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I think that's nonsense. Well, as much nonsense as the excitable Tory MPs who thought they'd be in power until the 2040s at the peak of the Maygasm, when Labour under Corbyn looked finished.SouthamObserver said:
I suspect it will be for a lot longer than five years. The Tories are already tired and out of ideas. Another seven years in office will exhaust them completely - and give Labour a built-in Tory Brexit excuse for everything that goes wrong on their watch. If I am still alive in 2027, I expect that I will have seen my last Tory government (I'll be 64).Casino_Royale said:
I'm kind of ok with that. In GE2027 the Tories will have been in power for 17 years. It's healthy for democracy for there to be a change and for the Tories to think about renewing themselves in opposition.SouthamObserver said:
Corbyn will ensure the Tories have a great chance of winning next time. It's the election after that which is likely to lay them very low indeed and probably for a fair amount of time.HYUFD said:
NoBig_G_NorthWales said:
The need for the new leader post Brexit is to regain the remainers, UKIP is dying and will be gone by summer 2019HYUFD said:
NoBig_G_NorthWales said:
It is over for the old guard and for Boris and Davis.HYUFD said:
The biggest swing from the Tories in the polls since the general election has not been to Labour but to UKIP, Hunt is not going to win them back, Boris or Davis might.Big_G_NorthWales said:
ToHYUFD said:
She will go certainly by the end of the transition period most likely replaced by Davis or Boris with Gove also a contender if he does not back the latterStocky said:Mike says that May may like to continue to the next election but I cannot see how this would work.
She will either fight or not fight the next election. If she doesn`t fight it then she will have to step down well before the next election for a successor to establish him/herself.
I just hope it's opposition for only 5 years, rather than another 13 or more ;-)
Sooner or later, Labour will overtax, overspend, or try and push too much radical change the electorate don't like that alienates floating voters. At the same time, the Tories will look to harry, exploit weakness and put themselves in a competitive position - politics never remains static.0 -
Topping I would accept the anti imperialism argument to an extent (for some anyway) is that wrong in itself?
For example despite anti imperial agendas you don't see much criticism (I don't mean nobody ever and there is always some valid criticism or room for improvement in every thing that it is done) if there is just an aid effort or something good say by America or Britain is they contain their anti imperialist urges to just criticising the stuff they do wrong then that is a good thing I would say.
I have always believed in an element of cleaning up your own mess before criticising others (can't remember the saying) so we in the West should be very vigilant of our own injustices so we can criticise others and lead by example.
The problem with Corbyn will come unstuck is I don't see how it happens before he comes into power, we have had a couple of votes on the EU and the press have a had a field day with him and there has been little affect. Is he really going to come unstuck before winning an election?
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Since 1979 we have had 17 years of Tory government followed by 13 years of Labour government followed by (if we go to 2022) a minimum of 12 years of Tory led government. The pattern of the 60s and 70s when each election seemed to threaten a change is irredeemably broken. There are huge advantages in incumbency and governments have to both screw up really badly and be facing a credible opposition to be thrown out.HHemmelig said:
When I was at university circa 1995, a now forgotten Major cabinet minister Roger Freeman MP came to address the student Tories. In private conversation he said how defeat in 97 wouldn't be so bad as Blair would quickly lose popularity and the Tories would reinvigorate in opposition and be back in power a few years later. Didnt quite work out way did it, and Freeman clearly didnt expect to lose his own seat.SouthamObserver said:
I suspect it will be for a lot longer than five years. The Tories are already tired and out of ideas. Another seven years in office will exhaust them completely - and give Labour a built-in Tory Brexit excuse for everything that goes wrong on their watch. If I am still alive in 2027, I expect that I will have seen my last Tory government (I'll be 64).Casino_Royale said:
more ;-)SouthamObserver said:
Corbyn will ensure the Tories have a great chance of winning next time. It's the election after that which is likely to lay them very low indeed and probably for a fair amount of time.HYUFD said:
specially IHTBig_G_NorthWales said:
The need for the new leader post Brexit is to regain the remainers, UKIP is dying and will be gone by summer 2019HYUFD said:Big_G_NorthWales said:HYUFD said:Big_G_NorthWales said:
The electorate naturally fluctuates between being angry with Labour for messing up the economy, and being angry with the Tories for messing up public services. When Labour do next get in, they'll be in for a fair while.
It is easy to forecast that Corbyn and McDonnell will screw up badly but any Tory would be very foolish to underestimate just how hard it is to chuck out a government in this country.0 -
Corbyn will have licence for a few years, if he does win, and will blame his failings and mistakes on anyone but himself, but sooner or later his ideology will butt up against reality.IanB2 said:
I'm not so sure; it could easily be the other way around. Losing again under Corbyn would hit Labour hard, and another spell in opposition could very easily start a sequence of events that leads to a re-shaping of politics on the centre left. Whereas if Corbyn wins, particularly if narrowly, so that his wackier ideas are constrained by the SNP or LDs, the Tories could easily be out of office for some time - particularly if their Brexit is very obviously going sour.Casino_Royale said:
I'm kind of ok with that. In GE2027 the Tories will have been in power for 17 years. It's healthy for democracy for there to be a change and for the Tories to think about renewing themselves in opposition.SouthamObserver said:
Corbyn will ensure the Tories have a great chance of winning next time. It's the election after that which is likely to lay them very low indeed and probably for a fair amount of time.HYUFD said:
NoBig_G_NorthWales said:
The need for the new leader post Brexit is to regain the remainers, UKIP is dying and will be gone by summer 2019HYUFD said:
No it is not, as I said Boris is no more 'old guard' than Hunt and it is Tory to UKIP voters the Tories need to focus on, those who voted for Corbyn in June will almost all certainly vote for him again next time regardless of the Tory leader.Big_G_NorthWales said:
It is over for the old guard and for Boris and Davis.HYUFD said:
The biggest swing from the Tories in the polls since the general election has not been to Labour but to UKIP, Hunt is not going to win them back, Boris or Davis might.Big_G_NorthWales said:
I just hope it's opposition for only 5 years, rather than another 13 or more ;-)0 -
The electorate seems to be inclined to give parties a pretty long run in power. if the Tories do win in 2022, they will be in office for years after Labour was in office for 13 years after the Tories were in office for 18 years. The brief period of back and forth between Labour and the Tories from 64 to 79 was the exception, not the rule.HHemmelig said:
When I was at university circa 1995, a now forgotten Major cabinet minister Roger Freeman MP came to address the student Tories. In private conversation he said how defeat in 97 wouldn't be so bad as Blair would quickly lose popularity and the Tories would reinvigorate in opposition and be back in power a few years later. Didnt quite work out way did it, and Freeman clearly didnt expect to lose his own seat.SouthamObserver said:
I suspect (I'll be 64).Casino_Royale said:
more ;-)SouthamObserver said:
Corbyn will ensure the Tories have a great chance of winning next time. It's the election after that which is likely to lay them very low indeed and probably for a fair amount of time.HYUFD said:
specially IHTBig_G_NorthWales said:
The need for the new leader post Brexit is to regain the remainers, UKIP is dying and will be gone by summer 2019HYUFD said:
No it is not, as I said Boris is no more 'old guard' than Hunt and it is Tory to UKIP voters the Tories need to focus on, those who voted for Corbyn in June will almost all certainly vote for him again next time regardless of the Tory leader.Big_G_NorthWales said:
It is over for the old guard and for Boris and Davis.HYUFD said:
The biggest swing from the Tories in the polls since the general election has not been to Labour but to UKIP, Hunt is not going to win them back, Boris or Davis might.Big_G_NorthWales said:
ToHYUFD said:
She will go certainly by the end of the transition period most likely replaced by Davis or Boris with Gove also a contender if he does not back the latterStocky said:Mike says that May may like to continue to the next election but I cannot see how this would work.
She will either fight or not fight the next election. If she doesn`t fight it then she will have to step down well before the next election for a successor to establish him/herself.
The electorate naturally fluctuates between being angry with Labour for messing up the economy, and being angry with the Tories for messing up public services. When Labour do next get in, they'll be in for a fair while.
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Who knows?DavidL said:
Since 1979 we have had 17 years of Tory government followed by 13 years of Labour government followed by (if we go to 2022) a minimum of 12 years of Tory led government. The pattern of the 60s and 70s when each election seemed to threaten a change is irredeemably broken. There are huge advantages in incumbency and governments have to both screw up really badly and be facing a credible opposition to be thrown out.HHemmelig said:
When I was at university circa 1995, a now forgotten Major cabinet minister Roger Freeman MP came to address the student Tories. In private conversation he said how defeat in 97 wouldn't be so bad as Blair would quickly lose popularity and the Tories would reinvigorate in opposition and be back in power a few years later. Didnt quite work out way did it, and Freeman clearly didnt expect to lose his own seat.SouthamObserver said:
I suspect it will be for a lot longer than five years. The Tories are already tired and out of ideas. Another seven years in office will exhaust them completely - and give Labour a built-in Tory Brexit excuse for everything that goes wrong on their watch. If I am still alive in 2027, I expect that I will have seen my last Tory government (I'll be 64).Casino_Royale said:
more ;-)SouthamObserver said:
Corbyn will ensure the Tories have a great chance of winning next time. It's the election after that which is likely to lay them very low indeed and probably for a fair amount of time.HYUFD said:
specially IHTBig_G_NorthWales said:
The need for the new leader post Brexit is to regain the remainers, UKIP is dying and will be gone by summer 2019HYUFD said:Big_G_NorthWales said:HYUFD said:Big_G_NorthWales said:
The electorate naturally fluctuates between being angry with Labour for messing up the economy, and being angry with the Tories for messing up public services. When Labour do next get in, they'll be in for a fair while.
It is easy to forecast that Corbyn and McDonnell will screw up badly but any Tory would be very foolish to underestimate just how hard it is to chuck out a government in this country.
I'm not sure there are any rules anymore.0 -
Sorry I am going to do a @Cyclefree on you but I must dash!! Apols was good speaking with you.TheJezziah said:Topping I would accept the anti imperialism argument to an extent (for some anyway) is that wrong in itself?
For example despite anti imperial agendas you don't see much criticism (I don't mean nobody ever and there is always some valid criticism or room for improvement in every thing that it is done) if there is just an aid effort or something good say by America or Britain is they contain their anti imperialist urges to just criticising the stuff they do wrong then that is a good thing I would say.
I have always believed in an element of cleaning up your own mess before criticising others (can't remember the saying) so we in the West should be very vigilant of our own injustices so we can criticise others and lead by example.
The problem with Corbyn will come unstuck is I don't see how it happens before he comes into power, we have had a couple of votes on the EU and the press have a had a field day with him and there has been little affect. Is he really going to come unstuck before winning an election?
Til next time.0 -
I'd fancy Labour to have at least two terms if they got in the at the next election.0
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Yes, regarding politics tactics, he knows what he's doing.The_Apocalypse said:
While don’t know about Corbyn getting unstuck (a lot of people are determined to project a certain image onto him) you are absolutely right re your second paragraph. It’s reflected in Curtice’s observation that Labour attracted most of all, not left wing voters but socially liberal voters. I suspect Corbyn knows that young people who voted for him care more about issues concerning identity politics/progressive causes than his particular brand of socialism that’s why he’s framing his ideology in terms of issues concerning austerity and home ownership.Casino_Royale said:
Corbyn will come unstuck (eventually) because unlike his most fanatical supporters most people (even the very young) aren't motivated today by class conflict, or steeped in Trade Union traditions, and expect consumer choice and the chance to own their home.Sean_F said:Big_G_NorthWales said:
The need for the new leader post Brexit is to regain the remainers, UKIP is dying and will be gone by summer 2019HYUFD said:
No it is not, vote for him again next time regardless of the Tory leader.Big_G_NorthWales said:
It is over for the old guard and for Boris and Davis.HYUFD said:
The biggest might.Big_G_NorthWales said:
They (or at least a large number of them) are interested in internationalism and progressive causes on identity politics, the environment and animal rights, but his core socialist ideology is a minority taste and what support for it that exists is generally based on the belief he will offer more spending and free-stuff at no-cost to them.0 -
Yes good talking with you too Topping I should go too, thanks for debating all and apologies for talking too much!0
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More likely someone advising him does. There has been a very marked improvement in Labour's political tactics since late 2016. My hunch that that is because some of the old gang are back behind the scenes.Casino_Royale said:Yes, regarding politics tactics, he knows what he's doing.
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It probably won't be hard for Labour to buy a 2nd term with a massive spending splurge, blaming any economic problems on the Tories' handling of Brexit.Casino_Royale said:
I think that's nonsense. Well, as much nonsense as the excitable Tory MPs who thought they'd be in power until the 2040s at the peak of the Maygasm, when Labour under Corbyn looked finished.SouthamObserver said:
I suspect it will be for a lot longer than five years. The Tories are already tired and out of ideas. Another seven years in office will exhaust them completely - and give Labour a built-in Tory Brexit excuse for everything that goes wrong on their watch. If I am still alive in 2027, I expect that I will have seen my last Tory government (I'll be 64).Casino_Royale said:
I'm kind of ok with that. In GE2027 the Tories will have been in power for 17 years. It's healthy for democracy for there to be a change and for the Tories to think about renewing themselves in opposition.SouthamObserver said:
Corbyn will ensure the Tories have a great chance of winning next time. It's the election after that which is likely to lay them very low indeed and probably for a fair amount of time.HYUFD said:
NoBig_G_NorthWales said:
The need for the new leader post Brexit is to regain the remainers, UKIP is dying and will be gone by summer 2019HYUFD said:
NoBig_G_NorthWales said:
It is over for the and Davis.HYUFD said:
The biggest swing from the Tories in the polls since the general election has not been to Labour but to UKIP, Hunt is not going to win them back, Boris or Davis might.Big_G_NorthWales said:
ToHYUFD said:
She will go certainly by the end of the transition period most likely replaced by Davis or Boris with Gove also a contender if he does not back the latterStocky said:Mike says that May may like to continue to the next election but I cannot see how this would work.
She will either fight or not fight the next election. If she doesn`t fight it then she will have to step down well before the next election for a successor to establish him/herself.
I just hope it's opposition for only 5 years, rather than another 13 or more ;-)
Sooner or later, Labour will overtax, overspend, or try and push too much radical change the electorate don't like that alienates floating voters. At the same time, the Tories will look to harry, exploit weakness and put themselves in a competitive position - politics never remains static.0 -
Although I agree with you on the principle, the problem is that Leavers don't think there are any consequences to their vote. That's Project Fear. Anything bad that happens has nothing to do with them so it must be the Tory government's fault. OTOH Remainers expect Brexit to be bad and a perfectly willing to blame the Tories for it. The tricky act the government needs to carry off is to ensure as little change with Brexit as possible while pretending everything is completely different. I am not sure they are clever enough to do it and the EU won't necessarily co-operate.Richard_Nabavi said:
Any damage done to the economy will be as a result of the referendum result. It's damage which voters wanted, mistakenly in my view, but there we go. It would be catastrophic to double up and add Corbynomics to the mix.AlastairMeeks said:Don't get me wrong, I'm not a Corbynite. But dedicated Conservatives seem determined to underestimate just how much damage they are doing to the country at present. So throwing up their hands in horror at the prospect of a Labour government isn't the slam dunk they think it is.
Corbyn/McDonnell want to recast the Labour Party. They can only fully do that if they get into government, which means winning over those that don't share their agenda. It's a balancing act for them too.0 -
Mr. Nabavi, indeed, aiding and abetting the far left. Depressing indeed.
Mr. Hemmelig, that's a plausible result. Corbyn would be a ****ing disaster for this country.
And, on that cheery note, I am off.0 -
+1. This reminds of Cleverly actually. He seems to think the Tories issue is that they weren’t combative enough when actually the Tory Press has spent the last two years really criticising Corbyn. The Tories need to convince people why a Tory government would be better for them, saying from the roof troops that Corbyn is evil and the anti-Christ isn’t going to get them anywhere.AlastairMeeks said:
Don't get me wrong, I'm not a Corbynite. But dedicated Conservatives seem determined to underestimate just how much damage they are doing to the country at present. So throwing up their hands in horror at the prospect of a Labour government isn't the slam dunk they think it is.Richard_Nabavi said:
I sincerely hope you don't have to find out the hard way.AlastairMeeks said:
I'm struggling to see how Labour's policies could be more malign than Brexit.Richard_Nabavi said:
Exactly right. And we're not talking about a reasonably sensible potential Labour Chancellor along the lines of Alastair Darling or Ed Balls, who might spend more than is wise but who are not totally out with the fairies. We are talking about Jeremy Corbyn and John McDonnell, egged on by Seamas Milne and Jon Lansman. That is another league of destructiveness altogether.DavidL said:[snip]
Those who think that Labour could not do very serious damage to our economy, our public services and our standard of living in a short time are underestimating the underlying weaknesses in our economy to a dangerous extent.0 -
Come on over. The water's lovely.0
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ITV Wales reporting tonight that Tony Rucinski former Wales CHC chief executive has sensationally claimed the Wales NHS and Government of nepotism and entitlement as he was gagged on whistle blowing by the Wales Health Minister who said he had to be kept out of the media.
The chaos that is the Wales NHS is in the news daily and labour have no answers
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You do not need to apologise for expressing your views. While I do not agree with them generally they do contribute to the debateTheJezziah said:Yes good talking with you too Topping I should go too, thanks for debating all and apologies for talking too much!
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Steve Richard's "Cameron Years" on Radio 4 is fascinating listening.0
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I'm quite aware of the negative economic consequences - they were discussed and analysed at length in the pre-EUref IFS report. They simply haven't manifested themselves fully yet. The reduction in FDI will begin post-Brexit and so forth.FF43 said:
Although I agree with you on the principle, the problem is that Leavers don't think there are any consequences to their vote. That's Project Fear. Anything bad that happens has nothing to do with them so it must be the Tory government's fault. OTOH Remainers expect Brexit to be bad and a perfectly willing to blame the Tories for it. The tricky act the government needs to carry off is to ensure as little change with Brexit as possible while pretending everything is completely different. I am not sure they are clever enough to do it and the EU won't necessarily co-operate.Richard_Nabavi said:
Any damage done to the economy will be as a result of the referendum result. It's damage which voters wanted, mistakenly in my view, but there we go. It would be catastrophic to double up and add Corbynomics to the mix.AlastairMeeks said:Don't get me wrong, I'm not a Corbynite. But dedicated Conservatives seem determined to underestimate just how much damage they are doing to the country at present. So throwing up their hands in horror at the prospect of a Labour government isn't the slam dunk they think it is.
Corbyn/McDonnell want to recast the Labour Party. They can only fully do that if they get into government, which means winning over those that don't share their agenda. It's a balancing act for them too.
Both sides of the argument should probably avoid treating (and labelling) the other as some monolithic bloc; just like political parties, both Remain and Leave voters are a broad church.0 -
There were so many changes of government in the 1960s and 1970s as Labour governments kept wrecking the economy and Heath could not control the unions, Thatcher and Blair stopped that pattern, Corbyn would restore itSouthamObserver said:
The electorate seems to be inclined to give parties a pretty long run in power. if the Tories do win in 2022, they will be in office for years after Labour was in office for 13 years after the Tories were in office for 18 years. The brief period of back and forth between Labour and the Tories from 64 to 79 was the exception, not the rule.HHemmelig said:
When I was at university circa 1995, a now forgotten Major the Tories for messing up public services. When Labour do next get in, they'll be in for a fair while.SouthamObserver said:
I suspect (I'll be 64).Casino_Royale said:
more ;-)SouthamObserver said:
Corbyn will ensure the Tories have a great chance of winning next time. It's the election after that which is likely to lay them very low indeed and probably for a fair amount of time.HYUFD said:
specially IHTBig_G_NorthWales said:
The need for the new leader post Brexit is to regain the remainers, UKIP is dying and will be gone by summer 2019HYUFD said:
No it is not, as I said Boris is no more 'old guard' than Hunt and it is Tory to UKIP voters the Tories need to focus on, those who voted for Corbyn in June will almost all certainly vote for him again next time regardless of the Tory leader.Big_G_NorthWales said:
It is over for the old guard and for Boris and Davis.HYUFD said:
The biggest swing from the Tories in the polls since the general election has not been to Labour but to UKIP, Hunt is not going to win them back, Boris or Davis might.Big_G_NorthWales said:
ToHYUFD said:
She will go certainly by the end of the transition period most likely replaced by Davis or Boris with Gove also a contender if he does not back the latterStocky said:Mike says that May may like to continue to the next election but I cannot see how this would work.
She will either fight or not fight the next election. If she doesn`t fight it then she will have to step down well before the next election for a successor to establish him/herself.0 -
Hmm. I was there. Heath didn't exactly cover himself with glory. The economy really didn't start recovering in earnest until after the '81 recession - and that was probably mostly attributable to the impact of IT than Mrs Thatcher's pixie dust, much as I hate to take anything way from the blessed Margaret.HYUFD said:
There were so many changes of government in the 19y0s and 1970s as Labour governmentsSouthamObserver said:HHemmelig said:
When I was at university circa 1995, a now forgotten Major the Tories for messing up public services. When Labour do next get in, they'll be in for a fair while.SouthamObserver said:
I suspect (I'll be 64).Casino_Royale said:
more ;-)SouthamObserver said:
Corbyn will ensure the Tories have a great chance of winning next time. It's the election after that which is likely to lay them very low indeed and probably for a fair amount of time.HYUFD said:
specially IHTBig_G_NorthWales said:
The need for the new leader post Brexit is to regain the remainers, UKIP is dying and will be gone by summer 2019HYUFD said:
No it is not, as I said Boris is no more 'old guard' than Hunt and it is Tory to UKIP voters the Tories need to focus on, those who voted for Corbyn in June will almost all certainly vote for him again next time regardless of the Tory leader.Big_G_NorthWales said:
It is over for the old guard and for Boris and Davis.HYUFD said:
The biggest swing from the Tories in the polls since the general election has not been to Labour but to UKIP, Hunt is not going to win them back, Boris or Davis might.Big_G_NorthWales said:
ToHYUFD said:
She will go certainly by the end of the transition period most likely replaced by Davis or Boris with Gove also a contender if he does not back the latterStocky said:Mike says that May may like to continue to the next election but I cannot see how this would work.
She will either fight or not fight the next election. If she doesn`t fight it then she will have to step down well before the next election for a successor to establish him/herself.
kept wrecking the economy, Blair stopped that pattern, Corbyn would restore it0 -
Cleverly said he cannot understand how anyone of African heritage can support the EU. Just imagine the Tory reaction if Diane Abbott had said the same thing.The_Apocalypse said:
+1. This reminds of Cleverly actually. He seems to think the Tories issue is that they weren’t combative enough when actually the Tory Press has spent the last two years really criticising Corbyn.AlastairMeeks said:
Don't get me wrong, I'm not a Corbynite. But dedicated Conservatives seem determined to underestimate just how much damage they are doing to the country at present. So throwing up their hands in horror at the prospect of a Labour government isn't the slam dunk they think it is.Richard_Nabavi said:
I sincerely hope you don't have to find out the hard way.AlastairMeeks said:
I'm struggling to see how Labour's policies could be more malign than Brexit.Richard_Nabavi said:
Exactly right. And we're not talking about a reasonably sensible potential Labour Chancellor along the lines of Alastair Darling or Ed Balls, who might spend more than is wise but who are not totally out with the fairies. We are talking about Jeremy Corbyn and John McDonnell, egged on by Seamas Milne and Jon Lansman. That is another league of destructiveness altogether.DavidL said:[snip]
Those who think that Labour could not do very serious damage to our economy, our public services and our standard of living in a short time are underestimating the underlying weaknesses in our economy to a dangerous extent.0 -
Heath also failed to control the unions, Thatcher did. A Corbyn government would have a good chance of being so useless it would be the first one term government since Heath's and Wilson/Callaghan'sJohn_M said:
Hmm. I was there. Heath didn't exactly cover himself with glory. The economy really didn't start recovering in earnest until after the '81 recession - and that was probably mostly attributable to the impact of IT than Mrs Thatcher's pixie dust, much as I hate to take anything way from the blessed Margaret.HYUFD said:
There were so many changes of government in the 19y0s and 1970s as Labour governmentsSouthamObserver said:HHemmelig said:
When I was at university circa 1995, a now forgotten Major the Tories for messing up public services. When Labour do next get in, they'll be in for a fair while.SouthamObserver said:
I suspect (I'll be 64).Casino_Royale said:
more ;-)SouthamObserver said:
Corbyn will ensure the Tories have a great chance of winning next time. It's the election after that which is likely to lay them very low indeed and probably for a fair amount of time.HYUFD said:
specially IHTBig_G_NorthWales said:
The need for the new leader post Brexit is to regain the remainers, UKIP is dying and will be gone by summer 2019HYUFD said:
No it is not, as I said Boris is no more 'old guard' ader.Big_G_NorthWales said:
It is over for the old guard and for Boris and Davis.HYUFD said:
The biggest swing from the Tories in the polls since the general election has not been to Labour but to UKIP, Hunt is not going to win them back, Boris or Davis might.Big_G_NorthWales said:
ToHYUFD said:
She will go certainly by the end of the transition period most likely replaced by Davis or Boris with Gove also a contender if he does not back the latterStocky said:Mike says that May may like to continue to the next election but I cannot see how this would work.
She will either fight or not fight the next election. If she doesn`t fight it then she will have to step down well before the next election for a successor to establish him/herself.
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Oh yeah, I remember that comment. Tbh I find him very abrasive. The likes of Boles, Halfon understand the issues the Tories face more so than some of the other Tory MPs from the newer intakes. Halfon’s article in the Times on Young was on the money.williamglenn said:
Cleverly said he cannot understand how anyone of African heritage can support the EU. Just imagine the Tory reaction if Diane Abbott had said the same thing.The_Apocalypse said:
+1. This reminds of Cleverly actually. He seems to think the Tories issue is that they weren’t combative enough when actually the Tory Press has spent the last two years really criticising Corbyn.AlastairMeeks said:
Don't get me wrong, I'm not a Corbynite. But dedicated Conservatives seem determined to underestimate just how much damage they are doing to the country at present. So throwing up their hands in horror at the prospect of a Labour government isn't the slam dunk they think it is.Richard_Nabavi said:
I sincerely hope you don't have to find out the hard way.AlastairMeeks said:
I'm struggling to see how Labour's policies could be more malign than Brexit.Richard_Nabavi said:
Exactly right. And we're not talking about a reasonably sensible potential Labour Chancellor along the lines of Alastair Darling or Ed Balls, who might spend more than is wise but who are not totally out with the fairies. We are talking about Jeremy Corbyn and John McDonnell, egged on by Seamas Milne and Jon Lansman. That is another league of destructiveness altogether.DavidL said:[snip]
Those who think that Labour cuould not do very serious damage to our economy, our public services and our standard of living in a short time are underestimating the underlying weaknesses in our economy to a dangerous extent.0 -
Nah, you can mostly tell the plants from the rest of us weeds.RobD said:
I think you may be over-analysing it.OchEye said:Interesting, so much anti-Corbyn comment on this thread, all the old stories and themes, most of which have been already dismissed as fake previously. Why, it is almost as if some are predicting an early election and want to control the conversation as they are scared that they are going to be well and truly, humped. But, no, such a thing would never happen in this forum...
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