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We won't be properly out until after the transitional period ends.williamglenn said:
So in your book Brexit doesn't happen on March 29th 2019 but when the transition ends?FrancisUrquhart said:
Guardian super spin alert....Gove says AFTER Brexit....Diplomat says during transition....Isn't the whole point of a 2 year transition not exactly as suggested will happen...TheScreamingEagles said:EU to hold Britain to fishing quotas during Brexit transition
Exclusive: EU’s plan means UK would essentially be leaving common fisheries policy in name only after Brexit
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2018/jan/11/eu-to-hold-britain-to-fishing-quotas-during-brexit-transition?CMP=Share_iOSApp_Other0 -
Unhindered? Isn't the implication that he he wants them to go to hell?brendan16 said:
Seems the Lib Dems would rather have a liar as leader than a supposed 'homophobe' who doesn't oppose gay marriage or gay rights, or wants to jail gay people but has some moral issues with homosexuality because of his religion.TheScreamingEagles said:
Genius.Tissue_Price said:@TheScreamingEagles - not as good as this one
https://twitter.com/aljwhite/status/951374599073206272
Poor Tim Farron, being a Liberal Democrat opposed to gay sex is a bit like being a Savage Garden fan turning up to a Sound Garden gig by mistake.
What exactly is the purpose of the word Liberal in the Lib Dems - I know they have dropped the pretence on democracy re Brexit but Farron is surely bring a true liberal. Doesn't agree with it personally but happy to allow others to do what they want with their lives unhindered.0 -
In Bristol, the Maomentumers are proposing things along those lines e.g. University should pay council tax for each student in uni accommodation.Sandpit said:
Their next proposal will be that landlords should pay council tax. As if they think that won’t make any difference.brendan16 said:
Fire services are funded by council tax - so if you want more fire services presumably you need to pay for them somehow. Problem is his proposals would hit momentum central too hard - inner London, Brighton, Oxford and Cambridge renters!TheWhiteRabbit said:
He's Shadow Minister for Fire and Emergency Services - I doubt having a view on Council tax, which, although not Labour's position, is far from heretical would be grounds for resignationdr_spyn said:Williamson heading for the exit?
Nothing to do with his Council Tax proposals?
https://twitter.com/georgeeaton/status/951463804084383744
But it will allow them to attack landlords more for ever increasing rents.0 -
+1Stark_Dawning said:I feel a bit sorry for Nigel Farage. The Tory Right were happy to defect to his party when that was a way of causing no end of trouble for Dave; but now that he's outlived his usefulness to them they're being beastly to him and calling him the most frightful names. What a cynical and ungrateful bunch!
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Some of us have been calling Farage the most frightul names for a very, very long time. The idea of him gloating at a Brexit vote was one of the biggest constraints to voting for it.Stark_Dawning said:I feel a bit sorry for Nigel Farage. The Tory Right were happy to defect to his party when that was a way of causing no end of trouble for Dave; but now that he's outlived his usefulness to them they're being beastly to him and calling him the most frightful names. What a cynical and ungrateful bunch!
The man is [self-censored].0 -
It is quite simple - Brexit happens on the 29th March 2019 and the transition commences on the 30th March 2019 for two years to allow business to adjustwilliamglenn said:
So in your book Brexit doesn't happen on March 29th 2019 but when the transition ends?FrancisUrquhart said:
Guardian super spin alert....Gove says AFTER Brexit....Diplomat says during transition....Isn't the whole point of a 2 year transition not exactly as suggested will happen...TheScreamingEagles said:EU to hold Britain to fishing quotas during Brexit transition
Exclusive: EU’s plan means UK would essentially be leaving common fisheries policy in name only after Brexit
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2018/jan/11/eu-to-hold-britain-to-fishing-quotas-during-brexit-transition?CMP=Share_iOSApp_Other0 -
Greenpeace questioned why there was no mention of deposit return schemes for bottles
http://www.bbc.com/news/science-environment-42651480
I have to say, I have no idea why this is so difficult....You go to places like Canada and they have had it for donkeys years. It really isn't that complicated.0 -
And add it to their feesFrancisUrquhart said:
In Bristol, the Maomentumers are proposing things along those lines e.g. University should pay council tax for each student in uni accommodation.Sandpit said:
Their next proposal will be that landlords should pay council tax. As if they think that won’t make any difference.brendan16 said:
Fire services are funded by council tax - so if you want more fire services presumably you need to pay for them somehow. Problem is his proposals would hit momentum central too hard - inner London, Brighton, Oxford and Cambridge renters!TheWhiteRabbit said:
He's Shadow Minister for Fire and Emergency Services - I doubt having a view on Council tax, which, although not Labour's position, is far from heretical would be grounds for resignationdr_spyn said:Williamson heading for the exit?
Nothing to do with his Council Tax proposals?
https://twitter.com/georgeeaton/status/951463804084383744
But it will allow them to attack landlords more for ever increasing rents.0 -
Well of course they will...but sssssshhhhh....Big_G_NorthWales said:
And add it to their feesFrancisUrquhart said:
In Bristol, the Maomentumers are proposing things along those lines e.g. University should pay council tax for each student in uni accommodation.Sandpit said:
Their next proposal will be that landlords should pay council tax. As if they think that won’t make any difference.brendan16 said:
Fire services are funded by council tax - so if you want more fire services presumably you need to pay for them somehow. Problem is his proposals would hit momentum central too hard - inner London, Brighton, Oxford and Cambridge renters!TheWhiteRabbit said:
He's Shadow Minister for Fire and Emergency Services - I doubt having a view on Council tax, which, although not Labour's position, is far from heretical would be grounds for resignationdr_spyn said:Williamson heading for the exit?
Nothing to do with his Council Tax proposals?
https://twitter.com/georgeeaton/status/951463804084383744
But it will allow them to attack landlords more for ever increasing rents.
Actually one of the big unspoken things regards uni costs and student debt, student accomodation, it is absolutely eye watering (both uni owned and the likes of UNITE). For the cost of many tiny student rooms (often £150 a week) you could pay the mortgage on a whole flat.0 -
This has potential to be one of those amusing cases where both sides of a libel lawsuit end up bankrupted by their own legal bills. Probably the first over a Twitter spat though. Maybe a mediator hired for half a day at £100 an hour might have been a more sensible course of action?david_herdson said:
That's not news, is it?TheScreamingEagles said:Oh dear, Katie Hopkins now facing a huge costs bill
https://twitter.com/Greg_Callus/status/951473074041442304
https://www.lawgazette.co.uk/news/katie-hopkins-to-appeal/5060323.article
It's still amusing though.0 -
There is a theory you can achieve perpetual motion at absolute zero.david_herdson said:
There's a joke about absolute zero and momentum too but I can't quite pin it down.RobD said:
There’s a joke about momentum in there somewhere....TheScreamingEagles said:
I'd say he's Shadow Minister for Heisenberg's Particle/Principle.Morris_Dancer said:Mr. Eagles, he's the Shadow Minister for Schrodinger's Cat.
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We've had that argument: small retailers hate bottle deposits.FrancisUrquhart said:Greenpeace questioned why there was no mention of deposit return schemes for bottles
http://www.bbc.com/news/science-environment-42651480
I have to say, I have no idea why this is so difficult....You go to places like Canada and they have had it for donkeys years. It really isn't that complicated.
Good for TMay for this plan. The trouble is partly that it involves abolishing the large and utterly pointless bottled water industry (put taps eveywhere, and people can fill their own bottles). Cutting Vichy off at the knees would be the best political gesture ever, but there are UK players.0 -
What if we transition to something that isn’t ‘properly out’? Is that still not Brexit?FrancisUrquhart said:
We won't be properly out until after the transitional period ends.williamglenn said:
So in your book Brexit doesn't happen on March 29th 2019 but when the transition ends?FrancisUrquhart said:
Guardian super spin alert....Gove says AFTER Brexit....Diplomat says during transition....Isn't the whole point of a 2 year transition not exactly as suggested will happen...TheScreamingEagles said:EU to hold Britain to fishing quotas during Brexit transition
Exclusive: EU’s plan means UK would essentially be leaving common fisheries policy in name only after Brexit
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2018/jan/11/eu-to-hold-britain-to-fishing-quotas-during-brexit-transition?CMP=Share_iOSApp_Other0 -
Quite. Do the Liberal party want to make it impossible to support them and be Christian?brendan16 said:
Seems the Lib Dems would rather have a liar as leader than a supposed 'homophobe' who doesn't oppose gay marriage or gay rights, or wants to jail gay people but has some moral issues with homosexuality because of his religion.TheScreamingEagles said:
Genius.Tissue_Price said:@TheScreamingEagles - not as good as this one
https://twitter.com/aljwhite/status/951374599073206272
Poor Tim Farron, being a Liberal Democrat opposed to gay sex is a bit like being a Savage Garden fan turning up to a Sound Garden gig by mistake.
What exactly is the purpose of the word Liberal in the Lib Dems - I know they have dropped the pretence on democracy re Brexit but Farron is surely bring a true liberal. Doesn't agree with it personally but happy to allow others to do what they want with their lives unhindered.0 -
I actually don't remember the debate. Why do they hate bottle deposits, say anymore than charging for bags? It doesn't seem that much of an imposition, and so many other countries I have been to have something along these lines.Ishmael_Z said:
We've had that argument: small retailers hate bottle deposits.FrancisUrquhart said:Greenpeace questioned why there was no mention of deposit return schemes for bottles
http://www.bbc.com/news/science-environment-42651480
I have to say, I have no idea why this is so difficult....You go to places like Canada and they have had it for donkeys years. It really isn't that complicated.
Good for TMay for this plan. The trouble is partly that it involves abolishing the large and utterly pointless bottled water industry (put taps eveywhere, and people can fill their own bottles). Cutting Vichy off at the knees would be the best political gesture ever, but there are UK players.0 -
I am confused here too.SandyRentool said:
That had me confused for a moment - a different Hopkins!dr_spyn said:Hopkins Internal Inquiry, looks like one MP isn't gruntled any longer.
https://twitter.com/youngvulgarian/status/951471903100821505
Is this the "four slightly flirty notes over two decades" one? So Kerry M did make a complaint to the party.
I am not clear about a committee of any party sitting as "quasi-judicial", either.0 -
There are investment trusts invested in the buildings offering staggering yields.FrancisUrquhart said:
Well of course they will...but sssssshhhhh....Big_G_NorthWales said:
And add it to their feesFrancisUrquhart said:
In Bristol, the Maomentumers are proposing things along those lines e.g. University should pay council tax for each student in uni accommodation.Sandpit said:
Their next proposal will be that landlords should pay council tax. As if they think that won’t make any difference.brendan16 said:
Fire services are funded by council tax - so if you want more fire services presumably you need to pay for them somehow. Problem is his proposals would hit momentum central too hard - inner London, Brighton, Oxford and Cambridge renters!TheWhiteRabbit said:
He's Shadow Minister for Fire and Emergency Services - I doubt having a view on Council tax, which, although not Labour's position, is far from heretical would be grounds for resignationdr_spyn said:Williamson heading for the exit?
Nothing to do with his Council Tax proposals?
https://twitter.com/georgeeaton/status/951463804084383744
But it will allow them to attack landlords more for ever increasing rents.
Actually one of the big unspoken things regards uni costs and student debt, student accomodation, it is absolutely eye watering (both uni owned and the likes of UNITE). For the cost of many tiny student rooms (often £150 a week) you could pay the mortgage on a whole flat.0 -
But a house full of students currently pays no council tax at all, are they proposing to change that? A Hall of Residence isn’t a profit centre for a university, they’ll just pass on any mandated increase in costs to their students - and make the university comparatively unpopular with those for whom costs of living are important. Only rich kids can afford to study at Bristol.FrancisUrquhart said:
In Bristol, the Maomentumers are proposing things along those lines e.g. University should pay council tax for each student in uni accommodation.Sandpit said:
Their next proposal will be that landlords should pay council tax. As if they think that won’t make any difference.brendan16 said:
Fire services are funded by council tax - so if you want more fire services presumably you need to pay for them somehow. Problem is his proposals would hit momentum central too hard - inner London, Brighton, Oxford and Cambridge renters!TheWhiteRabbit said:
He's Shadow Minister for Fire and Emergency Services - I doubt having a view on Council tax, which, although not Labour's position, is far from heretical would be grounds for resignationdr_spyn said:Williamson heading for the exit?
Nothing to do with his Council Tax proposals?
https://twitter.com/georgeeaton/status/951463804084383744
But it will allow them to attack landlords more for ever increasing rents.0 -
Small retailers can suck it upIshmael_Z said:
We've had that argument: small retailers hate bottle deposits.FrancisUrquhart said:Greenpeace questioned why there was no mention of deposit return schemes for bottles
http://www.bbc.com/news/science-environment-42651480
I have to say, I have no idea why this is so difficult....You go to places like Canada and they have had it for donkeys years. It really isn't that complicated.
Good for TMay for this plan. The trouble is partly that it involves abolishing the large and utterly pointless bottled water industry (put taps eveywhere, and people can fill their own bottles). Cutting Vichy off at the knees would be the best political gesture ever, but there are UK players.0 -
All political parties should ask theists to leave their beliefs at the door.Sandpit said:
Quite. Do the Liberal party want to make it impossible to support them and be Christian?brendan16 said:
Seems the Lib Dems would rather have a liar as leader than a supposed 'homophobe' who doesn't oppose gay marriage or gay rights, or wants to jail gay people but has some moral issues with homosexuality because of his religion.TheScreamingEagles said:
Genius.Tissue_Price said:@TheScreamingEagles - not as good as this one
https://twitter.com/aljwhite/status/951374599073206272
Poor Tim Farron, being a Liberal Democrat opposed to gay sex is a bit like being a Savage Garden fan turning up to a Sound Garden gig by mistake.
What exactly is the purpose of the word Liberal in the Lib Dems - I know they have dropped the pretence on democracy re Brexit but Farron is surely bring a true liberal. Doesn't agree with it personally but happy to allow others to do what they want with their lives unhindered.0 -
Don't confuse the Maomentumers with complex stuff like free market economics...anyway their great wannabe chancellor is going to change the whole broken capitalist system to something better anyway.Sandpit said:
But a house full of students currently pays no council tax at all, are they proposing to change that? A Hall of Residence isn’t a profit centre for a university, they’ll just pass on any mandated increase in costs to their students - and make the university comparatively unpopular with those for whom costs of living are important. Only rich kids can afford to study at Bristol.FrancisUrquhart said:
In Bristol, the Maomentumers are proposing things along those lines e.g. University should pay council tax for each student in uni accommodation.Sandpit said:
Their next proposal will be that landlords should pay council tax. As if they think that won’t make any difference.brendan16 said:
Fire services are funded by council tax - so if you want more fire services presumably you need to pay for them somehow. Problem is his proposals would hit momentum central too hard - inner London, Brighton, Oxford and Cambridge renters!TheWhiteRabbit said:
He's Shadow Minister for Fire and Emergency Services - I doubt having a view on Council tax, which, although not Labour's position, is far from heretical would be grounds for resignationdr_spyn said:Williamson heading for the exit?
Nothing to do with his Council Tax proposals?
https://twitter.com/georgeeaton/status/951463804084383744
But it will allow them to attack landlords more for ever increasing rents.0 -
Liberally and tolerantly put, congratulations!PeterMannion said:
Small retailers can suck it upIshmael_Z said:
We've had that argument: small retailers hate bottle deposits.FrancisUrquhart said:Greenpeace questioned why there was no mention of deposit return schemes for bottles
http://www.bbc.com/news/science-environment-42651480
I have to say, I have no idea why this is so difficult....You go to places like Canada and they have had it for donkeys years. It really isn't that complicated.
Good for TMay for this plan. The trouble is partly that it involves abolishing the large and utterly pointless bottled water industry (put taps eveywhere, and people can fill their own bottles). Cutting Vichy off at the knees would be the best political gesture ever, but there are UK players.
They are however voters, and have customers who are also voters.0 -
SandyRentool said:
All political parties should ask theists to leave their beliefs at the door.Sandpit said:
Quite. Do the Liberal party want to make it impossible to support them and be Christian?brendan16 said:
Seems the Lib Dems would rather have a liar as leader than a supposed 'homophobe' who doesn't oppose gay marriage or gay rights, or wants to jail gay people but has some moral issues with homosexuality because of his religion.TheScreamingEagles said:
Genius.Tissue_Price said:@TheScreamingEagles - not as good as this one
https://twitter.com/aljwhite/status/951374599073206272
Poor Tim Farron, being a Liberal Democrat opposed to gay sex is a bit like being a Savage Garden fan turning up to a Sound Garden gig by mistake.
What exactly is the purpose of the word Liberal in the Lib Dems - I know they have dropped the pretence on democracy re Brexit but Farron is surely bring a true liberal. Doesn't agree with it personally but happy to allow others to do what they want with their lives unhindered.
All political parties should ask socialists to leave their beliefs at the door.
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I doubt Nigel has any concern what people think about him and that's partly why he's been so successful. The guy had the last laugh against the Europhiles and his place in history is assured, I do agree though that he is struggling for a purpose somewhat since Britain decided to leave.murali_s said:
+1Stark_Dawning said:I feel a bit sorry for Nigel Farage. The Tory Right were happy to defect to his party when that was a way of causing no end of trouble for Dave; but now that he's outlived his usefulness to them they're being beastly to him and calling him the most frightful names. What a cynical and ungrateful bunch!
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Germany does it, and we used to do it once upon a time. It seems bizarre that bottle deposits aren't being considered.FrancisUrquhart said:
I actually don't remember the debate. Why do they hate bottle deposits, say anymore than charging for bags? It doesn't seem that much of an imposition, and so many other countries I have been to have something along these lines.Ishmael_Z said:
We've had that argument: small retailers hate bottle deposits.FrancisUrquhart said:Greenpeace questioned why there was no mention of deposit return schemes for bottles
http://www.bbc.com/news/science-environment-42651480
I have to say, I have no idea why this is so difficult....You go to places like Canada and they have had it for donkeys years. It really isn't that complicated.
Good for TMay for this plan. The trouble is partly that it involves abolishing the large and utterly pointless bottled water industry (put taps eveywhere, and people can fill their own bottles). Cutting Vichy off at the knees would be the best political gesture ever, but there are UK players.0 -
So you would scrap the NHS then ? Socialist Marxist.MarkHopkins said:SandyRentool said:
All political parties should ask theists to leave their beliefs at the door.Sandpit said:
Quite. Do the Liberal party want to make it impossible to support them and be Christian?brendan16 said:
Seems the Lib Dems would rather have a liar as leader than a supposed 'homophobe' who doesn't oppose gay marriage or gay rights, or wants to jail gay people but has some moral issues with homosexuality because of his religion.TheScreamingEagles said:
Genius.Tissue_Price said:@TheScreamingEagles - not as good as this one
https://twitter.com/aljwhite/status/951374599073206272
Poor Tim Farron, being a Liberal Democrat opposed to gay sex is a bit like being a Savage Garden fan turning up to a Sound Garden gig by mistake.
What exactly is the purpose of the word Liberal in the Lib Dems - I know they have dropped the pretence on democracy re Brexit but Farron is surely bring a true liberal. Doesn't agree with it personally but happy to allow others to do what they want with their lives unhindered.
All political parties should ask socialists to leave their beliefs at the door.0 -
According to Michael Gove's DEFRA, the EU Common Fisheries Policy has been a stunning success:TheScreamingEagles said:EU to hold Britain to fishing quotas during Brexit transition
Exclusive: EU’s plan means UK would essentially be leaving common fisheries policy in name only after Brexit
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2018/jan/11/eu-to-hold-britain-to-fishing-quotas-during-brexit-transition?CMP=Share_iOSApp_Other
One such intervention is ‘achieving Maximum Sustainable Yield’ (MSY). To bring overfishing under control, from 2006 EU fisheries management began to adopt the concept of setting quotas to prevent further depletion of fish stocks. This was further strengthened in 2011, and MSY, with its aim of restoring stock populations and maintaining them at sustainable levels, was adopted as a central objective in 2013. MSY represents a reference point or range based on scientific advice that indicates the level at which a species can be fished without harming the stock in the long term. While this might mean in practice that fishermen cannot fish as much in the short-term, it allows fish stocks to rebuild over time and ensures that the resource is available to us for much longer.
Hake stocks in the North-East Atlantic are an example of how stocks can be rebuilt, and illustrate the potential effect of MSY on stock sizes. Between 1985 and 2004, these stocks were in continual decline owing to overfishing. At the lowest point in 2003, 2,500 tonnes were landed in the UK, at a value of £6m at current prices. From 2006, the EU moved towards setting Total Allowable Catches (the amounts fishermen are allowed to catch) in line with MSY. As a result, stocks are now around five times larger, allowing the UK to land 14,000 tonnes of Hake valued at £35m.
https://www.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/673203/25-year-environment-plan.pdf#page=1090 -
They are being considered along with the impact of tax changes on single use coffee cups, takeaway boxes, straws etcFeersumEnjineeya said:
Germany does it, and we used to do it once upon a time. It seems bizarre that bottle deposits aren't being considered.FrancisUrquhart said:
I actually don't remember the debate. Why do they hate bottle deposits, say anymore than charging for bags? It doesn't seem that much of an imposition, and so many other countries I have been to have something along these lines.Ishmael_Z said:
We've had that argument: small retailers hate bottle deposits.FrancisUrquhart said:Greenpeace questioned why there was no mention of deposit return schemes for bottles
http://www.bbc.com/news/science-environment-42651480
I have to say, I have no idea why this is so difficult....You go to places like Canada and they have had it for donkeys years. It really isn't that complicated.
Good for TMay for this plan. The trouble is partly that it involves abolishing the large and utterly pointless bottled water industry (put taps eveywhere, and people can fill their own bottles). Cutting Vichy off at the knees would be the best political gesture ever, but there are UK players.0 -
Has anyone thought that Farage suggestion for a second referendum is clever politics as it is more than likely to iritate many ordinary voters and turn public opinion against any prospect of a second referendum thereby dealing a blow to remainers great hope of changing the result0
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Pain in the neck for supermarkets - they have to do the work.FeersumEnjineeya said:
Germany does it, and we used to do it once upon a time. It seems bizarre that bottle deposits aren't being considered.FrancisUrquhart said:
I actually don't remember the debate. Why do they hate bottle deposits, say anymore than charging for bags? It doesn't seem that much of an imposition, and so many other countries I have been to have something along these lines.Ishmael_Z said:
We've had that argument: small retailers hate bottle deposits.FrancisUrquhart said:Greenpeace questioned why there was no mention of deposit return schemes for bottles
http://www.bbc.com/news/science-environment-42651480
I have to say, I have no idea why this is so difficult....You go to places like Canada and they have had it for donkeys years. It really isn't that complicated.
Good for TMay for this plan. The trouble is partly that it involves abolishing the large and utterly pointless bottled water industry (put taps eveywhere, and people can fill their own bottles). Cutting Vichy off at the knees would be the best political gesture ever, but there are UK players.
With reducing plastics they simply beat their suppliers over the head to find a solution.
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Many states in the US has bottle and can deposits, but few people bother to return them. I have no clue how to but put the bottles and cans out for recycling, and usually there's somebody comes by before the sanitation truck and grabs all the items that have deposits on them. Hopefully they can make a living out of it.FeersumEnjineeya said:
Germany does it, and we used to do it once upon a time. It seems bizarre that bottle deposits aren't being considered.FrancisUrquhart said:
I actually don't remember the debate. Why do they hate bottle deposits, say anymore than charging for bags? It doesn't seem that much of an imposition, and so many other countries I have been to have something along these lines.Ishmael_Z said:
We've had that argument: small retailers hate bottle deposits.FrancisUrquhart said:Greenpeace questioned why there was no mention of deposit return schemes for bottles
http://www.bbc.com/news/science-environment-42651480
I have to say, I have no idea why this is so difficult....You go to places like Canada and they have had it for donkeys years. It really isn't that complicated.
Good for TMay for this plan. The trouble is partly that it involves abolishing the large and utterly pointless bottled water industry (put taps eveywhere, and people can fill their own bottles). Cutting Vichy off at the knees would be the best political gesture ever, but there are UK players.0 -
They could just not allow oligarchs and other rich individuals owning high band properties to claim single person discount on their £65 million One Hyde Park mansions and design a fairer grant system that doesn't over fund central London boroughs so much that they are forced to raise their Band H council tax anyway. This would ensure said bachelor oligarchs end up paying a lot more than the pathetic £1k a year in council tax which is all they pay presently when pensioner couples elsewhere are paying £3500 a year on more out in the sticks!Sandpit said:
Their next proposal will be that landlords should pay council tax. As if they think that won’t make any difference.brendan16 said:
Fire services are funded by council tax - so if you want more fire services presumably you need to pay for them somehow. Problem is his proposals would hit momentum central too hard - inner London, Brighton, Oxford and Cambridge renters!TheWhiteRabbit said:
He's Shadow Minister for Fire and Emergency Services - I doubt having a view on Council tax, which, although not Labour's position, is far from heretical would be grounds for resignationdr_spyn said:Williamson heading for the exit?
Nothing to do with his Council Tax proposals?
https://twitter.com/georgeeaton/status/951463804084383744
But it will allow them to attack landlords more for ever increasing rents.0 -
A clutching at straws tax? That would really hit the Remoaners!Big_G_NorthWales said:
They are being considered along with the impact of tax changes on single use coffee cups, takeaway boxes, straws etcFeersumEnjineeya said:
Germany does it, and we used to do it once upon a time. It seems bizarre that bottle deposits aren't being considered.FrancisUrquhart said:
I actually don't remember the debate. Why do they hate bottle deposits, say anymore than charging for bags? It doesn't seem that much of an imposition, and so many other countries I have been to have something along these lines.Ishmael_Z said:
We've had that argument: small retailers hate bottle deposits.FrancisUrquhart said:Greenpeace questioned why there was no mention of deposit return schemes for bottles
http://www.bbc.com/news/science-environment-42651480
I have to say, I have no idea why this is so difficult....You go to places like Canada and they have had it for donkeys years. It really isn't that complicated.
Good for TMay for this plan. The trouble is partly that it involves abolishing the large and utterly pointless bottled water industry (put taps eveywhere, and people can fill their own bottles). Cutting Vichy off at the knees would be the best political gesture ever, but there are UK players.0 -
When I was in Germany, they just had a machine you feed your bottles into, and then it returned your cash. Then I presume a lorry comes and picks up the massive bin behind the machine.TGOHF said:
Pain in the neck for supermarkets - they have to do the work.FeersumEnjineeya said:
Germany does it, and we used to do it once upon a time. It seems bizarre that bottle deposits aren't being considered.FrancisUrquhart said:
I actually don't remember the debate. Why do they hate bottle deposits, say anymore than charging for bags? It doesn't seem that much of an imposition, and so many other countries I have been to have something along these lines.Ishmael_Z said:
We've had that argument: small retailers hate bottle deposits.FrancisUrquhart said:Greenpeace questioned why there was no mention of deposit return schemes for bottles
http://www.bbc.com/news/science-environment-42651480
I have to say, I have no idea why this is so difficult....You go to places like Canada and they have had it for donkeys years. It really isn't that complicated.
Good for TMay for this plan. The trouble is partly that it involves abolishing the large and utterly pointless bottled water industry (put taps eveywhere, and people can fill their own bottles). Cutting Vichy off at the knees would be the best political gesture ever, but there are UK players.
With reducing plastics they simply beat their suppliers over the head to find a solution.
I am sure the government could structure some sort of tax credit to make it cost efficient for supermarkets to put these machines in, remembering that the council will not be collecting glass and plastic bottles from homes anymore thus reducing the hugely inefficient use of labour there.0 -
brendan16 said:
They could just not allow oligarchs and other rich individuals owning high band properties to claim single person discount on their £65 million One Hyde Park mansions and design a fairer grant system that doesn't over fund central London boroughs so much that they are forced to raise their Band H council tax anyway. This would ensure said bachelor oligarchs end up paying a lot more than the pathetic £1k a year in council tax which is all they pay presently when pensioner couples elsewhere are paying £3500 a year on more out in the sticks!Sandpit said:
Their next proposal will be that landlords should pay council tax. As if they think that won’t make any difference.brendan16 said:
Fire services are funded by council tax - so if you want more fire services presumably you need to pay for them somehow. Problem is his proposals would hit momentum central too hard - inner London, Brighton, Oxford and Cambridge renters!TheWhiteRabbit said:
He's Shadow Minister for Fire and Emergency Services - I doubt having a view on Council tax, which, although not Labour's position, is far from heretical would be grounds for resignationdr_spyn said:Williamson heading for the exit?
Nothing to do with his Council Tax proposals?
https://twitter.com/georgeeaton/status/951463804084383744
But it will allow them to attack landlords more for ever increasing rents.
Council Tax has a purpose. It is not meant to be an Income Tax.
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Leave campaigners mocked for handing EU negotiator hamper full of ‘British’ products opposed to Brexit
https://inews.co.uk/news/politics/leave-campaigners-hand-eu-hamper-full-british-products-opposed-brexit/0 -
The Tories do that to everybody. Make use of them and then spit them out and trample on them. It`s the nature of the Conservative beast.Stark_Dawning said:I feel a bit sorry for Nigel Farage. The Tory Right were happy to defect to his party when that was a way of causing no end of trouble for Dave; but now that he's outlived his usefulness to them they're being beastly to him and calling him the most frightful names. What a cynical and ungrateful bunch!
After that, take credit for the policies advocated by the minority party, even though they were strongly opposed to them at the time.
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That's possible. It's also possible he wants to frame the debate In?/Out? works better for him than "What do you want?"Big_G_NorthWales said:Has anyone thought that Farage suggestion for a second referendum is clever politics as it is more than likely to iritate many ordinary voters and turn public opinion against any prospect of a second referendum thereby dealing a blow to remainers great hope of changing the result
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Single use straws are deadly killers of sea life and turtles. They are unnecessary and should be banned World wideSandyRentool said:
A clutching at straws tax? That would really hit the Remoaners!Big_G_NorthWales said:
They are being considered along with the impact of tax changes on single use coffee cups, takeaway boxes, straws etcFeersumEnjineeya said:
Germany does it, and we used to do it once upon a time. It seems bizarre that bottle deposits aren't being considered.FrancisUrquhart said:
I actually don't remember the debate. Why do they hate bottle deposits, say anymore than charging for bags? It doesn't seem that much of an imposition, and so many other countries I have been to have something along these lines.Ishmael_Z said:
We've had that argument: small retailers hate bottle deposits.FrancisUrquhart said:Greenpeace questioned why there was no mention of deposit return schemes for bottles
http://www.bbc.com/news/science-environment-42651480
I have to say, I have no idea why this is so difficult....You go to places like Canada and they have had it for donkeys years. It really isn't that complicated.
Good for TMay for this plan. The trouble is partly that it involves abolishing the large and utterly pointless bottled water industry (put taps eveywhere, and people can fill their own bottles). Cutting Vichy off at the knees would be the best political gesture ever, but there are UK players.0 -
Sounds like you are feeling the pain of being the small partner in the coalition though it was a good governmentPClipp said:
The Tories do that to everybody. Make use of them and then spit them out and trample on them. It`s the nature of the Conservative beast.Stark_Dawning said:I feel a bit sorry for Nigel Farage. The Tory Right were happy to defect to his party when that was a way of causing no end of trouble for Dave; but now that he's outlived his usefulness to them they're being beastly to him and calling him the most frightful names. What a cynical and ungrateful bunch!
After that, take credit for the policies advocated by the minority party, even though they were strongly opposed to them at the time.
The Conservatives are the Ruthless and Cynical Party. Nobody should trust them an inch.0 -
Politics heyFF43 said:
That's possible. It's also possible he wants to frame the debate In?/Out? works better for him than "What do you want?"Big_G_NorthWales said:Has anyone thought that Farage suggestion for a second referendum is clever politics as it is more than likely to iritate many ordinary voters and turn public opinion against any prospect of a second referendum thereby dealing a blow to remainers great hope of changing the result
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The only problem is how he gets from the embassy to heathrow without being arrestedTheuniondivvie said:Perhaps Farage gave him advice on dual citizenship.
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Knowing the MET, they will arrest the wrong guy...they all looked the same, they were all wearing the same football shirt.Big_G_NorthWales said:
The only problem is how he gets from the embassy to heathrow without being arrestedTheuniondivvie said:Perhaps Farage gave him advice on dual citizenship.
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That new Yougov poll would give 392 Labour 286 Tory and 14 LD MPs so still almost neck and neck on seats at the top though Labour would likely do a deal with the SNPdr_spyn said:NHS Winter crisis hasn't turned into Corbyn's trump card.
Bumping along with a 1% polling lead.
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TYPO alert....Good job it wasn't our OGH tweeting those seat figures.HYUFD said:
That new Yougov poll would give 392 Labour 286 Tory and 14 LD MPs so still almost neck and neck on seats at the top though Labour would likely do a deal with the SNPdr_spyn said:NHS Winter crisis hasn't turned into Corbyn's trump card.
Bumping along with a 1% polling lead.
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Thats not a bad list SW and SD have indeed criticised their own Government.rural_voter said:
For a start, we could listen to MPs/Lords who know more than a bit about healthcaremurali_s said:
Is that your answer to everything? "I know it's bad mate, but you should come to Wales, it's far worse".Big_G_NorthWales said:
You do know Wales is far worse than England with terrible daily reports on ITV Wales and labour in serious trouble over itmurali_s said:
"Perceived crisis" - Simply LOLzBig_G_NorthWales said:
But still in the media's blitz on the government over the NHS crisis or perceived crisisTheScreamingEagles said:
The fieldwork for this poll was mostly conducted before the reshuffle.BannedInParis said:
All that noise and so little, so very little, heat.dr_spyn said:NHS Winter crisis hasn't turned into Corbyn's trump card.
Bumping along with a 1% polling lead.
https://twitter.com/britainelects/status/951453388889362432
especially with the Night of the Short Straws overkill about the reshuffle.
For once, stop trying to score political points and face the facts. The NHS is in crisis - a severe crisis - people are dying on hospital trolleys. That should shame us all. What as a country are we going to do about it?
Dr Sarah Wollaston
Dr/Lord David Owen
Stephen Dorrell ex-MP, involved in health for almost his whole political career
Norman Lamb
https://www.politicshome.com/news/uk/health-and-care/house/59135/stephen-dorrell-health-and-political-sloganising-dont-mix
There may be examples in Labour too but these were the first people I thought of who are prepared to put the NHS above short-term party politics.
I do agree with these call for a cross party solution, but can see why Labour thinks the current crisis is something of this Governments own making and wants to make Political Capital.
In my view both main parties reaching a concensus is much more important than point scoring. The problem is urgent both front benches should be involved in a tax hike solution.0 -
Smuggle him out in the diplomatic bag? Can you make someone a diplomat and give them the status AFTER they have entered the country?Big_G_NorthWales said:
The only problem is how he gets from the embassy to heathrow without being arrestedTheuniondivvie said:Perhaps Farage gave him advice on dual citizenship.
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Farage said a few weeks ago that we'd be better off remaining in the EU than accepting the deal that May is negotiating.FF43 said:
That's possible. It's also possible he wants to frame the debate In?/Out? works better for him than "What do you want?"Big_G_NorthWales said:Has anyone thought that Farage suggestion for a second referendum is clever politics as it is more than likely to iritate many ordinary voters and turn public opinion against any prospect of a second referendum thereby dealing a blow to remainers great hope of changing the result
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What would you have people who want a straw use at a restaurant instead of a straw then?Big_G_NorthWales said:
Single use straws are deadly killers of sea life and turtles. They are unnecessary and should be banned World wideSandyRentool said:
A clutching at straws tax? That would really hit the Remoaners!Big_G_NorthWales said:
They are being considered along with the impact of tax changes on single use coffee cups, takeaway boxes, straws etcFeersumEnjineeya said:
Germany does it, and we used to do it once upon a time. It seems bizarre that bottle deposits aren't being considered.FrancisUrquhart said:
I actually don't remember the debate. Why do they hate bottle deposits, say anymore than charging for bags? It doesn't seem that much of an imposition, and so many other countries I have been to have something along these lines.Ishmael_Z said:
We've had that argument: small retailers hate bottle deposits.FrancisUrquhart said:Greenpeace questioned why there was no mention of deposit return schemes for bottles
http://www.bbc.com/news/science-environment-42651480
I have to say, I have no idea why this is so difficult....You go to places like Canada and they have had it for donkeys years. It really isn't that complicated.
Good for TMay for this plan. The trouble is partly that it involves abolishing the large and utterly pointless bottled water industry (put taps eveywhere, and people can fill their own bottles). Cutting Vichy off at the knees would be the best political gesture ever, but there are UK players.
Do you want a reusable straw someone else has chewed on?0 -
Here you go (though I was referring to English retailers making the same points on the radio)FrancisUrquhart said:
I actually don't remember the debate. Why do they hate bottle deposits, say anymore than charging for bags? It doesn't seem that much of an imposition, and so many other countries I have been to have something along these lines.Ishmael_Z said:
We've had that argument: small retailers hate bottle deposits.FrancisUrquhart said:Greenpeace questioned why there was no mention of deposit return schemes for bottles
http://www.bbc.com/news/science-environment-42651480
I have to say, I have no idea why this is so difficult....You go to places like Canada and they have had it for donkeys years. It really isn't that complicated.
Good for TMay for this plan. The trouble is partly that it involves abolishing the large and utterly pointless bottled water industry (put taps eveywhere, and people can fill their own bottles). Cutting Vichy off at the knees would be the best political gesture ever, but there are UK players.
But Ewan MacDonald-Russell, head of policy and external affairs at the Scottish Retail Consortium, hit out said a DRS was "unnecessary, anachronistic, and expensive".
He said: "We know this scheme will be hugely expensive for retailers, costing tens of millions to install reverse vending machines, cannibalising profitable floor space for unprofitable waste machines, disrupting operations and hugely inconveniencing customers.
The scheme will be expensive for retailers
"In fact, the costs are clear. What is still uncertain is whether such a scheme will significantly improve overall recycling rates."
Dr John Lee, head of policy and public Affairs for the Scottish Grocers Federation said: "There are already huge cost pressures on retailers and this would threaten the viability of most independent stores.
"The potential cost to retailers is reason enough for this idea to be scrapped now."
https://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/823310/SNP-risks-row-row-pushing-forward-bottle-can-deposit-return-scheme0 -
That is 692 ex SNP and othersHYUFD said:
That new Yougov poll would give 392 Labour 286 Tory and 14 LD MPs so still almost neck and neck on seats at the top though Labour would likely do a deal with the SNPdr_spyn said:NHS Winter crisis hasn't turned into Corbyn's trump card.
Bumping along with a 1% polling lead.
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You would have thought the Tories would have understood simple supply and demand well before the 7th year of an NHS pay freeze.FrancisUrquhart said:
Don't confuse the Maomentumers with complex stuff like free market economics...anyway their great wannabe chancellor is going to change the whole broken capitalist system to something better anyway.Sandpit said:
But a house full of students currently pays no council tax at all, are they proposing to change that? A Hall of Residence isn’t a profit centre for a university, they’ll just pass on any mandated increase in costs to their students - and make the university comparatively unpopular with those for whom costs of living are important. Only rich kids can afford to study at Bristol.FrancisUrquhart said:
In Bristol, the Maomentumers are proposing things along those lines e.g. University should pay council tax for each student in uni accommodation.Sandpit said:
Their next proposal will be that landlords should pay council tax. As if they think that won’t make any difference.brendan16 said:
Fire services are funded by council tax - so if you want more fire services presumably you need to pay for them somehow. Problem is his proposals would hit momentum central too hard - inner London, Brighton, Oxford and Cambridge renters!TheWhiteRabbit said:
He's Shadow Minister for Fire and Emergency Services - I doubt having a view on Council tax, which, although not Labour's position, is far from heretical would be grounds for resignationdr_spyn said:Williamson heading for the exit?
Nothing to do with his Council Tax proposals?
https://twitter.com/georgeeaton/status/951463804084383744
But it will allow them to attack landlords more for ever increasing rents.0 -
Yes, you take your empties back to the supermarket when you go shopping and feed them into a machine, which then typically dispenses a credit slip that you can use at the checkout when paying for your shopping. It seems to all work quite smoothly.FrancisUrquhart said:
When I was in Germany, they just had a machine you feed your bottles into, and then it returned your cash. Then I presume a lorry comes and picks up the massive bin behind the machine.TGOHF said:
Pain in the neck for supermarkets - they have to do the work.FeersumEnjineeya said:
Germany does it, and we used to do it once upon a time. It seems bizarre that bottle deposits aren't being considered.FrancisUrquhart said:
I actually don't remember the debate. Why do they hate bottle deposits, say anymore than charging for bags? It doesn't seem that much of an imposition, and so many other countries I have been to have something along these lines.Ishmael_Z said:
We've had that argument: small retailers hate bottle deposits.FrancisUrquhart said:Greenpeace questioned why there was no mention of deposit return schemes for bottles
http://www.bbc.com/news/science-environment-42651480
I have to say, I have no idea why this is so difficult....You go to places like Canada and they have had it for donkeys years. It really isn't that complicated.
Good for TMay for this plan. The trouble is partly that it involves abolishing the large and utterly pointless bottled water industry (put taps eveywhere, and people can fill their own bottles). Cutting Vichy off at the knees would be the best political gesture ever, but there are UK players.
With reducing plastics they simply beat their suppliers over the head to find a solution.
I am sure the government could structure some sort of tax credit to make it cost efficient for supermarkets to put these machines in, remembering that the council will not be collecting glass and plastic bottles from homes anymore thus reducing the hugely inefficient use of labour there.
Also, if people do leave bottles lying around after a celebration or something, then they generally get collected by kids and tramps keen to make a few coppers. When I was last there, the deposit was typically 25 cents per bottle.0 -
Many (most?) Councils simply collect "mixed recycling" rather than a separate glass and plastic bottle recycling. That will still have to be collected so there's no saving in labour unless you want to cancel mixed recycling collections?FrancisUrquhart said:
When I was in Germany, they just had a machine you feed your bottles into, and then it returned your cash. Then I presume a lorry comes and picks up the massive bin behind the machine.TGOHF said:
Pain in the neck for supermarkets - they have to do the work.FeersumEnjineeya said:
Germany does it, and we used to do it once upon a time. It seems bizarre that bottle deposits aren't being considered.FrancisUrquhart said:
I actually don't remember the debate. Why do they hate bottle deposits, say anymore than charging for bags? It doesn't seem that much of an imposition, and so many other countries I have been to have something along these lines.Ishmael_Z said:
We've had that argument: small retailers hate bottle deposits.FrancisUrquhart said:Greenpeace questioned why there was no mention of deposit return schemes for bottles
http://www.bbc.com/news/science-environment-42651480
I have to say, I have no idea why this is so difficult....You go to places like Canada and they have had it for donkeys years. It really isn't that complicated.
Good for TMay for this plan. The trouble is partly that it involves abolishing the large and utterly pointless bottled water industry (put taps eveywhere, and people can fill their own bottles). Cutting Vichy off at the knees would be the best political gesture ever, but there are UK players.
With reducing plastics they simply beat their suppliers over the head to find a solution.
I am sure the government could structure some sort of tax credit to make it cost efficient for supermarkets to put these machines in, remembering that the council will not be collecting glass and plastic bottles from homes anymore thus reducing the hugely inefficient use of labour there.0 -
The Industry has to produce bio degradable straws or other alternativesPhilip_Thompson said:
What would you have people who want a straw use at a restaurant instead of a straw then?Big_G_NorthWales said:
Single use straws are deadly killers of sea life and turtles. They are unnecessary and should be banned World wideSandyRentool said:
A clutching at straws tax? That would really hit the Remoaners!Big_G_NorthWales said:
They are being considered along with the impact of tax changes on single use coffee cups, takeaway boxes, straws etcFeersumEnjineeya said:
Germany does it, and we used to do it once upon a time. It seems bizarre that bottle deposits aren't being considered.FrancisUrquhart said:
I actually don't remember the debate. Why do they hate bottle deposits, say anymore than charging for bags? It doesn't seem that much of an imposition, and so many other countries I have been to have something along these lines.Ishmael_Z said:
We've had that argument: small retailers hate bottle deposits.FrancisUrquhart said:Greenpeace questioned why there was no mention of deposit return schemes for bottles
http://www.bbc.com/news/science-environment-42651480
I have to say, I have no idea why this is so difficult....You go to places like Canada and they have had it for donkeys years. It really isn't that complicated.
Good for TMay for this plan. The trouble is partly that it involves abolishing the large and utterly pointless bottled water industry (put taps eveywhere, and people can fill their own bottles). Cutting Vichy off at the knees would be the best political gesture ever, but there are UK players.
Do you want a reusable straw someone else has chewed on?0 -
Per UKPR advanced swingometer (keeping Scotland and Wales unchanged) it gives:HYUFD said:
That new Yougov poll would give 392 Labour 286 Tory and 14 LD MPs so still almost neck and neck on seats at the top though Labour would likely do a deal with the SNPdr_spyn said:NHS Winter crisis hasn't turned into Corbyn's trump card.
Bumping along with a 1% polling lead.
https://twitter.com/britainelects/status/951453388889362432
Lab 288, Con 287, LD 17, SNP 35
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They used to be waxed paper.Big_G_NorthWales said:
The Industry has to produce bio degradable straws or other alternativesPhilip_Thompson said:
What would you have people who want a straw use at a restaurant instead of a straw then?Big_G_NorthWales said:
Single use straws are deadly killers of sea life and turtles. They are unnecessary and should be banned World wideSandyRentool said:
A clutching at straws tax? That would really hit the Remoaners!Big_G_NorthWales said:
They are being considered along with the impact of tax changes on single use coffee cups, takeaway boxes, straws etcFeersumEnjineeya said:
Germany does it, and we used to do it once upon a time. It seems bizarre that bottle deposits aren't being considered.FrancisUrquhart said:
I actually don't remember the debate. Why do they hate bottle deposits, say anymore than charging for bags? It doesn't seem that much of an imposition, and so many other countries I have been to have something along these lines.Ishmael_Z said:
We've had that argument: small retailers hate bottle deposits.FrancisUrquhart said:Greenpeace questioned why there was no mention of deposit return schemes for bottles
http://www.bbc.com/news/science-environment-42651480
I have to say, I have no idea why this is so difficult....You go to places like Canada and they have had it for donkeys years. It really isn't that complicated.
Good for TMay for this plan. The trouble is partly that it involves abolishing the large and utterly pointless bottled water industry (put taps eveywhere, and people can fill their own bottles). Cutting Vichy off at the knees would be the best political gesture ever, but there are UK players.
Do you want a reusable straw someone else has chewed on?0 -
Landlords do pay property tax in America. The tenant doesn't.Sandpit said:
Their next proposal will be that landlords should pay council tax. As if they think that won’t make any difference.brendan16 said:
Fire services are funded by council tax - so if you want more fire services presumably you need to pay for them somehow. Problem is his proposals would hit momentum central too hard - inner London, Brighton, Oxford and Cambridge renters!TheWhiteRabbit said:
He's Shadow Minister for Fire and Emergency Services - I doubt having a view on Council tax, which, although not Labour's position, is far from heretical would be grounds for resignationdr_spyn said:Williamson heading for the exit?
Nothing to do with his Council Tax proposals?
https://twitter.com/georgeeaton/status/951463804084383744
But it will allow them to attack landlords more for ever increasing rents.0 -
I will think you will find when they don’t specify either the dustmen have to separate as they go into different parts of the truck or when it gets to the depot it is sorted.Philip_Thompson said:
Many (most?) Councils simply collect "mixed recycling" rather than a separate glass and plastic bottle recycling. That will still have to be collected so there's no saving in labour unless you want to cancel mixed recycling collections?FrancisUrquhart said:
When I was in Germany, they just had a machine you feed your bottles into, and then it returned your cash. Then I presume a lorry comes and picks up the massive bin behind the machine.TGOHF said:
Pain in the neck for supermarkets - they have to do the work.FeersumEnjineeya said:
Germany does it, and we used to do it once upon a time. It seems bizarre that bottle deposits aren't being considered.FrancisUrquhart said:
I actually don't remember the debate. Why do they hate bottle deposits, say anymore than charging for bags? It doesn't seem that much of an imposition, and so many other countries I have been to have something along these lines.Ishmael_Z said:
We've had that argument: small retailers hate bottle deposits.FrancisUrquhart said:Greenpeace questioned why there was no mention of deposit return schemes for bottles
http://www.bbc.com/news/science-environment-42651480
I have to say, I have no idea why this is so difficult....You go to places like Canada and they have had it for donkeys years. It really isn't that complicated.
Good for TMay for this plan. The trouble is partly that it involves abolishing the large and utterly pointless bottled water industry (put taps eveywhere, and people can fill their own bottles). Cutting Vichy off at the knees would be the best political gesture ever, but there are UK players.
With reducing plastics they simply beat their suppliers over the head to find a solution.
I am sure the government could structure some sort of tax credit to make it cost efficient for supermarkets to put these machines in, remembering that the council will not be collecting glass and plastic bottles from homes anymore thus reducing the hugely inefficient use of labour there.0 -
So you still want single use straws?Big_G_NorthWales said:
The Industry has to produce bio degradable straws or other alternativesPhilip_Thompson said:
What would you have people who want a straw use at a restaurant instead of a straw then?Big_G_NorthWales said:
Single use straws are deadly killers of sea life and turtles. They are unnecessary and should be banned World wideSandyRentool said:
A clutching at straws tax? That would really hit the Remoaners!Big_G_NorthWales said:
They are being considered along with the impact of tax changes on single use coffee cups, takeaway boxes, straws etcFeersumEnjineeya said:
Germany does it, and we used to do it once upon a time. It seems bizarre that bottle deposits aren't being considered.FrancisUrquhart said:
I actually don't remember the debate. Why do they hate bottle deposits, say anymore than charging for bags? It doesn't seem that much of an imposition, and so many other countries I have been to have something along these lines.Ishmael_Z said:
We've had that argument: small retailers hate bottle deposits.FrancisUrquhart said:Greenpeace questioned why there was no mention of deposit return schemes for bottles
http://www.bbc.com/news/science-environment-42651480
I have to say, I have no idea why this is so difficult....You go to places like Canada and they have had it for donkeys years. It really isn't that complicated.
Good for TMay for this plan. The trouble is partly that it involves abolishing the large and utterly pointless bottled water industry (put taps eveywhere, and people can fill their own bottles). Cutting Vichy off at the knees would be the best political gesture ever, but there are UK players.
Do you want a reusable straw someone else has chewed on?0 -
I absolutely agree and indeed with the present problems and huge investment required it is the only answerbigjohnowls said:
Thats not a bad list SW and SD have indeed criticised their own Government.rural_voter said:
For a start, we could listen to MPs/Lords who know more than a bit about healthcaremurali_s said:
Is that your answer to everything? "I know it's bad mate, but you should come to Wales, it's far worse".Big_G_NorthWales said:
You do know Wales is far worse than England with terrible daily reports on ITV Wales and labour in serious trouble over itmurali_s said:
"Perceived crisis" - Simply LOLzBig_G_NorthWales said:
But still in the media's blitz on the government over the NHS crisis or perceived crisisTheScreamingEagles said:
The fieldwork for this poll was mostly conducted before the reshuffle.BannedInParis said:
All that noise and so little, so very little, heat.dr_spyn said:NHS Winter crisis hasn't turned into Corbyn's trump card.
Bumping along with a 1% polling lead.
https://twitter.com/britainelects/status/951453388889362432
especially with the Night of the Short Straws overkill about the reshuffle.
For once, stop trying to score political points and face the facts. The NHS is in crisis - a severe crisis - people are dying on hospital trolleys. That should shame us all. What as a country are we going to do about it?
Dr Sarah Wollaston
Dr/Lord David Owen
Stephen Dorrell ex-MP, involved in health for almost his whole political career
Norman Lamb
https://www.politicshome.com/news/uk/health-and-care/house/59135/stephen-dorrell-health-and-political-sloganising-dont-mix
There may be examples in Labour too but these were the first people I thought of who are prepared to put the NHS above short-term party politics.
I do agree with these call for a cross party solution, but can see why Labour thinks the current crisis is something of this Governments own making and wants to make Political Capital.
In my view both main parties reaching a concensus is much more important than point scoring. The problem is urgent both front benches should be involved in a tax hike solution.0 -
The clear trend at the moment is a Labour minority government with SNP confidence and supplyMikeL said:
Per UKPR advanced swingometer (keeping Scotland and Wales unchanged) it gives:HYUFD said:
That new Yougov poll would give 392 Labour 286 Tory and 14 LD MPs so still almost neck and neck on seats at the top though Labour would likely do a deal with the SNPdr_spyn said:NHS Winter crisis hasn't turned into Corbyn's trump card.
Bumping along with a 1% polling lead.
https://twitter.com/britainelects/status/951453388889362432
Lab 288, Con 287, LD 17, SNP 35
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The dustmen certainly don't! It gets lifted by the crane at the back of the machine and simply dumped into the bin.FrancisUrquhart said:
I will think you will find when they don’t specify either the dustmen have to separate as they go into different parts of the truck or when it gets to the depot it is sorted.Philip_Thompson said:
Many (most?) Councils simply collect "mixed recycling" rather than a separate glass and plastic bottle recycling. That will still have to be collected so there's no saving in labour unless you want to cancel mixed recycling collections?FrancisUrquhart said:
When I was in Germany, they just had a machine you feed your bottles into, and then it returned your cash. Then I presume a lorry comes and picks up the massive bin behind the machine.TGOHF said:
Pain in the neck for supermarkets - they have to do the work.FeersumEnjineeya said:
Germany does it, and we used to do it once upon a time. It seems bizarre that bottle deposits aren't being considered.FrancisUrquhart said:
I actually don't remember the debate. Why do they hate bottle deposits, say anymore than charging for bags? It doesn't seem that much of an imposition, and so many other countries I have been to have something along these lines.Ishmael_Z said:
We've had that argument: small retailers hate bottle deposits.FrancisUrquhart said:Greenpeace questioned why there was no mention of deposit return schemes for bottles
http://www.bbc.com/news/science-environment-42651480
I have to say, I have no idea why this is so difficult....You go to places like Canada and they have had it for donkeys years. It really isn't that complicated.
Good for TMay for this plan. The trouble is partly that it involves abolishing the large and utterly pointless bottled water industry (put taps eveywhere, and people can fill their own bottles). Cutting Vichy off at the knees would be the best political gesture ever, but there are UK players.
With reducing plastics they simply beat their suppliers over the head to find a solution.
I am sure the government could structure some sort of tax credit to make it cost efficient for supermarkets to put these machines in, remembering that the council will not be collecting glass and plastic bottles from homes anymore thus reducing the hugely inefficient use of labour there.
As for the depot that's still going to have to do sorting either way. Those depots are actually highly efficient places and there will not be any significant saving just from removing bottles from the mix while still sorting everything else.0 -
https://www.aardvarkstraws.com/logical_song said:
They used to be waxed paper.Big_G_NorthWales said:
The Industry has to produce bio degradable straws or other alternativesPhilip_Thompson said:
What would you have people who want a straw use at a restaurant instead of a straw then?Big_G_NorthWales said:
Single use straws are deadly killers of sea life and turtles. They are unnecessary and should be banned World wideSandyRentool said:
A clutching at straws tax? That would really hit the Remoaners!Big_G_NorthWales said:
They are being considered along with the impact of tax changes on single use coffee cups, takeaway boxes, straws etcFeersumEnjineeya said:
Germany does it, and we used to do it once upon a time. It seems bizarre that bottle deposits aren't being considered.FrancisUrquhart said:
I actually don't remember the debate. Why do they hate bottle deposits, say anymore than charging for bags? It doesn't seem that much of an imposition, and so many other countries I have been to have something along these lines.Ishmael_Z said:
We've had that argument: small retailers hate bottle deposits.FrancisUrquhart said:Greenpeace questioned why there was no mention of deposit return schemes for bottles
http://www.bbc.com/news/science-environment-42651480
I have to say, I have no idea why this is so difficult....You go to places like Canada and they have had it for donkeys years. It really isn't that complicated.
Good for TMay for this plan. The trouble is partly that it involves abolishing the large and utterly pointless bottled water industry (put taps eveywhere, and people can fill their own bottles). Cutting Vichy off at the knees would be the best political gesture ever, but there are UK players.
Do you want a reusable straw someone else has chewed on?0 -
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0b8mi7rSzkwFeersumEnjineeya said:
Yes, you take your empties back to the supermarket when you go shopping and feed them into a machine, which then typically dispenses a credit slip that you can use at the checkout when paying for your shopping. It seems to all work quite smoothly.FrancisUrquhart said:
When I was in Germany, they just had a machine you feed your bottles into, and then it returned your cash. Then I presume a lorry comes and picks up the massive bin behind the machine.TGOHF said:
Pain in the neck for supermarkets - they have to do the work.FeersumEnjineeya said:
Germany does it, and we used to do it once upon a time. It seems bizarre that bottle deposits aren't being considered.FrancisUrquhart said:
I actually don't remember the debate. Why do they hate bottle deposits, say anymore than charging for bags? It doesn't seem that much of an imposition, and so many other countries I have been to have something along these lines.Ishmael_Z said:
We've had that argument: small retailers hate bottle deposits.FrancisUrquhart said:Greenpeace questioned why there was no mention of deposit return schemes for bottles
http://www.bbc.com/news/science-environment-42651480
I have to say, I have no idea why this is so difficult....You go to places like Canada and they have had it for donkeys years. It really isn't that complicated.
Good for TMay for this plan. The trouble is partly that it involves abolishing the large and utterly pointless bottled water industry (put taps eveywhere, and people can fill their own bottles). Cutting Vichy off at the knees would be the best political gesture ever, but there are UK players.
With reducing plastics they simply beat their suppliers over the head to find a solution.
I am sure the government could structure some sort of tax credit to make it cost efficient for supermarkets to put these machines in, remembering that the council will not be collecting glass and plastic bottles from homes anymore thus reducing the hugely inefficient use of labour there.
Also, if people do leave bottles lying around after a celebration or something, then they generally get collected by kids and tramps keen to make a few coppers. When I was last there, the deposit was typically 25 cents per bottle.0 -
I think a lot of people will agree with him on that point, when push comes to shove.williamglenn said:
Farage said a few weeks ago that we'd be better off remaining in the EU than accepting the deal that May is negotiating.FF43 said:
That's possible. It's also possible he wants to frame the debate In?/Out? works better for him than "What do you want?"Big_G_NorthWales said:Has anyone thought that Farage suggestion for a second referendum is clever politics as it is more than likely to iritate many ordinary voters and turn public opinion against any prospect of a second referendum thereby dealing a blow to remainers great hope of changing the result
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Sorry 292 Labour 286 Tory and 14 LD, correctedFrancisUrquhart said:
TYPO alert....Good job it wasn't our OGH tweeting those seat figures.HYUFD said:
That new Yougov poll would give 392 Labour 286 Tory and 14 LD MPs so still almost neck and neck on seats at the top though Labour would likely do a deal with the SNPdr_spyn said:NHS Winter crisis hasn't turned into Corbyn's trump card.
Bumping along with a 1% polling lead.
https://twitter.com/britainelects/status/9514533888893624320 -
The incidence is on the tenant because that is where all the money in the pot comes from, regardless of the rhetoric.Philip_Thompson said:
Landlords do pay property tax in America. The tenant doesn't.Sandpit said:
Their next proposal will be that landlords should pay council tax. As if they think that won’t make any difference.brendan16 said:
Fire services are funded by council tax - so if you want more fire services presumably you need to pay for them somehow. Problem is his proposals would hit momentum central too hard - inner London, Brighton, Oxford and Cambridge renters!TheWhiteRabbit said:
He's Shadow Minister for Fire and Emergency Services - I doubt having a view on Council tax, which, although not Labour's position, is far from heretical would be grounds for resignationdr_spyn said:Williamson heading for the exit?
Nothing to do with his Council Tax proposals?
https://twitter.com/georgeeaton/status/951463804084383744
But it will allow them to attack landlords more for ever increasing rents.0 -
In Wales plastic and glass are separated by the home owner before they are put out in our trolley blocks. But Wales is far ahead in recycling generallyFrancisUrquhart said:
I will think you will find when they don’t specify either the dustmen have to separate as they go into different parts of the truck or when it gets to the depot it is sorted.Philip_Thompson said:
Many (most?) Councils simply collect "mixed recycling" rather than a separate glass and plastic bottle recycling. That will still have to be collected so there's no saving in labour unless you want to cancel mixed recycling collections?FrancisUrquhart said:
When I was in Germany, they just had a machine you feed your bottles into, and then it returned your cash. Then I presume a lorry comes and picks up the massive bin behind the machine.TGOHF said:
Pain in the neck for supermarkets - they have to do the work.FeersumEnjineeya said:
Germany does it, and we used to do it once upon a time. It seems bizarre that bottle deposits aren't being considered.FrancisUrquhart said:
I actually don't remember the debate. Why do they hate bottle deposits, say anymore than charging for bags? It doesn't seem that much of an imposition, and so many other countries I have been to have something along these lines.Ishmael_Z said:
We've had that argument: small retailers hate bottle deposits.FrancisUrquhart said:Greenpeace questioned why there was no mention of deposit return schemes for bottles
http://www.bbc.com/news/science-environment-42651480
I have to say, I have no idea why this is so difficult....You go to places like Canada and they have had it for donkeys years. It really isn't that complicated.
Good for TMay for this plan. The trouble is partly that it involves abolishing the large and utterly pointless bottled water industry (put taps eveywhere, and people can fill their own bottles). Cutting Vichy off at the knees would be the best political gesture ever, but there are UK players.
With reducing plastics they simply beat their suppliers over the head to find a solution.
I am sure the government could structure some sort of tax credit to make it cost efficient for supermarkets to put these machines in, remembering that the council will not be collecting glass and plastic bottles from homes anymore thus reducing the hugely inefficient use of labour there.0 -
There are two advantages with a deposit scheme. One is that there is a financial incentive to recycle bottles, rather than simply relying on the goodwill of consumers, thus making it more effective. Secondly, the collected bottles are usually not just recycled, but cleaned and reused, which is much more energy efficient than separating and melting down the glass or plastic to make new bottles.Philip_Thompson said:
Many (most?) Councils simply collect "mixed recycling" rather than a separate glass and plastic bottle recycling. That will still have to be collected so there's no saving in labour unless you want to cancel mixed recycling collections?FrancisUrquhart said:
When I was in Germany, they just had a machine you feed your bottles into, and then it returned your cash. Then I presume a lorry comes and picks up the massive bin behind the machine.TGOHF said:
Pain in the neck for supermarkets - they have to do the work.FeersumEnjineeya said:
Germany does it, and we used to do it once upon a time. It seems bizarre that bottle deposits aren't being considered.FrancisUrquhart said:
I actually don't remember the debate. Why do they hate bottle deposits, say anymore than charging for bags? It doesn't seem that much of an imposition, and so many other countries I have been to have something along these lines.Ishmael_Z said:
We've had that argument: small retailers hate bottle deposits.FrancisUrquhart said:Greenpeace questioned why there was no mention of deposit return schemes for bottles
http://www.bbc.com/news/science-environment-42651480
I have to say, I have no idea why this is so difficult....You go to places like Canada and they have had it for donkeys years. It really isn't that complicated.
Good for TMay for this plan. The trouble is partly that it involves abolishing the large and utterly pointless bottled water industry (put taps eveywhere, and people can fill their own bottles). Cutting Vichy off at the knees would be the best political gesture ever, but there are UK players.
With reducing plastics they simply beat their suppliers over the head to find a solution.
I am sure the government could structure some sort of tax credit to make it cost efficient for supermarkets to put these machines in, remembering that the council will not be collecting glass and plastic bottles from homes anymore thus reducing the hugely inefficient use of labour there.0 -
RobD said:
Sounds as though the appeal has been refused.david_herdson said:
That's not news, is it?TheScreamingEagles said:Oh dear, Katie Hopkins now facing a huge costs bill
https://twitter.com/Greg_Callus/status/951473074041442304
https://www.lawgazette.co.uk/news/katie-hopkins-to-appeal/5060323.article
It's still amusing though.
Appeal not allowed.
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There really isn't much in it. A 2-3% swing either way from that could deliver the Conservatives or Labour a working majority.MikeL said:
Per UKPR advanced swingometer (keeping Scotland and Wales unchanged) it gives:HYUFD said:
That new Yougov poll would give 392 Labour 286 Tory and 14 LD MPs so still almost neck and neck on seats at the top though Labour would likely do a deal with the SNPdr_spyn said:NHS Winter crisis hasn't turned into Corbyn's trump card.
Bumping along with a 1% polling lead.
https://twitter.com/britainelects/status/951453388889362432
Lab 288, Con 287, LD 17, SNP 35
http://ukpollingreport.co.uk/advanced-swingometer-map
And the polls could stay pretty much the same from today until the last month prior to GE2022, and then suddenly tack in someone's favour in the final few weeks.
We just don't know.0 -
I understand that on an environmental level but Mr Urquhart was proposing tax credits on supermarkets paid for by reducing council expenditure on recycling collection at the doorstep. However there won't be any significant reduced expenditure on collection as the collection and sorting will still need to occur anyway.FeersumEnjineeya said:There are two advantages with a deposit scheme. One is that there is a financial incentive to recycle bottles, rather than simply relying on the goodwill of consumers, thus making it more effective. Secondly, the collected bottles are usually not just recycled, but cleaned and reused, which is much more energy efficient than separating and melting down the glass or plastic to make new bottles.
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They give him diplomatic status ... ?Big_G_NorthWales said:
The only problem is how he gets from the embassy to heathrow without being arrestedTheuniondivvie said:Perhaps Farage gave him advice on dual citizenship.
https://twitter.com/PA/status/951488032917671936
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They tried, the UK refused to recognise it.Nigelb said:
They give him diplomatic status ... ?Big_G_NorthWales said:
The only problem is how he gets from the embassy to heathrow without being arrestedTheuniondivvie said:Perhaps Farage gave him advice on dual citizenship.
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I didn’t say paid for, i hypothesised that would enable garbage collection to be more efficient so there would be some offset.Philip_Thompson said:
I understand that on an environmental level but Mr Urquhart was proposing tax credits on supermarkets paid for by reducing council expenditure on recycling collection at the doorstep. However there won't be any significant reduced expenditure on collection as the collection and sorting will still need to occur anyway.FeersumEnjineeya said:There are two advantages with a deposit scheme. One is that there is a financial incentive to recycle bottles, rather than simply relying on the goodwill of consumers, thus making it more effective. Secondly, the collected bottles are usually not just recycled, but cleaned and reused, which is much more energy efficient than separating and melting down the glass or plastic to make new bottles.
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Those LD numbers assume they pick up a seat from the SNP and Plaid and Sheffield Hallam from Labour as well as 2 Tory seatsMikeL said:
Per UKPR advanced swingometer (keeping Scotland and Wales unchanged) it gives:HYUFD said:
That new Yougov poll would give 392 Labour 286 Tory and 14 LD MPs so still almost neck and neck on seats at the top though Labour would likely do a deal with the SNPdr_spyn said:NHS Winter crisis hasn't turned into Corbyn's trump card.
Bumping along with a 1% polling lead.
https://twitter.com/britainelects/status/951453388889362432
Lab 288, Con 287, LD 17, SNP 35
http://ukpollingreport.co.uk/advanced-swingometer-map0 -
@SandpitSandpit said:
But a house full of students currently pays no council tax at all, are they proposing to change that? A Hall of Residence isn’t a profit centre for a university, they’ll just pass on any mandated increase in costs to their students - and make the university comparatively unpopular with those for whom costs of living are important. Only rich kids can afford to study at Bristol.FrancisUrquhart said:
In Bristol, the Maomentumers are proposing things along those lines e.g. University should pay council tax for each student in uni accommodation.Sandpit said:
Their next proposal will be that landlords should pay council tax. As if they think that won’t make any difference.brendan16 said:
Fire services are funded by council tax - so if you want more fire services presumably you need to pay for them somehow. Problem is his proposals would hit momentum central too hard - inner London, Brighton, Oxford and Cambridge renters!TheWhiteRabbit said:
He's Shadow Minister for Fire and Emergency Services - I doubt having a view on Council tax, which, although not Labour's position, is far from heretical would be grounds for resignationdr_spyn said:Williamson heading for the exit?
Nothing to do with his Council Tax proposals?
https://twitter.com/georgeeaton/status/951463804084383744
But it will allow them to attack landlords more for ever increasing rents.
Do you have evidence for that last one - "halls are not profit centres"?
I think if you study the long term rent charges at University Halls of Residence you will find them increasing much faster than inflation with no improvements to the halls.
In our local University in one hall that I know about the charges to students increased by inflation + 50% over one decade by inflation + about 3-4% each year. No improvements to the hall paid for by the university.
They probably call it something different, due to being a charity.0 -
Yeah, I was trying to say that (and failing, miserably).David_Evershed said:RobD said:
Sounds as though the appeal has been refused.david_herdson said:
That's not news, is it?TheScreamingEagles said:Oh dear, Katie Hopkins now facing a huge costs bill
twitter.com/Greg_Callus/status/951473074041442304
www.lawgazette.co.uk/news/katie-hopkins-to-appeal/5060323.article
It's still amusing though.
Appeal not allowed.0 -
But are Wales' recycling rates higher than in England.Big_G_NorthWales said:
In Wales plastic and glass are separated by the home owner before they are put out in our trolley blocks. But Wales is far ahead in recycling generallyFrancisUrquhart said:
I will think you will find when they don’t specify either the dustmen have to separate as they go into different parts of the truck or when it gets to the depot it is sorted.Philip_Thompson said:
Many (most?) Councils simply collect "mixed recycling" rather than a separate glass and plastic bottle recycling. That will still have to be collected so there's no saving in labour unless you want to cancel mixed recycling collections?FrancisUrquhart said:
When I was in Germany, they just had a machine you feed your bottles into, and then it returned your cash. Then I presume a lorry comes and picks up the massive bin behind the machine.TGOHF said:
Pain in the neck for supermarkets - they have to do the work.FeersumEnjineeya said:
Germany does it, and we used to do it once upon a time. It seems bizarre that bottle deposits aren't being considered.FrancisUrquhart said:
I actually don't remember the debate. Why do they hate bottle deposits, say anymore than charging for bags? It doesn't seem that much of an imposition, and so many other countries I have been to have something along these lines.Ishmael_Z said:
We've had that argument: small retailers hate bottle deposits.FrancisUrquhart said:Greenpeace questioned why there was no mention of deposit return schemes for bottles
http://www.bbc.com/news/science-environment-42651480
I have to say, I have no idea why this is so difficult....You go to places like Canada and they have had it for donkeys years. It really isn't that complicated.
Good for TMay for this plan. The trouble is partly that it involves abolishing the large and utterly pointless bottled water industry (put taps eveywhere, and people can fill their own bottles). Cutting Vichy off at the knees would be the best political gesture ever, but there are UK players.
With reducing plastics they simply beat their suppliers over the head to find a solution.
I am sure the government could structure some sort of tax credit to make it cost efficient for supermarkets to put these machines in, remembering that the council will not be collecting glass and plastic bottles from homes anymore thus reducing the hugely inefficient use of labour there.
My area, Aylesbury Vale, achieves 54%. The best is Oxfordshire which achieves 70%0 -
Yes, that's a fair point. Other recyclables are still collected at the doorstep in Germany. One big plus with the German system is that it is a unified national system: a blue bin for card and paper, a yellow sack for other recyclable materials, a green bin for organic waste and a (small!) black bin for anything else. Gove's idea of doing the same in the UK is a good one.Philip_Thompson said:
I understand that on an environmental level but Mr Urquhart was proposing tax credits on supermarkets paid for by reducing council expenditure on recycling collection at the doorstep. However there won't be any significant reduced expenditure on collection as the collection and sorting will still need to occur anyway.FeersumEnjineeya said:There are two advantages with a deposit scheme. One is that there is a financial incentive to recycle bottles, rather than simply relying on the goodwill of consumers, thus making it more effective. Secondly, the collected bottles are usually not just recycled, but cleaned and reused, which is much more energy efficient than separating and melting down the glass or plastic to make new bottles.
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Baxtering the Scottish sub-sample figures on their own (I know, I know...) suggest a much bigger SNP gain, and a mortal blow to Ruth Davidson's ambition/reputation!HYUFD said:
Those LD numbers assume they pick up a seat from the SNP and Plaid and Sheffield Hallam from Labour as well as 2 Tory seatsMikeL said:
Per UKPR advanced swingometer (keeping Scotland and Wales unchanged) it gives:HYUFD said:
That new Yougov poll would give 392 Labour 286 Tory and 14 LD MPs so still almost neck and neck on seats at the top though Labour would likely do a deal with the SNPdr_spyn said:NHS Winter crisis hasn't turned into Corbyn's trump card.
Bumping along with a 1% polling lead.
https://twitter.com/britainelects/status/951453388889362432
Lab 288, Con 287, LD 17, SNP 35
http://ukpollingreport.co.uk/advanced-swingometer-map0 -
He’s struggling with the fact that his job is done, and it’s now for the elected British government to work out how to best implement the vote for Brexit.Brom said:
I doubt Nigel has any concern what people think about him and that's partly why he's been so successful. The guy had the last laugh against the Europhiles and his place in history is assured, I do agree though that he is struggling for a purpose somewhat since Britain decided to leave.murali_s said:
+1Stark_Dawning said:I feel a bit sorry for Nigel Farage. The Tory Right were happy to defect to his party when that was a way of causing no end of trouble for Dave; but now that he's outlived his usefulness to them they're being beastly to him and calling him the most frightful names. What a cynical and ungrateful bunch!
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It’s up to the council what their levels of council tax are though. If Westminster council choose to raise money with a small army of traffic wardens rather than from their own residents in council tax, then that’s up to them. How much should Westmisnster council be obliged to raise from their residents, and what should they be obliged to do with the surplus?brendan16 said:
They could just not allow oligarchs and other rich individuals owning high band properties to claim single person discount on their £65 million One Hyde Park mansions and design a fairer grant system that doesn't over fund central London boroughs so much that they are forced to raise their Band H council tax anyway. This would ensure said bachelor oligarchs end up paying a lot more than the pathetic £1k a year in council tax which is all they pay presently when pensioner couples elsewhere are paying £3500 a year on more out in the sticks!Sandpit said:
Their next proposal will be that landlords should pay council tax. As if they think that won’t make any difference.brendan16 said:
Fire services are funded by council tax - so if you want more fire services presumably you need to pay for them somehow. Problem is his proposals would hit momentum central too hard - inner London, Brighton, Oxford and Cambridge renters!TheWhiteRabbit said:
He's Shadow Minister for Fire and Emergency Services - I doubt having a view on Council tax, which, although not Labour's position, is far from heretical would be grounds for resignationdr_spyn said:Williamson heading for the exit?
Nothing to do with his Council Tax proposals?
https://twitter.com/georgeeaton/status/951463804084383744
But it will allow them to attack landlords more for ever increasing rents.0 -
https://www.twitter.com/Effy_Yeomans/status/951128851979096065
I have indeed read into that what I liked.0 -
Just had a thought... is this the start of a leadership campaign for Nige???0
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It isn't actually up to the council as the government provides a large share of the funding via business rates and grants, And there are government imposed referendum limits which restrict rises - oddly the government isn't required to hold referendums to raise taxes above inflation but councils are!Sandpit said:
It’s up to the council what their levels of council tax are though. If Westminster council choose to raise money with a small army of traffic wardens rather than from their own residents in council tax, then that’s up to them. How much should Westmisnster council be obliged to raise from their residents, and what should they be obliged to do with the surplus?brendan16 said:
They could just not allow oligarchs and other rich individuals owning high band properties to claim single person discount on their £65 million One Hyde Park mansions and design a fairer grant system that doesn't over fund central London boroughs so much that they are forced to raise their Band H council tax anyway. This would ensure said bachelor oligarchs end up paying a lot more than the pathetic £1k a year in council tax which is all they pay presently when pensioner couples elsewhere are paying £3500 a year on more out in the sticks!Sandpit said:
Their next proposal will be that landlords should pay council tax. As if they think that won’t make any difference.brendan16 said:
Fire services are funded by council tax - so if you want more fire services presumably you need to pay for them somehow. Problem is his proposals would hit momentum central too hard - inner London, Brighton, Oxford and Cambridge renters!TheWhiteRabbit said:
He's Shadow Minister for Fire and Emergency Services - I doubt having a view on Council tax, which, although not Labour's position, is far from heretical would be grounds for resignationdr_spyn said:Williamson heading for the exit?
Nothing to do with his Council Tax proposals?
https://twitter.com/georgeeaton/status/951463804084383744
But it will allow them to attack landlords more for ever increasing rents.
So how grants and rates are distributed makes a huge difference. Do you really think central London boroughs - which have the lowest band D taxes - are more efficient than other councils or do they just get too much funding via parking, business rates and council tax.
It is an absolute disgrace that someone living in an apartment worth tens of millions can pay as little as £1k a year in property tax when in Manhattan or Paris they would pay many times that.
All because the current system is grossly regressive and secondly because the distribution of funding by government reflects historic quirks not current need.0 -
Many (most?) Councils simply collect "mixed recycling" rather than a separate glass and plastic bottle recycling. That will still have to be collected so there's no saving in labour unless you want to cancel mixed recycling collections?
I will think you will find when they don’t specify either the dustmen have to separate as they go into different parts of the truck or when it gets to the depot it is sorted.
In Wales plastic and glass are separated by the home owner before they are put out in our trolley blocks. But Wales is far ahead in recycling generally
But are Wales' recycling rates higher than in England.
My area, Aylesbury Vale, achieves 54%. The best is Oxfordshire which achieves 70%
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At 64% Wales is well ahead of the rest of the UK, second in Europe, and third in the World recycling tables.
Very proud of these figures - indeed our LA is thinking of four weekly bin collections rather than the present three0 -
We used to have separate bins for paper, plastic and bottles but now we have only one and machinery is used to separate it out at the depot.Big_G_NorthWales said:
In Wales plastic and glass are separated by the home owner before they are put out in our trolley blocks. But Wales is far ahead in recycling generallyFrancisUrquhart said:
I will think you will find when they don’t specify either the dustmen have to separate as they go into different parts of the truck or when it gets to the depot it is sorted.Philip_Thompson said:
Many (most?) Councils simply collect "mixed recycling" rather than a separate glass and plastic bottle recycling. That will still have to be collected so there's no saving in labour unless you want to cancel mixed recycling collections?FrancisUrquhart said:
When I was in Germany, they just had a machine you feed your bottles into, and then it returned your cash. Then I presume a lorry comes and picks up the massive bin behind the machine.TGOHF said:
Pain in the neck for supermarkets - they have to do the work.FeersumEnjineeya said:
Germany does it, and we used to do it once upon a time. It seems bizarre that bottle deposits aren't being considered.FrancisUrquhart said:
I actually don't remember the debate. Why do they hate bottle deposits, say anymore than charging for bags? It doesn't seem that much of an imposition, and so many other countries I have been to have something along these lines.Ishmael_Z said:
We've had that argument: small retailers hate bottle deposits.FrancisUrquhart said:Greenpeace questioned why there was no mention of deposit return schemes for bottles
http://www.bbc.com/news/science-environment-42651480
I have to say, I have no idea why this is so difficult....You go to places like Canada and they have had it for donkeys years. It really isn't that complicated.
Good for TMay for this plan. The trouble is partly that it involves abolishing the large and utterly pointless bottled water industry (put taps eveywhere, and people can fill their own bottles). Cutting Vichy off at the knees would be the best political gesture ever, but there are UK players.
With reducing plastics they simply beat their suppliers over the head to find a solution.
I am sure the government could structure some sort of tax credit to make it cost efficient for supermarkets to put these machines in, remembering that the council will not be collecting glass and plastic bottles from homes anymore thus reducing the hugely inefficient use of labour there.
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What - of the LibDems?TheWhiteRabbit said:Just had a thought... is this the start of a leadership campaign for Nige???
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Further thought. Assange would only be a diplomat in the UK if he was accredited to the UK - not going to happen. An Ecuadorean representative to a UN body? Up to the UN to accredit him. In the Diplomatic Bag? The UK seizes the container first and pulls out Assange. The Ecuadoreans make a complaint about the UK's violation of immunity because it opened the bag, containing non-immune material, ie Assange. By then it's too late.FF43 said:
Smuggle him out in the diplomatic bag? Can you make someone a diplomat and give them the status AFTER they have entered the country?Big_G_NorthWales said:
The only problem is how he gets from the embassy to heathrow without being arrestedTheuniondivvie said:Perhaps Farage gave him advice on dual citizenship.
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Another referendum. Double and quits.0
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ITV Wales headlines - NHS A & E patients being told they do not need to be there
But also Wales Education - Schools at breaking point following funding crisis
Labour failing in Wales on health and education0 -
Good news for remoaners. If Farage became UKIP leader again, remainers could all vote for UKIP knowing that Farage was demanding a second referendum.0
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I fear they’re about to test the rules of diplomatic bags. Would be a shame if the bag ended up on board an unpressurised cargo plane...Big_G_NorthWales said:
The only problem is how he gets from the embassy to heathrow without being arrestedTheuniondivvie said:Perhaps Farage gave him advice on dual citizenship.
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I will think you will find when they don’t specify either the dustmen have to separate as they go into different parts of the truck or when it gets to the depot it is sorted.Big_G_NorthWales said:
Many (most?) Councils simply collect "mixed recycling" rather than a separate glass and plastic bottle recycling. That will still have to be collected so there's no saving in labour unless you want to cancel mixed recycling collections?
In Wales plastic and glass are separated by the home owner before they are put out in our trolley blocks. But Wales is far ahead in recycling generally
But are Wales' recycling rates higher than in England.
My area, Aylesbury Vale, achieves 54%. The best is Oxfordshire which achieves 70%
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At 64% Wales is well ahead of the rest of the UK, second in Europe, and third in the World recycling tables.
Very proud of these figures - indeed our LA is thinking of four weekly bin collections rather than the present three
Glad to see Wales is doing something right!0 -
Even then that makes zero difference to the overall picture, a Labour minority government with SNP confidence and supply.sarissa said:
Baxtering the Scottish sub-sample figures on their own (I know, I know...) suggest a much bigger SNP gain, and a mortal blow to Ruth Davidson's ambition/reputation!HYUFD said:
Those LD numbers assume they pick up a seat from the SNP and Plaid and Sheffield Hallam from Labour as well as 2 Tory seatsMikeL said:
Per UKPR advanced swingometer (keeping Scotland and Wales unchanged) it gives:HYUFD said:
That new Yougov poll would give 392 Labour 286 Tory and 14 LD MPs so still almost neck and neck on seats at the top though Labour would likely do a deal with the SNPdr_spyn said:NHS Winter crisis hasn't turned into Corbyn's trump card.
Bumping along with a 1% polling lead.
https://twitter.com/britainelects/status/951453388889362432
Lab 288, Con 287, LD 17, SNP 35
http://ukpollingreport.co.uk/advanced-swingometer-map
With polls for Holyrood showing a unionist majority in 2021 we could end up with the SNP holding the balance of power at Westminster but losing their majority with the Greens at Holyrood0 -
Great news – our universities have exceeded expectations and produced over one in four graduates with first class degrees and two thirds of the rest getting upper seconds. Students obviously working harder nowadays, as the BBC confirms.0
