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If the object was to move on from the bungling of the reshuffle then Theresa May’s remarkable move on plastic waste has certainly achieved that.

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  • Beverley_CBeverley_C Posts: 6,256
    First unlike Brexit
  • Beverley_CBeverley_C Posts: 6,256
    Plastic waste is a big issue so I will give Mrs May some kudos for raising the issue. However it needs more decisive action than what she is prescribing so minus points for that.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 87,038
    In 3rd....like those who read the Daily Mail on Virgin Trains.
  • swing_voterswing_voter Posts: 1,466
    The cynic in me believes that the nearest TM came to espousing green issues was over support for rescinding fox hunting. I cannot see young voters flocking to the Conservatives over this but it is a useful distraction from what is a rather dull Cabinet. I wonder whether it is an attempt to put Gove on the spot - perhaps lining him up as a potential successor by giving his dept airtime.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 87,038
    edited January 2018
    President Trump grew frustrated with lawmakers Thursday in the Oval Office when they discussed protecting immigrants from Haiti, El Salvador and African countries as part of a bipartisan immigration deal, according to several people briefed on the meeting.

    “Why are we having all these people from shithole countries come here?” Trump said, according to these people, referring to countries mentioned by the lawmakers.
  • Dura_AceDura_Ace Posts: 14,816
    This plastic bollocks looks like a 'National Spare Room Database' move. This government is slowly dying.
  • CarlottaVanceCarlottaVance Posts: 60,422
    Good to see Gove’s reforming zeal being applied to the Environment - and good for Mrs May to let him get stuck in. And as for those worrying about “degradation of Environmental standards” after we leave the EU - England (its devolved) is well ahead of the curve when it comes to bannng Microbeads - only the Dutch have similar legislation in the EU, while others (Ireland) are yet to legislate....
  • CarlottaVanceCarlottaVance Posts: 60,422
    Beverley_C said:

    Plastic waste is a big issue so I will give Mrs May some kudos for raising the issue. However it needs more decisive action than what she is prescribing so minus points for that.

    No plus points for being well ahead of the EU on microbeads, for example?
  • CarlottaVanceCarlottaVance Posts: 60,422
    edited January 2018
    It all reminds me of John Major’s “cones hotline” in the 1992-97 parliament which came to become a symbol of the then PM’s weaknesses rather than strengths.

    While the cones hotline was a source of ridicule, Major did start a fundamental shift in the relationship between government agencies and the public - from passive recipients of what the agency deigned adequate to customers with rights and if necessary redress.
  • CarlottaVanceCarlottaVance Posts: 60,422
    https://twitter.com/GoodwinMJ/status/951555412461047808?ref_src=twcamp^share|twsrc^m5|twgr^email|twcon^7046|twterm^1
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 56,621
    CarlottaVance said:

    https://twitter.com/GoodwinMJ/status/951555412461047808?ref_src=twcamp^share|twsrc^m5|twgr^email|twcon^7046|twterm^1

    Let’s also add Osborne, for a cross-party bunch of democracy-denying has-beens telling us we were wrong the first time.
  • CarlottaVanceCarlottaVance Posts: 60,422
    Sandpit said:

    CarlottaVance said:

    https://twitter.com/GoodwinMJ/status/951555412461047808?ref_src=twcamp^share|twsrc^m5|twgr^email|twcon^7046|twterm^1

    Let’s also add Osborne, for a cross-party bunch of democracy-denying has-beens telling us we were wrong the first time.
    Who? Add Farage to the list to cover all the bases....
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 56,314
    Sandpit said:

    CarlottaVance said:

    https://twitter.com/GoodwinMJ/status/951555412461047808?ref_src=twcamp^share|twsrc^m5|twgr^email|twcon^7046|twterm^1

    Let’s also add Osborne, for a cross-party bunch of democracy-denying has-beens telling us we were wrong the first time.
    Having a second referendum seems to have acquired an air of inevitability.
  • CarlottaVanceCarlottaVance Posts: 60,422
    williamglenn said:

    Sandpit said:

    CarlottaVance said:

    https://twitter.com/GoodwinMJ/status/951555412461047808?ref_src=twcamp^share|twsrc^m5|twgr^email|twcon^7046|twterm^1

    Let’s also add Osborne, for a cross-party bunch of democracy-denying has-beens telling us we were wrong the first time.
    Having a second referendum seems to have acquired an air of inevitability.
    That and joining the Euro.....
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 56,314
    https://twitter.com/realdonaldtrump/status/951679619341737986
  • CarlottaVanceCarlottaVance Posts: 60,422
    williamglenn said:

    https://twitter.com/realdonaldtrump/status/951679619341737986

    Grosvenor Square or Battersea.....he may have a point!
  • rkrkrkrkrkrk Posts: 8,775
    CarlottaVance said:

    Good to see Gove’s reforming zeal being applied to the Environment - and good for Mrs May to let him get stuck in. And as for those worrying about “degradation of Environmental standards” after we leave the EU - England (its devolved) is well ahead of the curve when it comes to bannng Microbeads - only the Dutch have similar legislation in the EU, while others (Ireland) are yet to legislate....

    You would have welcomed an EU Directive on it?

    Actually the Marine Strategy Framework Directive does include targets and indicators on marine litter - not that anyone really has much of an idea how to influence that...
  • CarlottaVanceCarlottaVance Posts: 60,422
    rkrkrk said:

    CarlottaVance said:

    Good to see Gove’s reforming zeal being applied to the Environment - and good for Mrs May to let him get stuck in. And as for those worrying about “degradation of Environmental standards” after we leave the EU - England (its devolved) is well ahead of the curve when it comes to bannng Microbeads - only the Dutch have similar legislation in the EU, while others (Ireland) are yet to legislate....

    You would have welcomed an EU Directive on it?
    The point is we didn’t need one to get on with it...but according to some, outside the EU environmental standards will fall.....
  • JackWJackW Posts: 14,787
    CarlottaVance said:

    williamglenn said:

    https://twitter.com/realdonaldtrump/status/951679619341737986

    Grosvenor Square or Battersea.....he may have a point!
    According to Sky News the embassy move was planned by the Bush II administration and contracts signed in October 2008, a month before Obama was first elected.
  • DecrepitJohnLDecrepitJohnL Posts: 13,300
    Beverley_C said:

    Plastic waste is a big issue so I will give Mrs May some kudos for raising the issue. However it needs more decisive action than what she is prescribing so minus points for that.

    Plastic does need more decisive action, most of it overseas where waste is dumped into rivers and thence to the sea.
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 64,186
    Toby Young answers his critics. Short version: they were talking bollocks and still are.

    https://blogs.spectator.co.uk/2018/01/toby-young-once-more-unto-the-breach/
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 52,769
    DecrepitJohnL said:

    Beverley_C said:

    Plastic waste is a big issue so I will give Mrs May some kudos for raising the issue. However it needs more decisive action than what she is prescribing so minus points for that.

    Plastic does need more decisive action, most of it overseas where waste is dumped into rivers and thence to the sea.
    Indeed, a classic case of where we need international action and standards. For example it would be better if we were pushing for tougher recycling requirements in the EU councils and commission.

  • old_labourold_labour Posts: 3,238
    edited January 2018
    In the US, local town and city councils seem to deal with the plastic stuff.
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 64,186
    swing_voter said:

    The cynic in me believes that the nearest TM came to espousing green issues was over support for rescinding fox hunting. I cannot see young voters flocking to the Conservatives over this but it is a useful distraction from what is a rather dull Cabinet. I wonder whether it is an attempt to put Gove on the spot - perhaps lining him up as a potential successor by giving his dept airtime.

    I think it shows just how much May depends on Gove for forward thinking policy.

    It's interesting how in the Evening Standard yesterday - amongst Osborne's usual wall-to-wall Brexit bashing - how we found space to dedicate his editorial to praising Gove.
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 64,186
    CarlottaVance said:

    https://twitter.com/GoodwinMJ/status/951555412461047808?ref_src=twcamp^share|twsrc^m5|twgr^email|twcon^7046|twterm^1

    They've learnt nothing and forgotten nothing.

    At the moment they'd lose because they think they've already won.
  • logical_songlogical_song Posts: 10,083
    JackW said:

    CarlottaVance said:

    williamglenn said:

    https://twitter.com/realdonaldtrump/status/951679619341737986

    Grosvenor Square or Battersea.....he may have a point!
    According to Sky News the embassy move was planned by the Bush II administration and contracts signed in October 2008, a month before Obama was first elected.
    But since that doesn't fit with Trump's current view it must obviously be fake news.
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 64,186
    On topic, the cones hotline was easily ridiculed as a gimmick. This has real long-term substance to it.

    The greater risk is that Theresa May toxifies the policy simply by announcing it herself, rather than Gove or the Conservatives.
  • CarlottaVanceCarlottaVance Posts: 60,422
    JackW said:

    CarlottaVance said:

    williamglenn said:

    https://twitter.com/realdonaldtrump/status/951679619341737986

    Grosvenor Square or Battersea.....he may have a point!
    According to Sky News the embassy move was planned by the Bush II administration and contracts signed in October 2008, a month before Obama was first elected.
    JackW said:

    CarlottaVance said:

    williamglenn said:

    https://twitter.com/realdonaldtrump/status/951679619341737986

    Grosvenor Square or Battersea.....he may have a point!
    According to Sky News the embassy move was planned by the Bush II administration and contracts signed in October 2008, a month before Obama was first elected.
    Yes it was motivated by security concerns - and while it was all well underway before Obama took office, the actual sale of Grosvenor Square happened on his watch:

    http://www.reuters.com/article/us-embassy-sale/u-s-to-sell-london-embassy-to-qatari-diar-idUSTRE5A23XA20091103

    Of course had Trump been president the price would have been HUGE.....
  • tlg86tlg86 Posts: 27,130
    Casino_Royale said:

    Toby Young answers his critics. Short version: they were talking bollocks and still are.

    https://blogs.spectator.co.uk/2018/01/toby-young-once-more-unto-the-breach/

    There's a term for this sort of thing, is there not?
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 64,186
    CarlottaVance said:

    williamglenn said:

    Sandpit said:

    CarlottaVance said:

    https://twitter.com/GoodwinMJ/status/951555412461047808?ref_src=twcamp^share|twsrc^m5|twgr^email|twcon^7046|twterm^1

    Let’s also add Osborne, for a cross-party bunch of democracy-denying has-beens telling us we were wrong the first time.
    Having a second referendum seems to have acquired an air of inevitability.
    That and joining the Euro.....
    And putting all the leading British Leavers on trial, and WilliamGlenn receiving the European Medal of Honour for his work.
  • CarlottaVanceCarlottaVance Posts: 60,422
    CarlottaVance said:

    JackW said:

    CarlottaVance said:

    williamglenn said:

    https://twitter.com/realdonaldtrump/status/951679619341737986

    Grosvenor Square or Battersea.....he may have a point!
    According to Sky News the embassy move was planned by the Bush II administration and contracts signed in October 2008, a month before Obama was first elected.
    JackW said:

    CarlottaVance said:

    williamglenn said:

    https://twitter.com/realdonaldtrump/status/951679619341737986

    Grosvenor Square or Battersea.....he may have a point!
    According to Sky News the embassy move was planned by the Bush II administration and contracts signed in October 2008, a month before Obama was first elected.
    Yes it was motivated by security concerns - and while it was all well underway before Obama took office, the actual sale of Grosvenor Square happened on his watch:

    http://www.reuters.com/article/us-embassy-sale/u-s-to-sell-london-embassy-to-qatari-diar-idUSTRE5A23XA20091103

    Of course had Trump been president the price would have been HUGE.....
    Joking apart, because there was a real estate sale involved (which no doubt Obama entirely correctly delegated) - presumably Trump thinks he could do very much better than those involved at the time.
  • CarlottaVanceCarlottaVance Posts: 60,422
    Casino_Royale said:

    CarlottaVance said:

    williamglenn said:

    Sandpit said:

    CarlottaVance said:

    https://twitter.com/GoodwinMJ/status/951555412461047808?ref_src=twcamp^share|twsrc^m5|twgr^email|twcon^7046|twterm^1

    Let’s also add Osborne, for a cross-party bunch of democracy-denying has-beens telling us we were wrong the first time.
    Having a second referendum seems to have acquired an air of inevitability.
    That and joining the Euro.....
    And putting all the leading British Leavers on trial
    Trial?

    Sentence First verdict afterwards!
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 52,769
    tlg86 said:

    Casino_Royale said:

    Toby Young answers his critics. Short version: they were talking bollocks and still are.

    https://blogs.spectator.co.uk/2018/01/toby-young-once-more-unto-the-breach/

    There's a term for this sort of thing, is there not?
    Defeat?

    Interesting to see that his fall took down Jo Johnson too. TM was clearly unimpressed, and rightly so.
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 52,769
    CarlottaVance said:

    CarlottaVance said:

    JackW said:

    CarlottaVance said:

    williamglenn said:

    https://twitter.com/realdonaldtrump/status/951679619341737986

    Grosvenor Square or Battersea.....he may have a point!
    According to Sky News the embassy move was planned by the Bush II administration and contracts signed in October 2008, a month before Obama was first elected.
    JackW said:

    CarlottaVance said:

    williamglenn said:

    https://twitter.com/realdonaldtrump/status/951679619341737986

    Grosvenor Square or Battersea.....he may have a point!
    According to Sky News the embassy move was planned by the Bush II administration and contracts signed in October 2008, a month before Obama was first elected.
    Yes it was motivated by security concerns - and while it was all well underway before Obama took office, the actual sale of Grosvenor Square happened on his watch:

    http://www.reuters.com/article/us-embassy-sale/u-s-to-sell-london-embassy-to-qatari-diar-idUSTRE5A23XA20091103

    Of course had Trump been president the price would have been HUGE.....
    Joking apart, because there was a real estate sale involved (which no doubt Obama entirely correctly delegated) - presumably Trump thinks he could do very much better than those involved at the time.
    Since 2001, I think that increasingly the US has moved its embassies to "off-site" locations, to bunker-like buildings with open areas around landscaped to prevent attacks. Understandable to a degree, but apparently often so located that government officials and diplomats are often not keen to go there.
  • old_labourold_labour Posts: 3,238
    Foxy said:

    CarlottaVance said:

    CarlottaVance said:

    JackW said:

    CarlottaVance said:

    williamglenn said:

    https://twitter.com/realdonaldtrump/status/951679619341737986

    Grosvenor Square or Battersea.....he may have a point!
    According to Sky News the embassy move was planned by the Bush II administration and contracts signed in October 2008, a month before Obama was first elected.
    JackW said:

    CarlottaVance said:

    williamglenn said:

    https://twitter.com/realdonaldtrump/status/951679619341737986

    Grosvenor Square or Battersea.....he may have a point!
    According to Sky News the embassy move was planned by the Bush II administration and contracts signed in October 2008, a month before Obama was first elected.
    Yes it was motivated by security concerns - and while it was all well underway before Obama took office, the actual sale of Grosvenor Square happened on his watch:

    http://www.reuters.com/article/us-embassy-sale/u-s-to-sell-london-embassy-to-qatari-diar-idUSTRE5A23XA20091103

    Of course had Trump been president the price would have been HUGE.....
    Joking apart, because there was a real estate sale involved (which no doubt Obama entirely correctly delegated) - presumably Trump thinks he could do very much better than those involved at the time.
    Since 2001, I think that increasingly the US has moved its embassies to "off-site" locations, to bunker-like buildings with open areas around landscaped to prevent attacks. Understandable to a degree, but apparently often so located that government officials and diplomats are often not keen to go there.
    It's within walking distance of the Vauxhall Tavern which might cheer some of them up.
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 56,237
    The new American Embassy is overlooked by Embassy tower. The Chinese have apparently bought 2 entire floors of that building. Not great for security.

  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 56,237
    The primary focus of this administration is of course the delivery of Brexit. What May wants to achieve with initiatives like this one is a message that it is not just about Brexit and that there will be things to do afterwards. I think that this policy, and the steps taken in respect of electric cars have achieved that. Interesting how prominent Gove has been in both.
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 55,752
    williamglenn said:

    Sandpit said:

    CarlottaVance said:

    https://twitter.com/GoodwinMJ/status/951555412461047808?ref_src=twcamp^share|twsrc^m5|twgr^email|twcon^7046|twterm^1

    Let’s also add Osborne, for a cross-party bunch of democracy-denying has-beens telling us we were wrong the first time.
    Having a second referendum seems to have acquired an air of inevitability.
    Nobody seems to have told Jeremy Corbyn....
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 56,237
    old_labour said:

    Foxy said:

    CarlottaVance said:

    CarlottaVance said:

    JackW said:

    CarlottaVance said:

    williamglenn said:

    https://twitter.com/realdonaldtrump/status/951679619341737986

    Grosvenor Square or Battersea.....he may have a point!
    According to Sky News the embassy move was planned by the Bush II administration and contracts signed in October 2008, a month before Obama was first elected.
    JackW said:

    CarlottaVance said:

    williamglenn said:

    https://twitter.com/realdonaldtrump/status/951679619341737986

    Grosvenor Square or Battersea.....he may have a point!
    According to Sky News the embassy move was planned by the Bush II administration and contracts signed in October 2008, a month before Obama was first elected.
    Yes it was motivated by security concerns - and while it was all well underway before Obama took office, the actual sale of Grosvenor Square happened on his watch:

    http://www.reuters.com/article/us-embassy-sale/u-s-to-sell-london-embassy-to-qatari-diar-idUSTRE5A23XA20091103

    Of course had Trump been president the price would have been HUGE.....
    Joking apart, because there was a real estate sale involved (which no doubt Obama entirely correctly delegated) - presumably Trump thinks he could do very much better than those involved at the time.
    Since 2001, I think that increasingly the US has moved its embassies to "off-site" locations, to bunker-like buildings with open areas around landscaped to prevent attacks. Understandable to a degree, but apparently often so located that government officials and diplomats are often not keen to go there.
    It's within walking distance of the Vauxhall Tavern which might cheer some of them up.
    And the Oval. Best cricket ground in London.
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 56,621
    CarlottaVance said:

    CarlottaVance said:

    JackW said:

    CarlottaVance said:

    williamglenn said:

    https://twitter.com/realdonaldtrump/status/951679619341737986

    Grosvenor Square or Battersea.....he may have a point!
    According to Sky News the embassy move was planned by the Bush II administration and contracts signed in October 2008, a month before Obama was first elected.
    JackW said:

    CarlottaVance said:

    williamglenn said:

    https://twitter.com/realdonaldtrump/status/951679619341737986

    Grosvenor Square or Battersea.....he may have a point!
    According to Sky News the embassy move was planned by the Bush II administration and contracts signed in October 2008, a month before Obama was first elected.
    Yes it was motivated by security concerns - and while it was all well underway before Obama took office, the actual sale of Grosvenor Square happened on his watch:

    http://www.reuters.com/article/us-embassy-sale/u-s-to-sell-london-embassy-to-qatari-diar-idUSTRE5A23XA20091103

    Of course had Trump been president the price would have been HUGE.....
    Joking apart, because there was a real estate sale involved (which no doubt Obama entirely correctly delegated) - presumably Trump thinks he could do very much better than those involved at the time.
    He probably thinks he could turn Grosvenor Square into an hotel and casino. Not sure many other residents of Mayfair would agree though.
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 56,621
    DavidL said:

    old_labour said:

    Foxy said:

    CarlottaVance said:

    CarlottaVance said:

    JackW said:

    CarlottaVance said:

    williamglenn said:

    https://twitter.com/realdonaldtrump/status/951679619341737986

    Grosvenor Square or Battersea.....he may have a point!
    According to Sky News the embassy move was planned by the Bush II administration and contracts signed in October 2008, a month before Obama was first elected.
    JackW said:

    CarlottaVance said:

    williamglenn said:

    https://twitter.com/realdonaldtrump/status/951679619341737986

    Grosvenor Square or Battersea.....he may have a point!
    According to Sky News the embassy move was planned by the Bush II administration and contracts signed in October 2008, a month before Obama was first elected.
    Yes it was motivated by security concerns - and while it was all well underway before Obama took office, the actual sale of Grosvenor Square happened on his watch:

    http://www.reuters.com/article/us-embassy-sale/u-s-to-sell-london-embassy-to-qatari-diar-idUSTRE5A23XA20091103

    Of course had Trump been president the price would have been HUGE.....
    Joking apart, because there was a real estate sale involved (which no doubt Obama entirely correctly delegated) - presumably Trump thinks he could do very much better than those involved at the time.
    Since 2001, I think that increasingly the US has moved its embassies to "off-site" locations, to bunker-like buildings with open areas around landscaped to prevent attacks. Understandable to a degree, but apparently often so located that government officials and diplomats are often not keen to go there.
    It's within walking distance of the Vauxhall Tavern which might cheer some of them up.
    And the Oval. Best cricket ground in London.
    Ooh, controversial. But true. And a damn sight easier to get tickets for a Test there.
  • SquareRootSquareRoot Posts: 7,095
    Sandpit said:

    DavidL said:

    old_labour said:

    Foxy said:

    CarlottaVance said:

    CarlottaVance said:

    JackW said:

    CarlottaVance said:

    williamglenn said:

    https://twitter.com/realdonaldtrump/status/951679619341737986

    Grosvenor Square or Battersea.....he may have a point!
    According to Sky News the embassy move was planned by the Bush II administration and contracts signed in October 2008, a month before Obama was first elected.
    JackW said:

    CarlottaVance said:

    williamglenn said:

    https://twitter.com/realdonaldtrump/status/951679619341737986

    Grosvenor Square or Battersea.....he may have a point!
    According to Sky News the embassy move was planned by the Bush II administration and contracts signed in October 2008, a month before Obama was first elected.
    Yes it was motivated by security concerns - and while it was all well underway before Obama took office, the actual sale of Grosvenor Square happened on his watch:

    http://www.reuters.com/article/us-embassy-sale/u-s-to-sell-london-embassy-to-qatari-diar-idUSTRE5A23XA20091103

    Of course had Trump been president the price would have been HUGE.....
    Joking apart, because there was a real estate sale involved (which no doubt Obama entirely correctly delegated) - presumably Trump thinks he could do very much better than those involved at the time.
    Since 2001, I think that increasingly the US has moved its embassies to "off-site" locations, to bunker-like buildings with open areas around landscaped to prevent attacks. Understandable to a degree, but apparently often so located that government officials and diplomats are often not keen to go there.
    It's within walking distance of the Vauxhall Tavern which might cheer some of them up.
    And the Oval. Best cricket ground in London.
    Ooh, controversial. But true. And a damn sight easier to get tickets for a Test there.
    Lords is far and away the best test ground , but the point about tickets is correct.
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 52,769
    Sandpit said:

    CarlottaVance said:

    CarlottaVance said:

    JackW said:

    CarlottaVance said:

    williamglenn said:

    https://twitter.com/realdonaldtrump/status/951679619341737986

    Grosvenor Square or Battersea.....he may have a point!
    According to Sky News the embassy move was planned by the Bush II administration and contracts signed in October 2008, a month before Obama was first elected.
    JackW said:

    CarlottaVance said:

    williamglenn said:

    https://twitter.com/realdonaldtrump/status/951679619341737986

    Grosvenor Square or Battersea.....he may have a point!
    According to Sky News the embassy move was planned by the Bush II administration and contracts signed in October 2008, a month before Obama was first elected.
    Yes it was motivated by security concerns - and while it was all well underway before Obama took office, the actual sale of Grosvenor Square happened on his watch:

    http://www.reuters.com/article/us-embassy-sale/u-s-to-sell-london-embassy-to-qatari-diar-idUSTRE5A23XA20091103

    Of course had Trump been president the price would have been HUGE.....
    Joking apart, because there was a real estate sale involved (which no doubt Obama entirely correctly delegated) - presumably Trump thinks he could do very much better than those involved at the time.
    He probably thinks he could turn Grosvenor Square into an hotel and casino. Not sure many other residents of Mayfair would agree though.
    The current Grovesnor Square building was sold to the Qataries who are redeveloping it as a hotel. It is a good location for one, but grade 2 listed apparently.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 80,686
    Casino_Royale said:

    On topic, the cones hotline was easily ridiculed as a gimmick. This has real long-term substance to it.

    The greater risk is that Theresa May toxifies the policy simply by announcing it herself, rather than Gove or the Conservatives.

    At the moment it is a gimmick, consisting largely of vague aspirations (and Mrs May talking about owl and bat boxes in her garden....

    A policy which might be effective would be a tax on plastic packing that is not easily recyclable (i.e. most current supermarket packaging) or biodegradeable, with a lead in period of two or three years.
    Give councils far greater financial incentives to increase the percentage of waste recycled, and let the market do the rest.
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 56,237
    SquareRoot said:

    Sandpit said:

    DavidL said:

    old_labour said:

    Foxy said:

    CarlottaVance said:

    CarlottaVance said:

    JackW said:

    CarlottaVance said:

    williamglenn said:

    https://twitter.com/realdonaldtrump/status/951679619341737986

    Grosvenor Square or Battersea.....he may have a point!
    According to Sky News the embassy move was planned by the Bush II administration and contracts signed in October 2008, a month before Obama was first elected.
    JackW said:

    CarlottaVance said:

    williamglenn said:

    https://twitter.com/realdonaldtrump/status/951679619341737986

    Grosvenor Square or Battersea.....he may have a point!
    According to Sky News the embassy move was planned by the Bush II administration and contracts signed in October 2008, a month before Obama was first elected.
    Yes it was motivated by security concerns - and while it was all well underway before Obama took office, the actual sale of Grosvenor Square happened on his watch:

    http://www.reuters.com/article/us-embassy-sale/u-s-to-sell-london-embassy-to-qatari-diar-idUSTRE5A23XA20091103

    Of course had Trump been president the price would have been HUGE.....
    Joking apart, because there was a real estate sale involved (which no doubt Obama entirely correctly delegated) - presumably Trump thinks he could do very much better than those involved at the time.
    Since 2001, I think that increasingly the US has moved its embassies to "off-site" locations, to bunker-like buildings with open areas around landscaped to prevent attacks. Understandable to a degree, but apparently often so located that government officials and diplomats are often not keen to go there.
    It's within walking distance of the Vauxhall Tavern which might cheer some of them up.
    And the Oval. Best cricket ground in London.
    Ooh, controversial. But true. And a damn sight easier to get tickets for a Test there.
    Lords is far and away the best test ground , but the point about tickets is correct.
    It really isn’t. It has poor facilities, especially toilets, and far too many parts of the ground where the view is restricted. The main stand is good but pretty much everywhere else isn’t. The Oval doesn’t have a bad seat, it has far better facilities for food and drink and it’s a lot easier to get in and out of.

    Lords of course has the history and the tradition but it doesn’t have much else going for it.
  • david_kendrick1david_kendrick1 Posts: 325
    Of course there should be another referendum. Every generation should be entitled to its opinion on the biggest constitutional issue of the day. A generation is 25 years.

    We should pencil in the next one for 2041, and the one after that for 2066.
  • SouthamObserverSouthamObserver Posts: 40,054
    swing_voter said:

    The cynic in me believes that the nearest TM came to espousing green issues was over support for rescinding fox hunting. I cannot see young voters flocking to the Conservatives over this but it is a useful distraction from what is a rather dull Cabinet. I wonder whether it is an attempt to put Gove on the spot - perhaps lining him up as a potential successor by giving his dept airtime.

    Mrs May’s sudden conversion to the environment and about turn on fox hunting have focus group and internal polling written all over them. I doubt it will make much difference to anything vote-wise. There is an srgument that hunting actually helps to conserve the countryside.

  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 56,237
    david_kendrick1 said:

    Of course there should be another referendum. Every generation should be entitled to its opinion on the biggest constitutional issue of the day. A generation is 25 years.

    We should pencil in the next one for 2041, and the one after that for 2066.

    Be careful about generations. In Scotland it seemed to amount to about 3 years.
  • numbertwelvenumbertwelve Posts: 7,846
    On topic, the amount of plastic waste generated by supermarkets is obscene. The big shift has been away from selling fruit and veg by weight (where the shopper bags up what they want) to these little pre-packaged amounts. I imagine this has been done to save time so it doesn’t have to be weighed at the till. Moving back to that system with brown paper bags would be a start, but it actually requires some thought from the shopper which supermarkets seem keen to avoid.
  • OldKingColeOldKingCole Posts: 35,583
    DavidL said:

    SquareRoot said:

    Sandpit said:

    DavidL said:

    old_labour said:

    Foxy said:

    CarlottaVance said:

    CarlottaVance said:

    JackW said:

    CarlottaVance said:

    williamglenn said:

    https://twitter.com/realdonaldtrump/status/951679619341737986

    Grosvenor Square or Battersea.....he may have a point!
    According to Sky News the embassy move was planned by the Bush II administration and contracts signed in October 2008, a month before Obama was first elected.
    JackW said:

    CarlottaVance said:

    williamglenn said:

    https://twitter.com/realdonaldtrump/status/951679619341737986

    Grosvenor Square or Battersea.....he may have a point!
    According to Sky News the embassy move was planned by the Bush II administration and contracts signed in October 2008, a month before Obama was first elected.
    http://www.reuters.com/article/us-embassy-sale/u-s-to-sell-london-embassy-to-qatari-diar-idUSTRE5A23XA20091103

    Of course had Trump been president the price would have been HUGE.....
    Joking apart, because there was a real estate sale involved (which no doubt Obama entirely correctly delegated) - presumably Trump thinks he could do very much better than those involved at the time.
    Since 2001, I think that increasingly the US has moved its embassies to "off-site" locations, to bunker-like buildings with open areas around landscaped to prevent attacks. Understandable to a degree, but apparently often so located that government officials and diplomats are often not keen to go there.
    It's within walking distance of the Vauxhall Tavern which might cheer some of them up.
    And the Oval. Best cricket ground in London.
    Ooh, controversial. But true. And a damn sight easier to get tickets for a Test there.
    Lords is far and away the best test ground , but the point about tickets is correct.
    It really isn’t. It has poor facilities, especially toilets, and far too many parts of the ground where the view is restricted. The main stand is good but pretty much everywhere else isn’t. The Oval doesn’t have a bad seat, it has far better facilities for food and drink and it’s a lot easier to get in and out of.

    Lords of course has the history and the tradition but it doesn’t have much else going for it.
    Seem to recall Trent Bridge being easy to get to. Durham of coure has a big car park, IIRC.
  • SouthamObserverSouthamObserver Posts: 40,054
    numbertwelve said:

    On topic, the amount of plastic waste generated by supermarkets is obscene. The big shift has been away from selling fruit and veg by weight (where the shopper bags up what they want) to these little pre-packaged amounts. I imagine this has been done to save time so it doesn’t have to be weighed at the till. Moving back to that system with brown paper bags would be a start, but it actually requires some thought from the shopper which supermarkets seem keen to avoid.

    In French and Spanish supermarkets I’ve been to you weigh your fruit & veg, put the sticker on the bag and put it through check out as normal. Seems to work fine.

  • SouthamObserverSouthamObserver Posts: 40,054
    If this is right Trump’s even wronger than we thought:
    https://twitter.com/ned_donovan/status/951722752771350528
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 56,237
    SouthamObserver said:

    swing_voter said:

    The cynic in me believes that the nearest TM came to espousing green issues was over support for rescinding fox hunting. I cannot see young voters flocking to the Conservatives over this but it is a useful distraction from what is a rather dull Cabinet. I wonder whether it is an attempt to put Gove on the spot - perhaps lining him up as a potential successor by giving his dept airtime.

    Mrs May’s sudden conversion to the environment and about turn on fox hunting have focus group and internal polling written all over them. I doubt it will make much difference to anything vote-wise. There is an srgument that hunting actually helps to conserve the countryside.

    There is an argument that fox hunting plays into the arrogant, cruel, toff perception of Tories like nothing else which is why Cameron was smart enough not to push it. What the reality is for the vast majority of us who live in urban areas is neither here nor there. My daughter was disgusted that repeal of the fox hunting ban was in the manifesto and refused to vote Tory as a result. These policies are designed to reconnect with the young. Whether they are enough remains to be seen.
  • SouthamObserverSouthamObserver Posts: 40,054
    https://twitter.com/ned_donovan/status/951724295377518592
  • SouthamObserverSouthamObserver Posts: 40,054
    edited January 2018
    DavidL said:

    SouthamObserver said:

    swing_voter said:

    The cynic in me believes that the nearest TM came to espousing green issues was over support for rescinding fox hunting. I cannot see young voters flocking to the Conservatives over this but it is a useful distraction from what is a rather dull Cabinet. I wonder whether it is an attempt to put Gove on the spot - perhaps lining him up as a potential successor by giving his dept airtime.

    Mrs May’s sudden conversion to the environment and about turn on fox hunting have focus group and internal polling written all over them. I doubt it will make much difference to anything vote-wise. There is an srgument that hunting actually helps to conserve the countryside.

    There is an argument that fox hunting plays into the arrogant, cruel, toff perception of Tories like nothing else which is why Cameron was smart enough not to push it. What the reality is for the vast majority of us who live in urban areas is neither here nor there. My daughter was disgusted that repeal of the fox hunting ban was in the manifesto and refused to vote Tory as a result. These policies are designed to reconnect with the young. Whether they are enough remains to be seen.

    That was precisely my point - it’s all about the politics. So is likely to be dumped or compromised when no longer deemed useful.

  • Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 62,866
    Good morning, everyone.

    Good point on Gove.
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 56,237
    SouthamObserver said:

    https://twitter.com/ned_donovan/status/951724295377518592

    I wonder which states they wanted back.
  • DecrepitJohnLDecrepitJohnL Posts: 13,300
    numbertwelve said:

    On topic, the amount of plastic waste generated by supermarkets is obscene. The big shift has been away from selling fruit and veg by weight (where the shopper bags up what they want) to these little pre-packaged amounts. I imagine this has been done to save time so it doesn’t have to be weighed at the till. Moving back to that system with brown paper bags would be a start, but it actually requires some thought from the shopper which supermarkets seem keen to avoid.

    It also requires confidence that the shopper in front has washed his hands within living memory and did not sneeze over the produce, which is why I do not buy unwrapped rolls, for instance.

    Supermarkets are neither here nor there. Last year it was reported that 90 per cent of ocean waste comes from just 10 rivers -- 8 in Asia, 2 in Africa, and none near Tesco.
    https://news.sky.com/story/just-10-rivers-carry-90-of-plastic-polluting-the-oceans-11167581
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 56,237
    DecrepitJohnL said:

    numbertwelve said:

    On topic, the amount of plastic waste generated by supermarkets is obscene. The big shift has been away from selling fruit and veg by weight (where the shopper bags up what they want) to these little pre-packaged amounts. I imagine this has been done to save time so it doesn’t have to be weighed at the till. Moving back to that system with brown paper bags would be a start, but it actually requires some thought from the shopper which supermarkets seem keen to avoid.

    It also requires confidence that the shopper in front has washed his hands within living memory and did not sneeze over the produce, which is why I do not buy unwrapped rolls, for instance.

    Supermarkets are neither here nor there. Last year it was reported that 90 per cent of ocean waste comes from just 10 rivers -- 8 in Asia, 2 in Africa, and none near Tesco.
    https://news.sky.com/story/just-10-rivers-carry-90-of-plastic-polluting-the-oceans-11167581
    You are completely ignoring the point of gesturism. See global warming initiatives. We all have to do our part, even if it makes no difference.
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 67,585
    Morning Leavers...

    https://twitter.com/JohnRentoul/status/951728299826401280
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 80,686
    numbertwelve said:

    On topic, the amount of plastic waste generated by supermarkets is obscene. The big shift has been away from selling fruit and veg by weight (where the shopper bags up what they want) to these little pre-packaged amounts. I imagine this has been done to save time so it doesn’t have to be weighed at the till. Moving back to that system with brown paper bags would be a start, but it actually requires some thought from the shopper which supermarkets seem keen to avoid.

    No, it has far more to do with the longer shelf life of packaged products.
    The better solution, for both producers and consumers, would be to incentivise easily recyclable or biodegradeable (they do exist) plastics.
  • Pro_RataPro_Rata Posts: 5,721
    SouthamObserver said:

    If this is right Trump’s even wronger than we thought:
    https://twitter.com/ned_donovan/status/951722752771350528

    Waitrose essentials range, surely.
  • Blue_rogBlue_rog Posts: 2,019
    All this talk of plastic pollution raises a wry smile in me. I started work for a subsidary of the Dow Chemical Company in 1983 and attended a week long induction course. During this, we were given presentations from senior managers from the various departments, one of which was polymers.

    The presentor was a bit taken aback when the whole group rounded on him about plastic pollution. His only response was that plastics are inert. We said that's the point, they don't break down!
  • TGOHFTGOHF Posts: 21,633
    Eliminating plastics is just the sort of policy the Lib Dem’s would have been all over back when they were relevant.

    Now TMay takes it on with gusto (due to Gove), there is all sorts of sulking and pouting - let’s hope these sour grapes aren’t wrapped in plastic.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 129,943
    Foxy said:

    Sandpit said:

    CarlottaVance said:

    CarlottaVance said:

    JackW said:

    CarlottaVance said:

    williamglenn said:

    https://twitter.com/realdonaldtrump/status/951679619341737986

    Grosvenor Square or Battersea.....he may have a point!
    According to Sky News the embassy move was planned by the Bush II administration and contracts signed in October 2008, a month before Obama was first elected.
    JackW said:

    CarlottaVance said:

    williamglenn said:

    https://twitter.com/realdonaldtrump/status/951679619341737986

    Grosvenor Square or Battersea.....he may have a point!
    According to Sky News the embassy move was planned by the Bush II administration and contracts signed in October 2008, a month before Obama was first elected.
    Yes it was motivated by security concerns - and while it was all well underway before Obama took office, the actual sale of Grosvenor Square happened on his watch:

    http://www.reuters.com/article/us-embassy-sale/u-s-to-sell-london-embassy-to-qatari-diar-idUSTRE5A23XA20091103

    Of course had Trump been president the price would have been HUGE.....
    Joking apart, because there was a real estate sale involved (which no doubt Obama entirely correctly delegated) - presumably Trump thinks he could do very much better than those involved at the time.
    He probably thinks he could turn Grosvenor Square into an hotel and casino. Not sure many other residents of Mayfair would agree though.
    The current Grovesnor Square building was sold to the Qataries who are redeveloping it as a hotel. It is a good location for one, but grade 2 listed apparently.
    It was also one of the key locations in The Omen
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 129,943
    edited January 2018
    rottenborough said:

    Morning Leavers...

    https://twitter.com/JohnRentoul/status/951728299826401280

    A 2nd referendum producing a narrow Remain win would not kill Brexit, Farage and UKIP would start campaigning for a third referendum the very next day
  • hunchmanhunchman Posts: 2,591
    I'm highly delighted that chris Williamson resigned. Some of us know the inside story on exactly why he had to resign. ..........
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 67,585
    HYUFD said:

    rottenborough said:

    Morning Leavers...

    https://twitter.com/JohnRentoul/status/951728299826401280

    A 2nd referendum producing a narrow Remain win would not kill Brexit, Farage and UKIP would start campaigning for a third referendum the very next day
    Indeed. Perhaps that is what he wants?
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 67,585
    How much has Trump's cancellation just saved the Met in policing costs?

    Marvellous news.
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 67,585
    hunchman said:

    I'm highly delighted that chris Williamson resigned. Some of us know the inside story on exactly why he had to resign. ..........

    Oh, the intrigue! A job for Tim Shipman on Sunday?
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 129,943
    edited January 2018
    Jeb Bush and Marco Rubio attack Trump's new statement on immigration from 'shithole' countries

    https://mobile.twitter.com/JebBush/status/951619449395843072

    https://mobile.twitter.com/marcorubio/status/951649360944676865
  • Richard_TyndallRichard_Tyndall Posts: 33,577
    DavidL said:

    SouthamObserver said:

    https://twitter.com/ned_donovan/status/951724295377518592

    I wonder which states they wanted back.
    All of them?
  • Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 66,595
    HYUFD said:

    Jeb Bush and Marco Rubio attack Trump's new statement on immigration from 'shithole' countries

    https://mobile.twitter.com/JebBush/status/951619449395843072

    His statement was disgusting and he is a disaster.
  • Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 62,866
    F1: Alonso's out to 18 on Betfair Exchange for the 2018 title. It's only straight win, but might be worth a small flutter. (I much prefer the each way for top 3 approach personally).
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 129,943
    rottenborough said:

    HYUFD said:

    rottenborough said:

    Morning Leavers...

    https://twitter.com/JohnRentoul/status/951728299826401280

    A 2nd referendum producing a narrow Remain win would not kill Brexit, Farage and UKIP would start campaigning for a third referendum the very next day
    Indeed. Perhaps that is what he wants?
    Well it would be the quickest way to revive UKIP and his political career
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 52,769
    TGOHF said:

    Eliminating plastics is just the sort of policy the Lib Dem’s would have been all over back when they were relevant.

    Now TMay takes it on with gusto (due to Gove), there is all sorts of sulking and pouting - let’s hope these sour grapes aren’t wrapped in plastic.

    I would entirely agree. The problem of being led by Cable and known only as the anti-Brexit party has been the lack of imputus in a wider range of policy ideas.

    Norman Lamb would have been far better. He has a more nuanced approach to Brexit and has a host of worthwhile policies to greatly improve the country, particularly on health, mental health, young people, social care and housing. He didnt stand as he felt that his acceptance of Brexit (and desire for Norway style Brexit) put him at odds with LD policy and the newly expanded membership. I understand his reasoning, but the party would have benefited from a contest with that voice heard.

    We shall see if May is serious about plastic with what she does. She may just be having a phase post Blue Planet. Will she favour plastics regulation even if it becomes a significant obstacles to a trade deal with Trump? that is when we find out if she is a hollow vessel.
  • BromBrom Posts: 3,760
    Casino_Royale said:

    CarlottaVance said:

    https://twitter.com/GoodwinMJ/status/951555412461047808?ref_src=twcamp^share|twsrc^m5|twgr^email|twcon^7046|twterm^1

    They've learnt nothing and forgotten nothing.

    At the moment they'd lose because they think they've already won.
    I struggle to think of anyone who could lead a successful remain campaign. Give Will Straw another go!
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 52,769
    Nigelb said:

    numbertwelve said:

    On topic, the amount of plastic waste generated by supermarkets is obscene. The big shift has been away from selling fruit and veg by weight (where the shopper bags up what they want) to these little pre-packaged amounts. I imagine this has been done to save time so it doesn’t have to be weighed at the till. Moving back to that system with brown paper bags would be a start, but it actually requires some thought from the shopper which supermarkets seem keen to avoid.

    No, it has far more to do with the longer shelf life of packaged products.
    The better solution, for both producers and consumers, would be to incentivise easily recyclable or biodegradeable (they do exist) plastics.
    Biodegradable plastics, made from starch for example, do allow composting, so may be a way forward.

    May could usefully start with NHS procurement. We use a tremendous number of single use packs, containing a lot of plastics. Specifications to encourage reuse and recycling would be welcome. It may cost more, so would need funding, and that is where May is likely to founder. Will she put her money where her mouth is?
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 55,752
    Brom said:

    Casino_Royale said:

    CarlottaVance said:

    https://twitter.com/GoodwinMJ/status/951555412461047808?ref_src=twcamp^share|twsrc^m5|twgr^email|twcon^7046|twterm^1

    They've learnt nothing and forgotten nothing.

    At the moment they'd lose because they think they've already won.
    I struggle to think of anyone who could lead a successful remain campaign. Give Will Straw another go!
    Eddie Izzard.

  • Sean_FSean_F Posts: 39,451
    MarqueeMark said:

    Brom said:

    Casino_Royale said:

    CarlottaVance said:

    https://twitter.com/GoodwinMJ/status/951555412461047808?ref_src=twcamp^share|twsrc^m5|twgr^email|twcon^7046|twterm^1

    They've learnt nothing and forgotten nothing.

    At the moment they'd lose because they think they've already won.
    I struggle to think of anyone who could lead a successful remain campaign. Give Will Straw another go!
    Eddie Izzard.

    Bob Geldof, or Peter Stringfellow.
  • DecrepitJohnLDecrepitJohnL Posts: 13,300
    HYUFD said:

    Foxy said:

    Sandpit said:

    CarlottaVance said:

    CarlottaVance said:

    JackW said:

    CarlottaVance said:

    williamglenn said:

    https://twitter.com/realdonaldtrump/status/951679619341737986

    Grosvenor Square or Battersea.....he may have a point!
    According to Sky News the embassy move was planned by the Bush II administration and contracts signed in October 2008, a month before Obama was first elected.
    JackW said:

    CarlottaVance said:

    williamglenn said:

    https://twitter.com/realdonaldtrump/status/951679619341737986

    Grosvenor Square or Battersea.....he may have a point!
    According to Sky News the embassy move was planned by the Bush II administration and contracts signed in October 2008, a month before Obama was first elected.
    Yes it was motivated by security concerns - and while it was all well underway before Obama took office, the actual sale of Grosvenor Square happened on his watch:

    http://www.reuters.com/article/us-embassy-sale/u-s-to-sell-london-embassy-to-qatari-diar-idUSTRE5A23XA20091103

    Of course had Trump been president the price would have been HUGE.....
    Joking apart, because there was a real estate sale involved (which no doubt Obama entirely correctly delegated) - presumably Trump thinks he could do very much better than those involved at the time.
    He probably thinks he could turn Grosvenor Square into an hotel and casino. Not sure many other residents of Mayfair would agree though.
    The current Grovesnor Square building was sold to the Qataries who are redeveloping it as a hotel. It is a good location for one, but grade 2 listed apparently.
    It was also one of the key locations in The Omen
    The Omen is another fine Christmas film.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5PrcnTUDRvI
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 67,585
    Brom said:

    Casino_Royale said:

    CarlottaVance said:

    https://twitter.com/GoodwinMJ/status/951555412461047808?ref_src=twcamp^share|twsrc^m5|twgr^email|twcon^7046|twterm^1

    They've learnt nothing and forgotten nothing.

    At the moment they'd lose because they think they've already won.
    I struggle to think of anyone who could lead a successful remain campaign. Give Will Straw another go!
    Oprah?
  • Sean_FSean_F Posts: 39,451
    Big_G_NorthWales said:

    HYUFD said:

    Jeb Bush and Marco Rubio attack Trump's new statement on immigration from 'shithole' countries

    https://mobile.twitter.com/JebBush/status/951619449395843072

    His statement was disgusting and he is a disaster.
    Sounds like the sort of thing Alan Clark would have said.
  • Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 66,595
    Foxy said:

    TGOHF said:

    Eliminating plastics is just the sort of policy the Lib Dem’s would have been all over back when they were relevant.

    Now TMay takes it on with gusto (due to Gove), there is all sorts of sulking and pouting - let’s hope these sour grapes aren’t wrapped in plastic.

    I would entirely agree. The problem of being led by Cable and known only as the anti-Brexit party has been the lack of imputus in a wider range of policy ideas.

    Norman Lamb would have been far better. He has a more nuanced approach to Brexit and has a host of worthwhile policies to greatly improve the country, particularly on health, mental health, young people, social care and housing. He didnt stand as he felt that his acceptance of Brexit (and desire for Norway style Brexit) put him at odds with LD policy and the newly expanded membership. I understand his reasoning, but the party would have benefited from a contest with that voice heard.

    We shall see if May is serious about plastic with what she does. She may just be having a phase post Blue Planet. Will she favour plastics regulation even if it becomes a significant obstacles to a trade deal with Trump? that is when we find out if she is a hollow vessel.
    Theresa May has identified a rich seem of disgust at plastic pollution and it is amazing that neither labour or especially the Lib Dems have not been first to address the issue

    All my family and relatives are united in their opposition to all plastic waste and have been delighted that this is now on the agenda at the highest level of government.

    I highlighted yesterday how Wales is second in Europe and third in the World for recycling rates and our Council is considering 4 weekly bin collections due to the way plastic, glass, cardboard and food are recycled through our trolley blocks weekly

    I also reiterated the call for the abolition of all non recyclable plastic bottles, coffee cups, takeaway containers, plastic forks and single use straws. I was attacked for suggesting single use straws need to go but they are killing sea life and especially turtles who are dying in agony. The idea this is for the Far East is naive to the extreme. Plastic is carried round the world on currents.

    It also seems that those of us who live by the sea, coast or rivers are more aware as we see the pollution on our own beaches every day and the amount of plastic waste washed up on our beaches in the recent storm was not only disgusting but totally unacceptable.

    Thinks have to change
  • AlastairMeeksAlastairMeeks Posts: 30,340
    The cones hotline was far more important than Mrs May's war on plastic. It signified a successful assault on the culture of the public sector, turning subjects into consumers of public services.

    The war on plastic also requires a change in public behaviours. It won't be long before the knuckle-dragging right are demanding the unfettered right to dispose of their detritus in whatever way they think fit.
  • AlastairMeeksAlastairMeeks Posts: 30,340
    Big_G_NorthWales said:

    HYUFD said:

    Jeb Bush and Marco Rubio attack Trump's new statement on immigration from 'shithole' countries

    https://mobile.twitter.com/JebBush/status/951619449395843072

    His statement was disgusting and he is a disaster.
    I expect that British public opinion would agree with Donald Trump. Similar sentiments won the EU referendum for Leave.
  • Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 66,595
    Foxy said:

    Nigelb said:

    numbertwelve said:

    On topic, the amount of plastic waste generated by supermarkets is obscene. The big shift has been away from selling fruit and veg by weight (where the shopper bags up what they want) to these little pre-packaged amounts. I imagine this has been done to save time so it doesn’t have to be weighed at the till. Moving back to that system with brown paper bags would be a start, but it actually requires some thought from the shopper which supermarkets seem keen to avoid.

    No, it has far more to do with the longer shelf life of packaged products.
    The better solution, for both producers and consumers, would be to incentivise easily recyclable or biodegradeable (they do exist) plastics.
    Biodegradable plastics, made from starch for example, do allow composting, so may be a way forward.

    May could usefully start with NHS procurement. We use a tremendous number of single use packs, containing a lot of plastics. Specifications to encourage reuse and recycling would be welcome. It may cost more, so would need funding, and that is where May is likely to founder. Will she put her money where her mouth is?
    She commented yesterday that all the public sector will be required to stop the use of non degradable plastic and as far as cost is concerned it will by taxing their use out of existence as per plastic bags
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 55,752
    HYUFD said:

    Foxy said:

    Sandpit said:

    CarlottaVance said:

    CarlottaVance said:

    JackW said:

    CarlottaVance said:

    williamglenn said:

    https://twitter.com/realdonaldtrump/status/951679619341737986

    Grosvenor Square or Battersea.....he may have a point!
    According to Sky News the embassy move was planned by the Bush II administration and contracts signed in October 2008, a month before Obama was first elected.
    JackW said:

    CarlottaVance said:

    williamglenn said:

    https://twitter.com/realdonaldtrump/status/951679619341737986

    Grosvenor Square or Battersea.....he may have a point!
    According to Sky News the embassy move was planned by the Bush II administration and contracts signed in October 2008, a month before Obama was first elected.
    Yes it was motivated by security concerns - and while it was all well underway before Obama took office, the actual sale of Grosvenor Square happened on his watch:

    http://www.reuters.com/article/us-embassy-sale/u-s-to-sell-london-embassy-to-qatari-diar-idUSTRE5A23XA20091103

    Of course had Trump been president the price would have been HUGE.....
    Joking apart, because there was a real estate sale involved (which no doubt Obama entirely correctly delegated) - presumably Trump thinks he could do very much better than those involved at the time.
    He probably thinks he could turn Grosvenor Square into an hotel and casino. Not sure many other residents of Mayfair would agree though.
    The current Grovesnor Square building was sold to the Qataries who are redeveloping it as a hotel. It is a good location for one, but grade 2 listed apparently.
    It was also one of the key locations in The Omen
    More Omen location stuff than you could ever need:

    http://www.movie-locations.com/movies/o/omen.html#.Wlh5lKhl9PY
  • Scott_PScott_P Posts: 51,453
    TGOHF said:

    Eliminating plastics is just the sort of policy the Lib Dem’s would have been all over back when they were relevant.

    Now TMay takes it on with gusto (due to Gove), there is all sorts of sulking and pouting - let’s hope these sour grapes aren’t wrapped in plastic.

    image
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 55,752
    Has the UK been relegated to "shithole" status yet? Surely we can only be a few tweets away.....
  • Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 66,595
    AlastairMeeks said:

    Big_G_NorthWales said:

    HYUFD said:

    Jeb Bush and Marco Rubio attack Trump's new statement on immigration from 'shithole' countries

    https://mobile.twitter.com/JebBush/status/951619449395843072

    His statement was disgusting and he is a disaster.
    I expect that British public opinion would agree with Donald Trump. Similar sentiments won the EU referendum for Leave.
    You have a very unfair and with respect a very prejeudiced attitude to the great British public
  • GadflyGadfly Posts: 1,205
    DavidL said:

    SouthamObserver said:

    https://twitter.com/ned_donovan/status/951724295377518592

    I wonder which states they wanted back.
    Apparently Florida once belonged to the Westminster family.
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 52,769
    AlastairMeeks said:

    Big_G_NorthWales said:

    HYUFD said:

    Jeb Bush and Marco Rubio attack Trump's new statement on immigration from 'shithole' countries

    https://mobile.twitter.com/JebBush/status/951619449395843072

    His statement was disgusting and he is a disaster.
    I expect that British public opinion would agree with Donald Trump. Similar sentiments won the EU referendum for Leave.
    While I deplore his language, Trump does have a point. Immigration policy should favour peoples who have a history, culture and education that favours successful social integration.
  • AlastairMeeksAlastairMeeks Posts: 30,340
    Big_G_NorthWales said:

    AlastairMeeks said:

    Big_G_NorthWales said:

    HYUFD said:

    Jeb Bush and Marco Rubio attack Trump's new statement on immigration from 'shithole' countries

    https://mobile.twitter.com/JebBush/status/951619449395843072

    His statement was disgusting and he is a disaster.
    I expect that British public opinion would agree with Donald Trump. Similar sentiments won the EU referendum for Leave.
    You have a very unfair and with respect a very prejeudiced attitude to the great British public
    What do you think the "Turkey (population 76 million)" poster was about?
  • TGOHFTGOHF Posts: 21,633
    Scott_P said:

    TGOHF said:

    Eliminating plastics is just the sort of policy the Lib Dem’s would have been all over back when they were relevant.

    Now TMay takes it on with gusto (due to Gove), there is all sorts of sulking and pouting - let’s hope these sour grapes aren’t wrapped in plastic.

    image
    Not true though is it - Gove the most radical and effective Tory since Fatcha.

    And still in the game - unlike some of his flouncier former colleagues.
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 52,769
    Big_G_NorthWales said:

    Foxy said:

    Nigelb said:

    numbertwelve said:

    On topic, the amount of plastic waste generated by supermarkets is obscene. The big shift has been away from selling fruit and veg by weight (where the shopper bags up what they want) to these little pre-packaged amounts. I imagine this has been done to save time so it doesn’t have to be weighed at the till. Moving back to that system with brown paper bags would be a start, but it actually requires some thought from the shopper which supermarkets seem keen to avoid.

    No, it has far more to do with the longer shelf life of packaged products.
    The better solution, for both producers and consumers, would be to incentivise easily recyclable or biodegradeable (they do exist) plastics.
    Biodegradable plastics, made from starch for example, do allow composting, so may be a way forward.

    May could usefully start with NHS procurement. We use a tremendous number of single use packs, containing a lot of plastics. Specifications to encourage reuse and recycling would be welcome. It may cost more, so would need funding, and that is where May is likely to founder. Will she put her money where her mouth is?
    She commented yesterday that all the public sector will be required to stop the use of non degradable plastic and as far as cost is concerned it will by taxing their use out of existence as per plastic bags
    Has she taken into account the cost implications (infection control too, obviously)?
  • tlg86tlg86 Posts: 27,130
    MarqueeMark said:

    HYUFD said:

    Foxy said:

    Sandpit said:

    CarlottaVance said:

    CarlottaVance said:

    JackW said:

    CarlottaVance said:

    williamglenn said:

    https://twitter.com/realdonaldtrump/status/951679619341737986

    Grosvenor Square or Battersea.....he may have a point!
    According to Sky News the embassy move was planned by the Bush II administration and contracts signed in October 2008, a month before Obama was first elected.
    JackW said:

    CarlottaVance said:

    williamglenn said:

    https://twitter.com/realdonaldtrump/status/951679619341737986

    Grosvenor Square or Battersea.....he may have a point!
    According to Sky News the embassy move was planned by the Bush II administration and contracts signed in October 2008, a month before Obama was first elected.
    Yes it was motivated by security concerns - and while it was all well underway before Obama took office, the actual sale of Grosvenor Square happened on his watch:

    http://www.reuters.com/article/us-embassy-sale/u-s-to-sell-london-embassy-to-qatari-diar-idUSTRE5A23XA20091103

    Of course had Trump been president the price would have been HUGE.....
    Joking apart, because there was a real estate sale involved (which no doubt Obama entirely correctly delegated) - presumably Trump thinks he could do very much better than those involved at the time.
    He probably thinks he could turn Grosvenor Square into an hotel and casino. Not sure many other residents of Mayfair would agree though.
    The current Grovesnor Square building was sold to the Qataries who are redeveloping it as a hotel. It is a good location for one, but grade 2 listed apparently.
    It was also one of the key locations in The Omen
    More Omen location stuff than you could ever need:

    http://www.movie-locations.com/movies/o/omen.html#.Wlh5lKhl9PY
    I knew Guildford Cathedral was in it, but never knew that Brookwood Cemetery featured too.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 129,943
    Richard_Tyndall said:

    DavidL said:

    SouthamObserver said:

    https://twitter.com/ned_donovan/status/951724295377518592

    I wonder which states they wanted back.
    All of them?
    New York and Maine

    http://londinoupolis.blogspot.co.uk/2013/01/why-americans-dont-own-their-london.html?m=1
  • Sean_FSean_F Posts: 39,451
    Big_G_NorthWales said:

    AlastairMeeks said:

    Big_G_NorthWales said:

    HYUFD said:

    Jeb Bush and Marco Rubio attack Trump's new statement on immigration from 'shithole' countries

    https://mobile.twitter.com/JebBush/status/951619449395843072

    His statement was disgusting and he is a disaster.
    I expect that British public opinion would agree with Donald Trump. Similar sentiments won the EU referendum for Leave.
    You have a very unfair and with respect a very prejeudiced attitude to the great British public
    I think that most people would be less than complimentary about the kind of places Trump was talking about, although a Head of State should use more diplomatic language.
  • TGOHFTGOHF Posts: 21,633
    AlastairMeeks said:

    Big_G_NorthWales said:

    AlastairMeeks said:

    Big_G_NorthWales said:

    HYUFD said:

    Jeb Bush and Marco Rubio attack Trump's new statement on immigration from 'shithole' countries

    https://mobile.twitter.com/JebBush/status/951619449395843072

    His statement was disgusting and he is a disaster.
    I expect that British public opinion would agree with Donald Trump. Similar sentiments won the EU referendum for Leave.
    You have a very unfair and with respect a very prejeudiced attitude to the great British public
    What do you think the "Turkey (population 76 million)" poster was about?
    Anyone got a hankie ?
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