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In what I think is the first published political polling of 2018 the latest ORB Brexit trackers are out.
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Promoted to first amongst equals...0
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Bah, my post went on to the other thread. Gauke is Justice Secretary, good news for some punters.Scrapheap_as_was said:Promoted to first amongst equals...
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Hurrah.Tissue_Price said:
Bah, my post went on to the other thread. Gauke is Justice Secretary, good news for some punters.Scrapheap_as_was said:Promoted to first amongst equals...
The Gauke is uncorked.0 -
I am sure that we are all pleased for you.Scrapheap_as_was said:Promoted to first amongst equals...
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Any news on Chris Grayling?0
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Did a great stint as Party Chair today.Jonathan said:Any news on Chris Grayling?
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BigGNorthWales
Betsi Cadwalladr is a national disaster, but it is not the whole story.
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Hmm, moving David Gauke looks like a bad mistake to me. Of course he'll be fine as Justice Sec, but there's the rather bigger issue of the Universal Credit implementation and he should have been left to continue getting on with it.0
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Grayling to DWP?Jonathan said:Any news on Chris Grayling?
Nervous about Gauke leaving DWP - this is no time for a newcomer to make a mess of it, with Universal Credit in such a precarious state. However no question that he's got the qualifications for Justice. DWP replacement will be key now. Time for the Moggmeister?0 -
Saw yesterday’s highlights, is Erik Lamela the new Roberto Soldado?Scrapheap_as_was said:Promoted to first amongst equals...
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Said on the previous thread that Esther McVey has quite a lot of relevant experience of DWP. To take over from Gauke? Delivering Universal Credit is going to be seriously important for this government's prospects.0
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I despair. She simply isn't up to it, is she?0
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But think of my 100/1 tip on Gauke.Richard_Nabavi said:Hmm, moving David Gauke looks like a bad mistake to me. Of course he'll be fine as Justice Sec, but there's the rather bigger issue of the Universal Credit implementation and he should have been left to continue getting on with it.
This helps that immensely.0 -
Gauke is one of the few members of the cabinet that isn't shit. Wonder if DoJ has role to play in Brexit and he has to look after that.Richard_Nabavi said:Hmm, moving David Gauke looks like a bad mistake to me. Of course he'll be fine as Justice Sec, but there's the rather bigger issue of the Universal Credit implementation and he should have been left to continue getting on with it.
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I’ve come to the conclusion she’s playing the long game.JohnO said:I despair. She simply isn't up to it, is she?
Five years of a Corbyn government will usher in a 1,000 year long Tory government.0 -
Does it help it? I'd have thought it was neutral.TheScreamingEagles said:
But think of my 100/1 tip on Gauke.Richard_Nabavi said:Hmm, moving David Gauke looks like a bad mistake to me. Of course he'll be fine as Justice Sec, but there's the rather bigger issue of the Universal Credit implementation and he should have been left to continue getting on with it.
This helps that immensely.0 -
If Universal Credit turns out to be a disaster because of the inherent flaws he won’t get the blame.Richard_Nabavi said:
Does it help it? I'd have thought it was neutral.TheScreamingEagles said:
But think of my 100/1 tip on Gauke.Richard_Nabavi said:Hmm, moving David Gauke looks like a bad mistake to me. Of course he'll be fine as Justice Sec, but there's the rather bigger issue of the Universal Credit implementation and he should have been left to continue getting on with it.
This helps that immensely.0 -
FPT as more relevant here:
Where ‘we’ doesn’t mean the United Kingdom, but Great Britain. Can the Conservative and Unionist Party, propped up by the DUP, afford to do that?HYUFD said:
No it isn't, even Barnier has said we will get a Canada style FTA on goods if we leave the single market and end free movementwilliamglenn said:
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Good point.TheScreamingEagles said:
If Universal Credit turns out to be a disaster because of the inherent flaws he won’t get the blame.Richard_Nabavi said:
Does it help it? I'd have thought it was neutral.TheScreamingEagles said:
But think of my 100/1 tip on Gauke.Richard_Nabavi said:Hmm, moving David Gauke looks like a bad mistake to me. Of course he'll be fine as Justice Sec, but there's the rather bigger issue of the Universal Credit implementation and he should have been left to continue getting on with it.
This helps that immensely.0 -
Reshuffle latest:
Charlie Falconer REMAINS as lord.0 -
You're not seriously suggesting that IDS didn't think UC through properly?TheScreamingEagles said:
If Universal Credit turns out to be a disaster because of the inherent flaws he won’t get the blame.Richard_Nabavi said:
Does it help it? I'd have thought it was neutral.TheScreamingEagles said:
But think of my 100/1 tip on Gauke.Richard_Nabavi said:Hmm, moving David Gauke looks like a bad mistake to me. Of course he'll be fine as Justice Sec, but there's the rather bigger issue of the Universal Credit implementation and he should have been left to continue getting on with it.
This helps that immensely.0 -
Plus I’m assuming he’ll get a boost because of one of the first things he’ll do as Justice Secretary is order a review into The Parole Board.Richard_Nabavi said:
Good point.TheScreamingEagles said:
If Universal Credit turns out to be a disaster because of the inherent flaws he won’t get the blame.Richard_Nabavi said:
Does it help it? I'd have thought it was neutral.TheScreamingEagles said:
But think of my 100/1 tip on Gauke.Richard_Nabavi said:Hmm, moving David Gauke looks like a bad mistake to me. Of course he'll be fine as Justice Sec, but there's the rather bigger issue of the Universal Credit implementation and he should have been left to continue getting on with it.
This helps that immensely.
Easy win.0 -
Gauke is a class act. I saw him explain to a firm of senior accountants changes in tax policy once and he had a great command of his brief.Jonathan said:
Gauke is one of the few members of the cabinet that isn't shit. Wonder if DoJ has role to play in Brexit and he has to look after that.Richard_Nabavi said:Hmm, moving David Gauke looks like a bad mistake to me. Of course he'll be fine as Justice Sec, but there's the rather bigger issue of the Universal Credit implementation and he should have been left to continue getting on with it.
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ORB's results for 'we will be economically better off' are approaching crossover.
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The public floggings will be popular.TheScreamingEagles said:
Plus I’m assuming he’ll get a boost because of one of the first things he’ll do as Justice Secretary is order a review into The Parole Board.Richard_Nabavi said:
Good point.TheScreamingEagles said:
If Universal Credit turns out to be a disaster because of the inherent flaws he won’t get the blame.Richard_Nabavi said:
Does it help it? I'd have thought it was neutral.TheScreamingEagles said:
But think of my 100/1 tip on Gauke.Richard_Nabavi said:Hmm, moving David Gauke looks like a bad mistake to me. Of course he'll be fine as Justice Sec, but there's the rather bigger issue of the Universal Credit implementation and he should have been left to continue getting on with it.
This helps that immensely.
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That is sure the key metric.williamglenn said:ORB's results for 'we will be economically better off' are approaching crossover.
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Gosh, you've picked up on the in-jokes quicklyAnazina said:Reshuffle latest:
Charlie Falconer REMAINS as lord.
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One of the best ever memes on PB – admired as a lurker.Tissue_Price said:
Gosh, you've picked up on the in-jokes quicklyAnazina said:Reshuffle latest:
Charlie Falconer REMAINS as lord.
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Your party needs to make a choice of direction and get on with it. You're currently pissing around in no man's land.JohnO said:0 -
Could this "reshuffle" be Theresa May's final mistake?
If all she ends up doing is highlighting again how weak her position still is she might find the 1922 finally decide to pull the plug...0 -
FPT: ... and Tobygate is being hyped to distract from a dull reshuffle whose highlight will be some bloke we've never heard of swapping jobs with a woman we don't care about.
Is it too early to campaign for poster of the year?0 -
Well this has to go down as one of the more boring reshuffles in recent history, the Grayling confusion being the only real talking point at the moment. Does hint at PMs authority still being somewhat shaky as she can’t really dictate big moves for anyone if they want to stay put.0
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Only to Remainers.Anazina said:
That is sure the key metric.williamglenn said:ORB's results for 'we will be economically better off' are approaching crossover.
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I have just cleared out a series of emails from Brandon Lewis all marked as spam.0
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May could make a bold diversity move by appointing IDS to Work and Pensions Sec.0
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And that is our hospitalMexicanpete said:BigGNorthWales
Betsi Cadwalladr is a national disaster, but it is not the whole story.0 -
She’s probably safe until March 2019. After that who knows.GIN1138 said:Could this "reshuffle" be Theresa May's final mistake?
If all she ends up doing is highlighting again how weak her position still is she might find the 1922 finally decide to pull the plug...0 -
It were the three year long sanctions that are pretty reprehensible.DavidL said:
You're not seriously suggesting that IDS didn't think UC through properly?TheScreamingEagles said:
If Universal Credit turns out to be a disaster because of the inherent flaws he won’t get the blame.Richard_Nabavi said:
Does it help it? I'd have thought it was neutral.TheScreamingEagles said:
But think of my 100/1 tip on Gauke.Richard_Nabavi said:Hmm, moving David Gauke looks like a bad mistake to me. Of course he'll be fine as Justice Sec, but there's the rather bigger issue of the Universal Credit implementation and he should have been left to continue getting on with it.
This helps that immensely.0 -
Almost as if she is a retreadTissue_Price said:
Gosh, you've picked up on the in-jokes quicklyAnazina said:Reshuffle latest:
Charlie Falconer REMAINS as lord.
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And your party needs to regain its sanity. As Sean Fear wrote on the previous thread: this is a mediocre government but it's not doing much harm. Under its present leadership, Labour would be catastrophic. But I suspect you know that too.Jonathan said:
Your party needs to make a choice of direction and get on with it. You're currently pissing around in no man's land.JohnO said:0 -
The whole sanctions regime is a public disgrace, punishing the inept and the incompetent and creating little Hitlers with targets to meet who seem indifferent to the hardship they cause but that is not just a UC problem.TheScreamingEagles said:
It were the three year long sanctions that are pretty reprehensible.DavidL said:
You're not seriously suggesting that IDS didn't think UC through properly?TheScreamingEagles said:
If Universal Credit turns out to be a disaster because of the inherent flaws he won’t get the blame.Richard_Nabavi said:
Does it help it? I'd have thought it was neutral.TheScreamingEagles said:
But think of my 100/1 tip on Gauke.Richard_Nabavi said:Hmm, moving David Gauke looks like a bad mistake to me. Of course he'll be fine as Justice Sec, but there's the rather bigger issue of the Universal Credit implementation and he should have been left to continue getting on with it.
This helps that immensely.0 -
The position of village idiot is filled. Several times over.David_Evershed said:May could make a bold diversity move by appointing IDS to Work and Pensions Sec.
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TheScreamingEagles said:
But think of my 100/1 tip on Gauke.Richard_Nabavi said:Hmm, moving David Gauke looks like a bad mistake to me. Of course he'll be fine as Justice Sec, but there's the rather bigger issue of the Universal Credit implementation and he should have been left to continue getting on with it.
This helps that immensely.
Gauke moved sideways without trace.
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If Greening DOES get DWP as was suggested by some sources this morning it completes the narrative of ‘completely different type of reshuffle to what we thought it was going to be at this time yesterday’.El_Capitano said:
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Any minister with more than a handful of supporters can resist the PM since she would almost certainly lose any leadership election. She knows it and so does everyone else -- I suspectnumbertwelve said:Well this has to go down as one of the more boring reshuffles in recent history, the Grayling confusion being the only real talking point at the moment. Does hint at PMs authority still being somewhat shaky as she can’t really dictate big moves for anyone if they want to stay put.
even those "supporters" who urge her to axe Boris or whoever do not have Theresa May's best interests at heart.0 -
Greening would be nuts to take DWP given UC. The very definition of a poisoned chalice.
Moving her across the table hardly fits the rumour that May can't stand her blethering at Cabinet. If she's still a Cabinet minister, she can still blether.0 -
True enough, you are right. Leavers don't care about their country's economy or the wealth of its people. There is no price too high for the completion of their deranged project.RoyalBlue said:
Only to Remainers.Anazina said:
That is sure the key metric.williamglenn said:ORB's results for 'we will be economically better off' are approaching crossover.
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Surely this so far for the senior moves is largely as predicted. More changes expected in the junior ranks.0
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FPT: "Helpfully, the Mail is full of pictures of young ladies with no underwear wearing some hideous black dresses. It looks like they're all at a Convention of Widowed Tarts."
Is that you, Toby?0 -
Damian Hinds, minister of state at the department for work and pensions, has arrived at Number 10, the BBC reports.
That looks interesting..0 -
Of course, Jonathan knows that: he's a sound man and good egg.JohnO said:
And your party needs to regain its sanity. As Sean Fear wrote on the previous thread: this is a mediocre government but it's not doing much harm. Under its present leadership, Labour would be catastrophic. But I suspect you know that too.Jonathan said:
Your party needs to make a choice of direction and get on with it. You're currently pissing around in no man's land.JohnO said:
He just gets a bit enthusiastically partisan at times like this.
We all can.0 -
The irony is of course that she could have had a radical sweeping reshuffle and got away with it with no difficulty. The party as a whole is simply demanding the 'smack of firm government' (and please no sniggering at the back there). And she's flunked it yet again.0
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It's a mediocre government whose sole purpose at present is to implement Brexit, the most gratuitously harmful policy undertaken by a government in living memory.JohnO said:
And your party needs to regain its sanity. As Sean Fear wrote on the previous thread: this is a mediocre government but it's not doing much harm. Under its present leadership, Labour would be catastrophic. But I suspect you know that too.Jonathan said:
Your party needs to make a choice of direction and get on with it. You're currently pissing around in no man's land.JohnO said:0 -
Greening is a decent sort and a good SoC – she has resisted the temptation to meddle pointlessly at Education in the manner done by more narcissistic ministers such as Gove. She is a nice lady and a normal human being. No wonder the soulless dullard May dislikes her.El_Capitano said:Greening would be nuts to take DWP given UC. The very definition of a poisoned chalice.
Moving her across the table hardly fits the rumour that May can't stand her blethering at Cabinet. If she's still a Cabinet minister, she can still blether.0 -
What's his rep?Richard_Nabavi said:Damian Hinds, minister of state at the department for work and pensions, has arrived at Number 10, the BBC reports.
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David LDavidL said:
The position of village idiot is filled. Several times over.David_Evershed said:May could make a bold diversity move by appointing IDS to Work and Pensions Sec.
You are David Lidington and I claim my prize.
Congrats on Cabinet Sec posting.0 -
And one that you almost supported.AlastairMeeks said:
It's a mediocre government whose sole purpose at present is to implement Brexit, the most gratuitously harmful policy undertaken by a government in living memory.JohnO said:
And your party needs to regain its sanity. As Sean Fear wrote on the previous thread: this is a mediocre government but it's not doing much harm. Under its present leadership, Labour would be catastrophic. But I suspect you know that too.Jonathan said:
Your party needs to make a choice of direction and get on with it. You're currently pissing around in no man's land.JohnO said:0 -
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Are you a teacher?Anazina said:
Greening is a decent sort and a good SoC – she has resisted the temptation to meddle pointlessly at Education in the manner done by more narcissistic ministers such as Gove. She is a nice lady and a normal human being. No wonder the soulless dullard May dislikes her.El_Capitano said:Greening would be nuts to take DWP given UC. The very definition of a poisoned chalice.
Moving her across the table hardly fits the rumour that May can't stand her blethering at Cabinet. If she's still a Cabinet minister, she can still blether.
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Not in anything like this format. A policy inspired by malign xenophobic lies is never going to do anything but harm to the country.JohnO said:
And one that you almost supported.AlastairMeeks said:
It's a mediocre government whose sole purpose at present is to implement Brexit, the most gratuitously harmful policy undertaken by a government in living memory.JohnO said:
And your party needs to regain its sanity. As Sean Fear wrote on the previous thread: this is a mediocre government but it's not doing much harm. Under its present leadership, Labour would be catastrophic. But I suspect you know that too.Jonathan said:
Your party needs to make a choice of direction and get on with it. You're currently pissing around in no man's land.JohnO said:0 -
We have enough hyperpartisanship on this site already. We don’t need more.Anazina said:
True enough, you are right. Leavers don't care about their country's economy or the wealth of its people. There is no price too high for the completion of their deranged project.RoyalBlue said:
Only to Remainers.Anazina said:
That is sure the key metric.williamglenn said:ORB's results for 'we will be economically better off' are approaching crossover.
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Karen Bradley to Belfast.0
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I think it's impossible that anyone barring the clinically insane could support this dimwitted band of clowns and halfwits.JohnO said:
And one that you almost supported.AlastairMeeks said:
It's a mediocre government whose sole purpose at present is to implement Brexit, the most gratuitously harmful policy undertaken by a government in living memory.JohnO said:
And your party needs to regain its sanity. As Sean Fear wrote on the previous thread: this is a mediocre government but it's not doing much harm. Under its present leadership, Labour would be catastrophic. But I suspect you know that too.Jonathan said:
Your party needs to make a choice of direction and get on with it. You're currently pissing around in no man's land.JohnO said:0 -
Has the Minister for Appeasing the Tory Right and Getting Good Headlines in the Daily Mail by Pretending we are Planning for a No Deal Brexit been appointed yet?0
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Solving other parties problems is easier.Casino_Royale said:
Of course, Jonathan knows that: he's a sound man and good egg.JohnO said:
And your party needs to regain its sanity. As Sean Fear wrote on the previous thread: this is a mediocre government but it's not doing much harm. Under its present leadership, Labour would be catastrophic. But I suspect you know that too.Jonathan said:
Your party needs to make a choice of direction and get on with it. You're currently pissing around in no man's land.JohnO said:
He just gets a bit enthusiastically partisan at times like this.
We all can.
First you have decide on Boris once and for all.
Then you need to choose between an ideological party focused on Brexit - Gove
Or pragmatic managerial one nation party - Hunt or Rudd.0 -
Called it.Tissue_Price said:Karen Bradley to Belfast.
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Her job is simple... on paper at least...Tissue_Price said:Karen Bradley to Belfast.
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It's not too late to shift Liam 'Cunning' Fox to the brief.SouthamObserver said:Has the Minister for Appeasing the Tory Right and Getting Good Headlines in the Daily Mail by Pretending we are Planning for a No Deal Brexit been appointed yet?
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I would be disappointed if she left cabinet (although it’s starting to look like, given the trend today, she won’t). I’ve always thought she’s a good egg. I’m not sure she set the world alight at DfT (though we haven’t had a good transport secretary for some time) but otherwise seems to have done OK.Anazina said:
Greening is a decent sort and a good SoC – she has resisted the temptation to meddle pointlessly at Education in the manner done by more narcissistic ministers such as Gove. She is a nice lady and a normal human being. No wonder the soulless dullard May dislikes her.El_Capitano said:Greening would be nuts to take DWP given UC. The very definition of a poisoned chalice.
Moving her across the table hardly fits the rumour that May can't stand her blethering at Cabinet. If she's still a Cabinet minister, she can still blether.0 -
Is that going to be Jacob Rees-Mogg?SouthamObserver said:Has the Minister for Appeasing the Tory Right and Getting Good Headlines in the Daily Mail by Pretending we are Planning for a No Deal Brexit been appointed yet?
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I would like to say that was defamatory but I suspect the Jury would say: who?David_Evershed said:
David LDavidL said:
The position of village idiot is filled. Several times over.David_Evershed said:May could make a bold diversity move by appointing IDS to Work and Pensions Sec.
You are David Lidington and I claim my prize.
Congrats on Cabinet Sec posting.0 -
Agreed, put the cat out on your way out.RoyalBlue said:
We have enough hyperpartisanship on this site already. We don’t need more.Anazina said:
True enough, you are right. Leavers don't care about their country's economy or the wealth of its people. There is no price too high for the completion of their deranged project.RoyalBlue said:
Only to Remainers.Anazina said:
That is sure the key metric.williamglenn said:ORB's results for 'we will be economically better off' are approaching crossover.
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Nope.Casino_Royale said:
Are you a teacher?Anazina said:
Greening is a decent sort and a good SoC – she has resisted the temptation to meddle pointlessly at Education in the manner done by more narcissistic ministers such as Gove. She is a nice lady and a normal human being. No wonder the soulless dullard May dislikes her.El_Capitano said:Greening would be nuts to take DWP given UC. The very definition of a poisoned chalice.
Moving her across the table hardly fits the rumour that May can't stand her blethering at Cabinet. If she's still a Cabinet minister, she can still blether.0 -
When it is still head and shoulders better than the alternative, then the answer is a resounding yes.Anazina said:
I think it's impossible that anyone barring the clinically insane could support this dimwitted band of clowns and halfwits.JohnO said:
And one that you almost supported.AlastairMeeks said:
It's a mediocre government whose sole purpose at present is to implement Brexit, the most gratuitously harmful policy undertaken by a government in living memory.JohnO said:
And your party needs to regain its sanity. As Sean Fear wrote on the previous thread: this is a mediocre government but it's not doing much harm. Under its present leadership, Labour would be catastrophic. But I suspect you know that too.Jonathan said:
Your party needs to make a choice of direction and get on with it. You're currently pissing around in no man's land.JohnO said:0 -
Remember when I tipped Matt Hancock as a future Prime Minister.
IT IS ON
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Have we not had enough excitement for one day already? That will be tomorrow's treat.SouthamObserver said:Has the Minister for Appeasing the Tory Right and Getting Good Headlines in the Daily Mail by Pretending we are Planning for a No Deal Brexit been appointed yet?
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Yup, I'd take Theresa May as Prime Minister over Jeremy Corbyn as PM any day of the week for the next Millennium,JohnO said:
When it is still head and shoulders better than the alternative, then the answer is a resounding yes.Anazina said:
I think it's impossible that anyone barring the clinically insane could support this dimwitted band of clowns and halfwits.JohnO said:
And one that you almost supported.AlastairMeeks said:
It's a mediocre government whose sole purpose at present is to implement Brexit, the most gratuitously harmful policy undertaken by a government in living memory.JohnO said:
And your party needs to regain its sanity. As Sean Fear wrote on the previous thread: this is a mediocre government but it's not doing much harm. Under its present leadership, Labour would be catastrophic. But I suspect you know that too.Jonathan said:
Your party needs to make a choice of direction and get on with it. You're currently pissing around in no man's land.JohnO said:0 -
Sad to say that description applies to practically the whole of Parliament these days. This lot have the chance to show it because they are in power. The other lot with their various hangers on will probably get the chance to show it after 2022.Anazina said:
I think it's impossible that anyone barring the clinically insane could support this dimwitted band of clowns and halfwits.JohnO said:
And one that you almost supported.AlastairMeeks said:
It's a mediocre government whose sole purpose at present is to implement Brexit, the most gratuitously harmful policy undertaken by a government in living memory.JohnO said:
And your party needs to regain its sanity. As Sean Fear wrote on the previous thread: this is a mediocre government but it's not doing much harm. Under its present leadership, Labour would be catastrophic. But I suspect you know that too.Jonathan said:
Your party needs to make a choice of direction and get on with it. You're currently pissing around in no man's land.JohnO said:
I do not expect things to get noticeably better under the stewardship of either main party with their current leaderships.0 -
I wish I could advise you how to solve yours.Jonathan said:
Solving other parties problems is easier.Casino_Royale said:
Of course, Jonathan knows that: he's a sound man and good egg.JohnO said:
And your party needs to regain its sanity. As Sean Fear wrote on the previous thread: this is a mediocre government but it's not doing much harm. Under its present leadership, Labour would be catastrophic. But I suspect you know that too.Jonathan said:
Your party needs to make a choice of direction and get on with it. You're currently pissing around in no man's land.JohnO said:
He just gets a bit enthusiastically partisan at times like this.
We all can.
First you have decide on Boris once and for all.
Then you need to choose between an ideological party focused on Brexit - Gove
Or pragmatic managerial one nation party - Hunt or Rudd.
Sadly, I don't think I can. I don't think it's possible to reason with Leninists.0 -
I voted remain but expect to leave the EU in accordance with the democratic vote of the citizens. No one can say with any certainty the economic cost. It may just surprise on the upsideAnazina said:
True enough, you are right. Leavers don't care about their country's economy or the wealth of its people. There is no price too high for the completion of their deranged project.RoyalBlue said:
Only to Remainers.Anazina said:
That is sure the key metric.williamglenn said:ORB's results for 'we will be economically better off' are approaching crossover.
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Steve Baker according to speculation over the weekend.AlastairMeeks said:
Is that going to be Jacob Rees-Mogg?SouthamObserver said:Has the Minister for Appeasing the Tory Right and Getting Good Headlines in the Daily Mail by Pretending we are Planning for a No Deal Brexit been appointed yet?
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A cabinet full of dullards and incompetents - there only because they represent one faction or another inside the Conservative party - is inevitably causing harm. That's the consequence of not choosing the best available talent.JohnO said:
And your party needs to regain its sanity. As Sean Fear wrote on the previous thread: this is a mediocre government but it's not doing much harm. Under its present leadership, Labour would be catastrophic. But I suspect you know that too.Jonathan said:
Your party needs to make a choice of direction and get on with it. You're currently pissing around in no man's land.JohnO said:0 -
You do realise that it's not necessary to support anyone?JohnO said:
When it is still head and shoulders better than the alternative, then the answer is a resounding yes.Anazina said:
I think it's impossible that anyone barring the clinically insane could support this dimwitted band of clowns and halfwits.JohnO said:
And one that you almost supported.AlastairMeeks said:
It's a mediocre government whose sole purpose at present is to implement Brexit, the most gratuitously harmful policy undertaken by a government in living memory.JohnO said:
And your party needs to regain its sanity. As Sean Fear wrote on the previous thread: this is a mediocre government but it's not doing much harm. Under its present leadership, Labour would be catastrophic. But I suspect you know that too.Jonathan said:
Your party needs to make a choice of direction and get on with it. You're currently pissing around in no man's land.JohnO said:0 -
Macron in China:
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Wasn't he sacked from the Dept for BrexitTheScreamingEagles said:
Steve Baker according to speculation over the weekend.AlastairMeeks said:
Is that going to be Jacob Rees-Mogg?SouthamObserver said:Has the Minister for Appeasing the Tory Right and Getting Good Headlines in the Daily Mail by Pretending we are Planning for a No Deal Brexit been appointed yet?
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Will there be a new minister for digital I wonder or will he keep the brief...TheScreamingEagles said:Remember when I tipped Matt Hancock as a future Prime Minister.
IT IS ON
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And more likely it won't. Not that the Leavers will care. As long as they get blue passports and stop the 'foreigners' coming here, they will be happy enough.Big_G_NorthWales said:
I voted remain but expect to leave the EU in accordance with the democratic vote of the citizens. No one can say with any certainty the economic cost. It may just surprise on the upsideAnazina said:
True enough, you are right. Leavers don't care about their country's economy or the wealth of its people. There is no price too high for the completion of their deranged project.RoyalBlue said:
Only to Remainers.Anazina said:
That is sure the key metric.williamglenn said:ORB's results for 'we will be economically better off' are approaching crossover.
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No.David_Evershed said:
Wasn't he sacked from the Dept for BrexitTheScreamingEagles said:
Steve Baker according to speculation over the weekend.AlastairMeeks said:
Is that going to be Jacob Rees-Mogg?SouthamObserver said:Has the Minister for Appeasing the Tory Right and Getting Good Headlines in the Daily Mail by Pretending we are Planning for a No Deal Brexit been appointed yet?
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Of course you can abstain but IMHO that's a cop-out.Anazina said:
You do realise that it's not necessary to support anyone?JohnO said:
When it is still head and shoulders better than the alternative, then the answer is a resounding yes.Anazina said:
I think it's impossible that anyone barring the clinically insane could support this dimwitted band of clowns and halfwits.JohnO said:
And one that you almost supported.AlastairMeeks said:
It's a mediocre government whose sole purpose at present is to implement Brexit, the most gratuitously harmful policy undertaken by a government in living memory.JohnO said:
And your party needs to regain its sanity. As Sean Fear wrote on the previous thread: this is a mediocre government but it's not doing much harm. Under its present leadership, Labour would be catastrophic. But I suspect you know that too.Jonathan said:
Your party needs to make a choice of direction and get on with it. You're currently pissing around in no man's land.JohnO said:0 -
Big_G_NorthWales said:
I voted remain but expect to leave the EU in accordance with the democratic vote of the citizens. No one can say with any certainty the economic cost. It may just surprise on the upsideAnazina said:
True enough, you are right. Leavers don't care about their country's economy or the wealth of its people. There is no price too high for the completion of their deranged project.RoyalBlue said:
Only to Remainers.Anazina said:
That is sure the key metric.williamglenn said:ORB's results for 'we will be economically better off' are approaching crossover.
So what do you think of the Lib Dems Exit from Brexit policy?
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Oh, so we're still hitting 9.4 on the fruitloop scale.TheScreamingEagles said:
Steve Baker according to speculation over the weekend.AlastairMeeks said:
Is that going to be Jacob Rees-Mogg?SouthamObserver said:Has the Minister for Appeasing the Tory Right and Getting Good Headlines in the Daily Mail by Pretending we are Planning for a No Deal Brexit been appointed yet?
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I think we might get the conscious decoupling via an EEA light that you were looking for, with slow divergence, actually.AlastairMeeks said:
Not in anything like this format. A policy inspired by malign xenophobic lies is never going to do anything but harm to the country.JohnO said:
And one that you almost supported.AlastairMeeks said:
It's a mediocre government whose sole purpose at present is to implement Brexit, the most gratuitously harmful policy undertaken by a government in living memory.JohnO said:
And your party needs to regain its sanity. As Sean Fear wrote on the previous thread: this is a mediocre government but it's not doing much harm. Under its present leadership, Labour would be catastrophic. But I suspect you know that too.Jonathan said:
Your party needs to make a choice of direction and get on with it. You're currently pissing around in no man's land.JohnO said:
But, let's wait and see.0 -
I completely agree with your analysis Richard.Richard_Tyndall said:
Sad to say that description applies to practically the whole of Parliament these days. This lot have the chance to show it because they are in power. The other lot with their various hangers on will probably get the chance to show it after 2022.Anazina said:
I think it's impossible that anyone barring the clinically insane could support this dimwitted band of clowns and halfwits.JohnO said:
And one that you almost supported.AlastairMeeks said:
It's a mediocre government whose sole purpose at present is to implement Brexit, the most gratuitously harmful policy undertaken by a government in living memory.JohnO said:
And your party needs to regain its sanity. As Sean Fear wrote on the previous thread: this is a mediocre government but it's not doing much harm. Under its present leadership, Labour would be catastrophic. But I suspect you know that too.Jonathan said:
Your party needs to make a choice of direction and get on with it. You're currently pissing around in no man's land.JohnO said:
I do not expect things to get noticeably better under the stewardship of either main party with their current leaderships.0 -
You have just insulted at least 40% of the populationAnazina said:
I think it's impossible that anyone barring the clinically insane could support this dimwitted band of clowns and halfwits.JohnO said:
And one that you almost supported.AlastairMeeks said:
It's a mediocre government whose sole purpose at present is to implement Brexit, the most gratuitously harmful policy undertaken by a government in living memory.JohnO said:
And your party needs to regain its sanity. As Sean Fear wrote on the previous thread: this is a mediocre government but it's not doing much harm. Under its present leadership, Labour would be catastrophic. But I suspect you know that too.Jonathan said:
Your party needs to make a choice of direction and get on with it. You're currently pissing around in no man's land.JohnO said:0
