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Full details from the poll, published today, can be found here

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  • ElliotElliot Posts: 1,516
    edited March 2018
    Ishmael_Z said:

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-43337951

    While our attention is misdirected Eastwards, the real villain goes to work...

    Trump is terrible, but suggesting he's as bad as Putin is insane. The left has lost its mind.

    And that's before we get to the conspiracy theory part of your comment...
  • RobDRobD Posts: 60,707
    Second :(
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 55,930
    3rd like the LDs
  • MikeSmithsonMikeSmithson Posts: 7,382
    Sunil_Prasannan said:

    3rd like the LDs

    At least that's better than 4th
  • Scott_PScott_P Posts: 51,453
    https://twitter.com/adambertocci/status/971850276700377088
  • ThomasNasheThomasNashe Posts: 5,344
    edited March 2018
    Who on earth wrote that second option? That the media likes to sensationalise issues where sex is involved is surely beyond dispute - but it does not then follow that sexual harassment is a problem that has been exaggerated and matters less than has been made out. In other words it is quite possible to discern the quality of lurid prurience in the way the doings of the abominable Weinstein have been reported, without being any the less horrified by the events themselves.
  • RobDRobD Posts: 60,707
    Scott_P said:

    twitter.com/adambertocci/status/971850276700377088

    I wonder who will be the first to proclaim "Ah, victory" :smiley:
  • Scott_PScott_P Posts: 51,453
    https://twitter.com/thistlejohn/status/971859666790768647
  • OchEyeOchEye Posts: 1,469
    Copied from previous thread:

    Too many here, have very little understanding of the Cold War. Quite honestly, that is a good thing because they were born or were too young after the collapse of the CCCP, the Berlin Wall and many other symptoms of national paranoia. Unfortunately, they are also not aware of the history. May I humbly suggest some of the following authors and books to get some idea of what it was like (and could I request others of the period, from those who understand):


    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_le_Carré
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_Smiley

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anthony_Price
  • calumcalum Posts: 3,046
    https://twitter.com/SJAMcBride/status/971862363556270086
  • Ishmael_ZIshmael_Z Posts: 8,981
    Elliot said:

    Ishmael_Z said:

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-43337951

    While our attention is misdirected Eastwards, the real villain goes to work...

    Trump is terrible, but suggesting he's as bad as Putin is insane. The left has lost its mind.

    And that's before we get to the conspiracy theory part of your comment...
    I was not of the left, on most metrics, last time I looked, and my comment was very slightly <100% serious.
  • Scott_PScott_P Posts: 51,453
    https://twitter.com/faisalislam/status/971864761691492353
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 55,930
    MikeSmithson said:

    Sunil_Prasannan said:

    3rd like the LDs

    At least that's better than 4th
    Hey, Mike. May the 4th be with you!
  • MikeSmithsonMikeSmithson Posts: 7,382
    OchEye said:

    Copied from previous thread:

    Too many here, have very little understanding of the Cold War. Quite honestly, that is a good thing because they were born or were too young after the collapse of the CCCP, the Berlin Wall and many other symptoms of national paranoia. Unfortunately, they are also not aware of the history. May I humbly suggest some of the following authors and books to get some idea of what it was like (and could I request others of the period, from those who understand):


    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_le_Carré
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_Smiley

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anthony_Price

    Agreed. I always think that Anthony Price is under-rated
  • Sean_FSean_F Posts: 39,543
    ThomasNashe said:

    Who on earth wrote that second option? That the media likes to sensationalise issues where sex is involved is surely beyond dispute - but it does not then follow that sexual harassment is a problem that has been exaggerated and matters less than has been made out. In other words it is quite possible to discern the quality of lurid prurience in the way the doings of the abominable Weinstein have been reported, without being any the less horrified by the events themselves.

    I'd say that both statements are true, rather than one ruling out the other.

    It's somewhat similar to child sexual abuse. It is a real problem in all societies, and at the same time, many claims of child sexual abuse are unfounded and/or sensationalist.
  • GardenwalkerGardenwalker Posts: 22,567
    So Trump has formally signed off the tariffs, which apply to US.

    Do you rememver, just 48 hours ago, when some were chortling that this would teach those pesky Germans?
  • HistorianHistorian Posts: 23
    Again we have a very biased subtle attack on leavers. The finding of this poll are interpreted and presented as leavers per se having a poor attitude towards sexual harrassment as if somehow Brexit will lead to women being groped like never before.

    Sexual harrassment and Brexit are therefore conflated misleadingly-as part of the ongoing propaganda against leavers.

    The reality is that older people (who just happen to be leavers in larger numbers than the rest of the population) are less concerned about sexual harrassment because when they were younger it was more socially acceptable.

    Nothing to do with Brexit at all

  • FloaterFloater Posts: 14,207
    Elliot said:

    Ishmael_Z said:

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-43337951

    While our attention is misdirected Eastwards, the real villain goes to work...

    Trump is terrible, but suggesting he's as bad as Putin is insane. The left has lost its mind.

    And that's before we get to the conspiracy theory part of your comment...
    Exactly - scratches head in bemusement
  • Sean_FSean_F Posts: 39,543
    Historian said:

    Again we have a very biased subtle attack on leavers. The finding of this poll are interpreted and presented as leavers per se having a poor attitude towards sexual harrassment as if somehow Brexit will lead to women being groped like never before.

    Sexual harrassment and Brexit are therefore conflated misleadingly-as part of the ongoing propaganda against leavers.

    The reality is that older people (who just happen to be leavers in larger numbers than the rest of the population) are less concerned about sexual harrassment because when they were younger it was more socially acceptable.

    Nothing to do with Brexit at all

    Reading the details of the poll, it actually looks as if older people are a bit more bothered about sexual harassment/inequality than younger people, but the differences across ages and classes are not very great.
  • Ishmael_ZIshmael_Z Posts: 8,981
    Floater said:

    Elliot said:

    Ishmael_Z said:

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-43337951

    While our attention is misdirected Eastwards, the real villain goes to work...

    Trump is terrible, but suggesting he's as bad as Putin is insane. The left has lost its mind.

    And that's before we get to the conspiracy theory part of your comment...
    Exactly - scratches head in bemusement
    Did IQs just drop sharply while I was away? - Ellen Ripley.
  • FloaterFloater Posts: 14,207
    Gardenwalker said:

    So Trump has formally signed off the tariffs, which apply to US.

    Do you rememver, just 48 hours ago, when some were chortling that this would teach those pesky Germans?

    All I remember is people agreeing a trade war would be bad.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 81,154
    MikeSmithson said:

    OchEye said:

    Copied from previous thread:

    Too many here, have very little understanding of the Cold War. Quite honestly, that is a good thing because they were born or were too young after the collapse of the CCCP, the Berlin Wall and many other symptoms of national paranoia. Unfortunately, they are also not aware of the history. May I humbly suggest some of the following authors and books to get some idea of what it was like (and could I request others of the period, from those who understand):


    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_le_Carré
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_Smiley

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anthony_Price

    Agreed. I always think that Anthony Price is under-rated
    Some of his books were quote good, but he had a tendency towards foolish romanticisation. And an obsession with WWII rather than the Cold War itself.

    I preferred Brian Fremantle's Charlie Muffin books.

  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 81,154
    OchEye said:

    Copied from previous thread:

    Too many here, have very little understanding of the Cold War. Quite honestly, that is a good thing because they were born or were too young after the collapse of the CCCP, the Berlin Wall and many other symptoms of national paranoia...

    Do you mean symptoms - or symbols ?
    Though neither make a huge amount of sense in the context.

  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 61,421
    edited March 2018
    Gardenwalker said:

    So Trump has formally signed off the tariffs, which apply to US.

    Do you rememver, just 48 hours ago, when some were chortling that this would teach those pesky Germans?

    If the EU has any sense - which it probably does not - it will ignore the tariffs, and enjoy the inevitable rise in car exports that is the consequence of the Americans government having priced local firms out of the market.

    (Any US car maker undecided between Alabama and Mexico for their next car plant now knows that if they choose Mexico, they will avoid steel tariffs, so it is almost inevitable that these tariffs will also reduce investment in the US auto industry).
  • MikeSmithsonMikeSmithson Posts: 7,382
    Historian said:

    Again we have a very biased subtle attack on leavers. The finding of this poll are interpreted and presented as leavers per se having a poor attitude towards sexual harrassment as if somehow Brexit will lead to women being groped like never before.

    Sexual harrassment and Brexit are therefore conflated misleadingly-as part of the ongoing propaganda against leavers.

    The reality is that older people (who just happen to be leavers in larger numbers than the rest of the population) are less concerned about sexual harrassment because when they were younger it was more socially acceptable.

    Nothing to do with Brexit at all

    If the cap fits then wear it. If you don't like coming here you don't have to.

  • rpjsrpjs Posts: 3,787
    rcs1000 said:

    Gardenwalker said:

    So Trump has formally signed off the tariffs, which apply to US.

    Do you rememver, just 48 hours ago, when some were chortling that this would teach those pesky Germans?

    If the EU has any sense - which it probably does not - it will ignore the tariffs, and enjoy the inevitable rise in car exports that is the consequence of the Americans government having priced local firms out of the market.

    (Any US car maker undecided between Alabama and Mexico for their next car plant now knows that if they choose Mexico, they will avoid steel tariffs, so it is almost inevitable that these tariffs will also reduce investment in the US auto industry).
    Except that they would logically expect Trump to impose similar tariffs on the cars they manufacture in Mexico.
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 80,113
    Gardenwalker said:

    So Trump has formally signed off the tariffs, which apply to US.

    Do you rememver, just 48 hours ago, when some were chortling that this would teach those pesky Germans?

    It affects the US the most to be perfectly frank.
  • Y0kelY0kel Posts: 2,307
    edited March 2018
    Apparently there is going to be some kind of internationally newsworthy announcement by South Korea about midnight our time.

    Edit: This is according to Donald Trump....
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 81,154
    rcs1000 said:

    Gardenwalker said:

    So Trump has formally signed off the tariffs, which apply to US.

    Do you rememver, just 48 hours ago, when some were chortling that this would teach those pesky Germans?

    If the EU has any sense - which it probably does not - it will ignore the tariffs, and enjoy the inevitable rise in car exports that is the consequence of the Americans government having priced local firms out of the market.

    (Any US car maker undecided between Alabama and Mexico for their next car plant now knows that if they choose Mexico, they will avoid steel tariffs, so it is almost inevitable that these tariffs will also reduce investment in the US auto industry).

    I think you know the answer to that from our Brexit negotiations - there are 'principles at stake'. So don't expect such restraint.

  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 61,421
    rpjs said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Gardenwalker said:

    So Trump has formally signed off the tariffs, which apply to US.

    Do you rememver, just 48 hours ago, when some were chortling that this would teach those pesky Germans?

    If the EU has any sense - which it probably does not - it will ignore the tariffs, and enjoy the inevitable rise in car exports that is the consequence of the Americans government having priced local firms out of the market.

    (Any US car maker undecided between Alabama and Mexico for their next car plant now knows that if they choose Mexico, they will avoid steel tariffs, so it is almost inevitable that these tariffs will also reduce investment in the US auto industry).
    Except that they would logically expect Trump to impose similar tariffs on the cars they manufacture in Mexico.
    The inevitable next step is that the US government will increase the tariffs on cars to compensate for the fact that he's just made European, Mexican, Japanese and Canadian cars relatively cheaper.

    At that point the real risk of a trade war kicks off.
  • TGOHFTGOHF Posts: 21,633
    https://twitter.com/tobybaxendale/status/971780516319031297?s=21
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 61,421
    edited March 2018
    Nigelb said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Gardenwalker said:

    So Trump has formally signed off the tariffs, which apply to US.

    Do you rememver, just 48 hours ago, when some were chortling that this would teach those pesky Germans?

    If the EU has any sense - which it probably does not - it will ignore the tariffs, and enjoy the inevitable rise in car exports that is the consequence of the Americans government having priced local firms out of the market.

    (Any US car maker undecided between Alabama and Mexico for their next car plant now knows that if they choose Mexico, they will avoid steel tariffs, so it is almost inevitable that these tariffs will also reduce investment in the US auto industry).

    I think you know the answer to that from our Brexit negotiations - there are 'principles at stake'. So don't expect such restraint.

    Ultimately, the US (like the UK) runs a trade deficit because its population spends too much and saves too little.

    A trade deficit is the excess of consumption over production.

    The only way to close a trade deficit is is to reduce domestic consumption.

    Yet Donald Trump's policies attempt to encourage a domestic spending boom, which can only increase the trade deficit. The Donald is likely, therefore, to be continually frustrated by the fact that his tariffs fail to close the trade gap.

  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 53,182
    MikeSmithson said:

    Historian said:

    Again we have a very biased subtle attack on leavers. The finding of this poll are interpreted and presented as leavers per se having a poor attitude towards sexual harrassment as if somehow Brexit will lead to women being groped like never before.

    Sexual harrassment and Brexit are therefore conflated misleadingly-as part of the ongoing propaganda against leavers.

    The reality is that older people (who just happen to be leavers in larger numbers than the rest of the population) are less concerned about sexual harrassment because when they were younger it was more socially acceptable.

    Nothing to do with Brexit at all

    If the cap fits then wear it. If you don't like coming here you don't have to.

    To be fair the traits of Tory voting, Male identification, Brexit voting and age are all correlated, so it is hard to tease out the driver. Males under 40 had views similar to females under 40, so appears not to be the driver so much as the other factors.

    The discussion on here re the Presidents Club illustrated this point quite well at a micro level.
  • GIN1138GIN1138 Posts: 22,949
    Scott_P said:

    https://twitter.com/adambertocci/status/971850276700377088

    Is The Donald Darth Sidious though? :D
  • Y0kelY0kel Posts: 2,307
    edited March 2018
    Sorry, did I just read the headline of the last thread correctly?

    Get real. The vast majority of the public neither know or care about some spending overshoot. Its the preserve of politicos who believe who believe that the UK leaving the EU is some kind of life or death struggle. It isn't.

    If, especially given recent events, someone delves into the sources financing of some of the more prominent leave campaigners and campaigns, you might have something slightly more concerning to the masses. Heres looking at you, Moldovan bank.
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 55,930
    GIN1138 said:

    Scott_P said:

    https://twitter.com/adambertocci/status/971850276700377088

    Is The Donald Darth Sidious though? :D
    TSE:[distressed] What have I done?

    Darth Gideon (aka Chancellor Osborne): You are fulfilling your destiny, TSE. Become my apprentice. Learn to use the Daft Side of the Force. There's no turning back now.

    TSE: I will do whatever you ask. Just help me save Theresa's political career. I can't live without her. If she resigns, I don't know what I will do regarding "May is crap" threads!

    Darth Gideon: To cheat political osbcurity is a power only one has achieved through centuries of the study of the Force. But if we work together, I know we can discover the secret to eternal AV Threads!

    TSE: I pledge myself to your teachings. To the ways of the REMAIN Campaign.

    Darth Gideon: Good. Good! The Force is strong with you, TSE. A powerful REMAINER you will become. Henceforth, you shall be known as Darth... Eagles.

    TSE: Thank you... my Master.

    Darth Gideon: Lord Eagles... rise.
  • El_CapitanoEl_Capitano Posts: 4,251
    https://twitter.com/BBCNewsnight/status/971876131048775680
  • TGOHFTGOHF Posts: 21,633
    https://twitter.com/bbcnewsnight/status/971876131048775680?s=21
  • brendan16brendan16 Posts: 2,315
    edited March 2018
    Some polling today from the US has the Democrats losing five of their existing Senate seats in November's mid terms - Missouri, North Dakota, Montana, Indiana, and West Virginia. Early days - and most states haven't yet picked their candidates for the Republicans - but it was always a big ask for the Dems to retake the senate when they are defending 24 of the 33 seats up.

    https://www.cnbc.com/2018/03/08/democrats-heading-toward-big-losses-in-midterm-senate-elections-polls.html
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 81,154
    rcs1000 said:

    Nigelb said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Gardenwalker said:

    So Trump has formally signed off the tariffs, which apply to US.

    Do you rememver, just 48 hours ago, when some were chortling that this would teach those pesky Germans?

    If the EU has any sense - which it probably does not - it will ignore the tariffs, and enjoy the inevitable rise in car exports that is the consequence of the Americans government having priced local firms out of the market.

    (Any US car maker undecided between Alabama and Mexico for their next car plant now knows that if they choose Mexico, they will avoid steel tariffs, so it is almost inevitable that these tariffs will also reduce investment in the US auto industry).

    I think you know the answer to that from our Brexit negotiations - there are 'principles at stake'. So don't expect such restraint.

    Ultimately, the US (like the UK) runs a trade deficit because its population spends too much and saves too little.

    A trade deficit is the excess of consumption over production.

    The only way to close a trade deficit is is to reduce domestic consumption.

    Yet Donald Trump's policies attempt to encourage a domestic spending boom, which can only increase the trade deficit. The Donald is likely, therefore, to be continually frustrated by the fact that his tariffs fail to close the trade gap.

    Trump is a guy who thinks VAT is a trade barrier (as do his un resigned economic advisers). And he has been over borrowed almost his entire life.

    I don't think your point of view is likely to get much traction.

  • GIN1138GIN1138 Posts: 22,949
    Sunil_Prasannan said:

    GIN1138 said:

    Scott_P said:

    https://twitter.com/adambertocci/status/971850276700377088

    Is The Donald Darth Sidious though? :D
    TSE:[distressed] What have I done?

    Darth Gideon (aka Chancellor Osborne): You are fulfilling your destiny, TSE. Become my apprentice. Learn to use the Daft Side of the Force. There's no turning back now.

    TSE: I will do whatever you ask. Just help me save Theresa's political career. I can't live without her. If she resigns, I don't know what I will do regarding "May is crap" threads!

    Darth Gideon: To cheat political osbcurity is a power only one has achieved through centuries of the study of the Force. But if we work together, I know we can discover the secret to eternal AV Threads!

    TSE: I pledge myself to your teachings. To the ways of the REMAIN Campaign.

    Darth Gideon: Good. Good! The Force is strong with you, TSE. A powerful REMAINER you will become. Henceforth, you shall be known as Darth... Eagles.

    TSE: Thank you... my Master.

    Darth Gideon: Lord Eagles... rise.
    :D
  • GIN1138GIN1138 Posts: 22,949
    El_Capitano said:

    https://twitter.com/BBCNewsnight/status/971876131048775680

    What's the little guy done now? :D
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 81,154
    A second trial date for Manafort, this time July:
    https://www.politico.com/story/2018/03/08/judge-in-virginia-schedules-manafort-trial-on-bank-tax-charges-for-july-10-448114?lo=ap_b1

    So likely to provide interesting news for four solid months ahead of the midterms...
  • not_on_firenot_on_fire Posts: 4,451
    edited March 2018
    On Britain and the EU...

    https://twitter.com/mattholehouse/status/971362249343406081?s=21
  • GIN1138GIN1138 Posts: 22,949
    I note the last time U.S.A. started imposing tariff's there was a world within ten years...

    Not a good omen perhaps?
  • GIN1138GIN1138 Posts: 22,949
    not_on_fire said:

    On Britain and the EU...

    https://twitter.com/mattholehouse/status/971362249343406081?s=21

    LOl! That is quite a funny line. :D
  • OchEyeOchEye Posts: 1,469
    rcs1000 said:

    Nigelb said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Gardenwalker said:

    So Trump has formally signed off the tariffs, which apply to US.

    Do you rememver, just 48 hours ago, when some were chortling that this would teach those pesky Germans?

    If the EU has any sense -.

    I think you know the answer to that from our Brexit negotiations - there are 'principles at stake'. So don't expect such restraint.

    Ultimately, the US (like the UK) runs a trade deficit because its population spends too much and saves too little.

    A trade deficit is the excess of consumption over production.

    The only way to close a trade deficit is is to reduce domestic consumption.

    Yet Donald Trump's policies attempt to encourage a domestic spending boom, which can only increase the trade deficit. The Donald is likely, therefore, to be continually frustrated by the fact that his tariffs fail to close the trade gap.

    rcs1000 said:

    Nigelb said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Gardenwalker said:

    So Trump has formally signed off the tariffs, which apply to US.

    Do you rememver, just 48 hours ago, when some were chortling that this would teach those pesky Germans?

    If the EU has any sense - which it probably does not - it will ignore the tariffs, and enjoy the inevitable rise in car exports that is the consequence of the Americans government having priced local firms out of the market.

    (Any US car maker undecided between Alabama and Mexico for their next car plant now knows that if they choose Mexico, they will avoid steel tariffs, so it is almost inevitable that these tariffs will also reduce investment in the US auto industry).

    I think you know the answer to that from our Brexit negotiations - there are 'principles at stake'. So don't expect such restraint.

    Ultimately, the US (like the UK) runs a trade deficit because its population spends too much and saves too little.

    A trade deficit is the excess of consumption over production.

    The only way to close a trade deficit is is to reduce domestic consumption.

    Yet Donald Trump's policies attempt to encourage a domestic spending boom, which can only increase the trade deficit. The Donald is likely, therefore, to be continually frustrated by the fact that his tariffs fail to close the trade gap.

    Saving only becomes worthwhile when interest rates exceed inflation rates, when the reverse is true, then it is better to spend before the value decreases...
  • Y0kelY0kel Posts: 2,307
    edited March 2018
    Nixon-China

    Trump-North Korea

    We'll know at midnight if its an apt comparison.

    Edit: Probably not
  • OchEyeOchEye Posts: 1,469
    Elliot said:

    Ishmael_Z said:

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-43337951

    While our attention is misdirected Eastwards, the real villain goes to work...

    Trump is terrible, but suggesting he's as bad as Putin is insane. The left has lost its mind.

    And that's before we get to the conspiracy theory part of your comment...
    Trump is insane, Putin unfortunately is too sane....
  • OchEyeOchEye Posts: 1,469
    GIN1138 said:

    I note the last time U.S.A. started imposing tariff's there was a world within ten years...

    Not a good omen perhaps?

    GIN1138 said:

    I note the last time U.S.A. started imposing tariff's there was a world within ten years...

    Not a good omen perhaps?

    GIN1138 said:

    I note the last time U.S.A. started imposing tariff's there was a world within ten years...

    Not a good omen perhaps?

    Except if you have shares in weapons manufacturers...
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 81,154
    OchEye said:

    Elliot said:

    Ishmael_Z said:

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-43337951

    While our attention is misdirected Eastwards, the real villain goes to work...

    Trump is terrible, but suggesting he's as bad as Putin is insane. The left has lost its mind.

    And that's before we get to the conspiracy theory part of your comment...
    Trump is insane, Putin unfortunately is too sane....
    And Trump incompetent, Putin not:
    https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2018/03/trump-is-following-the-same-playbook-as-other-authoritarian-populists-hes-just-much-worse-at-it.html?
  • MortimerMortimer Posts: 14,332
    Did someone actually tip Pidcock recently for future Labour leader recently - she seems to be waffling away on QT. Makes Corbyn sound pretty cogent and competent.
  • FloaterFloater Posts: 14,207
    GIN1138 said:

    I note the last time U.S.A. started imposing tariff's there was a world within ten years...

    Not a good omen perhaps?

    The thought had crossed my mind - this is like the 30's in a number of ways
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 81,154
    edited March 2018
    not_on_fire said:

    On Britain and the EU...

    https://twitter.com/mattholehouse/status/971362249343406081?s=21

    Good snark - but it's not as though the EU doesn't have its own similar self serving demands of us.

  • OchEyeOchEye Posts: 1,469
    Nigelb said:

    OchEye said:

    Copied from previous thread:

    Too many here, have very little understanding of the Cold War. Quite honestly, that is a good thing because they were born or were too young after the collapse of the CCCP, the Berlin Wall and many other symptoms of national paranoia...

    Do you mean symptoms - or symbols ?
    Though neither make a huge amount of sense in the context.

    Symptoms, the symbols are still being held onto by a significant minority against all common sense. There are still some in the UK who believe we still have an empire on which the sun never sets...
  • El_CapitanoEl_Capitano Posts: 4,251
    https://twitter.com/britainelects/status/971885311809740800
  • OchEyeOchEye Posts: 1,469
    Nigelb said:

    OchEye said:

    Elliot said:

    Ishmael_Z said:

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-43337951

    While our attention is misdirected Eastwards, the real villain goes to work...

    Trump is terrible, but suggesting he's as bad as Putin is insane. The left has lost its mind.

    And that's before we get to the conspiracy theory part of your comment...
    Trump is insane, Putin unfortunately is too sane....
    And Trump incompetent, Putin not:
    https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2018/03/trump-is-following-the-same-playbook-as-other-authoritarian-populists-hes-just-much-worse-at-it.html?
    +1
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 55,930
    OchEye said:

    Nigelb said:

    OchEye said:

    Copied from previous thread:

    Too many here, have very little understanding of the Cold War. Quite honestly, that is a good thing because they were born or were too young after the collapse of the CCCP, the Berlin Wall and many other symptoms of national paranoia...

    Do you mean symptoms - or symbols ?
    Though neither make a huge amount of sense in the context.

    Symptoms, the symbols are still being held onto by a significant minority against all common sense. There are still some in the UK who believe we still have an empire on which the sun never sets...
    Will the sun ever set on the EU?
  • MortimerMortimer Posts: 14,332
    Mortimer said:

    Did someone actually tip Pidcock recently for future Labour leader recently - she seems to be waffling away on QT. Makes Corbyn sound pretty cogent and competent.

    Gosh, she is getting worse.
  • OchEyeOchEye Posts: 1,469
    Nigelb said:

    A second trial date for Manafort, this time July:
    https://www.politico.com/story/2018/03/08/judge-in-virginia-schedules-manafort-trial-on-bank-tax-charges-for-july-10-448114?lo=ap_b1

    So likely to provide interesting news for four solid months ahead of the midterms...

    The net is closing on The Donald,

    https://www.salon.com/2018/03/01/beware-president-trump-robert-mueller-is-just-getting-started/
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 81,154
    OchEye said:

    Nigelb said:

    OchEye said:

    Copied from previous thread:

    Too many here, have very little understanding of the Cold War. Quite honestly, that is a good thing because they were born or were too young after the collapse of the CCCP, the Berlin Wall and many other symptoms of national paranoia...

    Do you mean symptoms - or symbols ?
    Though neither make a huge amount of sense in the context.

    Symptoms, the symbols are still being held onto by a significant minority against all common sense. There are still some in the UK who believe we still have an empire on which the sun never sets...
    Yes, sorry. Rereading it makes more sense... I was wondering how the CCCP was a symptom.

  • OchEyeOchEye Posts: 1,469
    Scott_P said:

    https://twitter.com/thistlejohn/status/971859666790768647

    For some time I thought Paris was the same sex as Paris Hilton, and I still cannot pronounce his surname...
  • OchEyeOchEye Posts: 1,469
    Sunil_Prasannan said:

    OchEye said:

    Nigelb said:

    OchEye said:

    Copied from previous thread:

    Too many here, have very little understanding of the Cold War. Quite honestly, that is a good thing because they were born or were too young after the collapse of the CCCP, the Berlin Wall and many other symptoms of national paranoia...

    Do you mean symptoms - or symbols ?
    Though neither make a huge amount of sense in the context.

    Symptoms, the symbols are still being held onto by a significant minority against all common sense. There are still some in the UK who believe we still have an empire on which the sun never sets...
    Will the sun ever set on the EU?
    Probably, about the time it joins NAFTA, ASEAN, Africa and South America in a world trade organisation....
  • Y0kelY0kel Posts: 2,307
    Y0kel said:

    Nixon-China

    Trump-North Korea

    We'll know at midnight if its an apt comparison.

    Edit: Probably not

    Another edit: Rumour has it it might be an apt comparison.
  • OchEyeOchEye Posts: 1,469
    Nigelb said:

    OchEye said:

    Nigelb said:

    OchEye said:

    Copied from previous thread:

    Too many here, have very little understanding of the Cold War. Quite honestly, that is a good thing because they were born or were too young after the collapse of the CCCP, the Berlin Wall and many other symptoms of national paranoia...

    Do you mean symptoms - or symbols ?
    Though neither make a huge amount of sense in the context.

    Symptoms, the symbols are still being held onto by a significant minority against all common sense. There are still some in the UK who believe we still have an empire on which the sun never sets...
    Yes, sorry. Rereading it makes more sense... I was wondering how the CCCP was a symptom.

    Back in the USSR...
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 56,314
    Y0kel said:

    Y0kel said:

    Nixon-China

    Trump-North Korea

    We'll know at midnight if its an apt comparison.

    Edit: Probably not

    Another edit: Rumour has it it might be an apt comparison.
    https://twitter.com/JenGriffinFNC/status/971887659315613696
  • NickPalmerNickPalmer Posts: 21,789
    edited March 2018
    Y0kel said:

    Y0kel said:

    Nixon-China

    Trump-North Korea

    We'll know at midnight if its an apt comparison.

    Edit: Probably not

    Another edit: Rumour has it it might be an apt comparison.
    Seems logical. He likes to tweet surprises - not much point in another North Korea is Evil tweet. I expect he wants to claim credit for the talks, which is at leat better than storming off in a huff about them.

    Edit: and there you go. If correctly reported, he can reasonably claim success.
  • Y0kelY0kel Posts: 2,307
    NickPalmer said:

    Y0kel said:

    Y0kel said:

    Nixon-China

    Trump-North Korea

    We'll know at midnight if its an apt comparison.

    Edit: Probably not

    Another edit: Rumour has it it might be an apt comparison.
    Seems logical. He likes to tweet surprises - not much point in another North Korea is Evil tweet. I expect he wants to claim credit for the talks, which is at leat better than storming off in a huff about them.
    He didn't tweet about it, he came out to the press gallery and said it.

    The story is the South Koreans are doing the announcement at the White House where they've dropped in to pass on the Kim letter. As much as I loathe the corrupt git, he may have something to claim credit for.
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 61,421
    edited March 2018
    brendan16 said:

    Some polling today from the US has the Democrats losing five of their existing Senate seats in November's mid terms - Missouri, North Dakota, Montana, Indiana, and West Virginia. Early days - and most states haven't yet picked their candidates for the Republicans - but it was always a big ask for the Dems to retake the senate when they are defending 24 of the 33 seats up.

    https://www.cnbc.com/2018/03/08/democrats-heading-toward-big-losses-in-midterm-senate-elections-polls.html

    Given how Red some of the states up this time around, this shouldn't be a big surprise.

    My personal guess is that North Dakota, where the "at large" Congressman Cramer is near certain to be the Republican nominee is aRepublican pick-up. I can't see Claire McCaskill hanging on in Missouri, and Montana is one of the most Republican states in the country.

    West Virginia is a slightly harder one to call. I wouldn't be surprised if Manchin holds on, even in a state where Trump has a 65% approval rating. (Democrat Richard Ojeda is leading in the polls in the Third Congressional District there, a district which voted Trump over Clinton 75-24.)

    The Democrats should be reasonably hopeful of picking up Nevada. It continues to trend blue, and in a low turnout year, they'll probably pinch it. (If the Republicans pick Joe Arpiao in Arizona, then that seat is probably under threat too. I don't expect them to be that stupid, mind.)
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 56,314
    https://twitter.com/britainelects/status/971891803510202368
  • GIN1138GIN1138 Posts: 22,949
    edited March 2018
    Mark Pritchard MP, Paul Farrelly MP and John Bercow MP all named as bullies towards female clarks in tonight's Newnight expose...

    Speaker Bercow apparently left one woman with post traumatic stress disorder in 2011...

    Have a look here

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/b09vffwd/newsnight-08032018
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 61,421
    OchEye said:

    Saving only becomes worthwhile when interest rates exceed inflation rates, when the reverse is true, then it is better to spend before the value decreases...

    People in Germany and Switzerland save, even though those countries have lower interest rates than the UK or the US.

    But yes, the best way to encourage saving is to make money worth more in the future than now.
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 53,182
    williamglenn said:

    https://twitter.com/britainelects/status/971891803510202368

    Dirty sleazy Tories on the slide...
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 87,551
    edited March 2018
    GIN1138 said:

    Mark Pritchard MP, Paul Farrelly MP and John Bercow MP all named as bullies towards female clarks in tonight's Newnight expose...

    Speaker Bercow apparently left one woman with post traumatic stress disorder in 2011...

    Have a look here

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/b09vffwd/newsnight-08032018

    Are we shocked at any of those names? Farrelly for one has been involved in a number of incidents.
  • GIN1138GIN1138 Posts: 22,949
    edited March 2018
    FrancisUrquhart said:

    GIN1138 said:

    Mark Pritchard MP, Paul Farrelly MP and John Bercow MP all named as bullies towards female clarks in tonight's Newnight expose...

    Speaker Bercow apparently left one woman with post traumatic stress disorder in 2011...

    Have a look here

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/b09vffwd/newsnight-08032018

    Are we shocked at any of those names?
    Will be interesting to see if the floodgates open against Speaker Bercow now.

    The tide could be about to rise over his head...
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 56,314
    Even more striking. UKIP->Lab huge swing in the Medway.
    https://twitter.com/britainelects/status/971894222231166978
  • philiphphiliph Posts: 4,706
    GIN1138 said:

    FrancisUrquhart said:

    GIN1138 said:

    Mark Pritchard MP, Paul Farrelly MP and John Bercow MP all named as bullies towards female clarks in tonight's Newnight expose...

    Speaker Bercow apparently left one woman with post traumatic stress disorder in 2011...

    Have a look here

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/b09vffwd/newsnight-08032018

    Are we shocked at any of those names?
    Will be interesting to see if the floodgates open against Speaker Bercow now.

    The tide could be about to rise over his head...
    Just a low tide then
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 53,182
    FrancisUrquhart said:

    GIN1138 said:

    Mark Pritchard MP, Paul Farrelly MP and John Bercow MP all named as bullies towards female clarks in tonight's Newnight expose...

    Speaker Bercow apparently left one woman with post traumatic stress disorder in 2011...

    Have a look here

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/b09vffwd/newsnight-08032018

    Are we shocked at any of those names? Farrelly for one has been involved in a number of incidents.
    Not heard of the other two, but Bercow has always been a little cocky.
  • CookieCookie Posts: 16,096
    OchEye said:

    Nigelb said:

    OchEye said:

    Copied from previous thread:

    Too many here, have very little understanding of the Cold War. Quite honestly, that is a good thing because they were born or were too young after the collapse of the CCCP, the Berlin Wall and many other symptoms of national paranoia...

    Do you mean symptoms - or symbols ?
    Though neither make a huge amount of sense in the context.

    Symptoms, the symbols are still being held onto by a significant minority against all common sense. There are still some in the UK who believe we still have an empire on which the sun never sets...
    *A pedant notes* I think, technically, that we do. In terms of numbers and geographical distribution of overseas territories, I think the British empire is still the largest in the world.

    I'mnot suggesting that Pucairm, the Falkland Islands, the Turks and Caicos etc are necessarily going to see us through the choppy waters of the early 21st century. But still - the sun does not set on the British Empire.

    While I'm on about that sort of thing - and this point is aimed at no-one here in particular - nor are we 'just some small islands of North West Europe' - Great Britain is by any measure a pretty large usland, ranking in the top 10 of islands worldwide in both area and population.

    I make no politucal point here, just a geographic one.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 87,551
    Foxy said:

    FrancisUrquhart said:

    GIN1138 said:

    Mark Pritchard MP, Paul Farrelly MP and John Bercow MP all named as bullies towards female clarks in tonight's Newnight expose...

    Speaker Bercow apparently left one woman with post traumatic stress disorder in 2011...

    Have a look here

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/b09vffwd/newsnight-08032018

    Are we shocked at any of those names? Farrelly for one has been involved in a number of incidents.
    Not heard of the other two, but Bercow has always been a little cocky.
    Farrelly has had a number of punch ups over the past few years.
  • Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 67,234
    williamglenn said:

    Even more striking. UKIP->Lab huge swing in the Medway.
    https://twitter.com/britainelects/status/971894222231166978

    Council tax bills coming out plus building on green belt
  • AndyJSAndyJS Posts: 29,395
    Spectacular gain for Labour in Rochester West on a 15% swing. The ward includes the cathedral, the castle and the old town.
  • FloaterFloater Posts: 14,207
    https://order-order.com/2018/03/08/bercow-accused-bullying-female-secretary-signed-off-ptsd/
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 87,551
    Floater said:

    https://order-order.com/2018/03/08/bercow-accused-bullying-female-secretary-signed-off-ptsd/

    "Bercow even had Emms painted out of his official portrait."

    What a sad little man.

  • El_CapitanoEl_Capitano Posts: 4,251
    Not a great night for the Conservatives in the locals:

    https://twitter.com/britainelects/status/971895251857272832

    (Rutland politics are weird.)
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 53,182
    https://twitter.com/britainelects/status/971895251857272832

    FWIW, I don't know what the IND stood for, but a lot of resentment of overbuilding in Oakham.
  • AndyJSAndyJS Posts: 29,395
    The Rutland seat was split between Con and Ind before.
  • AndyJSAndyJS Posts: 29,395
    edited March 2018
    Labour lose a seat in Bolton, the second time that's happened in a few weeks. Apparently the council is very unpopular.
  • FloaterFloater Posts: 14,207
    FrancisUrquhart said:

    Floater said:

    https://order-order.com/2018/03/08/bercow-accused-bullying-female-secretary-signed-off-ptsd/

    "Bercow even had Emms painted out of his official portrait."

    What a sad little man.

    Certainly a huge ego
  • AndyJSAndyJS Posts: 29,395
    edited March 2018
    Floater said:

    FrancisUrquhart said:

    Floater said:

    https://order-order.com/2018/03/08/bercow-accused-bullying-female-secretary-signed-off-ptsd/

    "Bercow even had Emms painted out of his official portrait."

    What a sad little man.

    Certainly a huge ego
    He should have retired a couple of years ago when he was popular with almost everyone.
  • OchEyeOchEye Posts: 1,469
    Cookie said:

    OchEye said:

    Nigelb said:

    OchEye said:

    Copied from previous thread:

    Too many here, have very little understanding of the Cold War. Quite honestly, that is a good thing because they were born or were too young after the collapse of the CCCP, the Berlin Wall and many other symptoms of national paranoia...

    Do you mean symptoms - or symbols ?
    Though neither make a huge amount of sense in the context.

    Symptoms, the symbols are still being held onto by a significant minority against all common sense. There are still some in the UK who believe we still have an empire on which the sun never sets...
    *A pedant notes* I think, technically, that we do. In terms of numbers and geographical distribution of overseas territories, I think the British empire is still the largest in the world.

    I'mnot suggesting that Pucairm, the Falkland Islands, the Turks and Caicos etc are necessarily going to see us through the choppy waters of the early 21st century. But still - the sun does not set on the British Empire.

    While I'm on about that sort of thing - and this point is aimed at no-one here in particular - nor are we 'just some small islands of North West Europe' - Great Britain is by any measure a pretty large usland, ranking in the top 10 of islands worldwide in both area and population.

    I make no politucal point here, just a geographic one.
    Ah, but then again, we will be sending in the SAS to retake Africa, India and Pakistan, Australia, Canada, Burma, Malaya, Hong Kong, Singapore, gunboats up the Yangtse and finally the USA.........;-)
  • oxfordsimonoxfordsimon Posts: 5,850
    AndyJS said:

    Floater said:

    FrancisUrquhart said:

    Floater said:

    https://order-order.com/2018/03/08/bercow-accused-bullying-female-secretary-signed-off-ptsd/

    "Bercow even had Emms painted out of his official portrait."

    What a sad little man.

    Certainly a huge ego
    He should have retired a couple of years ago when he was popular with almost everyone.
    His ego is too big to allow him to consider that he was ever in the wrong about anything.

    They will have to drag him kicking and screaming out of the chair sadly. Odious little man that he is.
  • tpfkartpfkar Posts: 1,579
    What a night for the Tories in the local by-elections. Defending 5, 2 looked marginal and 3 very safe, and they've lost every single one.
  • GIN1138GIN1138 Posts: 22,949
    edited March 2018
    Donald Trump to meet Kim Jong-Un by May...

    https://news.sky.com/story/live-south-koreas-announcement-on-north-korea-11281879
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 56,314
    Cookie said:

    *A pedant notes* I think, technically, that we do. In terms of numbers and geographical distribution of overseas territories, I think the British empire is still the largest in the world.

    If you go by the size of oceanic exclusive economic zones, France is number one followed by the USA.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 87,551
    GIN1138 said:

    Donald Trump to meet Kim Jong-Un by May...

    https://news.sky.com/story/live-south-koreas-announcement-on-north-korea-11281879

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DtVBCG6ThDk
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 55,930
    Foxy said:

    williamglenn said:

    https://twitter.com/britainelects/status/971891803510202368

    Dirty sleazy Tories on the slide...
    Actually it's "broken, sleazy Tories on the slide..." :)
  • CarlottaVanceCarlottaVance Posts: 60,422
    Well, if I voted for a party that had never had a permanent female leader, let alone two female Prime Ministers, and was in the middle of a harassment scandal, I might be more concerned about sexual harassment in the workplace too.....
  • kyf_100kyf_100 Posts: 4,977
    Historian said:

    Again we have a very biased subtle attack on leavers. The finding of this poll are interpreted and presented as leavers per se having a poor attitude towards sexual harrassment as if somehow Brexit will lead to women being groped like never before.

    Sexual harrassment and Brexit are therefore conflated misleadingly-as part of the ongoing propaganda against leavers.

    The reality is that older people (who just happen to be leavers in larger numbers than the rest of the population) are less concerned about sexual harrassment because when they were younger it was more socially acceptable.

    Nothing to do with Brexit at all

    Also plenty of us young'uns are taking the red pill.
  • CarlottaVanceCarlottaVance Posts: 60,422
    Hello fattie!

    https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/929511061954297857
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