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Of course, there is another aspect to the argument...TheWhiteRabbit said:
The new data protection act should end this.Nigelb said:
Time to update the unfair contract terms legislation.TheScreamingEagles said:
Nah. It was buried in the T&Cs of the app I believe.Pulpstar said:
Does this mean I can get a payout like those clebs with the Sun/Mirror ?TheScreamingEagles said:
Hurrah for Apple.Nigelb said:
While bugging your phone (if you use Android)...TheScreamingEagles said:Zuckerberg refuses to answer MPs
Mark Zuckerberg has refused to personally answer MPs questions regarding Facebook's use of its users' data.
Instead, he will send a deputy who will make themselves available to give evidence to the culture committee.
https://slate.com/technology/2018/03/facebook-acknowledges-it-kept-records-of-calls-and-texts-from-android-users.html
Person A may have consented, but Person B (who Person A has called, added to contacts, etc.) has not. If there were ever a case under domestic legislation that such consent would be implied, that has gone.
I suppose it might be different if Person B was also a facebook user.
https://www.politico.eu/article/opinion-europes-ai-delusion/
One obvious advantage China enjoys is access to almost unlimited pools of data. The machine-learning technologies boosting the current wave of AI expansion are as good as the amount of data they can use. That could be the number of people driving cars, photos labeled on the internet or voice samples for translation apps. With 700 or 800 million Chinese internet users and fewer data protection rules, China is as rich in data as the Gulf States are in oil….
…I was asked to comment on a draft of the AI strategy the European Commission will publish on April 24. My initial assessment is that it has almost nothing to do with reality.0 -
As Lady Gaga said, we were born this way.williamglenn said:
“Children who need to be taught to respect traditional European values are being taught that they have an inalienable right to be sovereign.”RoyalBlue said:
Are you happy with us preying on the young and impressionable?AlastairMeeks said:
I don't mind them, but it's the way they ram it down your throat.williamglenn said:Are all PB Brexiteers ‘out’?
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I agree. I remember the AV campaign got involved in similar process arguments. The public isn't interested, and as you say, it comes across as sour grapes.HHemmelig said:
If you stick your head above the parapet you can't complain when it gets blown off. Twas ever thus. I'm a staunch Remainer but all this complaining about campaign spending comes across to me like sour grapes, likely to backfire with the general public. That the BBC, Guardian etc are giving airtime to this 6th Form common room spat is beyond ridiculous.DavidL said:
I think it is relevant to the context in which the advice was given and why it might have been given. Whether there was any need to make it public is more debatable but nearly all the publicity about it seems to have come from the agents for the whistleblower.0 -
Facebook founder Mark Zuckerberg has said he will not appear before MPs investigating fake news, but will send one of his senior executives instead.
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Particularly as Remain outspent Leave by more than £5 million and still lostBarnesian said:
I agree. I remember the AV campaign got involved in similar process arguments. The public isn't interested, and as you say, it comes across as sour grapes.HHemmelig said:
If you stick your head above the parapet you can't complain when it gets blown off. Twas ever thus. I'm a staunch Remainer but all this complaining about campaign spending comes across to me like sour grapes, likely to backfire with the general public. That the BBC, Guardian etc are giving airtime to this 6th Form common room spat is beyond ridiculous.DavidL said:
I think it is relevant to the context in which the advice was given and why it might have been given. Whether there was any need to make it public is more debatable but nearly all the publicity about it seems to have come from the agents for the whistleblower.
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Should Shamir Sanni have expected to be assumed to be gay when he attended a Pride event at 10 Downing Street? Surely it is bad form for a straight person to appropriate a place at such an event? If he was a plus one of a gay person, would that be a reasonable assumption to make?TheWhiteRabbit said:
Did Stephen Parkinson know, or ought he to have known, that he was outing Shahmir Sanni?AlastairMeeks said:
Their friendship is relevant context to his defence. Their having been lovers is not.Richard_Nabavi said:
And Stephen Parkinson is quite entitled to provide the context of the alleged whistleblowing, which he did without fuss (all the fuss came from the other side). He is, after all, being accused in public of a potentially career-wrecking and possibly criminal offence by his ex-boyfriend, who was the one who made the choice to go public on this whole story.AlastairMeeks said:How thoughtful of you to make other people's life decisions for them.
Obviously I'm a firm believer in being out. Some other people do not feel the same way. They are entitled to make their own choices on the matter.
If you want to allocate blame for any distress caused by the outing, I'd suggest the lawyers who are using Shahmir Sanni for political ends might be a better target.
Even if you believe otherwise, Stephen Parkinson is not an elected politician and as such could have provided more detail in private to his employer. He did not need to go public at all. He made choices, choices that have had a direct impact on someone else's private life. This is a grave mistake.0 -
Did they have a pre-nup ?AlastairMeeks said:
Their friendship is relevant context to his defence. Their having been lovers is not.Richard_Nabavi said:
And Stephen Parkinson is quite entitled to provide the context of the alleged whistleblowing, which he did without fuss (all the fuss came from the other side). He is, after all, being accused in public of a potentially career-wrecking and possibly criminal offence by his ex-boyfriend, who was the one who made the choice to go public on this whole story.AlastairMeeks said:How thoughtful of you to make other people's life decisions for them.
Obviously I'm a firm believer in being out. Some other people do not feel the same way. They are entitled to make their own choices on the matter.
If you want to allocate blame for any distress caused by the outing, I'd suggest the lawyers who are using Shahmir Sanni for political ends might be a better target.
Even if you believe otherwise, Stephen Parkinson is not an elected politician and as such could have provided more detail in private to his employer. He did not need to go public at all. He made choices, choices that have had a direct impact on someone else's private life. This is a grave mistake.
Was there a contract ?
Parkinson didn't ask for this - he simply stood up for himself with the truth.
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Not only is it not illegal, it's what every election campaign in history does. *How* they did it might or might not be questionable (I've no idea - I've only seen the headline in the tweet), but it's simply ludicrous to imply that there's anything intrinsically wrong in trying to identify your supporters - or indeed, supporters of your opponents, floating voters or people who won't vote at all.oxfordsimon said:0 -
Yet they still spent less than the losing sidewilliamglenn said:twitter.com/reutersuk/status/978568272298692609?s=21
twitter.com/carolecadwalla/status/978582707310596096?s=21
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It certainly won't have escaped the notice of the public that neither Mr Wylie nor Mr Sanni are British yet they are poking their noses into "our" referendum. And sadly with a significant minority of the population their youth, sexuality, camp manner and pink hair won't help either. This is an own goal for Remain and an unhelpful distraction.Barnesian said:
I agree. I remember the AV campaign got involved in similar process arguments. The public isn't interested, and as you say, it comes across as sour grapes.HHemmelig said:
If you stick your head above the parapet you can't complain when it gets blown off. Twas ever thus. I'm a staunch Remainer but all this complaining about campaign spending comes across to me like sour grapes, likely to backfire with the general public. That the BBC, Guardian etc are giving airtime to this 6th Form common room spat is beyond ridiculous.DavidL said:
I think it is relevant to the context in which the advice was given and why it might have been given. Whether there was any need to make it public is more debatable but nearly all the publicity about it seems to have come from the agents for the whistleblower.0 -
F1: at Bahrain, the next race, Liberty will put forward its plans for the future. Could be rather significant.0
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That is going to excite Messrs Sue Grabbit and Runne.....williamglenn said:
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I know it is shallow of me - but pink hair and a suit does not make for a confidence inspiring look. Hard to establish credibility when you look like that.williamglenn said:0 -
I think it might be covered by parliamentary privilege.MarqueeMark said:0 -
Has JRM got some sort of classification system so we can work out if we're among the 'indigenous communities' of this country, and will it involve a colour chart?
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Don’t you have to be in the chamber and/or an MP?Richard_Nabavi said:
I think it might be covered by parliamentary privilege.MarqueeMark said:0 -
Also covers select committees:RoyalBlue said:
Don’t you have to be in the chamber and/or an MP?Richard_Nabavi said:
I think it might be covered by parliamentary privilege.MarqueeMark said:
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I think witnesses giving evidence to Select Committees are covered. I'm not sure of the exact rules, though.RoyalBlue said:
Don’t you have to be in the chamber and/or an MP?Richard_Nabavi said:
I think it might be covered by parliamentary privilege.MarqueeMark said:0 -
DC seems unphased
" The EC/ICO inquiries will look at the facts, the completely different stories that the whistleblowers tell each time they appear (their credibility is such that I bet their lawyers won’t let them appear as witnesses), the evidence, and the law. By the time the inquiries are over, the Observer will look really silly for making a hero out of a fantasist-charlatan, we’ll already have left the EU, and Zoolander will need a new look…"0 -
Election and referendum rules should be observed, should they not?Barnesian said:
I agree. I remember the AV campaign got involved in similar process arguments. The public isn't interested, and as you say, it comes across as sour grapes.HHemmelig said:
If you stick your head above the parapet you can't complain when it gets blown off. Twas ever thus. I'm a staunch Remainer but all this complaining about campaign spending comes across to me like sour grapes, likely to backfire with the general public. That the BBC, Guardian etc are giving airtime to this 6th Form common room spat is beyond ridiculous.DavidL said:
I think it is relevant to the context in which the advice was given and why it might have been given. Whether there was any need to make it public is more debatable but nearly all the publicity about it seems to have come from the agents for the whistleblower.
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People here would be well advised to be VERY careful how they phrase any repeating of that allegation.RobD said:
Also covers select committees:RoyalBlue said:
Don’t you have to be in the chamber and/or an MP?Richard_Nabavi said:
I think it might be covered by parliamentary privilege.MarqueeMark said:
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I think I've made the comparison three or four times...!TGOHF said:https://twitter.com/SunPolitics/status/978584949749174272
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Aw, did I miss some juicy evidence?MarqueeMark said:
People here would be well advised to be VERY careful how they phrase any repeating of that allegation.RobD said:
Also covers select committees:RoyalBlue said:
Don’t you have to be in the chamber and/or an MP?Richard_Nabavi said:
I think it might be covered by parliamentary privilege.MarqueeMark said:
http://www.parliament.uk/documents/commons-committees/witnessguide.pdf
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I saw something on a news feed saying that he's been going on about the "mysterious" death of someone in a Kenyan hotel room?williamglenn said:
Has all this stuff been whipped up by a crank?0 -
Yep. Hard to be taken seriously when you look like a young Dame Edna. Mr Izzard should also heed your excellent advice.oxfordsimon said:
I know it is shallow of me - but pink hair and a suit does not make for a confidence inspiring look. Hard to establish credibility when you look like that.williamglenn said:0 -
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I’ve got no problem with a referendum on the deal, if the government decides to ask he people if we should accept the deal on the table or leave to WTO terms instead. I can’t imagine they would want to though.williamglenn said:
"How on earth have we come to such an extraordinary and definitive reading of the mind of the British people? That not merely do we insist that they have insisted that we leave whatever the facts we now discover or the terms our Government can negotiate, but that – even more extraordinary – the same British people would resent deeply being given an opportunity to pass judgement on these terms once they know them? "Sandpit said:The only people who care about the story are the stop-Brexit crowd who think it’s a reason to abandon democracy.
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They can't repeat their accusation out the Select Committee, though.Richard_Nabavi said:
I think witnesses giving evidence to Select Committees are covered. I'm not sure of the exact rules, though.RoyalBlue said:
Don’t you have to be in the chamber and/or an MP?Richard_Nabavi said:
I think it might be covered by parliamentary privilege.MarqueeMark said:
Which, er, Twitter probably is??0 -
Out and proud!RoyalBlue said:
Oh God yes.williamglenn said:Are all PB Brexiteers ‘out’?
https://twitter.com/spectator/status/905804102768226305?s=21
We’re here, we’re Brexiteer...
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Form the Guardian live blog:
Simon Hart, a Conservative, goes next.
Q: Have you made any assessment as to whether this over-spending would have affected the result?
It was clearly ineffective. Remain lost.
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F1: really interesting video from Karun Chandhok looking at Hamilton and Raikkonen's qualifying laps. In short, the Ferrari's faster on the straights, contrary to popular opinion. Mercedes has the edge in the corners.
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In such a referendum, what do you think would be the likelihood of WTO winning?Sandpit said:
I’ve got no problem with a referendum on the deal, if the government decides to ask he people if we should accept the deal on the table or leave to WTO terms instead. I can’t imagine they would want to though.williamglenn said:
"How on earth have we come to such an extraordinary and definitive reading of the mind of the British people? That not merely do we insist that they have insisted that we leave whatever the facts we now discover or the terms our Government can negotiate, but that – even more extraordinary – the same British people would resent deeply being given an opportunity to pass judgement on these terms once they know them? "Sandpit said:The only people who care about the story are the stop-Brexit crowd who think it’s a reason to abandon democracy.
A combination of hard Brexiters and very angry Remainers keen to prove they were right that Brexit was going to be a total disaster might conceivably be able to cobble together 50.1% of the vote.
*shudder*
Remembering also that some people use referendums to kick the government.0 -
That’s clearly code for the Chief Legal Officer in the UK, who’s unlikely to open his mouth in order to insert his foot.FrancisUrquhart said:Facebook founder Mark Zuckerberg has said he will not appear before MPs investigating fake news, but will send one of his senior executives instead.
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Wow. Possibly the least self aware post ever made on PB, and that is saying something. I try to ignore you on Brexit since you've already admitted that while you claim to want leavers to reach out, or acknowledge the things wrong with the leave campaign, it won't be enough for you when they do (thus turning an ostensibly reasonable point into a mere posturing position). I and many others have done so and still you, a very intelligent man, once again pretend no one has, pretend that you are not ignoring things, pretend you are not bitter (newsflash, you can be bitter and still right, it doesn't undermine your arguments to admit your bitterness), pretend that because some have said or done something all have.AlastairMeeks said:
As I suspected, a mad conspiracy theory enabling you to avoid addressing any of the uncomfortable points made.
You can see Brexit shrivel the IQ of otherwise moderately intelligent posters. It’s utterly malign.
As William shows it is possible to be even more fervently against Brexit without being unpleasant, bitter and thoroughly obnoxious. If that cannot be managed, surely hypocrisy can be avoided at least?
So much has happened since the vote I question my choice all the time, and wonder if I would do so again if the opportunity arises, but you act like such a child over this issue. Yes, a child. Wailing. Refusing to acknowledge any pettiness (it's s political forum, don't tell me you alone have never been petty). Refusing to listen, proudly.
You don't have to let it go, or get over it, or even stop railing against those who enabled such a dark force In our society. You do you. But a milligram of self awareness, of acknowledgement of others as they are (rather than your made up 'all leavers' this or that) would be polite at least.
But you clearly derive happiness, superiority, from pretending others are as you wish them to be, from refusing to self analyse even as you demand it of others (and even if they do as you ask), so I know this rant will fall on deaf ears, nay, reinforce your view you are right (again, a childish ' I've upset them, so I'm right' view). Your mind is closed, and you can pretend you are being the open and reasonable one, but I'd take a good bet even those who hate Brexit and those who enabled it would agree otherwise.
Have a great day. Feel as superior in the face of a made up opponent as you like, but they are made up.0 -
Not sure the comparison is quite right - a CLO being a form of General Counsel, both in the US and UK.Sandpit said:
That’s clearly code for the Chief Legal Officer in the UK, who’s unlikely to open his mouth in order to insert his foot.FrancisUrquhart said:Facebook founder Mark Zuckerberg has said he will not appear before MPs investigating fake news, but will send one of his senior executives instead.
http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-43554135
Nevertheless given that facebook's "product" is data, you'd assume that they would have a similar background..0 -
It’s the 2022 plan, which is going to focus on technical regulations and the Concorde agreementwhich covers spending and prize money. The expectation is that the cars will be simpler and more free in design, that there will be limits on spending and that prize money will be distributed more equally to how it is now, with the teams invited to be ‘franchises’ with a stake in the sport.Morris_Dancer said:F1: at Bahrain, the next race, Liberty will put forward its plans for the future. Could be rather significant.
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Yes, and it needs to happen more often.stodge said:
I don't know - can anyone make a serious point about a non-Conservative party without insulting its leader or its members ?TGOHF said:
I have no argument with him putting his points across - but his patronising tone is once again seriously misjudged.
Can nobody on Remain make an argument without belittling the other side ?0 -
Odd coincidence but according to Wiki William Hague's old nanny is now the oldest person alive in the UK: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/William_HagueRobD said:0 -
Mr. Sandpit, have to see how things emerge. Franchises could be a way of diminishing real teams at the expenses of giving more power to the big ones.0
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Absolutely. The only circumstance in which I can see it being used, is if the EU negotiates in bad faith and offers only a “deal” which leaves us as rule takers and financial contributors yet unable to negotiate our own trade deals abroad. In which case the government will invite the electorate to agree that no deal is better than a sh!t deal.HHemmelig said:
In such a referendum, what do you think would be the likelihood of WTO winning?Sandpit said:
I’ve got no problem with a referendum on the deal, if the government decides to ask he people if we should accept the deal on the table or leave to WTO terms instead. I can’t imagine they would want to though.williamglenn said:
"How on earth have we come to such an extraordinary and definitive reading of the mind of the British people? That not merely do we insist that they have insisted that we leave whatever the facts we now discover or the terms our Government can negotiate, but that – even more extraordinary – the same British people would resent deeply being given an opportunity to pass judgement on these terms once they know them? "Sandpit said:The only people who care about the story are the stop-Brexit crowd who think it’s a reason to abandon democracy.
A combination of hard Brexiters and very angry Remainers keen to prove they were right that Brexit was going to be a total disaster might conceivably be able to cobble together 50.1% of the vote.
*shudder*
Remembering also that some people use referendums to kick the government.
Hopefully it won’t come to that!0 -
For those pursuing the lone crank argument:
Wylie: "He stressed that Carole Cadwalladr, the Observer reporter who has published his revelations, has around 12 or 15 other sources too. He is not the only person speaking out, he says."0 -
That one was great. This one has always seemed troubled.FrancisUrquhart said:This sounds like the Hans Solo movie might be as shit as the last Star Wars episode,
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/films/2018/03/27/insider-reveals-new-details-messy-han-solo-shoot-new-blaster/0 -
LOLDavidL said:
Odd coincidence but according to Wiki William Hague's old nanny is now the oldest person alive in the UK: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/William_HagueRobD said:
Hague having had a nanny puts quite a big dent in his supposed Yorkshire working class 14 pints a night backstory. I can't imagine many people in Wath had a nanny.0 -
The advantages of the franchise system is that it would give the teams a real stake in the sport, which has a value to investors. It’s likely to see the smaller teams receive much larger prize money than currently happens, at the expense of the larger teams. Chase Carey is probably about to call Ferrari’s bluff on their threats to quit if they lose their special treatment.Morris_Dancer said:Mr. Sandpit, have to see how things emerge. Franchises could be a way of diminishing real teams at the expenses of giving more power to the big ones.
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I think this may be a misunderstanding he had when he shared a sausage sandwich with her. I'm impressed that Carole has a choice of 12 to (is better than or, I suspect) 15 sauces.rottenborough said:For those pursuing the lone crank argument:
Wylie: "He stressed that Carole Cadwalladr, the Observer reporter who has published his revelations, has around 12 or 15 other sources too. He is not the only person speaking out, he says."
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Sign of no anti-Brexit bias in the BBC ?
The anti Brexit march in Leeds on Saturday seems to have gone completely un-noticed by the beeb ?0 -
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Leeds, what do you expect?Pulpstar said:Sign of no anti-Brexit bias in the BBC ?
The anti Brexit march in Leeds on Saturday seems to have gone completely un-noticed by the beeb ?0 -
Mr. Nabavi, to be fair, there are more BBC reports now from Leeds and Manchester than there used to be.0
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Yup, the BBC is so Pro Brexit it is embarrassing.Pulpstar said:Sign of no anti-Brexit bias in the BBC ?
The anti Brexit march in Leeds on Saturday seems to have gone completely un-noticed by the beeb ?
They have Farage on every other week on Question Time.0 -
It would be a complete mess.Sandpit said:
Absolutely. The only circumstance in which I can see it being used, is if the EU negotiates in bad faith and offers only a “deal” which leaves us as rule takers and financial contributors yet unable to negotiate our own trade deals abroad. In which case the government will invite the electorate to agree that no deal is better than a sh!t deal.HHemmelig said:
In such a referendum, what do you think would be the likelihood of WTO winning?Sandpit said:
I’ve got no problem with a referendum on the deal, if the government decides to ask he people if we should accept the deal on the table or leave to WTO terms instead. I can’t imagine they would want to though.williamglenn said:
"How on earth have we come to such an extraordinary and definitive reading of the mind of the British people? That not merely do we insist that they have insisted that we leave whatever the facts we now discover or the terms our Government can negotiate, but that – even more extraordinary – the same British people would resent deeply being given an opportunity to pass judgement on these terms once they know them? "Sandpit said:The only people who care about the story are the stop-Brexit crowd who think it’s a reason to abandon democracy.
A combination of hard Brexiters and very angry Remainers keen to prove they were right that Brexit was going to be a total disaster might conceivably be able to cobble together 50.1% of the vote.
*shudder*
Remembering also that some people use referendums to kick the government.
Hopefully it won’t come to that!
Offer a remain/leave vote, and people who support The Deal but not No Deal have to guess at what they'll end up with.
Offer The Deal or No Deal and remainers have the option of spite. If The Deal is a decent deal, then that's fine - but if not, all sorts of trouble.
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I suspect that what you say will find support with most of us, but certainly not AM. I'm sure AM will continue posting in the same vein and power to his elbow. For me, it brings back fond memories of Saturday morning pictures (for those old enough to remember them), watching the serial villain make his appearance, with appropriate musical accompaniment, and joining in the communal hissing and booing of the watching audience. Reading AM's posts is a joy, so long as you remember to hiss and boo.kle4 said:
Wow. Possibly the least self aware post ever made on PB, and that is saying something. I try to ignore you on Brexit since you've already admitted that while you claim to want leavers to reach out, or acknowledge the things wrong with the leave campaign, it won't be enough for you when they do (thus turning an ostensibly reasonable point into a mere posturing position). I and many others have done so and still you, a very intelligent man, once again pretend no one has, pretend that you are not ignoring things, pretend you are not bitter (newsflash, you can be bitter and still right, it doesn't undermine your arguments to admit your bitterness), pretend that because some have said or done something all have.AlastairMeeks said:
You can see Brexit shrivel the IQ of otherwise moderately intelligent posters. It’s utterly malign.
As William shows it is possible to be even more fervently against Brexit without being unpleasant, bitter and thoroughly obnoxious. If that cannot be managed, surely hypocrisy can be avoided at least?
So much has happened since the vote I question my choice all the time, and wonder if I would do so again if the opportunity arises, but you act like such a child over this issue. Yes, a child. Wailing. Refusing to acknowledge any pettiness (it's s political forum, don't tell me you alone have never been petty). Refusing to listen, proudly.
You don't have to let it go, or get over it, or even stop railing against those who enabled such a dark force In our society. You do you. But a milligram of self awareness, of acknowledgement of others as they are (rather than your made up 'all leavers' this or that) would be polite at least.
But you clearly derive happiness, superiority, from pretending others are as you wish them to be, from refusing to self analyse even as you demand it of others (and even if they do as you ask), so I know this rant will fall on deaf ears, nay, reinforce your view you are right (again, a childish ' I've upset them, so I'm right' view). Your mind is closed, and you can pretend you are being the open and reasonable one, but I'd take a good bet even those who hate Brexit and those who enabled it would agree otherwise.
Have a great day. Feel as superior in the face of a made up opponent as you like, but they are made up.0 -
Workers from the original EU member states are paid 12% more than comparable British workers but workers from the new accession countries are paid 27% less a new report finds, emphasising the impact of failing to impose transition controls on free movement from the new accession countries in 2004
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They owned it for about 170 years (1780 ish to 1959 ish). Ukraine owned it for 60 years.RoyalBlue said:Russia’s claim to Crimea on grounds of history, language, nationality and self-determination was very strong. There was no good reason to resort to military action, but Putin needed something to pep up his ratings.
Does that make Russia’s claim 3 tines as strong as Ukraine’s?
The Giray’s owned Crimea for 550 years. Does that make tge R claim 3 times as strong as Russia’s?
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I think it more likely she has 12 or 15 saucers, to go with her 12 or 15 cups....philiph said:
I think this may be a misunderstanding he had when he shared a sausage sandwich with her. I'm impressed that Carole has a choice of 12 to (is better than or, I suspect) 15 sauces.rottenborough said:For those pursuing the lone crank argument:
Wylie: "He stressed that Carole Cadwalladr, the Observer reporter who has published his revelations, has around 12 or 15 other sources too. He is not the only person speaking out, he says."0 -
It’s central to his defence that he gave advice to the whistleblower (I forget his name) in a personal capacity rather than on behalf of VoteLeave.AlastairMeeks said:Off topic, it is astounding that Stephen Parkinson has not been sacked. Publicly outing someone in response to whistleblowing is particularly aggressive victimisation.
I suppose it’s of a piece with the operation that Theresa May supervised before the election with Nick Timothy and Fiona Hill. It speaks very badly of Theresa May herself though.
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Reading what Parkinson actually said, it is not clear to me that he intended to out Sanni at all, much less used it to victimise him.Charles said:
It’s central to his defence that he gave advice to the whistleblower (I forget his name) in a personal capacity rather than on behalf of VoteLeave.AlastairMeeks said:Off topic, it is astounding that Stephen Parkinson has not been sacked. Publicly outing someone in response to whistleblowing is particularly aggressive victimisation.
I suppose it’s of a piece with the operation that Theresa May supervised before the election with Nick Timothy and Fiona Hill. It speaks very badly of Theresa May herself though.
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Thankfully, what’s come out of the actual negotiations (as opposed to all the media posturing nonsense) has been very good so far, and hopefully this will continue to be the case.TheWhiteRabbit said:
It would be a complete mess.Sandpit said:
Absolutely. The only circumstance in which I can see it being used, is if the EU negotiates in bad faith and offers only a “deal” which leaves us as rule takers and financial contributors yet unable to negotiate our own trade deals abroad. In which case the government will invite the electorate to agree that no deal is better than a sh!t deal.HHemmelig said:
In such a referendum, what do you think would be the likelihood of WTO winning?Sandpit said:
I’ve got no problem with a referendum on the deal, if the government decides to ask he people if we should accept the deal on the table or leave to WTO terms instead. I can’t imagine they would want to though.williamglenn said:
"How on earth have we come to such an extraordinary and definitive reading of the mind of the British people? That not merely do we insist that they have insisted that we leave whatever the facts we now discover or the terms our Government can negotiate, but that – even more extraordinary – the same British people would resent deeply being given an opportunity to pass judgement on these terms once they know them? "Sandpit said:The only people who care about the story are the stop-Brexit crowd who think it’s a reason to abandon democracy.
A combination of hard Brexiters and very angry Remainers keen to prove they were right that Brexit was going to be a total disaster might conceivably be able to cobble together 50.1% of the vote.
*shudder*
Remembering also that some people use referendums to kick the government.
Hopefully it won’t come to that!
Offer a remain/leave vote, and people who support The Deal but not No Deal have to guess at what they'll end up with.
Offer The Deal or No Deal and remainers have the option of spite. If The Deal is a decent deal, then that's fine - but if not, all sorts of trouble.
We should be willing to consider a no-deal scenario as a negotiating tactic though, and prepare for this outcome even if we hope not to need it.0 -
As a well brought up lass, I'm sure Carole has the saucers to go with the cups. However, having seen her on Sunday still with her motorbike leathers on, I do now, on reflection, wonder. At least they made her take her helmet off.MarqueeMark said:
I think it more likely she has 12 or 15 saucers, to go with her 12 or 15 cups....philiph said:
I think this may be a misunderstanding he had when he shared a sausage sandwich with her. I'm impressed that Carole has a choice of 12 to (is better than or, I suspect) 15 sauces.rottenborough said:For those pursuing the lone crank argument:
Wylie: "He stressed that Carole Cadwalladr, the Observer reporter who has published his revelations, has around 12 or 15 other sources too. He is not the only person speaking out, he says."0 -
Putin sees Russia and Ukraine as the same thing and that annexing Crimea just ensures it is “in strong hands”. He does not recognise Ukrainian sovereignty as a meaningful concept.Charles said:
They owned it for about 170 years (1780 ish to 1959 ish). Ukraine owned it for 60 years.RoyalBlue said:Russia’s claim to Crimea on grounds of history, language, nationality and self-determination was very strong. There was no good reason to resort to military action, but Putin needed something to pep up his ratings.
Does that make Russia’s claim 3 tines as strong as Ukraine’s?
The Giray’s owned Crimea for 550 years. Does that make tge R claim 3 times as strong as Russia’s?0 -
The Neanderthals have a much stronger claim to all the territory of the EU....Charles said:
They owned it for about 170 years (1780 ish to 1959 ish). Ukraine owned it for 60 years.RoyalBlue said:Russia’s claim to Crimea on grounds of history, language, nationality and self-determination was very strong. There was no good reason to resort to military action, but Putin needed something to pep up his ratings.
Does that make Russia’s claim 3 tines as strong as Ukraine’s?
The Giray’s owned Crimea for 550 years. Does that make tge R claim 3 times as strong as Russia’s?
Although they are still back of the queue to an amoeba called Gerald.0 -
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-leeds-43527517TheScreamingEagles said:
Yup, the BBC is so Pro Brexit it is embarrassing.Pulpstar said:Sign of no anti-Brexit bias in the BBC ?
The anti Brexit march in Leeds on Saturday seems to have gone completely un-noticed by the beeb ?
They have Farage on every other week on Question Time.
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You learn something new every day here. I hadn't realised that amoebas were so posh.MarqueeMark said:
The Neanderthals have a much stronger claim to all the territory of the EU....Charles said:
They owned it for about 170 years (1780 ish to 1959 ish). Ukraine owned it for 60 years.RoyalBlue said:Russia’s claim to Crimea on grounds of history, language, nationality and self-determination was very strong. There was no good reason to resort to military action, but Putin needed something to pep up his ratings.
Does that make Russia’s claim 3 tines as strong as Ukraine’s?
The Giray’s owned Crimea for 550 years. Does that make tge R claim 3 times as strong as Russia’s?
Although they are still back of the queue to an amoeba called Gerald.0 -
Did you know electrons have mass? I didn't even know they were Catholic.ReggieCide said:
You learn something new every day here. I hadn't realised that amoebas were so posh.MarqueeMark said:
The Neanderthals have a much stronger claim to all the territory of the EU....Charles said:
They owned it for about 170 years (1780 ish to 1959 ish). Ukraine owned it for 60 years.RoyalBlue said:Russia’s claim to Crimea on grounds of history, language, nationality and self-determination was very strong. There was no good reason to resort to military action, but Putin needed something to pep up his ratings.
Does that make Russia’s claim 3 tines as strong as Ukraine’s?
The Giray’s owned Crimea for 550 years. Does that make tge R claim 3 times as strong as Russia’s?
Although they are still back of the queue to an amoeba called Gerald.0 -
Alastair has my support. I dare say that his failure to attract the support of PB's pitchfork army of bumpkins, curtain twitchers, xenophobes and fruit cakes won't cause him too many sleepless nights.ReggieCide said:
I suspect that what you say will find support with most of us, but certainly not AM. I'm sure AM will continue posting in the same vein and power to his elbow. For me, it brings back fond memories of Saturday morning pictures (for those old enough to remember them), watching the serial villain make his appearance, with appropriate musical accompaniment, and joining in the communal hissing and booing of the watching audience. Reading AM's posts is a joy, so long as you remember to hiss and boo.kle4 said:
snipAlastairMeeks said:
You can see Brexit shrivel the IQ of otherwise moderately intelligent posters. It’s utterly malign.0 -
Not much coverage on here of GO's Evening Standard editorial - strange.
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Interested to find out if I qualify as one of the natives.Theuniondivvie said:Has JRM got some sort of classification system so we can work out if we're among the 'indigenous communities' of this country, and will it involve a colour chart?
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Provided you can prove your ancestors fought with Boudica against the incoming Romans you should be OK!Anazina said:
Interested to find out if I qualify as one of the natives.Theuniondivvie said:Has JRM got some sort of classification system so we can work out if we're among the 'indigenous communities' of this country, and will it involve a colour chart?
https://twitter.com/MichaelPDeacon/status/9785831063399587840 -
This one?TGOHF said:Not much coverage on here of GO's Evening Standard editorial - strange.
https://www.standard.co.uk/comment/comment/evening-standard-comment-revealed-the-stealth-takeover-of-labour-a3800156.html
It is a party within a party more dangerous to Labour’s future than the Militant Tendency, which Neil Kinnock beat in the 1980s, because, unlike Militant, it has captured the party’s leadership and machinery.
How much longer will moderate social democrats and socialists who have been loyal to Labour, tolerate this?
They are surely nearing a decision point.
Either they allow the total takeover of their party by people who do not share their values. Or they must try to retake it. Or they find the courage to start a new force.</>0 -
Putin doesn't see Russia and Ukraine as indivisible parts of a larger whole. He takes the archetypal Russian nationalist view that it is part of Yekaterina Velikaya's Novorossiya. A completely subordinate vassal state that serves as a buffer against the enemy. The Ottomans then and the West now.williamglenn said:
Putin sees Russia and Ukraine as the same thing and that annexing Crimea just ensures it is “in strong hands”. He does not recognise Ukrainian sovereignty as a meaningful concept.Charles said:
They owned it for about 170 years (1780 ish to 1959 ish). Ukraine owned it for 60 years.RoyalBlue said:Russia’s claim to Crimea on grounds of history, language, nationality and self-determination was very strong. There was no good reason to resort to military action, but Putin needed something to pep up his ratings.
Does that make Russia’s claim 3 tines as strong as Ukraine’s?
The Giray’s owned Crimea for 550 years. Does that make tge R claim 3 times as strong as Russia’s?0 -
If Carole Cadwalladr does have multiple sources why did she choose to use the least credible one as the face of them? Why was the second source someone who could easily be dismissed as someone lashing out at a former lover?
If she really has uncovered a massive conspiracy (that was concocted and executed in the most inept way possible if it did occur) why is she risking the credibility of her claims by highlighting questionable sources and including claims that manifestly are not true eg. The idea that Leave.eu and Vote Leave were ever collaborating.
Some of this stuff is undoubtedly true, campaigners (or anyone working within a regulatory environment) will always seek to stretch the rules and may sometimes stray over the line. But the way this story has evolved makes it look more like someone throwing s*** at a wall and hoping something sticks.
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Given my recent Middle Eastern ancestry, I am pretty sure I don't. If I moved to America or Canada I don't think I would be classed as indigenous there either, as most Americans/Canadians are not.Anazina said:
Interested to find out if I qualify as one of the natives.Theuniondivvie said:Has JRM got some sort of classification system so we can work out if we're among the 'indigenous communities' of this country, and will it involve a colour chart?
https://twitter.com/MichaelPDeacon/status/9785831063399587840 -
"Mark Zuckerberg snubs MPs over Cambridge Analytica row
Mark Zuckerberg has declined to meet MPs on the digital, culture, media and sport committee and has offered to send a deputy in his place as the row over Facebook’s role in political campaigns intensifies."
https://www.thetimes.co.uk/edition/news/mark-zuckerberg-snubs-mps-over-cambridge-analytica-row-pjsjfrfqv0 -
Cobyn on the two mistakes made by the USSR...
If there are two areas where I think grave mistakes were made by the Soviet Union, it was the inability of the system to recognise the importance of the national question and the way in which the Communist Party of the Soviet Union became an extremely elitist body.
We have to organise together in this country but also internationally.
https://libcom.org/history/i-am-concerned-break-soviet-union-leadership-it-gave-jeremy-corbyns-words-wisdom-stalini0 -
You can't blame him. He is a more important person than any MP.AndyJS said:"Mark Zuckerberg snubs MPs over Cambridge Analytica row
Mark Zuckerberg has declined to meet MPs on the digital, culture, media and sport committee and has offered to send a deputy in his place as the row over Facebook’s role in political campaigns intensifies."
https://www.thetimes.co.uk/edition/news/mark-zuckerberg-snubs-mps-over-cambridge-analytica-row-pjsjfrfqv0 -
It's the wrong decision by Zuckerberg. Terrible public relations decision.Dura_Ace said:
You can't blame him. He is a more important person than any MP.AndyJS said:"Mark Zuckerberg snubs MPs over Cambridge Analytica row
Mark Zuckerberg has declined to meet MPs on the digital, culture, media and sport committee and has offered to send a deputy in his place as the row over Facebook’s role in political campaigns intensifies."
https://www.thetimes.co.uk/edition/news/mark-zuckerberg-snubs-mps-over-cambridge-analytica-row-pjsjfrfqv0 -
LOL! But not all of the millions of people that were murdered?williamglenn said:Cobyn on the two mistakes made by the USSR...
If there are two areas where I think grave mistakes were made by the Soviet Union, it was the inability of the system to recognise the importance of the national question and the way in which the Communist Party of the Soviet Union became an extremely elitist body.
We have to organise together in this country but also internationally.
https://libcom.org/history/i-am-concerned-break-soviet-union-leadership-it-gave-jeremy-corbyns-words-wisdom-stalini 0 -
Facebook has 2 billion active users. He doesn't give the slightest fuck what a load of befuddled and/or pissed politicians from a marginally relevant country on the other side of the Atlantic think.AndyJS said:
It's the wrong decision by Zuckerberg. Terrible public relations decision.Dura_Ace said:
You can't blame him. He is a more important person than any MP.AndyJS said:"Mark Zuckerberg snubs MPs over Cambridge Analytica row
Mark Zuckerberg has declined to meet MPs on the digital, culture, media and sport committee and has offered to send a deputy in his place as the row over Facebook’s role in political campaigns intensifies."
https://www.thetimes.co.uk/edition/news/mark-zuckerberg-snubs-mps-over-cambridge-analytica-row-pjsjfrfqv0 -
The world is a much more mobile place now, but in recentish history it wasn't - and if we're taking most Americans not to be indigenous then that puts the bar at something like 150 years, so perhaps the nationality of 4th great grandparents is one's *indigenaity* - which is completely different to nationality. That puts me at 94% British and ~ 6% Flemish.Elliot said:
Given my recent Middle Eastern ancestry, I am pretty sure I don't. If I moved to America or Canada I don't think I would be classed as indigenous there either, as most Americans/Canadians are not.Anazina said:
Interested to find out if I qualify as one of the natives.Theuniondivvie said:Has JRM got some sort of classification system so we can work out if we're among the 'indigenous communities' of this country, and will it involve a colour chart?
https://twitter.com/MichaelPDeacon/status/978583106339958784
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The first argument that just might have swung my vote.williamglenn said:0 -
He was also quite likely to put his foot in his mouth by failing to understand the nuances of UK and EU law, as distinct from US law. Terrible PR, but if I were advising him I’d have made the same decision.AndyJS said:
It's the wrong decision by Zuckerberg. Terrible public relations decision.Dura_Ace said:
You can't blame him. He is a more important person than any MP.AndyJS said:"Mark Zuckerberg snubs MPs over Cambridge Analytica row
Mark Zuckerberg has declined to meet MPs on the digital, culture, media and sport committee and has offered to send a deputy in his place as the row over Facebook’s role in political campaigns intensifies."
https://www.thetimes.co.uk/edition/news/mark-zuckerberg-snubs-mps-over-cambridge-analytica-row-pjsjfrfqv
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The only indigenous people in North America are Native American IndiansPulpstar said:
The world is a much more mobile place now, but in recentish history it wasn't - and if we're taking most Americans not to be indigenous then that puts the bar at something like 150 years, so perhaps the nationality of 4th great grandparents is one's *indigenaity* - which is completely different to nationality. That puts me at 94% British and ~ 6% Flemish.Elliot said:
Given my recent Middle Eastern ancestry, I am pretty sure I don't. If I moved to America or Canada I don't think I would be classed as indigenous there either, as most Americans/Canadians are not.Anazina said:
Interested to find out if I qualify as one of the natives.Theuniondivvie said:Has JRM got some sort of classification system so we can work out if we're among the 'indigenous communities' of this country, and will it involve a colour chart?
https://twitter.com/MichaelPDeacon/status/9785831063399587840 -
If he does the same to Congress as well though he will be in troubleDura_Ace said:
Facebook has 2 billion active users. He doesn't give the slightest fuck what a load of befuddled and/or pissed politicians from a marginally relevant country on the other side of the Atlantic think.AndyJS said:
It's the wrong decision by Zuckerberg. Terrible public relations decision.Dura_Ace said:
You can't blame him. He is a more important person than any MP.AndyJS said:"Mark Zuckerberg snubs MPs over Cambridge Analytica row
Mark Zuckerberg has declined to meet MPs on the digital, culture, media and sport committee and has offered to send a deputy in his place as the row over Facebook’s role in political campaigns intensifies."
https://www.thetimes.co.uk/edition/news/mark-zuckerberg-snubs-mps-over-cambridge-analytica-row-pjsjfrfqv0 -
Well, exactly.TheScreamingEagles said:
Yup, the BBC is so Pro Brexit it is embarrassing.Pulpstar said:Sign of no anti-Brexit bias in the BBC ?
The anti Brexit march in Leeds on Saturday seems to have gone completely un-noticed by the beeb ?
They have Farage on every other week on Question Time.0 -
The same Farage that has been on twice in the 21 months since the referendum.TheScreamingEagles said:
Yup, the BBC is so Pro Brexit it is embarrassing.Pulpstar said:Sign of no anti-Brexit bias in the BBC ?
The anti Brexit march in Leeds on Saturday seems to have gone completely un-noticed by the beeb ?
They have Farage on every other week on Question Time.0 -
New profile pic for himkle4 said:
Wow. Possibly the least self aware post ever made on PB, and that is saying something. I try to ignore you on Brexit since you've already admitted that while you claim to want leavers to reach out, or acknowledge the things wrong with the leave campaign, it won't be enough for you when they do (thus turning an ostensibly reasonable point into a mere posturing position). I and many others have done so and still you, a very intelligent man, once again pretend no one has, pretend that you are not ignoring things, pretend you are not bitter (newsflash, you can be bitter and still right, it doesn't undermine your arguments to admit your bitterness), pretend that because some have said or done something all have.AlastairMeeks said:
As I suspected, a mad conspiracy theory enabling you to avoid addressing any of the uncomfortable points made.
You can see Brexit shrivel the IQ of otherwise moderately intelligent posters. It’s utterly malign.
As William shows it is possible to be even more fervently against Brexit without being unpleasant, bitter and thoroughly obnoxious. If that cannot be managed, surely hypocrisy can be avoided at least?
So much has happened since the vote I question my choice all the time, and wonder if I would do so again if the opportunity arises, but you act like such a child over this issue. Yes, a child. Wailing. Refusing to acknowledge any pettiness (it's s political forum, don't tell me you alone have never been petty). Refusing to listen, proudly.
You don't have to let it go, or get over it, or even stop railing against those who enabled such a dark force In our society. You do you. But a milligram of self awareness, of acknowledgement of others as they are (rather than your made up 'all leavers' this or that) would be polite at least.
But you clearly derive happiness, superiority, from pretending others are as you wish them to be, from refusing to self analyse even as you demand it of others (and even if they do as you ask), so I know this rant will fall on deaf ears, nay, reinforce your view you are right (again, a childish ' I've upset them, so I'm right' view). Your mind is closed, and you can pretend you are being the open and reasonable one, but I'd take a good bet even those who hate Brexit and those who enabled it would agree otherwise.
Have a great day. Feel as superior in the face of a made up opponent as you like, but they are made up.
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Tricky to track every ancestor back over 500 years though, if a generation is 25.5 years then that yields just over a million great (*18) grandparents.HYUFD said:
The only indigenous people in North America are Native American IndiansPulpstar said:
The world is a much more mobile place now, but in recentish history it wasn't - and if we're taking most Americans not to be indigenous then that puts the bar at something like 150 years, so perhaps the nationality of 4th great grandparents is one's *indigenaity* - which is completely different to nationality. That puts me at 94% British and ~ 6% Flemish.Elliot said:
Given my recent Middle Eastern ancestry, I am pretty sure I don't. If I moved to America or Canada I don't think I would be classed as indigenous there either, as most Americans/Canadians are not.Anazina said:
Interested to find out if I qualify as one of the natives.Theuniondivvie said:Has JRM got some sort of classification system so we can work out if we're among the 'indigenous communities' of this country, and will it involve a colour chart?
https://twitter.com/MichaelPDeacon/status/9785831063399587840 -
I agree. One that will be made worse if his deputy can't give any answer because he'd have to refer it upwards.AndyJS said:
It's the wrong decision by Zuckerberg. Terrible public relations decision.Dura_Ace said:
You can't blame him. He is a more important person than any MP.AndyJS said:"Mark Zuckerberg snubs MPs over Cambridge Analytica row
Mark Zuckerberg has declined to meet MPs on the digital, culture, media and sport committee and has offered to send a deputy in his place as the row over Facebook’s role in political campaigns intensifies."
https://www.thetimes.co.uk/edition/news/mark-zuckerberg-snubs-mps-over-cambridge-analytica-row-pjsjfrfqv
For all that, Facebook will suffer more if it doesn't address its growing reputation among youth for being 'for old people'.0 -
So 30-50m murdered in gulags wasn't really one of the main problems then? It's a view, I suppose.williamglenn said:Cobyn on the two mistakes made by the USSR...
If there are two areas where I think grave mistakes were made by the Soviet Union, it was the inability of the system to recognise the importance of the national question and the way in which the Communist Party of the Soviet Union became an extremely elitist body.
We have to organise together in this country but also internationally.
https://libcom.org/history/i-am-concerned-break-soviet-union-leadership-it-gave-jeremy-corbyns-words-wisdom-stalini0 -
Despite clear Remain leanings in the referendum campaign the BBC has now accepted the voters voted to Leave unlike some we could mention!Brom said:
The same Farage that has been on twice in the 21 months since the referendum.TheScreamingEagles said:
Yup, the BBC is so Pro Brexit it is embarrassing.Pulpstar said:Sign of no anti-Brexit bias in the BBC ?
The anti Brexit march in Leeds on Saturday seems to have gone completely un-noticed by the beeb ?
They have Farage on every other week on Question Time.0 -
It probably doesn't actually. You'd almost certainly find the same people repeatedly in your tree if you go that far back.Pulpstar said:
Tricky to track every ancestor back over 500 years though, if a generation is 25.5 years then that yields just over a million great (*18) grandparents.HYUFD said:
The only indigenous people in North America are Native American IndiansPulpstar said:
The world is a much more mobile place now, but in recentish history it wasn't - and if we're taking most Americans not to be indigenous then that puts the bar at something like 150 years, so perhaps the nationality of 4th great grandparents is one's *indigenaity* - which is completely different to nationality. That puts me at 94% British and ~ 6% Flemish.Elliot said:
Given my recent Middle Eastern ancestry, I am pretty sure I don't. If I moved to America or Canada I don't think I would be classed as indigenous there either, as most Americans/Canadians are not.Anazina said:
Interested to find out if I qualify as one of the natives.Theuniondivvie said:Has JRM got some sort of classification system so we can work out if we're among the 'indigenous communities' of this country, and will it involve a colour chart?
https://twitter.com/MichaelPDeacon/status/9785831063399587840 -
Certainly you would need to trace back your ancestry at least 500 years in a country to be even considered indigenous to it as opposed to a citizen of it but in the UK you really need to be able to prove majority Celtic ancestry to be considered an indiginenous BritonPulpstar said:
Tricky to track every ancestor back over 500 years though, if a generation is 25.5 years then that yields just over a million great (*18) grandparents.HYUFD said:
The only indigenous people in North America are Native American IndiansPulpstar said:
The world is a much more mobile place now, but in recentish history it wasn't - and if we're taking most Americans not to be indigenous then that puts the bar at something like 150 years, so perhaps the nationality of 4th great grandparents is one's *indigenaity* - which is completely different to nationality. That puts me at 94% British and ~ 6% Flemish.Elliot said:
Given my recent Middle Eastern ancestry, I am pretty sure I don't. If I moved to America or Canada I don't think I would be classed as indigenous there either, as most Americans/Canadians are not.Anazina said:
Interested to find out if I qualify as one of the natives.Theuniondivvie said:Has JRM got some sort of classification system so we can work out if we're among the 'indigenous communities' of this country, and will it involve a colour chart?
https://twitter.com/MichaelPDeacon/status/9785831063399587840 -
The current fashion seems to be for photos with ridiculous looking dog ears, angel halos, stars and big eyes.david_herdson said:
I agree. One that will be made worse if his deputy can't give any answer because he'd have to refer it upwards.AndyJS said:
It's the wrong decision by Zuckerberg. Terrible public relations decision.Dura_Ace said:
You can't blame him. He is a more important person than any MP.AndyJS said:"Mark Zuckerberg snubs MPs over Cambridge Analytica row
Mark Zuckerberg has declined to meet MPs on the digital, culture, media and sport committee and has offered to send a deputy in his place as the row over Facebook’s role in political campaigns intensifies."
https://www.thetimes.co.uk/edition/news/mark-zuckerberg-snubs-mps-over-cambridge-analytica-row-pjsjfrfqv
For all that, Facebook will suffer more if it doesn't address its growing reputation among youth for being 'for old people'.
Snapchat seems to be the flavour of the month with anyone under about 25 tbh.0
