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55 ?Rexel56 said:On pensions... did a quick sum the other day and I will have worked for less than 9% of my life, (assuming living to 83 and working 35 hours between the ages of 22 and 55). Of course, plenty of unpaid overtime was worked but equally many hours were spent in airport lounges and pointless meetings. So, enough value needs to have been created in those 9% of hours to finance the other 91%. Scary. Also, puts into context the prospect that robots reduce the 9% to 5% or 3% or even 0%. It’s not really that much of a change to the status quo.
I'll be working till at least 67 (Health permitting)
You're either fortunate or unfortunate to stop working at 55 but it won't be the norm..0 -
Three polls this week have had both main parties in the low 40s with the Conservatives fractionally ahead of Labour. Allowing for all the demonstrated weaknesses of polling, it seems a fair working assumption that's where matters currently rest.AndyJS said:Have we already had the Ipsos Mori poll? It has exactly the same headline numbers as the ICM poll a few days ago.
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Warren going after Kushner...
https://www.politico.com/f/?id=00000162-0a3c-d21f-abe7-defd9f5e00010 -
I can't imagine not working; I'd waste far too much time on PB!Pulpstar said:
55 ?Rexel56 said:On pensions... did a quick sum the other day and I will have worked for less than 9% of my life, (assuming living to 83 and working 35 hours between the ages of 22 and 55). Of course, plenty of unpaid overtime was worked but equally many hours were spent in airport lounges and pointless meetings. So, enough value needs to have been created in those 9% of hours to finance the other 91%. Scary. Also, puts into context the prospect that robots reduce the 9% to 5% or 3% or even 0%. It’s not really that much of a change to the status quo.
I'll be working till at least 67 (Health permitting)
You're either fortunate or unfortunate to stop working at 55 but it won't be the norm..
More seriously, if you have a job you love, you never work another day in your life.
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Selling a property in the Home Counties and moving to North Yorkshire, as well as being in defined benefit pension schemes, have enabled the retirement at 55. Good luck or canny planning? The point stands, employment generally takes up a surprisingly low proportion of our lives and the impact of robots and AI making it an even lower proportion may not be as radical as some predict. Assuming, of course, the wicked capitalists don’t keep all the robot and AI generated value to themselves.Pulpstar said:
55 ?Rexel56 said:On pensions... did a quick sum the other day and I will have worked for less than 9% of my life, (assuming living to 83 and working 35 hours between the ages of 22 and 55). Of course, plenty of unpaid overtime was worked but equally many hours were spent in airport lounges and pointless meetings. So, enough value needs to have been created in those 9% of hours to finance the other 91%. Scary. Also, puts into context the prospect that robots reduce the 9% to 5% or 3% or even 0%. It’s not really that much of a change to the status quo.
I'll be working till at least 67 (Health permitting)
You're either fortunate or unfortunate to stop working at 55 but it won't be the norm..
Edit for additional point: having ‘retired’ we have discovered that the voluntary sector has an insatiable appetite for the time of relatively young, retired ex-professionals with finance and project management experience!0 -
For the record, I have decided not to offer odds on Biden running for the Democratic nomination.Scott_P said:0 -
The tension between representation at a national level and representation at a local level cannot be solved with either FPTP or PR. Scotland goes some way toward this with their approach, but only the anoraks have a deep understanding of the list system and so I'd say it failed my "straightforward to understand" hurdle (although that is open to argument).Andy_Cooke said:
I wouldn't describe it as "fair" or "unfair" - it's orthogonal to fairness. Fairness is irrelevant to the system.Anorak said:
Nothing would be unfair (I'm not arguing that they would be - I thought you were!).Andy_Cooke said:
So what would be "unfair" over any of the results we've seen or ever projected. If everyone's playing by the same rules under the same Electoral Commission? Albeit we do see that the rules are not necessarily straightforward to understand - which is why we get people complaining about one side getting majorities on less of the vote than the other, or similar vote shares giving widely dissimilar outputs. After all, 63% for a leading party, on exactly the same vote share, can be (depending on geographical distribution of the vote) anything from just slipping under a majority to winning each and every seat available, can't it? What would be "unfair" about any result between these?Anorak said:
Plenty of other systems give what some would define as unfair outcomes - usually the losers, funnily enough. There's a good reason why PR is not used worldwide, and it's not because 'the elite' are opposed to it.
On losers calling things unfair - yeah, anyone can rationalise anything. Including those who win under existing systems - it's startling how often those who win under certain rules can rationalise those rules as being the only right way things can ever be.
*confused*
The tiny number of Opposition seats under those vote shares, and the fact that those who got the second-most vote share would finish behind those who got the third-most vote share are what people are calling unfair.
They have a point, but given the arguments over "fairness" and what it means, it is better to call it "unrepresentative". The Parliament (and especially the Government) would not reflect the preferences of the electorate in anything other than the most gross level (Labour got more votes than the other parties; they get the overwhelming representation in Parliament and exclusively in Government).
That's something that could be debated - but given how unavoidably biased everyone is towards their own outlook, "fair" is something that can't ever be mutually agreed on.
EDIT: agree completely on your comments on 'fairness'. As with beauty, it is largely in the eye of the beholder.0 -
ID needed to attend a Bolton Momentum meeting, but not to vote in an election?
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Rochester result confirms that ukip vote does not automatically switch to the Tories.15% swing from Con-Lab could be just a flash in the pan.However,a few more of these sort of swings could also cause much bowel clenching amongst Tory ranks.
Terrible national polling for the Lib Dems,losing votes to the Tories and down to 6%,means Vince Cable is the politician most at risk from the local election results.Time for Vince to ride out into the sunrise and give Ms Swinson a go.As long as the Tories keep polling over 40%.the pressure is off May.If it goes regularly into the 30s,panic will surely set in.0 -
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You couldn't make it upAndyJS said:ID needed to attend a Bolton Momentum meeting, but not to vote in an election?
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The Tories should have learnt that lesson at the general election where most of the seats they lost was due to Labour picking up a substantial chunk of the UKIP vote.volcanopete said:Rochester result confirms that ukip vote does not automatically switch to the Tories.15% swing from Con-Lab could be just a flash in the pan.However,a few more of these sort of swings could also cause much bowel clenching amongst Tory ranks.
Terrible national polling for the Lib Dems,losing votes to the Tories and down to 6%,means Vince Cable is the politician most at risk from the local election results.Time for Vince to ride out into the sunrise and give Ms Swinson a go.As long as the Tories keep polling over 40%.the pressure is off May.If it goes regularly into the 30s,panic will surely set in.0 -
The netflix documentary on AlphaGo reveals it wasn't quite as perfect as made out. It was prone to going insane.MTimT2 said:
Big Blue lost in the first few iterations too. And John Henry beat early versions of the steam drill in driving spikes for the railroad, or at least so has legend.FrancisUrquhart said:Flippy the burger-flipping robot that started work this week in a California restaurant has been forced to take a break because it was too slow.
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Mrs Bucket will be more concerned about the fact they let white van man in....AndyJS said:0 -
I think it's a spoof?Floater said:
You couldn't make it upAndyJS said:ID needed to attend a Bolton Momentum meeting, but not to vote in an election?
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I first read him during the financial crisisJonathanD said:
Have you ever noticed him to correctly predict anything?rkrkrk said:
He does have an interesting writing style however.
The first article scared the crap out of me
It turned out to be as accurate as much of his following articles
I don't bother reading him anymore
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Former cabinet minister Priti Patel says she has warned Conservative colleagues not to "label me as BME".
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Possibly I'm missing your joke, but it is in fact made up. Its a parody accountFloater said:
You couldn't make it upAndyJS said:ID needed to attend a Bolton Momentum meeting, but not to vote in an election?
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I heard some very pro Theresa May opinions the other day. Rough summary - she's doing a good job considering the mess she was handed. The problem the Tories might have is that if they get rid of her in a way that makes her look hard done by it could backfire on them. I expect that as a good party member she'd want to contrive to avoid that. But there is a risk there nonetheless.rottenborough said:One for OGH, who likes his leadership ratings iirc:
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David Lammy's though about voter ID wasn't....William_H said:
Possibly I'm missing your joke, but it is in fact made up. Its a parody accountFloater said:
You couldn't make it upAndyJS said:ID needed to attend a Bolton Momentum meeting, but not to vote in an election?
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At least according to its own twitter bio!William_H said:
Possibly I'm missing your joke, but it is in fact made up. Its a parody accountFloater said:
You couldn't make it upAndyJS said:ID needed to attend a Bolton Momentum meeting, but not to vote in an election?
https://twitter.com/MomentumBolton/status/971629907313864704
Could be a double bluff though, cunning buggers these reds...0 -
Saw my dog's sister win her group at Crufts today. Which was a nice moment.0
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LikeTGOHF said:
Corbyn is not in Trump's league - he's more like an anti-Semitic Bernie Saunders.glw said:
Corybn is Trump, Momentum are the Red Hats. I don't know that the Corbynista /r/The_Donald is but I'm sure there is one.rottenborough said:
There is no point trying to reason with the cultists. They are lost to reason.Elliot said:
I know Corbynistas who are adamant the DUP are effectively terrorists. When I asked for evidence, they pointed to Arlene Foster meeting with and sharing platforms with paramilitary leaders. I pointed out Corbyn met with the IRA's leaders and shared platforms with Jihadis. They said I was repeating Tory smears that had been debunked. There is no reasoning with these people.FrancisUrquhart said:
The only really interesting bit of that vice news special was how in team twats version of reality every media outlet was biased against them, including the guardian, and by the end even the corbnyista supporting vice journalist had become part of the shit list for daring to ask one or two tough questions.Richard_Nabavi said:
Brillant. Not even a smidgen of a suspicion that there might be a reason for that in the relative quality of the two offerings.rottenborough said:Corbynites preparing the Grand Excuse for GE 2020 already:
https://twitter.com/_BenvdM/status/972135544934338561
How I long for a centre left party that supports democracy and human rights consistently.0 -
That will play well in Salisbury......AndyJS said:0 -
I had forgotten that aspectMarqueeMark said:
That will play well in Salisbury......AndyJS said:0 -
Why do news organisations like the BBC persist in showing vox pop inteviews from North Korea when they must know that people there don't have a choice about what to say?0
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"Never interrupt your opponent while he is toxifying his own brand."AndyJS said:0 -
You were predicting Lab gain Salisbury before this?MarqueeMark said:
That will play well in Salisbury......AndyJS said:
What with it being a marginal with Labour only seventeen thousand votes behind the blue meanies.0 -
For Salisbuery, read anywhere with a military base.....TheScreamingEagles said:
You were predicting Lab gain Salisbury before this?MarqueeMark said:
That will play well in Salisbury......AndyJS said:
What with it being a marginal with Labour only seventeen thousand votes behind the blue meanies.
That image is going to appear on leaflets!0 -
The good news for the Tories regarding the local election by-election results last night is that Rallings and Thrasher decided a number of years ago that they have no significant bearing on general election results. Evidence of this is the fact that the Tories did so well at the local elections in May last year.0
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Corbyn's backstory didn't damage Labour in places like Devonport (Lab gain) and Colchester up 19% pushing the Lib Dems back into third, Labour also up 11% in Hereford & South HerefordshireMarqueeMark said:
For Salisbuery, read anywhere with a military base.....TheScreamingEagles said:
You were predicting Lab gain Salisbury before this?MarqueeMark said:
That will play well in Salisbury......AndyJS said:
What with it being a marginal with Labour only seventeen thousand votes behind the blue meanies.
That image is going to appear on leaflets!0 -
The armed forces are full of pinkos.TheScreamingEagles said:
Corbyn's backstory didn't damage Labour in places like Devonport (Lab gain) and Colchester up 19% pushing the Lib Dems back into third, Labour also up 11% in Hereford & South HerefordshireMarqueeMark said:
For Salisbuery, read anywhere with a military base.....TheScreamingEagles said:
You were predicting Lab gain Salisbury before this?MarqueeMark said:
That will play well in Salisbury......AndyJS said:
What with it being a marginal with Labour only seventeen thousand votes behind the blue meanies.
That image is going to appear on leaflets!
/joke, just to be clear 0 -
I feel like the Corbyn/Labour communism thing has pretty much had all the effect it is going to at this point. Anyone who believes it and/or cares to a certain extent is already on board.TheScreamingEagles said:
Corbyn's backstory didn't damage Labour in places like Devonport (Lab gain) and Colchester up 19% pushing the Lib Dems back into third, Labour also up 11% in Hereford & South HerefordshireMarqueeMark said:
For Salisbuery, read anywhere with a military base.....TheScreamingEagles said:
You were predicting Lab gain Salisbury before this?MarqueeMark said:
That will play well in Salisbury......AndyJS said:
What with it being a marginal with Labour only seventeen thousand votes behind the blue meanies.
That image is going to appear on leaflets!
Edit: It is also the huge disadvantage to Labour changing leader, the media can run a whole new set of stories and attacks to discredit the new leader, whereas much of the media attack is already priced in with Corbyn, could any of them maintain the ratings Corbyn currently is with the media attack on top of any votes lost from changing from Corbyn. I personally don't think so.0 -
I only remember those figures from election night and a friend of mine trying to rationalise those figures, he was expecting big swings to the Tories in those seats.tlg86 said:
The armed forces are full of pinkos.TheScreamingEagles said:
Corbyn's backstory didn't damage Labour in places like Devonport (Lab gain) and Colchester up 19% pushing the Lib Dems back into third, Labour also up 11% in Hereford & South HerefordshireMarqueeMark said:
For Salisbuery, read anywhere with a military base.....TheScreamingEagles said:
You were predicting Lab gain Salisbury before this?MarqueeMark said:
That will play well in Salisbury......AndyJS said:
What with it being a marginal with Labour only seventeen thousand votes behind the blue meanies.
That image is going to appear on leaflets!
/joke, just to be clear
His theory was the armed forces (and their families) after years of being underfunded and being sent on numerous escapades were quite wanting to have a pacifist in Number 10.0 -
That is certainly true, although irrespective of any political impact I do hope that we eventually end up at a point where people do not romanticise truly terrible communist regimes. Sure as a country we've looked the other way with plenty of terrible regimes over the years, and still do, but for some reason the communist ones seem to attract more romantic support.TheJezziah said:
I feel like the Corbyn/Labour communism thing has pretty much had all the effect it is going to at this point. Anyone who believes it and/or cares to a certain extent is already on board.TheScreamingEagles said:
Corbyn's backstory didn't damage Labour in places like Devonport (Lab gain) and Colchester up 19% pushing the Lib Dems back into third, Labour also up 11% in Hereford & South HerefordshireMarqueeMark said:
For Salisbuery, read anywhere with a military base.....TheScreamingEagles said:
You were predicting Lab gain Salisbury before this?MarqueeMark said:
That will play well in Salisbury......AndyJS said:
What with it being a marginal with Labour only seventeen thousand votes behind the blue meanies.
That image is going to appear on leaflets!
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Another one for the list.
Richmond, home of Catterick Garrison, saw Labour's share of the vote increase by 10% as Labour moved from third to second.0 -
Isn't electoral registration generally much lower than average on military bases in any case?TheScreamingEagles said:
I only remember those figures from election night and a friend of mine trying to rationalise those figures, he was expecting big swings to the Tories in those seats.tlg86 said:
The armed forces are full of pinkos.TheScreamingEagles said:
Corbyn's backstory didn't damage Labour in places like Devonport (Lab gain) and Colchester up 19% pushing the Lib Dems back into third, Labour also up 11% in Hereford & South HerefordshireMarqueeMark said:
For Salisbuery, read anywhere with a military base.....TheScreamingEagles said:
You were predicting Lab gain Salisbury before this?MarqueeMark said:
That will play well in Salisbury......AndyJS said:
What with it being a marginal with Labour only seventeen thousand votes behind the blue meanies.
That image is going to appear on leaflets!
/joke, just to be clear
His theory was the armed forces (and their families) after years of being underfunded and being sent on numerous escapades were quite wanting to have a pacifist in Number 10.0 -
My Dad was in the armed forces and was intending to vote Labour when it was around election time. He wasn't wild about Corbyn but he wasn't a Corbyn hater either.0
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If it is any consolation, the message behind it is not* Stalin was good but a lot more complex than that.kle4 said:
That is certainly true, although irrespective of any political impact I do hope that we eventually end up at a point where people do not romanticise truly terrible communist regimes. Sure as a country we've looked the other way with plenty of terrible regimes over the years, and still do, but for some reason the communist ones seem to attract more romantic support.TheJezziah said:
I feel like the Corbyn/Labour communism thing has pretty much had all the effect it is going to at this point. Anyone who believes it and/or cares to a certain extent is already on board.TheScreamingEagles said:
Corbyn's backstory didn't damage Labour in places like Devonport (Lab gain) and Colchester up 19% pushing the Lib Dems back into third, Labour also up 11% in Hereford & South HerefordshireMarqueeMark said:
For Salisbuery, read anywhere with a military base.....TheScreamingEagles said:
You were predicting Lab gain Salisbury before this?MarqueeMark said:
That will play well in Salisbury......AndyJS said:
What with it being a marginal with Labour only seventeen thousand votes behind the blue meanies.
That image is going to appear on leaflets!
*in mainstream usage anyway, I'm sure there are some.0 -
I guess they wouldn't have been happy if that pacifist had put them out of a job!TheScreamingEagles said:
I only remember those figures from election night and a friend of mine trying to rationalise those figures, he was expecting big swings to the Tories in those seats.tlg86 said:
The armed forces are full of pinkos.TheScreamingEagles said:
Corbyn's backstory didn't damage Labour in places like Devonport (Lab gain) and Colchester up 19% pushing the Lib Dems back into third, Labour also up 11% in Hereford & South HerefordshireMarqueeMark said:
For Salisbuery, read anywhere with a military base.....TheScreamingEagles said:
You were predicting Lab gain Salisbury before this?MarqueeMark said:
That will play well in Salisbury......AndyJS said:
What with it being a marginal with Labour only seventeen thousand votes behind the blue meanies.
That image is going to appear on leaflets!
/joke, just to be clear
His theory was the armed forces (and their families) after years of being underfunded and being sent on numerous escapades were quite wanting to have a pacifist in Number 10.
The only place where Labour didn't do as well because of this sort of thing was Hendon and Finchley and Golders Green.0 -
Well he was going to keep the subs, but not load them up with (nuclear) weapons.tlg86 said:
I guess they wouldn't have been happy if that pacifist had put them out of a job!TheScreamingEagles said:
I only remember those figures from election night and a friend of mine trying to rationalise those figures, he was expecting big swings to the Tories in those seats.tlg86 said:
The armed forces are full of pinkos.TheScreamingEagles said:
Corbyn's backstory didn't damage Labour in places like Devonport (Lab gain) and Colchester up 19% pushing the Lib Dems back into third, Labour also up 11% in Hereford & South HerefordshireMarqueeMark said:
For Salisbuery, read anywhere with a military base.....TheScreamingEagles said:
You were predicting Lab gain Salisbury before this?MarqueeMark said:
That will play well in Salisbury......AndyJS said:
What with it being a marginal with Labour only seventeen thousand votes behind the blue meanies.
That image is going to appear on leaflets!
/joke, just to be clear
His theory was the armed forces (and their families) after years of being underfunded and being sent on numerous escapades were quite wanting to have a pacifist in Number 10.
The only place where Labour didn't do as well because of this sort of thing was Hendon and Finchley and Golders Green.
Might explain Lab gain Devenport.0 -
And where the Tory vote went up 12.6%.....TheScreamingEagles said:Another one for the list.
Richmond, home of Catterick Garrison, saw Labour's share of the vote increase by 10% as Labour moved from third to second.0 -
My eighty something dad is a Leaver and Kipper, with RAF service. He has always been pro-Soviet because of their massive battles on the Eastern Front in his childhood. On a recent Volga cruise he was particularly overwhelmed by the memorials in Stalingrad.TheJezziah said:My Dad was in the armed forces and was intending to vote Labour when it was around election time. He wasn't wild about Corbyn but he wasn't a Corbyn hater either.
People are complex and at times contradictory. He won't vote Labour, but won't vote Tory either as he dislikes his MP, "shagger" Nokes.0 -
After sentencing him, the Judge should have increased the sentence by 5,000%
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He's worth every penny.
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Labour increased their vote... Everywhere except ld Tory contests and... Waveney.TheScreamingEagles said:Another one for the list.
Richmond, home of Catterick Garrison, saw Labour's share of the vote increase by 10% as Labour moved from third to second.
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Extraordinary. We can now judge hedge fund managers from a mere photograph and a ruler for the fWHR.AndyJS said:
Using facial width-to-height ratio (fWHR) for testosterone, we show that high testosterone hedge fund managers significantly underperform low-testosterone hedge fund managers after adjusting for risk ...
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Random thoughts:AndyJS said:
More Staly-Vostok than Staly-Vegas.
Hyde, town in which the Rata was raised, is way classier anyway.
Idiots.
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That was my point. But I suspect the LibDems wouldn’t have complained about itlogical_song said:
603 Labour MPs, 18 Lib Dems, 12 Conservatives onCharles said:
How many complaints would the LibDems have made about the unfairness of FPTP?OldKingCole said:
Paddy A as LotO. Could have been fun!Sean_F said:
According to Electoral Calculus, that would have produced 603 Labour MPs, 18 Lib Dems, 12 Conservatives.david_herdson said:
Labour's peak poll result was with Gallup, in November 1997:HHemmelig said:
Labour's poll share was far higher than 42% through most of the 1997-2001 parliament.HYUFD said:
Or you could look at the latest polling today putting Labour on 42%, it's highest rating since 1997 and a total any centre left party in Europe losing votes to anti immigration and anti globalisation parties at present would give their eye teeth for.Anorak said:
The 'confirmation bias' was meant to indicate it was an opinion, not a fact.HYUFD said:
Evidence? Recent German, Italian, Dutch and US elections suggest otherwise.Anorak said:The Tory's defy gravity in national polling by keeping leaver and anyone-but-Corbyn voters. Local voters can think differently. Shows that if Labour had a moderate leader, they'd be 10 points ahead, easily.
[there may be some confirmation bias in the above]
Even in France Macron did not run on the Socialist Party ticket
But I suppose you could view the fact that a Labour Party led by an antisemitic, anti-western trot with links to terrorist organisations and vicious authoritarian regimes, who has threatened the free press and our financial system, who has shown a complete absence of understanding how the economy works, has surrounded himself with proven liars and incompetents, and has directly accused our forces of murdering children in Yemen, is still level pegging in the polls as *evidence*, if you like...
Lab 63
Con 23
LD 11.
Lab 63
Con 23
LD 11
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The local elections in 2017 were overtaken by the impact of the general election, Mr JS. They took place, moreover, at the height of approval for Mrs May. Without the general election having been called, the Lib Dems would have done very much better, and the Tories very much worse in the locals.AndyJS said:The good news for the Tories regarding the local election by-election results last night is that Rallings and Thrasher decided a number of years ago that they have no significant bearing on general election results. Evidence of this is the fact that the Tories did so well at the local elections in May last year.
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Arguably most of the working-class and heavily military influenced Plymouth wards are in Moor View, which the Tories held. The dockyard itself is in Sutton & Devonport but that seat in general is by far the more middle class and student influenced of the two.TheScreamingEagles said:
Well he was going to keep the subs, but not load them up with (nuclear) weapons.tlg86 said:
I guess they wouldn't have been happy if that pacifist had put them out of a job!TheScreamingEagles said:
I only remember those figures from election night and a friend of mine trying to rationalise those figures, he was expecting big swings to the Tories in those seats.tlg86 said:
The armed forces are full of pinkos.TheScreamingEagles said:
Corbyn's backstory didn't damage Labour in places like Devonport (Lab gain) and Colchester up 19% pushing the Lib Dems back into third, Labour also up 11% in Hereford & South HerefordshireMarqueeMark said:
For Salisbuery, read anywhere with a military base.....TheScreamingEagles said:
You were predicting Lab gain Salisbury before this?MarqueeMark said:
That will play well in Salisbury......AndyJS said:
What with it being a marginal with Labour only seventeen thousand votes behind the blue meanies.
That image is going to appear on leaflets!
/joke, just to be clear
His theory was the armed forces (and their families) after years of being underfunded and being sent on numerous escapades were quite wanting to have a pacifist in Number 10.
The only place where Labour didn't do as well because of this sort of thing was Hendon and Finchley and Golders Green.
Might explain Lab gain Devenport.
Of course you missed out by far the best example - Portsmouth South0 -
On Topic: Down The Pan Friday!
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Naional Treasure.TheScreamingEagles said:He's worth every penny.
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That penultimate sentence ought to be on the banner.Foxy said:
My eighty something dad is a Leaver and Kipper, with RAF service. He has always been pro-Soviet because of their massive battles on the Eastern Front in his childhood. On a recent Volga cruise he was particularly overwhelmed by the memorials in Stalingrad.TheJezziah said:My Dad was in the armed forces and was intending to vote Labour when it was around election time. He wasn't wild about Corbyn but he wasn't a Corbyn hater either.
People are complex and at times contradictory. He won't vote Labour, but won't vote Tory either as he dislikes his MP, "shagger" Nokes.0 -
“I would not rule out direct talks with Kim Jong-un.MarqueeMark said:
Naional Treasure.TheScreamingEagles said:He's worth every penny.
“As far as the risk of dealing with a madman is concerned, that’s his problem, not mine.”
Surely the best presidential joke since Reagan's "It's true that hard work never killed anybody, but I figure why take the chance?"0 -
How can you know that as a certainty? As the GE itself showed, good campaigning very much reduced the Tory lead, maybe the LDs simply didn't campaign well enough.PClipp said:
Without the general election having been called, the Lib Dems would have done very much better, and the Tories very much worse in the locals.AndyJS said:The good news for the Tories regarding the local election by-election results last night is that Rallings and Thrasher decided a number of years ago that they have no significant bearing on general election results. Evidence of this is the fact that the Tories did so well at the local elections in May last year.
Note - I voted LD in the locals, btw.0 -
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