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Twitter people are people too....John_M said:
Oh. Twitter people.0 -
OT Something to repeat from 'Fall Out'.
With 533 more votes in the right place, May would have a majority. With ~2,000 extra votes judiciously applied, we'd have PM Corbyn (and presumably many here would be in the Gulag).
The politics are exquisite.0 -
Joking aside I wasn’t shocked last year when a Leaver talked about repatriation of Indians.Beverley_C said:TheScreamingEagles said:
Don’t worry, David Davis and Liam Fox will be in charge of the deportations.Beverley_C said:
The Leavers will blame everyone else for not doing Brexit the correct way. Presumably the deportations will start soon after...Scott_P said:
I saw a theory recently that some of the motivation for the Leave was a rejection of complexity.AlastairMeeks said:The line of thought is simple enough, I grant you.
Life was simpler when everybody you met spoke English (only)
Life was simpler when our passports were Blue.
It would be simpler to use the NHS if the waiting rooms were empty.
A Free trade deal with the EU will be the simplest in history. We can get it done in an afternoon.
If that is true, it begs the question what happens when Brexit increases the complexity of life in almost every area.
Those two cock juggling thunder twats are so incompetent they’ll end up deporting Leavers and importing loads of EU citizens.
An inevitable consequence of things like the Breaking Point posters.0 -
I had never heard of the Rashidun Caliphs so I googled it. 632 - 611 AD????Elliot said:
What they mean by "lack of morals" is "not Muslim". I grew up in the Muslim community. While most Muslims are decent, kind-hearted people, there is an Islam nationalistic subset that regards non-Muslim girls as "kuffar scum". They do not dress modestly, showing their arms, legs, hair etc so deserve what they get. Often they will justify it by referring to how non-Muslim women were treated as sex slaves under the Rashidun Caliphs.Beverley_C said:
Odd that they have no problem with their own morals - being molesters, rapists, abusers, etc.David_Evershed said:...
Think tank the Quillam Foundation, which focuses on counter-extremism, said 84% of the 264 offenders convicted of grooming between 2005 and 2017 were of south Asian heritage.
Mr Spicer said the perpetrator he spoke to "displayed no regret" and "spoke in a derogatory manner about a lack of morals in British girls".
Other peoples's morals are obviously more important ...
That is their model of behaviour in the modern world? They need to wise up.
Having said, some christian sects and group could do with modernising too..0 -
Scotland not doing too well in the curling.0
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*sulkily concedes the point*Beverley_C said:
Twitter people are people too....John_M said:
Oh. Twitter people.0 -
It's one of the tenets of Salafism - the pure wine of the Caliphate has been diluted by endless hadiths and sundry other compromises with the secular world. It's a little like Old Testament Judaism - the reason there are so many ills in the Islamic world is because the people have strayed from the True Path.Beverley_C said:
I had never heard of the Rashidun Caliphs so I googled it. 632 - 611 AD????Elliot said:
What they mean by "lack of morals" is "not Muslim". I grew up in the Muslim community. While most Muslims are decent, kind-hearted people, there is an Islam nationalistic subset that regards non-Muslim girls as "kuffar scum". They do not dress modestly, showing their arms, legs, hair etc so deserve what they get. Often they will justify it by referring to how non-Muslim women were treated as sex slaves under the Rashidun Caliphs.Beverley_C said:
Odd that they have no problem with their own morals - being molesters, rapists, abusers, etc.David_Evershed said:...
Think tank the Quillam Foundation, which focuses on counter-extremism, said 84% of the 264 offenders convicted of grooming between 2005 and 2017 were of south Asian heritage.
Mr Spicer said the perpetrator he spoke to "displayed no regret" and "spoke in a derogatory manner about a lack of morals in British girls".
Other peoples's morals are obviously more important ...
That is their model of behaviour in the modern world? They need to wise up.
Having said, some christian sects and group could do with modernising too..0 -
Except the bots.Beverley_C said:
Twitter people are people too....John_M said:
Oh. Twitter people.0 -
The taxation policy of the Rashidun Caliphs sounds very similar to John McDonnell's:Beverley_C said:
I had never heard of the Rashidun Caliphs so I googled it. 632 - 611 AD????Elliot said:
What they mean by "lack of morals" is "not Muslim". I grew up in the Muslim community. While most Muslims are decent, kind-hearted people, there is an Islam nationalistic subset that regards non-Muslim girls as "kuffar scum". They do not dress modestly, showing their arms, legs, hair etc so deserve what they get. Often they will justify it by referring to how non-Muslim women were treated as sex slaves under the Rashidun Caliphs.Beverley_C said:
Odd that they have no problem with their own morals - being molesters, rapists, abusers, etc.David_Evershed said:...
Think tank the Quillam Foundation, which focuses on counter-extremism, said 84% of the 264 offenders convicted of grooming between 2005 and 2017 were of south Asian heritage.
Mr Spicer said the perpetrator he spoke to "displayed no regret" and "spoke in a derogatory manner about a lack of morals in British girls".
Other peoples's morals are obviously more important ...
That is their model of behaviour in the modern world? They need to wise up.
Having said, some christian sects and group could do with modernising too..
Zakāt (زكاة) is the Islamic concept of luxury tax. It was taken from the Muslims in the amount of 2.5% of their dormant wealth (over a certain amount unused for a year) to give to the poor. Only persons whose annual wealth exceeded a minimum level (nisab) were collected from. The nisab does not include primary residence, primary transportation, moderate amount of woven jewelry, etc
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Kharaj was a tax on agricultural land.
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Ushr was a reciprocal 10% levy on agricultural land as well as merchandise imported from states that taxed the Muslims on their products.0 -
We dont have a proportional system in the UK -we have a seats based system. You are also giving Corbyn 52% of the vote by handing over the Lib Dem vote to Corbyn. LIb Dems are not Corbynites and are opposed to most of his programme. You cannot just tot up all those who did not vote Tory and assume they are all pro Corbyn.HYUFD said:
First that poll is barely a few months after the general election and second the Nationals are still in front on voteshare (and almost certainly seats on that poll) and third Ardern is not Corbyn, after all she once worked for Blair.Pulpstar said:
There is a live test of more or less this scenario going on in New Zealand right now. I think Labour would head into a definite poll lead here if it happened, at the expense of Lib Dem and (In Scotland) SNP share.HYUFD said:
True, though I expect the new Tory Leader of the Opposition would relish fighting a Corbyn minority government propped up by the SNP, LDs and Greens at the next general electionvolcanopete said:There's certainly a moral case for Mr Corbyn to try to form a government in the case of TMay losing a vote of no confidence.Should he be able to secure a working arrangement of some sort with the LDs,SNP and Greens,he would represent 52% of those who voted in GE2017,a good basis for the validation of a minority government.Some might say it's "the Will of The People".
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/election/2017/results
http://www.newshub.co.nz/home/politics/2018/01/newshub-poll-labour-soars-to-popularity-not-seen-for-a-decade.html
A Corbyn government would likely be as unpopular as the administration of Francois Hollande within a few years and if Hollande had stood for re election and not Macron he would have lost to the UMP candidate by a landslide0 -
I’d make a great Caliph.John_M said:
It's one of the tenets of Salafism - the pure wine of the Caliphate has been diluted by endless hadiths and sundry other compromises with the secular world. It's a little like Old Testament Judaism - the reason there are so many ills in the Islamic world is because the people have strayed from the True Path.Beverley_C said:
I had never heard of the Rashidun Caliphs so I googled it. 632 - 611 AD????Elliot said:
What they mean by "lack of morals" is "not Muslim". I grew up in the Muslim community. While most Muslims are decent, kind-hearted people, there is an Islam nationalistic subset that regards non-Muslim girls as "kuffar scum". They do not dress modestly, showing their arms, legs, hair etc so deserve what they get. Often they will justify it by referring to how non-Muslim women were treated as sex slaves under the Rashidun Caliphs.Beverley_C said:
Odd that they have no problem with their own morals - being molesters, rapists, abusers, etc.David_Evershed said:...
Think tank the Quillam Foundation, which focuses on counter-extremism, said 84% of the 264 offenders convicted of grooming between 2005 and 2017 were of south Asian heritage.
Mr Spicer said the perpetrator he spoke to "displayed no regret" and "spoke in a derogatory manner about a lack of morals in British girls".
Other peoples's morals are obviously more important ...
That is their model of behaviour in the modern world? They need to wise up.
Having said, some christian sects and group could do with modernising too..
First Hadith - Stop killing people you twats.
Second Hadith - You do realise the 72 virgins are all male.0 -
I am quite convinced that there is a lot of closet racism and xenophobia on the Leave side. None of their arguments about "taking back control" or "better trade agreements" or (god forbid) "the importance of blue passports" make any sense when closely examined.TheScreamingEagles said:
Joking aside I wasn’t shocked last year when a Leaver talked about repatriation of Indians.Beverley_C said:TheScreamingEagles said:
Don’t worry, David Davis and Liam Fox will be in charge of the deportations.Beverley_C said:
The Leavers will blame everyone else for not doing Brexit the correct way. Presumably the deportations will start soon after...Scott_P said:
I saw a theory recently that some of the motivation for the Leave was a rejection of complexity.AlastairMeeks said:The line of thought is simple enough, I grant you.
Life was simpler when everybody you met spoke English (only)
Life was simpler when our passports were Blue.
It would be simpler to use the NHS if the waiting rooms were empty.
A Free trade deal with the EU will be the simplest in history. We can get it done in an afternoon.
If that is true, it begs the question what happens when Brexit increases the complexity of life in almost every area.
Those two cock juggling thunder twats are so incompetent they’ll end up deporting Leavers and importing loads of EU citizens.
An inevitable consequence of things like the Breaking Point posters.
If they think that, post Brexit, we are going to be living in a biscuit-tin copy of a Cotswold village then they are all off their trolleys.
They can do what the hell they like. I no longer care. If an opportunity arises to stop Brexit I will give it my backing as is my democratic right in a free society, but however Brexit turns out, the responsibility for it is with "Leave". This is project, their vision and their dream. If it goes belly-up then it is their fault too.0 -
I’ve paid the Zakāt ever year since I was 22.Richard_Nabavi said:
The taxation policy of the Rashidun Caliphs sounds very similar to John McDonnell's:Beverley_C said:
I had never heard of the Rashidun Caliphs so I googled it. 632 - 611 AD????Elliot said:
What they mean by "lack of morals" is "not Muslim". I grew up in the Muslim community. While most Muslims are decent, kind-hearted people, there is an Islam nationalistic subset that regards non-Muslim girls as "kuffar scum". They do not dress modestly, showing their arms, legs, hair etc so deserve what they get. Often they will justify it by referring to how non-Muslim women were treated as sex slaves under the Rashidun Caliphs.Beverley_C said:
Odd that they have no problem with their own morals - being molesters, rapists, abusers, etc.David_Evershed said:...
Think tank the Quillam Foundation, which focuses on counter-extremism, said 84% of the 264 offenders convicted of grooming between 2005 and 2017 were of south Asian heritage.
Mr Spicer said the perpetrator he spoke to "displayed no regret" and "spoke in a derogatory manner about a lack of morals in British girls".
Other peoples's morals are obviously more important ...
That is their model of behaviour in the modern world? They need to wise up.
Having said, some christian sects and group could do with modernising too..
Zakāt (زكاة) is the Islamic concept of luxury tax. It was taken from the Muslims in the amount of 2.5% of their dormant wealth (over a certain amount unused for a year) to give to the poor. Only persons whose annual wealth exceeded a minimum level (nisab) were collected from. The nisab does not include primary residence, primary transportation, moderate amount of woven jewelry, etc
...
Kharaj was a tax on agricultural land.
...
Ushr was a reciprocal 10% levy on agricultural land as well as merchandise imported from states that taxed the Muslims on their products.
My mother insists on it.0 -
So basically Islamists act in exactly the same way as the far left excusing the disaster that is Venezuela?John_M said:
It's one of the tenets of Salafism - the pure wine of the Caliphate has been diluted by endless hadiths and sundry other compromises with the secular world. It's a little like Old Testament Judaism - the reason there are so many ills in the Islamic world is because the people have strayed from the True Path.Beverley_C said:
I had never heard of the Rashidun Caliphs so I googled it. 632 - 611 AD????Elliot said:
What they mean by "lack of morals" is "not Muslim". I grew up in the Muslim community. While most Muslims are decent, kind-hearted people, there is an Islam nationalistic subset that regards non-Muslim girls as "kuffar scum". They do not dress modestly, showing their arms, legs, hair etc so deserve what they get. Often they will justify it by referring to how non-Muslim women were treated as sex slaves under the Rashidun Caliphs.Beverley_C said:
Odd that they have no problem with their own morals - being molesters, rapists, abusers, etc.David_Evershed said:...
Think tank the Quillam Foundation, which focuses on counter-extremism, said 84% of the 264 offenders convicted of grooming between 2005 and 2017 were of south Asian heritage.
Mr Spicer said the perpetrator he spoke to "displayed no regret" and "spoke in a derogatory manner about a lack of morals in British girls".
Other peoples's morals are obviously more important ...
That is their model of behaviour in the modern world? They need to wise up.
Having said, some christian sects and group could do with modernising too..
Explains the joint problem with antisemitism, I suppose.0 -
Works for meTheScreamingEagles said:
I’d make a great Caliph.John_M said:
It's one of the tenets of Salafism - the pure wine of the Caliphate has been diluted by endless hadiths and sundry other compromises with the secular world. It's a little like Old Testament Judaism - the reason there are so many ills in the Islamic world is because the people have strayed from the True Path.Beverley_C said:
I had never heard of the Rashidun Caliphs so I googled it. 632 - 611 AD????Elliot said:
What they mean by "lack of morals" is "not Muslim". I grew up in the Muslim community. While most Muslims are decent, kind-hearted people, there is an Islam nationalistic subset that regards non-Muslim girls as "kuffar scum". They do not dress modestly, showing their arms, legs, hair etc so deserve what they get. Often they will justify it by referring to how non-Muslim women were treated as sex slaves under the Rashidun Caliphs.Beverley_C said:
Odd that they have no problem with their own morals - being molesters, rapists, abusers, etc.David_Evershed said:...
Think tank the Quillam Foundation, which focuses on counter-extremism, said 84% of the 264 offenders convicted of grooming between 2005 and 2017 were of south Asian heritage.
Mr Spicer said the perpetrator he spoke to "displayed no regret" and "spoke in a derogatory manner about a lack of morals in British girls".
Other peoples's morals are obviously more important ...
That is their model of behaviour in the modern world? They need to wise up.
Having said, some christian sects and group could do with modernising too..
First Hadith - Stop killing people you twats.
Second Hadith - You do realise the 72 virgins are all male. 0 -
Reminds me of an old expression in the early years of the World Wide Web.TheScreamingEagles said:
Except the bots.Beverley_C said:
Twitter people are people too....John_M said:
Oh. Twitter people.
The Internet: Where the men are men, the women are men and children are FBI agents.0 -
I don't understand why May indulges Soubry - have a quiet word with her constituency chairman or something.
She didn't cut it as a minister - more trouble than she's worth.0 -
And small, furry creatures from Alpha Centauri ... ???Philip_Thompson said:
Reminds me of an old expression in the early years of the World Wide Web.TheScreamingEagles said:
Except the bots.Beverley_C said:
Twitter people are people too....John_M said:
Oh. Twitter people.
The Internet: Where the men are men, the women are men and children are FBI agents.0 -
As I say, you are confused.MaxPB said:
I'm not confusing anything, there are Tory MPs who have voted for Brexit and Tory MPs who have voted against. Last time there were 12 of your lot. Not exactly the earth shattering figure that is being presented.TOPPING said:
Max is confusing rebels with Remainers. Plenty of the latter have never and never will rebel. Which is of course not to say that they are not biding their time for events.rkrkrk said:
Didn’t most Tory MPs back Remain?MaxPB said:On the party being split, there are more of us then there are of them. Eventually the last EUphiles will be removed from the party and there will be no split. The last EUsceptic split was 93 MPs the last EUphile split was 12 MPs.
There is a smallish union set of remainers and rebels. You said "eventually the last EUphiles will be removed from the party". There are dozens at least more likely hundreds of EUPhile MPs in the Conservative Party. They ain't going anywhere for the foreseeable future.0 -
Diacritics over words transliterated into English, a language with no diacritics.TheScreamingEagles said:
I’ve paid the Zakāt ever year since I was 22.Richard_Nabavi said:
The taxation policy of the Rashidun Caliphs sounds very similar to John McDonnell's:Beverley_C said:
I had never heard of the Rashidun Caliphs so I googled it. 632 - 611 AD????Elliot said:
What they mean by "lack of morals" is "not Muslim". I grew up in the Muslim community. While most Muslims are decent, kind-hearted people, there is an Islam nationalistic subset that regards non-Muslim girls as "kuffar scum". They do not dress modestly, showing their arms, legs, hair etc so deserve what they get. Often they will justify it by referring to how non-Muslim women were treated as sex slaves under the Rashidun Caliphs.Beverley_C said:
Odd that they have no problem with their own morals - being molesters, rapists, abusers, etc.David_Evershed said:...
Think tank the Quillam Foundation, which focuses on counter-extremism, said 84% of the 264 offenders convicted of grooming between 2005 and 2017 were of south Asian heritage.
Mr Spicer said the perpetrator he spoke to "displayed no regret" and "spoke in a derogatory manner about a lack of morals in British girls".
Other peoples's morals are obviously more important ...
That is their model of behaviour in the modern world? They need to wise up.
Having said, some christian sects and group could do with modernising too..
Zakāt (زكاة) is the Islamic concept of luxury tax. It was taken from the Muslims in the amount of 2.5% of their dormant wealth (over a certain amount unused for a year) to give to the poor. Only persons whose annual wealth exceeded a minimum level (nisab) were collected from. The nisab does not include primary residence, primary transportation, moderate amount of woven jewelry, etc
...
Kharaj was a tax on agricultural land.
...
Ushr was a reciprocal 10% levy on agricultural land as well as merchandise imported from states that taxed the Muslims on their products.
My mother insists on it.
When did this become OK? It makes no sense to me.0 -
Are seemingly a very personal fantasy. Each to their own...Beverley_C said:
And small, furry creatures from Alpha Centauri ... ???Philip_Thompson said:
Reminds me of an old expression in the early years of the World Wide Web.TheScreamingEagles said:
Except the bots.Beverley_C said:
Twitter people are people too....John_M said:
Oh. Twitter people.
The Internet: Where the men are men, the women are men and children are FBI agents.0 -
Beverley_C said:
And small, furry creatures from Alpha Centauri ... ???Philip_Thompson said:
Reminds me of an old expression in the early years of the World Wide Web.TheScreamingEagles said:
Except the bots.Beverley_C said:
Twitter people are people too....John_M said:
Oh. Twitter people.
The Internet: Where the men are men, the women are men and children are FBI agents.
... were the only voters for the LibDems.
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Who to?TheScreamingEagles said:
I’ve paid the Zakāt ever year since I was 22.Richard_Nabavi said:
The taxation policy of the Rashidun Caliphs sounds very similar to John McDonnell's:Beverley_C said:
I had never heard of the Rashidun Caliphs so I googled it. 632 - 611 AD????Elliot said:
What they mean by "lack of morals" is "not Muslim". I grew up in the Muslim community. While most Muslims are decent, kind-hearted people, there is an Islam nationalistic subset that regards non-Muslim girls as "kuffar scum". They do not dress modestly, showing their arms, legs, hair etc so deserve what they get. Often they will justify it by referring to how non-Muslim women were treated as sex slaves under the Rashidun Caliphs.Beverley_C said:
Odd that they have no problem with their own morals - being molesters, rapists, abusers, etc.David_Evershed said:...
Think tank the Quillam Foundation, which focuses on counter-extremism, said 84% of the 264 offenders convicted of grooming between 2005 and 2017 were of south Asian heritage.
Mr Spicer said the perpetrator he spoke to "displayed no regret" and "spoke in a derogatory manner about a lack of morals in British girls".
Other peoples's morals are obviously more important ...
That is their model of behaviour in the modern world? They need to wise up.
Having said, some christian sects and group could do with modernising too..
Zakāt (زكاة) is the Islamic concept of luxury tax. It was taken from the Muslims in the amount of 2.5% of their dormant wealth (over a certain amount unused for a year) to give to the poor. Only persons whose annual wealth exceeded a minimum level (nisab) were collected from. The nisab does not include primary residence, primary transportation, moderate amount of woven jewelry, etc
...
Kharaj was a tax on agricultural land.
...
Ushr was a reciprocal 10% levy on agricultural land as well as merchandise imported from states that taxed the Muslims on their products.
My mother insists on it.0 -
To those less fortunate than us.Philip_Thompson said:
Who to?TheScreamingEagles said:
I’ve paid the Zakāt ever year since I was 22.Richard_Nabavi said:
The taxation policy of the Rashidun Caliphs sounds very similar to John McDonnell's:Beverley_C said:
I had never heard of the Rashidun Caliphs so I googled it. 632 - 611 AD????Elliot said:
What they mean by "lack of morals" is "not Muslim". I grew up in the Muslim community. While most Muslims are decent, kind-hearted people, there is an Islam nationalistic subset that regards non-Muslim girls as "kuffar scum". They do not dress modestly, showing their arms, legs, hair etc so deserve what they get. Often they will justify it by referring to how non-Muslim women were treated as sex slaves under the Rashidun Caliphs.Beverley_C said:
Odd that they have no problem with their own morals - being molesters, rapists, abusers, etc.David_Evershed said:...
Think tank the Quillam Foundation, which focuses on counter-extremism, said 84% of the 264 offenders convicted of grooming between 2005 and 2017 were of south Asian heritage.
Mr Spicer said the perpetrator he spoke to "displayed no regret" and "spoke in a derogatory manner about a lack of morals in British girls".
Other peoples's morals are obviously more important ...
That is their model of behaviour in the modern world? They need to wise up.
Having said, some christian sects and group could do with modernising too..
Zakāt (زكاة) is the Islamic concept of luxury tax. It was taken from the Muslims in the amount of 2.5% of their dormant wealth (over a certain amount unused for a year) to give to the poor. Only persons whose annual wealth exceeded a minimum level (nisab) were collected from. The nisab does not include primary residence, primary transportation, moderate amount of woven jewelry, etc
...
Kharaj was a tax on agricultural land.
...
Ushr was a reciprocal 10% levy on agricultural land as well as merchandise imported from states that taxed the Muslims on their products.
My mother insists on it.
I think one year my Zakāt paid for someone’s wedding.0 -
Indeed.Beverley_C said:
Having said, some christian sects and group could do with modernising too..
https://twitter.com/LibyaLiberty/status/9667242664011161610 -
Similar behaviour had been commonplace since at least 1975...RoyalBlue said:
Diacritics over words transliterated into English, a language with no diacritics.TheScreamingEagles said:
I’ve paid the Zakāt ever year since I was 22.Richard_Nabavi said:
The taxation policy of the Rashidun Caliphs sounds very similar to John McDonnell's:Beverley_C said:
I had never heard of the Rashidun Caliphs so I googled it. 632 - 611 AD????Elliot said:
What they mean by "lack of morals" is "not Muslim"... Often they will justify it by referring to how non-Muslim women were treated as sex slaves under the Rashidun Caliphs.Beverley_C said:
Odd that they have no problem with their own morals - being molesters, rapists, abusers, etc.David_Evershed said:...
Think tank the Quillam Foundation, which focuses on counter-extremism, said 84% of the 264 offenders convicted of grooming between 2005 and 2017 were of south Asian heritage.
Mr Spicer said the perpetrator he spoke to "displayed no regret" and "spoke in a derogatory manner about a lack of morals in British girls".
Other peoples's morals are obviously more important ...
That is their model of behaviour in the modern world? They need to wise up.
Having said, some christian sects and group could do with modernising too..
Zakāt (زكاة) is the Islamic concept of luxury tax. It was taken from the Muslims in the amount of 2.5% of their dormant wealth (over a certain amount unused for a year) to give to the poor. Only persons whose annual wealth exceeded a minimum level (nisab) were collected from. The nisab does not include primary residence, primary transportation, moderate amount of woven jewelry, etc
...
Kharaj was a tax on agricultural land.
...
Ushr was a reciprocal 10% levy on agricultural land as well as merchandise imported from states that taxed the Muslims on their products.
My mother insists on it.
When did this become OK? It makes no sense to me.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Motörhead
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Which brexiteers were advocating creating a new customs union as part of their dream?Beverley_C said:
I am quite convinced that there is a lot of closet racism and xenophobia on the Leave side. None of their arguments about "taking back control" or "better trade agreements" or (god forbid) "the importance of blue passports" make any sense when closely examined.TheScreamingEagles said:
Joking aside I wasn’t shocked last year when a Leaver talked about repatriation of Indians.Beverley_C said:TheScreamingEagles said:
Don’t worry, David Davis and Liam Fox will be in charge of the deportations.Beverley_C said:
The Leavers will blame everyone else for not doing Brexit the correct way. Presumably the deportations will start soon after...Scott_P said:
I saw a theory recently that some of the motivation for the Leave was a rejection of complexity.AlastairMeeks said:The line of thought is simple enough, I grant you.
Life was simpler when everybody you met spoke English (only)
Life was simpler when our passports were Blue.
It would be simpler to use the NHS if the waiting rooms were empty.
A Free trade deal with the EU will be the simplest in history. We can get it done in an afternoon.
If that is true, it begs the question what happens when Brexit increases the complexity of life in almost every area.
Those two cock juggling thunder twats are so incompetent they’ll end up deporting Leavers and importing loads of EU citizens.
An inevitable consequence of things like the Breaking Point posters.
If they think that, post Brexit, we are going to be living in a biscuit-tin copy of a Cotswold village then they are all off their trolleys.
They can do what the hell they like. I no longer care. If an opportunity arises to stop Brexit I will give it my backing as is my democratic right in a free society, but however Brexit turns out, the responsibility for it is with "Leave". This is project, their vision and their dream. If it goes belly-up then it is their fault too.
You only get to shift all blame onto brexiteers if you let them call the shots.0 -
Boredom is necessary. We won't put an end to Brexit until people get so fed up with it that they will sign up to any union, single market or vassal state that it is going, just to make it go away. The end point we are aiming for is, much the same as before but sufficiently inferior to it that the EU can make its point about the value of membership and thereby discourage anyone else from being quite as stupid as we were.williamglenn said:It's interesting how many people have suddenly started saying they're bored/exhausted/fed up with Brexit. A definite change in mood in the last few days.
It seems to be turning out as I expected.0 -
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No, the people!MarkHopkins said:Sunil_Prasannan said:
Who elects Parliament?TheScreamingEagles said:
Ok.Elliot said:
I'm not sure. I think this negotiation is more important than any single year's legislative agenda.TheScreamingEagles said:
They voted against their own government’s Queen Speech.Elliot said:
Did any of them side with the opposition to legally tie his hands in his negotiation with the EU?TheScreamingEagles said:
If only Dave had done that between 2010 and 2016 then Mrs May wouldn’t have to deal with the ERG lot.Casino_Royale said:Any Conservative MP who votes against Government policy should immediately have the whip removed, and de-selected.
So much worse.
So following on with your premise, why do you hate a sovereign Parliament ?
I was assured that’s what the referendum was about and nowt to do with immigration.
The Russians?0 -
BJGPS. Being Junior Governing Party Sucks. Iron rule of politics.Pulpstar said:
There is a live test of more or less this scenario going on in New Zealand right now. I think Labour would head into a definite poll lead here if it happened, at the expense of Lib Dem and (In Scotland) SNP share.
http://www.newshub.co.nz/home/politics/2018/01/newshub-poll-labour-soars-to-popularity-not-seen-for-a-decade.html0 -
They are calling the shots. We do not have a "Remain" govt.chrisoxon said:
Which brexiteers were advocating creating a new customs union as part of their dream?Beverley_C said:
I am quite convinced that there is a lot of closet racism and xenophobia on the Leave side. None of their arguments about "taking back control" or "better trade agreements" or (god forbid) "the importance of blue passports" make any sense when closely examined.TheScreamingEagles said:
Joking aside I wasn’t shocked last year when a Leaver talked about repatriation of Indians.Beverley_C said:TheScreamingEagles said:
Don’t worry, David Davis and Liam Fox will be in charge of the deportations.Beverley_C said:
The Leavers will blame everyone else for not doing Brexit the correct way. Presumably the deportations will start soon after...Scott_P said:
I saw a theory recently that some of the motivation for the Leave was a rejection of complexity.AlastairMeeks said:The line of thought is simple enough, I grant you.
Life was simpler when everybody you met spoke English (only)
Life was simpler when our passports were Blue.
It would be simpler to use the NHS if the waiting rooms were empty.
A Free trade deal with the EU will be the simplest in history. We can get it done in an afternoon.
If that is true, it begs the question what happens when Brexit increases the complexity of life in almost every area.
Those two cock juggling thunder twats are so incompetent they’ll end up deporting Leavers and importing loads of EU citizens.
An inevitable consequence of things like the Breaking Point posters.
If they think that, post Brexit, we are going to be living in a biscuit-tin copy of a Cotswold village then they are all off their trolleys.
They can do what the hell they like. I no longer care. If an opportunity arises to stop Brexit I will give it my backing as is my democratic right in a free society, but however Brexit turns out, the responsibility for it is with "Leave". This is project, their vision and their dream. If it goes belly-up then it is their fault too.
You only get to shift all blame onto brexiteers if you let them call the shots.0 -
Three new German polls out today, putting the Social Democrats on 17% or 17.5%.
https://www.wahlrecht.de/umfragen/
Latest averages:
CDU/CSU 32.9%
SPD 17.1%
AfD 14.0%
Greens 12.3%
Left 10.1%
FDP 9.1%
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Theresa May is a REMAINER?Beverley_C said:
They are calling the shots. We do not have a "Remain" govt.chrisoxon said:
Which brexiteers were advocating creating a new customs union as part of their dream?Beverley_C said:
I am quite convinced that there is a lot of closet racism and xenophobia on the Leave side. None of their arguments about "taking back control" or "better trade agreements" or (god forbid) "the importance of blue passports" make any sense when closely examined.TheScreamingEagles said:
Joking aside I wasn’t shocked last year when a Leaver talked about repatriation of Indians.Beverley_C said:TheScreamingEagles said:
Don’t worry, David Davis and Liam Fox will be in charge of the deportations.Beverley_C said:
The Leavers will blame everyone else for not doing Brexit the correct way. Presumably the deportations will start soon after...Scott_P said:
I saw a theory recently that some of the motivation for the Leave was a rejection of complexity.AlastairMeeks said:The line of thought is simple enough, I grant you.
Life was simpler when everybody you met spoke English (only)
Life was simpler when our passports were Blue.
It would be simpler to use the NHS if the waiting rooms were empty.
A Free trade deal with the EU will be the simplest in history. We can get it done in an afternoon.
If that is true, it begs the question what happens when Brexit increases the complexity of life in almost every area.
Those two cock juggling thunder twats are so incompetent they’ll end up deporting Leavers and importing loads of EU citizens.
An inevitable consequence of things like the Breaking Point posters.
If they think that, post Brexit, we are going to be living in a biscuit-tin copy of a Cotswold village then they are all off their trolleys.
They can do what the hell they like. I no longer care. If an opportunity arises to stop Brexit I will give it my backing as is my democratic right in a free society, but however Brexit turns out, the responsibility for it is with "Leave". This is project, their vision and their dream. If it goes belly-up then it is their fault too.
You only get to shift all blame onto brexiteers if you let them call the shots.0 -
The pure wine of Brexit has been diluted by all these motions and sundry other compromises with political reality. All the ills of Brexit are due to parliamentarians straying from the True Path.0
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She did as a business minister. She's a cut above most of the current front bench, whether you like her or not (I don't)TGOHF said:I don't understand why May indulges Soubry - have a quiet word with her constituency chairman or something.
She didn't cut it as a minister - more trouble than she's worth.0 -
A very good article on the US midterms:
https://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2018/02/23/2018-election-analysis-politics-2170730 -
Chloë, Zoë, etc. Nothing new.Nigelb said:
Similar behaviour had been commonplace since at least 1975...RoyalBlue said:
Diacritics over words transliterated into English, a language with no diacritics.TheScreamingEagles said:
I’ve paid the Zakāt ever year since I was 22.Richard_Nabavi said:
The taxation policy of the Rashidun Caliphs sounds very similar to John McDonnell's:Beverley_C said:
I had never heard of the Rashidun Caliphs so I googled it. 632 - 611 AD????Elliot said:
What they mean by "lack of morals" is "not Muslim"... Often they will justify it by referring to how non-Muslim women were treated as sex slaves under the Rashidun Caliphs.Beverley_C said:
Odd that they have no problem with their own morals - being molesters, rapists, abusers, etc.David_Evershed said:...
Think tank the Quillam Foundation, which focuses on counter-extremism, said 84% of the 264 offenders convicted of grooming between 2005 and 2017 were of south Asian heritage.
Mr Spicer said the perpetrator he spoke to "displayed no regret" and "spoke in a derogatory manner about a lack of morals in British girls".
Other peoples's morals are obviously more important ...
That is their model of behaviour in the modern world? They need to wise up.
Having said, some christian sects and group could do with modernising too..
Zakāt (زكاة) is the Islamic concept of luxury tax. It was taken from the Muslims in the amount of 2.5% of their dormant wealth (over a certain amount unused for a year) to give to the poor. Only persons whose annual wealth exceeded a minimum level (nisab) were collected from. The nisab does not include primary residence, primary transportation, moderate amount of woven jewelry, etc
...
Kharaj was a tax on agricultural land.
...
Ushr was a reciprocal 10% levy on agricultural land as well as merchandise imported from states that taxed the Muslims on their products.
My mother insists on it.
When did this become OK? It makes no sense to me.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Motörhead0 -
I should also say prevarication is necessary. Theresa May doesn't get much respect but she is doing* what she needs to do. Rees Mogg could muck everything up, however, by bringing down May. That would put Britain into a real crisis. There's an argument for him to do so. Time is against those that want a meaningful Brexit.FF43 said:
Boredom is necessary. We won't put an end to Brexit until people get so fed up with it that they will sign up to any union, single market or vassal state that it is going, just to make it go away. The end point we are aiming for is, much the same as before but sufficiently inferior to it that the EU can make its point about the value of membership and thereby discourage anyone else from being quite as stupid as we were.williamglenn said:It's interesting how many people have suddenly started saying they're bored/exhausted/fed up with Brexit. A definite change in mood in the last few days.
It seems to be turning out as I expected.
* Edit. More accurately, not doing what she needs not to do,0 -
This year it can go behind the bar at the next PB drinks do?TheScreamingEagles said:
To those less fortunate than us.Philip_Thompson said:
Who to?TheScreamingEagles said:
I’ve paid the Zakāt ever year since I was 22.Richard_Nabavi said:
The taxation policy of the Rashidun Caliphs sounds very similar to John McDonnell's:Beverley_C said:
I had never heard of the Rashidun Caliphs so I googled it. 632 - 611 AD????Elliot said:
What they mean by "lack of morals" is "not Muslim". I grew up in the Muslim community. While most Muslims are decent, kind-hearted people, there is an Islam nationalistic subset that regards non-Muslim girls as "kuffar scum". They do not dress modestly, showing their arms, legs, hair etc so deserve what they get. Often they will justify it by referring to how non-Muslim women were treated as sex slaves under the Rashidun Caliphs.Beverley_C said:
Odd that they have no problem with their own morals - being molesters, rapists, abusers, etc.David_Evershed said:...
Think tank the Quillam Foundation, which focuses on counter-extremism, said 84% of the 264 offenders convicted of grooming between 2005 and 2017 were of south Asian heritage.
Mr Spicer said the perpetrator he spoke to "displayed no regret" and "spoke in a derogatory manner about a lack of morals in British girls".
Other peoples's morals are obviously more important ...
That is their model of behaviour in the modern world? They need to wise up.
Having said, some christian sects and group could do with modernising too..
Zakāt (زكاة) is the Islamic concept of luxury tax. It was taken from the Muslims in the amount of 2.5% of their dormant wealth (over a certain amount unused for a year) to give to the poor. Only persons whose annual wealth exceeded a minimum level (nisab) were collected from. The nisab does not include primary residence, primary transportation, moderate amount of woven jewelry, etc
...
Kharaj was a tax on agricultural land.
...
Ushr was a reciprocal 10% levy on agricultural land as well as merchandise imported from states that taxed the Muslims on their products.
My mother insists on it.
I think one year my Zakāt paid for someone’s wedding.
Is another one planned anytime soon?0 -
If I win my bet with HYUFD half the £500 is going behind the bar.Hertsmere_Pubgoer said:
This year it can go behind the bar at the next PB drinks do?TheScreamingEagles said:
To those less fortunate than us.Philip_Thompson said:
Who to?TheScreamingEagles said:
I’ve paid the Zakāt ever year since I was 22.Richard_Nabavi said:
The taxation policy of the Rashidun Caliphs sounds very similar to John McDonnell's:Beverley_C said:
I had never heard of the Rashidun Caliphs so I googled it. 632 - 611 AD????Elliot said:
What they mean by "lack of morals" is "not Muslim". I grew up in the Muslim community. While most Muslims are decent, kind-hearted people, there is an Islam nationalistic subset that regards non-Muslim girls as "kuffar scum". They do not dress modestly, showing their arms, legs, hair etc so deserve what they get. Often they will justify it by referring to how non-Muslim women were treated as sex slaves under the Rashidun Caliphs.Beverley_C said:
Odd that they have no problem with their own morals - being molesters, rapists, abusers, etc.David_Evershed said:...
Think tank the Quillam Foundation, which focuses on counter-extremism, said 84% of the 264 offenders convicted of grooming between 2005 and 2017 were of south Asian heritage.
Mr Spicer said the perpetrator he spoke to "displayed no regret" and "spoke in a derogatory manner about a lack of morals in British girls".
Other peoples's morals are obviously more important ...
That is their model of behaviour in the modern world? They need to wise up.
Having said, some christian sects and group could do with modernising too..
Zakāt (زكاة) is the Islamic concept of luxury tax. It was taken from the Muslims in the amount of 2.5% of their dormant wealth (over a certain amount unused for a year) to give to the poor. Only persons whose annual wealth exceeded a minimum level (nisab) were collected from. The nisab does not include primary residence, primary transportation, moderate amount of woven jewelry, etc
...
Kharaj was a tax on agricultural land.
...
Ushr was a reciprocal 10% levy on agricultural land as well as merchandise imported from states that taxed the Muslims on their products.
My mother insists on it.
I think one year my Zakāt paid for someone’s wedding.
Is another one planned anytime soon?
I’ll ask Mike to arrange a new meet up.0 -
If this is correct, it doesn't much matter what our parliament votes for, we'll be told what we're having:
Frustrated by what they view as unclear UK positions, EU leaders plan to make a no-frills offer based loosely on an existing free trade deal with Canada.
“That will happen no matter whether more or less detail will come from London by that time,” said one senior EU official close to the talks. “We are where we are, and time is ticking.”
The EU’s paper will reflect “what we know about the UK’s red lines”, the official said.
https://www.standard.co.uk/news/politics/eu-officials-attack-theresa-mays-brexit-blueprint-hours-after-chequers-summit-a3774081.html
It's fair enough, actually. In the absence of agreement in the UK, and with the government too weak to impose agreement, the EU has little choice but to impose a solution. Obviously it won't be optimal from our point of view, and obviously it won't be as good as we could have got if Theresa May had been given the negotiating mandate she asked from from voters, but as the Eurocrat says, we are where we are. It won't be as disastrous as crashing out with no agreement at all, or as ending up under WTO rules0 -
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There is almost no chance that the Lib Dems would enter a coalition after the next election, whether Labour- or Conservative-led. (I say "almost" because PR without a referendum would probably swing it.)NickPalmer said:
BJGPS. Being Junior Governing Party Sucks. Iron rule of politics.Pulpstar said:
There is a live test of more or less this scenario going on in New Zealand right now. I think Labour would head into a definite poll lead here if it happened, at the expense of Lib Dem and (In Scotland) SNP share.
http://www.newshub.co.nz/home/politics/2018/01/newshub-poll-labour-soars-to-popularity-not-seen-for-a-decade.html
Confidence & supply is the best that Labour could hope for, and I can't see the Lib Dems even affording that to a Conservative government led by anyone further right than Anna Soubry.
(C&S could actually be a real winner for the Lib Dems - it would mean they'd rarely be out of the headlines, and the party traditionally does better when people are reminded it exists.)0 -
We don't have a leave government either and as the thread header makes clear the government doesn't have an unassailable majority.Beverley_C said:
They are calling the shots. We do not have a "Remain" govt.chrisoxon said:
Which brexiteers were advocating creating a new customs union as part of their dream?Beverley_C said:
I am quite convinced that there is a lot of closet racism and xenophobia on the Leave side. None of their arguments about "taking back control" or "better trade agreements" or (god forbid) "the importance of blue passports" make any sense when closely examined.TheScreamingEagles said:
Joking aside I wasn’t shocked last year when a Leaver talked about repatriation of Indians.Beverley_C said:TheScreamingEagles said:
Don’t worry, David Davis and Liam Fox will be in charge of the deportations.Beverley_C said:
The Leavers will blame everyone else for not doing Brexit the correct way. Presumably the deportations will start soon after...Scott_P said:
I saw a theory recently that some of the motivation for the Leave was a rejection of complexity.AlastairMeeks said:The line of thought is simple enough, I grant you.
Life was simpler when everybody you met spoke English (only)
Life was simpler when our passports were Blue.
It would be simpler to use the NHS if the waiting rooms were empty.
A Free trade deal with the EU will be the simplest in history. We can get it done in an afternoon.
If that is true, it begs the question what happens when Brexit increases the complexity of life in almost every area.
Those two cock juggling thunder twats are so incompetent they’ll end up deporting Leavers and importing loads of EU citizens.
An inevitable consequence of things like the Breaking Point posters.
If they think that, post Brexit, we are going to be living in a biscuit-tin copy of a Cotswold village then they are all off their trolleys.
They can do what the hell they like. I no longer care. If an opportunity arises to stop Brexit I will give it my backing as is my democratic right in a free society, but however Brexit turns out, the responsibility for it is with "Leave". This is project, their vision and their dream. If it goes belly-up then it is their fault too.
You only get to shift all blame onto brexiteers if you let them call the shots.
The big problem we face currently is the lack of strong government. Yes, someone would end up unhappy, but at least we would have leadership. Instead we are headed for expensive time consuming fudge that will make absolutely no one happy.0 -
That's very kind of you old chap.TheScreamingEagles said:
If I win my bet with HYUFD half the £500 is going behind the bar.Hertsmere_Pubgoer said:
This year it can go behind the bar at the next PB drinks do?TheScreamingEagles said:
To those less fortunate than us.Philip_Thompson said:
Who to?TheScreamingEagles said:
I’ve paid the Zakāt ever year since I was 22.Richard_Nabavi said:
The taxation policy of the Rashidun Caliphs sounds very similar to John McDonnell's:Beverley_C said:
I had never heard of the Rashidun Caliphs so I googled it. 632 - 611 AD????Elliot said:
What they mean by "lack of morals" is "not Muslim". I grew up in the Muslim community. While most Muslims are decent, kind-hearted people, there is an Islam nationalistic subset that regards non-Muslim girls as "kuffar scum". They do not dress modestly, showing their arms, legs, hair etc so deserve what they get. Often they will justify it by referring to how non-Muslim women were treated as sex slaves under the Rashidun Caliphs.Beverley_C said:
Odd that they have no problem with their own morals - being molesters, rapists, abusers, etc.David_Evershed said:...
Think tank the Quillam Foundation, which focuses on counter-extremism, said 84% of the 264 offenders convicted of grooming between 2005 and 2017 were of south Asian heritage.
Mr Spicer said the perpetrator he spoke to "displayed no regret" and "spoke in a derogatory manner about a lack of morals in British girls".
Other peoples's morals are obviously more important ...
That is their model of behaviour in the modern world? They need to wise up.
Having said, some christian sects and group could do with modernising too..
Zakāt (زكاة) is the Islamic concept of luxury tax. It was taken from the Muslims in the amount of 2.5% of their dormant wealth (over a certain amount unused for a year) to give to the poor. Only persons whose annual wealth exceeded a minimum level (nisab) were collected from. The nisab does not include primary residence, primary transportation, moderate amount of woven jewelry, etc
...
Kharaj was a tax on agricultural land.
...
Ushr was a reciprocal 10% levy on agricultural land as well as merchandise imported from states that taxed the Muslims on their products.
My mother insists on it.
I think one year my Zakāt paid for someone’s wedding.
Is another one planned anytime soon?
I’ll ask Mike to arrange a new meet up.0 -
She might have been once, but "... if it walks a duck and quacks like a duck then there is a good chance it is a member of the Anatidae family"Sunil_Prasannan said:
Theresa May is a REMAINER?0 -
Anyone got any idea what “ambitious managed divergence” is?0
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Don't bother. It's a wanky theory.Scott_P said:
I saw a theory recently that some of the motivation for the Leave was a rejection of complexity.AlastairMeeks said:The line of thought is simple enough, I grant you.
Life was simpler when everybody you met spoke English (only)
Life was simpler when our passports were Blue.
It would be simpler to use the NHS if the waiting rooms were empty.
A Free trade deal with the EU will be the simplest in history. We can get it done in an afternoon.
If that is true, it begs the question what happens when Brexit increases the complexity of life in almost every area.
It was a rejection of the EU. That is what you can boil the Leave vote down to.0 -
A flavour of fudge?Recidivist said:Anyone got any idea what “ambitious managed divergence” is?
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Divorcing your wife and still expecting steak and fellatio every day after the marriage from her.Recidivist said:Anyone got any idea what “ambitious managed divergence” is?
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.. until you find someone else to provide it, then you manage some further divergence.TheScreamingEagles said:
Divorcing your wife and still expecting steak and fellatio every day after the marriage from her.Recidivist said:Anyone got any idea what “ambitious managed divergence” is?
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Whilst cherry picking and eating cake.TheScreamingEagles said:
Divorcing your wife and still expecting steak and fellatio every day after the marriage from her.Recidivist said:Anyone got any idea what “ambitious managed divergence” is?
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Sounds good. Where do I sign?TheScreamingEagles said:
Divorcing your wife and still expecting steak and fellatio every day after the marriage from her.Recidivist said:Anyone got any idea what “ambitious managed divergence” is?
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Labours policy seems to be divorce, no steak but still have to do your turn at the dishes and listen to nagging for 2 hrs a night.TheScreamingEagles said:
Divorcing your wife and still expecting steak and fellatio every day after the marriage from her.Recidivist said:Anyone got any idea what “ambitious managed divergence” is?
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In the "Leave" box on the ballot paper.....Recidivist said:
Sounds good. Where do I sign?TheScreamingEagles said:
Divorcing your wife and still expecting steak and fellatio every day after the marriage from her.Recidivist said:Anyone got any idea what “ambitious managed divergence” is?
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Well that’s disappointing ambition.Richard_Nabavi said:
.. until you find someone else to provide it, then you manage some further divergence.TheScreamingEagles said:
Divorcing your wife and still expecting steak and fellatio every day after the marriage from her.Recidivist said:Anyone got any idea what “ambitious managed divergence” is?
You should be aiming to set up a harem.0 -
A club with a 98 per cent white European population that puts barriers up to the rest of the world - mostly at the expense of people who wish to trade in poorer developing nations and provides preferential immigration treatment in terms of said citizens over and above more highly qualified people from said poorer nations.MarqueeMark said:
Don't bother. It's a wanky theory.Scott_P said:
I saw a theory recently that some of the motivation for the Leave was a rejection of complexity.AlastairMeeks said:The line of thought is simple enough, I grant you.
Life was simpler when everybody you met spoke English (only)
Life was simpler when our passports were Blue.
It would be simpler to use the NHS if the waiting rooms were empty.
A Free trade deal with the EU will be the simplest in history. We can get it done in an afternoon.
If that is true, it begs the question what happens when Brexit increases the complexity of life in almost every area.
It was a rejection of the EU. That is what you can boil the Leave vote down to.
Yes - the EU is very progressive.
I expect people in the UK just wanted to leave so we could decide our own approach and our own immigration policy. So Indian doctors or Brazilian engineers would actually be treated more favourably in terms of access to live and work here than car washers from Eastern Europe.0 -
Harem ScaremTheScreamingEagles said:
Well that’s disappointing ambition.Richard_Nabavi said:
.. until you find someone else to provide it, then you manage some further divergence.TheScreamingEagles said:
Divorcing your wife and still expecting steak and fellatio every day after the marriage from her.Recidivist said:Anyone got any idea what “ambitious managed divergence” is?
You should be aiming to set up a harem.0 -
There's no one at the wheel on the EU side either. With Germany otherwise preoccupied, the Eurocrats have more influence over Britain than they ever have had before.Richard_Nabavi said:If this is correct, it doesn't much matter what our parliament votes for, we'll be told what we're having:
Frustrated by what they view as unclear UK positions, EU leaders plan to make a no-frills offer based loosely on an existing free trade deal with Canada.
“That will happen no matter whether more or less detail will come from London by that time,” said one senior EU official close to the talks. “We are where we are, and time is ticking.”
The EU’s paper will reflect “what we know about the UK’s red lines”, the official said.
https://www.standard.co.uk/news/politics/eu-officials-attack-theresa-mays-brexit-blueprint-hours-after-chequers-summit-a3774081.html
It's fair enough, actually. In the absence of agreement in the UK, and with the government too weak to impose agreement, the EU has little choice but to impose a solution. Obviously it won't be optimal from our point of view, and obviously it won't be as good as we could have got if Theresa May had been given the negotiating mandate she asked from from voters, but as the Eurocrat says, we are where we are. It won't be as disastrous as crashing out with no agreement at all, or as ending up under WTO rules0 -
One has to be realistic about the negotiating prowess of Wazir al-Fox.TheScreamingEagles said:
Well that’s disappointing ambition.Richard_Nabavi said:
.. until you find someone else to provide it, then you manage some further divergence.TheScreamingEagles said:
Divorcing your wife and still expecting steak and fellatio every day after the marriage from her.Recidivist said:Anyone got any idea what “ambitious managed divergence” is?
You should be aiming to set up a harem.0 -
Yes, and that points towards a fairly uncontroversial deal (in EU27 terms), which is not a very ambitious one from our point of view.AlastairMeeks said:
There's no one at the wheel on the EU side either. With Germany otherwise preoccupied, the Eurocrats have more influence over Britain than they ever have had before.Richard_Nabavi said:If this is correct, it doesn't much matter what our parliament votes for, we'll be told what we're having:
Frustrated by what they view as unclear UK positions, EU leaders plan to make a no-frills offer based loosely on an existing free trade deal with Canada.
“That will happen no matter whether more or less detail will come from London by that time,” said one senior EU official close to the talks. “We are where we are, and time is ticking.”
The EU’s paper will reflect “what we know about the UK’s red lines”, the official said.
https://www.standard.co.uk/news/politics/eu-officials-attack-theresa-mays-brexit-blueprint-hours-after-chequers-summit-a3774081.html
It's fair enough, actually. In the absence of agreement in the UK, and with the government too weak to impose agreement, the EU has little choice but to impose a solution. Obviously it won't be optimal from our point of view, and obviously it won't be as good as we could have got if Theresa May had been given the negotiating mandate she asked from from voters, but as the Eurocrat says, we are where we are. It won't be as disastrous as crashing out with no agreement at all, or as ending up under WTO rules
Edit: Having said that, I think we still are fairly likely to get some accommodation on financial services, because the EU does seem to understand that access to the City is important to them.0 -
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What was the bet?TheScreamingEagles said:
If I win my bet with HYUFD half the £500 is going behind the bar.Hertsmere_Pubgoer said:
This year it can go behind the bar at the next PB drinks do?TheScreamingEagles said:
To those less fortunate than us.Philip_Thompson said:
Who to?TheScreamingEagles said:
I’ve paid the Zakāt ever year since I was 22.Richard_Nabavi said:
The taxation policy of the Rashidun Caliphs sounds very similar to John McDonnell's:Beverley_C said:
I had never heard of the Rashidun Caliphs so I googled it. 632 - 611 AD????Elliot said:
What they mean by "lack of morals" is "not Muslim". I grew up in the Muslim community. While most Muslims are decent, kind-hearted people, there is an Islam nationalistic subset that regards non-Muslim girls as "kuffar scum". They do not dress modestly, showing their arms, legs, hair etc so deserve what they get. Often they will justify it by referring to how non-Muslim women were treated as sex slaves under the Rashidun Caliphs.Beverley_C said:
Odd that they have no problem with their own morals - being molesters, rapists, abusers, etc.David_Evershed said:...
Think tank the Quillam Foundation, which focuses on counter-extremism, said 84% of the 264 offenders convicted of grooming between 2005 and 2017 were of south Asian heritage.
Mr Spicer said the perpetrator he spoke to "displayed no regret" and "spoke in a derogatory manner about a lack of morals in British girls".
Other peoples's morals are obviously more important ...
That is their model of behaviour in the modern world? They need to wise up.
Having said, some christian sects and group could do with modernising too..
Zakāt (زكاة) is the Islamic concept of luxury tax. It was taken from the Muslims in the amount of 2.5% of their dormant wealth (over a certain amount unused for a year) to give to the poor. Only persons whose annual wealth exceeded a minimum level (nisab) were collected from. The nisab does not include primary residence, primary transportation, moderate amount of woven jewelry, etc
...
Kharaj was a tax on agricultural land.
...
Ushr was a reciprocal 10% levy on agricultural land as well as merchandise imported from states that taxed the Muslims on their products.
My mother insists on it.
I think one year my Zakāt paid for someone’s wedding.
Is another one planned anytime soon?
I’ll ask Mike to arrange a new meet up.0 -
Big drop in support for Catalan independence:
https://twitter.com/___m______1___/status/9670108902341140480 -
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SO how is the IOC policy of letting the russians who are definitely clean athletes compete...
A second Russian athlete competing at the Winter Olympics has tested positive for a banned substance.
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I do try to be fair. The EU has reasonably long standing EBA (Everything But Arms) agreements with 49 poor countries. They're tariff and quota free. The criticism is that the RoOs make it hard for those poor countries to climb the value chain, so they tend to be confined to resources, agriculture and simple manufactured goods.brendan16 said:
A club with a 98 per cent white European population that puts barriers up to the rest of the world - mostly at the expense of people who wish to trade in poorer developing nations and provides preferential immigration treatment in terms of said citizens over and above more highly qualified people from said poorer nations.MarqueeMark said:
Don't bother. It's a wanky theory.Scott_P said:
I saw a theory recently that some of the motivation for the Leave was a rejection of complexity.AlastairMeeks said:The line of thought is simple enough, I grant you.
Life was simpler when everybody you met spoke English (only)
Life was simpler when our passports were Blue.
It would be simpler to use the NHS if the waiting rooms were empty.
A Free trade deal with the EU will be the simplest in history. We can get it done in an afternoon.
If that is true, it begs the question what happens when Brexit increases the complexity of life in almost every area.
It was a rejection of the EU. That is what you can boil the Leave vote down to.
Yes - the EU is very progressive.
I expect people in the UK just wanted to leave so we could decide our own approach and our own immigration policy. So Indian doctors or Brazilian engineers would actually be treated more favourably in terms of access to live and work here than car washers from Eastern Europe.0 -
Jeremy Hunt beats either JRM or Boris in the final two.rkrkrk said:
What was the bet?TheScreamingEagles said:
If I win my bet with HYUFD half the £500 is going behind the bar.Hertsmere_Pubgoer said:
This year it can go behind the bar at the next PB drinks do?TheScreamingEagles said:
To those less fortunate than us.Philip_Thompson said:
Who to?TheScreamingEagles said:
I’ve paid the Zakāt ever year since I was 22.Richard_Nabavi said:
The taxation policy of the Rashidun Caliphs sounds very similar to John McDonnell's:Beverley_C said:
I had never heard of the Rashidun Caliphs so I googled it. 632 - 611 AD????Elliot said:
What they mean by "lack of morals" is "not Muslim". I grew up in the Muslim community. While most Muslims are decent, kind-hearted people, there is an Islam nationalistic subset that regards non-Muslim girls as "kuffar scum". They do not dress modestly, showing their arms, legs, hair etc so deserve what they get. Often they will justify it by referring to how non-Muslim women were treated as sex slaves under the Rashidun Caliphs.Beverley_C said:
Odd that they have no problem with their own morals - being molesters, rapists, abusers, etc.David_Evershed said:...
Think tank the Quillam Foundation, which focuses on counter-extremism, said 84% of the 264 offenders convicted of grooming between 2005 and 2017 were of south Asian heritage.
Mr Spicer said the perpetrator he spoke to "displayed no regret" and "spoke in a derogatory manner about a lack of morals in British girls".
Other peoples's morals are obviously more important ...
That is their model of behaviour in the modern world? They need to wise up.
Having said, some christian sects and group could do with modernising too..
Zakāt (زكاة) is the Islamic concept of luxury tax. It was taken from the Muslims in the amount of 2.5% of their dormant wealth (over a certain amount unused for a year) to give to the poor. Only persons whose annual wealth exceeded a minimum level (nisab) were collected from. The nisab does not include primary residence, primary transportation, moderate amount of woven jewelry, etc
...
Kharaj was a tax on agricultural land.
...
Ushr was a reciprocal 10% levy on agricultural land as well as merchandise imported from states that taxed the Muslims on their products.
My mother insists on it.
I think one year my Zakāt paid for someone’s wedding.
Is another one planned anytime soon?
I’ll ask Mike to arrange a new meet up.
HYUFD offered me 50/1.0 -
A mixed bag of results in last night's by-elections.
Conservative six (3 gains, 2 losses) Lib Dems three (two gains, two losses) Labour One (no change) Independent One (one gain, two losses). A lot of very tight contests. It could easily have been four net Con gains, or two net Lib Dem gains.0 -
Whoops. So even with a lucky second chance they still get caught cheating. They’ve probably ruined the chances of any Russians getting near the Olympics for some time. Watch for the genuinely clean ones moving to another country.FrancisUrquhart said:SO how is the IOC policy of letting the russians who are definitely clean athletes compete...
A second Russian athlete competing at the Winter Olympics has tested positive for a banned substance.0 -
You might want to cover your downside with a bit of Penny Mordaunt..... Especially if Lady Nugee looks like being the Annointed Successor to the Jezziah.TheScreamingEagles said:
Jeremy Hunt beats either JRM or Boris in the final two.
HYUFD offered me 50/1.0 -
Oh yeah... but it was voided if that isn't the matchup that happens in practice.TheScreamingEagles said:
Jeremy Hunt beats either JRM or Boris in the final two.
HYUFD offered me 50/1.
Sadly for the drinks fund!
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If the whistleblowers are to be believed there aren’t any genuinely clean ones because you don’t get selected / stay on the programmes required to become elite unless you do what you are told.Sandpit said:
Whoops. So even with a lucky second chance they still get caught cheating. They’ve probably ruined the chances of any Russians getting near the Olympics for some time. Watch for the genuinely clean ones moving to another country.FrancisUrquhart said:SO how is the IOC policy of letting the russians who are definitely clean athletes compete...
A second Russian athlete competing at the Winter Olympics has tested positive for a banned substance.0 -
That’s a great bet, if the contest is to be PM rather than LotO.TheScreamingEagles said:
Jeremy Hunt beats either JRM or Boris in the final two.rkrkrk said:
What was the bet?TheScreamingEagles said:
If I win my bet with HYUFD half the £500 is going behind the bar.Hertsmere_Pubgoer said:
This year it can go behind the bar at the next PB drinks do?TheScreamingEagles said:
To those less fortunate than us.Philip_Thompson said:
Who to?TheScreamingEagles said:
I’ve paid the Zakāt ever year since I was 22.Richard_Nabavi said:
The taxation policy of the Rashidun Caliphs sounds very similar to John McDonnell's:Beverley_C said:
I had never heard of the Rashidun Caliphs so I googled it. 632 - 611 AD????Elliot said:
What they mean by "lack of morals" is "not Muslim". I grew up in the Muslim community. While most Muslims are decent, kind-hearted people, there is an Islam nationalistic subset that regards non-Muslim girls as "kuffar scum". They do not dress modestly, showing their arms, legs, hair etc so deserve what they get. Often they will justify it by referring to how non-Muslim women were treated as sex slaves under the Rashidun Caliphs.Beverley_C said:
...David_Evershed said:".
That is their model of behaviour in the modern world? They need to wise up.
Having said, some christian sects and group could do with modernising too..
Zakāt (زكاة) is the Islamic concept of luxury tax. It was taken from the Muslims in the amount of 2.5% of their dormant wealth (over a certain amount unused for a year) to give to the poor. Only persons whose annual wealth exceeded a minimum level (nisab) were collected from. The nisab does not include primary residence, primary transportation, moderate amount of woven jewelry, etc
...
Kharaj was a tax on agricultural land.
...
Ushr was a reciprocal 10% levy on agricultural land as well as merchandise imported from states that taxed the Muslims on their products.
My mother insists on it.
I think one year my Zakāt paid for someone’s wedding.
Is another one planned anytime soon?
I’ll ask Mike to arrange a new meet up.
HYUFD offered me 50/1.0 -
If Hunt becomes next PM/Tory leader I’m quids in.rkrkrk said:
Oh yeah... but it was voided if that isn't the matchup that happens in practice.TheScreamingEagles said:
Jeremy Hunt beats either JRM or Boris in the final two.
HYUFD offered me 50/1.
Sadly for the drinks fund!
It’ll be my biggest ever winner.
Astonishing to think he was 100/1 and 66/1 only a few months ago.0 -
Quite incredible....
Police appeared to punish victims of Newcastle grooming gangs, review finds
Report into work of Operation Sanctuary finds 700 girls and women were victims of gangs
https://www.theguardian.com/society/2018/feb/23/northumbria-police-operation-sanctuary-newcastle-grooming-gangs-case-review0 -
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Two unnecessary words and an unnecessary question mark in that first line.TGOHF said:Ukip done in Scotland ?
https://casumptious.wordpress.com/2018/02/22/the-final-curtain/0 -
"...It can't be bargained with. It can't be reasoned with. It doesn't feel pity, or remorse, or fear. And it absolutely will not stop, ever..."Scott_P said:0 -
With the landmark case earlier this week that the Police are liable for failing to investigate Worboys properly after the first allegations, it would be interesting to see victims launch a suit against the Police here too.FrancisUrquhart said:Quite incredible....
Police appeared to punish victims of Newcastle grooming gangs, review finds
Report into work of Operation Sanctuary finds 700 girls and women were victims of gangs
https://www.theguardian.com/society/2018/feb/23/northumbria-police-operation-sanctuary-newcastle-grooming-gangs-case-review0 -
Not much of a shift in voting intention for the parliament, though.SouthamObserver said:Big drop in support for Catalan independence:
https://twitter.com/___m______1___/status/9670108902341140480 -
Should we be making doping an Olympic sport to accommodate the Ruskies?Sandpit said:
Whoops. So even with a lucky second chance they still get caught cheating. They’ve probably ruined the chances of any Russians getting near the Olympics for some time. Watch for the genuinely clean ones moving to another country.FrancisUrquhart said:SO how is the IOC policy of letting the russians who are definitely clean athletes compete...
A second Russian athlete competing at the Winter Olympics has tested positive for a banned substance.0 -
Well quite possibly.Philip_Thompson said:
Two unnecessary words and an unnecessary question mark in that first line.TGOHF said:Ukip done in Scotland ?
https://casumptious.wordpress.com/2018/02/22/the-final-curtain/
But they get 4% with YG - where that goes or stays home may decide the election.0 -
Me too on Hunt.TheScreamingEagles said:
If Hunt becomes next PM/Tory leader I’m quids in.rkrkrk said:
Oh yeah... but it was voided if that isn't the matchup that happens in practice.TheScreamingEagles said:
Jeremy Hunt beats either JRM or Boris in the final two.
HYUFD offered me 50/1.
Sadly for the drinks fund!
It’ll be my biggest ever winner.
Astonishing to think he was 100/1 and 66/1 only a few months ago.
Will put me back in the +ve column after Donald Trump betting debacle of 2016.0 -
This is David Coburn’s moment.TGOHF said:Ukip done in Scotland ?
https://casumptious.wordpress.com/2018/02/22/the-final-curtain/0 -
Good afternoon, everyone.
Mr. Eagles, those would be very nice odds.0 -
Might the EU27 starting to fret about the UK's missing billions start to play with markets and thinking? The meejah starting to draw blood asking donors whether they'd like to pay more and recipients whether they'd like to get less; a definite shift of emphasis I thought.MarqueeMark said:
You might want to cover your downside with a bit of Penny Mordaunt..... Especially if Lady Nugee looks like being the Annointed Successor to the Jezziah.TheScreamingEagles said:
Jeremy Hunt beats either JRM or Boris in the final two.
HYUFD offered me 50/1.0 -
We’ve seen it in Scotland.William_H said:
Not much of a shift in voting intention for the parliament, though.SouthamObserver said:Big drop in support for Catalan independence:
https://twitter.com/___m______1___/status/967010890234114048
We see support for independence go up and down with no correspondening shift in support for the SNP.0 -
mumbo jumbo pr bollox speakRecidivist said:Anyone got any idea what “ambitious managed divergence” is?
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Coburn once said that "the ordinary man on the street does not want to get involved in some outrageous experiment that could end in financial catastrophe".TheScreamingEagles said:
This is David Coburn’s moment.TGOHF said:Ukip done in Scotland ?
https://casumptious.wordpress.com/2018/02/22/the-final-curtain/0 -
Wasn’t the 4% before the latest debacle?TGOHF said:
Well quite possibly.Philip_Thompson said:
Two unnecessary words and an unnecessary question mark in that first line.TGOHF said:Ukip done in Scotland ?
https://casumptious.wordpress.com/2018/02/22/the-final-curtain/
But they get 4% with YG - where that goes or stays home may decide the election.0 -
If expensive for the taxpayer.Philip_Thompson said:
With the landmark case earlier this week that the Police are liable for failing to investigate Worboys properly after the first allegations, it would be interesting to see victims launch a suit against the Police here too.FrancisUrquhart said:Quite incredible....
Police appeared to punish victims of Newcastle grooming gangs, review finds
Report into work of Operation Sanctuary finds 700 girls and women were victims of gangs
https://www.theguardian.com/society/2018/feb/23/northumbria-police-operation-sanctuary-newcastle-grooming-gangs-case-review0 -
A future/next president of France speaking at CPAC?
https://twitter.com/CPAC/status/9667290741680496650 -
It’s a little more nuanced than the headline. But not Northumbria Police’s finest hour.FrancisUrquhart said:Quite incredible....
Police appeared to punish victims of Newcastle grooming gangs, review finds
Report into work of Operation Sanctuary finds 700 girls and women were victims of gangs
https://www.theguardian.com/society/2018/feb/23/northumbria-police-operation-sanctuary-newcastle-grooming-gangs-case-review0 -
An early twentieth century (up to the 30s) spelling was "aëroplane", including, interestingly, in American English too.Beverley_C said:
Chloë, Zoë, etc. Nothing new.Nigelb said:
Similar behaviour had been commonplace since at least 1975...RoyalBlue said:
Diacritics over words transliterated into English, a language with no diacritics.TheScreamingEagles said:
I’ve paid the Zakāt ever year since I was 22.Richard_Nabavi said:
The taxation policy of the Rashidun Caliphs sounds very similar to John McDonnell's:Beverley_C said:
I had never heard of the Rashidun Caliphs so I googled it. 632 - 611 AD????Elliot said:
What they mean by "lack of morals" is "not Muslim"... Often they will justify it by referring to how non-Muslim women were treated as sex slaves under the Rashidun Caliphs.Beverley_C said:
Odd that they have no problem with their own morals - being molesters, rapists, abusers, etc.David_Evershed said:...
Think tank the Quillam Foundation, which focuses on counter-extremism, said 84% of the 264 offenders convicted of grooming between 2005 and 2017 were of south Asian heritage.
Mr Spicer said the perpetrator he spoke to "displayed no regret" and "spoke in a derogatory manner about a lack of morals in British girls".
Other peoples's morals are obviously more important ...
That is their model of behaviour in the modern world? They need to wise up.
Having said, some christian sects and group could do with modernising too..
Zakāt (زكاة) is the Islamic concept of luxury tax. It was taken from the Muslims in the amount of 2.5% of their dormant wealth (over a certain amount unused for a year) to give to the poor. Only persons whose annual wealth exceeded a minimum level (nisab) were collected from. The nisab does not include primary residence, primary transportation, moderate amount of woven jewelry, etc
...
Kharaj was a tax on agricultural land.
...
Ushr was a reciprocal 10% levy on agricultural land as well as merchandise imported from states that taxed the Muslims on their products.
My mother insists on it.
When did this become OK? It makes no sense to me.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Motörhead0 -
The New Yorker uses spellings like coöperate.rpjs said:
An early twentieth century (up to the 30s) spelling was "aëroplane", including, interestingly, in American English too.Beverley_C said:
Chloë, Zoë, etc. Nothing new.Nigelb said:
Similar behaviour had been commonplace since at least 1975...RoyalBlue said:
Diacritics over words transliterated into English, a language with no diacritics.TheScreamingEagles said:
I’ve paid the Zakāt ever year since I was 22.Richard_Nabavi said:
The taxation policy of the Rashidun Caliphs sounds very similar to John McDonnell's:Beverley_C said:
I had never heard of the Rashidun Caliphs so I googled it. 632 - 611 AD????Elliot said:
What they mean by "lack of morals" is "not Muslim"... Often they will justify it by referring to how non-Muslim women were treated as sex slaves under the Rashidun Caliphs.Beverley_C said:
Odd that they have no problem with their own morals - being molesters, rapists, abusers, etc.David_Evershed said:...
Think tank the Quillam Foundation, which focuses on counter-extremism, said 84% of the 264 offenders convicted of grooming between 2005 and 2017 were of south Asian heritage.
Mr Spicer said the perpetrator he spoke to "displayed no regret" and "spoke in a derogatory manner about a lack of morals in British girls".
Other peoples's morals are obviously more important ...
That is their model of behaviour in the modern world? They need to wise up.
Having said, some christian sects and group could do with modernising too..
Zakāt (زكاة) is the Islamic concept of luxury tax. It was taken from the Muslims in the amount of 2.5% of their dormant wealth (over a certain amount unused for a year) to give to the poor. Only persons whose annual wealth exceeded a minimum level (nisab) were collected from. The nisab does not include primary residence, primary transportation, moderate amount of woven jewelry, etc
...
Kharaj was a tax on agricultural land.
...
Ushr was a reciprocal 10% levy on agricultural land as well as merchandise imported from states that taxed the Muslims on their products.
My mother insists on it.
When did this become OK? It makes no sense to me.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Motörhead0 -
How very pretentious!williamglenn said:
The New Yorker uses spellings like coöperate.rpjs said:
An early twentieth century (up to the 30s) spelling was "aëroplane", including, interestingly, in American English too.Beverley_C said:
Chloë, Zoë, etc. Nothing new.Nigelb said:
Similar behaviour had been commonplace since at least 1975...RoyalBlue said:
Diacritics over words transliterated into English, a language with no diacritics.TheScreamingEagles said:
I’ve paid the Zakāt ever year since I was 22.Richard_Nabavi said:
The taxation policy of the Rashidun Caliphs sounds very similar to John McDonnell's:Beverley_C said:
I had never heard of the Rashidun Caliphs so I googled it. 632 - 611 AD????Elliot said:
What they mean by "lack of morals" is "not Muslim"... Often they will justify it by referring to how non-Muslim women were treated as sex slaves under the Rashidun Caliphs.Beverley_C said:
Odd that they have no problem with their own morals - being molesters, rapists, abusers, etc.David_Evershed said:...
Think tank the Quillam Foundation, which focuses on counter-extremism, said 84% of the 264 offenders convicted of grooming between 2005 and 2017 were of south Asian heritage.
Mr Spicer said the perpetrator he spoke to "displayed no regret" and "spoke in a derogatory manner about a lack of morals in British girls".
Other peoples's morals are obviously more important ...
That is their model of behaviour in the modern world? They need to wise up.
Having said, some christian sects and group could do with modernising too..
Zakāt (زكاة) is the Islamic concept of luxury tax. It was taken from the Muslims in the amount of 2.5% of their dormant wealth (over a certain amount unused for a year) to give to the poor. Only persons whose annual wealth exceeded a minimum level (nisab) were collected from. The nisab does not include primary residence, primary transportation, moderate amount of woven jewelry, etc
...
Kharaj was a tax on agricultural land.
...
Ushr was a reciprocal 10% levy on agricultural land as well as merchandise imported from states that taxed the Muslims on their products.
My mother insists on it.
When did this become OK? It makes no sense to me.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Motörhead0 -
Was it pronounced a-er-o-plane?rpjs said:
An early twentieth century (up to the 30s) spelling was "aëroplane", including, interestingly, in American English too.Beverley_C said:
Chloë, Zoë, etc. Nothing new.Nigelb said:
Similar behaviour had been commonplace since at least 1975...RoyalBlue said:
Diacritics over words transliterated into English, a language with no diacritics.TheScreamingEagles said:
I’ve paid the Zakāt ever year since I was 22.Richard_Nabavi said:
The taxation policy of the Rashidun Caliphs sounds very similar to John McDonnell's:Beverley_C said:
I had never heard of the Rashidun Caliphs so I googled it. 632 - 611 AD????Elliot said:
What they mean by "lack of morals" is "not Muslim"... Often they will justify it by referring to how non-Muslim women were treated as sex slaves under the Rashidun Caliphs.Beverley_C said:
Odd that they have no problem with their own morals - being molesters, rapists, abusers, etc.David_Evershed said:...
Think tank the Quillam Foundation, which focuses on counter-extremism, said 84% of the 264 offenders convicted of grooming between 2005 and 2017 were of south Asian heritage.
Mr Spicer said the perpetrator he spoke to "displayed no regret" and "spoke in a derogatory manner about a lack of morals in British girls".
Other peoples's morals are obviously more important ...
That is their model of behaviour in the modern world? They need to wise up.
Having said, some christian sects and group could do with modernising too..
Zakāt (زكاة) is the Islamic concept of luxury tax. It was taken from the Muslims in the amount of 2.5% of their dormant wealth (over a certain amount unused for a year) to give to the poor. Only persons whose annual wealth exceeded a minimum level (nisab) were collected from. The nisab does not include primary residence, primary transportation, moderate amount of woven jewelry, etc
...
Kharaj was a tax on agricultural land.
...
Ushr was a reciprocal 10% levy on agricultural land as well as merchandise imported from states that taxed the Muslims on their products.
My mother insists on it.
When did this become OK? It makes no sense to me.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Motörhead0
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