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Ipsos-MORI has been around longer than any of the firms currently measuring political opinion in the UK and its findings for December will add to the nagging doubts we are seeing in the Labour team.
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What a shame.0
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Obviously it's leader ratings amongst 2010 Lib Dems that really count.0
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Nothing says it's Friday like an 'Ed is crap' thread....0
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SB Looks like we will soon need seven Fridays in a week.0
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39/29% is a big lead for Cameron over Milliband. I think Milliband's problem is that the voters as a whole made up their minds about him a long time ago. When he has a good run, his ratings pick up a bit, but then they subside back down again.
Of course, Labour do have a pretty solid bloc of support, notwithstanding peoples' views about their leader.0 -
You really do wonder what would happen to labour's economic critique if real pay started growing again next year, as is being forecast.
Goodness me.0 -
But what has Clegg done to get such a boost in his ratings?
Also Nick/Ed crossover next year in the ratings?0 -
Even George has become popular in the past few months.
Balls deep in trouble ?0 -
Applying the L&N model to IPSOS we have:-
(Central forecast)
Con vote lead 7.3%
Con seat lead 57 seats
(10000 Monte Carlo simulations)
Chance of Tory vote lead: 99.9%
Chance of a Tory seat lead: 97.4%
Chance of a Hung Parliament: 63.5%
Chance of a Tory majority: 36.5%
Chance of a Labour majority: 0.0%
A recovery in Tory fortunes, after a slight weakening last month, back to more or less where it's been since May 2013.0 -
Those substantially positive ratings for Ed seem further away than ever. Poor IOS.0
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What will Labour do with their Toxic Balls ?
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Jack Dromey will accidentally tweet a picture of it?TGOHF said:What will Labour do with their Toxic Balls ?
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tim's busy polling Mrs Trellis in North Wales.Neil said:Obviously it's leader ratings amongst 2010 Lib Dems that really count.
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Mr TSE, how long have you waited to say that ? : )TheScreamingEagles said:Even George has become popular in the past few months.
Balls deep in trouble ?0 -
Clegg + 7
Those 2010 LDs warming up to him ?0 -
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No comment.SimonStClare said:
Mr TSE, how long have you waited to say that ? : )TheScreamingEagles said:Even George has become popular in the past few months.
Balls deep in trouble ?
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My working assumption is that Clegg's popularity rating is a proxy for the coalition's popularity, as Clegg is its embodiment. So an improvement in the economy broadly means that the coalition is working and Clegg's raison d'etre is approved.TheScreamingEagles said:But what has Clegg done to get such a boost in his ratings?
Also Nick/Ed crossover next year in the ratings?
Or is this getting cause and correlation confused?0 -
@TimMontgomerie: To have an unpopular leader looks unfortunate. To have an unpopular leader *and* Treasury spokesman looks careless http://t.co/x4RCaVDuzW0
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To save me having to do it when I get home...
Can anybody post the leader ratings by party id? Only Lab in the thread header.
(limited access & time atm)
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FWIW, I'm expecting the first Tory VI leads to start popping up around May 2014....0
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I'm starting to have an ounce of respect for Nick Clegg
He's taken the mother of all monsterings in the last three years, and yet he's still going strong.0 -
Two Eds = Varro and Paullus
Dave = Hannibal.
Discuss.0 -
There some other interesting nuggets in the Ipsos Mori poll.
I don't know how it was done, probably by phone number area code and the respondents might not be aware of their constituency like in proper constituency polling, and they're probably not weighted properly etc etc, but they have split up the answers into safe seats, marginal seats and LD seats. Probably not worth reproducing in any great detail as the Tories apparently get an 18 point lead in Tory marginals and a 14 point lead in LD seats over both Labour and LDs!
Anyway government satisfaction is -25 across the country, -5 in Tory marginals and LD seats.
Approval of Cameron is -13 nationally; +9 in Tory marginals (-5 in safe Tory seats)
Approval of Miliband is -25 nationally; -13 in Tory marginals (-17 in Labour marginals; -25 in safe Labour seats; -38 in LD seats)0 -
I think you may be right - it was awesome.AveryLP said:
It was the Christmas Card wot did it.taffys said:I'm starting to have an ounce of respect for Nick Clegg
He's taken the mother of all monsterings in the last three years, and yet he's still going strong.
http://static.guim.co.uk/sys-images/Guardian/Pix/pictures/2013/12/10/1386675094766/Nick-Cleggs-Christmas-car-001.jpg0 -
Yes - in a month ... those 2010 LDs won't be able to resist forever..TheScreamingEagles said:0 -
welcome to the cockroach club, you can join myself and Mr Eagles on the benches of those who say you write him off at your peril.taffys said:I'm starting to have an ounce of respect for Nick Clegg
He's taken the mother of all monsterings in the last three years, and yet he's still going strong.0 -
LAB had lead of 21% on MON the final day of Ipsos-MORI fieldwork
It was SAT 3%
SUN 2%
MON 21%0 -
Is that for real? It's actually quite awesomeSimonStClare said:
I think you may be right - it was awesome.AveryLP said:
It was the Christmas Card wot did it.taffys said:I'm starting to have an ounce of respect for Nick Clegg
He's taken the mother of all monsterings in the last three years, and yet he's still going strong.
http://static.guim.co.uk/sys-images/Guardian/Pix/pictures/2013/12/10/1386675094766/Nick-Cleggs-Christmas-car-001.jpg0 -
Tories back at work, Mike.MikeSmithson said:LAB had lead of 21% on MON the final day of Ipsos-MORI fieldwork
It was SAT 3%
SUN 2%
MON 21%
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Only Lab supporters home on a Monday....MikeSmithson said:LAB had lead of 21% on MON the final day of Ipsos-MORI fieldwork
It was SAT 3%
SUN 2%
MON 21%0 -
o_OMikeSmithson said:LAB had lead of 21% on MON the final day of Ipsos-MORI fieldwork
It was SAT 3%
SUN 2%
MON 21%
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So we have Avery predicting crossover in 12 days and now Rod predicting crossover in May. Don't worry chaps, you can keep knocking them back every few months. Amazing how long "imminent" is.0
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@Antifrank
FPT Out of interest, isam, how did you feel about a group of Hungarians winning Britain's Got Talent?
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I haven't watched that show before, but I assume it is about finding the act living in Britain that viewers think is the best?
If that's the case then I don't think it matters which nationality the act is
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At some point tim will realise that his joy at the March 2012 "omnishambes" Budget was misplaced, as behind the smoke-screen, it led to Osborne delivering the strengthening economy that will see Labour seriously under-perform his hopes in 2015.
He will no doubt be scratching his head wondering how on earth "Griggs-gate" didn't deliver Ed Miliband, Prime Minister....0 -
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It is 8 letters long, compouter.compouter1 said:So we have Avery predicting crossover in 12 days and now Rod predicting crossover in May. Don't worry chaps, you can keep knocking them back every few months. Amazing how long "imminent" is.
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All the tories were out at work clearly..DaemonBarber said:
o_OMikeSmithson said:LAB had lead of 21% on MON the final day of Ipsos-MORI fieldwork
It was SAT 3%
SUN 2%
MON 21%0 -
And in time in your world, many many months.AveryLP said:
It is 8 letters long, compouter.compouter1 said:So we have Avery predicting crossover in 12 days and now Rod predicting crossover in May. Don't worry chaps, you can keep knocking them back every few months. Amazing how long "imminent" is.
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Hardly. Most of them are retiredAveryLP said:
Tories back at work, Mike.MikeSmithson said:LAB had lead of 21% on MON the final day of Ipsos-MORI fieldwork
It was SAT 3%
SUN 2%
MON 21%
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Out playing bingo or gin rummy.MikeSmithson said:
Hardly. Most of them are retiredAveryLP said:
Tories back at work, Mike.MikeSmithson said:LAB had lead of 21% on MON the final day of Ipsos-MORI fieldwork
It was SAT 3%
SUN 2%
MON 21%0 -
To be fair, Balls was Ed's second choice...Scott_P said:@TimMontgomerie: To have an unpopular leader looks unfortunate. To have an unpopular leader *and* Treasury spokesman looks careless http://t.co/x4RCaVDuzW
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Out using their free bus passes....MikeSmithson said:
Hardly. Most of them are retiredAveryLP said:
Tories back at work, Mike.MikeSmithson said:LAB had lead of 21% on MON the final day of Ipsos-MORI fieldwork
It was SAT 3%
SUN 2%
MON 21%0 -
@rcs100
FPT
My comments are not really about the rights and wrongs of foreign coaches. They are about the fact that we play within a set of rules that are determined by a sport's governing body. We cannot be cheating so long as we play within those rules. And we should do everything we can within those rules to win.
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I would have thought that the rules for competitive international sport were drawn up many years before globalisation, in a time when it was quite unthinkable for someone of a different nationality to coach a National team.
Times have changed and no rule has been introduced to enforce what used to be governed by a moral compass.
Our argument is more one of "rules of the game" vs "spirit of the game", or "gamesmanship" and "sportsmanship"... technically you are right in what you say, and you seem to be more in touch with the way of the modern world than I in your thinking on this. So be it.0 -
.....and despite all of the above.
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/9/96/UK_opinion_polling_2010-2015.png
Show me the crossover........Show me the crossover.0 -
In Tory marginals according to Ipsos Mori:
Net like Osborne -11
Net like policies +5
Net like Balls -12
Net like policies -370 -
Out spending their winter fuel allowance.Slackbladder said:
Out using their free bus passes....MikeSmithson said:
Hardly. Most of them are retiredAveryLP said:
Tories back at work, Mike.MikeSmithson said:LAB had lead of 21% on MON the final day of Ipsos-MORI fieldwork
It was SAT 3%
SUN 2%
MON 21%0 -
Retired Tory men and women spend their days out of the home, working unpaid on the Big Society.MikeSmithson said:
Hardly. Most of them are retiredAveryLP said:
Tories back at work, Mike.MikeSmithson said:LAB had lead of 21% on MON the final day of Ipsos-MORI fieldwork
It was SAT 3%
SUN 2%
MON 21%
Unemployed Labour men and women spend their days at home, watching Jeremy Kyle and Cash in the Attic.
No-one knows what unemployed or retired Lib Dems do ...
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While he was fwapping at the pasty tax the corporation tax cuts were laying the groundwork for the recovery.MarqueeMark said:At some point tim will realise that his joy at the March 2012 "omnishambes" Budget was misplaced, as behind the smoke-screen, it led to Osborne delivering the strengthening economy that will see Labour seriously under-perform his hopes in 2015.
He will no doubt be scratching his head wondering how on earth "Griggs-gate" didn't deliver Ed Miliband, Prime Minister....
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Who do you think would make the most capable Chancellor, the Conservatives' George Osborne or Labour's Ed Balls?
(Net Osborne)
All +11
Tory marginals +18
Lab marginals -50 -
@Slackbladder
'To be fair, Balls was Ed's second choice...'
Voter repellent,just reminds everyone of Brown & McBride.0 -
I do like the way Ipsos-MORI has added a whole new range of data particularly the breakdown by seat type.
...they run websites like PBJosiasJessop said:
Retired Tory men and women spend their days out of the home, working unpaid on the Big Society.MikeSmithson said:
Hardly. Most of them are retiredAveryLP said:
Tories back at work, Mike.MikeSmithson said:LAB had lead of 21% on MON the final day of Ipsos-MORI fieldwork
It was SAT 3%
SUN 2%
MON 21%
Unemployed Labour men and women spend their days at home, watching Jeremy Kyle and Cash in the Attic.
No-one knows what unemployed or retired Lib Dems do ...
;-)
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Whilst noting that the big political issue really concerns Michael Gove, it is incredible that Ed Balls is so unpopular given that he hasn't actually had to make a spending cut or raise a tax as Chancellor. Imagine what his ratings would be like if he ever had? The hopeless multi-chinned fop!0
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I didn't know she had!Neil said:@isam
Celine Dion singing for Switzerland in Eurovision must have messed with your mind!
Quite like Celine, I saw her live at Wembley in 1999 w my ex girlfriend for her 21st
Seems strange to me that Switzerland would deprive a Swiss person the chance, but I don't make the rules0 -
At this rate Harman will be heading up Labour's election campaign.....0
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Labour haven't really done anything or said much in recent times hence the slight downward pressure on their score. But it doesn't really matter. They just need to keep cool and hold their ground for a while. Tellingly, the ten tonnes of slurry they had thrown at them over the autumn has had no effect - Falkirk etc, yawn - as forecast by the wiser among us. Even mad Carlotta has given up on it now.
I think Labour will be happy enough to skate into the New Year with a ~5pt lead. Meanwhile, the Tories on here will write their election winning speeches.0 -
lindane - topical shampoo?TGOHF said:What will Labour do with their Toxic Balls ?
http://www.medicinenet.com/lindane-topical_shampoo/article.htm
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There are other websites like PB???MikeSmithson said:
...they run websites like PB
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Has it been caught sending inappropriate Tweets?tim said:Messiah Goves joke schools in trouble again
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..they run websites like PB
And a vital social function it is.
Big society in action0 -
The St. Pauls old girl and niece of the Countess of Longford would really give the voters of Britain a chance to put in place something different from the old Fopocracy.Millsy said:At this rate Harman will be heading up Labour's election campaign.....
Or not.
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@MrHarryCole: BBC: "Labour has warned MP Jack Dromey about using potentially "offensive" language" http://t.co/GtL5bEmqKo Who gave the warning? Harman?0
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True, Falkirk has had absolutely no effect on the union stranglehold of Labour, as predicted by the wiser among us.Bobajob said:has had no effect - Falkirk etc, yawn - as forecast by the wiser among us.
The PB Kinnocks assured us Ed's 'big fight' with Len was a game changer. How will they respond at the special conference when Len bitch slaps Ed all over again?0 -
Len.Scott_P said:@MrHarryCole: BBC: "Labour has warned MP Jack Dromey about using potentially "offensive" language" http://t.co/GtL5bEmqKo Who gave the warning? Harman?
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Gove is not taking any prisoners..If the school is not run properly then it gets closed This should have happened in Labours 13 wasted years.. Other schools will no doubt be taking notice.0
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Except Falkirk/Unite HAS had an effect. And a rather significant one. Indeed a Gold Standard one. Ed's Leader MORI ratings vs Dave's have slumped to -12%.
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Yes, I wouldn't want to sound too high and mighty ( although I know I did sound exactly that!)rcs1000 said:@isam
I always remember my dad (OGH) saying of Mike Atherton "I wouldn't want anyone playing for England who wasn't prepared to cheat for his country"
I assume his tongue was at least partially in his cheek
Put it this way, I play over 35s football, and would feel bad if we won with a couple of 33 year olds playing, but wouldn't feel as bad if we won thanks to a handballed goal (with no under 35s playing)
I think its analogous to having a drunken one night stand against arranging to meet someone for an extra marital affair... both are wrong, but doing regrettable things in the heat of the moment is more forgivable than planning to do so in cold blood
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A couple of predictions then for the record:
Avery crossover by 25 Dec
Rod Crosby crossover by May 1
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No. The PB McTories assured us it would damage Labour VI in Scotland. It hasn't - the PB McTories were wrong. Suck it up. Move on.Scott_P said:
True, Falkirk has had absolutely no effect on the union stranglehold of Labour, as predicted by the wiser among us.Bobajob said:has had no effect - Falkirk etc, yawn - as forecast by the wiser among us.
The PB Kinnocks assured us Ed's 'big fight' with Len was a game changer. How will they respond at the special conference when Len bitch slaps Ed all over again?
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I'd agree with all of that. And I would like to apologise for my tone in the previous exchange. It was rude and unnecessary.isam said:
Yes, I wouldn't want to sound too high and mighty ( although I know I did sound exactly that!)rcs1000 said:@isam
I always remember my dad (OGH) saying of Mike Atherton "I wouldn't want anyone playing for England who wasn't prepared to cheat for his country"
I assume his tongue was at least partially in his cheek
Put it this way, I play over 35s football, and would feel bad if we won with a couple of 33 year olds playing, but wouldn't feel as bad if we won thanks to a handballed goal (with no under 35s playing)
I think its analogous to having a drunken one night stand against arranging to meet someone for an extra marital affair... both are wrong, but doing regrettable things in the heat of the moment is more forgivable than planning to do so in cold blood0 -
Would you feel bad if you had a manager who was <35?isam said:
Put it this way, I play over 35s football, and would feel bad if we won with a couple of 33 year olds playing, but wouldn't feel as bad if we won thanks to a handballed goal (with no under 35s playing)
I put out a side with a back four of a combined age of 200+ last weekend
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MORI - Lab lead 4%
ICM - Lab lead 5%
Populus - Lab lead 5%
YouGov (today) - Lab lead 4%
YouGov (average of 4 polls this week) - Lab lead 5%
That looks pretty suggestive that the Lab lead has narrowed from approx 7% down to approx 5%. Not a huge move but certainly a noticeable one.
Ed's energy freeze fading into the background and the improving economy very, very slowly getting absorbed.0 -
I doubt this was the case - Labour seems incapable of peeving off its core vote in Scotland despite shafting it for the last 30 years.Bobajob said:
No. The PB McTories assured us it would damage Labour VI in Scotland. It hasn't - the PB McTories were wrong. Suck it up. Move on.Scott_P said:
True, Falkirk has had absolutely no effect on the union stranglehold of Labour, as predicted by the wiser among us.Bobajob said:has had no effect - Falkirk etc, yawn - as forecast by the wiser among us.
The PB Kinnocks assured us Ed's 'big fight' with Len was a game changer. How will they respond at the special conference when Len bitch slaps Ed all over again?
Falkirk is more likely to be damaging to Ed in middle England - who are less enamoured with "union firebrands" than the Jockanese.0 -
While we are on predictions, not sure how to precisely quantify this, but UKIP will do very well in May - at taking votes away from Labour. I expect Labour to under-perform expectations (however they are formulated!) by at least a 5% vote share. So an expected say 29% will turn to actual 24% of votes cast.
Which would make it a crap-shoot predicting 2015!0 -
My sense is that it's come mostly from an increase in the Tory score than a fall in Labour. I could be wrong - haven't studied the numbers.MikeL said:MORI - Lab lead 4%
ICM - Lab lead 5%
Populus - Lab lead 5%
YouGov (today) - Lab lead 4%
YouGov (average of 4 polls this week) - Lab lead 5%
That looks pretty suggestive that the Lab lead has narrowed from approx 7% down to approx 5%. Not a huge move but certainly a noticeable one.
Ed's energy freeze fading into the background and the improving economy very, very slowly getting absorbed.
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How about making some predictions of your own, for us to note? For instance, what do you think will be the situation on May 7th next year, with a year to go?Bobajob said:A couple of predictions then for the record:
Avery crossover by 25 Dec
Rod Crosby crossover by May 1
Noted.
My own view is that we will be chundering around the level-pegging mark, with various polls showing either a Labour or Conservative lead. I base this on an improving economy and Labour's poor leadership.
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Ah that's big of you to say so, thank you.rcs1000 said:
I'd agree with all of that. And I would like to apologise for my tone in the previous exchange. It was rude and unnecessary.isam said:
Yes, I wouldn't want to sound too high and mighty ( although I know I did sound exactly that!)rcs1000 said:@isam
I always remember my dad (OGH) saying of Mike Atherton "I wouldn't want anyone playing for England who wasn't prepared to cheat for his country"
I assume his tongue was at least partially in his cheek
Put it this way, I play over 35s football, and would feel bad if we won with a couple of 33 year olds playing, but wouldn't feel as bad if we won thanks to a handballed goal (with no under 35s playing)
I think its analogous to having a drunken one night stand against arranging to meet someone for an extra marital affair... both are wrong, but doing regrettable things in the heat of the moment is more forgivable than planning to do so in cold blood0 -
Show me a man who calls himself a vegan,
and I'll show you a man who's trying to shag a vegan.0 -
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not you - Mad Carlotta. S/he spent days on end spamming the thread with it. Ranks up there as one of the worst predictions of all time on PB.TGOHF said:
I doubt this was the case - Labour seems incapable of peeving off its core vote in Scotland despite shafting it for the last 30 years.Bobajob said:
No. The PB McTories assured us it would damage Labour VI in Scotland. It hasn't - the PB McTories were wrong. Suck it up. Move on.Scott_P said:
True, Falkirk has had absolutely no effect on the union stranglehold of Labour, as predicted by the wiser among us.Bobajob said:has had no effect - Falkirk etc, yawn - as forecast by the wiser among us.
The PB Kinnocks assured us Ed's 'big fight' with Len was a game changer. How will they respond at the special conference when Len bitch slaps Ed all over again?
Falkirk is more likely to be damaging to Ed in middle England - who are less enamoured with "union firebrands" than the Jockanese.0 -
Don't the zimmer frames get stuck in the turf?Neil said:
Would you feel bad if you had a manager who was <35?isam said:
Put it this way, I play over 35s football, and would feel bad if we won with a couple of 33 year olds playing, but wouldn't feel as bad if we won thanks to a handballed goal (with no under 35s playing)
I put out a side with a back four of a combined age of 200+ last weekend</p>0 -
You could put Gordon Brown in a suit in Scotland and they'd still vote for Labour.Scott_P said:
True, Falkirk has had absolutely no effect on the union stranglehold of Labour, as predicted by the wiser among us.Bobajob said:has had no effect - Falkirk etc, yawn - as forecast by the wiser among us.
The PB Kinnocks assured us Ed's 'big fight' with Len was a game changer. How will they respond at the special conference when Len bitch slaps Ed all over again?0 -
On May 7th next UKIP might be the most popular party in the country. That wont tell us much about the next GE though.JosiasJessop said:what do you think will be the situation on May 7th next year, with a year to go?
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Do you think the current "do nothing on the economy" is a good idea for Labour - and when should they turn to actual policy ?Bobajob said:Not
not you - Mad Carlotta. S/he spent days on end spamming the thread with it. Ranks up there as one of the worst predictions of all time on PB.TGOHF said:
I doubt this was the case - Labour seems incapable of peeving off its core vote in Scotland despite shafting it for the last 30 years.Bobajob said:
No. The PB McTories assured us it would damage Labour VI in Scotland. It hasn't - the PB McTories were wrong. Suck it up. Move on.Scott_P said:
True, Falkirk has had absolutely no effect on the union stranglehold of Labour, as predicted by the wiser among us.Bobajob said:has had no effect - Falkirk etc, yawn - as forecast by the wiser among us.
The PB Kinnocks assured us Ed's 'big fight' with Len was a game changer. How will they respond at the special conference when Len bitch slaps Ed all over again?
Falkirk is more likely to be damaging to Ed in middle England - who are less enamoured with "union firebrands" than the Jockanese.0 -
I'm a bit embarrassed at how much this good news for 'my team' (the Lib Dems / government) has pleased me. Oh well, clearly I'm completely partisan... But Osborne at +11 over Balls on 'who would make the best chancellor'? That's just stunning, isn't it, considering Labour are trying to make the economy (okay, the cost of living) their main attack line?0
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The bloke who picks our team is under 35! Its the keepers son!Neil said:
Would you feel bad if you had a manager who was <35?isam said:
Put it this way, I play over 35s football, and would feel bad if we won with a couple of 33 year olds playing, but wouldn't feel as bad if we won thanks to a handballed goal (with no under 35s playing)
I put out a side with a back four of a combined age of 200+ last weekend</p>
I don't think that matters to be honest, I don't feel bad about Gareth Southgate being too old for the U-21s either
No under 35s in this line up though!
http://www.clubwebsite.co.uk/hornchurchvetsfc/156433/Home0 -
I hope to be half as lively as they are when I get to their ages!Anorak said:
Don't the zimmer frames get stuck in the turf?Neil said:
Would you feel bad if you had a manager who was <35?isam said:
Put it this way, I play over 35s football, and would feel bad if we won with a couple of 33 year olds playing, but wouldn't feel as bad if we won thanks to a handballed goal (with no under 35s playing)
I put out a side with a back four of a combined age of 200+ last weekend</p>0 -
What do dildos and soya beans have in common ?rcs1000 said:Show me a man who calls himself a vegan,
and I'll show you a man who's trying to shag a vegan.
Both get used as substitute meat.
::Innocent Face::
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Conference 2014. No point having a suite of policies yet. Anything decent, the government pinches a la energy. That came too soon IMOTGOHF said:
Do you think the current "do nothing on the economy" is a good idea for Labour - and when should they turn to actual policy ?Bobajob said:Not
not you - Mad Carlotta. S/he spent days on end spamming the thread with it. Ranks up there as one of the worst predictions of all time on PB.TGOHF said:
I doubt this was the case - Labour seems incapable of peeving off its core vote in Scotland despite shafting it for the last 30 years.Bobajob said:
No. The PB McTories assured us it would damage Labour VI in Scotland. It hasn't - the PB McTories were wrong. Suck it up. Move on.Scott_P said:
True, Falkirk has had absolutely no effect on the union stranglehold of Labour, as predicted by the wiser among us.Bobajob said:has had no effect - Falkirk etc, yawn - as forecast by the wiser among us.
The PB Kinnocks assured us Ed's 'big fight' with Len was a game changer. How will they respond at the special conference when Len bitch slaps Ed all over again?
Falkirk is more likely to be damaging to Ed in middle England - who are less enamoured with "union firebrands" than the Jockanese.
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Link to one of my 'predictions'? Since there are so many of them that should be easy to do.....Bobajob said:Not
not you - Mad Carlotta. S/he spent days on end spamming the thread with it. Ranks up there as one of the worst predictions of all time on PB.TGOHF said:
I doubt this was the case - Labour seems incapable of peeving off its core vote in Scotland despite shafting it for the last 30 years.Bobajob said:
No. The PB McTories assured us it would damage Labour VI in Scotland. It hasn't - the PB McTories were wrong. Suck it up. Move on.Scott_P said:
True, Falkirk has had absolutely no effect on the union stranglehold of Labour, as predicted by the wiser among us.Bobajob said:has had no effect - Falkirk etc, yawn - as forecast by the wiser among us.
The PB Kinnocks assured us Ed's 'big fight' with Len was a game changer. How will they respond at the special conference when Len bitch slaps Ed all over again?
Falkirk is more likely to be damaging to Ed in middle England - who are less enamoured with "union firebrands" than the Jockanese.
If you think Falkirk is 'over' you are even more deluded than hitherto demonstrated.....
http://www.falkirkherald.co.uk/news/local-news/falkirk-a-key-independence-referendum-battleground-just-like-in-1993-1-3227516
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/labours-secrecy-over-falkirk-scandal-a-gift-to-the-snp-8990849.html
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Polling data? Which polls have reliable Scottish sub-samples?Bobajob said:
No. The PB McTories assured us it would damage Labour VI in Scotland. It hasn't - the PB McTories were wrong. Suck it up. Move on.Scott_P said:
True, Falkirk has had absolutely no effect on the union stranglehold of Labour, as predicted by the wiser among us.Bobajob said:has had no effect - Falkirk etc, yawn - as forecast by the wiser among us.
The PB Kinnocks assured us Ed's 'big fight' with Len was a game changer. How will they respond at the special conference when Len bitch slaps Ed all over again?
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Surely the worst prediction of all time on pb.com was Mark Senior's - that there would be no recession. Backed up by a bet of a gold sov....
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I'll show that to your motherrcs1000 said:Show me a man who calls himself a vegan,
and I'll show you a man who's trying to shag a vegan.
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