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swing_voter said:

First, like Tom Newton Dunn...........what is in it for the Sun? Are they pushing a BJ agenda?

Please no...

OT Jeffrey Archer is selling political cartoons at Sotheby's in March
http://www.sothebys.com/en/auctions/2018/jeffrey-archer-l18417.html

The Political Cartoon Collection of Jeffrey Archer, assembled over three decades, ranges over two hundred years of this satirical art form with subjects from Churchill to Thatcher, Lloyd George to Blair and Eisenhower to Kennedy. Significant artists include Gillray, Rowlandson, Tenniel, Beerbohm, Shepard, Low, Scarfe and Searle. Prices range from £20,000 to £200.

No catalogue yet. The sale clashes with day two of Cheltenham.

OldKingCole said:

DecrepitJohnL said:

OT Jeffrey Archer is selling political cartoons at Sotheby's in March
http://www.sothebys.com/en/auctions/2018/jeffrey-archer-l18417.html

The Political Cartoon Collection of Jeffrey Archer, assembled over three decades, ranges over two hundred years of this satirical art form with subjects from Churchill to Thatcher, Lloyd George to Blair and Eisenhower to Kennedy. Significant artists include Gillray, Rowlandson, Tenniel, Beerbohm, Shepard, Low, Scarfe and Searle. Prices range from £20,000 to £200.

No catalogue yet. The sale clashes with day two of Cheltenham.

Book sales falling?

Sunday Times pegged him at £120m in 2011, so doubt that's his issue.

More likely his kids don't want it so he is cleaning house.

CarlottaVance said:

Sandpit said:

So a junior minister is upset at not getting a recent promotion. Okay.

An older Junior Minister. The Sun does seem to have the inside track - though I note it was “grid girls” that made their front page.....

Someone who thinks their career has peaked? Does that make them 2005 vintage or pre-2005?

CarlottaVance said:

Charles said:

CarlottaVance said:

Sandpit said:

So a junior minister is upset at not getting a recent promotion. Okay.

An older Junior Minister. The Sun does seem to have the inside track - though I note it was “grid girls” that made their front page.....

Someone who thinks their career has peaked? Does that make them 2005 vintage or pre-2005?

Certainly someone with an inflated sense of their own importance.....which does not narrow the field much....

Although the Sun article was very very thin - largely Parris plus a Tory grandee rambling generally. Could easily be a malicious rumour

CarlottaVance said:

Charles said:

CarlottaVance said:

Sandpit said:

So a junior minister is upset at not getting a recent promotion. Okay.

An older Junior Minister. The Sun does seem to have the inside track - though I note it was “grid girls” that made their front page.....

Someone who thinks their career has peaked? Does that make them 2005 vintage or pre-2005?

Certainly someone with an inflated sense of their own importance.....which does not narrow the field much....

The reference to being older suggests that the unhappy Minister isn't personally affected by the next generation not being promoted.

It would be amusing if it were Boris's brother, but more likely candidates are someone like Harrington on the Remain side, where most of the older ones are. I considered Field but he has done media appearances recently and doesn't seem discontented. Or perhaps Jesse Norman, who is independently minded with some form.

Interesting that the Sun is no longer as pervasive in my life as it used to be. The time was when every front page would pass my eyeballs at some time in the day. People just don't read newspapers at tea breaks any more. It must be at least partially losing its ability to drive the agenda.

If anyone has yesterday's Standard, there was a guide to the principal leadership contenders with, more interestingly, their allies and enemies. It does not seem to be online, and I left my copy in the fish and chip shop.

CarlottaVance said:

Sandpit said:

So a junior minister is upset at not getting a recent promotion. Okay.

An older Junior Minister. The Sun does seem to have the inside track - though I note it was “grid girls” that made their front page.....

In today's least shocking news, it appears that the Sun are fans of glamour models.
https://twitter.com/AllieHBNews/status/958831639022497793

Something in my gut tells me we could be very close, but I think it'd take a big beast of cabinet rank to trigger something (and probably not Hammond) and a junior minister (the headline says senior, but he quite clearly isn't) won't quite do it.

swing_voter said:

First, like Tom Newton Dunn...........what is in it for the Sun? Are they pushing a BJ agenda?

He's quite anti-Brexit, so I doubt it.

Then again, he's quite anti-May.

Sandpit said:

Casino_Royale said:

Something in my gut tells me we could be very close, but I think it'd take a big beast of cabinet rank to trigger something (and probably not Hammond) and a junior minister (the headline says senior, but he quite clearly isn't) won't quite do it.

If Cabinet ministers start resigning and publically writing letters to Graham Brady then yes, maybe things will come to a head and we'll get a confidence vote. But some junior minister upset at missing out on a reshuffle promotion, nah.

The lead says it isn't a Cabinet member, so I assume "senior" refers to his age/service

ydoethur said:

Recidivist said:

Interesting that the Sun is no longer as pervasive in my life as it used to be. The time was when every front page would pass my eyeballs at some time in the day. People just don't read newspapers at tea breaks any more. It must be at least partially losing its ability to drive the agenda.

How do you know they're not reading it on their phones?

I don't, but I don't see the headlines if they do.

IanB2 said:

Sandpit said:

Casino_Royale said:

Something in my gut tells me we could be very close, but I think it'd take a big beast of cabinet rank to trigger something (and probably not Hammond) and a junior minister (the headline says senior, but he quite clearly isn't) won't quite do it.

If Cabinet ministers start resigning and publically writing letters to Graham Brady then yes, maybe things will come to a head and we'll get a confidence vote. But some junior minister upset at missing out on a reshuffle promotion, nah.

The lead says it isn't a Cabinet member, so I assume "senior" refers to his age/service

Indeed, so the headline is disingenuous - there's no senior minister about to resign, only an old one.

Sandpit said:

IanB2 said:

Sandpit said:

Casino_Royale said:

Something in my gut tells me we could be very close, but I think it'd take a big beast of cabinet rank to trigger something (and probably not Hammond) and a junior minister (the headline says senior, but he quite clearly isn't) won't quite do it.

If Cabinet ministers start resigning and publically writing letters to Graham Brady then yes, maybe things will come to a head and we'll get a confidence vote. But some junior minister upset at missing out on a reshuffle promotion, nah.

The lead says it isn't a Cabinet member, so I assume "senior" refers to his age/service

Indeed, so the headline is disingenuous - there's no senior minister about to resign, only an old one.

All politicians become 'senior' or 'key' or 'influential' when quoted for stories. If they were outright a newbie then papers would probably go with 'rising star' with the other descriptors unavailable

DavidL said:

Sandpit said:

So a junior minister is upset at not getting a recent promotion. Okay.

No, no, no. It's a matter of principle, you understand.

It's an irregular verb. I have principles, you are prejudiced, he is disgruntled about lack of promotion.

kle4 said:

Sandpit said:

IanB2 said:

Sandpit said:

Casino_Royale said:

Something in my gut tells me we could be very close, but I think it'd take a big beast of cabinet rank to trigger something (and probably not Hammond) and a junior minister (the headline says senior, but he quite clearly isn't) won't quite do it.

If Cabinet ministers start resigning and publically writing letters to Graham Brady then yes, maybe things will come to a head and we'll get a confidence vote. But some junior minister upset at missing out on a reshuffle promotion, nah.

The lead says it isn't a Cabinet member, so I assume "senior" refers to his age/service

Indeed, so the headline is disingenuous - there's no senior minister about to resign, only an old one.

All politicians become 'senior' or 'key' or 'influential' when quoted for stories. If they were outright a newbie then papers would probably go with 'rising star' with the other descriptors unavailable

It's a standing joke in Parliament House. The only way any of us can aspire to being a "top" lawyer is to get caught doing something we shouldn't.

So that's one "bastard" at least...

ydoethur said:

Politics officially jumps the shark.

Labour Uncut agrees with Paul Staines' analysis of Corbyn's statements on Iran:

http://labour-uncut.co.uk/2018/01/31/breaking-labour-leader-leaves-national-television-interview-with-pants-on-fire/

It's downright depressing how little attention that story is going to get. The author is right that UK politics has been devalued by blatant lies and a reluctance to call people out on them. Corbyn is indeed a disgrace and his anti western diatribes resulted in him supporting scum around the world. Mere stupidity is no excuse and Labour should be ashamed.

rottenborough said:

Have we ever had a situation where so many MPs in both major parties don't want their current leader? Vast swathes of the Labour benches would rather be rid of Jezza and vast swathes of the other bench want rid of May.

Incredible.

Could we arrange a swap? Theresa May stood on a similar platform to Ed Miliband so should be acceptable to Labour centrists, plus she is the only person active in politics to deny the Conservatives an overall majority.

Similarly Jeremy Corbyn with his Euroscepticism, penchant for sucking up to foreign dictatorships to get money and goods out of them and cavalier approach to campaigning would surely be acceptable to the Tory hard right. And if not, well, unlike Labour's Byzantine rules on elections the Conservatives have a simple mechanism for getting rid of him.

And if neither quite worked out as expected it would at least be hilarious to watch.

AlastairMeeks said:

Disappointed ministers don’t usually resign and call for a new direction. Just a thought for those pb Tories preparing a character assassination on the unknown politician.

What do disappointed ministers usually do when they resign?

alex. said:

If a 'senior minister' was that concerned about the failure to promote "young talent" from the backbenches, they could of course have made it a bit easier at the time of the reshuffle by making it clear that they didn't wish to continue themselves on the frontbench. Set an example and all that...

Whilst this is true there is likely to be some despair that no-hopers such as Leadsom, Grayling and Fox were left in position in the reshuffle. That despair does not of course properly take account of how little room for manoeuvre May had and indeed any successor would have in a minority government.

https://twitter.com/bpolitics/status/958963149197148160

EasyJet’s it is then....

CarlottaVance said:

https://twitter.com/bpolitics/status/958963149197148160

EasyJet’s it is then....

Haven't flown Ryanair for ages - can't stand the hand luggage policy.

Good morning, everyone.

I wonder about this. If I were sharpening my knife, I wouldn't brief that I had bought a whetstone and was *this* close to using it.

Casino_Royale said:

Something in my gut tells me we could be very close, but I think it'd take a big beast of cabinet rank to trigger something (and probably not Hammond) and a junior minister (the headline says senior, but he quite clearly isn't) won't quite do it.

Think that's right. One consideration might be that people who want May out will be aware that the local elections will probably not show any great movement, so the media story for those will be "relief for May". If they remove her soon, the new leader will probably be in post before May (the month), giving a chance for a honeymoon boost in the locals.

@BBCHelenCatt: BREAKING: @UKIP’s long-serving press spokesman @GawainTowler has resigned

Scott_P said:

@BBCHelenCatt: BREAKING: @UKIP’s long-serving press spokesman @GawainTowler has resigned

Shouldn't that be "long-suffering"?

Never been short of work though.

NickPalmer said:

Casino_Royale said:

Something in my gut tells me we could be very close, but I think it'd take a big beast of cabinet rank to trigger something (and probably not Hammond) and a junior minister (the headline says senior, but he quite clearly isn't) won't quite do it.

Think that's right. One consideration might be that people who want May out will be aware that the local elections will probably not show any great movement, so the media story for those will be "relief for May". If they remove her soon, the new leader will probably be in post before May (the month), giving a chance for a honeymoon boost in the locals.

Honeymoon boost in the locals.. LOL.. I doubt many will bother to vote.

Morris_Dancer said:

Good morning, everyone.

I wonder about this. If I were sharpening my knife, I wouldn't brief that I had bought a whetstone and was *this* close to using it.

Genuine LOL.

I wondered in the same way about Kim saying that North Korea was within months of being able to attack the US with an ICBM. Seemed like saying "so attack me now", but it hasn't (probably fortunately) worked out like that, so far.

https://twitter.com/iandunt/status/958979681310691328

not_on_fire said:

Sandpit said:

Breaking: Train crash in Virginia, hit dumpster on the line. Train was carrying several US Congressmen including Speaker Ryan en route to a Republican policy retreat.
Fatalities mentioned but not among the politicians.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2018/01/31/train-carrying-republican-members-congress-including-house/
Edit: Was a few hours ago now, one fatality in the truck.

Train travel in the US is unacceptably dangerous. For all its faults, our railway industry does a fantastic job on safety.

We've not only had ten years with no fatal accidents on our heavy rail network, we've also recently had a year where there have been no track worker fatalities. So much so, AIUI NR are now including figures for deaths travelling to work, and have started an internal campaign to get people to and from work safely.

http://orr.gov.uk/__data/assets/pdf_file/0017/25622/rail-safety-statistics-2016-17.pdf

But there is no room for complacency: there are still lots of accidents on the railways, and a study of RAIB's websites will show accidents that, if the dice had rolled another way, could easily have caused fatalities.

Sandpit said:

MarqueeMark said:

CarlottaVance said:

https://twitter.com/bpolitics/status/958963149197148160

EasyJet’s it is then....

Good to know that your "plane might not fly" for reasons other than no Ryanair pilots, or piss-poor Ryanair managment. If I were an analyst, I might just be expecting some more troubling news coming down the pike.

Of course, I could be wrong, and next month Ryanair will show they are in the politics business by printing their recommendation on how to vote in the abortion referendum on tickets....

Getting their excuses in early for still not having enough pilots next year. Most of those leaving are Captains in their 40s, not easy to replace. And they're still leaving. Even the unemployed Monarch pilots don't want to work for O'Leary.

Monarch pilots would need retraining as Monarch flew an Airbus fleet and Ryan Air use Boeing.

Either way most Pilots would choice any other airline rather than Ryan air.

https://twitter.com/polhomeeditor/status/958981807902478336

Scott_P said:

https://twitter.com/hhesterm/status/958951154473422849

On the charitable basis that I find it hard to believe that people are as stupid as they sometimes appear, I'm going to assume that this is not a serious negotiating position, but merely an attempt to placate the Hard Brexiteers who are antsy about the transition deal.

Scott_P said:

https://twitter.com/polhomeeditor/status/958981807902478336

How did your counting go on the deficit reduction, eh George? Not enough fingers?

eek said:

Sandpit said:

MarqueeMark said:

CarlottaVance said:

https://twitter.com/bpolitics/status/958963149197148160

EasyJet’s it is then....

Good to know that your "plane might not fly" for reasons other than no Ryanair pilots, or piss-poor Ryanair managment. If I were an analyst, I might just be expecting some more troubling news coming down the pike.

Of course, I could be wrong, and next month Ryanair will show they are in the politics business by printing their recommendation on how to vote in the abortion referendum on tickets....

Getting their excuses in early for still not having enough pilots next year. Most of those leaving are Captains in their 40s, not easy to replace. And they're still leaving. Even the unemployed Monarch pilots don't want to work for O'Leary.

Monarch pilots would need retraining as Monarch flew an Airbus fleet and Ryan Air use Boeing.

Either way most Pilots would choice any other airline rather than Ryan air.

Travelling once on Ryanair was enough.

Sean_F said:

eek said:

Sandpit said:

MarqueeMark said:

CarlottaVance said:

https://twitter.com/bpolitics/status/958963149197148160

EasyJet’s it is then....

Good to know that your "plane might not fly" for reasons other than no Ryanair pilots, or piss-poor Ryanair managment. If I were an analyst, I might just be expecting some more troubling news coming down the pike.

Of course, I could be wrong, and next month Ryanair will show they are in the politics business by printing their recommendation on how to vote in the abortion referendum on tickets....

Getting their excuses in early for still not having enough pilots next year. Most of those leaving are Captains in their 40s, not easy to replace. And they're still leaving. Even the unemployed Monarch pilots don't want to work for O'Leary.

Monarch pilots would need retraining as Monarch flew an Airbus fleet and Ryan Air use Boeing.

Either way most Pilots would choice any other airline rather than Ryan air.

Travelling once on Ryanair was enough.

They are pitching for the Remainer business.

A marriage made in heaven.....

eek said:

Sandpit said:

MarqueeMark said:

CarlottaVance said:

https://twitter.com/bpolitics/status/958963149197148160

EasyJet’s it is then....

Good to know that your "plane might not fly" for reasons other than no Ryanair pilots, or piss-poor Ryanair managment. If I were an analyst, I might just be expecting some more troubling news coming down the pike.

Of course, I could be wrong, and next month Ryanair will show they are in the politics business by printing their recommendation on how to vote in the abortion referendum on tickets....

Getting their excuses in early for still not having enough pilots next year. Most of those leaving are Captains in their 40s, not easy to replace. And they're still leaving. Even the unemployed Monarch pilots don't want to work for O'Leary.

Monarch pilots would need retraining as Monarch flew an Airbus fleet and Ryan Air use Boeing.

Either way most Pilots would choice any other airline rather than Ryan air.

Yes, and Ryanair will charge you for the "Type Rating", something like 25k GBP if you want to work for them and are currently flying Airbus rather than Boeing planes.

The pilots from Monarch seem to have gone to BA, TUI, Easy, Norwegian, some to the ME and China, but pretty much only a handful to Ryanair.

alex. said:

Scott_P said:

https://twitter.com/hhesterm/status/958951154473422849

It seems perfectly logical that people should not accrue long term rights during a transition period. That does not amount to a fight over freedom of movement. The EU position is just illogical, and it is they who are shifting the goalposts.

The EU holds the whip hand and can demand whatever it wants. The claims of the Leave campaign that the EU would be desperate for a trade deal with us look rather quaint now.

Nadine tweets:

https://twitter.com/NadineDorries/status/958978673721462784?ref_src=twcamp^share|twsrc^m5|twgr^email|twcon^7046|twterm^1

https://twitter.com/holbornlolz/status/958712976080560128

Sandpit said:

Sandpit said:

MarqueeMark said:

CarlottaVance said:

https://twitter.com/bpolitics/status/958963149197148160

EasyJet’s it is then....

Good to know that your "plane might not fly" for reasons other than no Ryanair pilots, or piss-poor Ryanair managment. If I were an analyst, I might just be expecting some more troubling news coming down the pike.

Of course, I could be wrong, and next month Ryanair will show they are in the politics business by printing their recommendation on how to vote in the abortion referendum on tickets....

Getting their excuses in early for still not having enough pilots next year. Most of those leaving are Captains in their 40s, not easy to replace. And they're still leaving. Even the unemployed Monarch pilots don't want to work for O'Leary.

Edit: Ryanair have even allowed their UK based pilots to join a union in the hope of stopping them leaving!
http://www.cityam.com/279707/ryanair-ties-up-historic-agreement-recognise-uk-pilots

'Allowed'to join a Union! What sort of company is this? Yeah, Ryanair.

The Guardian has a piece this morning on 'emotional support animals', cconsequent on some American woman not being allowed to take her peacock on board an aeroplane. Ordinary commercial flight. Apparently it was an ESA, and therefore essential to her well being.

Bleeding Gordon Bennett!!!!

https://twitter.com/andrew_adonis/status/958987015739015168

Sandpit said:

OldKingCole said:

The Guardian has a piece this morning on 'emotional support animals', cconsequent on some American woman not being allowed to take her peacock on board an aeroplane. Ordinary commercial flight. Apparently it was an ESA, and therefore essential to her well being.

Bleeding Gordon Bennett!!!!

It’s a big thing among the first class flyers of California apparently. They get a letter from their doctor saying they’ll be emotionally distressed if their dog/cat/whatever isn’t allowed to fly with them in the cabin. Apparently this makes them ‘disabled’ according to law and the airline is bound to go along with the scam.

It's a well known way around most airlines' policies that pets travel in the hold (which is unpleasant and risky for them) unless they are medical assistance dogs.

Sandpit said:

OldKingCole said:

The Guardian has a piece this morning on 'emotional support animals', cconsequent on some American woman not being allowed to take her peacock on board an aeroplane. Ordinary commercial flight. Apparently it was an ESA, and therefore essential to her well being.

Bleeding Gordon Bennett!!!!

It’s a big thing among the first class flyers of California apparently. They get a letter from their doctor saying they’ll be emotionally distressed if their dog/cat/whatever isn’t allowed to fly with them in the cabin. Apparently this makes them ‘disabled’ according to law and the airline is bound to go along with the scam.

Could a passenger take a golliwog on board, on the ground that they need it for emotional support?

Scott_P said:

https://twitter.com/andrew_adonis/status/958987015739015168

Sh!t's like Adonis are utterly shameful.

If we listened to people like him,we would have the Merkel asylum policy.

Sean_F said:

Morris_Dancer said:

Mr. Palmer, one aims to please.

Meanwhile, in puritanical censorship news: https://twitter.com/thomasknox/status/958765480293969920

Is this a painting that you would allow your wife or servant to view?

This feels like a cheesy publicity stunt - the kind of thing that never really provokes debate, just ranting in the Guardian's comments section.

The key sentence is tucked at the end of the article.

“We think it probably will return, yes, but hopefully contextualised quite differently. It is not just about that one painting, it is the whole context of the gallery.”

So, it is not really about whether the art should be on display, but about how it should be curated. At the moment it seems that it is not being done all that well.

That "hopefully" is a bit worrying, though. "Hopefully" we will not be totally useless at our job.

Sean_F said:

Morris_Dancer said:

Mr. Palmer, one aims to please.

Meanwhile, in puritanical censorship news: https://twitter.com/thomasknox/status/958765480293969920

Is this a painting that you would allow your wife or servant to view?

shrugs.

no penetration.