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Full details from the poll, published today, can be found here

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Elliot

Ishmael_Z said:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-43337951

While our attention is misdirected Eastwards, the real villain goes to work...

Trump is terrible, but suggesting he's as bad as Putin is insane. The left has lost its mind.

And that's before we get to the conspiracy theory part of your comment...

RobD

Second

Sunil_Prasannan

3rd like the LDs

MikeSmithson

Sunil_Prasannan said:

3rd like the LDs

At least that's better than 4th

Scott_P

https://twitter.com/adambertocci/status/971850276700377088

ThomasNashe

Who on earth wrote that second option? That the media likes to sensationalise issues where sex is involved is surely beyond dispute - but it does not then follow that sexual harassment is a problem that has been exaggerated and matters less than has been made out. In other words it is quite possible to discern the quality of lurid prurience in the way the doings of the abominable Weinstein have been reported, without being any the less horrified by the events themselves.

RobD

Scott_P said:

twitter.com/adambertocci/status/971850276700377088

I wonder who will be the first to proclaim "Ah, victory"

Scott_P

https://twitter.com/thistlejohn/status/971859666790768647

OchEye

Copied from previous thread:

Too many here, have very little understanding of the Cold War. Quite honestly, that is a good thing because they were born or were too young after the collapse of the CCCP, the Berlin Wall and many other symptoms of national paranoia. Unfortunately, they are also not aware of the history. May I humbly suggest some of the following authors and books to get some idea of what it was like (and could I request others of the period, from those who understand):


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_le_Carré
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_Smiley

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anthony_Price

calum

https://twitter.com/SJAMcBride/status/971862363556270086

Ishmael_Z

Elliot said:

Ishmael_Z said:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-43337951

While our attention is misdirected Eastwards, the real villain goes to work...

Trump is terrible, but suggesting he's as bad as Putin is insane. The left has lost its mind.

And that's before we get to the conspiracy theory part of your comment...

I was not of the left, on most metrics, last time I looked, and my comment was very slightly <100% serious.

Scott_P

https://twitter.com/faisalislam/status/971864761691492353

Sunil_Prasannan

MikeSmithson said:

Sunil_Prasannan said:

3rd like the LDs

At least that's better than 4th

Hey, Mike. May the 4th be with you!

MikeSmithson

OchEye said:

Copied from previous thread:

Too many here, have very little understanding of the Cold War. Quite honestly, that is a good thing because they were born or were too young after the collapse of the CCCP, the Berlin Wall and many other symptoms of national paranoia. Unfortunately, they are also not aware of the history. May I humbly suggest some of the following authors and books to get some idea of what it was like (and could I request others of the period, from those who understand):


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_le_Carré
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_Smiley

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anthony_Price

Agreed. I always think that Anthony Price is under-rated

Sean_F

ThomasNashe said:

Who on earth wrote that second option? That the media likes to sensationalise issues where sex is involved is surely beyond dispute - but it does not then follow that sexual harassment is a problem that has been exaggerated and matters less than has been made out. In other words it is quite possible to discern the quality of lurid prurience in the way the doings of the abominable Weinstein have been reported, without being any the less horrified by the events themselves.

I'd say that both statements are true, rather than one ruling out the other.

It's somewhat similar to child sexual abuse. It is a real problem in all societies, and at the same time, many claims of child sexual abuse are unfounded and/or sensationalist.

Gardenwalker

So Trump has formally signed off the tariffs, which apply to US.

Do you rememver, just 48 hours ago, when some were chortling that this would teach those pesky Germans?

Historian

Again we have a very biased subtle attack on leavers. The finding of this poll are interpreted and presented as leavers per se having a poor attitude towards sexual harrassment as if somehow Brexit will lead to women being groped like never before.

Sexual harrassment and Brexit are therefore conflated misleadingly-as part of the ongoing propaganda against leavers.

The reality is that older people (who just happen to be leavers in larger numbers than the rest of the population) are less concerned about sexual harrassment because when they were younger it was more socially acceptable.

Nothing to do with Brexit at all

Floater

Elliot said:

Ishmael_Z said:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-43337951

While our attention is misdirected Eastwards, the real villain goes to work...

Trump is terrible, but suggesting he's as bad as Putin is insane. The left has lost its mind.

And that's before we get to the conspiracy theory part of your comment...

Exactly - scratches head in bemusement

Sean_F

Historian said:

Again we have a very biased subtle attack on leavers. The finding of this poll are interpreted and presented as leavers per se having a poor attitude towards sexual harrassment as if somehow Brexit will lead to women being groped like never before.

Sexual harrassment and Brexit are therefore conflated misleadingly-as part of the ongoing propaganda against leavers.

The reality is that older people (who just happen to be leavers in larger numbers than the rest of the population) are less concerned about sexual harrassment because when they were younger it was more socially acceptable.

Nothing to do with Brexit at all

Reading the details of the poll, it actually looks as if older people are a bit more bothered about sexual harassment/inequality than younger people, but the differences across ages and classes are not very great.

Ishmael_Z

Floater said:

Elliot said:

Ishmael_Z said:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-43337951

While our attention is misdirected Eastwards, the real villain goes to work...

Trump is terrible, but suggesting he's as bad as Putin is insane. The left has lost its mind.

And that's before we get to the conspiracy theory part of your comment...

Exactly - scratches head in bemusement

Did IQs just drop sharply while I was away? - Ellen Ripley.

Floater

Gardenwalker said:

So Trump has formally signed off the tariffs, which apply to US.

Do you rememver, just 48 hours ago, when some were chortling that this would teach those pesky Germans?

All I remember is people agreeing a trade war would be bad.

Nigelb

MikeSmithson said:

OchEye said:

Copied from previous thread:

Too many here, have very little understanding of the Cold War. Quite honestly, that is a good thing because they were born or were too young after the collapse of the CCCP, the Berlin Wall and many other symptoms of national paranoia. Unfortunately, they are also not aware of the history. May I humbly suggest some of the following authors and books to get some idea of what it was like (and could I request others of the period, from those who understand):


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_le_Carré
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_Smiley

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anthony_Price

Agreed. I always think that Anthony Price is under-rated

Some of his books were quote good, but he had a tendency towards foolish romanticisation. And an obsession with WWII rather than the Cold War itself.

I preferred Brian Fremantle's Charlie Muffin books.

Nigelb

OchEye said:

Copied from previous thread:

Too many here, have very little understanding of the Cold War. Quite honestly, that is a good thing because they were born or were too young after the collapse of the CCCP, the Berlin Wall and many other symptoms of national paranoia...

Do you mean symptoms - or symbols ?
Though neither make a huge amount of sense in the context.

rcs1000

Gardenwalker said:

So Trump has formally signed off the tariffs, which apply to US.

Do you rememver, just 48 hours ago, when some were chortling that this would teach those pesky Germans?

If the EU has any sense - which it probably does not - it will ignore the tariffs, and enjoy the inevitable rise in car exports that is the consequence of the Americans government having priced local firms out of the market.

(Any US car maker undecided between Alabama and Mexico for their next car plant now knows that if they choose Mexico, they will avoid steel tariffs, so it is almost inevitable that these tariffs will also reduce investment in the US auto industry).

MikeSmithson

Historian said:

Again we have a very biased subtle attack on leavers. The finding of this poll are interpreted and presented as leavers per se having a poor attitude towards sexual harrassment as if somehow Brexit will lead to women being groped like never before.

Sexual harrassment and Brexit are therefore conflated misleadingly-as part of the ongoing propaganda against leavers.

The reality is that older people (who just happen to be leavers in larger numbers than the rest of the population) are less concerned about sexual harrassment because when they were younger it was more socially acceptable.

Nothing to do with Brexit at all

If the cap fits then wear it. If you don't like coming here you don't have to.

rpjs

rcs1000 said:

Gardenwalker said:

So Trump has formally signed off the tariffs, which apply to US.

Do you rememver, just 48 hours ago, when some were chortling that this would teach those pesky Germans?

If the EU has any sense - which it probably does not - it will ignore the tariffs, and enjoy the inevitable rise in car exports that is the consequence of the Americans government having priced local firms out of the market.

(Any US car maker undecided between Alabama and Mexico for their next car plant now knows that if they choose Mexico, they will avoid steel tariffs, so it is almost inevitable that these tariffs will also reduce investment in the US auto industry).

Except that they would logically expect Trump to impose similar tariffs on the cars they manufacture in Mexico.

Pulpstar

Gardenwalker said:

So Trump has formally signed off the tariffs, which apply to US.

Do you rememver, just 48 hours ago, when some were chortling that this would teach those pesky Germans?

It affects the US the most to be perfectly frank.

Y0kel

Apparently there is going to be some kind of internationally newsworthy announcement by South Korea about midnight our time.

Edit: This is according to Donald Trump....

Nigelb

rcs1000 said:

Gardenwalker said:

So Trump has formally signed off the tariffs, which apply to US.

Do you rememver, just 48 hours ago, when some were chortling that this would teach those pesky Germans?

If the EU has any sense - which it probably does not - it will ignore the tariffs, and enjoy the inevitable rise in car exports that is the consequence of the Americans government having priced local firms out of the market.

(Any US car maker undecided between Alabama and Mexico for their next car plant now knows that if they choose Mexico, they will avoid steel tariffs, so it is almost inevitable that these tariffs will also reduce investment in the US auto industry).

I think you know the answer to that from our Brexit negotiations - there are 'principles at stake'. So don't expect such restraint.

rcs1000

rpjs said:

rcs1000 said:

Gardenwalker said:

So Trump has formally signed off the tariffs, which apply to US.

Do you rememver, just 48 hours ago, when some were chortling that this would teach those pesky Germans?

If the EU has any sense - which it probably does not - it will ignore the tariffs, and enjoy the inevitable rise in car exports that is the consequence of the Americans government having priced local firms out of the market.

(Any US car maker undecided between Alabama and Mexico for their next car plant now knows that if they choose Mexico, they will avoid steel tariffs, so it is almost inevitable that these tariffs will also reduce investment in the US auto industry).

Except that they would logically expect Trump to impose similar tariffs on the cars they manufacture in Mexico.

The inevitable next step is that the US government will increase the tariffs on cars to compensate for the fact that he's just made European, Mexican, Japanese and Canadian cars relatively cheaper.

At that point the real risk of a trade war kicks off.

TGOHF

https://twitter.com/tobybaxendale/status/971780516319031297?s=21

rcs1000

Nigelb said:

rcs1000 said:

Gardenwalker said:

So Trump has formally signed off the tariffs, which apply to US.

Do you rememver, just 48 hours ago, when some were chortling that this would teach those pesky Germans?

If the EU has any sense - which it probably does not - it will ignore the tariffs, and enjoy the inevitable rise in car exports that is the consequence of the Americans government having priced local firms out of the market.

(Any US car maker undecided between Alabama and Mexico for their next car plant now knows that if they choose Mexico, they will avoid steel tariffs, so it is almost inevitable that these tariffs will also reduce investment in the US auto industry).

I think you know the answer to that from our Brexit negotiations - there are 'principles at stake'. So don't expect such restraint.

Ultimately, the US (like the UK) runs a trade deficit because its population spends too much and saves too little.

A trade deficit is the excess of consumption over production.

The only way to close a trade deficit is is to reduce domestic consumption.

Yet Donald Trump's policies attempt to encourage a domestic spending boom, which can only increase the trade deficit. The Donald is likely, therefore, to be continually frustrated by the fact that his tariffs fail to close the trade gap.

Foxy

MikeSmithson said:

Historian said:

Again we have a very biased subtle attack on leavers. The finding of this poll are interpreted and presented as leavers per se having a poor attitude towards sexual harrassment as if somehow Brexit will lead to women being groped like never before.

Sexual harrassment and Brexit are therefore conflated misleadingly-as part of the ongoing propaganda against leavers.

The reality is that older people (who just happen to be leavers in larger numbers than the rest of the population) are less concerned about sexual harrassment because when they were younger it was more socially acceptable.

Nothing to do with Brexit at all

If the cap fits then wear it. If you don't like coming here you don't have to.

To be fair the traits of Tory voting, Male identification, Brexit voting and age are all correlated, so it is hard to tease out the driver. Males under 40 had views similar to females under 40, so appears not to be the driver so much as the other factors.

The discussion on here re the Presidents Club illustrated this point quite well at a micro level.

GIN1138

Scott_P said:

https://twitter.com/adambertocci/status/971850276700377088

Is The Donald Darth Sidious though?

Y0kel

Sorry, did I just read the headline of the last thread correctly?

Get real. The vast majority of the public neither know or care about some spending overshoot. Its the preserve of politicos who believe who believe that the UK leaving the EU is some kind of life or death struggle. It isn't.

If, especially given recent events, someone delves into the sources financing of some of the more prominent leave campaigners and campaigns, you might have something slightly more concerning to the masses. Heres looking at you, Moldovan bank.

Sunil_Prasannan

GIN1138 said:

Scott_P said:

https://twitter.com/adambertocci/status/971850276700377088

Is The Donald Darth Sidious though?

TSE:[distressed] What have I done?

Darth Gideon (aka Chancellor Osborne): You are fulfilling your destiny, TSE. Become my apprentice. Learn to use the Daft Side of the Force. There's no turning back now.

TSE: I will do whatever you ask. Just help me save Theresa's political career. I can't live without her. If she resigns, I don't know what I will do regarding "May is crap" threads!

Darth Gideon: To cheat political osbcurity is a power only one has achieved through centuries of the study of the Force. But if we work together, I know we can discover the secret to eternal AV Threads!

TSE: I pledge myself to your teachings. To the ways of the REMAIN Campaign.

Darth Gideon: Good. Good! The Force is strong with you, TSE. A powerful REMAINER you will become. Henceforth, you shall be known as Darth... Eagles.

TSE: Thank you... my Master.

Darth Gideon: Lord Eagles... rise.

El_Capitano

https://twitter.com/BBCNewsnight/status/971876131048775680

TGOHF

https://twitter.com/bbcnewsnight/status/971876131048775680?s=21

brendan16

Some polling today from the US has the Democrats losing five of their existing Senate seats in November's mid terms - Missouri, North Dakota, Montana, Indiana, and West Virginia. Early days - and most states haven't yet picked their candidates for the Republicans - but it was always a big ask for the Dems to retake the senate when they are defending 24 of the 33 seats up.

https://www.cnbc.com/2018/03/08/democrats-heading-toward-big-losses-in-midterm-senate-elections-polls.html

Nigelb

rcs1000 said:

Nigelb said:

rcs1000 said:

Gardenwalker said:

So Trump has formally signed off the tariffs, which apply to US.

Do you rememver, just 48 hours ago, when some were chortling that this would teach those pesky Germans?

If the EU has any sense - which it probably does not - it will ignore the tariffs, and enjoy the inevitable rise in car exports that is the consequence of the Americans government having priced local firms out of the market.

(Any US car maker undecided between Alabama and Mexico for their next car plant now knows that if they choose Mexico, they will avoid steel tariffs, so it is almost inevitable that these tariffs will also reduce investment in the US auto industry).

I think you know the answer to that from our Brexit negotiations - there are 'principles at stake'. So don't expect such restraint.

Ultimately, the US (like the UK) runs a trade deficit because its population spends too much and saves too little.

A trade deficit is the excess of consumption over production.

The only way to close a trade deficit is is to reduce domestic consumption.

Yet Donald Trump's policies attempt to encourage a domestic spending boom, which can only increase the trade deficit. The Donald is likely, therefore, to be continually frustrated by the fact that his tariffs fail to close the trade gap.

Trump is a guy who thinks VAT is a trade barrier (as do his un resigned economic advisers). And he has been over borrowed almost his entire life.

I don't think your point of view is likely to get much traction.

GIN1138

Sunil_Prasannan said:

GIN1138 said:

Scott_P said:

https://twitter.com/adambertocci/status/971850276700377088

Is The Donald Darth Sidious though?

TSE:[distressed] What have I done?

Darth Gideon (aka Chancellor Osborne): You are fulfilling your destiny, TSE. Become my apprentice. Learn to use the Daft Side of the Force. There's no turning back now.

TSE: I will do whatever you ask. Just help me save Theresa's political career. I can't live without her. If she resigns, I don't know what I will do regarding "May is crap" threads!

Darth Gideon: To cheat political osbcurity is a power only one has achieved through centuries of the study of the Force. But if we work together, I know we can discover the secret to eternal AV Threads!

TSE: I pledge myself to your teachings. To the ways of the REMAIN Campaign.

Darth Gideon: Good. Good! The Force is strong with you, TSE. A powerful REMAINER you will become. Henceforth, you shall be known as Darth... Eagles.

TSE: Thank you... my Master.

Darth Gideon: Lord Eagles... rise.

GIN1138

El_Capitano said:

https://twitter.com/BBCNewsnight/status/971876131048775680

What's the little guy done now?

Nigelb

A second trial date for Manafort, this time July:
https://www.politico.com/story/2018/03/08/judge-in-virginia-schedules-manafort-trial-on-bank-tax-charges-for-july-10-448114?lo=ap_b1

So likely to provide interesting news for four solid months ahead of the midterms...

not_on_fire

On Britain and the EU...

https://twitter.com/mattholehouse/status/971362249343406081?s=21

GIN1138

I note the last time U.S.A. started imposing tariff's there was a world within ten years...

Not a good omen perhaps?

GIN1138

not_on_fire said:

On Britain and the EU...

https://twitter.com/mattholehouse/status/971362249343406081?s=21

LOl! That is quite a funny line.

OchEye

rcs1000 said:

Nigelb said:

rcs1000 said:

Gardenwalker said:

So Trump has formally signed off the tariffs, which apply to US.

Do you rememver, just 48 hours ago, when some were chortling that this would teach those pesky Germans?

If the EU has any sense -.

I think you know the answer to that from our Brexit negotiations - there are 'principles at stake'. So don't expect such restraint.

Ultimately, the US (like the UK) runs a trade deficit because its population spends too much and saves too little.

A trade deficit is the excess of consumption over production.

The only way to close a trade deficit is is to reduce domestic consumption.

Yet Donald Trump's policies attempt to encourage a domestic spending boom, which can only increase the trade deficit. The Donald is likely, therefore, to be continually frustrated by the fact that his tariffs fail to close the trade gap.

rcs1000 said:

Nigelb said:

rcs1000 said:

Gardenwalker said:

So Trump has formally signed off the tariffs, which apply to US.

Do you rememver, just 48 hours ago, when some were chortling that this would teach those pesky Germans?

If the EU has any sense - which it probably does not - it will ignore the tariffs, and enjoy the inevitable rise in car exports that is the consequence of the Americans government having priced local firms out of the market.

(Any US car maker undecided between Alabama and Mexico for their next car plant now knows that if they choose Mexico, they will avoid steel tariffs, so it is almost inevitable that these tariffs will also reduce investment in the US auto industry).

I think you know the answer to that from our Brexit negotiations - there are 'principles at stake'. So don't expect such restraint.

Ultimately, the US (like the UK) runs a trade deficit because its population spends too much and saves too little.

A trade deficit is the excess of consumption over production.

The only way to close a trade deficit is is to reduce domestic consumption.

Yet Donald Trump's policies attempt to encourage a domestic spending boom, which can only increase the trade deficit. The Donald is likely, therefore, to be continually frustrated by the fact that his tariffs fail to close the trade gap.

Saving only becomes worthwhile when interest rates exceed inflation rates, when the reverse is true, then it is better to spend before the value decreases...

Y0kel

Nixon-China

Trump-North Korea

We'll know at midnight if its an apt comparison.

Edit: Probably not

OchEye

Elliot said:

Ishmael_Z said:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-43337951

While our attention is misdirected Eastwards, the real villain goes to work...

Trump is terrible, but suggesting he's as bad as Putin is insane. The left has lost its mind.

And that's before we get to the conspiracy theory part of your comment...

Trump is insane, Putin unfortunately is too sane....

OchEye

GIN1138 said:

I note the last time U.S.A. started imposing tariff's there was a world within ten years...

Not a good omen perhaps?

GIN1138 said:

I note the last time U.S.A. started imposing tariff's there was a world within ten years...

Not a good omen perhaps?

GIN1138 said:

I note the last time U.S.A. started imposing tariff's there was a world within ten years...

Not a good omen perhaps?

Except if you have shares in weapons manufacturers...

Nigelb

OchEye said:

Elliot said:

Ishmael_Z said:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-43337951

While our attention is misdirected Eastwards, the real villain goes to work...

Trump is terrible, but suggesting he's as bad as Putin is insane. The left has lost its mind.

And that's before we get to the conspiracy theory part of your comment...

Trump is insane, Putin unfortunately is too sane....

And Trump incompetent, Putin not:
https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2018/03/trump-is-following-the-same-playbook-as-other-authoritarian-populists-hes-just-much-worse-at-it.html?

Mortimer

Did someone actually tip Pidcock recently for future Labour leader recently - she seems to be waffling away on QT. Makes Corbyn sound pretty cogent and competent.

Floater

GIN1138 said:

I note the last time U.S.A. started imposing tariff's there was a world within ten years...

Not a good omen perhaps?

The thought had crossed my mind - this is like the 30's in a number of ways

Nigelb

not_on_fire said:

On Britain and the EU...

https://twitter.com/mattholehouse/status/971362249343406081?s=21

Good snark - but it's not as though the EU doesn't have its own similar self serving demands of us.

OchEye

Nigelb said:

OchEye said:

Copied from previous thread:

Too many here, have very little understanding of the Cold War. Quite honestly, that is a good thing because they were born or were too young after the collapse of the CCCP, the Berlin Wall and many other symptoms of national paranoia...

Do you mean symptoms - or symbols ?
Though neither make a huge amount of sense in the context.

Symptoms, the symbols are still being held onto by a significant minority against all common sense. There are still some in the UK who believe we still have an empire on which the sun never sets...

El_Capitano

https://twitter.com/britainelects/status/971885311809740800

OchEye

Nigelb said:

OchEye said:

Elliot said:

Ishmael_Z said:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-43337951

While our attention is misdirected Eastwards, the real villain goes to work...

Trump is terrible, but suggesting he's as bad as Putin is insane. The left has lost its mind.

And that's before we get to the conspiracy theory part of your comment...

Trump is insane, Putin unfortunately is too sane....

And Trump incompetent, Putin not:
https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2018/03/trump-is-following-the-same-playbook-as-other-authoritarian-populists-hes-just-much-worse-at-it.html?

+1

Sunil_Prasannan

OchEye said:

Nigelb said:

OchEye said:

Copied from previous thread:

Too many here, have very little understanding of the Cold War. Quite honestly, that is a good thing because they were born or were too young after the collapse of the CCCP, the Berlin Wall and many other symptoms of national paranoia...

Do you mean symptoms - or symbols ?
Though neither make a huge amount of sense in the context.

Symptoms, the symbols are still being held onto by a significant minority against all common sense. There are still some in the UK who believe we still have an empire on which the sun never sets...

Will the sun ever set on the EU?

Mortimer

Mortimer said:

Did someone actually tip Pidcock recently for future Labour leader recently - she seems to be waffling away on QT. Makes Corbyn sound pretty cogent and competent.

Gosh, she is getting worse.

OchEye

Nigelb said:

A second trial date for Manafort, this time July:
https://www.politico.com/story/2018/03/08/judge-in-virginia-schedules-manafort-trial-on-bank-tax-charges-for-july-10-448114?lo=ap_b1

So likely to provide interesting news for four solid months ahead of the midterms...

The net is closing on The Donald,

https://www.salon.com/2018/03/01/beware-president-trump-robert-mueller-is-just-getting-started/

Nigelb

OchEye said:

Nigelb said:

OchEye said:

Copied from previous thread:

Too many here, have very little understanding of the Cold War. Quite honestly, that is a good thing because they were born or were too young after the collapse of the CCCP, the Berlin Wall and many other symptoms of national paranoia...

Do you mean symptoms - or symbols ?
Though neither make a huge amount of sense in the context.

Symptoms, the symbols are still being held onto by a significant minority against all common sense. There are still some in the UK who believe we still have an empire on which the sun never sets...

Yes, sorry. Rereading it makes more sense... I was wondering how the CCCP was a symptom.

OchEye

Scott_P said:

https://twitter.com/thistlejohn/status/971859666790768647

For some time I thought Paris was the same sex as Paris Hilton, and I still cannot pronounce his surname...

OchEye

Sunil_Prasannan said:

OchEye said:

Nigelb said:

OchEye said:

Copied from previous thread:

Too many here, have very little understanding of the Cold War. Quite honestly, that is a good thing because they were born or were too young after the collapse of the CCCP, the Berlin Wall and many other symptoms of national paranoia...

Do you mean symptoms - or symbols ?
Though neither make a huge amount of sense in the context.

Symptoms, the symbols are still being held onto by a significant minority against all common sense. There are still some in the UK who believe we still have an empire on which the sun never sets...

Will the sun ever set on the EU?

Probably, about the time it joins NAFTA, ASEAN, Africa and South America in a world trade organisation....

Y0kel

Y0kel said:

Nixon-China

Trump-North Korea

We'll know at midnight if its an apt comparison.

Edit: Probably not

Another edit: Rumour has it it might be an apt comparison.

OchEye

Nigelb said:

OchEye said:

Nigelb said:

OchEye said:

Copied from previous thread:

Too many here, have very little understanding of the Cold War. Quite honestly, that is a good thing because they were born or were too young after the collapse of the CCCP, the Berlin Wall and many other symptoms of national paranoia...

Do you mean symptoms - or symbols ?
Though neither make a huge amount of sense in the context.

Symptoms, the symbols are still being held onto by a significant minority against all common sense. There are still some in the UK who believe we still have an empire on which the sun never sets...

Yes, sorry. Rereading it makes more sense... I was wondering how the CCCP was a symptom.

Back in the USSR...

williamglenn

Y0kel said:

Y0kel said:

Nixon-China

Trump-North Korea

We'll know at midnight if its an apt comparison.

Edit: Probably not

Another edit: Rumour has it it might be an apt comparison.

https://twitter.com/JenGriffinFNC/status/971887659315613696

NickPalmer

Y0kel said:

Y0kel said:

Nixon-China

Trump-North Korea

We'll know at midnight if its an apt comparison.

Edit: Probably not

Another edit: Rumour has it it might be an apt comparison.

Seems logical. He likes to tweet surprises - not much point in another North Korea is Evil tweet. I expect he wants to claim credit for the talks, which is at leat better than storming off in a huff about them.

Edit: and there you go. If correctly reported, he can reasonably claim success.

Y0kel

NickPalmer said:

Y0kel said:

Y0kel said:

Nixon-China

Trump-North Korea

We'll know at midnight if its an apt comparison.

Edit: Probably not

Another edit: Rumour has it it might be an apt comparison.

Seems logical. He likes to tweet surprises - not much point in another North Korea is Evil tweet. I expect he wants to claim credit for the talks, which is at leat better than storming off in a huff about them.

He didn't tweet about it, he came out to the press gallery and said it.

The story is the South Koreans are doing the announcement at the White House where they've dropped in to pass on the Kim letter. As much as I loathe the corrupt git, he may have something to claim credit for.

rcs1000

brendan16 said:

Some polling today from the US has the Democrats losing five of their existing Senate seats in November's mid terms - Missouri, North Dakota, Montana, Indiana, and West Virginia. Early days - and most states haven't yet picked their candidates for the Republicans - but it was always a big ask for the Dems to retake the senate when they are defending 24 of the 33 seats up.

https://www.cnbc.com/2018/03/08/democrats-heading-toward-big-losses-in-midterm-senate-elections-polls.html

Given how Red some of the states up this time around, this shouldn't be a big surprise.

My personal guess is that North Dakota, where the "at large" Congressman Cramer is near certain to be the Republican nominee is aRepublican pick-up. I can't see Claire McCaskill hanging on in Missouri, and Montana is one of the most Republican states in the country.

West Virginia is a slightly harder one to call. I wouldn't be surprised if Manchin holds on, even in a state where Trump has a 65% approval rating. (Democrat Richard Ojeda is leading in the polls in the Third Congressional District there, a district which voted Trump over Clinton 75-24.)

The Democrats should be reasonably hopeful of picking up Nevada. It continues to trend blue, and in a low turnout year, they'll probably pinch it. (If the Republicans pick Joe Arpiao in Arizona, then that seat is probably under threat too. I don't expect them to be that stupid, mind.)

williamglenn

https://twitter.com/britainelects/status/971891803510202368

GIN1138

Mark Pritchard MP, Paul Farrelly MP and John Bercow MP all named as bullies towards female clarks in tonight's Newnight expose...

Speaker Bercow apparently left one woman with post traumatic stress disorder in 2011...

Have a look here

https://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/b09vffwd/newsnight-08032018

rcs1000

OchEye said:

Saving only becomes worthwhile when interest rates exceed inflation rates, when the reverse is true, then it is better to spend before the value decreases...

People in Germany and Switzerland save, even though those countries have lower interest rates than the UK or the US.

But yes, the best way to encourage saving is to make money worth more in the future than now.

Foxy

williamglenn said:

https://twitter.com/britainelects/status/971891803510202368

Dirty sleazy Tories on the slide...

FrancisUrquhart

GIN1138 said:

Mark Pritchard MP, Paul Farrelly MP and John Bercow MP all named as bullies towards female clarks in tonight's Newnight expose...

Speaker Bercow apparently left one woman with post traumatic stress disorder in 2011...

Have a look here

https://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/b09vffwd/newsnight-08032018

Are we shocked at any of those names? Farrelly for one has been involved in a number of incidents.

GIN1138

FrancisUrquhart said:

GIN1138 said:

Mark Pritchard MP, Paul Farrelly MP and John Bercow MP all named as bullies towards female clarks in tonight's Newnight expose...

Speaker Bercow apparently left one woman with post traumatic stress disorder in 2011...

Have a look here

https://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/b09vffwd/newsnight-08032018

Are we shocked at any of those names?

Will be interesting to see if the floodgates open against Speaker Bercow now.

The tide could be about to rise over his head...

williamglenn

Even more striking. UKIP->Lab huge swing in the Medway.
https://twitter.com/britainelects/status/971894222231166978

philiph

GIN1138 said:

FrancisUrquhart said:

GIN1138 said:

Mark Pritchard MP, Paul Farrelly MP and John Bercow MP all named as bullies towards female clarks in tonight's Newnight expose...

Speaker Bercow apparently left one woman with post traumatic stress disorder in 2011...

Have a look here

https://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/b09vffwd/newsnight-08032018

Are we shocked at any of those names?

Will be interesting to see if the floodgates open against Speaker Bercow now.

The tide could be about to rise over his head...

Just a low tide then

Foxy

FrancisUrquhart said:

GIN1138 said:

Mark Pritchard MP, Paul Farrelly MP and John Bercow MP all named as bullies towards female clarks in tonight's Newnight expose...

Speaker Bercow apparently left one woman with post traumatic stress disorder in 2011...

Have a look here

https://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/b09vffwd/newsnight-08032018

Are we shocked at any of those names? Farrelly for one has been involved in a number of incidents.

Not heard of the other two, but Bercow has always been a little cocky.

Cookie

OchEye said:

Nigelb said:

OchEye said:

Copied from previous thread:

Too many here, have very little understanding of the Cold War. Quite honestly, that is a good thing because they were born or were too young after the collapse of the CCCP, the Berlin Wall and many other symptoms of national paranoia...

Do you mean symptoms - or symbols ?
Though neither make a huge amount of sense in the context.

Symptoms, the symbols are still being held onto by a significant minority against all common sense. There are still some in the UK who believe we still have an empire on which the sun never sets...

*A pedant notes* I think, technically, that we do. In terms of numbers and geographical distribution of overseas territories, I think the British empire is still the largest in the world.

I'mnot suggesting that Pucairm, the Falkland Islands, the Turks and Caicos etc are necessarily going to see us through the choppy waters of the early 21st century. But still - the sun does not set on the British Empire.

While I'm on about that sort of thing - and this point is aimed at no-one here in particular - nor are we 'just some small islands of North West Europe' - Great Britain is by any measure a pretty large usland, ranking in the top 10 of islands worldwide in both area and population.

I make no politucal point here, just a geographic one.

FrancisUrquhart

Foxy said:

FrancisUrquhart said:

GIN1138 said:

Mark Pritchard MP, Paul Farrelly MP and John Bercow MP all named as bullies towards female clarks in tonight's Newnight expose...

Speaker Bercow apparently left one woman with post traumatic stress disorder in 2011...

Have a look here

https://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/b09vffwd/newsnight-08032018

Are we shocked at any of those names? Farrelly for one has been involved in a number of incidents.

Not heard of the other two, but Bercow has always been a little cocky.

Farrelly has had a number of punch ups over the past few years.

Big_G_NorthWales

williamglenn said:

Even more striking. UKIP->Lab huge swing in the Medway.
https://twitter.com/britainelects/status/971894222231166978

Council tax bills coming out plus building on green belt

AndyJS

Spectacular gain for Labour in Rochester West on a 15% swing. The ward includes the cathedral, the castle and the old town.

Floater

https://order-order.com/2018/03/08/bercow-accused-bullying-female-secretary-signed-off-ptsd/

FrancisUrquhart

Floater said:

https://order-order.com/2018/03/08/bercow-accused-bullying-female-secretary-signed-off-ptsd/

"Bercow even had Emms painted out of his official portrait."

What a sad little man.

El_Capitano

Not a great night for the Conservatives in the locals:

https://twitter.com/britainelects/status/971895251857272832

(Rutland politics are weird.)

Foxy

https://twitter.com/britainelects/status/971895251857272832

FWIW, I don't know what the IND stood for, but a lot of resentment of overbuilding in Oakham.

AndyJS

The Rutland seat was split between Con and Ind before.

AndyJS

Labour lose a seat in Bolton, the second time that's happened in a few weeks. Apparently the council is very unpopular.

Floater

FrancisUrquhart said:

Floater said:

https://order-order.com/2018/03/08/bercow-accused-bullying-female-secretary-signed-off-ptsd/

"Bercow even had Emms painted out of his official portrait."

What a sad little man.

Certainly a huge ego

AndyJS

Floater said:

FrancisUrquhart said:

Floater said:

https://order-order.com/2018/03/08/bercow-accused-bullying-female-secretary-signed-off-ptsd/

"Bercow even had Emms painted out of his official portrait."

What a sad little man.

Certainly a huge ego

He should have retired a couple of years ago when he was popular with almost everyone.

OchEye

Cookie said:

OchEye said:

Nigelb said:

OchEye said:

Copied from previous thread:

Too many here, have very little understanding of the Cold War. Quite honestly, that is a good thing because they were born or were too young after the collapse of the CCCP, the Berlin Wall and many other symptoms of national paranoia...

Do you mean symptoms - or symbols ?
Though neither make a huge amount of sense in the context.

Symptoms, the symbols are still being held onto by a significant minority against all common sense. There are still some in the UK who believe we still have an empire on which the sun never sets...

*A pedant notes* I think, technically, that we do. In terms of numbers and geographical distribution of overseas territories, I think the British empire is still the largest in the world.

I'mnot suggesting that Pucairm, the Falkland Islands, the Turks and Caicos etc are necessarily going to see us through the choppy waters of the early 21st century. But still - the sun does not set on the British Empire.

While I'm on about that sort of thing - and this point is aimed at no-one here in particular - nor are we 'just some small islands of North West Europe' - Great Britain is by any measure a pretty large usland, ranking in the top 10 of islands worldwide in both area and population.

I make no politucal point here, just a geographic one.

Ah, but then again, we will be sending in the SAS to retake Africa, India and Pakistan, Australia, Canada, Burma, Malaya, Hong Kong, Singapore, gunboats up the Yangtse and finally the USA.........;-)

oxfordsimon

AndyJS said:

Floater said:

FrancisUrquhart said:

Floater said:

https://order-order.com/2018/03/08/bercow-accused-bullying-female-secretary-signed-off-ptsd/

"Bercow even had Emms painted out of his official portrait."

What a sad little man.

Certainly a huge ego

He should have retired a couple of years ago when he was popular with almost everyone.

His ego is too big to allow him to consider that he was ever in the wrong about anything.

They will have to drag him kicking and screaming out of the chair sadly. Odious little man that he is.

tpfkar

What a night for the Tories in the local by-elections. Defending 5, 2 looked marginal and 3 very safe, and they've lost every single one.

GIN1138

Donald Trump to meet Kim Jong-Un by May...

https://news.sky.com/story/live-south-koreas-announcement-on-north-korea-11281879

williamglenn

Cookie said:

*A pedant notes* I think, technically, that we do. In terms of numbers and geographical distribution of overseas territories, I think the British empire is still the largest in the world.

If you go by the size of oceanic exclusive economic zones, France is number one followed by the USA.

FrancisUrquhart

GIN1138 said:

Donald Trump to meet Kim Jong-Un by May...

https://news.sky.com/story/live-south-koreas-announcement-on-north-korea-11281879

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DtVBCG6ThDk

Sunil_Prasannan

Foxy said:

williamglenn said:

https://twitter.com/britainelects/status/971891803510202368

Dirty sleazy Tories on the slide...

Actually it's "broken, sleazy Tories on the slide..."

CarlottaVance

Well, if I voted for a party that had never had a permanent female leader, let alone two female Prime Ministers, and was in the middle of a harassment scandal, I might be more concerned about sexual harassment in the workplace too.....

kyf_100

Historian said:

Again we have a very biased subtle attack on leavers. The finding of this poll are interpreted and presented as leavers per se having a poor attitude towards sexual harrassment as if somehow Brexit will lead to women being groped like never before.

Sexual harrassment and Brexit are therefore conflated misleadingly-as part of the ongoing propaganda against leavers.

The reality is that older people (who just happen to be leavers in larger numbers than the rest of the population) are less concerned about sexual harrassment because when they were younger it was more socially acceptable.

Nothing to do with Brexit at all

Also plenty of us young'uns are taking the red pill.

CarlottaVance

Hello fattie!

https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/929511061954297857