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You mean when we caved on £100 £39 billion?RobD said:
That's obviously not the case. As with the deal agreed a few months ago.Gardenwalker said:
You must have very low expectations.RobD said:
I suppose the UK's concessions aren't all that bad if that is the case, and are temporary in nature. They even managed to wrangle Gibraltar into the deal!TheWhiteRabbit said:
Rob, don't buy the Europhile spin.RobD said:
How is that acceptable? Having zero say about what goes on in the UK's own waters?Gardenwalker said:
Doesn’t sound terribly acceptable.AlastairMeeks said:
The EU is going to find the time to set the quotas:Casino_Royale said:
Only for an extra nine months. Fishing is back with the UK in full in 2020. Just not enough time to get all the new quotas agreed by 29th March 2019.TheScreamingEagles said:Confirmation Michael Gove has betrayed the fishing industry.
https://twitter.com/thistlejohn/status/975705487403560960
https://twitter.com/JasonGroves1/status/975705889889030146
All we have done is sign up to a full-vassal transition.
Taxation without representation.
Quotas will be kept the same, or at least very similar, for the transition period. The UK will have to wait for "control". Sure, it will sign that away again, or at least some of it, for UK vessels' access to EU waters.
The U.K. has caved on every front. Every single one.0 -
Actually, that's a perfectly fair response by Sturgeon. She is simply pointing out that the promises made to Scottish fishermen by the Leave campaign turned out to be lies. Granted, that should come as little surprise to anyone even vaguely familiar with brexiteer dishonesty, but her point is fair enough as it goes.Richard_Nabavi said:As ever, Nicola Sturgeon can be relied upon to come up with a response which is so curmudgeonly as to be deliciously bonkers:
https://twitter.com/NicolaSturgeon/status/975716209395150848
So, to be clear Nicola, a 21 month transition period where we accept EU rules is a massive sellout of the Scottish fishing industry by the Tories, but your policy of wanting a permanent acceptance of EU rules wouldn't be a massive sellout of the Scottish fishing industry by the SNP?0 -
It’s very strong language.TheScreamingEagles said:
If we don't come up with a solution to the Irish Border question then Northern Ireland effectively remains part of the EU.Casino_Royale said:UK conceded on EU citizens getting full residence status during the transition, independent fisheries takes effect from 2020, not 30th March 2019, and there's a backstop on NI, as described in the annexes.
EU conceded on trade deals during transition, Gibraltar being part of transition, and a joint committee to oversee the transition arrangement, which in practice means the UK and EU agreeing on disputes or having to both agree to refer to the ECJ for it to rule.
The NI piece looks most significant to me, which I'm yet to full digest.
"The territory of Northern Ireland, excluding the territorial waters of the United Kingdom (the "territory of Northern Ireland"), shall be considered to be part of the customs territory of the Union."
Thankfully, no British PM is going to sign that off. Oh, hold on...0 -
Weird that the first peep of "Not hard enough Brexit" is not from Arlene or Jacob - but from Remainer Ruth !0
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HYUFD said:
No as May also made clear in December the UK as a whole would have sufficient regulatory alignment as a backstop if the Irish issue was still to be resolved post transition but we would still have Brexitedwilliamglenn said:
It means you can have Brexit or the union but not both.Casino_Royale said:The NI piece looks most significant to me, which I'm yet to full digest.
To summarise: we are in the EU for all intents and purposes (barring actually having a vote or a say) until 2021, and we could remain so for very much longer. That a committed neobrexiteer like yourself is happy with such a settlement at least bodes well for a soft brexit.0 -
Huffpo take here.TheScreamingEagles said:
Cheers.AlastairMeeks said:
https://twitter.com/GuardianAnushka/status/975726249183244288TheScreamingEagles said:
Do you have a link to that please?AlastairMeeks said:Six departures from Labour HQ today. Looks like a major changing of the guard there.
Others more knowledgeable than me can comment on the significance.0 -
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Today is the day we realise that Brexiters don’t want more democracy, they want less.
So we can add that to the bonfire of Brexit promises.0 -
What do you call 'the end'? 2021, 2022, 2040, 2059? Perhaps the best strategy for everyone involved is to run the transition until 2099, so business can fully prepare. We will leave the EU, but not yet.RobD said:
If they get it in the end, I can’t see it being a huge issue.Alistair said:
They were promised full and total control of British waters immediately as a consequence of voting to Leave. They haven't got that.Richard_Nabavi said:As ever, Nicola Sturgeon can be relied upon to come up with a response which is so curmudgeonly as to be deliciously bonkers:
https://twitter.com/NicolaSturgeon/status/975716209395150848
So, to be clear Nicola, a 21 month transition period where we accept EU rules is a massive sellout of the Scottish fishing industry by the Tories, but your policy of wanting a permanent acceptance of EU rules wouldn't be a massive sellout of the Scottish fishing industry by the SNP?0 -
In until 2021 out by a 2022 general election to avoid a UKIP revival is fine by meAnazina said:HYUFD said:
No as May also made clear in December the UK as a whole would have sufficient regulatory alignment as a backstop if the Irish issue was still to be resolved post transition but we would still have Brexitedwilliamglenn said:
It means you can have Brexit or the union but not both.Casino_Royale said:The NI piece looks most significant to me, which I'm yet to full digest.
To summarise: we are in the EU for all intents and purposes (barring actually having a vote or a say) until 2021, and we could remain so for very much longer. That a committed neobrexiteer like yourself is happy with such a settlement at least bodes well for a soft brexit.0 -
December 2020, as agreed by both the UK and EU.Anazina said:
What do you call 'the end'? 2021, 2022, 2040, 2059? Perhaps the best strategy for everyone involved is to run the transition until 2099, so business can fully prepare. We will leave the EU, but not yet.RobD said:
If they get it in the end, I can’t see it being a huge issue.Alistair said:
They were promised full and total control of British waters immediately as a consequence of voting to Leave. They haven't got that.Richard_Nabavi said:As ever, Nicola Sturgeon can be relied upon to come up with a response which is so curmudgeonly as to be deliciously bonkers:
https://twitter.com/NicolaSturgeon/status/975716209395150848
So, to be clear Nicola, a 21 month transition period where we accept EU rules is a massive sellout of the Scottish fishing industry by the Tories, but your policy of wanting a permanent acceptance of EU rules wouldn't be a massive sellout of the Scottish fishing industry by the SNP?0 -
Leaves a lot of time for things to change. Nearly three years away...RobD said:
December 2020, as agreed by both the UK and EU.Anazina said:
What do you call 'the end'? 2021, 2022, 2040, 2059? Perhaps the best strategy for everyone involved is to run the transition until 2099, so business can fully prepare. We will leave the EU, but not yet.RobD said:
If they get it in the end, I can’t see it being a huge issue.Alistair said:
They were promised full and total control of British waters immediately as a consequence of voting to Leave. They haven't got that.Richard_Nabavi said:As ever, Nicola Sturgeon can be relied upon to come up with a response which is so curmudgeonly as to be deliciously bonkers:
https://twitter.com/NicolaSturgeon/status/975716209395150848
So, to be clear Nicola, a 21 month transition period where we accept EU rules is a massive sellout of the Scottish fishing industry by the Tories, but your policy of wanting a permanent acceptance of EU rules wouldn't be a massive sellout of the Scottish fishing industry by the SNP?0 -
Can’t get excited about leaving the CFP just 9 months later than previously expected..
Not optimal but better than staying in.0 -
Yeah, plenty of time to finalise the future trading relationship with the EU.Anazina said:
Leaves a lot of time for things to change. Nearly three years away...RobD said:
December 2020, as agreed by both the UK and EU.Anazina said:
What do you call 'the end'? 2021, 2022, 2040, 2059? Perhaps the best strategy for everyone involved is to run the transition until 2099, so business can fully prepare. We will leave the EU, but not yet.RobD said:
If they get it in the end, I can’t see it being a huge issue.Alistair said:
They were promised full and total control of British waters immediately as a consequence of voting to Leave. They haven't got that.Richard_Nabavi said:As ever, Nicola Sturgeon can be relied upon to come up with a response which is so curmudgeonly as to be deliciously bonkers:
https://twitter.com/NicolaSturgeon/status/975716209395150848
So, to be clear Nicola, a 21 month transition period where we accept EU rules is a massive sellout of the Scottish fishing industry by the Tories, but your policy of wanting a permanent acceptance of EU rules wouldn't be a massive sellout of the Scottish fishing industry by the SNP?0 -
The sort of positions you'd need if you were launching a new party, perchance?AlastairMeeks said:Six departures from Labour HQ today. Looks like a major changing of the guard there.
Others more knowledgeable than me can comment on the significance.0 -
Betfair market on UK to leave the EU by the 29/03/2019 has flipped. Yes is now 1.67.
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What a silly load of nonsense.Gardenwalker said:Today is the day we realise that Brexiters don’t want more democracy, they want less.
So we can add that to the bonfire of Brexit promises.0 -
How’d you come to that conclusion?Gardenwalker said:Today is the day we realise that Brexiters don’t want more democracy, they want less.
So we can add that to the bonfire of Brexit promises.0 -
Yes I saw this. Dan Hodges says they are showing up the lack of cojones among the MPs.AlastairMeeks said:Six departures from Labour HQ today. Looks like a major changing of the guard there.
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If they aren’t going to do it whilst languishing in the polls, they aren’t going to do it now.Mortimer said:
The sort of positions you'd need if you were launching a new party, perchance?AlastairMeeks said:Six departures from Labour HQ today. Looks like a major changing of the guard there.
Others more knowledgeable than me can comment on the significance.0 -
What else do you call taxation without representation?kle4 said:
What a silly load of nonsense.Gardenwalker said:Today is the day we realise that Brexiters don’t want more democracy, they want less.
So we can add that to the bonfire of Brexit promises.0 -
So, is the SNP policy is that there shouldn't have been a 21-month transition deal at all, or that we should remain in the EU for ever? They're kinda opposites, are they not?Alistair said:
They were promised full and total control of British waters immediately as a consequence of voting to Leave. They haven't got that.Richard_Nabavi said:As ever, Nicola Sturgeon can be relied upon to come up with a response which is so curmudgeonly as to be deliciously bonkers:
https://twitter.com/NicolaSturgeon/status/975716209395150848
So, to be clear Nicola, a 21 month transition period where we accept EU rules is a massive sellout of the Scottish fishing industry by the Tories, but your policy of wanting a permanent acceptance of EU rules wouldn't be a massive sellout of the Scottish fishing industry by the SNP?
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The EU......Gardenwalker said:
What else do you call taxation without representation?kle4 said:
What a silly load of nonsense.Gardenwalker said:Today is the day we realise that Brexiters don’t want more democracy, they want less.
So we can add that to the bonfire of Brexit promises.0 -
TaIshmael_Z said:
Huffpo take here.TheScreamingEagles said:
Cheers.AlastairMeeks said:
https://twitter.com/GuardianAnushka/status/975726249183244288TheScreamingEagles said:
Do you have a link to that please?AlastairMeeks said:Six departures from Labour HQ today. Looks like a major changing of the guard there.
Others more knowledgeable than me can comment on the significance.0 -
Yes, the SNP position is to remain in. It's not exactly a secret.Richard_Nabavi said:
So, is the SNP policy is that there shouldn't have been a 21-month transition deal at all, or that we should remain in the EU for ever? They're kinda opposites, are they not?Alistair said:
They were promised full and total control of British waters immediately as a consequence of voting to Leave. They haven't got that.Richard_Nabavi said:As ever, Nicola Sturgeon can be relied upon to come up with a response which is so curmudgeonly as to be deliciously bonkers:
https://twitter.com/NicolaSturgeon/status/975716209395150848
So, to be clear Nicola, a 21 month transition period where we accept EU rules is a massive sellout of the Scottish fishing industry by the Tories, but your policy of wanting a permanent acceptance of EU rules wouldn't be a massive sellout of the Scottish fishing industry by the SNP?0 -
"Over the long term, today's agreement makes clear that, from 2020, the UK will be an independent coastal state, deciding who can access our waters and on what terms".
Today's agreement says nothing at all about after 2020. Until 2020 the UK will do what the EU tells it, with a possibility of making a comment about it. There will no doubt be a haggle for the post 2020 period, most likely leading to a situation that is a bit worse than membership.
In general, I would say the EU has the orderly exit it wants and on its terms. It has fudged Ireland a bit. The UK gets the status quo extension it needs. A Win/Win, beyond Brexit being a stupid and damaging thing to do.TheScreamingEagles said:0 -
Oh don't be silly. The deal will (or won't) be signed off by parliament, which is your representation. In terms of an executive action, it's no different a spending commitment than signing a PFI deal or contracting HS2.Gardenwalker said:
What else do you call taxation without representation?kle4 said:
What a silly load of nonsense.Gardenwalker said:Today is the day we realise that Brexiters don’t want more democracy, they want less.
So we can add that to the bonfire of Brexit promises.0 -
So she wants to sell out the Scottish fishing industry permanently, and is criticising the Tories for selling them out for a 21-month period. I'm glad we've got that clear.Alistair said:
Yes, the SNP position is to remain in. It's not exactly a secret.Richard_Nabavi said:
So, is the SNP policy is that there shouldn't have been a 21-month transition deal at all, or that we should remain in the EU for ever? They're kinda opposites, are they not?Alistair said:
They were promised full and total control of British waters immediately as a consequence of voting to Leave. They haven't got that.Richard_Nabavi said:As ever, Nicola Sturgeon can be relied upon to come up with a response which is so curmudgeonly as to be deliciously bonkers:
https://twitter.com/NicolaSturgeon/status/975716209395150848
So, to be clear Nicola, a 21 month transition period where we accept EU rules is a massive sellout of the Scottish fishing industry by the Tories, but your policy of wanting a permanent acceptance of EU rules wouldn't be a massive sellout of the Scottish fishing industry by the SNP?0 -
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That's a big jump.Barnesian said:Betfair market on UK to leave the EU by the 29/03/2019 has flipped. Yes is now 1.67.
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Parliament is sovereign, after alldavid_herdson said:
Oh don't be silly. The deal will (or won't) be signed off by parliament, which is your representation. In terms of an executive action, it's no different a spending commitment than signing a PFI deal or contracting HS2.Gardenwalker said:
What else do you call taxation without representation?kle4 said:
What a silly load of nonsense.Gardenwalker said:Today is the day we realise that Brexiters don’t want more democracy, they want less.
So we can add that to the bonfire of Brexit promises.
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Only a week ago Gove was saying we'd leave the CFP in 2019. He built his leadership campaign in 2016 on leaving the CFP.Alistair said:
They were promised full and total control of British waters immediately as a consequence of voting to Leave. They haven't got that.Richard_Nabavi said:As ever, Nicola Sturgeon can be relied upon to come up with a response which is so curmudgeonly as to be deliciously bonkers:
https://twitter.com/NicolaSturgeon/status/975716209395150848
So, to be clear Nicola, a 21 month transition period where we accept EU rules is a massive sellout of the Scottish fishing industry by the Tories, but your policy of wanting a permanent acceptance of EU rules wouldn't be a massive sellout of the Scottish fishing industry by the SNP?
https://twitter.com/michaelgove/status/7492051981790330880 -
You want the fish or not?Alistair said:
Yes, the SNP position is to remain in. It's not exactly a secret.Richard_Nabavi said:
So, is the SNP policy is that there shouldn't have been a 21-month transition deal at all, or that we should remain in the EU for ever? They're kinda opposites, are they not?Alistair said:
They were promised full and total control of British waters immediately as a consequence of voting to Leave. They haven't got that.Richard_Nabavi said:As ever, Nicola Sturgeon can be relied upon to come up with a response which is so curmudgeonly as to be deliciously bonkers:
https://twitter.com/NicolaSturgeon/status/975716209395150848
So, to be clear Nicola, a 21 month transition period where we accept EU rules is a massive sellout of the Scottish fishing industry by the Tories, but your policy of wanting a permanent acceptance of EU rules wouldn't be a massive sellout of the Scottish fishing industry by the SNP?
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Oh dear. The Maybot has been plugged in.CarlottaVance said:
The EU......Gardenwalker said:
What else do you call taxation without representation?kle4 said:
What a silly load of nonsense.Gardenwalker said:Today is the day we realise that Brexiters don’t want more democracy, they want less.
So we can add that to the bonfire of Brexit promises.0 -
And the UK will be out of it after a short transition.williamglenn said:
Only a week ago Gove was saying we'd leave the CFP in 2019. He built his leadership campaign in 2016 on leaving the CFP.Alistair said:
They were promised full and total control of British waters immediately as a consequence of voting to Leave. They haven't got that.Richard_Nabavi said:As ever, Nicola Sturgeon can be relied upon to come up with a response which is so curmudgeonly as to be deliciously bonkers:
https://twitter.com/NicolaSturgeon/status/975716209395150848
So, to be clear Nicola, a 21 month transition period where we accept EU rules is a massive sellout of the Scottish fishing industry by the Tories, but your policy of wanting a permanent acceptance of EU rules wouldn't be a massive sellout of the Scottish fishing industry by the SNP?
https://twitter.com/michaelgove/status/7492051981790330880 -
Or signing up to Maastricht.david_herdson said:
Oh don't be silly. The deal will (or won't) be signed off by parliament, which is your representation. In terms of an executive action, it's no different a spending commitment than signing a PFI deal or contracting HS2.Gardenwalker said:
What else do you call taxation without representation?kle4 said:
What a silly load of nonsense.Gardenwalker said:Today is the day we realise that Brexiters don’t want more democracy, they want less.
So we can add that to the bonfire of Brexit promises.0 -
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I see you're having a bad day....predictions of doom once again not turning out to be the case....Gardenwalker said:
Oh dear. The Maybot has been plugged in.CarlottaVance said:
The EU......Gardenwalker said:
What else do you call taxation without representation?kle4 said:
What a silly load of nonsense.Gardenwalker said:Today is the day we realise that Brexiters don’t want more democracy, they want less.
So we can add that to the bonfire of Brexit promises.
https://twitter.com/GoodwinMJ/status/9757203627291443200 -
"Only a week ago"williamglenn said:
Only a week ago Gove was saying we'd leave the CFP in 2019. He built his leadership campaign in 2016 on leaving the CFP.Alistair said:
They were promised full and total control of British waters immediately as a consequence of voting to Leave. They haven't got that.Richard_Nabavi said:As ever, Nicola Sturgeon can be relied upon to come up with a response which is so curmudgeonly as to be deliciously bonkers:
https://twitter.com/NicolaSturgeon/status/975716209395150848
So, to be clear Nicola, a 21 month transition period where we accept EU rules is a massive sellout of the Scottish fishing industry by the Tories, but your policy of wanting a permanent acceptance of EU rules wouldn't be a massive sellout of the Scottish fishing industry by the SNP?
https://twitter.com/michaelgove/status/749205198179033088
Tweet from July 2016.....
Flailing, much?0 -
Easy to capture awkward looking stills from a video. The two seem to get on quite well, from what I have seen.Anorak said:0 -
It was odd to see a road sign for Maastricht a couple of years back - never associated it with being a real place, simply the name of the well known European deal.TOPPING said:
Or signing up to Maastricht.david_herdson said:
Oh don't be silly. The deal will (or won't) be signed off by parliament, which is your representation. In terms of an executive action, it's no different a spending commitment than signing a PFI deal or contracting HS2.Gardenwalker said:
What else do you call taxation without representation?kle4 said:
What a silly load of nonsense.Gardenwalker said:Today is the day we realise that Brexiters don’t want more democracy, they want less.
So we can add that to the bonfire of Brexit promises.0 -
The other was posted in the thread.CarlottaVance said:
"Only a week ago"williamglenn said:
Only a week ago Gove was saying we'd leave the CFP in 2019. He built his leadership campaign in 2016 on leaving the CFP.Alistair said:
They were promised full and total control of British waters immediately as a consequence of voting to Leave. They haven't got that.Richard_Nabavi said:As ever, Nicola Sturgeon can be relied upon to come up with a response which is so curmudgeonly as to be deliciously bonkers:
https://twitter.com/NicolaSturgeon/status/975716209395150848
So, to be clear Nicola, a 21 month transition period where we accept EU rules is a massive sellout of the Scottish fishing industry by the Tories, but your policy of wanting a permanent acceptance of EU rules wouldn't be a massive sellout of the Scottish fishing industry by the SNP?
https://twitter.com/michaelgove/status/749205198179033088
Tweet from July 2016.....
Flailing, much?
https://twitter.com/kathsamsonitv/status/9757306593387397130 -
Funny...its the Remainers who seem most upset about fish...RobD said:
And the UK will be out of it after a short transition.williamglenn said:
Only a week ago Gove was saying we'd leave the CFP in 2019. He built his leadership campaign in 2016 on leaving the CFP.Alistair said:
They were promised full and total control of British waters immediately as a consequence of voting to Leave. They haven't got that.Richard_Nabavi said:As ever, Nicola Sturgeon can be relied upon to come up with a response which is so curmudgeonly as to be deliciously bonkers:
https://twitter.com/NicolaSturgeon/status/975716209395150848
So, to be clear Nicola, a 21 month transition period where we accept EU rules is a massive sellout of the Scottish fishing industry by the Tories, but your policy of wanting a permanent acceptance of EU rules wouldn't be a massive sellout of the Scottish fishing industry by the SNP?
https://twitter.com/michaelgove/status/7492051981790330880 -
I suggest no-one believes the "transition" will be complete by 2020, who knows what they are talking about.RobD said:
December 2020, as agreed by both the UK and EU.Anazina said:
What do you call 'the end'? 2021, 2022, 2040, 2059? Perhaps the best strategy for everyone involved is to run the transition until 2099, so business can fully prepare. We will leave the EU, but not yet.RobD said:
If they get it in the end, I can’t see it being a huge issue.Alistair said:
They were promised full and total control of British waters immediately as a consequence of voting to Leave. They haven't got that.Richard_Nabavi said:As ever, Nicola Sturgeon can be relied upon to come up with a response which is so curmudgeonly as to be deliciously bonkers:
https://twitter.com/NicolaSturgeon/status/975716209395150848
So, to be clear Nicola, a 21 month transition period where we accept EU rules is a massive sellout of the Scottish fishing industry by the Tories, but your policy of wanting a permanent acceptance of EU rules wouldn't be a massive sellout of the Scottish fishing industry by the SNP?0 -
Perhaps we could do the same in reverse and name a new town Brexit?Pulpstar said:
It was odd to see a road sign for Maastricht a couple of years back - never associated it with being a real place, simply the name of the well known European deal.TOPPING said:
Or signing up to Maastricht.david_herdson said:
Oh don't be silly. The deal will (or won't) be signed off by parliament, which is your representation. In terms of an executive action, it's no different a spending commitment than signing a PFI deal or contracting HS2.Gardenwalker said:
What else do you call taxation without representation?kle4 said:
What a silly load of nonsense.Gardenwalker said:Today is the day we realise that Brexiters don’t want more democracy, they want less.
So we can add that to the bonfire of Brexit promises.0 -
Nothing has changed! Nothing has changed!Alistair said:0 -
No doubt some areas will take longer to unwind than others.FF43 said:
I suggest no-one believes the "transition" will be complete by 2020, who knows what they are talking about.RobD said:
December 2020, as agreed by both the UK and EU.Anazina said:
What do you call 'the end'? 2021, 2022, 2040, 2059? Perhaps the best strategy for everyone involved is to run the transition until 2099, so business can fully prepare. We will leave the EU, but not yet.RobD said:
If they get it in the end, I can’t see it being a huge issue.Alistair said:
They were promised full and total control of British waters immediately as a consequence of voting to Leave. They haven't got that.Richard_Nabavi said:As ever, Nicola Sturgeon can be relied upon to come up with a response which is so curmudgeonly as to be deliciously bonkers:
https://twitter.com/NicolaSturgeon/status/975716209395150848
So, to be clear Nicola, a 21 month transition period where we accept EU rules is a massive sellout of the Scottish fishing industry by the Tories, but your policy of wanting a permanent acceptance of EU rules wouldn't be a massive sellout of the Scottish fishing industry by the SNP?0 -
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Nah, the Scottish Fisherpeople and their collective are rather upset.CarlottaVance said:
Funny...its the Remainers who seem most upset about fish...RobD said:
And the UK will be out of it after a short transition.williamglenn said:
Only a week ago Gove was saying we'd leave the CFP in 2019. He built his leadership campaign in 2016 on leaving the CFP.Alistair said:
They were promised full and total control of British waters immediately as a consequence of voting to Leave. They haven't got that.Richard_Nabavi said:As ever, Nicola Sturgeon can be relied upon to come up with a response which is so curmudgeonly as to be deliciously bonkers:
https://twitter.com/NicolaSturgeon/status/975716209395150848
So, to be clear Nicola, a 21 month transition period where we accept EU rules is a massive sellout of the Scottish fishing industry by the Tories, but your policy of wanting a permanent acceptance of EU rules wouldn't be a massive sellout of the Scottish fishing industry by the SNP?
https://twitter.com/michaelgove/status/749205198179033088
This is the greatest act of betrayal since Darth Vader threw Emperor Palpatine down the reactor shaft on the second Death Star.0 -
You did see the press release from last week right?CarlottaVance said:
"Only a week ago"williamglenn said:
Only a week ago Gove was saying we'd leave the CFP in 2019. He built his leadership campaign in 2016 on leaving the CFP.Alistair said:
They were promised full and total control of British waters immediately as a consequence of voting to Leave. They haven't got that.Richard_Nabavi said:As ever, Nicola Sturgeon can be relied upon to come up with a response which is so curmudgeonly as to be deliciously bonkers:
https://twitter.com/NicolaSturgeon/status/975716209395150848
So, to be clear Nicola, a 21 month transition period where we accept EU rules is a massive sellout of the Scottish fishing industry by the Tories, but your policy of wanting a permanent acceptance of EU rules wouldn't be a massive sellout of the Scottish fishing industry by the SNP?
https://twitter.com/michaelgove/status/749205198179033088
Tweet from July 2016.....
Flailing, much?0 -
How can the UK negotiate a UK trade deal if part of the UK is in the EU's customs territory?CarlottaVance said:Guess which George lead with.....
https://twitter.com/nick_gutteridge/status/9757416368430489610 -
Of course that particular experiment with truth started badly for Govey.williamglenn said:
Only a week ago Gove was saying we'd leave the CFP in 2019. He built his leadership campaign in 2016 on leaving the CFP.Alistair said:
They were promised full and total control of British waters immediately as a consequence of voting to Leave. They haven't got that.Richard_Nabavi said:As ever, Nicola Sturgeon can be relied upon to come up with a response which is so curmudgeonly as to be deliciously bonkers:
https://twitter.com/NicolaSturgeon/status/975716209395150848
So, to be clear Nicola, a 21 month transition period where we accept EU rules is a massive sellout of the Scottish fishing industry by the Tories, but your policy of wanting a permanent acceptance of EU rules wouldn't be a massive sellout of the Scottish fishing industry by the SNP?
https://twitter.com/michaelgove/status/749205198179033088
'Michael Gove's father denies his company was destroyed by EU policies'
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2016/jun/15/michael-gove-father-company-eu-policies-fish-processing-aberdeen0 -
HMG has conceded on everything....CarlottaVance said:Guess which George lead with.....
https://twitter.com/nick_gutteridge/status/9757416368430489610 -
SNP too busy eulogising sex predators
https://twitter.com/petergrantmp/status/975681344712921088?s=210 -
Except I never predicted “doom” on transition.CarlottaVance said:
I see you're having a bad day....predictions of doom once again not turning out to be the case....Gardenwalker said:
Oh dear. The Maybot has been plugged in.CarlottaVance said:
The EU......Gardenwalker said:
What else do you call taxation without representation?kle4 said:
What a silly load of nonsense.Gardenwalker said:Today is the day we realise that Brexiters don’t want more democracy, they want less.
So we can add that to the bonfire of Brexit promises.
https://twitter.com/GoodwinMJ/status/975720362729144320
Indeed, I predicted exactly what we’ve ended up with.
You do like your straw men.0 -
Does Nicola want the EU to have the fish, or not?Alistair said:
You did see the press release from last week right?CarlottaVance said:
"Only a week ago"williamglenn said:
Only a week ago Gove was saying we'd leave the CFP in 2019. He built his leadership campaign in 2016 on leaving the CFP.Alistair said:
They were promised full and total control of British waters immediately as a consequence of voting to Leave. They haven't got that.Richard_Nabavi said:As ever, Nicola Sturgeon can be relied upon to come up with a response which is so curmudgeonly as to be deliciously bonkers:
https://twitter.com/NicolaSturgeon/status/975716209395150848
So, to be clear Nicola, a 21 month transition period where we accept EU rules is a massive sellout of the Scottish fishing industry by the Tories, but your policy of wanting a permanent acceptance of EU rules wouldn't be a massive sellout of the Scottish fishing industry by the SNP?
https://twitter.com/michaelgove/status/749205198179033088
Tweet from July 2016.....
Flailing, much?
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You know the referendum was mostly about immigration/free movement not trade deals.CarlottaVance said:Guess which George lead with.....
https://twitter.com/nick_gutteridge/status/975741636843048961
George Osborne is focussing on what motivated the plebs.0 -
Look, a squirrel.CarlottaVance said:
Does Nicola want the EU to have the fish, or not?Alistair said:
You did see the press release from last week right?CarlottaVance said:
"Only a week ago"williamglenn said:
Only a week ago Gove was saying we'd leave the CFP in 2019. He built his leadership campaign in 2016 on leaving the CFP.Alistair said:
They were promised full and total control of British waters immediately as a consequence of voting to Leave. They haven't got that.Richard_Nabavi said:As ever, Nicola Sturgeon can be relied upon to come up with a response which is so curmudgeonly as to be deliciously bonkers:
https://twitter.com/NicolaSturgeon/status/975716209395150848
So, to be clear Nicola, a 21 month transition period where we accept EU rules is a massive sellout of the Scottish fishing industry by the Tories, but your policy of wanting a permanent acceptance of EU rules wouldn't be a massive sellout of the Scottish fishing industry by the SNP?
https://twitter.com/michaelgove/status/749205198179033088
Tweet from July 2016.....
Flailing, much?0 -
https://twitter.com/Open_Britain/status/975739025645502464
I am confused, is the criticism of the government by the continuity Remainers that it has been too inflexible, or not inflexible enough?0 -
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The government is trying to implement a policy against the national interest, and therefore cannot win whatever it does. I'm sorry if this pains you.Richard_Nabavi said:I am confused, is the criticism of the government by the continuity Remainers that it has been too inflexible, or not inflexible enough?
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A 'yes' or 'no' will do......then the plan to get Scotland's deficit to 2% should be a giggle....Alistair said:
Look, a squirrel.CarlottaVance said:
Does Nicola want the EU to have the fish, or not?Alistair said:
You did see the press release from last week right?CarlottaVance said:
"Only a week ago"williamglenn said:
Only a week ago Gove was saying we'd leave the CFP in 2019. He built his leadership campaign in 2016 on leaving the CFP.Alistair said:
They were promised full and total control of British waters immediately as a consequence of voting to Leave. They haven't got that.Richard_Nabavi said:As ever, Nicola Sturgeon can be relied upon to come up with a response which is so curmudgeonly as to be deliciously bonkers:
https://twitter.com/NicolaSturgeon/status/975716209395150848
So, to be clear Nicola, a 21 month transition period where we accept EU rules is a massive sellout of the Scottish fishing industry by the Tories, but your policy of wanting a permanent acceptance of EU rules wouldn't be a massive sellout of the Scottish fishing industry by the SNP?
https://twitter.com/michaelgove/status/749205198179033088
Tweet from July 2016.....
Flailing, much?0 -
I was going to say, not very astute of Ruth Davidson to go all-in on an independent fisheries policy that has looked doubtful for a year or more. But as the ScotsCon leader she doesn't have to implement any of this stuff, so she can do the Good Cop bit on Brexit.Pulpstar said:Weird that the first peep of "Not hard enough Brexit" is not from Arlene or Jacob - but from Remainer Ruth !
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Deleted. Reading ability fail.0
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Fair play to all involved in the 'deal' today. Love the green highlight.
But what's caught my interest is 2 Tory MPs - George Freeman on the soft side and John Lamont on the hard side, both threatening to vote against the final deal in parliament. I think this is new. Sounds like there's no way of placating both. Assuming the final deal is a mushy compromise that no-one is enthusiastic about, and that it'll be hard to see why any non Tory-DUP MPs would vote for it, could the Government come up with an ultra-mediocre deal that they can't pass the Commons?0 -
Many of those are open to interpretation. Not paying EU subs is a bit different from paying our pensions liabilities etc. 6 is just wrong, and promise number 7 is weird “there should be a two year transition that is not time limited”? Can’t win on that one.Richard_Nabavi said:twitter.com/Open_Britain/status/975739025645502464
I am confused, is the criticism of the government by the continuity Remainers that it has been too inflexible, or not inflexible enough?0 -
That being the case, it's pretty obvious that the only way forwards will be a second referendum.tpfkar said:Fair play to all involved in the 'deal' today. Love the green highlight.
But what's caught my interest is 2 Tory MPs - George Freeman on the soft side and John Lamont on the hard side, both threatening to vote against the final deal in parliament. I think this is new. Sounds like there's no way of placating both. Assuming the final deal is a mushy compromise that no-one is enthusiastic about, and that it'll be hard to see why any non Tory-DUP MPs would vote for it, could the Government come up with an ultra-mediocre deal that they can't pass the Commons?0 -
Moving away from the substance of the transition deal, I suggest generally this is good for May.
She is seen to be “getting on with the job”, and I’m convinced that the great majority of people do not give toss about Brexit except that it must be carried out.
Any detail - including full FOM! - could be sold as Brexit without too much trouble. And now I’m beginning to think the Brexit-loons in the ERG will go along with it too, having come this far.
We are headed for a hard Brexit - which is to say, out of the single market and customs union, via a bespoke FTA that forces us to mirror the single market and customs union wholesale for the theoretical power to diverge in the future.
A full fettle Brexit.0 -
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It doesn't pain me, I think that they are making a sensible job of implementing a (mistaken) decision by the British people. It just amuses me to see the logical contortions of the government's critics on the Remain side, who seem to get more and more shrill when Mrs May and DD show some flexibility as they've suggested, rather than going the full Rees-Mogg.williamglenn said:
The government is trying to implement a policy against the national interest, and therefore cannot win whatever it does. I'm sorry if this pains you.Richard_Nabavi said:I am confused, is the criticism of the government by the continuity Remainers that it has been too inflexible, or not inflexible enough?
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I'll type slowly for you. The SNP want to stay in. With all that that entails. This is not complicated.CarlottaVance said:
A 'yes' or 'no' will do......then the plan to get Scotland's deficit to 2% should be a giggle....Alistair said:
Look, a squirrel.CarlottaVance said:
Does Nicola want the EU to have the fish, or not?Alistair said:
You did see the press release from last week right?CarlottaVance said:
"Only a week ago"williamglenn said:
Only a week ago Gove was saying we'd leave the CFP in 2019. He built his leadership campaign in 2016 on leaving the CFP.Alistair said:
They were promised full and total control of British waters immediately as a consequence of voting to Leave. They haven't got that.Richard_Nabavi said:As ever, Nicola Sturgeon can be relied upon to come up with a response which is so curmudgeonly as to be deliciously bonkers:
https://twitter.com/NicolaSturgeon/status/975716209395150848
So, to be clear Nicola, a 21 month transition period where we accept EU rules is a massive sellout of the Scottish fishing industry by the Tories, but your policy of wanting a permanent acceptance of EU rules wouldn't be a massive sellout of the Scottish fishing industry by the SNP?
https://twitter.com/michaelgove/status/749205198179033088
Tweet from July 2016.....
Flailing, much?
What is complicated is harvesting the votes of Scotland's fishing communities on the promise of an action that has now categorically not been delivered.0 -
And quite right too.TheScreamingEagles said:Ken's been listening to me.
https://twitter.com/JoeMurphyLondon/status/9757432151512637440 -
He's getting an absolute monstering in the replies to that tweet. "Jimmy Savile made millions for charity!" "Fred West laid a good patio!", etc.TGOHF said:SNP too busy eulogising sex predators
https://twitter.com/petergrantmp/status/975681344712921088?s=210 -
Yep we fell for that one.CarlottaVance said:Guess which George lead with.....
https://twitter.com/nick_gutteridge/status/9757416368430489610 -
Getting to a 2% deficit from 8.3% is 'not complicated'?Alistair said:
I'll type slowly for you. The SNP want to stay in. With all that that entails. This is not complicated.CarlottaVance said:
A 'yes' or 'no' will do......then the plan to get Scotland's deficit to 2% should be a giggle....Alistair said:
Look, a squirrel.CarlottaVance said:
Does Nicola want the EU to have the fish, or not?Alistair said:
You did see the press release from last week right?CarlottaVance said:
"Only a week ago"williamglenn said:
Only a week ago Gove was saying we'd leave the CFP in 2019. He built his leadership campaign in 2016 on leaving the CFP.Alistair said:
They were promised full and total control of British waters immediately as a consequence of voting to Leave. They haven't got that.Richard_Nabavi said:As ever, Nicola Sturgeon can be relied upon to come up with a response which is so curmudgeonly as to be deliciously bonkers:
https://twitter.com/NicolaSturgeon/status/975716209395150848
So, to be clear Nicola, a 21 month transition period where we accept EU rules is a massive sellout of the Scottish fishing industry by the Tories, but your policy of wanting a permanent acceptance of EU rules wouldn't be a massive sellout of the Scottish fishing industry by the SNP?
https://twitter.com/michaelgove/status/749205198179033088
Tweet from July 2016.....
Flailing, much?
It's a view.....
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I didn't miss the chance. I'm on "Yes" at 2.38.tlg86 said:
You missed the chance to do this:Barnesian said:Betfair market on UK to leave the EU by the 29/03/2019 has flipped. Yes is now 1.67.
****** CROSSOVER ALERT ******
EDIT I have a "saver" bet on the Brexit date being 2Q 2019 in case of a few weeks slippage.
Last trade on "Yes" is at 2.02 so though the bet is at 1.67, no trade has been done yet.0 -
https://www.scotsman.com/news/politics/scots-fishing-leaders-reject-sturgeon-s-claims-of-sell-out-1-4441764
Top quality article from 2017.0 -
Very below par for you Nabavi.Richard_Nabavi said:https://twitter.com/Open_Britain/status/975739025645502464
I am confused, is the criticism of the government by the continuity Remainers that it has been too inflexible, or not inflexible enough?
Marks for posting the tweet, though. Explains eloquently the ongoing reverse-ferret since the election.0 -
Look, the squirrel's got a gun.CarlottaVance said:
Getting to a 2% deficit from 8.3% is 'not complicated'?Alistair said:
I'll type slowly for you. The SNP want to stay in. With all that that entails. This is not complicated.CarlottaVance said:
A 'yes' or 'no' will do......then the plan to get Scotland's deficit to 2% should be a giggle....Alistair said:
Look, a squirrel.CarlottaVance said:
Does Nicola want the EU to have the fish, or not?Alistair said:
You did see the press release from last week right?CarlottaVance said:
"Only a week ago"williamglenn said:
Only a week ago Gove was saying we'd leave the CFP in 2019. He built his leadership campaign in 2016 on leaving the CFP.Alistair said:
They were promised full and total control of British waters immediately as a consequence of voting to Leave. They haven't got that.Richard_Nabavi said:As ever, Nicola Sturgeon can be relied upon to come up with a response which is so curmudgeonly as to be deliciously bonkers:
https://twitter.com/NicolaSturgeon/status/975716209395150848
So, to be clear Nicola, a 21 month transition period where we accept EU rules is a massive sellout of the Scottish fishing industry by the Tories, but your policy of wanting a permanent acceptance of EU rules wouldn't be a massive sellout of the Scottish fishing industry by the SNP?
https://twitter.com/michaelgove/status/749205198179033088
Tweet from July 2016.....
Flailing, much?
It's a view.....0 -
The frustration of those who told us with such certainty that there would be no deal, that we were heading for a diamond hard Brexit on WTO terms, that May could not deliver her party for anything else and that the loons were in charge of the asylum dooming us all to whatever calamity was getting their attention at that particular moment is palpable.Richard_Nabavi said:
It doesn't pain me, I think that they are making a sensible job of implementing a (mistaken) decision by the British people. It just amuses me to see the logical contortions of the government's critics on the Remain side, who seem to get more and more shrill when Mrs May and DD show some flexibility as they've suggested, rather than going the full Rees-Mogg.williamglenn said:
The government is trying to implement a policy against the national interest, and therefore cannot win whatever it does. I'm sorry if this pains you.Richard_Nabavi said:I am confused, is the criticism of the government by the continuity Remainers that it has been too inflexible, or not inflexible enough?
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And the Nats have no answer.....plus ca change....Alistair said:
Look, the squirrel's got a gun.CarlottaVance said:
Getting to a 2% deficit from 8.3% is 'not complicated'?Alistair said:
I'll type slowly for you. The SNP want to stay in. With all that that entails. This is not complicated.CarlottaVance said:
A 'yes' or 'no' will do......then the plan to get Scotland's deficit to 2% should be a giggle....Alistair said:
Look, a squirrel.CarlottaVance said:
Does Nicola want the EU to have the fish, or not?Alistair said:
You did see the press release from last week right?CarlottaVance said:
"Only a week ago"williamglenn said:
Only a week ago Gove was saying we'd leave the CFP in 2019. He built his leadership campaign in 2016 on leaving the CFP.Alistair said:
They were promised full and total control of British waters immediately as a consequence of voting to Leave. They haven't got that.Richard_Nabavi said:As ever, Nicola Sturgeon can be relied upon to come up with a response which is so curmudgeonly as to be deliciously bonkers:
https://twitter.com/NicolaSturgeon/status/975716209395150848
So, to be clear Nicola, a 21 month transition period where we accept EU rules is a massive sellout of the Scottish fishing industry by the Tories, but your policy of wanting a permanent acceptance of EU rules wouldn't be a massive sellout of the Scottish fishing industry by the SNP?
https://twitter.com/michaelgove/status/749205198179033088
Tweet from July 2016.....
Flailing, much?
It's a view.....
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What the eff are the Windes up to?0
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An excellent cricketing obituary for the great, just retired Pietersen:
http://www.espncricinfo.com/story/_/id/22818306/the-last-goodbye0 -
The odd thing is that you'd expect the criticism to be coming from the ultra-Brexiteers, but they mostly seem to be taking the sensible line on this. It's a funny old world, to be sure.DavidL said:
The frustration of those who told us with such certainty that there would be no deal, that we were heading for a diamond hard Brexit on WTO terms, that May could not deliver her party for anything else and that the loons were in charge of the asylum dooming us all to whatever calamity was getting their attention at that particular moment is palpable.Richard_Nabavi said:
It doesn't pain me, I think that they are making a sensible job of implementing a (mistaken) decision by the British people. It just amuses me to see the logical contortions of the government's critics on the Remain side, who seem to get more and more shrill when Mrs May and DD show some flexibility as they've suggested, rather than going the full Rees-Mogg.williamglenn said:
The government is trying to implement a policy against the national interest, and therefore cannot win whatever it does. I'm sorry if this pains you.Richard_Nabavi said:I am confused, is the criticism of the government by the continuity Remainers that it has been too inflexible, or not inflexible enough?
Is it too early to hope that the Tories have rediscovered their pragmatism? I hope not.0 -
It's strange.Gardenwalker said:
Very below par for you Nabavi.Richard_Nabavi said:https://twitter.com/Open_Britain/status/975739025645502464
I am confused, is the criticism of the government by the continuity Remainers that it has been too inflexible, or not inflexible enough?
Marks for posting the tweet, though. Explains eloquently the ongoing reverse-ferret since the election.
There are three or four actual broken promises, puffed out with some rubbish.
I do like the assertion that May's statement that "“As of today, these considerations point to an implementation period of around two years.” has been broken by an implementation period of around two years.
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You were right, it was 8 days ago, not last week. How foolish of usCarlottaVance said:
And the Nats have no answer.....plus ca change....Alistair said:
Look, the squirrel's got a gun.CarlottaVance said:
Getting to a 2% deficit from 8.3% is 'not complicated'?Alistair said:
I'll type slowly for you. The SNP want to stay in. With all that that entails. This is not complicated.CarlottaVance said:
A 'yes' or 'no' will do......then the plan to get Scotland's deficit to 2% should be a giggle....Alistair said:
Look, a squirrel.CarlottaVance said:
Does Nicola want the EU to have the fish, or not?Alistair said:
You did see the press release from last week right?CarlottaVance said:
"Only a week ago"williamglenn said:
Only a week ago Gove was saying we'd leave the CFP in 2019. He built his leadership campaign in 2016 on leaving the CFP.Alistair said:
They were promised full and total control of British waters immediately as a consequence of voting to Leave. They haven't got that.Richard_Nabavi said:As ever, Nicola Sturgeon can be relied upon to come up with a response which is so curmudgeonly as to be deliciously bonkers:
https://twitter.com/NicolaSturgeon/status/975716209395150848
So, to be clear Nicola, a 21 month transition period where we accept EU rules is a massive sellout of the Scottish fishing industry by the Tories, but your policy of wanting a permanent acceptance of EU rules wouldn't be a massive sellout of the Scottish fishing industry by the SNP?
https://twitter.com/michaelgove/status/749205198179033088
Tweet from July 2016.....
Flailing, much?
It's a view.....
https://twitter.com/kathsamsonitv/status/9757306593387397130 -
The government’s position was to avoid committing to a specific timeline for transition, hence “about” 2 years.TheWhiteRabbit said:
It's strange.Gardenwalker said:
Very below par for you Nabavi.Richard_Nabavi said:https://twitter.com/Open_Britain/status/975739025645502464
I am confused, is the criticism of the government by the continuity Remainers that it has been too inflexible, or not inflexible enough?
Marks for posting the tweet, though. Explains eloquently the ongoing reverse-ferret since the election.
There are three or four actual broken promises, puffed out with some rubbish.
I do like the assertion that May's statement that "“As of today, these considerations point to an implementation period of around two years.” has been broken by an implementation period of around two years.
We’ve now agreed an end date for transition.
To be fair, not the biggest sin in the book, though of course it commits to another cliff-edge and therefore increases EU leverage - unless we can agree a way of smoothing that - which we will, by signing a full fettle Brexit.0 -
May did say there'd have to be some give and take.
Arlene hasn't piped up yet so far today, the DUP showing admirable restraint perhaps ?0 -
I am very surprised and econcouraged how flexible and realistic the Brexiteers have been. But they are just taking the long view. Once we are out we are out and much of this will gradually wind down as the EU centralises and we find business elsewhere more attractive. What is encouraging is that the EU too now seem committed to finding a deal that has the minimum disruption for both parties. Which is exactly what we want.Richard_Nabavi said:
The odd thing is that you'd expect the criticism to be coming from the ultra-Brexiteers, but they mostly seem to be taking the sensible line on this. It's a funny old world, to be sure.DavidL said:
The frustration of those who told us with such certainty that there would be no deal, that we were heading for a diamond hard Brexit on WTO terms, that May could not deliver her party for anything else and that the loons were in charge of the asylum dooming us all to whatever calamity was getting their attention at that particular moment is palpable.Richard_Nabavi said:
It doesn't pain me, I think that they are making a sensible job of implementing a (mistaken) decision by the British people. It just amuses me to see the logical contortions of the government's critics on the Remain side, who seem to get more and more shrill when Mrs May and DD show some flexibility as they've suggested, rather than going the full Rees-Mogg.williamglenn said:
The government is trying to implement a policy against the national interest, and therefore cannot win whatever it does. I'm sorry if this pains you.Richard_Nabavi said:I am confused, is the criticism of the government by the continuity Remainers that it has been too inflexible, or not inflexible enough?
Is it too early to hope that the Tories have rediscovered their pragmatism? I hope not.0 -
I'm looking for good quality paintings of Vienna circa 1910. Anyone know who I need to look up ?Anorak said:
He's getting an absolute monstering in the replies to that tweet. "Jimmy Savile made millions for charity!" "Fred West laid a good patio!", etc.TGOHF said:SNP too busy eulogising sex predators
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It's not necessarily even video though, agencies will have literally hundreds if not thousands of pictures to chose from for an event like that. Picking a silly one to make a point is neither clever or witty.RobD said:
Easy to capture awkward looking stills from a video. The two seem to get on quite well, from what I have seen.Anorak said:0 -
The ultra-Brexiteers live on shifting sands. They've quietly accepted a situation they were lambasting as vassal statehood only a few weeks ago. Gutless wonders. In a sense I'm not bothered by their capitulation - nay, I even welcome it! - but an apology for the hassle they put the rest of us through for no good reason wouldn't go amiss.Richard_Nabavi said:
The odd thing is that you'd expect the criticism to be coming from the ultra-Brexiteers, but they mostly seem to be taking the sensible line on this. It's a funny old world, to be sure.DavidL said:
The frustration of those who told us with such certainty that there would be no deal, that we were heading for a diamond hard Brexit on WTO terms, that May could not deliver her party for anything else and that the loons were in charge of the asylum dooming us all to whatever calamity was getting their attention at that particular moment is palpable.Richard_Nabavi said:
It doesn't pain me, I think that they are making a sensible job of implementing a (mistaken) decision by the British people. It just amuses me to see the logical contortions of the government's critics on the Remain side, who seem to get more and more shrill when Mrs May and DD show some flexibility as they've suggested, rather than going the full Rees-Mogg.williamglenn said:
The government is trying to implement a policy against the national interest, and therefore cannot win whatever it does. I'm sorry if this pains you.Richard_Nabavi said:I am confused, is the criticism of the government by the continuity Remainers that it has been too inflexible, or not inflexible enough?
Is it too early to hope that the Tories have rediscovered their pragmatism? I hope not.0
