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  • Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 67,273
    First
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 123,813
    FPT

    Oooh


    Jeremy Corbyn told Michel Barnier that he was open to keeping Britain in the customs union after Brexit, a memo circulated to European nations suggests.

    The Labour leader met Mr Barnier, the European Union's chief Brexit negotiator, in London on Monday, where Mr Corbyn promised to run the Brexit negotiations “very differently” if he came to power - and dangled a raft of possible concessions to the EU.

    According to a memo of the meeting, drawn up after a debrief between Mr Barnier and ambassadors from the other 27 EU nations, Mr Corbyn said that he was willing to allow the UK to submit to the rulings of the European Court of Justice should he become prime minister.

    The document, seen by The Daily Telegraph, also states that Mr Corbyn said he could offer a “unilateral guarantee” on the rights of EU citizens during transition.

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2018/02/08/eu-memo-barnier-meeting-raises-questions-jeremy-corbyns-brexit/
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 123,813
    Are there any odds on The Don having a mohawk?
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 56,395
    Robbed I was, robbed. I said that I didn’t think a bit of fake news/hair was going to have these effect.
  • TomsToms Posts: 2,478
    edited February 2018
    Marf ! Are you out there?
  • JonathanJonathan Posts: 22,107
    Why is there a picture of Mike up there?
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 123,813
    Can we all agree the top knot/man bun is the worst haircut since the mullet?

    I suspect top knot/man bun lovers also like pineapple on pizza.
  • TGOHFTGOHF Posts: 21,633
    Corbyns team filling their trousers at the slump in the polls ? Sad.
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 56,314
    He should have a Keir Starmer.
  • TheuniondivvieTheuniondivvie Posts: 45,209
    FPT
    Ishmael_Z said:


    The alleged interference by Russia in UK and us elections and referendums.

    Not saying some loonball hasn't done it, but it'd be tricky to discern antisemitism in criticism of the extra curricular activities of Putin's Russia.
  • The_ApocalypseThe_Apocalypse Posts: 7,831
    TheScreamingEagles said:

    FPT

    Oooh


    Jeremy Corbyn told Michel Barnier that he was open to keeping Britain in the customs union after Brexit, a memo circulated to European nations suggests.

    The Labour leader met Mr Barnier, the European Union's chief Brexit negotiator, in London on Monday, where Mr Corbyn promised to run the Brexit negotiations “very differently” if he came to power - and dangled a raft of possible concessions to the EU.

    According to a memo of the meeting, drawn up after a debrief between Mr Barnier and ambassadors from the other 27 EU nations, Mr Corbyn said that he was willing to allow the UK to submit to the rulings of the European Court of Justice should he become prime minister.

    The document, seen by The Daily Telegraph, also states that Mr Corbyn said he could offer a “unilateral guarantee” on the rights of EU citizens during transition.

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2018/02/08/eu-memo-barnier-meeting-raises-questions-jeremy-corbyns-brexit/

    LOL
  • The_ApocalypseThe_Apocalypse Posts: 7,831
    TGOHF said:

    Corbyns team filling their trousers at the slump in the polls ? Sad.

    https://twitter.com/stephenkb/status/961253941689356295
  • Ishmael_ZIshmael_Z Posts: 8,981
    TOPPING said:

    Ishmael_Z said:

    Theuniondivvie said:

    OblitusSumMe said:

    Sandpit said:

    Gardenwalker said:

    Sandpit said:

    Okay, maybe I’m missing something here. How is saying “Rich man gives money to political campaign” antisemitic, just because the rich man happens to be Jewish? There was no mention of Judaism in the article at all.

    Read the thread posted by Mr Meeks.
    I read that, and all the comments under it, and all the comments here, and still don’t get it. The article made no mention of Jews or Jewishness, Rob Ford notes that other people who don’t like Soros don’t like him because he’s Jewish, but the Telegraph article doesn’t say any of that, only that a rich foreign man give a big cheque to a Remain campaign.

    Must be too late for my frazzled brain, beer o’clock I think.
    The style it is written in, talking about secret plots, etc, is like a paint-by-numbers version of writing about an international Jewish conspiracy, with the exception of not directly using the word Jewish.
    The great thing about dog whistles is that usually only dogs can hear them, and unless you're actually caught puffing strenuously with whistle in gob, you can deny getting the pooches worked up.
    Yes, hence the metaphor. But tell us: if you say "international Jewish conspiracy" that's anti-semitic, and if you say "international conspiracy" that's just a way of saying "international Jewish conspiracy" in a dog whistleish way, duh, OBVIOUSLY; so what is the correct way of referring to a conspiracy whose only relevant quality is that it is international?
    Yes you are right.

    If you are a seven year old.

    If you are a grown up with a lifetime of being able to contextualise things you read and hear, then not so much.
    So, all conspiracies are Jewish, or they might not be but there is no legitimate way of discussing the ones which aren't without implying that they are? And you are proffering that misconception as a kind of badge of intellectual adulthood? Golly.
  • Scott_PScott_P Posts: 51,453
    https://twitter.com/tnewtondunn/status/961722055413587969
  • Scott_PScott_P Posts: 51,453
    https://twitter.com/eurorealist/status/961720912201609216
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 81,212
    TheScreamingEagles said:

    Are there any odds on The Don having a mohawk?

    One on each side of the head might work... pretty rad, too.
    Across the top poses a few technical problems, though.
  • TGOHFTGOHF Posts: 21,633
    The_Apocalypse said:

    TGOHF said:

    Corbyns team filling their trousers at the slump in the polls ? Sad.

    https://twitter.com/stephenkb/status/961253941689356295
    So he is panicking and a flip-flopper on Brexit ?
  • TheuniondivvieTheuniondivvie Posts: 45,209
    TheScreamingEagles said:

    Are there any odds on The Don having a mohawk?

    Sorry if you're having supper, but what about odds on Don being a collar and cuffs kinda guy?
  • Scott_PScott_P Posts: 51,453
    https://twitter.com/pmdfoster/status/961720745033379841
  • TOPPINGTOPPING Posts: 44,320
    Ishmael_Z said:

    TOPPING said:

    Ishmael_Z said:

    Theuniondivvie said:

    OblitusSumMe said:

    Sandpit said:

    Gardenwalker said:

    Sandpit said:

    Okay, maybe I’m missing something here. How is saying “Rich man gives money to political campaign” antisemitic, just because the rich man happens to be Jewish? There was no mention of Judaism in the article at all.

    Read the thread posted by Mr Meeks.
    I read that, and all the comments under it, and all the comments here, and still don’t get it. The article made no mention of Jews or Jewishness, Rob Ford notes that other people who don’t like Soros don’t like him because he’s Jewish, but the Telegraph article doesn’t say any of that, only that a rich foreign man give a big cheque to a Remain campaign.

    Must be too late for my frazzled brain, beer o’clock I think.
    The style it is written in, talking about secret plots, etc, is like a paint-by-numbers version of writing about an international Jewish conspiracy, with the exception of not directly using the word Jewish.
    The great thing about dog whistles is that usually only dogs can hear them, and unless you're actually caught puffing strenuously with whistle in gob, you can deny getting the pooches worked up.
    Yes, hence the metaphor. But tell us: if you say "international Jewish conspiracy" that's anti-semitic, and if you say "international conspiracy" that's just a way of saying "international Jewish conspiracy" in a dog whistleish way, duh, OBVIOUSLY; so what is the correct way of referring to a conspiracy whose only relevant quality is that it is international?
    Yes you are right.

    If you are a seven year old.

    If you are a grown up with a lifetime of being able to contextualise things you read and hear, then not so much.
    So, all conspiracies are Jewish, or they might not be but there is no legitimate way of discussing the ones which aren't without implying that they are? And you are proffering that misconception as a kind of badge of intellectual adulthood? Golly.
    I hardly dare mention about Santa.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 123,813
    Theuniondivvie said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    Are there any odds on The Don having a mohawk?

    Sorry if you're having supper, but what about odds on Don being a collar and cuffs kinda guy?
    Much like the market on Don starring in a porno, I'm not sure there's a way of confirming that to get a payout.

    PS - I'm touched, touched that you felt the need to post an apology/trigger warning to me, ME about your post causing trauma.
  • rkrkrkrkrkrk Posts: 8,800
    TheScreamingEagles said:

    FPT

    Oooh


    Jeremy Corbyn told Michel Barnier that he was open to keeping Britain in the customs union after Brexit, a memo circulated to European nations suggests.

    The Labour leader met Mr Barnier, the European Union's chief Brexit negotiator, in London on Monday, where Mr Corbyn promised to run the Brexit negotiations “very differently” if he came to power - and dangled a raft of possible concessions to the EU.

    According to a memo of the meeting, drawn up after a debrief between Mr Barnier and ambassadors from the other 27 EU nations, Mr Corbyn said that he was willing to allow the UK to submit to the rulings of the European Court of Justice should he become prime minister.

    The document, seen by The Daily Telegraph, also states that Mr Corbyn said he could offer a “unilateral guarantee” on the rights of EU citizens during transition.

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2018/02/08/eu-memo-barnier-meeting-raises-questions-jeremy-corbyns-brexit/

    As much as I would like this to be true... it’s worth noting it’s the Telegraph who are pretty unreliable these days.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 123,813
    Whilst I'm not in favour of Brexit as a concept, leaving the single market but remaining in the customs unions seems like a really bad idea.
  • JonathanJonathan Posts: 22,107
    Corbyn wants to be PM
  • TheuniondivvieTheuniondivvie Posts: 45,209
    TheScreamingEagles said:

    Theuniondivvie said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    Are there any odds on The Don having a mohawk?

    Sorry if you're having supper, but what about odds on Don being a collar and cuffs kinda guy?
    Much like the market on Don starring in a porno, I'm not sure there's a way of confirming that to get a payout.

    PS - I'm touched, touched that you felt the need to post an apology/trigger warning to me, ME about your post causing trauma.
    There's strongish evidence.

    https://tinyurl.com/y7tjfwls
  • Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 67,273
    Jonathan said:

    Corbyn wants to be PM

    Shame - he will never be PM
  • The_ApocalypseThe_Apocalypse Posts: 7,831
    edited February 2018
    TGOHF said:

    The_Apocalypse said:

    TGOHF said:

    Corbyns team filling their trousers at the slump in the polls ? Sad.

    https://twitter.com/stephenkb/status/961253941689356295
    So he is panicking and a flip-flopper on Brexit ?
    Tbh since after the GE, they’ve been sending mixed singles about the kind of a Brexit they support. Corbyn and McDonnell say one thing and Starmer has gone and implied the opposite. I think they don’t want to be on the wrong side of public opinion on the issue come 2022 so are open to all positions.
  • John_MJohn_M Posts: 7,503
    TheScreamingEagles said:

    Whilst I'm not in favour of Brexit as a concept, leaving the single market but remaining in the customs unions seems like a really bad idea.

    Staying in the customs union solves the NI border issue, sidesteps CoO issues with (say) automotive manufacture, but creates a horrible asymmetry as we're bound by EU FTAs.
  • Scott_PScott_P Posts: 51,453
    https://twitter.com/brexit/status/961724135490531329

    Look for it at the end of the rainbow...
  • augustus_carpaugustus_carp Posts: 224
    I asked this question the other evening, to widespread indifference, so allow me to try again: Who is going to leave office first, Theresa May or Jacob Zuma? Surely there's a bet in that somewhere?
  • AndyJSAndyJS Posts: 29,395
    augustus_carp said:

    I asked this question the other evening, to widespread indifference, so allow me to try again: Who is going to leave office first, Theresa May or Jacob Zuma? Surely there's a bet in that somewhere?

    Definitely Jacob Zuma. Isn't that obvious?
  • Sean_FSean_F Posts: 39,544
    TheScreamingEagles said:

    Theuniondivvie said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    Are there any odds on The Don having a mohawk?

    Sorry if you're having supper, but what about odds on Don being a collar and cuffs kinda guy?
    Much like the market on Don starring in a porno, I'm not sure there's a way of confirming that to get a payout.

    PS - I'm touched, touched that you felt the need to post an apology/trigger warning to me, ME about your post causing trauma.
    There must be a good chance that The Donald has taken part in a porno.

    My understanding is that his pubes are dyed ginger.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 123,813
    augustus_carp said:

    I asked this question the other evening, to widespread indifference, so allow me to try again: Who is going to leave office first, Theresa May or Jacob Zuma? Surely there's a bet in that somewhere?

    Zuma I reckon but it isn't something I'd bet a lot on.
  • John_MJohn_M Posts: 7,503
    Scott_P said:

    https://twitter.com/brexit/status/961724135490531329

    Look for it at the end of the rainbow...

    ::Spoiler Alert:: Sir Galahad finds it.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 123,813
    Theuniondivvie said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    Theuniondivvie said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    Are there any odds on The Don having a mohawk?

    Sorry if you're having supper, but what about odds on Don being a collar and cuffs kinda guy?
    Much like the market on Don starring in a porno, I'm not sure there's a way of confirming that to get a payout.

    PS - I'm touched, touched that you felt the need to post an apology/trigger warning to me, ME about your post causing trauma.
    There's strongish evidence.

    https://tinyurl.com/y7tjfwls
    Clearly it was Don's fashion sense that first attracted Melania to him.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 123,813
    John_M said:

    Scott_P said:

    https://twitter.com/brexit/status/961724135490531329

    Look for it at the end of the rainbow...

    ::Spoiler Alert:: Sir Galahad finds it.
    Not Sir Tristram?
  • augustus_carpaugustus_carp Posts: 224
    AndyJS said:

    augustus_carp said:

    I asked this question the other evening, to widespread indifference, so allow me to try again: Who is going to leave office first, Theresa May or Jacob Zuma? Surely there's a bet in that somewhere?

    Definitely Jacob Zuma. Isn't that obvious?
    Unfortunately, I don't follow either person's career with avid interest, but it seems to me that one day the media says that one of them is bound to get the chop that week, and the following day it's the other one. Everyone talks about both of them losing their jobs, but it never seems to happen.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 123,813
    Looks like Oxfam are going to have fundraising problems.

    https://twitter.com/AllieHBNews/status/961725379936432128
  • AndyJSAndyJS Posts: 29,395
    7 by-elections were held today:

    https://britainelects.com/2018/02/08/previews-08-feb-2018/
  • MortimerMortimer Posts: 14,344
    TheScreamingEagles said:

    Whilst I'm not in favour of Brexit as a concept, leaving the single market but remaining in the customs unions seems like a really bad idea.

    Yup, it is. But it's the latest hill on which Remainers have decided to stake their flag on.

    They're too late, of course.
  • AndyJSAndyJS Posts: 29,395
    TheScreamingEagles said:

    Looks like Oxfam are going to have fundraising problems.

    https://twitter.com/AllieHBNews/status/961725379936432128

    The Times have got some excellent investigative journalists.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 123,813
    AndyJS said:

    7 by-elections were held today:

    https://britainelects.com/2018/02/08/previews-08-feb-2018/

    A PBer was campaigning in the Stretton by election

    https://twitter.com/AaronBell80/status/961590183916376064
  • MortimerMortimer Posts: 14,344
    TheScreamingEagles said:

    AndyJS said:

    7 by-elections were held today:

    https://britainelects.com/2018/02/08/previews-08-feb-2018/

    A PBer was campaigning in the Stretton by election

    https://twitter.com/AaronBell80/status/961590183916376064
    And I was down in Portland today.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 99,412
    TheScreamingEagles said:

    Can we all agree the top knot/man bun is the worst haircut since the mullet?

    I suspect top knot/man bun lovers also like pineapple on pizza.

    Not a fan of either of those things, but we must try to embrace the other side occasionally/
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 123,813
    kle4 said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    Can we all agree the top knot/man bun is the worst haircut since the mullet?

    I suspect top knot/man bun lovers also like pineapple on pizza.

    Not a fan of either of those things, but we must try to embrace the other side occasionally/
    We must be prepared for the culture wars.
  • TGOHFTGOHF Posts: 21,633
    edited February 2018
    Oxfam is approaching peak hubris.

    Can’t be sustainable.
  • DecrepitJohnLDecrepitJohnL Posts: 13,300
    Scott_P said:

    https://twitter.com/pmdfoster/status/961720745033379841

    Looks like the Telegraph is trying to spoil the Sun's scoop about the Tories' Chequers Brexit showdown.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 99,412
    TGOHF said:

    https://twitter.com/djack_journo/status/961726974229180417

    'Caligula-style'? The paper's colorful description, or did the participants themselves refer to it that way I wonder.
  • TGOHFTGOHF Posts: 21,633
    https://amp.theguardian.com/politics/2016/aug/19/momentum-drops-pledge-to-non-violence-from-code-of-ethics?__twitter_impression=true

  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 55,898
    TheScreamingEagles said:

    augustus_carp said:

    I asked this question the other evening, to widespread indifference, so allow me to try again: Who is going to leave office first, Theresa May or Jacob Zuma? Surely there's a bet in that somewhere?

    Zuma I reckon but it isn't something I'd bet a lot on.
    May at least gives a shiny shit about democracy.
  • TheWhiteRabbitTheWhiteRabbit Posts: 12,455
    TGOHF said:

    https://amp.theguardian.com/politics/2016/aug/19/momentum-drops-pledge-to-non-violence-from-code-of-ethics?__twitter_impression=true

    Don't worry, the serpent will devour itself before it devours anyone else.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 123,813
    kle4 said:

    TGOHF said:

    https://twitter.com/djack_journo/status/961726974229180417

    'Caligula-style'? The paper's colorful description, or did the participants themselves refer to it that way I wonder.
    A number of sources with knowledge of the case said they had concerns that some of the prostitutes were under age. One said that men had invited groups of young prostitutes to their guesthouse and held sex “parties”.

    The source claimed to have seen footage from a night there that was “like a full-on Caligula orgy”, with girls wearing Oxfam T-shirts. The charity is understood to have no record of the footage being given to the investigation.

    https://www.thetimes.co.uk/edition/news/top-oxfam-staff-paid-haiti-survivors-for-sex-mhm6mpmgw
  • ReggieCideReggieCide Posts: 4,312
    Theuniondivvie said:

    FPT

    Ishmael_Z said:


    The alleged interference by Russia in UK and us elections and referendums.

    Not saying some loonball hasn't done it, but it'd be tricky to discern antisemitism in criticism of the extra curricular activities of Putin's Russia.
    Isn't Putin Jewish?
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 123,813
    TGOHF said:

    https://amp.theguardian.com/politics/2016/aug/19/momentum-drops-pledge-to-non-violence-from-code-of-ethics?__twitter_impression=true

    That story is 18 months old....
  • augustus_carpaugustus_carp Posts: 224
    TGOHF said:

    https://amp.theguardian.com/politics/2016/aug/19/momentum-drops-pledge-to-non-violence-from-code-of-ethics?__twitter_impression=true

    Yes, fair point - but it probably won't do her much good against the Mad Axemen in grey suits. Assuming they ever get their act together, of course.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 123,813
    ReggieCide said:

    Theuniondivvie said:

    FPT

    Ishmael_Z said:


    The alleged interference by Russia in UK and us elections and referendums.

    Not saying some loonball hasn't done it, but it'd be tricky to discern antisemitism in criticism of the extra curricular activities of Putin's Russia.
    Isn't Putin Jewish?
    No
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 55,898
    TheScreamingEagles said:

    kle4 said:

    TGOHF said:

    https://twitter.com/djack_journo/status/961726974229180417

    'Caligula-style'? The paper's colorful description, or did the participants themselves refer to it that way I wonder.
    A number of sources with knowledge of the case said they had concerns that some of the prostitutes were under age. One said that men had invited groups of young prostitutes to their guesthouse and held sex “parties”.

    The source claimed to have seen footage from a night there that was “like a full-on Caligula orgy”, with girls wearing Oxfam T-shirts. The charity is understood to have no record of the footage being given to the investigation.

    https://www.thetimes.co.uk/edition/news/top-oxfam-staff-paid-haiti-survivors-for-sex-mhm6mpmgw
    Hope the prostitutes were all clean.

    #POXFAM
  • Scott_PScott_P Posts: 51,453
    https://twitter.com/alliehbnews/status/961732088268578819
  • Scott_PScott_P Posts: 51,453
    https://twitter.com/skynewseditor/status/961732883370082304
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 56,314
    Scott_P said:

    https://twitter.com/alliehbnews/status/961732088268578819

    Is Nick Timothy just being Machiavellian in trying to prop up May by associating the campaign to bring her down with Soros?
  • ReggieCideReggieCide Posts: 4,312
    TheScreamingEagles said:

    ReggieCide said:

    Theuniondivvie said:

    FPT

    Ishmael_Z said:


    The alleged interference by Russia in UK and us elections and referendums.

    Not saying some loonball hasn't done it, but it'd be tricky to discern antisemitism in criticism of the extra curricular activities of Putin's Russia.
    Isn't Putin Jewish?
    No
    Really?
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 123,813
    ReggieCide said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    ReggieCide said:

    Theuniondivvie said:

    FPT

    Ishmael_Z said:


    The alleged interference by Russia in UK and us elections and referendums.

    Not saying some loonball hasn't done it, but it'd be tricky to discern antisemitism in criticism of the extra curricular activities of Putin's Russia.
    Isn't Putin Jewish?
    No
    Really?
    https://www.algemeiner.com/2016/08/11/heres-a-first-hezbollah-paper-says-putin-is-jewish/
  • RobDRobD Posts: 60,728
    edited February 2018
    TheScreamingEagles said:

    FPT

    Oooh


    Jeremy Corbyn told Michel Barnier that he was open to keeping Britain in the customs union after Brexit, a memo circulated to European nations suggests.

    The Labour leader met Mr Barnier, the European Union's chief Brexit negotiator, in London on Monday, where Mr Corbyn promised to run the Brexit negotiations “very differently” if he came to power - and dangled a raft of possible concessions to the EU.

    According to a memo of the meeting, drawn up after a debrief between Mr Barnier and ambassadors from the other 27 EU nations, Mr Corbyn said that he was willing to allow the UK to submit to the rulings of the European Court of Justice should he become prime minister.

    The document, seen by The Daily Telegraph, also states that Mr Corbyn said he could offer a “unilateral guarantee” on the rights of EU citizens during transition.

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2018/02/08/eu-memo-barnier-meeting-raises-questions-jeremy-corbyns-brexit/

    What is it with Corbyn and consorting with the enemy? ;)

    Heavens knows why he'd give those concessions away after May secured an end to ECJ jurisdiction after the UK left.
  • Danny565Danny565 Posts: 8,091
    https://twitter.com/piersmorgan/status/959519485630742529
  • Danny565Danny565 Posts: 8,091
    RobD said:



    Heavens knows why he'd give those concessions away after May secured an end to ECJ jurisdiction after the UK left.

    Eh? No deal has yet been struck in terms of what happens after the UK leaves....
  • The_ApocalypseThe_Apocalypse Posts: 7,831
    Stories like that Oxfam scandal are the reason why I don’t blame anyone for being cynical about charities. Since Weinstein, it’s really all coming out now.
  • RobDRobD Posts: 60,728
    Danny565 said:

    RobD said:



    Heavens knows why he'd give those concessions away after May secured an end to ECJ jurisdiction after the UK left.

    Eh? No deal has yet been struck in terms of what happens after the UK leaves....
    This was agreed at the conclusion of the first phase of negotiations, that ECJ jurisdiction would only apply for several years after Brexit, and not indefinitely.
  • ReggieCideReggieCide Posts: 4,312
    TheScreamingEagles said:

    ReggieCide said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    ReggieCide said:

    Theuniondivvie said:

    FPT

    Ishmael_Z said:


    The alleged interference by Russia in UK and us elections and referendums.

    Not saying some loonball hasn't done it, but it'd be tricky to discern antisemitism in criticism of the extra curricular activities of Putin's Russia.
    Isn't Putin Jewish?
    No
    Really?
    https://www.algemeiner.com/2016/08/11/heres-a-first-hezbollah-paper-says-putin-is-jewish/
    My comment was a stab at ludicrosity. I was unaware that anyone had suggested such a possibility and, given the source and nature of your response, can now see that my stab was unnecessary. The job had already been done.
  • Danny565Danny565 Posts: 8,091
    edited February 2018
    RobD said:

    Danny565 said:

    RobD said:



    Heavens knows why he'd give those concessions away after May secured an end to ECJ jurisdiction after the UK left.

    Eh? No deal has yet been struck in terms of what happens after the UK leaves....
    This was agreed at the conclusion of the first phase of negotiations, that ECJ jurisdiction would only apply for several years after Brexit, and not indefinitely.
    Idon't think that's been agreed at all. The only thing that's been agreed is that ECJ jurisdiction will apply at least until the end of the transition period. Nothing has yet been agreed at all in terms of what our "relationship" with the EU after the transition is - the EU are still insisting that any significant Single Market access will still involve jurisdiction from the ECJ or an identical body. They might end up folding on that point in the negotiations, potentially, but it's still pretty far off the mark to claim that May has definitively "secured an end" to it when the whole thing isn't even a bit sorted yet.
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 56,314
    RobD said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    FPT

    Oooh


    Jeremy Corbyn told Michel Barnier that he was open to keeping Britain in the customs union after Brexit, a memo circulated to European nations suggests.

    The Labour leader met Mr Barnier, the European Union's chief Brexit negotiator, in London on Monday, where Mr Corbyn promised to run the Brexit negotiations “very differently” if he came to power - and dangled a raft of possible concessions to the EU.

    According to a memo of the meeting, drawn up after a debrief between Mr Barnier and ambassadors from the other 27 EU nations, Mr Corbyn said that he was willing to allow the UK to submit to the rulings of the European Court of Justice should he become prime minister.

    The document, seen by The Daily Telegraph, also states that Mr Corbyn said he could offer a “unilateral guarantee” on the rights of EU citizens during transition.

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2018/02/08/eu-memo-barnier-meeting-raises-questions-jeremy-corbyns-brexit/

    What is it with Corbyn and consorting with the enemy? ;)

    Heavens knows why he'd give those concessions away after May secured an end to ECJ jurisdiction after the UK left.
    Corbyn and Soros must be in league.
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 56,314
    RobD said:

    Danny565 said:

    RobD said:



    Heavens knows why he'd give those concessions away after May secured an end to ECJ jurisdiction after the UK left.

    Eh? No deal has yet been struck in terms of what happens after the UK leaves....
    This was agreed at the conclusion of the first phase of negotiations, that ECJ jurisdiction would only apply for several years after Brexit, and not indefinitely.
    That’s only in respect of oversight of citizens’ rights. There hasn’t been any agreement on the broader question of our relationship with the single market.
  • ReggieCideReggieCide Posts: 4,312
    williamglenn said:

    RobD said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    FPT

    Oooh


    Jeremy Corbyn told Michel Barnier that he was open to keeping Britain in the customs union after Brexit, a memo circulated to European nations suggests.

    The Labour leader met Mr Barnier, the European Union's chief Brexit negotiator, in London on Monday, where Mr Corbyn promised to run the Brexit negotiations “very differently” if he came to power - and dangled a raft of possible concessions to the EU.

    According to a memo of the meeting, drawn up after a debrief between Mr Barnier and ambassadors from the other 27 EU nations, Mr Corbyn said that he was willing to allow the UK to submit to the rulings of the European Court of Justice should he become prime minister.

    The document, seen by The Daily Telegraph, also states that Mr Corbyn said he could offer a “unilateral guarantee” on the rights of EU citizens during transition.

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2018/02/08/eu-memo-barnier-meeting-raises-questions-jeremy-corbyns-brexit/

    What is it with Corbyn and consorting with the enemy? ;)

    Heavens knows why he'd give those concessions away after May secured an end to ECJ jurisdiction after the UK left.
    Corbyn and Soros must be in league.
    Are they both Jewish?
  • AndyJSAndyJS Posts: 29,395
    TheScreamingEagles said:

    AndyJS said:

    7 by-elections were held today:

    https://britainelects.com/2018/02/08/previews-08-feb-2018/

    A PBer was campaigning in the Stretton by election

    https://twitter.com/AaronBell80/status/961590183916376064
    Interesting.
  • Dura_AceDura_Ace Posts: 14,816
    ReggieCide said:



    My comment was a stab at ludicrosity. I was unaware that anyone had suggested such a possibility and, given the source and nature of your response, can now see that my stab was unnecessary. The job had already been done.

    In the braver sections of the Russian lanaguage media very occasional references are made to Putin's "German ancestory" (rough translation) which is an obfuscated way of saying he's Jewish.

  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 56,314
    https://twitter.com/georgeeaton/status/961730615824482309
  • Danny565Danny565 Posts: 8,091
    edited February 2018
    williamglenn said:

    https://twitter.com/georgeeaton/status/961730615824482309

    Is there any intellectual reason for wanting the transition limited to two years, or is it literally just for the partisan reasons that they want it done by the next election so that (they hope) it's not an electoral issue for them at that time.
  • ReggieCideReggieCide Posts: 4,312
    Dura_Ace said:

    ReggieCide said:



    My comment was a stab at ludicrosity. I was unaware that anyone had suggested such a possibility and, given the source and nature of your response, can now see that my stab was unnecessary. The job had already been done.

    In the braver sections of the Russian lanaguage media very occasional references are made to Putin's "German ancestory" (rough translation) which is an obfuscated way of saying he's Jewish.

    Are these media sources based in Russia or just in Russian? This is me being curious, nothing more.
  • ReggieCideReggieCide Posts: 4,312
    Danny565 said:

    williamglenn said:

    https://twitter.com/georgeeaton/status/961730615824482309

    Is there any intellectual reason for wanting the transition limited to two years, or is it literally just for the partisan reasons that they want it done by the next election so that (they hope) it's not an electoral issue for them at that time.
    The answer to this is surely, "it depends".
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 53,206
    The_Apocalypse said:

    Stories like that Oxfam scandal are the reason why I don’t blame anyone for being cynical about charities. Since Weinstein, it’s really all coming out now.

    To be fair on Oxfam, the men involved were either sacked or retired out of the organisation, and a quite detailed report to prevent similar events implemented.

  • AndyJSAndyJS Posts: 29,395
    https://twitter.com/britainelects/status/961741495920418816
  • Dura_AceDura_Ace Posts: 14,816
    ReggieCide said:

    Dura_Ace said:

    ReggieCide said:



    My comment was a stab at ludicrosity. I was unaware that anyone had suggested such a possibility and, given the source and nature of your response, can now see that my stab was unnecessary. The job had already been done.

    In the braver sections of the Russian lanaguage media very occasional references are made to Putin's "German ancestory" (rough translation) which is an obfuscated way of saying he's Jewish.

    Are these media sources based in Russia or just in Russian? This is me being curious, nothing more.
    I've personally seen it in Moscow based print media when I lived there about ten years ago.
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 55,898
    AndyJS said:

    https://twitter.com/britainelects/status/961741495920418816

    A very strong independent candidate there. Presume there is a story.....
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 55,898
    Foxy said:

    The_Apocalypse said:

    Stories like that Oxfam scandal are the reason why I don’t blame anyone for being cynical about charities. Since Weinstein, it’s really all coming out now.

    To be fair on Oxfam, the men involved were either sacked or retired out of the organisation, and a quite detailed report to prevent similar events implemented.

    To be fairer, Oxfam put them there in the first place. You think they should get credit for "doing the right thing" and sacking/retiring them? And if they hadn't?
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 53,206
    MarqueeMark said:

    Foxy said:

    The_Apocalypse said:

    Stories like that Oxfam scandal are the reason why I don’t blame anyone for being cynical about charities. Since Weinstein, it’s really all coming out now.

    To be fair on Oxfam, the men involved were either sacked or retired out of the organisation, and a quite detailed report to prevent similar events implemented.

    To be fairer, Oxfam put them there in the first place. You think they should get credit for "doing the right thing" and sacking/retiring them? And if they hadn't?
    All organisations have some that go off the rails, Oxfam reacted appropriately when they found out.

    It is a bit like when the Armed Forces give dishonorable dismissals for mis conduct. It does not invalidate the organisation.
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 53,206
    edited February 2018
    MarqueeMark said:

    AndyJS said:

    https://twitter.com/britainelects/status/961741495920418816

    A very strong independent candidate there. Presume there is a story.....
    https://twitter.com/ElectionMapsUK/status/961742378812850177

    Save our Stretton are opposed to new building. They are NIMBYs.
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 55,898
    Foxy said:

    MarqueeMark said:

    AndyJS said:

    https://twitter.com/britainelects/status/961741495920418816

    A very strong independent candidate there. Presume there is a story.....
    https://twitter.com/ElectionMapsUK/status/961742378812850177

    Save our Stretton are opposed to new building. They are NIMBYs.
    Thanks.
  • TykejohnnoTykejohnno Posts: 7,362
    TheScreamingEagles said:

    FPT

    Oooh


    Jeremy Corbyn told Michel Barnier that he was open to keeping Britain in the customs union after Brexit, a memo circulated to European nations suggests.

    The Labour leader met Mr Barnier, the European Union's chief Brexit negotiator, in London on Monday, where Mr Corbyn promised to run the Brexit negotiations “very differently” if he came to power - and dangled a raft of possible concessions to the EU.

    According to a memo of the meeting, drawn up after a debrief between Mr Barnier and ambassadors from the other 27 EU nations, Mr Corbyn said that he was willing to allow the UK to submit to the rulings of the European Court of Justice should he become prime minister.

    The document, seen by The Daily Telegraph, also states that Mr Corbyn said he could offer a “unilateral guarantee” on the rights of EU citizens during transition.

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2018/02/08/eu-memo-barnier-meeting-raises-questions-jeremy-corbyns-brexit/

    What a treacherous little shit,while the British government negotiates a good deal for Britain,the opposition undermines it with a nod and a wink of just wait until we are in power and we will have a pretend deal of leaving.

    What utter bastards.
  • AndyJSAndyJS Posts: 29,395
    https://twitter.com/Simon4NDorset/status/961746791665426433?ref_src=twsrc^tfw&ref_url=http://vote-2012.proboards.com/posts/recent
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 53,206
    edited February 2018
    Tykejohnno said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    FPT

    Oooh


    Jeremy Corbyn told Michel Barnier that he was open to keeping Britain in the customs union after Brexit, a memo circulated to European nations suggests.

    The Labour leader met Mr Barnier, the European Union's chief Brexit negotiator, in London on Monday, where Mr Corbyn promised to run the Brexit negotiations “very differently” if he came to power - and dangled a raft of possible concessions to the EU.

    According to a memo of the meeting, drawn up after a debrief between Mr Barnier and ambassadors from the other 27 EU nations, Mr Corbyn said that he was willing to allow the UK to submit to the rulings of the European Court of Justice should he become prime minister.

    The document, seen by The Daily Telegraph, also states that Mr Corbyn said he could offer a “unilateral guarantee” on the rights of EU citizens during transition.

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2018/02/08/eu-memo-barnier-meeting-raises-questions-jeremy-corbyns-brexit/

    What a treacherous little shit,while the British government negotiates a good deal for Britain,the opposition undermines it with a nod and a wink of just wait until we are in power and we will have a pretend deal of leaving.

    What utter bastards.
    Not really, indeed it seems some in the Cabinet favour the approach of staying in the CU for the forseable future. Nothing is permanent. The ECJ is a reasonable court of appeal and not even UKIP want to expel EU citizens here.

    Trading these for some other issues that do matter is not a bad gambit.
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 61,456
    Game of Thrones: Libertarian Edition

    https://youtu.be/ojubI-sYwho
  • RobDRobD Posts: 60,728
    williamglenn said:

    RobD said:

    Danny565 said:

    RobD said:



    Heavens knows why he'd give those concessions away after May secured an end to ECJ jurisdiction after the UK left.

    Eh? No deal has yet been struck in terms of what happens after the UK leaves....
    This was agreed at the conclusion of the first phase of negotiations, that ECJ jurisdiction would only apply for several years after Brexit, and not indefinitely.
    That’s only in respect of oversight of citizens’ rights. There hasn’t been any agreement on the broader question of our relationship with the single market.
    Sure. But the article was suggesting he’d accept ECJ oversight of citizen rights.
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 56,314
    RobD said:

    williamglenn said:

    RobD said:

    Danny565 said:

    RobD said:



    Heavens knows why he'd give those concessions away after May secured an end to ECJ jurisdiction after the UK left.

    Eh? No deal has yet been struck in terms of what happens after the UK leaves....
    This was agreed at the conclusion of the first phase of negotiations, that ECJ jurisdiction would only apply for several years after Brexit, and not indefinitely.
    That’s only in respect of oversight of citizens’ rights. There hasn’t been any agreement on the broader question of our relationship with the single market.
    Sure. But the article was suggesting he’d accept ECJ oversight of citizen rights.
    I thought it said 'where needed' which I took to mean a more broad acceptance that the ECJ could have a permanent role.
  • RobDRobD Posts: 60,728
    williamglenn said:

    RobD said:

    williamglenn said:

    RobD said:

    Danny565 said:

    RobD said:



    Heavens knows why he'd give those concessions away after May secured an end to ECJ jurisdiction after the UK left.

    Eh? No deal has yet been struck in terms of what happens after the UK leaves....
    This was agreed at the conclusion of the first phase of negotiations, that ECJ jurisdiction would only apply for several years after Brexit, and not indefinitely.
    That’s only in respect of oversight of citizens’ rights. There hasn’t been any agreement on the broader question of our relationship with the single market.
    Sure. But the article was suggesting he’d accept ECJ oversight of citizen rights.
    I thought it said 'where needed' which I took to mean a more broad acceptance that the ECJ could have a permanent role.
    Even worse!
  • swing_voterswing_voter Posts: 1,466
    At least we get an inkling of what JC wants from BREXIT.....if I am honest I am not sure what any of the Party leaders (even VC) really want to achieve in the next 4-5 years.....none of our political class have shown much leadership - BTW isnt it crunch weekend for HB and UKIP this weekend?
  • JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 47,132
    MarqueeMark said:

    Foxy said:

    The_Apocalypse said:

    Stories like that Oxfam scandal are the reason why I don’t blame anyone for being cynical about charities. Since Weinstein, it’s really all coming out now.

    To be fair on Oxfam, the men involved were either sacked or retired out of the organisation, and a quite detailed report to prevent similar events implemented.

    To be fairer, Oxfam put them there in the first place. You think they should get credit for "doing the right thing" and sacking/retiring them? And if they hadn't?
    I'd love to know the process you would implement to weed out such people *before* they perform such acts. Some form of mind-reading, perhaps?

    I have a rule of thumb: the vast majority of people are good. They make mistakes, but are generally good. 1% of people, however, are utter wrong 'uns. And you cannot always tell them before they do something wrong.

    Any organisation with many employees will have a number of wrong 'uns within it. No-one, whether SME, multinational or charity, can put their hands in their hearts and say: "Nothing like this could ever happen in our organisation."

    Therefore, three things become important:
    *) Early detection. Have processes in place that allow people to come forward with allegations of wrong-doing. Do not allow them to get swallowed up in levels of the organisation's hierarchy (and perhaps covered up).
    *) Fairly investigate. Look into the allegations in a way that is fair to accuser and accused, whether the accused is a janitor or a board member. Follow a well-defined process. If criminality is involved, report to the police.
    *) Once this is done, see how the process can be improved.
  • CharlesCharles Posts: 35,758
    Danny565 said:

    williamglenn said:

    https://twitter.com/georgeeaton/status/961730615824482309

    Is there any intellectual reason for wanting the transition limited to two years, or is it literally just for the partisan reasons that they want it done by the next election so that (they hope) it's not an electoral issue for them at that time.
    2 years ends before the next EU budget cycle. If it can be done by then it's much cleaner
  • OldKingColeOldKingCole Posts: 35,706
    edited February 2018
    swing_voter said:

    At least we get an inkling of what JC wants from BREXIT.....if I am honest I am not sure what any of the Party leaders (even VC) really want to achieve in the next 4-5 years.....none of our political class have shown much leadership - BTW isnt it crunch weekend for HB and UKIP this weekend?

    I think it's fair to say that no-one seems to know what they REALLY want, apart from the simplistic 'just leave'.

    It's the opposite of saying 'lets get married' isn't it. No-one 'just' gets married. The decision might seem simple, but all sorts of things flow from that decision!
    As my grandson tweeted once, having asked his girl-friend to marry him "Spending Sunday afternoons in IKEA. What HAVE I done!"
  • RobDRobD Posts: 60,728
    New thread...
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