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Mr. Sandpit, outmanoeuvred suggests the failure was being outwitted, and, whilst that might be true, it only occurred because May put herself, needlessly and voluntarily, into such a weak position.0
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Ths history of such assassinations goes back to the cold war; this one became infamousAnorak said:
Like Dennis Hopper and the Russian Dynamite Death Chair Act. Which is a thing which actually happened, to my ongoing surprise.williamglenn said:
For the time being his position is safe. Our best hope is that Theresa May can hold it all together and make all the negative forces cancel each other out.Elliot said:
Not a good time to put an anti-Western activist as PM.Gardenwalker said:So,
We seem to have an attempted assassination on British soil by the Russians, and are on the eve of a trade war with the Americans.
“I’m just going outside the EU. I may be some time.”
Description (video broken): https://dangerousminds.net/comments/dennis_hopper_and_his
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Georgi_Markov
If I was Putin I'd be peeved at the UK's double standards:
hostility to Russia
brown-nosing China
They exhibit similar behaviour, although China recently abandoned the pretence that it elects its leader.0 -
A little surprising May continues to hold a lead, but of course it will not be unique to note that given last June no negative indicators will faze Corbyn or his team or his supporters anymore.
His rhetoric threatens the talks? I'd think there are plenty who share in that sin, and not all one one side at that. A certain EU president stating, in effect, there is no point negotiating (as that is 'cherry picking') springs to mind.Scott_P said:0 -
How do you come to that conclusion ? All the polls seem level pegging or in the margin of error.basicbridge said:The latest ICM poll for The Guardian suggests, in addition, that Corbyn's pledge on the Customs Union has been a tactical error.
That wont go down well with the legion of LD remainers on this site.0 -
I think there were additional questions in the poll.Yorkcity said:
How do you come to that conclusion ? All the polls seem level pegging or in the margin of error.basicbridge said:The latest ICM poll for The Guardian suggests, in addition, that Corbyn's pledge on the Customs Union has been a tactical error.
That wont go down well with the legion of LD remainers on this site.0 -
I was honestly quite impressed by parts of Rudd's performance, but it was a smart move by Corbyn. Sure he'd changed his tune on attending, but with the PM still not being there no one was going to care much about him u-turning, particularly since it was u-turning to engage more, not less.Benpointer said:
Well, she was certainly well and truly outmanoeuvered. Rudd did ok though IIRC.Sandpit said:
The debate was in Cambridge, and from memory the PM was in the West Country when Corbyn announced he would be there. She’d have needed a military helicopter to have made it, obviously hadn’t prepared for the debate, and as you say would have been seen as dancing to Corbyn’s tune. Those who protect her might have had something to say about it too.Benpointer said:
What tosh! Of course she could have changed her schedule and attended. I suspect two things prevented her: 1. She's just no good at that thinking-on-your-feet sort of thing. 2. It sould have looked like she was dancing to Corbyn's tune.Sandpit said:
Cynical but effective.oxfordsimon said:
And we have to remember that Corbyn did one of his cynical u-turns after first saying that he wouldn't attend a debate without May and then saying he would.rkrkrk said:
Yes - there's no way of knowing really.Danny565 said:
Also, I'm not entirely sure May skipping the debates was as much of a mistake as people say. Yes, it made her look chicken, but that's arguably better than her actually taking part in the debates, having a car-crash, and providing all sorts of "viral" clips that would've damaged her.
A disastrous performance would surely have been worse than simply not showing up.
At the time - she was so far ahead I can totally understand the logic (even if I hate the decision on a principles basis).
Labour didn’t name their attendee until after the Tories named Rudd a couple of days out, then announced with about four hours to go that it would be Corbyn. By that time the PM was miles away and wouldn’t have had time to get back and prepare. Unlike the LotO, the PM can’t change her schedule at short notice without a whole pile of hassle.
IIRC Farron warned us May might be outside our houses looking to take it from us when we got old and sick.0 -
That's certainly true. No one is saying she was difficult to outmanoeuvreMorris_Dancer said:Mr. Sandpit, outmanoeuvred suggests the failure was being outwitted, and, whilst that might be true, it only occurred because May put herself, needlessly and voluntarily, into such a weak position.
The surprise is JC didn't think to outmanoeuvre her for the 1st debate on 18th May.0 -
Confirmation bias, innit.Yorkcity said:
How do you come to that conclusion ? All the polls seem level pegging or in the margin of error.basicbridge said:The latest ICM poll for The Guardian suggests, in addition, that Corbyn's pledge on the Customs Union has been a tactical error.
That wont go down well with the legion of LD remainers on this site.0 -
Slightly ominous that the Guardian live blog on the Salisbury incident is talking about Sergei Skripal in the past tense... hopefully, that's just sloppy journalism.0
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'Lawyers think' is a pretty meaningless phrase, with all respect to that learned profession. Government lawyers thought parliament didn't need to be involved to activate A50, but they were wrong, as it turns out. And presumably in all but the most spurious and unethical of instances 'lawyers think' they might be right, but one set turn out wrong.Scott_P said:@Andrew_Adonis: I have tabled amendment to EU Withdrawal Bill to stop repeal of 2011 European Union Act, which requires referendums on EU treaty changes. Lawyers think 2011 Act may require referendum on Mrs May’s withdrawal treaty, which is why HMG trying to repeal it without anyone noticing!
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F1: many laps for Ferrari. Reliability at the sharp end looking pretty good. And whilst McLaren's had some problems, still better than the woe of last year.0
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The BBC report I read made the same point, in less partisan fashion.calum said:Guido spinning for Boris
https://order-order.com/2018/03/06/no-boris-didnt-say-england-might-pull-world-cup/0 -
Farron's performance was very poor tbf. I did end up voting LD (in a very safe Tory seat so my vote was alwayrs going to be wasted) because I know and like our LD candidate, but Farron nearly put me off.kle4 said:
I was honestly quite impressed by parts of Rudd's performance, but it was a smart move by Corbyn. Sure he'd changed his tune on attending, but with the PM still not being there no one was going to care much about him u-turning, particularly since it was u-turning to engage more, not less.Benpointer said:
Well, she was certainly well and truly outmanoeuvered. Rudd did ok though IIRC.Sandpit said:
The debate was in Cambridge, and from memory the PM was in the West Country when Corbyn announced he would be there. She’d have needed a military helicopter to have made it, obviously hadn’t prepared for the debate, and as you say would have been seen as dancing to Corbyn’s tune. Those who protect her might have had something to say about it too.Benpointer said:
What tosh! Of course she could have changed her schedule and attended. I suspect two things prevented her: 1. She's just no good at that thinking-on-your-feet sort of thing. 2. It sould have looked like she was dancing to Corbyn's tune.Sandpit said:
Cynical but effective.oxfordsimon said:
And we have to remember that Corbyn did one of his cynical u-turns after first saying that he wouldn't attend a debate without May and then saying he would.rkrkrk said:
Yes - there's no way of knowing really.Danny565 said:
Also, I'm not entirely sure May skipping the debates was as much of a mistake as people say. Yes, it made her look chicken, but that's arguably better than her actually taking part in the debates, having a car-crash, and providing all sorts of "viral" clips that would've damaged her.
A disastrous performance would surely have been worse than simply not showing up.
At the time - she was so far ahead I can totally understand the logic (even if I hate the decision on a principles basis).
Labour didn’t name their attendee until after the Tories named Rudd a couple of days out, then announced with about four hours to go that it would be Corbyn. By that time the PM was miles away and wouldn’t have had time to get back and prepare. Unlike the LotO, the PM can’t change her schedule at short notice without a whole pile of hassle.
IIRC Farron warned us May might be outside our houses looking to take it from us when we got old and sick.0 -
Yorkcity said:
How do you come to that conclusion ? All the polls seem level pegging or in the margin of error.basicbridge said:The latest ICM poll for The Guardian suggests, in addition, that Corbyn's pledge on the Customs Union has been a tactical error.
That wont go down well with the legion of LD remainers on this site.
"Jeremy Corbyn and Labour have the one positive net score in this poll, with one percent point more of the British public thinking that Corbyn and Labour’s Brexit policy is clearer than it was before (net score = 1%). This compares favourably with Theresa May and the government’s equivalent net score, which is on -5%.
However, Corbynites shouldn’t see this as a cause for celebration, as whilst his and his party’s position may now be marginally more clear, it’s equally apparent that the public are not enamoured with it. On balance the British public do not think that Corbyn and Labour’s aims in Brexit negotiations are realistic (net score = -11%) or approve of their Brexit policy overall (net score = -13%)."
Source : ICM/Guardian0 -
On topic, this is driven more by Jeremy Corbyn than Theresa May. He has his hyperloyal support. That makes many forget just how loathed he is by many.0
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16-1 sounds pretty good for someone who's pretty unfit, in their late 70s and in a very stressful job.Tissue_Price said:
Three 50/1s = 16/1. His re-election is about 2/1. So you're essentially taking around 5/1 that he goes during (most of) his second term, having been popular enough to be re-elected (possibly having already seen off impeachment?). It's probably fair enough, but not screaming value.Sandpit said:
Those three 50s are worth a pint.Scott_P said:
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I usually vote LD, but in addition to the Corbyn factor the local LDs put zero effort in (partly to focus on a winnable seat, successfully, partly I'd guess due to much effort to no reward in the locals), so they certainly didn't deserve my vote.Benpointer said:
Farron's performance was very poor tbf. I did end up voting LD (in a very safe Tory seat so my vote was alwayrs going to be wasted) because I know and like our LD candidate, but Farron nearly put me off.kle4 said:
I was honestly quite impressed by parts of Rudd's performance, but it was a smart move by Corbyn. Sure he'd changed his tune on attending, but with the PM still not being there no one was going to care much about him u-turning, particularly since it was u-turning to engage more, not less.Benpointer said:
Well, she was certainly well and truly outmanoeuvered. Rudd did ok though IIRC.Sandpit said:
The debate was in Cambridge, and from memory tBenpointer said:
What tosh! Of course she con's tune.Sandpit said:
Cynical but effective.oxfordsimon said:
And we have to remember that Corbyn did one of his cynical u-turns after first saying that he wouldn't attend a debate without May and then saying he would.rkrkrk said:
Yes - there's no way of knowing really.Danny565 said:
Also, I'm not entirely sure May skipping the debates was as much of a mistake as people say. Yes, it made her look chicken, but that's arguably better than her actually taking part in the debates, having a car-crash, and providing all sorts of "viral" clips that would've damaged her.
A disastrous performance would surely have been worse than simply not showing up.
At the time - she was so far ahead I can totally understand the logic (even if I hate the decision on a principles basis).
Labour didn’t name their attendee until after the Tories named Rudd a couple of days out, then announced with about four hours to go that it would be Corbyn. By that time the PM was miles away and wouldn’t have had time to get back and prepare. Unlike the LotO, the PM can’t change her schedule at short notice without a whole pile of hassle.
IIRC Farron warned us May might be outside our houses looking to take it from us when we got old and sick.
But it was also a very safe Tory seat, so it doesn't really matter. Although it does now mean Lab are clear second place in an area they've only (since Corbyn) started putting up proper numbers of local councillor candidates.0 -
BoJo's words: "I think it will be very difficult to imagine that UK representation at that event could go ahead in the normal way." could fairly be interpreted as England not playing there.kle4 said:
The BBC report I read made the same point, in less partisan fashion.calum said:Guido spinning for Boris
https://order-order.com/2018/03/06/no-boris-didnt-say-england-might-pull-world-cup/
(Then again maybe he meant to encourage England to get beyond the first knock-out round for a change!)0 -
To be honest , apart from on here , I have never heard anyone discuss a Customs Union v Customs arrangement.Can not imagine it changing how people currently vote.RobD said:
I think there were additional questions in the poll.Yorkcity said:
How do you come to that conclusion ? All the polls seem level pegging or in the margin of error.basicbridge said:The latest ICM poll for The Guardian suggests, in addition, that Corbyn's pledge on the Customs Union has been a tactical error.
That wont go down well with the legion of LD remainers on this site.0 -
It is conceivable those words could be interpreted as relating to the team, but equally I don't think it is so obvious that is what people would think that aides clarifying he was referring to officials is 'spinning', which implies a certain level of underhanded manipulation of words or actions to present a more favourable view. Here it was not necessarily absolutely unambiguous, but it was not overtly misleading I don't think.Benpointer said:
BoJo's words: "I think it will be very difficult to imagine that UK representation at that event could go ahead in the normal way." could fairly be interpreted as England not playing there.kle4 said:
The BBC report I read made the same point, in less partisan fashion.calum said:Guido spinning for Boris
https://order-order.com/2018/03/06/no-boris-didnt-say-england-might-pull-world-cup/
(Then again maybe he meant to encourage England to get beyond the first knock-out round for a change!)0 -
And probably twice that that he simply gets sick and is unable to do his job.Anorak said:
Given his age by then, what would be the actuarial probability, I wonder.Tissue_Price said:
Three 50/1s = 16/1. His re-election is about 2/1. So you're essentially taking around 5/1 that he goes during (most of) his second term, having been popular enough to be re-elected (possibly having already seen off impeachment?). It's probably fair enough, but not screaming value.Sandpit said:
Those three 50s are worth a pint.Scott_P said:
EDIT: about 8% chance he's going to kark it in those three years, according to US Social Security life table.0 -
How foolish of anyone to think that 'representation' at a football tournament could possibly be a reference to football teams, rather than to politicians and their bag-carriers.Benpointer said:
BoJo's words: "I think it will be very difficult to imagine that UK representation at that event could go ahead in the normal way." could fairly be interpreted as England not playing there.kle4 said:
The BBC report I read made the same point, in less partisan fashion.calum said:Guido spinning for Boris
https://order-order.com/2018/03/06/no-boris-didnt-say-england-might-pull-world-cup/
(Then again maybe he meant to encourage England to get beyond the first knock-out round for a change!)0 -
Ben , Britain went to the 1980 Olympics , even with the USA boycotting them and Thatcher's disapproval .I am glad they did attend as we saw Coe , Ovett and Wells win gold.To believe that the England football team will not attend a world cup seems improbable .Also the support from the public to such a decision if taken by the government would not be good imo.Benpointer said:
BoJo's words: "I think it will be very difficult to imagine that UK representation at that event could go ahead in the normal way." could fairly be interpreted as England not playing there.kle4 said:
The BBC report I read made the same point, in less partisan fashion.calum said:Guido spinning for Boris
https://order-order.com/2018/03/06/no-boris-didnt-say-england-might-pull-world-cup/
(Then again maybe he meant to encourage England to get beyond the first knock-out round for a change!)0 -
Anyone working on assumptions that Donald Trump may deteriorate in his late 70s should note that by many reports he doesn't drink or smoke (or drink tea or coffee). He seems far too self-absorbed to appreciate that the job of president might have some stresses.0
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Quite.AlastairMeeks said:On topic, this is driven more by Jeremy Corbyn than Theresa May. He has his hyperloyal support. That makes many forget just how loathed he is by many.
Many forget that the anti-Corbyn turnout at the next election is going to be very high as well. Few people are indifferent.....0 -
Usually .Anorak said:
Confirmation bias, innit.Yorkcity said:
How do you come to that conclusion ? All the polls seem level pegging or in the margin of error.basicbridge said:The latest ICM poll for The Guardian suggests, in addition, that Corbyn's pledge on the Customs Union has been a tactical error.
That wont go down well with the legion of LD remainers on this site.0 -
An actual boycot of the WC by the team wouldn’t happen unilaterally, it would have to be all the Western nations pulling out for serious security considerations.Yorkcity said:
Ben , Britain went to the 1980 Olympics , even with the USA boycotting them and Thatcher's disapproval .I am glad they did attend as we saw Coe , Ovett and Wells win gold.To believe that the England football team will not attend a world cup seems improbable .Also the support from the public to such a decision if taken by the government would not be good imo.Benpointer said:
BoJo's words: "I think it will be very difficult to imagine that UK representation at that event could go ahead in the normal way." could fairly be interpreted as England not playing there.kle4 said:
The BBC report I read made the same point, in less partisan fashion.calum said:Guido spinning for Boris
https://order-order.com/2018/03/06/no-boris-didnt-say-england-might-pull-world-cup/
(Then again maybe he meant to encourage England to get beyond the first knock-out round for a change!)
Doesn’t mean there might not be a lot of advise given to travelling fans though, @foxy et al check your travel insurance carefully.0 -
Apparently, even abstemious people age.AlastairMeeks said:Anyone working on assumptions that Donald Trump may deteriorate in his late 70s should note that by many reports he doesn't drink or smoke (or drink tea or coffee). He seems far too self-absorbed to appreciate that the job of president might have some stresses.
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Maybe, although I have a feeling an unprepared Mrs May might be preferable.RobD said:
The preparation point is valid though.Benpointer said:
What tosh! Of course she could have changed her schedule and attended. I suspect two things prevented her: 1. She's just no good at that thinking-on-your-feet sort of thing. 2. It sould have looked like she was dancing to Corbyn's tune.Sandpit said:
Cynical but effective.oxfordsimon said:
And we have to remember that Corbyn did one of his cynical u-turns after first saying that he wouldn't attend a debate without May and then saying he would.rkrkrk said:
Yes - there's no way of knowing really.Danny565 said:
Also, I'm not entirely sure May skipping the debates was as much of a mistake as people say. Yes, it made her look chicken, but that's arguably better than her actually taking part in the debates, having a car-crash, and providing all sorts of "viral" clips that would've damaged her.
A disastrous performance would surely have been worse than simply not showing up.
At the time - she was so far ahead I can totally understand the logic (even if I hate the decision on a principles basis).
Labour didn’t name their attendee until after the Tories named Rudd a couple of days out, then announced with about four hours to go that it would be Corbyn. By that time the PM was miles away and wouldn’t have had time to get back and prepare. Unlike the LotO, the PM can’t change her schedule at short notice without a whole pile of hassle.0 -
I agree .Sandpit said:
An actual boycot of the WC by the team wouldn’t happen unilaterally, it would have to be all the Western nations pulling out for serious security considerations.Yorkcity said:
Ben , Britain went to the 1980 Olympics , even with the USA boycotting them and Thatcher's disapproval .I am glad they did attend as we saw Coe , Ovett and Wells win gold.To believe that the England football team will not attend a world cup seems improbable .Also the support from the public to such a decision if taken by the government would not be good imo.Benpointer said:
BoJo's words: "I think it will be very difficult to imagine that UK representation at that event could go ahead in the normal way." could fairly be interpreted as England not playing there.kle4 said:
The BBC report I read made the same point, in less partisan fashion.calum said:Guido spinning for Boris
https://order-order.com/2018/03/06/no-boris-didnt-say-england-might-pull-world-cup/
(Then again maybe he meant to encourage England to get beyond the first knock-out round for a change!)
Doesn’t mean there might not be a lot of advise given to travelling fans though, @foxy et al check your travel insurance carefully.0 -
I have tickets for the semi in St Petersburg, hotel and flights booked, really looking forward to it.Sandpit said:
An actual boycot of the WC by the team wouldn’t happen unilaterally, it would have to be all the Western nations pulling out for serious security considerations.Yorkcity said:
Ben , Britain went to the 1980 Olympics , even with the USA boycotting them and Thatcher's disapproval .I am glad they did attend as we saw Coe , Ovett and Wells win gold.To believe that the England football team will not attend a world cup seems improbable .Also the support from the public to such a decision if taken by the government would not be good imo.Benpointer said:
BoJo's words: "I think it will be very difficult to imagine that UK representation at that event could go ahead in the normal way." could fairly be interpreted as England not playing there.kle4 said:
The BBC report I read made the same point, in less partisan fashion.calum said:Guido spinning for Boris
https://order-order.com/2018/03/06/no-boris-didnt-say-england-might-pull-world-cup/
(Then again maybe he meant to encourage England to get beyond the first knock-out round for a change!)
Doesn’t mean there might not be a lot of advise given to travelling fans though, @foxy et al check your travel insurance carefully.
I forecast the match will be Brazil France. I am not anticipating seeing England fans that late in the tournament.
Having wandered around sub-saharan africa etc, I am not daunted by a few Russkis.0 -
So much for that strategy then. Bugger.rcs1000 said:
Apparently, even abstemious people age.AlastairMeeks said:Anyone working on assumptions that Donald Trump may deteriorate in his late 70s should note that by many reports he doesn't drink or smoke (or drink tea or coffee). He seems far too self-absorbed to appreciate that the job of president might have some stresses.
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I think you're going to get Russia vs England. Good luck.Foxy said:
I have tickets for the semi in St Petersburg, hotel and flights booked, really looking forward to it.Sandpit said:
An actual boycot of the WC by the team wouldn’t happen unilaterally, it would have to be all the Western nations pulling out for serious security considerations.Yorkcity said:
Ben , Britain went to the 1980 Olympics , even with the USA boycotting them and Thatcher's disapproval .I am glad they did attend as we saw Coe , Ovett and Wells win gold.To believe that the England football team will not attend a world cup seems improbable .Also the support from the public to such a decision if taken by the government would not be good imo.Benpointer said:
BoJo's words: "I think it will be very difficult to imagine that UK representation at that event could go ahead in the normal way." could fairly be interpreted as England not playing there.kle4 said:
The BBC report I read made the same point, in less partisan fashion.calum said:Guido spinning for Boris
https://order-order.com/2018/03/06/no-boris-didnt-say-england-might-pull-world-cup/
(Then again maybe he meant to encourage England to get beyond the first knock-out round for a change!)
Doesn’t mean there might not be a lot of advise given to travelling fans though, @foxy et al check your travel insurance carefully.
I forecast the match will be Brazil France. I am not anticipating seeing England fans that late in the tournament.
Having wandered around sub-saharan africa etc, I am not daunted by a few Russkis.0 -
Depends. Perhaps he just couldn't take all those copied & pasted tweets anymore.DavidL said:
I am sure @Scott_P wouldn't do such a thing.Charles said:
Scott forced him to leave - made it quite clear he would be put to sleep if he stayedGardenwalker said:So,
We seem to have an attempted assassination on British soil by the Russians, and are on the eve of a trade war with the Americans.
“I’m just going outside the EU. I may be some time.”0 -
Running out of pilots again then....williamglenn said:0 -
What an idiot. ALl that will do is persuade voters to rethink about ever using Ryanair again.williamglenn said:0 -
I shall wave the red banner!rcs1000 said:
I think you're going to get Russia vs England. Good luck.Foxy said:
I have tickets for the semi in St Petersburg, hotel and flights booked, really looking forward to it.Sandpit said:
An actual boycot of the WC by the team wouldn’t happen unilaterally, it would have to be all the Western nations pulling out for serious security considerations.Yorkcity said:
Ben , Britain went to the 1980 Olympics , even with the USA boycotting them and Thatcher's disapproval .I am glad they did attend as we saw Coe , Ovett and Wells win gold.To believe that the England football team will not attend a world cup seems improbable .Also the support from the public to such a decision if taken by the government would not be good imo.Benpointer said:
BoJo's words: "I think it will be very difficult to imagine that UK representation at that event could go ahead in the normal way." could fairly be interpreted as England not playing there.kle4 said:
The BBC report I read made the same point, in less partisan fashion.calum said:Guido spinning for Boris
https://order-order.com/2018/03/06/no-boris-didnt-say-england-might-pull-world-cup/
(Then again maybe he meant to encourage England to get beyond the first knock-out round for a change!)
Doesn’t mean there might not be a lot of advise given to travelling fans though, @foxy et al check your travel insurance carefully.
I forecast the match will be Brazil France. I am not anticipating seeing England fans that late in the tournament.
Having wandered around sub-saharan africa etc, I am not daunted by a few Russkis.0 -
Ryanair chief threatens to ground cheap flights to persuade voters to ‘rethink’ Ryanair.williamglenn said:ttps://twitter.com/MirrorPolitics/status/971083589021511681
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Michael O'Leary has always been a cock.Richard_Tyndall said:
What an idiot. ALl that will do is persuade voters to rethink about ever using Ryanair again.williamglenn said:0 -
They haven’t got enough for the summer schedule, again.MarqueeMark said:
Running out of pilots again then....williamglenn said:
Training Captains also leaving, which is causing delays with new recruits. They’re also not charging the new kids €30k for their 737 type rating any more, preferring a 5 year training bond.
https://www.pprune.org/terms-endearment/606179-things-getting-interesting-ryr-cadets-2.html0 -
Always knew it wasn't worth worrying!MarqueeMark said:
So much for that strategy then. Bugger.rcs1000 said:
Apparently, even abstemious people age.AlastairMeeks said:Anyone working on assumptions that Donald Trump may deteriorate in his late 70s should note that by many reports he doesn't drink or smoke (or drink tea or coffee). He seems far too self-absorbed to appreciate that the job of president might have some stresses.
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I know food in high street chain restaurants can be a bit dodgy but hospitalising 10 people in Salisbury is quite some going....0
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He may find the boarders are hard to find when he wants them to come back after his strop.rcs1000 said:
Michael O'Leary has always been a cock.Richard_Tyndall said:
What an idiot. ALl that will do is persuade voters to rethink about ever using Ryanair again.williamglenn said:0 -
Buy shares in Easyjet?Sandpit said:
Ryanair chief threatens to ground cheap flights to persuade voters to ‘rethink’ Ryanair.williamglenn said:ttps://twitter.com/MirrorPolitics/status/971083589021511681
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A shared dislike of Ryanair might be just the ticket to start reuniting leavers and remainers.Richard_Tyndall said:
What an idiot. ALl that will do is persuade voters to rethink about ever using Ryanair again.williamglenn said:0 -
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I quite like Farron, but he doesn't come over well on television, rather like a hyperactive puppy.Benpointer said:
Farron's performance was very poor tbf. I did end up voting LD (in a very safe Tory seat so my vote was alwayrs going to be wasted) because I know and like our LD candidate, but Farron nearly put me off.kle4 said:
I was honestly quite impressed by parts of Rudd's performance, but it was a smart move by Corbyn. Sure he'd changed his tune on attending, but with the PM still not being there no one was going to care much about him u-turning, particularly since it was u-turning to engage more, not less.Benpointer said:
Well, she was certainly well and truly outmanoeuvered. Rudd did ok though IIRC.Sandpit said:
The debate was in Cambridge, and from memory theBenpointer said:
What tosh! Of course she could have changed her schedule and attended. I suspect two things prevented her: 1. She's just no good at that thinking-on-your-feet sort of thing. 2. It sould have looked like she was dancing to Corbyn's tune.Sandpit said:
Cynical but effective.oxfordsimon said:
And we have to remember that Corbyn did one of his cynical u-turns after first saying that he wouldn't attend a debate without May and then saying he would.rkrkrk said:
Yes - there's no way of knowing really.Danny565 said:
Also, I'm not entirely sure May skipping the debates was as much of a mistake as people say. Yes, it made her look chicken, but that's arguably better than her actually taking part in the debates, having a car-crash, and providing all sorts of "viral" clips that would've damaged her.
A disastrous performance would surely have been worse than simply not showing up.
At the time - she was so far ahead I can totally understand the logic (even if I hate the decision on a principles basis).
Labour didn’t name their attendee until after the Tories named Rudd a couple of days out, then announced with about four hours to go that it would be Corbyn. By that time the PM was miles away and wouldn’t have had time to get back and prepare. Unlike the LotO, the PM can’t change her schedule at short notice without a whole pile of hassle.
IIRC Farron warned us May might be outside our houses looking to take it from us when we got old and sick.
I wanted him to stay on, and think that he would have grown into the job with a bit af age and media training. Vince is a dead loss.
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+1Foxy said:
I quite like Farron, but he doesn't come over well on television, rather like a hyperactive puppy.Benpointer said:
Farron's performance was very poor tbf. I did end up voting LD (in a very safe Tory seat so my vote was alwayrs going to be wasted) because I know and like our LD candidate, but Farron nearly put me off.kle4 said:
I was honestly quite impressed by parts of Rudd's performance, but it was a smart move by Corbyn. Sure he'd changed his tune on attending, but with the PM still not being there no one was going to care much about him u-turning, particularly since it was u-turning to engage more, not less.Benpointer said:
Well, she was certainly well and truly outmanoeuvered. Rudd did ok though IIRC.Sandpit said:
The debate was in Cambridge, and from memory theBenpointer said:
What tosh! Of course she could have changed her schedule and attended. I suspect two things prevented her: 1. She's just no good at that thinking-on-your-feet sort of thing. 2. It sould have looked like she was dancing to Corbyn's tune.Sandpit said:
Cynical but effective.oxfordsimon said:
And we have to remember that Corbyn did one of his cynical u-turns after first saying that he wouldn't attend a debate without May and then saying he would.rkrkrk said:
Yes - there's no way of knowing really.Danny565 said:
Also, I'm not entirely sure May skipping the debates was as much of a mistake as people say. Yes, it made her look chicken, but that's arguably better than her actually taking part in the debates, having a car-crash, and providing all sorts of "viral" clips that would've damaged her.
A disastrous performance would surely have been worse than simply not showing up.
At the time - she was so far ahead I can totally understand the logic (even if I hate the decision on a principles basis).
Labour didn’t name their attendee until after the Tories named Rudd a couple of days out, then announced with about four hours to go that it would be Corbyn. By that time the PM was miles away and wouldn’t have had time to get back and prepare. Unlike the LotO, the PM can’t change her schedule at short notice without a whole pile of hassle.
IIRC Farron warned us May might be outside our houses looking to take it from us when we got old and sick.
I wanted him to stay on, and think that he would have grown into the job with a bit af age and media training. Vince is a dead loss.0 -
Dr. Foxy, they should've gone for Lamb, [as I advocated].0
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I see many Londoners are still without water.0
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Vince is deffo coming across as older than his 107 years.....Foxy said:
I quite like Farron, but he doesn't come over well on television, rather like a hyperactive puppy.Benpointer said:
Farron's performance was very poor tbf. I did end up voting LD (in a very safe Tory seat so my vote was alwayrs going to be wasted) because I know and like our LD candidate, but Farron nearly put me off.kle4 said:
I was honestly quite impressed by parts of Rudd's performance, but it was a smart move by Corbyn. Sure he'd changed his tune on attending, but with the PM still not being there no one was going to care much about him u-turning, particularly since it was u-turning to engage more, not less.Benpointer said:
Well, she was certainly well and truly outmanoeuvered. Rudd did ok though IIRC.Sandpit said:
The debate was in Cambridge, and from memory theBenpointer said:
What tosh! Of course she could have changed her schedule and attended. I suspect two things prevented her: 1. She's just no good at that thinking-on-your-feet sort of thing. 2. It sould have looked like she was dancing to Corbyn's tune.Sandpit said:
Cynical but effective.oxfordsimon said:
And we have to remember that Corbyn did one of his cynical u-turns after first saying that he wouldn't attend a debate without May and then saying he would.rkrkrk said:
Yes - there's no way of knowing really.Danny565 said:
Also, I'm not entirely sure May skipping the debates was as much of a mistake as people say. Yes, it made her look chicken, but that's arguably better than her actually taking part in the debates, having a car-crash, and providing all sorts of "viral" clips that would've damaged her.
A disastrous performance would surely have been worse than simply not showing up.
At the time - she was so far ahead I can totally understand the logic (even if I hate the decision on a principles basis).
Labour didn’t name their attendee until after the Tories named Rudd a couple of days out, then announced with about four hours to go that it would be Corbyn. By that time the PM was miles away and wouldn’t have had time to get back and prepare. Unlike the LotO, the PM can’t change her schedule at short notice without a whole pile of hassle.
IIRC Farron warned us May might be outside our houses looking to take it from us when we got old and sick.
I wanted him to stay on, and think that he would have grown into the job with a bit af age and media training. Vince is a dead loss.0 -
How's that "fuck Brexiteers - we can go solo without you!" strategy going, London?tlg86 said:I see many Londoners are still without water.
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I like Vince. Old, but smart. In what way is he a dead loss?Foxy said:
I quite like Farron, but he doesn't come over well on television, rather like a hyperactive puppy.Benpointer said:
Farron's performance was very poor tbf. I did end up voting LD (in a very safe Tory seat so my vote was alwayrs going to be wasted) because I know and like our LD candidate, but Farron nearly put me off.kle4 said:
I was honestly quite impressed by parts of Rudd's performance, but it was a smart move by Corbyn. Sure he'd changed his tune on attending, but with the PM still not being there no one was going to care much about him u-turning, particularly since it was u-turning to engage more, not less.Benpointer said:
Well, she was certainly well and truly outmanoeuvered. Rudd did ok though IIRC.Sandpit said:
The debate was in Cambridge, and from memory theBenpointer said:
What tosh! Of course she could have changed her schedule and attended. I suspect two things prevented her: 1. She's just no good at that thinking-on-your-feet sort of thing. 2. It sould have looked like she was dancing to Corbyn's tune.Sandpit said:
Cynical but effective.oxfordsimon said:
And we have to remember that Corbyn did one of his cynical u-turns after first saying that he wouldn't attend a debate without May and then saying he would.rkrkrk said:
Yes - there's no way of knowing really.Danny565 said:
Also, I'm not entirely sure May skipping the debates was as much of a mistake as people say. Yes, it made her look chicken, but that's arguably better than her actually taking part in the debates, having a car-crash, and providing all sorts of "viral" clips that would've damaged her.
A disastrous performance would surely have been worse than simply not showing up.
At the time - she was so far ahead I can totally understand the logic (even if I hate the decision on a principles basis).
Labour didn’t name their attendee until after the Tories named Rudd a couple of days out, then announced with about four hours to go that it would be Corbyn. By that time the PM was miles away and wouldn’t have had time to get back and prepare. Unlike the LotO, the PM can’t change her schedule at short notice without a whole pile of hassle.
IIRC Farron warned us May might be outside our houses looking to take it from us when we got old and sick.
I wanted him to stay on, and think that he would have grown into the job with a bit af age and media training. Vince is a dead loss.0 -
As indeed I did!Morris_Dancer said:Dr. Foxy, they should've gone for Lamb, [as I advocated].
Lamb chose not to stand as he wasn't happy with current party position on Brexit. He wanted to abide by the result with a soft Brexit.0 -
Er, wouldn't that have been a policy a new leader could have changed???Foxy said:
As indeed I did!Morris_Dancer said:Dr. Foxy, they should've gone for Lamb, [as I advocated].
Lamb chose not to stand as he wasn't happy with current party position on Brexit. He wanted to abide by the result with a soft Brexit.0 -
I have never liked him, but he is too languid, and is the primary architect of the Tuition fee mess. He cannot walk away from it.Jonathan said:
I like Vince. Old, but smart. In what way is he a dead loss?Foxy said:
I quite like Farron, but he doesn't come over well on television, rather like a hyperactive puppy.Benpointer said:
Farron's performance was very poor tbf. I did end up voting LD (in a very safe Tory seat so my vote was alwayrs going to be wasted) because I know and like our LD candidate, but Farron nearly put me off.kle4 said:
I was honestly quite impressed by parts of Rudd's performance, but it was a smart move by Corbyn. Sure he'd changed his tune on attending, but with the PM still not being there no one was going to care much about him u-turning, particularly since it was u-turning to engage more, not less.Benpointer said:
Well, she was certainly well and truly outmanoeuvered. Rudd did ok though IIRC.Sandpit said:
The debate was in Cambridge, and from memory theBenpointer said:
What tosh! Of course she could have changed her schedule and attended. I suspect two things prevented her: 1. She's just no good at that thinking-on-your-feet sort of thing. 2. It sould have looked like she was dancing to Corbyn's tune.Sandpit said:
Cynical but effective.oxfordsimon said:
And we have to remember that Corbyn did one of his cynical u-turns after first saying that he wouldn't attend a debate without May and then saying he would.rkrkrk said:
Yes - there's no way of knowing really.Danny565 said:
Also, I'm not entirely sure May skipping the debates was as much of a mistake as people say. Yes, it made her look chicken, but that's arguably better than her actually taking part in the debates, having a car-crash, and providing all sorts of "viral" clips that would've damaged her.
A disastrous performance would surely have been worse than simply not showing up.
At the time - she was so far ahead I can totally understand the logic (even if I hate the decision on a principles basis).
Labour didn’t name their attendee until
IIRC Farron warned us May might be outside our houses looking to take it from us when we got old and sick.
I wanted him to stay on, and think that he would have grown into the job with a bit af age and media training. Vince is a dead loss.
I would have voted anyone but Vince if it hadn't been a coronation.0 -
Not really, as policy is decided democratically by members, and many of the new members joined specifically to fight Brexit.MarqueeMark said:
Er, wouldn't that have been a policy a new leader could have changed???Foxy said:
As indeed I did!Morris_Dancer said:Dr. Foxy, they should've gone for Lamb, [as I advocated].
Lamb chose not to stand as he wasn't happy with current party position on Brexit. He wanted to abide by the result with a soft Brexit.0 -
Dr. Foxy, whilst I also wanted Lamb then, I actually meant instead of Farron. At the last election, sensible, solid Lamb against loony left Corbyn and suddenly awful May would've done better, I feel.
Anyway, I must be off.0 -
Foxy said:
I tthink he's very able, but sadly his ship has sailed. Get into your mid 70's and pressure starts to become a concern. You maybe don't realise it until you stop.Jonathan said:
I have never liked him, but he is too languid, and is the primary architect of the Tuition fee mess. He cannot walk away from it.Foxy said:
I like Vince. Old, but smart. In what way is he a dead loss?Benpointer said:
I quite like Farron, but he doesn't come over well on television, rather like a hyperactive puppy.kle4 said:
Farron's performance was very poor tbf. I did end up voting LD (in a very safe Tory seat so my vote was alwayrs going to be wasted) because I know and like our LD candidate, but Farron nearly put me off.Benpointer said:
I was honestly quite impressed by parts of Rudd's performance, but it was a smart move by Corbyn. Sure he'd changed his tune on attending, but with the PM still not being there no one was going to care much about him u-turning, particularly since it was u-turning to engage more, not less.Sandpit said:
Well, she was certainly well and truly outmanoeuvered. Rudd did ok though IIRC.Benpointer said:
The debate was in Cambridge, and from memory theSandpit said:
What tosh! Of course she could have changed her schedule and attended. I suspect two things prevented her: 1. She's just no good at that thinking-on-your-feet sort of thing. 2. It sould have looked like she was dancing to Corbyn's tune.oxfordsimon said:
Labour didn’t name their attendee untilrkrkrk said:
Yes - there's no way of knowing really.Danny565 said:
Also, I'm not entirely sure May skipping the debates was as much of a mistake as people say. Yes, it made her look chicken, but that's arguably better than her actually taking part in the debates, having a car-crash, and providing all sorts of "viral" clips that would've damaged her.
A disastrous performance would surely have been worse than simply not showing up.
At the time - she was so far ahead I can totally understand the logic (even if I hate the decision on a principles basis).
IIRC Farron warned us May might be outside our houses looking to take it from us when we got old and sick.
I wanted him to stay on, and think that he would have grown into the job with a bit af age and media training. Vince is a dead loss.
I would have voted anyone but Vince if it hadn't been a coronation.0 -
He's the only LD with any popularity, gravitas or charisma and is surely best placed to deal with the tuition fees thingFoxy said:
I have never liked him, but he is too languid, and is the primary architect of the Tuition fee mess. He cannot walk away from it.Jonathan said:
I like Vince. Old, but smart. In what way is he a dead loss?Foxy said:
I quite like Farron, but he doesn't come over well on television, rather like a hyperactive puppy.Benpointer said:
Farron's performance was very poor tbf. I did end up voting LD (in a very safe Tory seat so my vote was alwayrs going to be wasted) because I know and like our LD candidate, but Farron nearly put me off.kle4 said:
I was honestly quite impressed by parts of Rudd's performance, butlarly since it was u-turning to engage more, not less.Benpointer said:
Well, she was certainly well and truly outmanoeuvered. Rudd did ok though IIRC.Sandpit said:
The debate was in Cambridge, and from memory theBenpointer said:
What tosh! Of course she could have changed her schedule and attended. I suspect two things prevented her: 1. She's just no good at that thinking-on-your-feet sort of thing. 2. It sould have looked like she was dancing to Corbyn's tune.Sandpit said:
Cynical but effective.oxfordsimon said:
And we have to remember that Corbyn did one of his cynical u-turns after first saying that he wouldn't attend a debate without May and then saying he would.rkrkrk said:
Yes - there's no way of knowing really.Danny565 said:
Also, I'm not entirely sure May skipping the debates was as much of a mistake as people say. Yes, it made her look chicken, but that's arguably better than her actually taking part in the debates, having a car-crash, and providing all sorts of "viral" clips that would've damaged her.
A disastrous performance would surely have been worse than simply not showing up.
At the time - she was so far ahead I can totally understand the logic (even if I hate the decision on a principles basis).
Labour didn’t name their attendee until
IIRC Farron warned us May might be outside our houses looking to take it from us when we got old and sick.
I wanted him to stay on, and think that he would have grown into the job with a bit af age and media training. Vince is a dead loss.
I would have voted anyone but Vince if it hadn't been a coronation.0 -
Who is the current leader of UKIP? Is there one?0
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It's you isn't it?AlastairMeeks said:Who is the current leader of UKIP? Is there one?
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I'm not sure which side that would come as more of a shock to.Jonathan said:
It's you isn't it?AlastairMeeks said:Who is the current leader of UKIP? Is there one?
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Gerard Batten's the interim leader.AlastairMeeks said:Who is the current leader of UKIP? Is there one?
He's the chap that wants me to sign a code of conduct saying I won't blow myself up and things like that.0 -
I'm scheduled to be UKIP's leader on 24 March. it's glorious. A whole day shouting about what's wrong with the modern world.AlastairMeeks said:
I'm not sure which side that would come as more of a shock to.Jonathan said:
It's you isn't it?AlastairMeeks said:Who is the current leader of UKIP? Is there one?
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I am more worried about your terrible taste in music...we need to get you to sign up to a code of conduct promising not to go to see bands like Steps so they don’t continue to tour...TheScreamingEagles said:
Gerard Batten's the interim leader.AlastairMeeks said:Who is the current leader of UKIP? Is there one?
He's the chap that wants me to sign a code of conduct saying I won't blow myself up and things like that.0 -
Farron always makes me think of Kevin Eldon playing a hapless politician.Foxy said:
I quite like Farron, but he doesn't come over well on television, rather like a hyperactive puppy.Benpointer said:
Farron's performance was very poor tbf. I did end up voting LD (in a very safe Tory seat so my vote was alwayrs going to be wasted) because I know and like our LD candidate, but Farron nearly put me off.kle4 said:
I was honestly quite impressed by parts of Rudd's performance, but it was a smart move by Corbyn. Sure he'd changed his tune on attending, but with the PM still not being there no one was going to care much about him u-turning, particularly since it was u-turning to engage more, not less.Benpointer said:
Well, she was certainly well and truly outmanoeuvered. Rudd did ok though IIRC.Sandpit said:
The debate was in Cambridge, and from memory theBenpointer said:
What tosh! Of course she could have changed her schedule and attended. I suspect two things prevented her: 1. She's just no good at that thinking-on-your-feet sort of thing. 2. It sould have looked like she was dancing to Corbyn's tune.Sandpit said:
Cynical but effective.oxfordsimon said:
And we have to remember that Corbyn did one of his cynical u-turns after first saying that he wouldn't attend a debate without May and then saying he would.rkrkrk said:
Yes - there's no way of knowing really.Danny565 said:
Also, I'm not entirely sure May skipping the debates was as much of a mistake as people say. Yes, it made her look chicken, but that's arguably better than her actually taking part in the debates, having a car-crash, and providing all sorts of "viral" clips that would've damaged her.
A disastrous performance would surely have been worse than simply not showing up.
At the time - she was so far ahead I can totally understand the logic (even if I hate the decision on a principles basis).
Labour didn’t name their attendee until after the Tories named Rudd a couple of days out, then announced with about four hours to go that it would be Corbyn. By that time the PM was miles away and wouldn’t have had time to get back and prepare. Unlike the LotO, the PM can’t change her schedule at short notice without a whole pile of hassle.
IIRC Farron warned us May might be outside our houses looking to take it from us when we got old and sick.
I wanted him to stay on, and think that he would have grown into the job with a bit af age and media training. Vince is a dead loss.0 -
One nation, one member .AlastairMeeks said:Anyway, pb may need to change its branding, since it is now sporting the colour of a political party:
https://twitter.com/jrmaidment/status/9709810217170165780 -
Jonathan said:
One nation, one member .AlastairMeeks said:Anyway, pb may need to change its branding, since it is now sporting the colour of a political party:
https://twitter.com/jrmaidment/status/970981021717016578
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Just imagine wanting to pay homage to Pauline Hanson.0
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Jonathan said:
One nation, one member .AlastairMeeks said:Anyway, pb may need to change its branding, since it is now sporting the colour of a political party:
https://twitter.com/jrmaidment/status/970981021717016578 0 -
"Blow yourself off" ?TheScreamingEagles said:
Gerard Batten's the interim leader.AlastairMeeks said:Who is the current leader of UKIP? Is there one?
He's the chap that wants me to sign a code of conduct saying I won't blow myself up and things like that.
Have you had a rib removed?
Oh, blow yourself up. Well, that's a very different matter. Personally I'd prefer the former. Perhaps there's been a translation error in the madrasas and in the on-line videos:
"No, you fool! I said blow yourself off!"0 -
Overrated - you get a crick in your neck.JosiasJessop said:
"Blow yourself off" ?TheScreamingEagles said:
Gerard Batten's the interim leader.AlastairMeeks said:Who is the current leader of UKIP? Is there one?
He's the chap that wants me to sign a code of conduct saying I won't blow myself up and things like that.
Have you had a rib removed?
Oh, blow yourself up. Well, that's a very different matter. Personally I'd prefer the former. Perhaps there's been a translation error in the madrasas and in the on-line videos:
"No, you fool! I said blow yourself off!"
I'm told.0 -
Ein volk, ein reich, ein Bolton.Jonathan said:
One nation, one member .AlastairMeeks said:Anyway, pb may need to change its branding, since it is now sporting the colour of a political party:
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I see you're talking fatuous nonsense. "Many" Londoners - a hundred thousand, half a million or nearer one thousand or even 500 ?tlg86 said:I see many Londoners are still without water.
No problems here with water and I don't know of anyone who has issues. Yes, there is a burst pipe in East Ham High Street but the good folk of Newham are coping well.
We rely on provincial England to make a crisis out of a drama.
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Everyone knows Vince is there for the short term. The question is whether Jo Swinson will also get a coronation or whether she will be challenged by Layla Moran.Foxy said:
I have never liked him, but he is too languid, and is the primary architect of the Tuition fee mess. He cannot walk away from it.
I would have voted anyone but Vince if it hadn't been a coronation.0 -
He's the only LD with any popularity, gravitas or charisma and is surely best placed to deal with the tuition fees thing.
Cable being leader is most significant in that it stopped Swinson, who has very limited electoral appeal. She is nominally foreign affairs spokesman but is entirely invisible (even by LD standards) on her brief. But she’s been very vocal on #MeToo and recently authored an utterly tone-deaf article in the MoS arguing for a statue of Thatcher - hardly the best way to dispel the charge of “yellow Tories”.
Lib Dem grassroots momentum seems to be very rapidly moving towards Layla Moran.
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And Scots are without milk and bread. Nicola Sturgeon told the lorry drivers to get off the road because it was snowing. Our supply chain has still not recovered and thousands of self employed drivers are suffering serious hardship. Still, it got a good headline in the National.tlg86 said:I see many Londoners are still without water.
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LOL! I'm sure Ryanair's competitors would love that...williamglenn said:0 -
Both very weak, in a weak field. Ed Davey?stodge said:
Everyone knows Vince is there for the short term. The question is whether Jo Swinson will also get a coronation or whether she will be challenged by Layla Moran.Foxy said:
I have never liked him, but he is too languid, and is the primary architect of the Tuition fee mess. He cannot walk away from it.
I would have voted anyone but Vince if it hadn't been a coronation.0 -
One member, one member0
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If it were my choice, it would be Tom Brake but he and Ed Davey know we can't go back to the pre-Coalition days. Moran represents what the Party is not what it was.Jonathan said:
Both very weak, in a weak field. Ed Davey?stodge said:
Everyone knows Vince is there for the short term. The question is whether Jo Swinson will also get a coronation or whether she will be challenged by Layla Moran.Foxy said:
I have never liked him, but he is too languid, and is the primary architect of the Tuition fee mess. He cannot walk away from it.
I would have voted anyone but Vince if it hadn't been a coronation.
That Liberal Democrat Party, the one I joined as a Liberal, died in the fire of the Coalition, There is a new party out there - 3/4 of the current membership joined post-2015 - and it needs a leader less encumbered by the ghosts of the Rose Garden.
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Fair point. It is around 1,000 homes and businesses:stodge said:
I see you're talking fatuous nonsense. "Many" Londoners - a hundred thousand, half a million or nearer one thousand or even 500 ?tlg86 said:I see many Londoners are still without water.
No problems here with water and I don't know of anyone who has issues. Yes, there is a burst pipe in East Ham High Street but the good folk of Newham are coping well.
We rely on provincial England to make a crisis out of a drama.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-43298773
To be fair, it was the headline on BBC London News tonight so I guessed it was a significant number of people.
The whole of Woking could be without water and BBC London wouldn't even know about it.0 -
Just wait for the inevitable typhoid pandemic. We'll be ringing the M25 with pitchforks to prevent the contagion spreading.stodge said:
I see you're talking fatuous nonsense. "Many" Londoners - a hundred thousand, half a million or nearer one thousand or even 500 ?tlg86 said:I see many Londoners are still without water.
No problems here with water and I don't know of anyone who has issues. Yes, there is a burst pipe in East Ham High Street but the good folk of Newham are coping well.
We rely on provincial England to make a crisis out of a drama.0 -
O’Leary goes into a bar in Dublin and asks for a pint of Guinness. “That will be 2.50 Euros”, said the barman.rcs1000 said:
Michael O'Leary has always been a cock.Richard_Tyndall said:
What an idiot. ALl that will do is persuade voters to rethink about ever using Ryanair again.williamglenn said:
“Wow” said O’Leary. “That has to be the best price in Dublin.”
“Yes”, said the barman, “Would you be wanting a glass with that?”0 -
Davidson is worse than May, you Tories are not the full shilling.Danny565 said:
Who precisely do you think would be better, and why, apart from Davidson (and perhaps Boris, who to be fair is a complete wildcard who could go either way).Philip_Thompson said:
I don't see anyone who could be worse. At the very least the next leader will bother to turn up to the TV debates.Danny565 said:But May is apparently going to be ditched before the next election, in favour of someone who is either no better than her, or quite possibly even worse (unless they can get Ruth Davidson eligible somehow).
Also, I'm not entirely sure May skipping the debates was as much of a mistake as people say. Yes, it made her look chicken, but that's arguably better than her actually taking part in the debates, having a car-crash, and providing all sorts of "viral" clips that would've damaged her.0 -
It needs someone experienced who can organise, develop interest and make the most of the limited moments as and when they arise. A new MP is not going to be able to do that.stodge said:
If it were my choice, it would be Tom Brake but he and Ed Davey know we can't go back to the pre-Coalition days. Moran represents what the Party is not what it was.Jonathan said:
Both very weak, in a weak field. Ed Davey?stodge said:
Everyone knows Vince is there for the short term. The question is whether Jo Swinson will also get a coronation or whether she will be challenged by Layla Moran.Foxy said:
I have never liked him, but he is too languid, and is the primary architect of the Tuition fee mess. He cannot walk away from it.
I would have voted anyone but Vince if it hadn't been a coronation.
That Liberal Democrat Party, the one I joined as a Liberal, died in the fire of the Coalition, There is a new party out there - 3/4 of the current membership joined post-2015 - and it needs a leader less encumbered by the ghosts of the Rose Garden.0 -
Yes, the membership is larger, but also even more pro-EU as a result of the last few years.stodge said:
If it were my choice, it would be Tom Brake but he and Ed Davey know we can't go back to the pre-Coalition days. Moran represents what the Party is not what it was.Jonathan said:
Both very weak, in a weak field. Ed Davey?stodge said:
Everyone knows Vince is there for the short term. The question is whether Jo Swinson will also get a coronation or whether she will be challenged by Layla Moran.Foxy said:
I have never liked him, but he is too languid, and is the primary architect of the Tuition fee mess. He cannot walk away from it.
I would have voted anyone but Vince if it hadn't been a coronation.
That Liberal Democrat Party, the one I joined as a Liberal, died in the fire of the Coalition, There is a new party out there - 3/4 of the current membership joined post-2015 - and it needs a leader less encumbered by the ghosts of the Rose Garden.
I quite like Swinson, but she does seem to be most interested in gender politics, rather than bread and butter social or economic issues likely to get support out at elections.
Tom Brake is possible, and Moran increasingly impressive, but I am a Lambite at heart. He was a very capable minister.0 -
It is said my music collection contains more evil than an ISIS suggestion box.FrancisUrquhart said:
I am more worried about your terrible taste in music...we need to get you to sign up to a code of conduct promising not to go to see bands like Steps so they don’t continue to tour...TheScreamingEagles said:
Gerard Batten's the interim leader.AlastairMeeks said:Who is the current leader of UKIP? Is there one?
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Evening Malc!malcolmg said:
Tories are not the full shilling.Danny565 said:
Who precisely do you think would be better, and why, apart from Davidson (and perhaps Boris, who to be fair is a complete wildcard who could go either way).Philip_Thompson said:
I don't see anyone who could be worse. At the very least the next leader will bother to turn up to the TV debates.Danny565 said:But May is apparently going to be ditched before the next election, in favour of someone who is either no better than her, or quite possibly even worse (unless they can get Ruth Davidson eligible somehow).
Also, I'm not entirely sure May skipping the debates was as much of a mistake as people say. Yes, it made her look chicken, but that's arguably better than her actually taking part in the debates, having a car-crash, and providing all sorts of "viral" clips that would've damaged her.
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Can you imagine the snivelling Tories ever publishing the truthcalum said:0 -
You don't need a minister, you need a campaigner.Foxy said:
Yes, the membership is larger, but also even more pro-EU as a result of the last few years.stodge said:
If it were my choice, it would be Tom Brake but he and Ed Davey know we can't go back to the pre-Coalition days. Moran represents what the Party is not what it was.Jonathan said:
Both very weak, in a weak field. Ed Davey?stodge said:
Everyone knows Vince is there for the short term. The question is whether Jo Swinson will also get a coronation or whether she will be challenged by Layla Moran.Foxy said:
I have never liked him, but he is too languid, and is the primary architect of the Tuition fee mess. He cannot walk away from it.
I would have voted anyone but Vince if it hadn't been a coronation.
That Liberal Democrat Party, the one I joined as a Liberal, died in the fire of the Coalition, There is a new party out there - 3/4 of the current membership joined post-2015 - and it needs a leader less encumbered by the ghosts of the Rose Garden.
I quite like Swinson, but she does seem to be most interested in gender politics, rather than bread and butter social or economic issues likely to get support out at elections.
Tom Brake is possible, and Moran increasingly impressive, but I am a Lambite at heart. He was a very capable minister.0 -
Ha Ha Ha David, from someone in love with a big scaredy windbag, she would not make a three bob bit.DavidL said:
Even worse, a pound shop Alex Salmond.TheScreamingEagles said:Jose Mourinho a pound shop Jeremy Corbyn ?
https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/amp.theguardian.com/football/2018/mar/06/jose-mourinho-joins-rt-as-world-cup-pundit0 -
Waste of money anyway as they will not be there for long.Benpointer said:
BoJo's words: "I think it will be very difficult to imagine that UK representation at that event could go ahead in the normal way." could fairly be interpreted as England not playing there.kle4 said:
The BBC report I read made the same point, in less partisan fashion.calum said:Guido spinning for Boris
https://order-order.com/2018/03/06/no-boris-didnt-say-england-might-pull-world-cup/
(Then again maybe he meant to encourage England to get beyond the first knock-out round for a change!)0
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