largely Tory

Absolute rubbish. The vast majority of West London is Labour. I think you are mistaking West London with South West London!

This is easily verifiable by simply searching google.

https://goo.gl/images/c3AqPf

The posher bits of West London, Westminster, the City, Chelsea, Putney, Fulham, Richmond Park, Hillingdon etc are still largely Tory.

It is East London, North London up to the Essex border and with the exception of Barnet with its high Jewish population and South London up to the Kent border which are now overwhelmingly Labour

It's amazing the lengths you go to to avoid admitting an error. Just admit you are wrong man, it won't hurt you! People will respect you for it. Let's unpack this response, one by one. The map I posted clearly shows that WEST London is a Labour area.


Westminster [parts of it are Tory, Westminster North is Labour]
the City [this in in East Central London, not West London]
Chelsea [this is South West London, the clue is in the postcode, SW3]
Putney [south of the river, South West 15, and only just Tory by a tiny majority anyway]
Fulham [South West 6]
Richmond Park [in the far SW of the capital, again south of the water]
Hillingdon etc [some parts of it are Tory, not all by any means]

City of London and Westminster Tory MP. Westminster Council Tory Council.
Chelsea Tory MP and Tory Council in Kensington and Chelsea.
Fulham Tory MP.
BLAH

No you were completely wrong to say that. The map clearly shows g on ever decreasing pinheads?

Do not bother trying to argue with HYUFD. He is a notorious troll.

He is a Tory politician in Essex too.

He needs to spend less time on pinheads and more time on potholes.

And their no street lighting policy.

Although, as been proven again today, he likes to keep people in the dark.

HYUFD said:

Anazina said:

Gardenwalker said:

Anazina said:

Gardenwalker said:

Anazina said:

HYUFD said:

Anazina said:

HYUFD said:

Anazina said:

HYUFD said:

Stark_Dawning said:

Under Theresa the Tories have very much become the party of caravan holidays and jumble sales. It's no surprise that London - a city of edginess, ambition and vim - should see them as dull and irrelevant or even a touch morbid. These days I can barely picture a Tory who wouldn't partake in tea dancing.

Though West London is still largely Tory

Absolute rubbish. The vast majority of West London is Labour. I think you are mistaking West London with South West London!

This is easily verifiable by simply searching google.

https://goo.gl/images/c3AqPf

The posher bits of West London, Westminster, the City, Chelsea, Putney, Fulham, Richmond Park, Hillingdon etc are still largely Tory.

It is East London, North London up to the Essex border and with the exception of Barnet with its high Jewish population and South London up to the Kent border which are now overwhelmingly Labour

It's amazing the lengths you go to to avoid admitting an error. Just admit you are wrong man, it won't hurt you! People will respect you for it. Let's unpack this response, one by one. The map I posted clearly shows that WEST London is a Labour area.


Westminster [parts of it are Tory, Westminster North is Labour]
the City [this in in East Central London, not West London]
Chelsea [this is South West London, the clue is in the postcode, SW3]
Putney [south of the river, South West 15, and only just Tory by a tiny majority anyway]
Fulham [South West 6]
Richmond Park [in the far SW of the capital, again south of the water]
Hillingdon etc [some parts of it are Tory, not all by any means]

City of London and Westminster Tory MP. Westminster Council Tory Council.
Chelsea Tory MP and Tory Council in Kensington and Chelsea.
Fulham Tory MP.
BLAH

No you were completely wrong to say that. The map clearly shows g on ever decreasing pinheads?

Do not bother trying to argue with HYUFD. He is a notorious troll.

He is a Tory politician in Essex too.

He needs to spend less time on pinheads and more time on potholes.

And their no street lighting policy.

Although, as been proven again today, he likes to keep people in the dark.

We are getting more police in Essex and there has been no rise in crime at the time street lights have been switched off

HYUFD said:

Anazina said:

Gardenwalker said:

Anazina said:

Gardenwalker said:

Anazina said:

HYUFD said:

Anazina said:

HYUFD said:

Anazina said:

HYUFD said:

Stark_Dawning said:

Under Theresa the Tories have very much become the party of caravan holidays and jumble sales. It's no surprise that London - a city of edginess, ambition and vim - should see them as dull and irrelevant or even a touch morbid. These days I can barely picture a Tory who wouldn't partake in tea dancing.

Though West London is still largely Tory

Absolute rubbish. The vast majority of West London is Labour. I think you are mistaking West London with South West London!

This is easily verifiable by simply searching google.

https://goo.gl/images/c3AqPf

The posher bits of West London, Westminster, the City, Chelsea, Putney, Fulham, Richmond Park, Hillingdon etc are still largely Tory.

It is East London, North London up to the Essex border and with the exception of Barnet with its high Jewish population and South London up to the Kent border which are now overwhelmingly Labour

It's amazing the lengths you go to to avoid admitting an error. Just admit you are wrong man, it won't hurt you! People will respect you for it. Let's unpack this response, one by one. The map I posted clearly shows that WEST London is a Labour area.


Westminster [parts of it are Tory, Westminster North is Labour]
the City [this in in East Central London, not West London]
Chelsea [this is South West London, the clue is in the postcode, SW3]
Putney [south of the river, South West 15, and only just Tory by a tiny majority anyway]
Fulham [South West 6]
Richmond Park [in the far SW of the capital, again south of the water]
Hillingdon etc [some parts of it are Tory, not all by any means]

City of London and Westminster Tory MP. Westminster Council Tory Council.
Chelsea Tory MP and Tory Council in Kensington and Chelsea.
Fulham Tory MP.
BLAH

Do not bother trying to argue with HYUFD. He is a notorious troll.

He is a Tory politician in Essex too.

He needs to spend less time on pinheads and more time on potholes.

And their no street lighting policy.

Although, as been proven again today, he likes to keep people in the dark.

We are getting more police in Essex and there has been no rise in crime at the time street lights have been switched off